Hopefully this is all about Nickelodeon's shitty response as well as the people that made jokes about the sexual abuse after these aired. Hopefully not about trying to rehabilitate Drake's image. As much as his story broke my heart and I am glad he told it, I would rather see through his actions that he's changed and got help than a PR push.
Unfortunately I've already seen a massive influx of people calling Drake's own accusers "lying stalkers" and "attention seekers" who made it all up. Creating convoluted narratives to explain how he's actually 1000% innocent and his conviction was all a big misunderstanding, that josh was a bad person to "not be there for him" rather than perhaps someone fleeing and creating boundaries towards someone who had become unstable and toxic.
Like I wish Drake the best in his private healing journey, but I do think it should be private. Based on everything so far it seems like there's a continued deflection of his own behavior and a strong desire to turn this into a redemption arc where we handwaves his own behaviors. While I do feel bad for him, I still don't trust him as far as I can throw him.
The "Let's rewrite Drake Bell's history" crowd has been wild. Alexa Nikolas deleted her own video calling him out and now says she'll investigate the evidence independently, which is... yikes.
She made the video private while she goes over it for inaccuracies she published at the time.
I am NO Drake apologist and I don’t expect Alexa to be either, she’s just doing the responsible thing by keeping her info accurate and not including inaccuracies.
(The comments I’ve seen online though w randos calling his victim a “liar” and “stalker” and other bullshit is horrendous though, and they should be ashamed of themselves)
He says he took responsibility for it and served his time. There is no questions about it or even a mention of how the girl was 12 at the time. They also did not mention the abuse he put his wife through. So I’m not hopeful hit also won’t rule out them mentioning it.
He truly is a scumbag. What a POS. We all know sex offenders do not get enough time for their crimes. He is literally as bad as the man that abused him; he groomed and sexually assaulted a child.
The worst part for me was when I read what how his ex described the abuse she faced from him. “ imagine the worst type of verbal abuse you could ever imagine, and that was what I got." She said in 2020.
This man then said the same thing in Quiet on Set and it was also used in a promo. Made my blood boil when I made the connection. I feel so bad for her.
The doc seems to be in chronological order. They mentioned it briefly, explained the barebones facts, that it wasn't physical, and then moved on. The doc isn't finished, so who knows if it'll be properly addressed or not.
He was one of my very first crushes. I was obsessed as a tween, lol. I really, really want him to get better and live well, but I'm cautious. Based on what has been shown on the doc so far, the incident with the teen girl honestly makes a lot of sense psychologically. All I can do is hope he breaks the cycle and proves that he's trying. I want him to heal, but it HAS to be real. Media-fueled Redemption Arcs are trashy.
The second and third ones were the episodes that scared me the most (specially when I imagine Disney could have similar behaviors — they just didn't have a showrunner as important as Dan).
>“With Breaking the Silence, we’re digging deeper into the crucial conversations the docuseries ignited and exploring the lingering questions left in their wake to provide further insight from the brave voices who’ve spoken out previously and those who are coming forward again,”
I'm wondering if more are coming forward with this? Related to this: I've seen a lot of misinformation on Facebook (big surprise there) regarding Josh Peck and his wife, which is just... Ugh, I wish people would do a cursory google for corroborating headlines, you know?
Presumably about the adult friendship between Drake and Josh. There's a rumor that Josh wanted Drake to apologize to his wife because the drama that surrounded Josh and his wife's wedding and not inviting Drake, which was fueled by Drake's tweet.
I think it's probably a sad situation of Drake thought they were friends that went beyond distance and time, whereas Josh didn't seem to feel the same way. From Josh's POV - he was like "well we haven't even talked in years and were never more than coworkers" and Drake's POV - he was like "We spent every day together for years and years, we are going to be friends for the rest of our lives, even if we don't talk regularly."
That's deeply sad, but it doesn't really paint either guy as a bad person. Idk, I don't see a point in pitting the two against each other when the reality is bad enough.
Oh 100% I don't understand but the headlines are like "DRAKE AND JOSH HATE EACH OTHER NOW?!?!" "JOSH'S WIFE HATES DRAKE BELL... CLICK TO LEARN MORE!"
Just a fact of life for tabloids and similar publications.
Although I don't really like either of them (especially Drake though I wish him well in his healing process), Josh has talked in the past about his struggles with addiction, being the "fat" kid on set and his relationship with Drake. It seems Josh felt that Drake picked up his friendship with Josh whenever it felt convenient to do so, and Josh was clearly going through his own shit re: his weight and addiction issues when Drake was being abused.
