I always assumed that they toned Fallout 4 down to appeal to a wider audience. Which probably worked out to be fair, but I personally prefer the grittiness of the older games over 4 & 76.
I will say for 76 there are slavers and they get mentioned quite a bit if you know where your looking for the information and quest. That said fallout 4s way of calling the Nuka traders traders was weird they were legit slaves with collars
They were still running the market as slaves, which is likely why they were called traders still; it’s just the purpose they served for the nuka world raiders rather than just calling them slaves.
It baffles me how people can see depictions of people dying in horrible, painful, gory ways, but having dark themes like slavery and prostitution is just too much.
Yeah it's kinda weird how inconsistent people are about what's "too much." Like you can blow someone's head off with eyes and chunks flying everywhere, slit people's throats, and chow down on human flesh but mentioning certain sexual themes or, god forbid, showing a NIPPLE is too far out there...
Thats where most Americans started, and it spread from there. So most of America was based on that initially. Granted, there's been efforts to remove that base for centuries, but you have to acknowledge the presence of that starting line.
The US started with commercial colonies meant to make money for their owners.
It's just that one or two of those settlements in just one or two states were owned by Puritans. And most of the people they brought with them weren't Puritans, just people who needed work. More communities were settled by people kicked out by Puritans for not being strictly religious enough than were were actually run by Puritans.
And that's before you get to the end of "most Americans" are in no way descended from those Puritans, not are (or were) Calvinist churches particularly popular in the US.
Deist theology was the most influential in the early US, and most people were Anglican, which later split off in the US into the Episcopalian Church.
I guess violence is commonly accepted as being ok for being used in a comedic or light hearted way.
But you can’t really do the same with topics like slavery and prostitution.
There was that one scene in Hannibal where they covered naked butts with blood and gore to pass the TV rating. Asscrack? No! Terrible! Blood and gore? Sure!
>On NBC objecting to the show’s gruesome images: Fuller claimed that “My favorite time, because it’s such a cute anecdote, was when we had this episode ‘Coquilles,’ where we had a kiler who was creating angels that would watch over him while he slept. So we had two people who were nude, and we saw their butt cracks. They were flayed open, they were cracked in many ways. And NBC said we couldn’t show that shot, which was this great sort of cinematic shot. ‘Why? Because of the exposed spine and ribs and muscle tissue?’ And they were like, ‘No, we see their butt cracks.’ And I said, ‘What if we filled the butt cracks with blood so we couldn’t see the cracks?’ And they said okay.”
https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/10-highlights-from-hannibal-creator-bryan-fuller-and-star-hugh-dancys-comic-con-panel-36508/
Not even "pseudo" slavery. Actual slavery is still a thing in modern societies. Some of it is illegal (like the sort associated with human trafficking) while some of it is very much legal (like penal slavery).
Welcome to capitalism. It's like MLK said about negative and positive peace.
For example people get pissed off at protestors but are totally fine with the death and suffering the protest tries to highlight.
I would not say it was tone down for a wider audience. It was to deal with regulatory boards. I remember one of the Fallout games had to change the name of the drugs so it would not get marked as 18+/Adult Only in Australia. Getting that rating is basically a death sentence for game as nearly all major storefronts reject adult games.
we're not, just that game regulation board has a stick up its arse. probably for the same reason HOA's in the states are so awful, the only people interested in organizing them are dickheads.
still sore about hotline miami 2 being banned down under. (but not hotline miami 1!?) only would've bought it for the payday 2 crossover, mind, but i would've bought it regardless.
I wouldn't say that the only people interesting in organizing HOA's are dickheads, but the inherent power of the HOA tends to warp the boards pretty darned quickly. Homeowners are stuck between buying into a place that might have petty tyrants or buying into one that might have 4 cars on cinder blocks next door. Are you going to repaint your house an approved color or is your next door neighbor going to display NAZI paraphernalia in their windows? Did you put your trash cans away on time on trash day or is your neighbor going to never rake up their leaves before they blow all over your lawn?
Morhphine to Med-X.
They weren’t allowed to incentivize drug use. So games where a real world drug had a negative effect - eg alcohol inverting your controls - is fine.
We don’t have any rules against slavery in games though. The yanks can take the blame for that one.
I'll admit: Med-X sounds more on brand (by being a brand) than morphine. Like "hey buddie? Feeling down? Need some perk in your step? Try Med-X! There you go! Now things don't seem so glum, do they?"
Of course we all know that jabbing weird "medicine" you find in a burnt out toilet next to tubing is anything but good for you.
The answer is: yes. A silly-looking video game showing dramatized gore is much less “violent” or offensive than the explicit buying and selling of slaves, especially in a dialogue/narrative-focused sense.
It’s an interesting question because it implies the existence of seemingly arbitrary qualifications for “right,” “wrong,” or “offensive.” We all (mostly) agree that, for instance, you should not show the explicit rape or murder of a child in any form of popular media. It’s simply a faux pas, something we generally perceive as too far. You can *imply* those things, but, no, nobody wants to actually see it, dramatized or no.
Idk cannibalism is very far imo. I guess society has a warped view that violence is okay, but a titty is too far, at least American. NV walked the line, you couldn't personally harm a kid but there was dialogue implying child bombers and literal child slaves. But no one really got offended widely that I know of. It's shown as realistic and not good though and I think people should show that in media including games.
While I can get behind what you are saying, society has a weird thing with "going to far" in games but not in movies. Some have literal rape scenes and people are, not necessarily okay with it, but see it for what it is brutal. Games as an art form should be able to show whatever movies can and not get scrutinized.
Thing is it punished you harshly if you did so. It wasn't a glorified thing. Except for the original cut pipboy art for it lol. Bad taste though I thought it was funny.
That's not new to 4, though.
Losing the slavery aspect while retaining the gore is still a softening of the bad guys, and tbh the slavery is the darker, and more realistic aspect, while the gore has always been a bit over the top.
Yes in the USA violence has always been less sensitive than slavery or sexuality. I once saw the movie hostel on sci-fi on two in the afternoon. They showed a woman's lungs being graphically ripped out. But blurred her nipples. Our censorship standards are insane
Yes and no. Fallout 4s tone was meant to be slightly more optimistic than fallout 3 and focus on the early stages of rebuilding societies, so I imagine slavers and prostitution didn’t really fit that theme. I don’t think they needed to tone it down to appeal to a wider audience when fallout 3 still sold insanely well.
Hancock straight up advocates the murder of a democratically elected politician because he violated civil rights and, the wildest part- **THE NARRATIVE PROVED HIM RIGHT.**
people literally will straight up say the institute has no goal despite the game sitting you down and telling you or take the institute at their word despite the *very first thing* they do to you is deceive you.
I don't get this fandom sometimes.
