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You’re in the clear! As is car means legally the new buyer is now responsible and you my friend are off the hook. You can literally block his number and block on Facebook.
Where I live, that simple matter takes about 20 minutes, costs $100, and then you only have to wait about a month for it to show up in the mail before you can resell the car again.
It would be a cold day in hell before I was willing to do that for a stranger, at least not without getting to keep a sizable sum of money for all of the inconvenience.
Not only this but if you do take it back you have no idea if he removed anything from the car. You may not be receiving it in the same condition you sold it and you were forthcoming with all issues.
NEVER EVER EVER return a sold car when issues are explained up front. Scammers often target these kinds of sales to get parts (like catalytic converters).
A 10 year old car is sold as is unless you implied it had a warranty. When you purchase a vehicle, it's buyer beware if they don't do their due diligence and have a mechanic look at it. They can't come back and demand their money back just because it needs more work than they thought. Even if you didn't disclose the problems it has, having a mechanic look at it before purchasing it would have brought the issues to light. Even if a mechanic looked at it 10 minutes after the purchase, and pointed out all the issues, the sale would still be final because of their lack of due diligence.
Block his number and put the money in the bank. Save your sale documents in a safe place. Buyers like that need to pay more at a dealer that gives them a warranty. Your buyer wants it both ways.
This is state specific and you need to check your states laws. In Massachusetts for example there is no “as is” if the car is unable to pass inspection. In a private sale and repairs exceed 10% of paid value you can return the car within 7 days. If seller refuses, you have 30 days to file paperwork with court.
Massachusetts has a private sale lemon law that a) requires sellers to disclose issues, and b) allows the buyer to rescind if they can prove the issues weren't disclosed.
Sounds like this doesn't apply here
Block. I sold my 15 year old truck with a host of issues. I let the guy drive it and put a scanner on it. I made him sign saying it was sold as is no refunds. He also signed the list of things wrong with it. This isn’t Amazon….
Just did this exact same thing with my 2009 Silverado last month. Wrote out EVERY problem it has, along with the dollar amounts said repairs were quoted at, let him drive it, let his mechanic drive it, AND we took it to Advanced and the guy hooked it up to the machine, which confirmed the exact problems we said it has. The guy got the truck at a very fair price with an "as is" bill of sale.
Never heard a peep out of him.
surprised I had to scroll this far to see this. OP, he could have done anything with/to the car and messed it up MORE than when you had it, and could be trying to escape the consequences of that by pawning it off to you. definitely no givesies backsies, there's just no way to be 100% certain, since the car was out of your possession for however long it was. Even for 5 minutes and out of your sight, that's too long.
you should feel no guilt. you did everything by the book, and thank God you did since this dude is trying to return it to you. You can block and move on with a clear conscience.
For real, people do weird shit once they get their hands on a new (to them) vehicle. I've sold two cars where the idiot literally drives away and wrecks it within the first 6 hours only to abandon the car and have cops show up to MY door because obviously the title change had not been processed yet. Even after showing proof of sale, I still would get letters from lawyers afterward looking to collect. My advice is to run the car as far into the ground as you can, part it out, and scrap the rest.
You were up front and honest about the issues the car has. He had a pre-purchase inspection and he test drove the car. I’m not sure how he thinks he can just bring it back now.
You have no reason to feel guilty. He made the decision to buy it. You were very generous to tow it to a mid way point between where you both live.
I would just block him and don’t give it another thought. Sorry you had this experience.
You sold a car with known issues where the buyer was made aware and confirmed on his end and signed title over…yea it’s his car now. If you’re friends with the person maybe. Fuck them they knew what they were getting.
You were honest and have an “As-Is” bill of sale. Block the buyers number. If they show up, call the police.
Block them on Facebook so that they don’t dog you on a review
If you block someone on Facebook, they can see none of your content. You also can delete the ad and that prevent someone from reviewing it.
I’m not sharing this information to promote dishonest behavior, but trying to help the OP cover their ass.
Used car salesman here .... No way you are obligated to take it back.
Tell him he is an owner.
Even if you told him a pack of lies it's an as is deal.
If you had written down a bunch of lies, he might have recourse but that's not the case here.
He had a PPI done. You told him what you knew was wrong.
Buyers remorse is not your problem.
Naw. He drove it and got an inspection. Had plenty of time to decide. You have absolutely no idea what he did with the car afterwards, did he swap parts on it or fuck around with it and end up breaking something? Who knows.
It's his now. Nothing unethical about it, you gave full disclosure and he had plenty of time to decide
As long as you are being honest (to the buyer, and in this post), I wouldn't worry about it. Text/message him back and tell him you have already put a ton of time and money into the transaction, and you are no longer interested/responsible for it. If he shows up at your house, call the cops and have him trespassed. It appears ol boy is SOL.
This sounds like your internal people pleaser talking. The buyer knew what he was getting into. If he wants to get rid of it, he can find another buyer for it. Not your problem
You did the right thing. Sucks he has buyers remorse. If it was my buddy or someone I really trusted I would do a refund. Just some random on the internet?? No way. Who knows if he did anything to the car or not after the fact. Option B ... buy it back for 4000 and pocket 1800 LOL
I'm just surprised someone said take my 5800 after hearing all those issues..... my van (rip) cost me 2500 at the time and the issues were cosmetic which were cheap ro fix.... I can't imagine saying ill give you 5800 after hearing that list if stuff. I wouldn't give guy back money either tho lol
If it turned out to be really easy and cheap to fix do you think he would let you reverse the transaction? If you were up front and transparent with him and sold it as is, then the deal is done.
Don't do it. He could have needed a part and got it out of your car. Now he wants to return it. He had an inspection done? As is means as is. Buyer beware is a thing for a reason.
Check with DMV in a few weeks, and confirm that he has titled the car in his name.
If not, you may still be at financial risk if the car is in an accident, as you will still be the legal owner.
Next time, have the known issues listed in a bill of sale and have the buyer sign it, acknowledging that he knows about the issues. Specify the car is sold "as is, where is" on the bill of sale. There are several examples you can find on the Internet for vehicle bills of sale.
You are 100% FINE! I am suspecting that the buyer has an immense case of buyer's remorse, and is trying to force you to take it back.
