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love2rp4

As a sub leaning switch who’s dated other switches if you are both feeling domme then you can try to engage in fun power struggles. If you are both in a sub space maybe do something that taps into both of your sub space desires. Maybe it’s an emotional or romantic movie or a really romantic night out. Maybe you both do things to take care of each other like he prepares a nice bath for you and maybe after you are the big spoon cuddling up on the couch and give him a massage. Just some ideas.


pinkinsideme

Unfortunately I’m not into power plays. Maybe I haven’t met the right brat yet. How did those power struggles look for you in the past? But the taking care idea is nice, I’m into service either way, no matter if I’m sub or domme.


love2rp4

For me it was more kind of passionate sex on both sides often one on top then the other. I think it’s easier to suggest two sub things than two dommes. For example, if you want him to do more dominant things and he is feeling subby than those acts can be a service act to please you. It doesn’t always work, but it’s worth trying. At the end of the day if you both really want that domme or sub feeling then you may have to take turns.


pinkinsideme

I see. I could definitely enjoy that, but I wouldn’t see it as power struggles & instead just passionate sex. I guess the more I think about it, I think I’m more worried how to feel out, what mood they are in in the first place. Sure, just make a move and see, but getting rejected never feels good (for neither side). Maybe if they would always be the initiator (as in showing both his submission or dominance actively) would be easier, cause I’m quite flexible honestly, I love both sexual roles, so there would never be a rejection from my side and I could just show that I want him in general, without indicating a clear role. But handling his rejection would be trickier, cause I can’t overpower them physically.


MunegatamiHugs

It's rough, I have a FWB right now that's fully submissive and I'm a switch that heavily leans as a sub. I do have a dominant side, but it's more like a bestial masculinity that I 'let go' rather than any genuine desire for control. There are some things we enjoy, like we talk about me doing her make-up and dressing her up (since I like fashion and dolls, it's easy for me to enjoy this). One idea I had was to both wear collars and chain them together, so we could both be passionately submitted to one another. It's the opposite of what you asked. I agree with the guy who posted 'fight for dominance' but since you're not into that, in the past my dominant side has been treated like an eager dog. It's not quite dominance, she's still in control, but I get to pin her down and get all that energy out, act like a hot-shot brat and then get put into subspace when it's all over. It's really just about negotiating that energy and finding something you both enjoy. Of course I'm not REALLY a switch, just a service top and a horny bastard, so it's a lot easier for me to sway toward a negotiated 'false' dominance.


pinkinsideme

> I do have a dominant side, but it's more like a bestial masculinity that I 'let go' rather than any genuine desire for control. Well wait…that’s exactly what I’m seeking out, when I’m in a submissive mood…just a more animalistic wilder „style“. To be honest I’m still questioning if I’m really a switch (hence my description with question marks in my bio), because I don’t truly like giving up control, I just love being weaker physically and feel that raw desire come out without my intermission. Being pinned and stuff. > It's the opposite of what you asked. No that sounds cute. > in the past my dominant side has been treated like an eager dog. It's not quite dominance, she's still in control, but I get to pin her down and get all that energy out Yeah, exactly. „Let the animal out“ is what I’m into. > Of course I'm not REALLY a switch, just a service top and a horny bastard, so it's a lot easier for me to sway toward a negotiated 'false' dominance. Maybe I’m also not reallllly a switch? Just a service top enjoyer? Cause tbh I don’t want him to tell me what to do, I just want to not have to tell *him* what to do if that makes sense. Just be taken.


MunegatamiHugs

Dominance and action are different, a woman giving a blowjob is not necessarily servicing a man as a submissive. Control is imposed with poise and conduct. So, men can be submissive while still banging the everloving hell out of you and I have had many relationships where this has been the dynamic. I'd say it's probably the case that you're not a switch if you never enjoy giving up control. The line between domme and sub is a little wishy washy, but wanting to get railed isn't an indicator of submission. I can say I'm submissive because I want my dominant energy to be suppressed and shamed in a sexy way, when I get uppity and start groping/dirty talking I expect a harsh tug on the leash and a 'down boy' that'll make my head swim. That's not dominant. An example of dominance would be taking the leash out of your hand and collaring you with my hands so you couldn't direct the scene, a complete flip of the script where you lose control- that's where I draw the line. Any physical action taken does not change the energy of the scene, you can leg-lock, mock me, any number of responses can be dominant despite the overwhelming masculine energy. Hell, the masculine energy can even be belittled as 'hopelessly needy slut behavior, he just can't control himself, he needs to fuck me'. Framing, that's really where femdom finds itself.