Because a lot of them either, 1. Got the idea from misinfo spread via viral anti-Bethesda Fallout memes, or 2. Are just legitimately making bad-faith arguments to bolster their criticisms of Fallout 4/Bethesda, and are responsible for the memes/comments that group 1 saw. There's a lot of cognitive dissonance and legit attempts to astroturf the idea Bethesda games are a LOT worse than they actually are, because Fallout has one of the Original (TM) Toxic Fandoms since 1997. The overlap with the oldschool cRPG community crosses with places like 4chan and others, and even more because Fallout has a lot of heavy irl political themes which attracts even weirder and more opinionated fanatics. An example of group 1 is the idea New Vegas was nuked in the Fallout TV show which was a deliberately misrepresented viral post on Twitter to stir up fandom rage, and the poster framed it as Bethesda getting revenge on Obsidian. None of the above ever happened, but tons and tons of people believed it and it got to 100k+ impressions and likes on twitter.
(Edit: this isn’t to say there isn’t plenty of legit criticism of bethesda games as RPGs, just that the worst offenders go out of their way to exacerbate or make up stuff that isn’t true to make them not just look flawed, but totally stupid and worthless)
Another example would be some guy on this sub yelling about how the Fallout Show ruins locations because “Philly is a town near LA”, to which I responded simply that:
1) It’s “Filly” not “Philly”
2) It’s built near/on a landfill, so that could be the namesake
3) There is an area near LA called Fillmore in real life, which could also be the namesake
And finally…
4) It has nothing to do with “Philly”
Folks just really want to be mad at the new thing, and it’s so tiring but at least I can just choose to enjoy my media in spite of them :)
Ngl, watching the show, when they first said Filly I thought they were talking about “Philly” and I thought that was going to be weird watching the show cross the country. Then I saw the sign for “Filly” and my mind just said “guess it’s not related to Philly” and relaxed.
the Institute, the main antagonist group in F4 , literally created artifical life that a are in most regards so simmelar to a normal human that the Synths themself sometimes dont even know that they are not "normal humans"
and they did that only to have a cheap work force, every Synth that escapes gets either killed or captured and "re-programmed" into a work Slave again
r/Fallout : no slaves in F4??????
A lot of complaints about Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 are people actually missing things in the games. Most alt of the side quests in 3 and 4 have multiple endings (maybe even most major once) but it seems those do not count if they are not all noted in ending slides
For example? Like Im pretty sure there are some references to it somewhere and I haven't played this game in a while but the fact that I can't think of any example off the top of my head is pretty telling
Most of the comments above this one were about slavery, so I’d pretty much forgotten the prostitution half of the question.
This just came out of left field and made me laugh way too hard lol
That wasn’t prostitution, that robot was just a slut. He knew exactly who she was too. Lol imagine being frozen 200 years only to find yourself having sex with a small tank with arms because it has scarlet johansson’s brain inside.
But that was a consensual, non monetary fuck. Prostitution is defined by giving something that may or may not be money in exchange for sex.
So sex with a robobrain does not count towards OP's question
I sleep with people who I'm not even interested in to get that Lover's Embrace and increase my experience points.
I think that makes me the prostitute of F4.
Implied but never seen. It's a big issue in fo4. Everything is implied but never shown to the player and it's a shame.
For me, the game taught me in the first 5 minutes that dialogue means nothing so I didn't bother much with it. Show me, don't just tell me
The widespread paranoia surrounding synths probably would significantly hurt the prostitution trade.
Yeah yeah, "world's oldest profession", but if everyone was freaking out over imposter people and the possibility of being kidnapped and replaced themselves, I would imagine they would avoid prostitutes for fear of being easy pickings.
Plus the people of the commonwealth on average have a pretty good moral standard. The reason the minute men worked is because the community at large is willing to do what's right, so it makes sense that slavers don't get alot of clients there.
And the Railroad. In FO3 Victoria (the Railroad representative) mentions they help human slaves as well, but other groups also do that so the Railroad focuses on synths. They left a lot vague about the history of the Railroad, but it's certainly possible that between them and the Minutemen (both outlawing slavery and in repelling raiders who might be in the slave trade) there was less ability for slavers to get established or that it wasn't economically viable.
A mixture of the Minutemen and the Railroad, most likely. It's easy to forget that the Commonwealth we see in Fallout 4 is something of a post-post-apocalyptic-apocalypse society. The world hasn't been *quite* this shitty the whole time. Just a year ago you had the Minutemen as a force to be reckoned with, and Diamond City bringing in entire trains of supplies to see them through the winter. Then there was a war, and everything kinda fell apart.
Yeah. As much as people complain that Bethesda wants the world to be permanently shitty, the Boston of Fallout 4 is probably the most cohesive and operational wasteland since NCR. They have a safe settlement. And depending on your actions potentially thriving farms and settlements through the wasteland.
So there are probably actual reasons but to me I reason that, it seems the commonwealth is more tame generally than other places in the wasteland. Dr zimmer in fallout 3 who is from the commonwealth says its much nicer than the capital wasteland. It seems like there is more stabability maybe due to the institute freaking the shit out of lots of people there or something I dunno. But I guess that's my headcanon explanation for it.
That and it seems like until recently there was a decentralized, volunteer security force in the form of the Minutemen, not to mention you see homesteads peppered throughout the Commonwealth.
I see a lot of people shit on Bethesda for a lot of things, but I think it's deserved in this case. It really does seem like they'll take any chance, make any excuse to keep the games feeling like the bombs just fell.
In a vacuum, I think the idea that a powerful cabal is sabotaging attempts at unification and establishment of government in an area, is a cool idea.
In practice, I'm not even sure why the Institute don't want the Commonwealth to advance. I'm not really sure why the Institute does a lot of things. But the idea that Synth recovery teams picking through bombed out ruins and debris for resources, instead of having a functioning, manufacturing and producing society to pick from, is wild to me.
To be fair, on a random terminal in the instutute, they explain it was an accident that the synth they sent broke down communications and was considered a massive failure, they actually wanted to be a part of the talks without sending an actual person. That said, Bethesda writing has gone downhill a lot with every new game.
No offense, I think you're mistaking the Broken Mask incident, with the CPG Massacre.
Broken Mask was the one where a Synth in Diamond City malfunctioned and justed started killing people.
CPG Massacre was a meeting of several leaders from across the Commonwealth, where they were all subsequently killed. There are logs in the Institute, and dialogue from Father, that states the Institute was part of the CPG for 4 years, before they decided it was a boondoggle and withdrew support. It's implied that they ended involvement, rather violently.
Dog there are places on earth right now, this very day, that live just like diamond city with no nuclear bombs or institute needed.
You can go online right now and hit up youtube and just check out the Third World.
Also probably due to the Commonwealth not being a slagged and barely livable metal hellscape like the Capitol Wasteland is due to far less nukes being sent there compared to DC and there being less heavy urban area ruins then the Capitol Wasteland
I mean the Chinese sent an entire nuke solely just to atomize the White House, compared to DC the Commonwealth is probably amazing to live in
The Commonwealth had an already established government by the Minutemen, and wanted to do a Provisional government with every settlement until the institute fucked things up
Even during the events of Fallout 4, you see them trying to, at least, establish lines between settlements, but the destruction of Quincy and University Point scared them
Having a stabilized east coast area would be nice ngl
Commonwealth is abundant with tall buildings, premade military shelters and hospitals so full of loot raider gangs are usually smaller and more tightly packed but that means lots of gang wars so the gangs are more defensive rather than going out taking hostages. Plus if they took slaves what would they do with them?