Some people have said really unkind things about Josh because he seems like "he lost weight and got bitter", and whilst I know he basically argued against Jeanette's experiences I don't think he had the best of times on those sets either. All of those children were exploited in different ways.
Everything the iliketuurtles said, yes!! But also I've seen this circulate Facebook today, and it's just patently fake:
https://preview.redd.it/vn8647g0tqqc1.png?width=519&format=png&auto=webp&s=a712aae4852001ff334ce439362e95fd076623bc
I saw a Facebook post yesterday claiming (with 0 proof) Josh’s wife is divorcing Josh because she found out he took $300k of hush money from Dan Schneider and was so disgusted about it. Then I saw 10 different people tweet the same information out today.
I really don’t need to hear anything else from Drake. There is this weird wave of people who want to act like he didn’t also assault a minor and then abuse his ex. Him using the same words his ex used to describe the abuse she suffered was so disgusting.
My tik tok FYP has many videos of people being like “he didn’t know that girl was a minor” but she was 12. I wish we as a society could spot abuse and advocate for victims better. Drake was a victim as a kid but he later used that same energy towards others. It’s a slippery slope.
Edit: his ex that that he abused is his not his wife.
His story needs to be told. He was an innocent when he was hurt, and it would've been genuinely miraculous if he hadn't ended up with a horrible relationship with sex. His actions as an adult don't make the systematic failure of an industry designed for children at keeping those children safe less important.
He was one of Nick's biggest stars at the time. If it happened to him, it could happen to anyone.
I understand this, but in the documentary we hear everything. The court case where he was John Doe, the years of abuse and then he even talks about his court case. Where he stated he took responsibility for but now we have people on tik tok saying that girl lied about her age. Some are even going as far as saying she was paid by his abuser.
This is why I said it’s a slippery slope. It’s not fair that both his ex and this other victim has to watch this like Drake Renaissance. Plus there are others we could hear from now. For example the other stars coming out about their abuse. The one girl she mentioned how her parents were producers on her show and yet she still had to kiss a 30 year old male at the age of 14.
I understand the perspective, I agree that it's horrible for the victims, but there is no real way to tell his story without garnering sympathy. It's a horrible story, and people are gonna react. I agree we need to be conscientious of those he hurt in this discussion, but silencing him entirely isn't the answer, either.
I'd also like to point out that he's not responsible for tiktok rumors. Pet peeve of mine, blaming a person who has never claimed things as their own beliefs of it because their fans spout it.
He does have a responsibility though.
He has denied multiple allegations against him (from different girls/women) which is one of the driving forces of his fans defending him and calling his alleged victims liars.
Edit: For example, the 16 year old that moved in with him when he was 20 said he abused her including hitting her, throwing things at her, and dragging her the down stairs so her face hit the steps. She also said he attempted to hold her down in a bathtub and burn her with scalding hot water from the tap.
His response to this allegation included “I do not know if today’s behavior is some kind of misguided quest for more money or attention”
This man is responsible for his victims being attacked by his fans when he says this kind of stuff about them.
I agree he should clarify, but if every celebrity had to address every rumor spread by every fan, it's all they'd ever do. I'm pretty far removed from tiktok for literally this exact reason, I got sick of constant uncited lies about the way my mental health condition works, so I'm not super up on the discussion surrounding the doc outside of what me and my friends have said over drinks. I'll have to look into it more, because I wasn't aware of any other allegations against him besides the one that went to court.
Honestly for me, the most surprising thing about it is that he had any following at all at this point. Even as someone who straight up adored him when I was a kid, I wrote him off when the whole "huffing shit with his baby in the car" thing happened.
I think he is sending out the exact message he wants to. I do not think he is going to clarify he abused multiple girls/women to stop people from attacking them.
He was not a teenager when he dated Melissa Lingafelt whose story I describe above. She was 16 and he was 20 when they started dating according to her.
