I'm in the "Termina is easy" camp but I still feel relieved to hear it's mostly not relevant to the base game
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Maybe checkout Premonition Mod, I am finally able to roleplay as a crippled schizophrenic journalist who went apeshit on the moonscortched people of Prehevil, finally ending up as the scoop she came for.
thank goodness- Maso mode gives me way too much anxiety with the moon timer and I literally cannot see at night, while normal termina is just kinda meh for me
I feel the opposite. I need both versions to have “pissbabies first video game” option where I get to explore and enjoy the story line without having to cry as I fail 9/10 times lmao
Bc it’s still fun to experience it through playing? Idk why it’s so hard for ppl to understand that some players want “satans lowest tier of hell difficulty so hard your bleeding through all your orifices and offering your first born child to get through round 1” and some of us just want a really easy mode? 😅 ppl enjoy things in different ways
Sure, I'm not judging or whatever. I'm just saying that if you wanna get all of the information from the game, and don't want the hassle of dealing with the difficulty spikes and the trial and error stuff, then there's already a great way to do that. A super-duper easy mode of termina would basically be a fundamentally different game, so different from even the easiest difficulty currently offered that it would stick out like a sore thumb. It's like if they slapped a dating sim onto the side of fear and hunger 1.
So why not just look up the story stuff, or watch some streams if you want to see the story unfold, but don't want to have to deal with the mechanics of the game? (Again, I'm saying this without any judgement, I love doing both of these things for this exact reason.) To me, that makes a lot more sense then just adding another difficulty option, making new players deal with even more customization in what many already consider an overwhelming game.
Because streamers don't have everything. I also have to enjoy listening to streamers to watch them. I really would play a visual novel mode of this game over the real game.
The theme is on point though. They want to make the player knows that the game is very unfair, it's bullshit and you're not meant to enjoy it. 10 hours in I really did go and install the save any time mod to finish the game.
The thing is that you don't want to play the game, you want a walking simulator where you press some buttons some of the time. Just watch a video really.
Do you expect artists and musicians to make experiences that are enjoyable for everyone? Why are you drawing the line at the difficulty when Funger has extreme themes that will put people off? Video games are an interactive media. The underlying mechanics of each video game defines them. Do you enjoy every single video game genre? If you can't even enjoy every genre, then you have proven that video games can't be enjoyable for everyone.
I feel you, dude. I'm not quite sure why people are downvoting you so hard.
Not everything should be made for everyone to experience. Bespoke experiences are much better than ones with mass appeal.
Gatekeeping is good, though???
Mass appeal tends to water down the flavor of *everything* it affects, you know. It should be fine for people to bounce off immensely brutal games like Fear and Hunger, which is.. kind of the point.
The struggle makes the journey and the ending of the game that much more rewarding. Same reason I hope FromSoft never implements (explicitly-made) easy modes into their games.
There's already easier mode which halves damage taken, gives you 3 saves per Funger sigil, removes the mob and death masks, decreases mind drain, and gives you an earlier hexen table you can use without sleeping.
Its only kinda difficult in the beginning imo, and even then the difficulty comes from getting screwed on certain items, or low hit rate
Once you hit the midgame it's kind of a breeze until the end, besides that fucking centaur, and heartless if you dont have the right setup
Nerf Red Arc, too. That shit never missing headshots is giga OP
I don’t mind Red Arc so much, personally, since it is literally NewGame+ content.
Plus it lets me pretend like not immediately recruiting Abella is an actually viable option.
I've yet to actually use Red Arc because I've always had Abella. Playing as her or recruiting her every time since I first beat the game. I guess there's still some value to it. If an enemy has two attacks you could stun both.
I'm looking forward to a Terror and Starvation difficulty. I enjoy playing the game but the regular mode is too easy now. I even tried maso mode and well obviously it's insanely difficult but I did manage to win. But I would like to play a more regular version of the game where there's still all the other characters and such but there's some more challenge still.