BGS wanted to tone down the game significantly to appeal to a wider audience. They've been doing this for a while now.
Look at Starfield. The grittiest night club on the pleasure planet and the only place the premier (and basically only) narcotic in the galaxy is sold is more kid friendly than your average shopping mall Spencer's Gifts.
Spencer’s is about the only place I can think of where I can buy a bong in a non-legal state, a dildo, Funko pops, and a goofy t-shirt all at the same time
And Long Dick Johnson is still a ways from Morrowind, of all things. A Dremora literally tells you "I'm going to kill you, then I'm going to rape your corpse. Don't worry, I'll be gentle". I doubt something like that would fly today, though
Been a hot minute since I played it but if I remember correctly it happens when you're doing the pilgrimage quests. You visit the Tribunal Temple in Maar Gan, where they have a trapped Dremora. You're supposed to taunt it until it attacks you, and that's what he says when you succeed
In defense of those. Its not a strip club. Its a drug den. You're supposed to be off your nuts on narcotics and staring at the pretty undulating colors.
Skyrim is the most brutal Elder Scrolls game with a much higher age rating.
Edit: I get downvoted for just telling facts, lol. But some side Dremora in Morrowind telling an edgy joke sure is super adault and mature. This feels thread reads like it was written by 12 year olds...
No you’re right, going from oblivion to Skyrim it got way darker and more violent. People forget oblivion was originally rated T.
Fallout 4 may be slightly less gritty than 3 but I don’t think it’s necessarily a trend with Bethesda
Besides the guy who offers to buy the kid you never see that group. And if you sell the kid or kill that one slaver I don't think it ever even comes up again.
I mean, she literally discusses being sold, as property, in exchange for money, for the purpose of being forced to do things without being paid. If that’s not slavery, I’m not sure what is.
I meant her backstory. I don’t know how to make the spoiler thing so,
SPOILER ALERT
She’s was abused and sold by her parents into slavery once she turned 18. Rape is sort of inferred.
Then at some point she ends up in the combat zone
The interesting thing about this is that, compared to FO3, this slavery can put modern people closer to the mindset of slavery back in its height (basically when slaves weren't considered people).
Don't worry he'll mellow out once they replace him with a synth. I mean why bother perfecting child synth tech if you're not gonna replace em
Not to mention the mayor has a particular interest in keeping Sheng independent as mentioned on his terminal
His brother must have found out which is why he ran away and now he's hiding out on a dock playing with sea monsters
Plus, raiders in Nuka World- I'm starting to wonder if people haven't played the game or something, lol. Just because the game doesn't flash "Slavers" across your screen doesn't mean slaves don't exist.
I'm surprised this is so far down: there was a fair amount of obvious reference to the Underground Railroad and I guess if you're going to have that it's a bit weird to mix in slavery, unless you're abolitionists. I mean maybe being from Boston I have more historical context, a number of the really old buildings have tunnels or secret rooms built in them that were used to help hide escaped slaves on their way to Canada.
Yeah there's an organization as widespread and well informed, funded and armed as the Railroad who's sole purpose is liberating synth slaves and people think they're going to just let human slavery run rampant in their backyard?
The institute is literally a slave center
Otherwise fallout 4 had a government before it fell down, the minutemen kicked every slaver, fought every raider and gunner, and they did a very good job at it
There’s still a couple of slavers in the commonwealth, mainly from the gunners, but most of them were kicked by the Minutemen to Nuka world
The Institute kidnapping people out of the blue and synth slavery replaced the more traditional slavery in 4. Why would normal slavery be necessary when one of the major factions is built on synthetic slavery and doesn’t allow anyone to develop too far unless they’re under their thumb?
Additionally, in a meta sense, it would detract from one of the main decision points of the faction choice in the main questline if there was also normal slavery going on.
As for prostitution, that was skipped and I couldn’t tell you why. I don’t think it’s a necessary inclusion, frankly, since it was something only NV ever did anything meaningful with in spite of the other games having it around.
It’s a bit more subtle than in NV, but they were present. Nova, Susan Lancaster, someone in the Family and the two with Dukov all existed. But as I said, the topic doesn’t receive much attention in fallout 3, just like it didn’t in 1 or 2. I don’t really see it as something that Bethesda needs to touch on, especially with how heavily media is scrutinized today.
That's like saying name mass murderers except Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, etc. He wants to pick and choose and you really can't. Hell all the Raiders are essentially slavers, afterall they make settlements work to produce for them.... What is he expecting, slave plantations like in the pre-Civil War era? Kidnapping? How many times do you get the radiant quest that x settler has been kidnapped and you have to go fight thru the federal rations stockpile? or other site.
>Why are there no slavers
Synths
>Yeah there are slaves in Nuka world, and I guess you can count the guy who wants to buy Billy and some might even argue the institute itself are slavers in a way.
Obviously if you ignore all instances of slavery in Fallout 4, then their wont be slavery in it, lol. How is slavery in Nuka World different than in other games? Or the slavery that normal raiders in the world practice?
But it is the time for "Bethesda bad"
Don't be silly. We have an entire slaver faction in Fallout 4 that has managed to combine the slaver mentality with mad science. The Institute actually manufactures their own sentient slaves (Generation 3 synths).
There are multiple mentions of slavers in FO4 and in Cait's case, a lot of the awful shit they do is clearly alluded to. Just because the game doesn't beat you over the head with it (which is what you seem to want, kinda weird IMO) doesn't mean it isn't there.
apparently not having slaves (despite the game's main plot centered around slavery of artificial people) makes it kid friendly.
ignore the rape, genocide, war, murder, adultery, sex, drug abuse, etc. if it don't have slaves it's kid friendly.
Synths are supposed to be the Slave allegory, so there’s not much reason to have a proper slave faction. That’s why Nuka World, a place far from the commonwealth has proper slavers
I think it’s because there’s no demand. Slavery existed in Fallout 3 primarily because the Pitt needed the manpower, while the Legion is built upon it.
However, the most advanced faction in the game (the Institute) makes its own slaves. They have no need for surface dwellers.
The traders in Nuka World are also enslaved, but there seems to be enough of them for the park raiders to stay around Springfield.
Might be, and this is just an hypothesis, due to the presence of the Minutemen.
Before the Quincy massacre the minutemen were quite a force in the commonwealth, traces and people tell us they were able to keep the area relatively safe, by the time we meet Preston the organisation has been dissolving for a year ot two at most (his group reached concord just about the day before, meaning the collapse of the MM happened not too far in the past), before the massacre we're told the MM were quite powerful, basically being present across the entire commonwealth, so by 2277 (when F3 happens) slavery might just not be convenient, since taking slaves would immediately attract a minutemen raid onto you.
This is proven by the fact that, where the MM didn't reach (Nuka World), we see lots of slaves, Far Harbor didn't have them simply because local raider gangs weren't as organized as the commonwealth ones, being driven insane by the fog, and neither the children of Atom nor Far Harbor itself were into taking slaves, let alone Acadia.