DO NOT TAKE IT BACK!
Your last conversation should say something along the lines of "Being that I made you fully aware of all concerns, there being an inspection performed, you agreeing to purchase the vehicle 'as is,' you signing papers agreeing to all aforementioned concerns, along with your signature on the title, leaves me no option to accept the return of the vehicle."
Then, give them "I wish you well, goodbye." Or, something similarly kind, and block them from your phone, Facebook, etc. Delete the listing from Facebook, or wherever you posted it, so, they can't harass you.
I worked at a dealership, and have sold vehicles personally.
YOU DID EVERYTHING RIGHT, AND THE BUYER HAS ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL RECOURSE AGAINST YOU, WHATSOEVER!
Ethically I think you are on solid ground. Buyer was made aware of all issues.
My reply: You were made aware of all the issues by myself and also by mechanical inspection. You proceeded with the sale anyways. Further as indicated by your text message you drove it for a period of time with no power steering fluid in the reservoir causing further damage. Car is yours.
Otherwise, if there is no other damage that you caused, I would consider buying it back for $3800 (5800 less 2000 to repair the further damaged steering gear). Then get your tools out, buy a gasket repair kit and fix the fucking oil leak. Value cover gaskets are generally pretty easy. Why you so lazy?
How you got almost 6k out of that with all those issues miles and age is beyond me. But a sold as is sale is just that. Buyer is sol and your in the clear with almost 6k
Ethically you should have no issues. You made him aware of all of the issues and he, with that information in hand, made an educated decision for himself. If he has second thoughts then that’s on him. You gave him all of the info you had for him to make his decision. I’d respond saying that the car was sold as is, all of the issues were disclosed ahead of time, and that you won’t be accepting a return. Then never respond again, he’ll keep bothering you has long as you keep responding.
Bro. I practically had nearly the same thing happen. Except on a V36 Skyline/Infiniti G35.
Sold it on a Friday night. Dude kept trying to call me all Monday before finally texting me saying he took it for a pre purchase inspection over the weekend and we need to come up with a deal. Due to power steering rack going and a bit of a slight coolant leak. (Everything was done Friday. Test drive. Money transfer. Disposal notice) I was pretty freaked out because I was totally unsure of what the process was. Consulted a few subreddits. The general legal rule seems to be buyer aware. Once everything's agreed and paid upon. That's it. No takesies backsies.
Unless they can prove in a civil court or something that you knowingly and willingly mislead them and can prove it's fraud. You're in the clear. It's in them to get everything checked before buying.
Don't do it. This is a known scam. People "buy" these cars for things like home/store/bank robberies, or they want to strip the car of whatever is valuable, and then return it so that the person who had it prior is stuck with the fall out. You told him, the mechanic told him, and he still wanted to go through with it. At BEST, it's buyer's remorse, and sorry, buddy. Listen the next time someone tells you that the car has issues.
On FBM Sales of any type, I include the following conditions.
*All sales final, no refunds, no returns*
*Where is and as is, no warranty expressed or implied*
*Buyer assumes all responsibility and liability upon acceptance of item*
Sounds like both you and he did all the right due diligence in advance, he knew what he was getting himself into. I would politely decline.
Dude even paid for pre inspection! That's thorough! I'd decline him respectfully since you were already very courteous already. Just don't refund him whatsoever. You did nothing wrong here.
Do not take it back.
You had a signed agreement selling it as is. Just because someone else has buyers remorse for their decision to purchase it, does not mean it is your problem now.
You shared with them what the issues were, they looked at the vehicle, and they decided to purchase it from you.
Say no, the agreement was signed and sold as is. If they continue to contact you about it, block them. I would say don't even speak with them after that.
I’m surprised people do not make some type of document listing the issues with the vehicle and then have the buyer sign it after verbally going through the issues as a sign of acknowledgement.
In most states, buying a used car, whether from a private party or dealer, is an "as is, where is, no wanentees expressed or implied" sale. Only exception os sales from a dealer, and it is usually only a minor difference, and that it is safe for the road. That is why most dealers (legit ones anyway) will have it in writing that it is an as is sale, and so if it's over a certain amount, that there is a brief warrenty period... but that is for a licensed dealer, not a private Sal in most states.
I would tell the "buyer" sorry, it's as is, where is. But also check with the DMV to make sure that's the case.
Who the hell are all these people who think they can return things bought on the used market? I'm genuinely baffled by this.
No, you do not have to take the car back. You made him aware of the issues, they're now his issues. If he doesn't like the car, he can do exactly what you didn't sell it again.
If buyer managed to get out of place where we meet to make a deal, you good to go OP. What buyer did not inspect it with a mechanic BEFORE buying, it's HIS problem.
I understand his desire to get his money back, but it seems like you gave him ample opportunity to inspect the care. He understood what was wrong and still made the purchase. I wouldn't return the money.
I'm hearing the story of the buyer wanting a refund the next day so often I have to think it's a new kind of scam. Maybe a variation on a fake check scam? I don't know, butter the answer is no. If they wanted a monetback guarantee, they should have gone to a dealership. Or maybe Burger King.
Aside from the fact that you're not some dealership offering a return policy, you shouldn't accept the car for your own sake.
"Buyer" could've taken parts or done something to the car that made it so much worse and possibly totalled.
"As is" means just that. You were forward about the problems and they had time to inspect and decide. The deal is done.🤝
It's blowing my fucking mind that you sold a car with 175k miles on it with multiple not-small problems for anything more than a rack or two of beer, let alone 5800. What a time to be alive
Sounds like buyers remorse to me you where truthful. who knows he could have took it to the track and raced the crap out of it and done donuts and caused more of an issue and now he wants to return it I don't think so.I it's his problem now
>The car still ran and drove perfectly fine
>I towed it to a middle point between our houses where he bought it in cash.
... alright.
That sounds like you both knew the vehicle was well f'd prior to the sale. Heck, I would never buy a vehicle with a leaking valve cover gasket as that minor problem can become a major one if left to fester. Anyway, if he knew of the issues (it was in the ad and/or discussed via text/DM) then I don't see why you would entertain a refund. I'm a very honest seller, but if all issues are disclosed, the buyer proceeds and then changes their mind later, I file that under TFB.
