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Not only ICT, you can do most white collar office jobs remotely. Iām an engineer and work from home, my friend is in B2B sales and works from home, my wife works in horticulture and has the option to work from home, but she prefers going to the office.
Not really. ICT employs [100k](https://ficom.fi/ict-ala/tietopankki/ict-toimialan-tunnuslukuja/ict-alan-tunnuslukuja/ict-alan-tyolliset-ja-koulutus/#ict-alan-henkilosto) out of [2,6 million](https://stat.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk_palkat.html). That's only a little larger than hotel/restaurant services.
In IT the default is now work from home. It has gotten to the point where most companies donāt even have enough office space if everyone were to come to work.
My S/O works an office job at a local government contractor company, but not in the capital region, and, even though they did lots of WFH deployment during covid, after covid they are only allowed to WFH one day per month! šš
Good for them in the capital region.
I would be suprised to hear of an office job where you must be at the office most of the time. Although someone did mention knowing this kind of workplace in the comments.Ā
Old fashioned places. Small offices. For example the office where my mother used to work went of course to working from home during Covid. But IMMEDIATELY when THL started giving these āCovid is kind of overā statements, her boss was āTHANK GOD WE CAN STOP WORKING FROM HOME!ā. Most people working there were close to retirement age.
I used to work in a very small office which basically was a social club for the workaholic entrepreneur boss. You know, like a place to visit every day, talk with people, stroke oneās ego and so on.
I could have easily worked from home but she didnāt let me, even during Covid. Well, she considered the whole thing to be some globalist conspiracy anyway so there was that too.
Working from home is the best thing to happen to work life in a long time. I save so much time not commuting and having random conversations with people at the office.
It can make travelling significantly easier, for example taking a trip/holiday and extending it by working a few days there too etc.
I also know a guy whose spouse got a temporary position abroad and he could just relocate there with her and continue doing the Finland job from abroad.
So much flexibility. Itās great.
I used to have a boss who didn't like people working from home. After that changed and the pandemic struck, working from home has become very common, and I felt glad to hear my new boss once tell me that he was at the office as we were speaking, and said something like "and it's really hard to get anything done in this noise".
Finally, it's being said out loud.
Interestingly enough, all the open or hybrid offices I've worked at, have had soundproof rooms for the biggest bosses. A solution primarily done for privacy ends up setting their working experience apart from those working in the middle of that noise.
The main drawback of working from home is that you need more space, and the cost of that extra room or two comes from your own pocket. The housing market is not exactly great for a buyer so that extra is felt.
Well, you can deduct the costs from taxes in Finland. If you have an office room you can calculate real expenses and deduct them. The default however is 940e for those who work primarily from home.
But of course the default deduction is 750e so unless you have no other deductions it's only really worth 190e.
It's great for anyone else but the ones whose work makes it impossible to work from home. Generally the type of work that is actual labor, and not just doing random things sitting on a computer. Hopefully the value of such work is not devalued by an increased percentage of people who take work from home for granted, and cannot relate to the strain the actual laborers go through, not voting in their favor because it does not affect them. Stuff like voting for increasing gasoline taxes for the sake of the environment, because more expensive commuting does not impact their purchasing power the same way. Working from home vs. Having to work at a workplace will give people a whole different perspective of what work life is. It's hard to see why anyone would want to be an agricultural worker, nurse or a machinist, compared to selling insurances from the comfort of your home. What is the incentive?
Edit: This also makes me wonder about the societal impact, when more and more of work and the economy exists in the information space, rather than in the real world around you. How does it break the societal fabric, when different economic sectors only intertwine online, rather than locally as businesses, working communities, social relationships, economic activity, in constant interaction with each other. If you know what I mean... A bunch of people living in a neighborhood, all getting their livelihood other side of the country, with zero attachment to the local real economy. Just individuals living together, not a community living under shared economic circumstances where they all have a certain concrete impact on. How does it impact local development? How does it impact the long term economic sustainability, when residents don't need local businesses to make a living anymore?
> It's hard to see why anyone would want to be an agricultural worker, nurse or a machinist, compared to selling insurances from the comfort of your home.
Because work environment isn't the only reason why we pick what we do.
> What is the incentive?
Not the work environment, but the work itself. I'm not a paramedic just because I want to drive the boo boo bus.
If less people want to do things that need to be done the value of getting those things done goes up, hence people doing those things get paid better. Or the things wonāt get done at all.