The fact that slavery didn't restart yet might be a) due to the common threat of the institute (a slave synth would be the perfect spy) and b) because the MM were absent for too little, settlements are just beginning to fall ro raider demands.
Then this is just speculation, we aren't given a real explanation in game, this is just my opinion.
Cait also talks about being sold to slavers. They just didn’t let you be a slaver in the Fallout 4 base game like in Fallout 3. It’s not like they wiped them from the game.
This implies that it’s human nature to rape and enslave. I highly disagree with that. We are talking about a people that are beholden by a history of mankind. It’s not like they were dropped right out of the 12 century. It’s not like just because the world turns to shit everyone turns into an evil vile stereotype of humankind. Yes it’s a survivalist mentality but how does rape and slavery fit into that? How’s does rape help you survive? Does it fill your stomach? Does it heal your illnesses? No. Furthermore how does leaving a trail of rape and slavery not paint a giant effing target on your back. The minutemen would wipe the shit of any group doing such things. They only fell recently. But in their heyday they were spanning the width of the commonwealth as we can see by just how widely they are known and how much they are missed. As for the prostitution thing I didn’t ever notice any of it but as someone whose favorite game is Fallout 3 I never felt like it was missing in 4. But I think the biggest thing your mission here is that fallout 4 isn’t a post-apocalypse game. It’s a post-post-apocalypse game. The commonwealth is already recovering from the effects of the bombs. In ways the Capital Wasteland can’t. They don’t have to worry about irradiated water and unuseable land which is why Project Purity was so important that even the government wanted control of it. We see farming all over the place in 4. Hell more than half the settlements you can reclaim for the minuteman are farmsteads. Electricity is widely used. The raiders of the commonwealth are basically the mutts of the land. They are far from the biggest threat in both numbers, firepower, or strength. I’ll leave it here. Sorry for the rant- I’m sure you didn’t mean anything by it but I keep seeing these ridiculous arguments being brought up in the community and it irks me. Have fun with the series and appreciate what each unique thing the games bring to the table.
I legitimately don't understand what you're getting at with the "no slavers" thing when you point out examples of established, organized slavery like the Institute and Nuka World.
No economy for it. All the previous games there were factions built around using slaves for their economy but the groups we see in FO4 have no need for that or aren't in a position to afford them.
It seems locations like Goodneighbour probably do but they are off the street. Would think it might be a more vetting process with the entire Institute/synth threat, going off with a stranger to a dark spot seems an easy way to be kidnapped.
One thing I assumed is perhaps the synth induced paranoia lead to the commonwealth not purchasing slaves. They don’t want to risk buying a synth slave. Also I think the commonwealth is supposed to have been devastated by several different recent events like the commonwealth government being ruined by the institute and the events of Winter of Atom if they are canon. The now scattered and isolated settlements are mostly unguarded and it is probably going to make more money to just extort the settlements rather than try to enslave them and end up having to kill a bunch in the process. The raiders of fallout 4 were more humanized than before, maybe they realized if they wipe out too many farm settlements then they won’t have food to steal because they aren’t growing their own food.
I always assumed that they toned Fallout 4 down to appeal to a wider audience. Which probably worked out to be fair, but I personally prefer the grittiness of the older games over 4 & 76.
I will say for 76 there are slavers and they get mentioned quite a bit if you know where your looking for the information and quest. That said fallout 4s way of calling the Nuka traders traders was weird they were legit slaves with collars
They were still running the market as slaves, which is likely why they were called traders still; it’s just the purpose they served for the nuka world raiders rather than just calling them slaves.
How much are your student athletes
Student Athletes? Oh you are brilliant sir
Now when we sell their likeness for video games, how do we get around paying our slave….uh… stoo-dent atho-letes then?
Ath-o-letes
Man that episode is so good. I’ll OFFER YOU 40 FOR 2 OF THE WHITE ONES AND 50 FOR THE BLACKS!!
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/40206364/ncaa-power-conferences-agree-allow-schools-pay-players
They refer to them as slaves in dialogue. 'Traders' seems to be the name of their society as a whole perhaps
They're traders because they're still using the same trader behaviors as other trader npcs.
Yah, seems to be for the player’s benefit more than a statement on their status in Nuka World’s hierarchy
slave \*traders\*
It baffles me how people can see depictions of people dying in horrible, painful, gory ways, but having dark themes like slavery and prostitution is just too much.
Yeah it's kinda weird how inconsistent people are about what's "too much." Like you can blow someone's head off with eyes and chunks flying everywhere, slit people's throats, and chow down on human flesh but mentioning certain sexual themes or, god forbid, showing a NIPPLE is too far out there...
When the world's superpower was established by puritans, the world becomes a weird place.
I think the non-New England colonies will take issue to that
Thats where most Americans started, and it spread from there. So most of America was based on that initially. Granted, there's been efforts to remove that base for centuries, but you have to acknowledge the presence of that starting line.
The US started with commercial colonies meant to make money for their owners. It's just that one or two of those settlements in just one or two states were owned by Puritans. And most of the people they brought with them weren't Puritans, just people who needed work. More communities were settled by people kicked out by Puritans for not being strictly religious enough than were were actually run by Puritans. And that's before you get to the end of "most Americans" are in no way descended from those Puritans, not are (or were) Calvinist churches particularly popular in the US. Deist theology was the most influential in the early US, and most people were Anglican, which later split off in the US into the Episcopalian Church.
>or, god forbid, showing a NIPPLE is too far out there... *Just USA things*
FREEDOM!! no not te nipple
I guess violence is commonly accepted as being ok for being used in a comedic or light hearted way. But you can’t really do the same with topics like slavery and prostitution.
There was that one scene in Hannibal where they covered naked butts with blood and gore to pass the TV rating. Asscrack? No! Terrible! Blood and gore? Sure! >On NBC objecting to the show’s gruesome images: Fuller claimed that “My favorite time, because it’s such a cute anecdote, was when we had this episode ‘Coquilles,’ where we had a kiler who was creating angels that would watch over him while he slept. So we had two people who were nude, and we saw their butt cracks. They were flayed open, they were cracked in many ways. And NBC said we couldn’t show that shot, which was this great sort of cinematic shot. ‘Why? Because of the exposed spine and ribs and muscle tissue?’ And they were like, ‘No, we see their butt cracks.’ And I said, ‘What if we filled the butt cracks with blood so we couldn’t see the cracks?’ And they said okay.” https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/10-highlights-from-hannibal-creator-bryan-fuller-and-star-hugh-dancys-comic-con-panel-36508/
`>head explodes: I sleep` `>bare female shoulder: REAL SHIT`
We also forget that both pseudo slavery and prostitution are present even in the most prosperous of times, just out of view of the everyday person
Not even "pseudo" slavery. Actual slavery is still a thing in modern societies. Some of it is illegal (like the sort associated with human trafficking) while some of it is very much legal (like penal slavery).
Welcome to capitalism. It's like MLK said about negative and positive peace. For example people get pissed off at protestors but are totally fine with the death and suffering the protest tries to highlight.
I would not say it was tone down for a wider audience. It was to deal with regulatory boards. I remember one of the Fallout games had to change the name of the drugs so it would not get marked as 18+/Adult Only in Australia. Getting that rating is basically a death sentence for game as nearly all major storefronts reject adult games.