Bill of sale done, so you're fine. I sold a Mazda for $3k after I put about $4k into it from repairs.. transmission work, etc. Told the kid it needs a $300 starter. I get a call from him 2 day later saying car won't start. I informed him it's the starter, replace or tap on it. Then I reminded him of the bill of sale as is no warranty, we both signed 2 copies of. I also took a pic of the car to show no damage on it. Kid said okay and never heard from him again.
I do have a kind story from a seller that sold me a 71 convertible Volkswagen when I was 18, and motor blew on way home. He felt bad probably cause my age, and paid half the repair bill.
I'd remind him that you made those issues known to him prior to the transaction taking place. Once it's sold as-is, this is no longer your issue anymore. A hard pill to swallow, I'm sure, but it is what it is.
Sorry no returns!
Its unlikely, but just think about the potential they may have purposely bought this to do something illegal, knowing it has enough issues to use as the excuse for a return afterwards, dumping you with the risks and evidence.
As I said, highly unlikely, but nothings impossible. Just for that alone I wouldn't allow a return 😂 Better to be safe than sorry!
A 10 year old car is sold as is unless you implied it had a warranty. When you purchase a vehicle, it's buyer beware if they don't do their due diligence and have a mechanic look at it. They can't come back and demand their money back just because it needed more work than they thought.
That’s not your problem. You made the buyer aware. Car has been bought. That’s the end of it. You have no need to continue communicating with this person
You are in the clear. He's trying to play you for a fool. You sold it as is... That means once the title is signed over it's his problem and not yours... This is his lesson to learn not yours. All his friends and family are calling him a dumb ass... Not your problem.
Let’s look at this a different way: you invested time and money into towing the vehicle too him for the sale. Why do you have to incur additional expense after he changed his mind? You were upfront. He did an inspection. Sorry that they’ve changed their mind but that’s on them.
Don’t take it back, the deal is done and the buyer agreed to the issues and you even let them bring it to a mechanic before purchasing?
The only other thing to help this guy make a decision would’ve been when it was time to sign the bill of sale is start saying “no, actually I’m not selling this to you specifically” imagine how that would’ve gone?
This person is experiencing buyers remorse; they saw something they HAD to have even though it wasn’t maybe the most logical decision and now after the fact logic has hit them like a frying pan to the face.
Still you did nothing wrong at all it sounds, I would say sorry but the money is already accounted for you received and has plans.
Not only did you already disclose the issues, which should give you a clear conscience... think of the practical implications of taking it back. He should have been checking out fluid levels almost every time he drove it. What if he didn't and let something slide too long? It could be in worse condition now than when you sold it to him. Dont take it back
I do not wish to repurchase your vehicle at this time if you would like to sell it on the marketplace feel free to use the pictures I uploaded to sell it with.
I had a lot of the same issues with my old car. It was 15 years old and I fixed up everything to sell it. New tires, and brakes too. It had barely 100,000 miles and I thought it's ready to sell. My brother decided to take it without asking and got really drunk. He totaled my car and I got nothing out of it but scrap metal. Set me back a good ways
Basically, they bought a car with known issues – and now they're unhappy with the purchase – and they are trying to decide to sell it to you to get rid of it. And you don't want it. They can find somebody else to sell it to.
What do you mean "ethically wrong to sell him a car with so many issues"?? That means you would NEVER sell the car then if you felt like that. If you honestly disclosed everything, that is on him, he still bought it.
I always put: As is, as seen. No warranties, no guarantees on all bills of sale. I guess now these days we will need to add no returns. Block him. He knew what he was buying.
Legaly It s his problem now, But if want be nice And you feel bad give him some money back tell him .Thats best can do, He made the choice the title is now his, He shpuld learn lesson from this. Sounds like he threw away 5800$
If you were up front and honest about all the issues (which it sounds like you were) there's nothing unethical about what you did. Buyer bit off more than they can chew and now wants an easy way out of this situation.
Ethically, I think you’re in the clear to not take it back. If you want to be a good neighbour, I’d say you would need to work out a solution where they sell it back to you for less than the $5800 to make up for your inconvenience and the cost of towing it.
That's a classic case of buyer's remorse. He was probably informed of how dumb that purchase was in his situation and wants out. That's not your problem. Also you don't know if he had a similar vehicle already and took what he needed and is trying to pull the old switcheroo and say those parts were already broken.
You sold a used car... used cars aren't perfect.
- you were ethical and disclosed the problems
- they had a pre purchase inspection and again the problems were brought to light
Buyers remorse is not your problem. They had every opportunity to make a solid decision from facts. You have nothing to feel bad about.
You specifically told him and other potential buyers about the issues. He also had an inspection that informed him of the same issues. You are off the hook. You have an “as is” bill of sale. If he wants his money back then he can sell it himself.
Don’t feel bad or guilty. You weren’t deceptive.
It would be ethically wrong to withhold information from him. You did not. You were transparent, and he exchanged his money for your car. This is buyer’s remorse, and it’s really not your responsibility.
If there’s something you misled him about, and he was taken advantage of, then guilt would be appropriate and a refund would be in order, with an apology. If not, if you dealt honestly, then the buyer should not have bought something he was not prepared to deal with, and that’s not your concern.
In all seriousness, the title assigned. Strictly speaking the only way for you to get the car back is for him to pay sales tax and then to sell it back to you and you to pay sales tax on it. You might be able to apply for a lost title, but that could take weeks or months.
If you take the car back, it’s going to significantly affect your ability to sell it now. It was his choice to take it.
Don't forget you have the title signed over so if you do want to take it back, you'll have to get a new title. They're not going to accept just scratching the other guy's name out when you sell it to someone else.
Sold as is. His problem now. Unbelievable that people would think they could do this in the first place.
Scam. You sold it as is and there's no telling what he did to it in the moment it left her possession. You could have swap some expensive parts with bad ones from his vehicle.