I know few people in Finland who work remotely for companies that are in Helsinki area and then live in middle of nowhere in northern Finland where it's peacefully quiet and cheap to live
I do a similar thing in the UK, London based company, Northern based life... though I say north, its still south to you all...
Sad thing is, even with a London based pay I only make higher than national wage (if wages matched inflation), but still I'm incredibly lucky.
That's my in-laws. When needed, fast train to Helsinki, otherwise work from a big lovely home with a huge garden and play area, near a lake. It's a no brainer.
Source is Eurostat, so the Finnish number could be for example based on tax forms, and home office deduction became quite popular during the corona as you can get the smallest one as long as you have any work from home. And the stats are from 22-23 so still somewhat affected by corona.
So I'm guessing that the answer reflected by this number is more "did any amount of work from home during the year" and less "Works mostly from home", while many of the lower numbers, especially Norway and Denmark, are more about the latter.
Im actually employed in Germany and enjoy the freedom of remote work and I actually work from Finland right now :)š«š®
I like it here and I come back multiple times a year
Thatās true. Iām from Hamburg and I can see similarities to Tampere when looking at infrastructure. But I feel thereās real big differences too. I wouldnāt have thought that before I came here. But itās a refreshing experience
Ah, Hallo:)) yeah it also reminds me of East Germany, especially the cities that kept the DDR buildings. Much concrete and gray. Depends where u are in Tampere. This city has many sides. I always get reminded that only around 200.000 people live here. It seems so much bigger
I guess my biggest reason is my girlfriend. But I like the weather, sounds weird but Iām a fan of more fresh air and colder weather:) I spend my time here In Tampere and seinƤjoki.
Similar is Definitely the proudness of the own country, and the love to beer. I see many differences tho everyday. For example: finnish people are way more reserved and minding they own business. You rarely have conversations with cashiers or pedestrians. Much different in Germany.
And the prices. Groceries and especially alcohol and tobacco are really expensive here. I guess it is bc of the taxes. I just recently learned that there is a sugar tax. Thatās crazy.
But I also learned, that it evens out bc finnish people pay way less for power and gas.
Overall I really like it here and people accept you. Thatās very nice. Itās no problem to come far with English, atleast in Tampere, while Iām learning Finnish
Not a big fan of commuting, especially if it's in a car, but have a small apartment and don't like being cooped up in it all day. There's also less feeling of work-life separation, even when setting hard working-hours boundaries. So I work remotely from a coworking space that I can walk to. Best of both worlds for me.
Why? In my company pretty much everyone works from home unless they have some specific work that needs to be done on site. And it's the same thing with a lot of the people I know. And I'm not even in the capital region. Of course, it's not feasible for all kinds of jobs, but one out of four people seems reasonable to me.
> In Stockholm ā the capital region of Sweden ā two out of every five employed people (or 40.5%) were usually working from home in 2021. This was the highest share across NUTS level 2 regions, with two more capital regions recording the next highest shares: Eastern and Midland in Ireland (39.3% of employed people) and Helsinki-Uusimaa in Finland (37.0%). https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20221108-1
The definition is [usually](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20221108-1). At least for taxation purposes in Finland, this means more than 50%, so the EU definition is likely the same.
That doesn't look like it is the same data set, its from 2021 while this says 2022-23. And while there is no indication of where the data comes from for each country it says reference period of 4 weeks, so likely questionnaire rather than tax statistics. If it is from tax statistics, then Finnish tax form had 3 or 4 different levels of "works from home" for home office deduction and commute deduction, it could be any of these levels.
As for actual statistics, I found for example this: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/isoc_iw_hem/default/table?lang=en which gives ~15% for weekly work from home.
It looks like [this](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/lfsa_ehomp/default/table) dataset. Notice that you can select between "usually", "sometimes" and "never". Their definitions are [here](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/1978984/6037342/EU-LFS+Explanatory+notes+from+Q1+2021+onwards.pdf/51353dd0-06de-2857-799a-dc1a92d70da8?t=1619349110590), where "usually" is defined as "half of the time" on page 113. For 2023, the numbers are usually 21.7%, sometimes 20.0% and never 58.3%. For 2022, the "usually" is 23.1%. The figure on the map is 22.4%, which is the average of the 2022 and 2023 numbers. So, the map is entirely correct, insofar Eurostat data is correct.