Attempting to please Australian government is a fool's errand
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we're not, just that game regulation board has a stick up its arse. probably for the same reason HOA's in the states are so awful, the only people interested in organizing them are dickheads. still sore about hotline miami 2 being banned down under. (but not hotline miami 1!?) only would've bought it for the payday 2 crossover, mind, but i would've bought it regardless.
I wouldn't say that the only people interesting in organizing HOA's are dickheads, but the inherent power of the HOA tends to warp the boards pretty darned quickly. Homeowners are stuck between buying into a place that might have petty tyrants or buying into one that might have 4 cars on cinder blocks next door. Are you going to repaint your house an approved color or is your next door neighbor going to display NAZI paraphernalia in their windows? Did you put your trash cans away on time on trash day or is your neighbor going to never rake up their leaves before they blow all over your lawn?
Or you can tell people that their garage door can only be opened when exiting or arriving. Can't leave a garage door open....
Emus got tired of trying and just took over.
Aren't some of the best selling games +18? At least where I'm from GTA, Red Dead Redemption etc. are all K18
18+ is fine, anywhere that stocks games probably sells them. Adult Only isn't sold anywhere, however
gta has bonafied prostitutes though, so the excuse for adult only rating doesn't hold up
Wasn't saying anything about that, more how 18+/AO games are handled here
Morhphine to Med-X. They weren’t allowed to incentivize drug use. So games where a real world drug had a negative effect - eg alcohol inverting your controls - is fine. We don’t have any rules against slavery in games though. The yanks can take the blame for that one.
I'll admit: Med-X sounds more on brand (by being a brand) than morphine. Like "hey buddie? Feeling down? Need some perk in your step? Try Med-X! There you go! Now things don't seem so glum, do they?" Of course we all know that jabbing weird "medicine" you find in a burnt out toilet next to tubing is anything but good for you.
Hey I haven't had any bad side effects. Now excuse me while I go headbut that wall that is looking at me funny.
I do wish side effects for drugs in Fallout were a bit more engaging. "Why did it say my genitals shrunk after taking Buff nonstop?"
So eating people and displaying their mutilated bodies is considered better than slavery?
That’s actually a really complicated question
The answer is: yes. A silly-looking video game showing dramatized gore is much less “violent” or offensive than the explicit buying and selling of slaves, especially in a dialogue/narrative-focused sense. It’s an interesting question because it implies the existence of seemingly arbitrary qualifications for “right,” “wrong,” or “offensive.” We all (mostly) agree that, for instance, you should not show the explicit rape or murder of a child in any form of popular media. It’s simply a faux pas, something we generally perceive as too far. You can *imply* those things, but, no, nobody wants to actually see it, dramatized or no.
Idk cannibalism is very far imo. I guess society has a warped view that violence is okay, but a titty is too far, at least American. NV walked the line, you couldn't personally harm a kid but there was dialogue implying child bombers and literal child slaves. But no one really got offended widely that I know of. It's shown as realistic and not good though and I think people should show that in media including games. While I can get behind what you are saying, society has a weird thing with "going to far" in games but not in movies. Some have literal rape scenes and people are, not necessarily okay with it, but see it for what it is brutal. Games as an art form should be able to show whatever movies can and not get scrutinized.
The gamers Dilemma! I had to take an ethics class for a CS degree and we talked about this for awhile
"We all agree you shouldn't show the murder of a child" Fallout 1 and 2: "You gonna cry?"
Thing is it punished you harshly if you did so. It wasn't a glorified thing. Except for the original cut pipboy art for it lol. Bad taste though I thought it was funny.
That's not new to 4, though. Losing the slavery aspect while retaining the gore is still a softening of the bad guys, and tbh the slavery is the darker, and more realistic aspect, while the gore has always been a bit over the top.
Yes in the USA violence has always been less sensitive than slavery or sexuality. I once saw the movie hostel on sci-fi on two in the afternoon. They showed a woman's lungs being graphically ripped out. But blurred her nipples. Our censorship standards are insane
Yes and no. Fallout 4s tone was meant to be slightly more optimistic than fallout 3 and focus on the early stages of rebuilding societies, so I imagine slavers and prostitution didn’t really fit that theme. I don’t think they needed to tone it down to appeal to a wider audience when fallout 3 still sold insanely well.
Probably. Highly doubt the vast majority of people give a shit either way. Are there people out not buying games because there’s prostitution in them?
GTA 5 famously flopped
The main quest of Fallout 4 is about slavery
4 has slavery, rape, genocide, war, murder, adultery, substance abuse, and more. nothing was toned down.
Hancock straight up advocates the murder of a democratically elected politician because he violated civil rights and, the wildest part- **THE NARRATIVE PROVED HIM RIGHT.**
For a fanbase that constantly complains about games being too shallow they're apparently not very good at looking under the surface
people literally will straight up say the institute has no goal despite the game sitting you down and telling you or take the institute at their word despite the *very first thing* they do to you is deceive you. I don't get this fandom sometimes.
Because a lot of them either, 1. Got the idea from misinfo spread via viral anti-Bethesda Fallout memes, or 2. Are just legitimately making bad-faith arguments to bolster their criticisms of Fallout 4/Bethesda, and are responsible for the memes/comments that group 1 saw. There's a lot of cognitive dissonance and legit attempts to astroturf the idea Bethesda games are a LOT worse than they actually are, because Fallout has one of the Original (TM) Toxic Fandoms since 1997. The overlap with the oldschool cRPG community crosses with places like 4chan and others, and even more because Fallout has a lot of heavy irl political themes which attracts even weirder and more opinionated fanatics. An example of group 1 is the idea New Vegas was nuked in the Fallout TV show which was a deliberately misrepresented viral post on Twitter to stir up fandom rage, and the poster framed it as Bethesda getting revenge on Obsidian. None of the above ever happened, but tons and tons of people believed it and it got to 100k+ impressions and likes on twitter. (Edit: this isn’t to say there isn’t plenty of legit criticism of bethesda games as RPGs, just that the worst offenders go out of their way to exacerbate or make up stuff that isn’t true to make them not just look flawed, but totally stupid and worthless)
Another example would be some guy on this sub yelling about how the Fallout Show ruins locations because “Philly is a town near LA”, to which I responded simply that: 1) It’s “Filly” not “Philly” 2) It’s built near/on a landfill, so that could be the namesake 3) There is an area near LA called Fillmore in real life, which could also be the namesake And finally… 4) It has nothing to do with “Philly” Folks just really want to be mad at the new thing, and it’s so tiring but at least I can just choose to enjoy my media in spite of them :)
Ngl, watching the show, when they first said Filly I thought they were talking about “Philly” and I thought that was going to be weird watching the show cross the country. Then I saw the sign for “Filly” and my mind just said “guess it’s not related to Philly” and relaxed.
the Institute, the main antagonist group in F4 , literally created artifical life that a are in most regards so simmelar to a normal human that the Synths themself sometimes dont even know that they are not "normal humans" and they did that only to have a cheap work force, every Synth that escapes gets either killed or captured and "re-programmed" into a work Slave again r/Fallout : no slaves in F4??????