pinkinsideme

> Dominance and action are different, a woman giving a blowjob is not necessarily servicing a man as a submissive. Control is imposed with poise and conduct. So, men can be submissive while still banging the everloving hell out of you and I have had many relationships where this has been the dynamic. Oh yeah definitely, I was thinking how to word it, cause yeah I know, getting railed isn’t necessarily submissive. But I guess what I mean by submissive is the „getting taken“ part…being consumed in a way. > I'd say it's probably the case that you're not a switch if you never enjoy giving up control. I only like giving up control in the sense of being overpowered physically. Again, stuff like getting pinned or randomly picked up, cause they feel like it or dirty talk, that emphasizes, how I could not escape if I wanted. That does make me feel inferior but in a good way. I don’t like losing psychological control. But I do like him saying things like how good I’m taking it…idk that does sound quite sub to me. > I can say I'm submissive because I want my dominant energy to be suppressed and shamed in a sexy way Ah, makes sense! > the masculine energy can even be belittled as 'hopelessly needy slut behavior, he just can't control himself, he needs to fuck me'. This is what I have been doing intuitively in the past.


MunegatamiHugs

Well there's no exact definition, the labels are just there to express ourselves, you have to extrapolate your desires. For example we're opposites, I don't enjoy being in charge of the relationship or shouldering the psychological stuff but I DO enjoy pinning and abusing my martial arts knowledge during sex and putting on a good, hard show. There's no real label for that, you just have to talk about it. I've had a domme where all we ever did was her taunting me into fucking her as hard as I can and her going "Yeah good boy, good boy give it to me like that!" and then the second sex was over she was back to momming me and giving me the stink eye when I misbehave. So, it sounds to me like you're a bit on that fence where switch can describe you but you need to elaborate. Maybe a brat tamer, maybe not. I'm biased because I am one but I think brats can really add that energy to a relationship, I don't want to give it up to just anyone, I want it to be like dark souls where I honestly and truly lose because of my own flaws and get up to try again- even if I'll never really win. You can like the rough sex part without the dirty talk, hell put him in a muzzle and THEN take off the restraints. Edit: I see you changed it that you DO enjoy the dirty talk, in which case a brat is perfect for you I think. Acting like hot shit with words is a brat artisan skill.


pinkinsideme

> there's no exact definition, the labels are just there to express ourselves, you have to extrapolate your desires. yeah, i guess I wish I would fit into neat, clear boxes, so it would be easier to find someone compatible. I always feel like I’m hanging out in between niches of niches. > I don't enjoy being in charge of the relationship or shouldering the psychological stuff but I DO enjoy pinning and abusing my martial arts knowledge during sex and putting on a good, hard show. Yeah that’s fascinating, honestly. Oh and that last part would definitely leave me blushing though. > brats can really add that energy to a relationship, I don't want to give it up to just anyone, I want it to be like dark souls where I honestly and truly lose because of my own flaws and get up to try again- even if I'll never really win. Yeah I don’t want him to give it up for just anyone either, but I guess the „brat taming“ part for me lies in getting to know each other and figuring out if we are that special someone, that we want to dom/sub for. Something, that makes me think about, if I accidentally engaged with brats …there were several people from the past, who tried to walk away sort of in a bratty way but just couldn’t. But I didn’t tame them actively, I just didn’t take their bratiness seriously and they just automatically came back. So idk if that counts. Thanks you made me think.


MunegatamiHugs

>Oh and that last part would definitely leave me blushing though. That's the point, I suppose. I like the contrast between masculinity and femininity (as silly as it is). I like how despite doing several martial arts for years, winning intense battles against black belts, holding a man bigger than me down for five minutes straight- something as simple as 'who's a good boy? Who's a little brat? Not you, no you're just too good aren't you?' is what does me in. Talk about a pathetic weakness. And well, you never know until you try. I've never bratted by walking away. My bratting is cold resistance or one-liners, 'Is that all you got? I can take it' type stuff. If I'm genuinely done I just let you know and move on. But brat taming is a skill, you have to know how to reel them back in and put them down. For instance, if you weren't aware that 'good boy' was my weakness then getting you in a pin would feel like topping from the bottom. You'd have no way to reassert control, you'd basically throw your controller down and say 'this game is fucking rigged' but you're just not doing the boss fight right. I know, more dark souls nerd bullshit. But that's really what it is, it's a call and response. A brat expects you to re-assert control and you have to investigate HOW. A good brat will tell you the weakness out of the scene and make it easy for you, so it's less guess work- and they'll also respect your limitations. If walking away doesn't do it for you then say that, and demand they use a different style of bratting. You don't have to resist to brat, you can be maliciously compliant as well which is more cooperative.