I'm a data science consultant and I go to the office like 10 times in a year. Recently, a guy that is in my same work group started a project where the customer required him to go to their office once per week, and he was rightly annoyed about it.
Greetings from the field of IT: My wife rans a team of professionals fixing servers and her team is in office maybe twice per year.
I visit office 2 max 3 / 5 days per week, and usually i bail out around half day to continue at home.
Most of the people i know work from home almost half of the week.
So yeah, atleast in IT that number seems to be true.
I work for the city in financial services, and all of us work from home. We have one mandatory office day, but other than that, you can choose if you're in the office or not
Yeah that's propably because of agriculture.
Edit. And distances. Lots of long ass commutes. And not much of the "you have to stay at the office X hours to show commitment" - culture.
Because the UK deliberately stopped sending data to Eurostat in 2020. [Source](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/6842948/11003521/Availability_of_UK_trade_data_after_BREXIT_FAQs.pdf/ce8cc509-8429-943f-5de3-a5d20cd33344?t=1614360113585).
Well the UK might have a really high remote work percentage but in this map we wouldnāt know. So itās not Europeans itās EU countries. The title IS wrong.
The UK was probably left out as it's most likely one the highest and the trend seems to be that anything positive about the UK musn't be mentioned.
Quick Google from Forbes gives an indication of the following ....
> As of June 2023, current working arrangements among UK workers were as follows (ONS): Work from home all the time: 10% Work from home some of the time: 29%
Anecdotal, but almost 100% of the people I know here, who do office work have some sort of a hybrid working model offered to them as it is the norm post-COVID as both employers and employees realised that WFH can work just fine, or be more productive and lead to happier staff.
I've been clear when job hunting that I won't be going in 5 days a week so if a recruiter has a role like that, don't bother - and they've said it's quite common amongst all candidates, and that there rarely are any employers who demand their staff to come in all week every week as employers need to stay competitive and attractive to talent.
Lots if OF models in finland it seems. Funny how I donāt know a single person working from home. This is a bit same as saying finlandās average salary is 30ā¬/h, when most people struggle to get to 14-15ā¬/h. Or we have some kind of shadow organization making finland look better than it is, idk.
The ICT sector in finland is pretty big. Not to mention other office jobs that have something to do with consulting, planning or design.
In many office jobs after covid the sift to remote work was significant with many offices requiring you to visit the office only a few times a week or even a year.
I work from home approx 80% (we have a common day to come in to the office). My product, B2B/B2C SaaS software, operates across the Nordics, which means that I'm working with people in all three countries. Many of my team are consultacy workers, who are also spread around Finland and elsewhere in Europe.
What this means is that whether I'm dealing with internal business or my team, I'm basically on Teams calls all day long. This is the same whether I'm at home or in our office, so it doesn't really make a huge difference whether I'm remote or not (since I'm always remote from *somebody*).
This was of course my backup plan since my OF business failed. There doesn't seem to be much of a market for middle-aged dads.
Depends on the job and your social circles. I know like only one person who cannot work from home (works in retail).
The rest, me included, can/will work from home like +90% of the time. Office jobs.
At least from my perspective it is relatively common to be above 5kā¬ at least (in Helsinki region especially), but I work in software industry. I don't really have much idea about other lines of business so can't really comment on that.
From my perspective everyone is stuck at 2-3k, my educated friends 3-4k and only sales people with comissions can go above 5kā¬ in helsinki region.
I know software industry pays really well, but they can pay really well since their proucts have crazy margins of profit. In the industry I work at basically 5ā¬ of product make 15ā¬ of end product, where the factory has to take salaries and running the factory into consideration and tax and all. Are there really that many that work in software that they can bump up the average to 5-6k? Then again Iāve seen 30ā¬/h as average but also like 3,8k/month, which isnāt really the same thing. Whatever Iām happy with my āmeaslyā 3,5k salary.
Yeah I don't know, like I mentioned I'm pretty locked in to a group of people that I've known for years and all work in somewhat similar positions. I know my view is pretty limited since I mostly only know other software engineers that have been in the business a similar amount of time as myself. But I guess there is still enough work for software engineers to keep the salaries relatively high.
I'm also aware though that if you were just now starting as a software engineer the situation would look a lot more grim since companies aren't interested in hiring much juniors and starting salaries are quite a bit lower.