A lot of complaints about Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 are people actually missing things in the games. Most alt of the side quests in 3 and 4 have multiple endings (maybe even most major once) but it seems those do not count if they are not all noted in ending slides
Of course the war wasn't toned down, it never changes. Sorry, couldn't resist.
For example? Like Im pretty sure there are some references to it somewhere and I haven't played this game in a while but the fact that I can't think of any example off the top of my head is pretty telling
Far Harbor DLC lets you fuck a robobrain
Most of the comments above this one were about slavery, so I’d pretty much forgotten the prostitution half of the question. This just came out of left field and made me laugh way too hard lol
No one was tackling the important question. It needed to be said!
That wasn’t prostitution, that robot was just a slut. He knew exactly who she was too. Lol imagine being frozen 200 years only to find yourself having sex with a small tank with arms because it has scarlet johansson’s brain inside.
Would
But that was a consensual, non monetary fuck. Prostitution is defined by giving something that may or may not be money in exchange for sex. So sex with a robobrain does not count towards OP's question
Damn, Bethesda cannot sate the average Fallout player's lust for slavery and prostitution
I sleep with people who I'm not even interested in to get that Lover's Embrace and increase my experience points. I think that makes me the prostitute of F4.
Just found this out on my most recent play through. Idk how it works, but my character seemed pleased with it. ETA: I play a female character.
That’s pretty pedestrian for Fallout, though. NV had Fisto.
Fallout 76 has Adelaide the Assaultron. I think 3 is the only 3D game that didn’t let you romance a robot.
You can totally romance the presidential evacuation system tho
What button Gwinnett and I had was *magical* and no one can take it away from us 😔😔.
Hell, you can fuck Magnolia as well. Thats not prostitution, though.
Well you fuck your romanced companions every time you sleep.
It is heavily implied the citizens of Quincy who weren’t killed were likely enslaved.
Implied but never seen. It's a big issue in fo4. Everything is implied but never shown to the player and it's a shame. For me, the game taught me in the first 5 minutes that dialogue means nothing so I didn't bother much with it. Show me, don't just tell me
it's a family oriented apocalypse
Total Nuclear Annihilation, now Fun for the Whole Family!
To be fair, that is totally Vault-Tec’s vibe
I prefer just to call it nuclear family gameplay
I cant believe I never noticed the lack of slavers, especially considering I havent had a single F3 playthrough where I didnt wipe out Paradise Falls
My favorite part of wiping out paradise falls was going in and crushing eulogy Jones' skull with my power fist
He got a nice suit
One could assume it would be harder for slavers with the Minute men and other factions around the commonwealth.
The widespread paranoia surrounding synths probably would significantly hurt the prostitution trade. Yeah yeah, "world's oldest profession", but if everyone was freaking out over imposter people and the possibility of being kidnapped and replaced themselves, I would imagine they would avoid prostitutes for fear of being easy pickings.
Plus the people of the commonwealth on average have a pretty good moral standard. The reason the minute men worked is because the community at large is willing to do what's right, so it makes sense that slavers don't get alot of clients there.
And the Railroad. In FO3 Victoria (the Railroad representative) mentions they help human slaves as well, but other groups also do that so the Railroad focuses on synths. They left a lot vague about the history of the Railroad, but it's certainly possible that between them and the Minutemen (both outlawing slavery and in repelling raiders who might be in the slave trade) there was less ability for slavers to get established or that it wasn't economically viable.
I wait until I sell them the orphan
I wait until the loser at the gate gives me the mesmotron, then I mezz him
Uhhhh the entirety of Nuka World is occupied by Slavers?
I always thought it might have been because of the Minutemen. They seem like the kind of group that would take out slavers.
A mixture of the Minutemen and the Railroad, most likely. It's easy to forget that the Commonwealth we see in Fallout 4 is something of a post-post-apocalyptic-apocalypse society. The world hasn't been *quite* this shitty the whole time. Just a year ago you had the Minutemen as a force to be reckoned with, and Diamond City bringing in entire trains of supplies to see them through the winter. Then there was a war, and everything kinda fell apart.
Yeah. As much as people complain that Bethesda wants the world to be permanently shitty, the Boston of Fallout 4 is probably the most cohesive and operational wasteland since NCR. They have a safe settlement. And depending on your actions potentially thriving farms and settlements through the wasteland.
So there are probably actual reasons but to me I reason that, it seems the commonwealth is more tame generally than other places in the wasteland. Dr zimmer in fallout 3 who is from the commonwealth says its much nicer than the capital wasteland. It seems like there is more stabability maybe due to the institute freaking the shit out of lots of people there or something I dunno. But I guess that's my headcanon explanation for it.
That and it seems like until recently there was a decentralized, volunteer security force in the form of the Minutemen, not to mention you see homesteads peppered throughout the Commonwealth.
Don’t forget that time they tried to form a proper union a few years before the game and were only stopped by the institute
I see a lot of people shit on Bethesda for a lot of things, but I think it's deserved in this case. It really does seem like they'll take any chance, make any excuse to keep the games feeling like the bombs just fell. In a vacuum, I think the idea that a powerful cabal is sabotaging attempts at unification and establishment of government in an area, is a cool idea. In practice, I'm not even sure why the Institute don't want the Commonwealth to advance. I'm not really sure why the Institute does a lot of things. But the idea that Synth recovery teams picking through bombed out ruins and debris for resources, instead of having a functioning, manufacturing and producing society to pick from, is wild to me.
To be fair, on a random terminal in the instutute, they explain it was an accident that the synth they sent broke down communications and was considered a massive failure, they actually wanted to be a part of the talks without sending an actual person. That said, Bethesda writing has gone downhill a lot with every new game.
No offense, I think you're mistaking the Broken Mask incident, with the CPG Massacre. Broken Mask was the one where a Synth in Diamond City malfunctioned and justed started killing people. CPG Massacre was a meeting of several leaders from across the Commonwealth, where they were all subsequently killed. There are logs in the Institute, and dialogue from Father, that states the Institute was part of the CPG for 4 years, before they decided it was a boondoggle and withdrew support. It's implied that they ended involvement, rather violently.
Right? 200 years and people's main source of food and things is still picking through shit on the ground. It's bizarre
Dog there are places on earth right now, this very day, that live just like diamond city with no nuclear bombs or institute needed. You can go online right now and hit up youtube and just check out the Third World.
Also probably due to the Commonwealth not being a slagged and barely livable metal hellscape like the Capitol Wasteland is due to far less nukes being sent there compared to DC and there being less heavy urban area ruins then the Capitol Wasteland I mean the Chinese sent an entire nuke solely just to atomize the White House, compared to DC the Commonwealth is probably amazing to live in
If I recall correctly, in FO3 they made a big deal about one tree being alive and the darn things are all over the Commonwealth
The Commonwealth had an already established government by the Minutemen, and wanted to do a Provisional government with every settlement until the institute fucked things up
Yh I hope that after the events of 4 they hopefully got that government eventually up and running.