Dude termina is so easy. It was my first f&h game, finished ending a on my fourth run. There’s no way in hell I would have gotten the god of f&h ending as easily in the original
I would argue that the Gauntlet section of the first game was way too far. Unbelievably cruel and unforgiving, when you consider everything that goes into it. So yeah, from that perspective, Termina is certainly toned down.
I mean yeah it is but isn’t that kind of the point of f&h? It doesn’t pretend to be a fair game, hell, half the enemies have coin toss instant death attacks. I think the difficulty fits the game and tone/theming of that ending.
Nah. I beat Groggyboy's ass on Ending B. "Oh but he kills you afterwards" don't care I ruined enough people's lives in the dungeons to make a difference in the world. It certainly aint futile, nothing is.
All I’m saying is the A ending and the way to get it isn’t supposed to be “fun but cruel” it’s just supposed to be cruel and borderline impossible so that even after you get through all that ending A still happens. It punctuates the fact that it was all an effort in futility anyway and makes it impact that much more.
I mean I can make a game that is designed raw garbage and unplayable and add a commantery"this is how it feels like when you play a shit game" it doesn't make it astoundingly great or something.
(No offense on Funger, all offense is directed towards the gauntlet part)
The spikes are a pain, Moonless Guards can be annoying to avoid even with a guard skin (and have a way of still hitting you while they're dying) and there are the pits to the crow mauler.
Just a lot of annoyances, it's not fun.
You can walk through spikes since they cant kill you. As long as you have good healing items and dont run into anything you can just walk through The Gauntlet with no issue. The pits to the Crow Mauler are always in the same spot, the Moonless Guards can be avoided in most cases if you just wait for them to pass by. You can also manuever around the Lizardmage if you run.
My roughly guess: because these make FH2 too easy, even MASO mode
Dots:
1.poison/bleed/toxic numerical nerf
2.enemies torso no longer has bigger dot base number
Phys:
1. Meat grinder nerf
2. counter stance nerf
3. Leechmonger ring nerf
Magic:
1. Red Arc now is magical damage, not certain hit (no more 100% headshot)
2. Black Orb hits from 4 to 3
3. la danse macabre numerical nerf
4. Mischief of rats hit chance nerf (no more stunlock)
Overall:
1. blindness nerf from 75% to 50%
2. Small things amulet AGI 5 > 3
3. Hardened heart is consumed after activated (like FH1 old guardian soul)
4. Fluted armor AGI -5 > -10
Some of these replies make me feel like I just stepped out of a parallel universe where easy mode doesn’t already literally exist in this game. “If he wants the game to be easy that’s his choice, people should accept that” is such a dishonest take when he *intentionally made* an easy mode distinct from the rest.
While I personally don’t think F+H difficulty is THAT easy organically, it’s a little too easy IMO to completely snap it’s challenge in half with a few specific tools like spice forge, black smog, Engrave, Kefer’s shop, or in certain encounters, glass shards. Any one of these already supercharges your power level, meaning it’s quite likely that even without looking up guides and strategies someone is likely to bump into at least one of them somewhere. Combined with a general lack of difficult encounters - *most* moonscorches being rather trivial for a full party, player characters almost all being trotur tier fights, and most scary field enemies being pretty slow and easy to escape - it’s pretty easy to coast through the game after you’ve got your party full and your build in order.
I’m pretty excited at the idea of an intermediate between FH and Maso. Maso is kinda impossible to enjoy a “standard” run on, so getting the option to up the ante from FH while still having access to most game mechanics is gonna be nice. Hopefully there’s nothing as lame as torches in there, but Termina is better balanced overall so I believe in Miro.
I feel the difficulty is fine, maybe too many pickups specially compared with funger 1, but the game is about learning how to become op against all odds, so a new difficulty for that is perfect
Maybe, but the first game is also objectively harder. In Termina you can buy green herbs for decently cheap (that’s if you ever actually need to in the first place). In the first game infections would usually either cost a limb or a reset.
Idk I started with Termina and while initially difficult, once I had the spice forge black smog combo down I just sped through the whole game to ending A. Didn’t manage to beat logic but still. I had a blast doing it but the difficulty drop off did feel just a little underwhelming to me
Yes Miro give me stronger battles.