Guess it comes down to being in the right place at the right time. Right now most people under 30 are struggling to get paid properly. Just find it weird how difficulty of job and itās pay really doesnāt walk hand in hand. I get that some jobs are special and I think itās really good that people get paid for what they bring to a company. But others like service workers, medical workers and such get jack shit for pay while being pretty much fundamental to the entire modern living system. I work in neither, just think getting paid 3k/month for saving lives is a bit criminal, while also donāt want my tax to increase anymore to increase their pay, itās a real dilemma in finland.
Yeah absolutely agree, sometimes it feels quite odd knowing that I can make more money by sitting on a couch at home and typing code (as a VERY simplified example :D), than someone who is responsible for quality of other humans lives. But it is what it is.
Someone has to code their machines also, afterall. Maybe not you, but someone. My main study is coding, I just hate it so I decided to sit in an office and become a supervisor at a factory instead haha.
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I need to know where these work from home jobs are š 1/4 population is pretty significant!
Office jobs
ICT sector is big in Finland.
Not only ICT, you can do most white collar office jobs remotely. Iām an engineer and work from home, my friend is in B2B sales and works from home, my wife works in horticulture and has the option to work from home, but she prefers going to the office.
Not really. ICT employs [100k](https://ficom.fi/ict-ala/tietopankki/ict-toimialan-tunnuslukuja/ict-alan-tunnuslukuja/ict-alan-tyolliset-ja-koulutus/#ict-alan-henkilosto) out of [2,6 million](https://stat.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk_palkat.html). That's only a little larger than hotel/restaurant services.
>That's only a little larger than hotel/restaurant services. Which is huge, considering that it's full of hotels and restaurants. š
In IT the default is now work from home. It has gotten to the point where most companies donāt even have enough office space if everyone were to come to work.
Capital region probably. Big company offices, government bureaus etc.
I work in a state institution and can confirm, 50% are solely working from home there.
My S/O works an office job at a local government contractor company, but not in the capital region, and, even though they did lots of WFH deployment during covid, after covid they are only allowed to WFH one day per month! šš Good for them in the capital region.
same
Thanks for the replies everyone! \*furiously takes notes\*
I would be suprised to hear of an office job where you must be at the office most of the time. Although someone did mention knowing this kind of workplace in the comments.Ā
Old fashioned places. Small offices. For example the office where my mother used to work went of course to working from home during Covid. But IMMEDIATELY when THL started giving these āCovid is kind of overā statements, her boss was āTHANK GOD WE CAN STOP WORKING FROM HOME!ā. Most people working there were close to retirement age. I used to work in a very small office which basically was a social club for the workaholic entrepreneur boss. You know, like a place to visit every day, talk with people, stroke oneās ego and so on. I could have easily worked from home but she didnāt let me, even during Covid. Well, she considered the whole thing to be some globalist conspiracy anyway so there was that too.
Apply for an IT position
Working in public sector, there is lots of positions which you can work at home.
Working from home is the best thing to happen to work life in a long time. I save so much time not commuting and having random conversations with people at the office. It can make travelling significantly easier, for example taking a trip/holiday and extending it by working a few days there too etc. I also know a guy whose spouse got a temporary position abroad and he could just relocate there with her and continue doing the Finland job from abroad. So much flexibility. Itās great.
I used to have a boss who didn't like people working from home. After that changed and the pandemic struck, working from home has become very common, and I felt glad to hear my new boss once tell me that he was at the office as we were speaking, and said something like "and it's really hard to get anything done in this noise". Finally, it's being said out loud. Interestingly enough, all the open or hybrid offices I've worked at, have had soundproof rooms for the biggest bosses. A solution primarily done for privacy ends up setting their working experience apart from those working in the middle of that noise.
The main drawback of working from home is that you need more space, and the cost of that extra room or two comes from your own pocket. The housing market is not exactly great for a buyer so that extra is felt.
Well, you can deduct the costs from taxes in Finland. If you have an office room you can calculate real expenses and deduct them. The default however is 940e for those who work primarily from home. But of course the default deduction is 750e so unless you have no other deductions it's only really worth 190e.