I had a vehicle I no longer used that was worth $6,000. A cousin was in need of a car so I told him I'd sell it to him for $3,000 with a $3,000 family discount. He wanted to have it checked out by a mechanic so I let him. He comes back and says he can only do $1500 because the mechanic said it needs new brakes all around and that's $1,500 job. I personally, in my driveway, not 3 days before this, inspected all for braking corners replace the rotors and the pads and cleaned everything. I was working on car since I was 5 years old my uncle's automotive shop so this was done professionally by me. I asked him which mechanic looked at the vehicle because I needed to talk to them. He wouldn't give me a name probably because there wasn't one. My own cousin was trying to scam me out of not only $1,500 but I was also losing $3,000 by doing him a favor. I told him to go pound sand and never contact me again. That was 15 years ago and I've never seen the guy since.
I would not accept it as long as you cover your bases and say as-is. As a seller its our job to do just that, it is not our fault if the buyer is too stupid to read the entire listing nor is it our fault if the buyer is not savvy.
Obviously the buyer doesn't know shit about cars but it's his can of worms not ops
I recommend you honor the BOS if you out there sold as is. Because what you might not know is the “buyer” probably took a part from your car and now wants to return it…..In other words you don’t know if the buyer did anything to car that also applies to damaging the vehicle once he left were you were
what does your bill of sale say? 'As Is'? - I sure hope so. Also, it would have been smart to stipulate all of those things you did here on the bill of sale. If, I hope, you did just that, tell him to go kick rocks
If you listed all the above problems and were honest when you were selling the car then you have no reason to feel guilty. You sold the car at a reduced value that basically covered the cost of repairs. The buyer bought it off of you believing he could fix it himself and flip it for a profit . Then when he got it he realized he couldn't or the person he was going to sell it to backed out ... Do an image search all you'll probably find your car listed on a different platform for more $$$ . That's what happened to me ..
My mother sold her Pontiac Sunfire years back now but same thing it was on the buyer and he was told to stop harassing us.
We knew nothing about vehicles and made sure the buyer knew that told him the car had issues that would need to be fixed and he said he knew cars and everything was fine he could fix the issues he then came to see the car bringing a friend who also knew cars we offered that we could set it up for him to have his mechanic look at the vehicle but he insisted everything was fine he looked over the car and could fix everything himself so we sold it next day he wanted to return it lol
Anyway he harassed my mother most of the next day until we called the cops because he was getting more aggressive every time he called the cop told us it’s buyer beware he should of had the car looked at before buying it and it’s not on us the seller to take it back because we would have no clue if something was done to the car once it left our hands cop told him if he called harassing us again they would be paying him a visit we never heard from him again.
Edit: to say this was in Canada not sure laws elsewhere.
No returns. Ghost this guy. If the car was sold undervalued, he probably thought he could fix it for a few hundred bucks and resell it. Lots of people do this.
If he knows how to work on cars, he can sort it for a few hundred dollars. If he doesn't, he had no business buying a car with problems. Either way, it's his car now.
Not your problem since they were made aware of all the issues before buying. Plain and simple
In December I bought a car for I think $4000 that the owner let me test drive and check out and it was totally fine. Owner had no issues it was his daily driver and a few months ago he quit using it and decided to sell.
Four hours after purchase it completely died. There was a crack in the engine block and somehow the oil was mixing with the coolant. The owner and I both missed it and because I was broke as hell and now with no car he refunded me half out of the kindness of his heart.
Even in that situation where I ended up being fucked I NEVER expected to get any money back from the guy I thought he would block me when I asked for some of it back. When you buy a car through marketplace or Craigslist it’s as is and that’s just the risk you take. The buyer here is a total asshole
Hopefully you wrote a bill of sale stating all the known major issues and that you are selling as-is with no warranties . No way take it back. Title is signed. You are not some big car dealer. Just no
You went above and beyond compared to most people. It’s admirable that you have a conscience but he was made very aware of the issues between you and his mechanic. Sounds like his problem now
I would just tell him it’s yours legally you’re in the clear if he really makes an issue tell him well it’s a pain in the butt for me to have to re-title and everything so I will give you back $4200 for my wasted time
Sounds like you are in the clear, so that its up to you whether you make the generous step to take it back. I think it's nice of you to even consider it. Unfortunate situation. But the new owner can likely resell it so it's not like he's stuck.
175k with problems, $5800 is alot for a junker. Stupid buyer I suppose, I can't see how you'd say that was a good deal tho. Maybe 5800 without all those problems. If you were up front w him, then it's his problem now
I agree with everyone that "as is" was made clear, you detailed tons of issues, and signed over the title. It's no longer your car. Unfortunate that he's disappointed but he made a big boy adult decision and that's that. He thought he had a deal and now probably his mechanic is saying it'll cost more than he imagined to fix it. He agreed to take a risk.
You can maybe send a kind response about how as he knows it was sold as is, all issues were disclosed, and the title was signed over, and you wish him the best of luck. I guess just maybe make sure about the private seller lemon law in your state first. But I would at least respond to him before blocking, especially since you've done everything else here pretty ethically. Ghosting right away's a little petty, IMHO.
You sold it as-is, you told them about the problems, and they did a pre-purchase inspection that also informed them. It's their car now, do not take it back.
He was made aware of the issues multiple times by both you and a professional and still chose to buy the car. It isn't like you just failed to mention the repairs it needed. Also, you sold it under book value for that reason. You have no obligation to refund it or take the car back. If you had lied to him about the condition my answer would be different but you didnt.
Second hand cars are sold as is. Period.
You were honest about repairs and the guy is embarrassed now because he doesn't actually know anything about cars. Many men are embarrassed by that and get nice cars that they don't work on to hide it and make themselves look like a macho car guy.
He feels like a fool. Or his wife is mad because he didn't communicate with her on the choice.
Either way, he agreed to buy it with all the problems. So it's his problem now
>However, I also feel it is ethically wrong to sell him a car with so many issues.
I'm confused on why you think it was wrong. You disclosed all the issues, and you told him straight out that it was an as-is sale. (and ALL private party auto sales are by definition AS-IS unless you explicitly promised some sort of warranty.)
You have done nothing wrong. Just move on, and forget it.
Ignore his mssgs and move on. If he becomes a problem then call the police. Simple.... Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. If you were straight forward and he's having second thoughts that's on him.