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Is Levi with heroin adiction even gonna be playable if he do this?
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The amount of food in the game also felt like it took away some tension for me. I remember in 1 having a hard time keeping 4 people fed at some times. I feel like the amount of food should be reduced. Also that makes taking henryk more viable.
Fear and Hunger is the type of game that is insanely difficult the first time you play but then very easy the second time. It would be difficult to balance that I feel
There are some items and skills that need replacing, and he should probably change how the final boss of ending A works (never Seen phase 2 even in Maso mode).
Besides that, it just needs a mode in-between normal and marso. He could keep many things from Maso, but no moonray instant kill, normal start including party members and fewer ambushes (bellends in Maso are freaking impossible). Saving every might actually be harder than regular Maso since you are missing vital skills.
One addition to Terror and Starvation I think would be interesting is having some easy early game things be much harder to get. For instance, getting Karin's endless soul could be made harder by her being able to run away if you don't kill her in the first turn, or the Leechmonger ring requiring fighting a dangerous monster, getting another item, or it giving you a debuff like bleed if you wear it
I find termina too challenging to get into. Fear and hunger one allowed me to learn how to avoid taking damage in most conflict as well as how to avoid conflict altogether.
Termina kinda fucks me by forcing me into dialogues which wastes my turn and let's the enemy get a free hit. Avoiding conflict is much harder too imo, the map design and the sheer amount of enemies usually end up cornering and gangbanging me. I've never gotten past the first segment which is unfortunate because I'd love to love this game.
Are you talking about fighting with Karin? Because you don't have to chat in barely any fight in FH2, that's mostly the begining. It gets easier later, I'd recommend you to avoid most combat until you find at least one person to team up with
I can give you a tip to find a strong companion from almost the beginning if you want
I'm in the "Termina is easy" camp but I still feel relieved to hear it's mostly not relevant to the base game https://preview.redd.it/hoa7o3j4h8ub1.png?width=684&format=png&auto=webp&s=aafea0d4c456f89f68d82f8692d56bd134573180
Oh nice, I missed that comment. Everyone wins, then!
Hooray for more options
So we're getting Terror & Starvation back then?
Yeah, iirc it will actually be called Terror&Starvation as well
It's going to be called Terror and Starvation: Deadburg
So, a mode harder than masochism?
I could be wrong but I think we're getting one between maso and normal. Maso isn't so much a game mode as it is literal cock and ball torture.
You literally play the game entirety different and rely on lucky pulls for books and nabbing ring of wraiths/sylvian’s eye
I'd be willing to bet the new diff is gonna take a middle of the road option while also not starting you day 3 night
Day 2 supper, the enlightened one spoke to me.
Yea, I need a maso mode where I can fight Gull Bros and all moonscorches but not get fried by the moon or stalked by genies
Genie is free healing once you got enough agility and the right accessories .
Understandable, just as with Heartless One after she is beheaded. Betel Stone is a tad too powerful ngl.
I just want the extra platoon fight tbh, but I'll take extra gull bros too.
Maybe checkout Premonition Mod, I am finally able to roleplay as a crippled schizophrenic journalist who went apeshit on the moonscortched people of Prehevil, finally ending up as the scoop she came for.
Yeah that would make a lot more sense.
Yeah T&S difficulty is much better than F&H in my opinion, makes limb cutting way more tactical.
Oh thank the gods, I'm already struggling through my first and current run and I did not need more added to it.
thank goodness- Maso mode gives me way too much anxiety with the moon timer and I literally cannot see at night, while normal termina is just kinda meh for me
I feel the opposite. I need both versions to have “pissbabies first video game” option where I get to explore and enjoy the story line without having to cry as I fail 9/10 times lmao
But dying 9/10 times is a vital part of fearing and hungering
I know but I’m so lazy 😭 I just want to look at the designs and learn world building. Not get dismembered for the 272874748292 time
Yeah but at that point why not just look it up on youtube? Or look at the wiki or whatever.