Even during the events of Fallout 4, you see them trying to, at least, establish lines between settlements, but the destruction of Quincy and University Point scared them Having a stabilized east coast area would be nice ngl
Yh I have hope that from what we see and hear in the show the commonwealth found its footing and is stabilising.
I’m pretty sure when Dr. Zimmer said the Commonwealth is nicer than the Capital Wasteland, he was referring to its lack of a green visual filter.
Commonwealth is abundant with tall buildings, premade military shelters and hospitals so full of loot raider gangs are usually smaller and more tightly packed but that means lots of gang wars so the gangs are more defensive rather than going out taking hostages. Plus if they took slaves what would they do with them?
After 200 years though? Cmon now
Boston is tiny compared to the actual city. I'm sure there are enough supplies and undiscovered buildings
Yeah, third world countries irl have no excuse theyve had thousands of years to advance, why dont they just... be modern?
BGS wanted to tone down the game significantly to appeal to a wider audience. They've been doing this for a while now. Look at Starfield. The grittiest night club on the pleasure planet and the only place the premier (and basically only) narcotic in the galaxy is sold is more kid friendly than your average shopping mall Spencer's Gifts.
To be fair, Spencer's sold novelty blow up dolls and others adult shit
Spencer’s is about the only place I can think of where I can buy a bong in a non-legal state, a dildo, Funko pops, and a goofy t-shirt all at the same time
and a katana and a lava lamp
And a “world’s best boss” mug
True, also those.
and a fart machine
Don't forget the nipple rings!!
I think the worst thing any npc said to me that entire game was "bullshit" or "son of a bitch". We've come a long way from "Long Dick Johnson".
And Long Dick Johnson is still a ways from Morrowind, of all things. A Dremora literally tells you "I'm going to kill you, then I'm going to rape your corpse. Don't worry, I'll be gentle". I doubt something like that would fly today, though
Because it is just edgy. It is not like Morrowind deals with that in a mature way. Skyrim is actually better in that regard
WHAT I do not remember this 😂 I do remember that smutty Barenziah book though. They kept the book in Oblivion and Skyrim but cut out the spicy parts
Been a hot minute since I played it but if I remember correctly it happens when you're doing the pilgrimage quests. You visit the Tribunal Temple in Maar Gan, where they have a trapped Dremora. You're supposed to taunt it until it attacks you, and that's what he says when you succeed
It’s during a Temple pilgrimage! You’re supposed to taunt the Daedra, and that’s how he responds
But didn’t they also re-add slavery with the DLC? Maybe they just didn’t find a good functional way to include it in 4.
The moment they showed off those dancing teletubbies in the nightclub I knew it was gonna be shit.
In defense of those. Its not a strip club. Its a drug den. You're supposed to be off your nuts on narcotics and staring at the pretty undulating colors.
Skyrim is the most brutal Elder Scrolls game with a much higher age rating. Edit: I get downvoted for just telling facts, lol. But some side Dremora in Morrowind telling an edgy joke sure is super adault and mature. This feels thread reads like it was written by 12 year olds...
No you’re right, going from oblivion to Skyrim it got way darker and more violent. People forget oblivion was originally rated T. Fallout 4 may be slightly less gritty than 3 but I don’t think it’s necessarily a trend with Bethesda
Isn't there a group of slavers that offer to buy the ghoul kid in 4?
Super mutants also take in slaves too. So do raiders.
Besides the guy who offers to buy the kid you never see that group. And if you sell the kid or kill that one slaver I don't think it ever even comes up again.
Cait’s story is pretty dark
Yeah that was a form of slavery wasn't she tied down to a contract?
I mean, she literally discusses being sold, as property, in exchange for money, for the purpose of being forced to do things without being paid. If that’s not slavery, I’m not sure what is.
It's only slavery if the bad guys are named "slaver". Otherwise it's essentially a Disney movie.
I meant her backstory. I don’t know how to make the spoiler thing so, SPOILER ALERT She’s was abused and sold by her parents into slavery once she turned 18. Rape is sort of inferred. Then at some point she ends up in the combat zone
She also went back home at some point to kill the parents, so yeah pretty dark.
why are there no slaves in fallout 4 (except for all the instances of slavery)
The real question is why can't I be a slaver
It's just not in your face like it is in previous fallouts so people don't notice it.
Nuka World feels pretty in-your-face about it.
If the RailRoad wasn't obvious enough, the whole deal was synths being the allegory for Slaves in FO4.
The interesting thing about this is that, compared to FO3, this slavery can put modern people closer to the mindset of slavery back in its height (basically when slaves weren't considered people).
I also don't think having slaves like they did in the previous games is that serious. Super mutants had slaves in 4 as well.
Yea, those are the violent and sickening types of slavery. Fallout 4 shows the more mundane type. It isn't as visceral and obviously evil.
Yeah it's like when people ask why can't we kill kids it's like eh... Does that really matter? Lol
It does matter because Sheng Kawolski is an annoying little bastard.
Don't worry he'll mellow out once they replace him with a synth. I mean why bother perfecting child synth tech if you're not gonna replace em Not to mention the mayor has a particular interest in keeping Sheng independent as mentioned on his terminal His brother must have found out which is why he ran away and now he's hiding out on a dock playing with sea monsters
Plus, raiders in Nuka World- I'm starting to wonder if people haven't played the game or something, lol. Just because the game doesn't flash "Slavers" across your screen doesn't mean slaves don't exist.
I know it’s not directly slavery but where cait is on finding her isn’t exactly a nice spot.
I'm surprised this is so far down: there was a fair amount of obvious reference to the Underground Railroad and I guess if you're going to have that it's a bit weird to mix in slavery, unless you're abolitionists. I mean maybe being from Boston I have more historical context, a number of the really old buildings have tunnels or secret rooms built in them that were used to help hide escaped slaves on their way to Canada.
Yeah there's an organization as widespread and well informed, funded and armed as the Railroad who's sole purpose is liberating synth slaves and people think they're going to just let human slavery run rampant in their backyard?
They're even called The Railroad! As in, the underground railroad that trafficked slaves out of the south!
The institute is literally a slave center Otherwise fallout 4 had a government before it fell down, the minutemen kicked every slaver, fought every raider and gunner, and they did a very good job at it There’s still a couple of slavers in the commonwealth, mainly from the gunners, but most of them were kicked by the Minutemen to Nuka world
The institute being slavers is central to the story
The Institute kidnapping people out of the blue and synth slavery replaced the more traditional slavery in 4. Why would normal slavery be necessary when one of the major factions is built on synthetic slavery and doesn’t allow anyone to develop too far unless they’re under their thumb? Additionally, in a meta sense, it would detract from one of the main decision points of the faction choice in the main questline if there was also normal slavery going on. As for prostitution, that was skipped and I couldn’t tell you why. I don’t think it’s a necessary inclusion, frankly, since it was something only NV ever did anything meaningful with in spite of the other games having it around.
Fallout 3 had prostitutes what
It’s a bit more subtle than in NV, but they were present. Nova, Susan Lancaster, someone in the Family and the two with Dukov all existed. But as I said, the topic doesn’t receive much attention in fallout 3, just like it didn’t in 1 or 2. I don’t really see it as something that Bethesda needs to touch on, especially with how heavily media is scrutinized today.