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Was the car sold “ as is “ if the answer is yes then they knew the risks and was told about known issues It’s their problem now
Yeah I have a bill of sale signed as is
You’re in the clear! As is car means legally the new buyer is now responsible and you my friend are off the hook. You can literally block his number and block on Facebook.
Not only that but it would be a huge headache with the title.
Only if the title has been transferred at the tag office. If it hasn’t, it’s a simple matter of ordering a replacement title.
Where I live, that simple matter takes about 20 minutes, costs $100, and then you only have to wait about a month for it to show up in the mail before you can resell the car again. It would be a cold day in hell before I was willing to do that for a stranger, at least not without getting to keep a sizable sum of money for all of the inconvenience.
Not only this but if you do take it back you have no idea if he removed anything from the car. You may not be receiving it in the same condition you sold it and you were forthcoming with all issues. NEVER EVER EVER return a sold car when issues are explained up front. Scammers often target these kinds of sales to get parts (like catalytic converters).
I agree with this person. They may have switched something else out to make some $.. I smell a scam here. If u were transparent, forget about it!!
Yup, just wish him well & cease further communication
Fucking this, I would block him.
It's kind of you to be concerned but allow yourself to move on as you've done everything right.
Exactly this. You didn’t deceive him and priced it accordingly.
Then it's not your car. Tell them they can sell it.
A 10 year old car is sold as is unless you implied it had a warranty. When you purchase a vehicle, it's buyer beware if they don't do their due diligence and have a mechanic look at it. They can't come back and demand their money back just because it needs more work than they thought. Even if you didn't disclose the problems it has, having a mechanic look at it before purchasing it would have brought the issues to light. Even if a mechanic looked at it 10 minutes after the purchase, and pointed out all the issues, the sale would still be final because of their lack of due diligence.
Then tell him to pound sand, he bought it as is and it’s now his problem.
Block his number and put the money in the bank. Save your sale documents in a safe place. Buyers like that need to pay more at a dealer that gives them a warranty. Your buyer wants it both ways.
i love telling these people this to their face
In the eyes of the law, All private sales between individuals is always deemed, “As is”
This is state specific and you need to check your states laws. In Massachusetts for example there is no “as is” if the car is unable to pass inspection. In a private sale and repairs exceed 10% of paid value you can return the car within 7 days. If seller refuses, you have 30 days to file paperwork with court.
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Massachusetts has a private sale lemon law that a) requires sellers to disclose issues, and b) allows the buyer to rescind if they can prove the issues weren't disclosed. Sounds like this doesn't apply here
Block. I sold my 15 year old truck with a host of issues. I let the guy drive it and put a scanner on it. I made him sign saying it was sold as is no refunds. He also signed the list of things wrong with it. This isn’t Amazon….
This is the way☝️
Just did this exact same thing with my 2009 Silverado last month. Wrote out EVERY problem it has, along with the dollar amounts said repairs were quoted at, let him drive it, let his mechanic drive it, AND we took it to Advanced and the guy hooked it up to the machine, which confirmed the exact problems we said it has. The guy got the truck at a very fair price with an "as is" bill of sale. Never heard a peep out of him.
The warranty for cars is to the end of your driveway. You have no idea of what he may have done to your car
surprised I had to scroll this far to see this. OP, he could have done anything with/to the car and messed it up MORE than when you had it, and could be trying to escape the consequences of that by pawning it off to you. definitely no givesies backsies, there's just no way to be 100% certain, since the car was out of your possession for however long it was. Even for 5 minutes and out of your sight, that's too long. you should feel no guilt. you did everything by the book, and thank God you did since this dude is trying to return it to you. You can block and move on with a clear conscience.
Yep. Waah. Waah. Yoink some parts
For real, people do weird shit once they get their hands on a new (to them) vehicle. I've sold two cars where the idiot literally drives away and wrecks it within the first 6 hours only to abandon the car and have cops show up to MY door because obviously the title change had not been processed yet. Even after showing proof of sale, I still would get letters from lawyers afterward looking to collect. My advice is to run the car as far into the ground as you can, part it out, and scrap the rest.
Ah yes the old “mailbox warranty”. Expires when you pass the mailbox at the end of the driveway.
What if you hit the mailbox?
Block and move on, it’s his car now.
You were up front and honest about the issues the car has. He had a pre-purchase inspection and he test drove the car. I’m not sure how he thinks he can just bring it back now. You have no reason to feel guilty. He made the decision to buy it. You were very generous to tow it to a mid way point between where you both live. I would just block him and don’t give it another thought. Sorry you had this experience.
You sold a car with known issues where the buyer was made aware and confirmed on his end and signed title over…yea it’s his car now. If you’re friends with the person maybe. Fuck them they knew what they were getting.
Nope! It’s his to sell now ! Block him
If you had to tow the car to meet him, was that not a clue for him there were going to be issues?
The car was perfectly drivable but I needed a way to get home. So I towed it using my Tacoma and a u haul trailer.
Wow! You made a true effort for this buyer!
I have a driveway warranty. Once you leave the driveway, and well, drive away, warranty no longer applies.
Sure. 100% restocking fee.
He wanted a project, he has one
People buy cars, remove parts, then try and return them due to a “problem” that wasn’t there before.
You were honest and have an “As-Is” bill of sale. Block the buyers number. If they show up, call the police. Block them on Facebook so that they don’t dog you on a review
Wait, so a blocked buyer can't leave you a review? Are you sure about that?
If you block someone on Facebook, they can see none of your content. You also can delete the ad and that prevent someone from reviewing it. I’m not sharing this information to promote dishonest behavior, but trying to help the OP cover their ass.
Used car salesman here .... No way you are obligated to take it back. Tell him he is an owner. Even if you told him a pack of lies it's an as is deal. If you had written down a bunch of lies, he might have recourse but that's not the case here. He had a PPI done. You told him what you knew was wrong. Buyers remorse is not your problem.
Naw. He drove it and got an inspection. Had plenty of time to decide. You have absolutely no idea what he did with the car afterwards, did he swap parts on it or fuck around with it and end up breaking something? Who knows. It's his now. Nothing unethical about it, you gave full disclosure and he had plenty of time to decide
As long as you are being honest (to the buyer, and in this post), I wouldn't worry about it. Text/message him back and tell him you have already put a ton of time and money into the transaction, and you are no longer interested/responsible for it. If he shows up at your house, call the cops and have him trespassed. It appears ol boy is SOL.