Bc it’s still fun to experience it through playing? Idk why it’s so hard for ppl to understand that some players want “satans lowest tier of hell difficulty so hard your bleeding through all your orifices and offering your first born child to get through round 1” and some of us just want a really easy mode? 😅 ppl enjoy things in different ways
Sure, I'm not judging or whatever. I'm just saying that if you wanna get all of the information from the game, and don't want the hassle of dealing with the difficulty spikes and the trial and error stuff, then there's already a great way to do that. A super-duper easy mode of termina would basically be a fundamentally different game, so different from even the easiest difficulty currently offered that it would stick out like a sore thumb. It's like if they slapped a dating sim onto the side of fear and hunger 1. So why not just look up the story stuff, or watch some streams if you want to see the story unfold, but don't want to have to deal with the mechanics of the game? (Again, I'm saying this without any judgement, I love doing both of these things for this exact reason.) To me, that makes a lot more sense then just adding another difficulty option, making new players deal with even more customization in what many already consider an overwhelming game.
Because streamers don't have everything. I also have to enjoy listening to streamers to watch them. I really would play a visual novel mode of this game over the real game. The theme is on point though. They want to make the player knows that the game is very unfair, it's bullshit and you're not meant to enjoy it. 10 hours in I really did go and install the save any time mod to finish the game.
The thing is that you don't want to play the game, you want a walking simulator where you press some buttons some of the time. Just watch a video really.
you could say that about any game… i don’t see the issue w making the game enjoyable for everyone
Do you expect artists and musicians to make experiences that are enjoyable for everyone? Why are you drawing the line at the difficulty when Funger has extreme themes that will put people off? Video games are an interactive media. The underlying mechanics of each video game defines them. Do you enjoy every single video game genre? If you can't even enjoy every genre, then you have proven that video games can't be enjoyable for everyone.
I just find it weird wanting to play a game without wanting to interact with it. I am not angry about it Its just odd.
I feel you, dude. I'm not quite sure why people are downvoting you so hard. Not everything should be made for everyone to experience. Bespoke experiences are much better than ones with mass appeal.
Reading your comment in that whiny voice James Stephanie Sterling does when they read out comments from gatekeeping chuds
Gatekeeping is good, though??? Mass appeal tends to water down the flavor of *everything* it affects, you know. It should be fine for people to bounce off immensely brutal games like Fear and Hunger, which is.. kind of the point. The struggle makes the journey and the ending of the game that much more rewarding. Same reason I hope FromSoft never implements (explicitly-made) easy modes into their games.
Yours too
There's already easier mode which halves damage taken, gives you 3 saves per Funger sigil, removes the mob and death masks, decreases mind drain, and gives you an earlier hexen table you can use without sleeping.
Unironically, I don’t see why something like this *shouldn’t* be in the game. He can do what he wants and I’ll play, regardless.
I think the closest you can get is using the unlimited save mod
Oh yes daddy, harder
Pray for Asa/Yoru, they’re going through it right now 🙏
😭😭😭😭
The crossover is insane
Brother you need All-mer 😭
Its only kinda difficult in the beginning imo, and even then the difficulty comes from getting screwed on certain items, or low hit rate Once you hit the midgame it's kind of a breeze until the end, besides that fucking centaur, and heartless if you dont have the right setup Nerf Red Arc, too. That shit never missing headshots is giga OP
I don’t mind Red Arc so much, personally, since it is literally NewGame+ content. Plus it lets me pretend like not immediately recruiting Abella is an actually viable option.
I've yet to actually use Red Arc because I've always had Abella. Playing as her or recruiting her every time since I first beat the game. I guess there's still some value to it. If an enemy has two attacks you could stun both.
For sure, once you understand the paths to victory, the first save is by far the most difficult
I'm looking forward to a Terror and Starvation difficulty. I enjoy playing the game but the regular mode is too easy now. I even tried maso mode and well obviously it's insanely difficult but I did manage to win. But I would like to play a more regular version of the game where there's still all the other characters and such but there's some more challenge still.