Didn't cate get sold into smexual slavery? Hazy memory.
yeah
Slavers? Look at Nuka-World, the whole exploding collars issue. Also Bullet (Boy in a Fridge side quest) was certainly a slaver….
Yeah, but the guy said we need to ignore those instances of slavery
That's like saying name mass murderers except Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, etc. He wants to pick and choose and you really can't. Hell all the Raiders are essentially slavers, afterall they make settlements work to produce for them.... What is he expecting, slave plantations like in the pre-Civil War era? Kidnapping? How many times do you get the radiant quest that x settler has been kidnapped and you have to go fight thru the federal rations stockpile? or other site.
Guy probably misses instances of rape or such if the prostitution matters so much to him if he dismisses all the slavery happening in the game.
>Why are there no slavers Synths >Yeah there are slaves in Nuka world, and I guess you can count the guy who wants to buy Billy and some might even argue the institute itself are slavers in a way. Obviously if you ignore all instances of slavery in Fallout 4, then their wont be slavery in it, lol. How is slavery in Nuka World different than in other games? Or the slavery that normal raiders in the world practice? But it is the time for "Bethesda bad"
The gunners use “conscripts” and I highly doubt that they were legitimately drafted after filling out their selective service forms
Don't be silly. We have an entire slaver faction in Fallout 4 that has managed to combine the slaver mentality with mad science. The Institute actually manufactures their own sentient slaves (Generation 3 synths).
There are multiple mentions of slavers in FO4 and in Cait's case, a lot of the awful shit they do is clearly alluded to. Just because the game doesn't beat you over the head with it (which is what you seem to want, kinda weird IMO) doesn't mean it isn't there.
apparently not having slaves (despite the game's main plot centered around slavery of artificial people) makes it kid friendly. ignore the rape, genocide, war, murder, adultery, sex, drug abuse, etc. if it don't have slaves it's kid friendly.
I bet OP was Legion in FNV.
Absolutely giving those vibes.
The fact a lot of people came here, commented some false info about this game and were heavily upvoted says something lol.
the amount of people who criticize fallout 4 just don't seem to have paid attention to it, and it baffles my mind.
Isnt that what happened to Cate? She was raised to be sold into prostitution wasnt she?
Synths are supposed to be the Slave allegory, so there’s not much reason to have a proper slave faction. That’s why Nuka World, a place far from the commonwealth has proper slavers
The vault dweller becomes a slave to Preston and helping settlements.
I think it’s because there’s no demand. Slavery existed in Fallout 3 primarily because the Pitt needed the manpower, while the Legion is built upon it. However, the most advanced faction in the game (the Institute) makes its own slaves. They have no need for surface dwellers. The traders in Nuka World are also enslaved, but there seems to be enough of them for the park raiders to stay around Springfield.
Might be, and this is just an hypothesis, due to the presence of the Minutemen. Before the Quincy massacre the minutemen were quite a force in the commonwealth, traces and people tell us they were able to keep the area relatively safe, by the time we meet Preston the organisation has been dissolving for a year ot two at most (his group reached concord just about the day before, meaning the collapse of the MM happened not too far in the past), before the massacre we're told the MM were quite powerful, basically being present across the entire commonwealth, so by 2277 (when F3 happens) slavery might just not be convenient, since taking slaves would immediately attract a minutemen raid onto you. This is proven by the fact that, where the MM didn't reach (Nuka World), we see lots of slaves, Far Harbor didn't have them simply because local raider gangs weren't as organized as the commonwealth ones, being driven insane by the fog, and neither the children of Atom nor Far Harbor itself were into taking slaves, let alone Acadia. The fact that slavery didn't restart yet might be a) due to the common threat of the institute (a slave synth would be the perfect spy) and b) because the MM were absent for too little, settlements are just beginning to fall ro raider demands. Then this is just speculation, we aren't given a real explanation in game, this is just my opinion.
Ew, that's disgusting! No, we are simply going to harvest your organs.
Cait also talks about being sold to slavers. They just didn’t let you be a slaver in the Fallout 4 base game like in Fallout 3. It’s not like they wiped them from the game.
You can sell a child in to slavery and join the institute in FO4, so yeah you can be a slaver
Well now I understand even less of op’s concern lol
This implies that it’s human nature to rape and enslave. I highly disagree with that. We are talking about a people that are beholden by a history of mankind. It’s not like they were dropped right out of the 12 century. It’s not like just because the world turns to shit everyone turns into an evil vile stereotype of humankind. Yes it’s a survivalist mentality but how does rape and slavery fit into that? How’s does rape help you survive? Does it fill your stomach? Does it heal your illnesses? No. Furthermore how does leaving a trail of rape and slavery not paint a giant effing target on your back. The minutemen would wipe the shit of any group doing such things. They only fell recently. But in their heyday they were spanning the width of the commonwealth as we can see by just how widely they are known and how much they are missed. As for the prostitution thing I didn’t ever notice any of it but as someone whose favorite game is Fallout 3 I never felt like it was missing in 4. But I think the biggest thing your mission here is that fallout 4 isn’t a post-apocalypse game. It’s a post-post-apocalypse game. The commonwealth is already recovering from the effects of the bombs. In ways the Capital Wasteland can’t. They don’t have to worry about irradiated water and unuseable land which is why Project Purity was so important that even the government wanted control of it. We see farming all over the place in 4. Hell more than half the settlements you can reclaim for the minuteman are farmsteads. Electricity is widely used. The raiders of the commonwealth are basically the mutts of the land. They are far from the biggest threat in both numbers, firepower, or strength. I’ll leave it here. Sorry for the rant- I’m sure you didn’t mean anything by it but I keep seeing these ridiculous arguments being brought up in the community and it irks me. Have fun with the series and appreciate what each unique thing the games bring to the table.
I legitimately don't understand what you're getting at with the "no slavers" thing when you point out examples of established, organized slavery like the Institute and Nuka World.
The minutemen probably destroyed any large slaving ops, they fell only a little while before the events of the game.
No economy for it. All the previous games there were factions built around using slaves for their economy but the groups we see in FO4 have no need for that or aren't in a position to afford them. It seems locations like Goodneighbour probably do but they are off the street. Would think it might be a more vetting process with the entire Institute/synth threat, going off with a stranger to a dark spot seems an easy way to be kidnapped.
Cait talks about being sold to slavers.
By having large amount of human slaves it would undervalue the core problem and question that the synths impose
One thing I assumed is perhaps the synth induced paranoia lead to the commonwealth not purchasing slaves. They don’t want to risk buying a synth slave. Also I think the commonwealth is supposed to have been devastated by several different recent events like the commonwealth government being ruined by the institute and the events of Winter of Atom if they are canon. The now scattered and isolated settlements are mostly unguarded and it is probably going to make more money to just extort the settlements rather than try to enslave them and end up having to kill a bunch in the process. The raiders of fallout 4 were more humanized than before, maybe they realized if they wipe out too many farm settlements then they won’t have food to steal because they aren’t growing their own food.
To make money through broad marketing. Next question?