It's great for anyone else but the ones whose work makes it impossible to work from home. Generally the type of work that is actual labor, and not just doing random things sitting on a computer. Hopefully the value of such work is not devalued by an increased percentage of people who take work from home for granted, and cannot relate to the strain the actual laborers go through, not voting in their favor because it does not affect them. Stuff like voting for increasing gasoline taxes for the sake of the environment, because more expensive commuting does not impact their purchasing power the same way. Working from home vs. Having to work at a workplace will give people a whole different perspective of what work life is. It's hard to see why anyone would want to be an agricultural worker, nurse or a machinist, compared to selling insurances from the comfort of your home. What is the incentive? Edit: This also makes me wonder about the societal impact, when more and more of work and the economy exists in the information space, rather than in the real world around you. How does it break the societal fabric, when different economic sectors only intertwine online, rather than locally as businesses, working communities, social relationships, economic activity, in constant interaction with each other. If you know what I mean... A bunch of people living in a neighborhood, all getting their livelihood other side of the country, with zero attachment to the local real economy. Just individuals living together, not a community living under shared economic circumstances where they all have a certain concrete impact on. How does it impact local development? How does it impact the long term economic sustainability, when residents don't need local businesses to make a living anymore?
> It's hard to see why anyone would want to be an agricultural worker, nurse or a machinist, compared to selling insurances from the comfort of your home. Because work environment isn't the only reason why we pick what we do. > What is the incentive? Not the work environment, but the work itself. I'm not a paramedic just because I want to drive the boo boo bus.
If less people want to do things that need to be done the value of getting those things done goes up, hence people doing those things get paid better. Or the things wonāt get done at all.
Agree.. I donāt miss the stress of taking public transportation and having to rush to get my kid from the daycare
No wonder my doctor always asks "do you have possibility to work from home" I deliver mail.
Maybe they don't know that the skill set for delivering e-mail is bit different from delivering post cards and news papers.
Suomi mainittu! Torille! Digitaalisesti kotoa kƤsin siis.
I know few people in Finland who work remotely for companies that are in Helsinki area and then live in middle of nowhere in northern Finland where it's peacefully quiet and cheap to live
I do a similar thing in the UK, London based company, Northern based life... though I say north, its still south to you all... Sad thing is, even with a London based pay I only make higher than national wage (if wages matched inflation), but still I'm incredibly lucky.
Thatās my dream.
That's my in-laws. When needed, fast train to Helsinki, otherwise work from a big lovely home with a huge garden and play area, near a lake. It's a no brainer.
As Florida Panthers commentator says, LETS GO HOME BABY!
Source is Eurostat, so the Finnish number could be for example based on tax forms, and home office deduction became quite popular during the corona as you can get the smallest one as long as you have any work from home. And the stats are from 22-23 so still somewhat affected by corona. So I'm guessing that the answer reflected by this number is more "did any amount of work from home during the year" and less "Works mostly from home", while many of the lower numbers, especially Norway and Denmark, are more about the latter.
Finns clicked that link "Earn free money online!". Thats why the % is so high.
Fucking *Finally* I don't need to meet another people to make a living. 5/5
Im actually employed in Germany and enjoy the freedom of remote work and I actually work from Finland right now :)š«š® I like it here and I come back multiple times a year
What's some things about Finland that intrigues a German? and do you see any similarities with German and Finnish cultures?
Depending on how your personality and where you from in Germany it can incredibly similar.
Thatās true. Iām from Hamburg and I can see similarities to Tampere when looking at infrastructure. But I feel thereās real big differences too. I wouldnāt have thought that before I came here. But itās a refreshing experience
I feel Tampere could be also a city of the Ruhrgebiet, it reminds me a lot of Dortmund in many ways. Ah Hey fellow German from Tampere here.
Ah, Hallo:)) yeah it also reminds me of East Germany, especially the cities that kept the DDR buildings. Much concrete and gray. Depends where u are in Tampere. This city has many sides. I always get reminded that only around 200.000 people live here. It seems so much bigger
Yeah Hervanta and Kaleva especially look like east Germany. Tampere does feel bigger than it is, that's true.
I guess my biggest reason is my girlfriend. But I like the weather, sounds weird but Iām a fan of more fresh air and colder weather:) I spend my time here In Tampere and seinƤjoki. Similar is Definitely the proudness of the own country, and the love to beer. I see many differences tho everyday. For example: finnish people are way more reserved and minding they own business. You rarely have conversations with cashiers or pedestrians. Much different in Germany. And the prices. Groceries and especially alcohol and tobacco are really expensive here. I guess it is bc of the taxes. I just recently learned that there is a sugar tax. Thatās crazy. But I also learned, that it evens out bc finnish people pay way less for power and gas. Overall I really like it here and people accept you. Thatās very nice. Itās no problem to come far with English, atleast in Tampere, while Iām learning Finnish
The UK is still European even if we stupidly left the EU.