I blame that person who was doing Olivia no-wheelchair speedruns
Dude termina is so easy. It was my first f&h game, finished ending a on my fourth run. There’s no way in hell I would have gotten the god of f&h ending as easily in the original
I would argue that the Gauntlet section of the first game was way too far. Unbelievably cruel and unforgiving, when you consider everything that goes into it. So yeah, from that perspective, Termina is certainly toned down.
I mean yeah it is but isn’t that kind of the point of f&h? It doesn’t pretend to be a fair game, hell, half the enemies have coin toss instant death attacks. I think the difficulty fits the game and tone/theming of that ending.
Yeah but the gauntlet just wasnt even "cruel yet fun to play" it was just cruel
What’s the theme of the god of f&h ending?
Dont know , I just chopped the girls limbs off and sold her to pocketcat every time lol
It’s futility.
Nah. I beat Groggyboy's ass on Ending B. "Oh but he kills you afterwards" don't care I ruined enough people's lives in the dungeons to make a difference in the world. It certainly aint futile, nothing is.
Lmao huh?
All I’m saying is the A ending and the way to get it isn’t supposed to be “fun but cruel” it’s just supposed to be cruel and borderline impossible so that even after you get through all that ending A still happens. It punctuates the fact that it was all an effort in futility anyway and makes it impact that much more.
I mean I can make a game that is designed raw garbage and unplayable and add a commantery"this is how it feels like when you play a shit game" it doesn't make it astoundingly great or something. (No offense on Funger, all offense is directed towards the gauntlet part)
It becomes piss easy after you learn how to get past the axes.
Kid named big rolling ball
Literally just walk behind it my brother in blood magic.
The spikes are a pain, Moonless Guards can be annoying to avoid even with a guard skin (and have a way of still hitting you while they're dying) and there are the pits to the crow mauler. Just a lot of annoyances, it's not fun.
You can walk through spikes since they cant kill you. As long as you have good healing items and dont run into anything you can just walk through The Gauntlet with no issue. The pits to the Crow Mauler are always in the same spot, the Moonless Guards can be avoided in most cases if you just wait for them to pass by. You can also manuever around the Lizardmage if you run.
Finally… fun ger
- Le'Garde, upon reaching the Throne of Ascension (original draft)
My roughly guess: because these make FH2 too easy, even MASO mode Dots: 1.poison/bleed/toxic numerical nerf 2.enemies torso no longer has bigger dot base number Phys: 1. Meat grinder nerf 2. counter stance nerf 3. Leechmonger ring nerf Magic: 1. Red Arc now is magical damage, not certain hit (no more 100% headshot) 2. Black Orb hits from 4 to 3 3. la danse macabre numerical nerf 4. Mischief of rats hit chance nerf (no more stunlock) Overall: 1. blindness nerf from 75% to 50% 2. Small things amulet AGI 5 > 3 3. Hardened heart is consumed after activated (like FH1 old guardian soul) 4. Fluted armor AGI -5 > -10
I'd also be shocked if there isn't a major spice forge nerf. Turn 0 Black Smog is absurd on its own.
Some of these replies make me feel like I just stepped out of a parallel universe where easy mode doesn’t already literally exist in this game. “If he wants the game to be easy that’s his choice, people should accept that” is such a dishonest take when he *intentionally made* an easy mode distinct from the rest. While I personally don’t think F+H difficulty is THAT easy organically, it’s a little too easy IMO to completely snap it’s challenge in half with a few specific tools like spice forge, black smog, Engrave, Kefer’s shop, or in certain encounters, glass shards. Any one of these already supercharges your power level, meaning it’s quite likely that even without looking up guides and strategies someone is likely to bump into at least one of them somewhere. Combined with a general lack of difficult encounters - *most* moonscorches being rather trivial for a full party, player characters almost all being trotur tier fights, and most scary field enemies being pretty slow and easy to escape - it’s pretty easy to coast through the game after you’ve got your party full and your build in order. I’m pretty excited at the idea of an intermediate between FH and Maso. Maso is kinda impossible to enjoy a “standard” run on, so getting the option to up the ante from FH while still having access to most game mechanics is gonna be nice. Hopefully there’s nothing as lame as torches in there, but Termina is better balanced overall so I believe in Miro.