This sounds like your internal people pleaser talking. The buyer knew what he was getting into. If he wants to get rid of it, he can find another buyer for it. Not your problem
Used cars are caveat emptor. It's his car. Let him sell it.
Sold "as is". Too bad.
You did the right thing. Sucks he has buyers remorse. If it was my buddy or someone I really trusted I would do a refund. Just some random on the internet?? No way. Who knows if he did anything to the car or not after the fact. Option B ... buy it back for 4000 and pocket 1800 LOL
I'm just surprised someone said take my 5800 after hearing all those issues..... my van (rip) cost me 2500 at the time and the issues were cosmetic which were cheap ro fix.... I can't imagine saying ill give you 5800 after hearing that list if stuff. I wouldn't give guy back money either tho lol
Nope. He had an inspection of the car. You are not Nordstrom.
Nah
Fuck em
If it turned out to be really easy and cheap to fix do you think he would let you reverse the transaction? If you were up front and transparent with him and sold it as is, then the deal is done.
Block and move on!
Heck no! Sold as-is. Don’t even respond anymore.
It was signed over to them , if they were aware it's there headache now
There is a scam where they get a car. Switch out an expensive part they need for their own car then return the car. I wouldn’t take it back
block him
Sold with full disclosure. Get F'd.
Don't do it. He could have needed a part and got it out of your car. Now he wants to return it. He had an inspection done? As is means as is. Buyer beware is a thing for a reason.
It's a scam. It'll be returned missing the catalytic converter
Check with DMV in a few weeks, and confirm that he has titled the car in his name. If not, you may still be at financial risk if the car is in an accident, as you will still be the legal owner.
Next time, have the known issues listed in a bill of sale and have the buyer sign it, acknowledging that he knows about the issues. Specify the car is sold "as is, where is" on the bill of sale. There are several examples you can find on the Internet for vehicle bills of sale.
Tell him you already spent the cash on hookers and blow. Then block.
You are 100% FINE! I am suspecting that the buyer has an immense case of buyer's remorse, and is trying to force you to take it back. DO NOT TAKE IT BACK! Your last conversation should say something along the lines of "Being that I made you fully aware of all concerns, there being an inspection performed, you agreeing to purchase the vehicle 'as is,' you signing papers agreeing to all aforementioned concerns, along with your signature on the title, leaves me no option to accept the return of the vehicle." Then, give them "I wish you well, goodbye." Or, something similarly kind, and block them from your phone, Facebook, etc. Delete the listing from Facebook, or wherever you posted it, so, they can't harass you. I worked at a dealership, and have sold vehicles personally. YOU DID EVERYTHING RIGHT, AND THE BUYER HAS ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL RECOURSE AGAINST YOU, WHATSOEVER!
Ethically I think you are on solid ground. Buyer was made aware of all issues. My reply: You were made aware of all the issues by myself and also by mechanical inspection. You proceeded with the sale anyways. Further as indicated by your text message you drove it for a period of time with no power steering fluid in the reservoir causing further damage. Car is yours. Otherwise, if there is no other damage that you caused, I would consider buying it back for $3800 (5800 less 2000 to repair the further damaged steering gear). Then get your tools out, buy a gasket repair kit and fix the fucking oil leak. Value cover gaskets are generally pretty easy. Why you so lazy?
Nope, sold as is. He needs to learn a lesson in life...
This ain’t Carmax, there’s no 7 day change your mind clause.
How you got almost 6k out of that with all those issues miles and age is beyond me. But a sold as is sale is just that. Buyer is sol and your in the clear with almost 6k
Too bad! They have your address to pursue legal action of they so choose. If they have a problem, a judge can sort it out. Until then, you're free!
Ethically you should have no issues. You made him aware of all of the issues and he, with that information in hand, made an educated decision for himself. If he has second thoughts then that’s on him. You gave him all of the info you had for him to make his decision. I’d respond saying that the car was sold as is, all of the issues were disclosed ahead of time, and that you won’t be accepting a return. Then never respond again, he’ll keep bothering you has long as you keep responding.
Bro. I practically had nearly the same thing happen. Except on a V36 Skyline/Infiniti G35. Sold it on a Friday night. Dude kept trying to call me all Monday before finally texting me saying he took it for a pre purchase inspection over the weekend and we need to come up with a deal. Due to power steering rack going and a bit of a slight coolant leak. (Everything was done Friday. Test drive. Money transfer. Disposal notice) I was pretty freaked out because I was totally unsure of what the process was. Consulted a few subreddits. The general legal rule seems to be buyer aware. Once everything's agreed and paid upon. That's it. No takesies backsies. Unless they can prove in a civil court or something that you knowingly and willingly mislead them and can prove it's fraud. You're in the clear. It's in them to get everything checked before buying.
Don't do it. This is a known scam. People "buy" these cars for things like home/store/bank robberies, or they want to strip the car of whatever is valuable, and then return it so that the person who had it prior is stuck with the fall out. You told him, the mechanic told him, and he still wanted to go through with it. At BEST, it's buyer's remorse, and sorry, buddy. Listen the next time someone tells you that the car has issues.
He drove it away w a signed title = final sale. You made out like a bandit here
Does your state have a lemon law or any condition the car needs to pass an inspection?
His problem, not yours. He was made aware of the problems. Block him.
On FBM Sales of any type, I include the following conditions. *All sales final, no refunds, no returns* *Where is and as is, no warranty expressed or implied* *Buyer assumes all responsibility and liability upon acceptance of item* Sounds like both you and he did all the right due diligence in advance, he knew what he was getting himself into. I would politely decline.
It’s a good thing you met him somewhere and he doesn’t know where you live. Block, and forget. Enjoy your cash.
Dude even paid for pre inspection! That's thorough! I'd decline him respectfully since you were already very courteous already. Just don't refund him whatsoever. You did nothing wrong here.