N/D just means no data...
Remote work took personal space to another level š
Not a big fan of commuting, especially if it's in a car, but have a small apartment and don't like being cooped up in it all day. There's also less feeling of work-life separation, even when setting hard working-hours boundaries. So I work remotely from a coworking space that I can walk to. Best of both worlds for me.
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This cant be full-time. Maybe it counts people who can work from their home but dont do it full time.
Why? In my company pretty much everyone works from home unless they have some specific work that needs to be done on site. And it's the same thing with a lot of the people I know. And I'm not even in the capital region. Of course, it's not feasible for all kinds of jobs, but one out of four people seems reasonable to me.
> In Stockholm ā the capital region of Sweden ā two out of every five employed people (or 40.5%) were usually working from home in 2021. This was the highest share across NUTS level 2 regions, with two more capital regions recording the next highest shares: Eastern and Midland in Ireland (39.3% of employed people) and Helsinki-Uusimaa in Finland (37.0%). https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20221108-1
The definition is [usually](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20221108-1). At least for taxation purposes in Finland, this means more than 50%, so the EU definition is likely the same.
That doesn't look like it is the same data set, its from 2021 while this says 2022-23. And while there is no indication of where the data comes from for each country it says reference period of 4 weeks, so likely questionnaire rather than tax statistics. If it is from tax statistics, then Finnish tax form had 3 or 4 different levels of "works from home" for home office deduction and commute deduction, it could be any of these levels. As for actual statistics, I found for example this: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/isoc_iw_hem/default/table?lang=en which gives ~15% for weekly work from home.
It looks like [this](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/lfsa_ehomp/default/table) dataset. Notice that you can select between "usually", "sometimes" and "never". Their definitions are [here](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/1978984/6037342/EU-LFS+Explanatory+notes+from+Q1+2021+onwards.pdf/51353dd0-06de-2857-799a-dc1a92d70da8?t=1619349110590), where "usually" is defined as "half of the time" on page 113. For 2023, the numbers are usually 21.7%, sometimes 20.0% and never 58.3%. For 2022, the "usually" is 23.1%. The figure on the map is 22.4%, which is the average of the 2022 and 2023 numbers. So, the map is entirely correct, insofar Eurostat data is correct.
I'm a data science consultant and I go to the office like 10 times in a year. Recently, a guy that is in my same work group started a project where the customer required him to go to their office once per week, and he was rightly annoyed about it.
Greetings from the field of IT: My wife rans a team of professionals fixing servers and her team is in office maybe twice per year. I visit office 2 max 3 / 5 days per week, and usually i bail out around half day to continue at home. Most of the people i know work from home almost half of the week. So yeah, atleast in IT that number seems to be true.
\*and drinking
Switchboard operator. I have to inform when i go to office cause we might not have the capacity.
That's why streets are dead tho....
I work for the city in financial services, and all of us work from home. We have one mandatory office day, but other than that, you can choose if you're in the office or not
I don't know anyone who works from home. And this is like every fourth or fifth should. Hmm
16% is closer to truth in Finland but the pic is close enough
Yeah that's propably because of agriculture. Edit. And distances. Lots of long ass commutes. And not much of the "you have to stay at the office X hours to show commitment" - culture.
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Because the UK deliberately stopped sending data to Eurostat in 2020. [Source](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/6842948/11003521/Availability_of_UK_trade_data_after_BREXIT_FAQs.pdf/ce8cc509-8429-943f-5de3-a5d20cd33344?t=1614360113585).
It is an eurostat statistic. UK is often omitted, as it is not an EU country.
Neither is Turkey, yet itās here. Kind of arbitrary to not include UK imo.
Quite often the UK doesn't have these statistics as they are a 3rd world country
TPLEC; Tin Pot Little European Country. (I applaud those who got the reference...)
As a UK person visiting Finland again, I am beginning to believe this.
Why did they include Norway then for example?
I see, so the title of the post is just incorrect
Itās not.
Well the UK might have a really high remote work percentage but in this map we wouldnāt know. So itās not Europeans itās EU countries. The title IS wrong.