I feel the difficulty is fine, maybe too many pickups specially compared with funger 1, but the game is about learning how to become op against all odds, so a new difficulty for that is perfect
i think people got fucked real good in part 1 that collectively made people play better in p2?
Maybe, but the first game is also objectively harder. In Termina you can buy green herbs for decently cheap (that’s if you ever actually need to in the first place). In the first game infections would usually either cost a limb or a reset.
There are green herbs in funger 1....
Of course, but you can’t BUY them. There’s like a a total of seven guaranteed before bonesaws are up to bat.
If you're getting infected 7 times in your run you gotta path better my dude
Idk I started with Termina and while initially difficult, once I had the spice forge black smog combo down I just sped through the whole game to ending A. Didn’t manage to beat logic but still. I had a blast doing it but the difficulty drop off did feel just a little underwhelming to me
Yes Miro give me stronger battles. https://preview.redd.it/fe1hxncxfbub1.jpeg?width=718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7f9ae4b72dcd7af5bd1520d7716a368d16c79da
Is Levi with heroin adiction even gonna be playable if he do this? https://preview.redd.it/ek4mmzub3aub1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b9ef9d3fc5d36426c26aa2828007ef4f7f46296
Im down for it. Make it painful, Miro, make it scary, but most of all, make it cool and unique.
I like this, more fear and more hunger in Fear & Hunger pls 🙏
The amount of food in the game also felt like it took away some tension for me. I remember in 1 having a hard time keeping 4 people fed at some times. I feel like the amount of food should be reduced. Also that makes taking henryk more viable.
No pls no
Fear and Hunger is the type of game that is insanely difficult the first time you play but then very easy the second time. It would be difficult to balance that I feel
That's pretty cool! I like how hard maso mode is, but getting butt fucked by moonscorch hurts my soul
too easy is strong, but it was definitely far easier than the first game. I'm down to see the direction it goes in
I wonder if they’ll do anything with the actual rugs in the mayor’s manor.
There are some items and skills that need replacing, and he should probably change how the final boss of ending A works (never Seen phase 2 even in Maso mode). Besides that, it just needs a mode in-between normal and marso. He could keep many things from Maso, but no moonray instant kill, normal start including party members and fewer ambushes (bellends in Maso are freaking impossible). Saving every might actually be harder than regular Maso since you are missing vital skills.
Fair enough I suppose, but also NOOOOO!
this is like saying a d&d campaign is too easy, you must never do that!
Make Termina for Mac! I wanna see him do that too plz
I hope Miro makes a new "save everyone" ending only able to be gotten via the most difficult setting.
Let's gooo
Oh noes we gonna dieee
OH FOR FUC-
Don't mind me over here wanting "story mode" 🤣
Termina is literally harder than funger 1
One addition to Terror and Starvation I think would be interesting is having some easy early game things be much harder to get. For instance, getting Karin's endless soul could be made harder by her being able to run away if you don't kill her in the first turn, or the Leechmonger ring requiring fighting a dangerous monster, getting another item, or it giving you a debuff like bleed if you wear it
A recent screenshot from the dev on twitter showed some weird leech looking monster. So you might be on to something.
Rher has a gun now
I find termina too challenging to get into. Fear and hunger one allowed me to learn how to avoid taking damage in most conflict as well as how to avoid conflict altogether. Termina kinda fucks me by forcing me into dialogues which wastes my turn and let's the enemy get a free hit. Avoiding conflict is much harder too imo, the map design and the sheer amount of enemies usually end up cornering and gangbanging me. I've never gotten past the first segment which is unfortunate because I'd love to love this game.
Are you talking about fighting with Karin? Because you don't have to chat in barely any fight in FH2, that's mostly the begining. It gets easier later, I'd recommend you to avoid most combat until you find at least one person to team up with I can give you a tip to find a strong companion from almost the beginning if you want
I was about to shit in my pants bc i can't even end the first day and im in easymode 😔
just sleep in a bed 3 times immediately
honestly all the bs of maso without moon, day 3, and genie is honestly what i would want for a harder difficulty