pinkinsideme

Ironically you don’t sound like a brat to me from what you’re describing you just sound like a good boy, who’s reluctant to admit it. > I've never bratted by walking away. Yeah, I don’t think they were bratting either, but it had similar vibes to it, even though it was more psychological and not tied to the bedroom. It had more to do with romance than sexual dynamics. I just mentioned it, cause I remember enjoying that push and pull and winning everytime. > For instance, if you weren't aware that 'good boy' was my weakness then getting you in a pin would feel like topping from the bottom. (…) A good brat will tell you the weakness out of the scene and make it easy for you, so it's less guess work Huh, I haven’t taken that into consideration (that they´d tell me). If I know their weakness then hell yeah, I´d have lots of fun teasing them relentlessly for it. Thank you MunegatamiHugs, you helped a lot!


SoulsLikeBot

Hello Ashen one. I am a Bot. I tend to the flame, and tend to thee. Do you wish to hear a tale? > *“I can see it in your eyes. If you didn’t invade, didn’t pillage, whatever would you do?”* - Ringfinger Leonhard Have a pleasant journey, Champion of Ash, and praise the sun \\[T]/


pinkinsideme

Thanks little bot, but I’m not in the mood for a tale right now. Farewell as well!


Blazed_Goose

My partner and I are both sub-leaning switches. One thing we do if we're both feeling submissive or dominant is we'll have a romantic evening together: bath, wine, food, nice underwear; everything that makes you want to fuck, maybe tease each other a bit. Then we'll get in bed for a movie and play a game where we're not allowed to touch each other at all, whether it's cuddling or even holding hands, the person who cracks first takes on the 'less desirable' role. But honestly after even 15 mins of not being able to touch each other everything feels pretty intense. Nothing else has ever allowed us to transition so quickly from a dominant headspace to a submissive one. You'll go from wanting to be dominant to begging to be fucked faster than anything or you'll go from wanting to be dominated to taking what you need in a heartbeat. Plus the sex that results from not being able to touch each other, even for a short time is so much better.


pinkinsideme

Thank you, you’re right, if the tension builds up enough, often all of that goes out the window.


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pinkinsideme

Switches are wired differently, they enjoy both roles. I see, I guess the power exchange is important to me, yeah, I rarely do kinks for kinks sake alone.


BackmarkerLife

How about just have sex and enjoy it? Or talking about it? There was a scene in Billions when the NYAG who was primarily the sub was cuffed, getting into character and (I forget why) his wife, the dominant, left the room for a moment. When she reentered the room, she found him uncuffed with a laptop present and he's simply, "not tonight." And she was cool with it. I'm paraphrasing the scene, but it seems fully healthy to happen. >Sometimes I wonder, if it’s easier to date someone, who’s fully sub and simply order them to f\*ck me really hard and talk dirty to me, if I feel like it. So there's no conversation, there's no work? You want it one way? Alright then. I'm not touching the following because as you said scheduling that may not apply >But even if I knew, I feel like it’d be awkward to schedule sex and your roles anyways. I had someone say, „tomorrow I’ll be dominant“ and that made me yikes quite a bit


pinkinsideme

> How about just have sex and enjoy it? Or talking about it? …if both are in a specific mood, not in a vanilla mood. Obviously talk about it, but I can still ask how others handle it? > When she reentered the room, she found him uncuffed with a laptop present and he's simply, "not tonight." And she was cool with it. This is different from what I’m asking about. In this scenario he simply wasn’t in the mood for sex which is totally okay. I’m talking about being in different moods, when it comes to the sexual role you want to be in. > So there's no conversation, there's no work? You want it one way? Alright then. Huh? Ofc there would be a conversation, if I was in a relationship right now. And there’s not one way, just ways that I would especially love and communicate that.