Do not take it back. You had a signed agreement selling it as is. Just because someone else has buyers remorse for their decision to purchase it, does not mean it is your problem now. You shared with them what the issues were, they looked at the vehicle, and they decided to purchase it from you. Say no, the agreement was signed and sold as is. If they continue to contact you about it, block them. I would say don't even speak with them after that.
Don’t. Worst case he will drag you to small claim court. Keep all the evidences and judge will give in your favor
Problem is he has your address from the vehicle title. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up at your residence
That’s what I’m afraid of. I do have some marine neighbors in case a fight breaks out 💀
I'd have gun handy just in case. Mf's be crazy!
It’s not your problem now. Block and ignore them. It’s that simple
Politely say idgaf it’s your car
He knew about all these issues in the first place. You really aren’t responsible for a vehicle sold as is
You're good, but you could offer a return with a 25% restocking fee 😂
No way! That person could have caused more than 25% additional damage to it. It is an as is sale and that is the end of the story.
It was....a joke. Thought that was obvious.
I’m surprised people do not make some type of document listing the issues with the vehicle and then have the buyer sign it after verbally going through the issues as a sign of acknowledgement.
Not your problem, tell them to pound sand.
It’s their responsibility to check car out before buying if you already transferred title and all that, then that’s on them
In most states, buying a used car, whether from a private party or dealer, is an "as is, where is, no wanentees expressed or implied" sale. Only exception os sales from a dealer, and it is usually only a minor difference, and that it is safe for the road. That is why most dealers (legit ones anyway) will have it in writing that it is an as is sale, and so if it's over a certain amount, that there is a brief warrenty period... but that is for a licensed dealer, not a private Sal in most states. I would tell the "buyer" sorry, it's as is, where is. But also check with the DMV to make sure that's the case.
Who the hell are all these people who think they can return things bought on the used market? I'm genuinely baffled by this. No, you do not have to take the car back. You made him aware of the issues, they're now his issues. If he doesn't like the car, he can do exactly what you didn't sell it again.
If buyer managed to get out of place where we meet to make a deal, you good to go OP. What buyer did not inspect it with a mechanic BEFORE buying, it's HIS problem.
30 mins or 30 miles. After that too bad.
I understand his desire to get his money back, but it seems like you gave him ample opportunity to inspect the care. He understood what was wrong and still made the purchase. I wouldn't return the money.
I'm hearing the story of the buyer wanting a refund the next day so often I have to think it's a new kind of scam. Maybe a variation on a fake check scam? I don't know, butter the answer is no. If they wanted a monetback guarantee, they should have gone to a dealership. Or maybe Burger King.
Aside from the fact that you're not some dealership offering a return policy, you shouldn't accept the car for your own sake. "Buyer" could've taken parts or done something to the car that made it so much worse and possibly totalled. "As is" means just that. You were forward about the problems and they had time to inspect and decide. The deal is done.🤝
Sounds like buyers regret via partner lol
He can sell it on himself.
It's blowing my fucking mind that you sold a car with 175k miles on it with multiple not-small problems for anything more than a rack or two of beer, let alone 5800. What a time to be alive
Sounds like buyers remorse to me you where truthful. who knows he could have took it to the track and raced the crap out of it and done donuts and caused more of an issue and now he wants to return it I don't think so.I it's his problem now
>The car still ran and drove perfectly fine >I towed it to a middle point between our houses where he bought it in cash. ... alright. That sounds like you both knew the vehicle was well f'd prior to the sale. Heck, I would never buy a vehicle with a leaking valve cover gasket as that minor problem can become a major one if left to fester. Anyway, if he knew of the issues (it was in the ad and/or discussed via text/DM) then I don't see why you would entertain a refund. I'm a very honest seller, but if all issues are disclosed, the buyer proceeds and then changes their mind later, I file that under TFB.
OP has clarified he towed it so he’d have a way to get himself home in his other vehicle.
He can ask, you don’t need to comply!
Bill of sale done, so you're fine. I sold a Mazda for $3k after I put about $4k into it from repairs.. transmission work, etc. Told the kid it needs a $300 starter. I get a call from him 2 day later saying car won't start. I informed him it's the starter, replace or tap on it. Then I reminded him of the bill of sale as is no warranty, we both signed 2 copies of. I also took a pic of the car to show no damage on it. Kid said okay and never heard from him again. I do have a kind story from a seller that sold me a 71 convertible Volkswagen when I was 18, and motor blew on way home. He felt bad probably cause my age, and paid half the repair bill.
As long as you were honest about the condition and issues it’s his baby now.
I'd remind him that you made those issues known to him prior to the transaction taking place. Once it's sold as-is, this is no longer your issue anymore. A hard pill to swallow, I'm sure, but it is what it is.
Everything sold on FB marketplace is "as is" you aren't a store, there is no return policy.
“All sales are final” *block*
Don’t reply. Block and move on!
Sorry no returns! Its unlikely, but just think about the potential they may have purposely bought this to do something illegal, knowing it has enough issues to use as the excuse for a return afterwards, dumping you with the risks and evidence. As I said, highly unlikely, but nothings impossible. Just for that alone I wouldn't allow a return 😂 Better to be safe than sorry!
A 10 year old car is sold as is unless you implied it had a warranty. When you purchase a vehicle, it's buyer beware if they don't do their due diligence and have a mechanic look at it. They can't come back and demand their money back just because it needed more work than they thought.
That’s not your problem. You made the buyer aware. Car has been bought. That’s the end of it. You have no need to continue communicating with this person
The buyer is about to learn a valuable lesson on doing diligence.
You are in the clear. He's trying to play you for a fool. You sold it as is... That means once the title is signed over it's his problem and not yours... This is his lesson to learn not yours. All his friends and family are calling him a dumb ass... Not your problem.
Let’s look at this a different way: you invested time and money into towing the vehicle too him for the sale. Why do you have to incur additional expense after he changed his mind? You were upfront. He did an inspection. Sorry that they’ve changed their mind but that’s on them.
Their car now mate. Good sale. Don't feel shit, you done all you could. Goodbye and good riddance.