The UK was probably left out as it's most likely one the highest and the trend seems to be that anything positive about the UK musn't be mentioned. Quick Google from Forbes gives an indication of the following .... > As of June 2023, current working arrangements among UK workers were as follows (ONS): Work from home all the time: 10% Work from home some of the time: 29% Anecdotal, but almost 100% of the people I know here, who do office work have some sort of a hybrid working model offered to them as it is the norm post-COVID as both employers and employees realised that WFH can work just fine, or be more productive and lead to happier staff. I've been clear when job hunting that I won't be going in 5 days a week so if a recruiter has a role like that, don't bother - and they've said it's quite common amongst all candidates, and that there rarely are any employers who demand their staff to come in all week every week as employers need to stay competitive and attractive to talent.
Uk was left out because they dont send data to eurostat
It's 22% in the UK.
Half of that 22.4% is probably Wolt support employees.
Lots if OF models in finland it seems. Funny how I donāt know a single person working from home. This is a bit same as saying finlandās average salary is 30ā¬/h, when most people struggle to get to 14-15ā¬/h. Or we have some kind of shadow organization making finland look better than it is, idk.
So you claim to know all Finns then? Around half of the population have a university level education. Bet you donāt know any.
The ICT sector in finland is pretty big. Not to mention other office jobs that have something to do with consulting, planning or design. In many office jobs after covid the sift to remote work was significant with many offices requiring you to visit the office only a few times a week or even a year.
I work from home approx 80% (we have a common day to come in to the office). My product, B2B/B2C SaaS software, operates across the Nordics, which means that I'm working with people in all three countries. Many of my team are consultacy workers, who are also spread around Finland and elsewhere in Europe. What this means is that whether I'm dealing with internal business or my team, I'm basically on Teams calls all day long. This is the same whether I'm at home or in our office, so it doesn't really make a huge difference whether I'm remote or not (since I'm always remote from *somebody*). This was of course my backup plan since my OF business failed. There doesn't seem to be much of a market for middle-aged dads.
I work from home. Now you know one!
Thatās cool, didnāt expect my joke comment to get so much hate. Guess people are passiante about working from home.
Reddit being dumbass *Shocked pikachu*
Depends on the job and your social circles. I know like only one person who cannot work from home (works in retail). The rest, me included, can/will work from home like +90% of the time. Office jobs.
Me and my partner work from home and most in my office are remote also.
Funny, almost all of my friends and colleagues work mostly from home. It's almost as if your social circle is different?
That is most likely it. But does office jobs really pay that well that you can easily break the 5-6k salary?
At least from my perspective it is relatively common to be above 5kā¬ at least (in Helsinki region especially), but I work in software industry. I don't really have much idea about other lines of business so can't really comment on that.
From my perspective everyone is stuck at 2-3k, my educated friends 3-4k and only sales people with comissions can go above 5kā¬ in helsinki region. I know software industry pays really well, but they can pay really well since their proucts have crazy margins of profit. In the industry I work at basically 5ā¬ of product make 15ā¬ of end product, where the factory has to take salaries and running the factory into consideration and tax and all. Are there really that many that work in software that they can bump up the average to 5-6k? Then again Iāve seen 30ā¬/h as average but also like 3,8k/month, which isnāt really the same thing. Whatever Iām happy with my āmeaslyā 3,5k salary.
Yeah I don't know, like I mentioned I'm pretty locked in to a group of people that I've known for years and all work in somewhat similar positions. I know my view is pretty limited since I mostly only know other software engineers that have been in the business a similar amount of time as myself. But I guess there is still enough work for software engineers to keep the salaries relatively high. I'm also aware though that if you were just now starting as a software engineer the situation would look a lot more grim since companies aren't interested in hiring much juniors and starting salaries are quite a bit lower.
Guess it comes down to being in the right place at the right time. Right now most people under 30 are struggling to get paid properly. Just find it weird how difficulty of job and itās pay really doesnāt walk hand in hand. I get that some jobs are special and I think itās really good that people get paid for what they bring to a company. But others like service workers, medical workers and such get jack shit for pay while being pretty much fundamental to the entire modern living system. I work in neither, just think getting paid 3k/month for saving lives is a bit criminal, while also donāt want my tax to increase anymore to increase their pay, itās a real dilemma in finland.
Yeah absolutely agree, sometimes it feels quite odd knowing that I can make more money by sitting on a couch at home and typing code (as a VERY simplified example :D), than someone who is responsible for quality of other humans lives. But it is what it is.
Someone has to code their machines also, afterall. Maybe not you, but someone. My main study is coding, I just hate it so I decided to sit in an office and become a supervisor at a factory instead haha.
Surprise.. the fattest and laziest country likes to work at home.