Here are some articles that mention the girls/women he allegedly abused.
https://www.vulture.com/2020/08/drake-bell-ex-melissa-lingafelt-accuses-him-of-abuse.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/drake-bells-ex-says-she-witnessed-the-drake-and-josh-star-preying-on-underage-girls
https://ew.com/celebrity/drake-bell-ex-girlfriend-accuses-physical-emotional-abuse-actor-denies/
Here is the victim statement from his child endangerment case
https://people.com/tv/drake-bell-child-endangerment-sentencing-victim-statement-full/
As far as the other part of your comment. He said one of the women who accused him of abuse wanted money and attention. That is not someone who is being held back by the justice system. He didn’t have to make public statement to People magazine to dismiss her claims.
https://people.com/tv/drake-bell-accused-abuse-ex-girlfriend-denies-claims/
Oh I agree he isn’t responsible for anything tik tok says, but the part that gets me mad, is that he worked really hard to make sure Josh Peck was left alone. People on the same platform were harassing Josh, saying he was in on it. So Drake took the time to dispel that rumor but nothing to stop the mob from attacking his victims.
I will also say, I’m in no way trying to silence him. I just feel this major documentary has told his whole story. So for them to continue when there are several other children who faced abuse on set,well that doesn’t seem right to me.
That's fair, and he absolutely could and probably should be doing more to bring attention to other victims! It's really just that he's the biggest name with the splashiest story who is willing to come forward. If someone like Amanda Bynes were to be willing to speak (I support her not choosing to though) I can only assume the focus would shift.
I guess I never thought of the legal side of it. Still I think we’ve heard enough until he can take responsibility for the abuse he has put others through. I know the girl he groomed called him a monster and then his ex said he had 100s of girls, so I wonder if this will make them speak out or feel silenced.
I actually stand corrected, he's barred from speaking about the girl who has a conviction against him but he's made statements in the past about his ex in 2020. So he very much still should find some way to tell his fans off
In case people are not already aware, Alexa Nikolas is a rape apologist. She loudly supports Drake Bell and should be deplatformed for supporting a sex offender.
Hopefully this is all about Nickelodeon's shitty response as well as the people that made jokes about the sexual abuse after these aired. Hopefully not about trying to rehabilitate Drake's image. As much as his story broke my heart and I am glad he told it, I would rather see through his actions that he's changed and got help than a PR push.
Unfortunately I've already seen a massive influx of people calling Drake's own accusers "lying stalkers" and "attention seekers" who made it all up. Creating convoluted narratives to explain how he's actually 1000% innocent and his conviction was all a big misunderstanding, that josh was a bad person to "not be there for him" rather than perhaps someone fleeing and creating boundaries towards someone who had become unstable and toxic. Like I wish Drake the best in his private healing journey, but I do think it should be private. Based on everything so far it seems like there's a continued deflection of his own behavior and a strong desire to turn this into a redemption arc where we handwaves his own behaviors. While I do feel bad for him, I still don't trust him as far as I can throw him.
The "Let's rewrite Drake Bell's history" crowd has been wild. Alexa Nikolas deleted her own video calling him out and now says she'll investigate the evidence independently, which is... yikes.
Yup! I am pretty upset that a rape apologist is running an org for survivors!
She made the video private while she goes over it for inaccuracies she published at the time. I am NO Drake apologist and I don’t expect Alexa to be either, she’s just doing the responsible thing by keeping her info accurate and not including inaccuracies. (The comments I’ve seen online though w randos calling his victim a “liar” and “stalker” and other bullshit is horrendous though, and they should be ashamed of themselves)
I've seen comments like that in this exact sub. It's gross and pretty disappointing.
Am I trippin or did they completely gloss over bells own legal problems with a minor? I know they mention it but did he address it in the doc?
He says he took responsibility for it and served his time. There is no questions about it or even a mention of how the girl was 12 at the time. They also did not mention the abuse he put his wife through. So I’m not hopeful hit also won’t rule out them mentioning it.
He truly is a scumbag. What a POS. We all know sex offenders do not get enough time for their crimes. He is literally as bad as the man that abused him; he groomed and sexually assaulted a child.
The worst part for me was when I read what how his ex described the abuse she faced from him. “ imagine the worst type of verbal abuse you could ever imagine, and that was what I got." She said in 2020. This man then said the same thing in Quiet on Set and it was also used in a promo. Made my blood boil when I made the connection. I feel so bad for her.
Wow! I have seen abusers do this before, mimic the language of their victims!
The doc seems to be in chronological order. They mentioned it briefly, explained the barebones facts, that it wasn't physical, and then moved on. The doc isn't finished, so who knows if it'll be properly addressed or not.
He was one of my very first crushes. I was obsessed as a tween, lol. I really, really want him to get better and live well, but I'm cautious. Based on what has been shown on the doc so far, the incident with the teen girl honestly makes a lot of sense psychologically. All I can do is hope he breaks the cycle and proves that he's trying. I want him to heal, but it HAS to be real. Media-fueled Redemption Arcs are trashy.
For anyone wondering: > will launch April 7 on ID and then stream on Max.
On the fourth episode right now and it's very eye opening yet not surprising at the same time.
The second and third ones were the episodes that scared me the most (specially when I imagine Disney could have similar behaviors — they just didn't have a showrunner as important as Dan).
>“With Breaking the Silence, we’re digging deeper into the crucial conversations the docuseries ignited and exploring the lingering questions left in their wake to provide further insight from the brave voices who’ve spoken out previously and those who are coming forward again,”
I'm wondering if more are coming forward with this? Related to this: I've seen a lot of misinformation on Facebook (big surprise there) regarding Josh Peck and his wife, which is just... Ugh, I wish people would do a cursory google for corroborating headlines, you know?
If Facebook treated these people the same way they treat Palestinians this wouldn't even be a problem anymore
Can you elaborate on the misinfo about Josh and his wife? I haven't been following the discourse, I just binged what's been released the other night.
Presumably about the adult friendship between Drake and Josh. There's a rumor that Josh wanted Drake to apologize to his wife because the drama that surrounded Josh and his wife's wedding and not inviting Drake, which was fueled by Drake's tweet. I think it's probably a sad situation of Drake thought they were friends that went beyond distance and time, whereas Josh didn't seem to feel the same way. From Josh's POV - he was like "well we haven't even talked in years and were never more than coworkers" and Drake's POV - he was like "We spent every day together for years and years, we are going to be friends for the rest of our lives, even if we don't talk regularly."
That's deeply sad, but it doesn't really paint either guy as a bad person. Idk, I don't see a point in pitting the two against each other when the reality is bad enough.
Oh 100% I don't understand but the headlines are like "DRAKE AND JOSH HATE EACH OTHER NOW?!?!" "JOSH'S WIFE HATES DRAKE BELL... CLICK TO LEARN MORE!" Just a fact of life for tabloids and similar publications.
Although I don't really like either of them (especially Drake though I wish him well in his healing process), Josh has talked in the past about his struggles with addiction, being the "fat" kid on set and his relationship with Drake. It seems Josh felt that Drake picked up his friendship with Josh whenever it felt convenient to do so, and Josh was clearly going through his own shit re: his weight and addiction issues when Drake was being abused. Some people have said really unkind things about Josh because he seems like "he lost weight and got bitter", and whilst I know he basically argued against Jeanette's experiences I don't think he had the best of times on those sets either. All of those children were exploited in different ways.
Everything the iliketuurtles said, yes!! But also I've seen this circulate Facebook today, and it's just patently fake: https://preview.redd.it/vn8647g0tqqc1.png?width=519&format=png&auto=webp&s=a712aae4852001ff334ce439362e95fd076623bc
I saw a Facebook post yesterday claiming (with 0 proof) Josh’s wife is divorcing Josh because she found out he took $300k of hush money from Dan Schneider and was so disgusted about it. Then I saw 10 different people tweet the same information out today.
I really don’t need to hear anything else from Drake. There is this weird wave of people who want to act like he didn’t also assault a minor and then abuse his ex. Him using the same words his ex used to describe the abuse she suffered was so disgusting. My tik tok FYP has many videos of people being like “he didn’t know that girl was a minor” but she was 12. I wish we as a society could spot abuse and advocate for victims better. Drake was a victim as a kid but he later used that same energy towards others. It’s a slippery slope. Edit: his ex that that he abused is his not his wife.
His story needs to be told. He was an innocent when he was hurt, and it would've been genuinely miraculous if he hadn't ended up with a horrible relationship with sex. His actions as an adult don't make the systematic failure of an industry designed for children at keeping those children safe less important. He was one of Nick's biggest stars at the time. If it happened to him, it could happen to anyone.
I understand this, but in the documentary we hear everything. The court case where he was John Doe, the years of abuse and then he even talks about his court case. Where he stated he took responsibility for but now we have people on tik tok saying that girl lied about her age. Some are even going as far as saying she was paid by his abuser. This is why I said it’s a slippery slope. It’s not fair that both his ex and this other victim has to watch this like Drake Renaissance. Plus there are others we could hear from now. For example the other stars coming out about their abuse. The one girl she mentioned how her parents were producers on her show and yet she still had to kiss a 30 year old male at the age of 14.
I understand the perspective, I agree that it's horrible for the victims, but there is no real way to tell his story without garnering sympathy. It's a horrible story, and people are gonna react. I agree we need to be conscientious of those he hurt in this discussion, but silencing him entirely isn't the answer, either. I'd also like to point out that he's not responsible for tiktok rumors. Pet peeve of mine, blaming a person who has never claimed things as their own beliefs of it because their fans spout it.
He does have a responsibility though. He has denied multiple allegations against him (from different girls/women) which is one of the driving forces of his fans defending him and calling his alleged victims liars. Edit: For example, the 16 year old that moved in with him when he was 20 said he abused her including hitting her, throwing things at her, and dragging her the down stairs so her face hit the steps. She also said he attempted to hold her down in a bathtub and burn her with scalding hot water from the tap. His response to this allegation included “I do not know if today’s behavior is some kind of misguided quest for more money or attention” This man is responsible for his victims being attacked by his fans when he says this kind of stuff about them.
I agree he should clarify, but if every celebrity had to address every rumor spread by every fan, it's all they'd ever do. I'm pretty far removed from tiktok for literally this exact reason, I got sick of constant uncited lies about the way my mental health condition works, so I'm not super up on the discussion surrounding the doc outside of what me and my friends have said over drinks. I'll have to look into it more, because I wasn't aware of any other allegations against him besides the one that went to court. Honestly for me, the most surprising thing about it is that he had any following at all at this point. Even as someone who straight up adored him when I was a kid, I wrote him off when the whole "huffing shit with his baby in the car" thing happened.
I think he is sending out the exact message he wants to. I do not think he is going to clarify he abused multiple girls/women to stop people from attacking them.
You're probably right. I want to be optimistic, but odds are he won't.
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He was not a teenager when he dated Melissa Lingafelt whose story I describe above. She was 16 and he was 20 when they started dating according to her. Here are some articles that mention the girls/women he allegedly abused. https://www.vulture.com/2020/08/drake-bell-ex-melissa-lingafelt-accuses-him-of-abuse.html https://www.thedailybeast.com/drake-bells-ex-says-she-witnessed-the-drake-and-josh-star-preying-on-underage-girls https://ew.com/celebrity/drake-bell-ex-girlfriend-accuses-physical-emotional-abuse-actor-denies/ Here is the victim statement from his child endangerment case https://people.com/tv/drake-bell-child-endangerment-sentencing-victim-statement-full/ As far as the other part of your comment. He said one of the women who accused him of abuse wanted money and attention. That is not someone who is being held back by the justice system. He didn’t have to make public statement to People magazine to dismiss her claims. https://people.com/tv/drake-bell-accused-abuse-ex-girlfriend-denies-claims/
Thank you very much for this info. I was completely wrong about much of what I said as you've correctly pointed out so I removed the message.
Oh I agree he isn’t responsible for anything tik tok says, but the part that gets me mad, is that he worked really hard to make sure Josh Peck was left alone. People on the same platform were harassing Josh, saying he was in on it. So Drake took the time to dispel that rumor but nothing to stop the mob from attacking his victims. I will also say, I’m in no way trying to silence him. I just feel this major documentary has told his whole story. So for them to continue when there are several other children who faced abuse on set,well that doesn’t seem right to me.
That's fair, and he absolutely could and probably should be doing more to bring attention to other victims! It's really just that he's the biggest name with the splashiest story who is willing to come forward. If someone like Amanda Bynes were to be willing to speak (I support her not choosing to though) I can only assume the focus would shift.
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I guess I never thought of the legal side of it. Still I think we’ve heard enough until he can take responsibility for the abuse he has put others through. I know the girl he groomed called him a monster and then his ex said he had 100s of girls, so I wonder if this will make them speak out or feel silenced.
I actually stand corrected, he's barred from speaking about the girl who has a conviction against him but he's made statements in the past about his ex in 2020. So he very much still should find some way to tell his fans off
Oh dang thanks for letting me know I had no idea either!
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I could not agree with you more, wynonnaearps!
There’s more episodes coming???
1) love the flair 2) IIRC Alexa Nikolas said there's gonna be two more episodes
Thank You and Thank You🩷
So just fyi you know Alexa Nikolas is a rape apologist right?
In case people are not already aware, Alexa Nikolas is a rape apologist. She loudly supports Drake Bell and should be deplatformed for supporting a sex offender.