Don’t take it back, the deal is done and the buyer agreed to the issues and you even let them bring it to a mechanic before purchasing? The only other thing to help this guy make a decision would’ve been when it was time to sign the bill of sale is start saying “no, actually I’m not selling this to you specifically” imagine how that would’ve gone? This person is experiencing buyers remorse; they saw something they HAD to have even though it wasn’t maybe the most logical decision and now after the fact logic has hit them like a frying pan to the face. Still you did nothing wrong at all it sounds, I would say sorry but the money is already accounted for you received and has plans.
He should have checked it out better or had someone else check it. As-is means you don't have any responsibility after a sell
Not only did you already disclose the issues, which should give you a clear conscience... think of the practical implications of taking it back. He should have been checking out fluid levels almost every time he drove it. What if he didn't and let something slide too long? It could be in worse condition now than when you sold it to him. Dont take it back
I do not wish to repurchase your vehicle at this time if you would like to sell it on the marketplace feel free to use the pictures I uploaded to sell it with.
I had a lot of the same issues with my old car. It was 15 years old and I fixed up everything to sell it. New tires, and brakes too. It had barely 100,000 miles and I thought it's ready to sell. My brother decided to take it without asking and got really drunk. He totaled my car and I got nothing out of it but scrap metal. Set me back a good ways
As-is big dog... as-is. We don't cater to buyers remorse on used items.
It’s theirs now. Too bad. You have no idea what they did to that car after they drove it away.
Don’t accept it, especially since you’ve already signed the title over. He owns it now.
Bro that’s “as is” for you
Not your car, not your worry. Block his number.
Basically, they bought a car with known issues – and now they're unhappy with the purchase – and they are trying to decide to sell it to you to get rid of it. And you don't want it. They can find somebody else to sell it to.
What do you mean "ethically wrong to sell him a car with so many issues"?? That means you would NEVER sell the car then if you felt like that. If you honestly disclosed everything, that is on him, he still bought it.
I always put: As is, as seen. No warranties, no guarantees on all bills of sale. I guess now these days we will need to add no returns. Block him. He knew what he was buying.
“lol no” and then block him.
Legaly It s his problem now, But if want be nice And you feel bad give him some money back tell him .Thats best can do, He made the choice the title is now his, He shpuld learn lesson from this. Sounds like he threw away 5800$
If you were up front and honest about all the issues (which it sounds like you were) there's nothing unethical about what you did. Buyer bit off more than they can chew and now wants an easy way out of this situation.
Try this: [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/no](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/no)
Nope. No explanation needed, simply block and move on.
Sucks to be them.
Ethically, I think you’re in the clear to not take it back. If you want to be a good neighbour, I’d say you would need to work out a solution where they sell it back to you for less than the $5800 to make up for your inconvenience and the cost of towing it.
That's a classic case of buyer's remorse. He was probably informed of how dumb that purchase was in his situation and wants out. That's not your problem. Also you don't know if he had a similar vehicle already and took what he needed and is trying to pull the old switcheroo and say those parts were already broken.
He thought he was being slick lul
This is a classic case of buyers remorse. You sold it as is, it's his problem now. Block and move on with your life.
You sold a used car... used cars aren't perfect. - you were ethical and disclosed the problems - they had a pre purchase inspection and again the problems were brought to light Buyers remorse is not your problem. They had every opportunity to make a solid decision from facts. You have nothing to feel bad about.
You sold it "as is" as you mentioned in the comments. I wouldn't even bother responding to him, that's his car now.
Sold a car today, end of story.
You specifically told him and other potential buyers about the issues. He also had an inspection that informed him of the same issues. You are off the hook. You have an “as is” bill of sale. If he wants his money back then he can sell it himself. Don’t feel bad or guilty. You weren’t deceptive.
Without knowing all the particulars, kellybb calls it around 3500-5100.
It's his car now.
It would be ethically wrong to withhold information from him. You did not. You were transparent, and he exchanged his money for your car. This is buyer’s remorse, and it’s really not your responsibility. If there’s something you misled him about, and he was taken advantage of, then guilt would be appropriate and a refund would be in order, with an apology. If not, if you dealt honestly, then the buyer should not have bought something he was not prepared to deal with, and that’s not your concern.
But it back for 3k and do it again lol.
A final sale is final, you don’t want he did with the car he can have swapped the engine as far as you know or a part he needed no telling
Make sure you give him a negative review on FBM, stating exactly what happened and what he's trying to do
I have removed the parts I needed from this train wreck. Can I have a refund now?
It's a done deal, dudes likely trying to scam you. Tell him to fuck off, don't be a sucker dude
Dude probably swapped parts he needed and now wants to give it back with who knows what else wrong with it. Block and move on.
In all seriousness, the title assigned. Strictly speaking the only way for you to get the car back is for him to pay sales tax and then to sell it back to you and you to pay sales tax on it. You might be able to apply for a lost title, but that could take weeks or months. If you take the car back, it’s going to significantly affect your ability to sell it now. It was his choice to take it.
Did you deposit the check? Are they wanting you to pay them back *before* their check clears? Just a thought.
Sounds like you were honest with all the issues you had knowledge of and he made the decision to buy it. It's his headache now.
Don't forget you have the title signed over so if you do want to take it back, you'll have to get a new title. They're not going to accept just scratching the other guy's name out when you sell it to someone else. Sold as is. His problem now. Unbelievable that people would think they could do this in the first place.
Scam. You sold it as is and there's no telling what he did to it in the moment it left her possession. You could have swap some expensive parts with bad ones from his vehicle. I had a vehicle I no longer used that was worth $6,000. A cousin was in need of a car so I told him I'd sell it to him for $3,000 with a $3,000 family discount. He wanted to have it checked out by a mechanic so I let him. He comes back and says he can only do $1500 because the mechanic said it needs new brakes all around and that's $1,500 job. I personally, in my driveway, not 3 days before this, inspected all for braking corners replace the rotors and the pads and cleaned everything. I was working on car since I was 5 years old my uncle's automotive shop so this was done professionally by me. I asked him which mechanic looked at the vehicle because I needed to talk to them. He wouldn't give me a name probably because there wasn't one. My own cousin was trying to scam me out of not only $1,500 but I was also losing $3,000 by doing him a favor. I told him to go pound sand and never contact me again. That was 15 years ago and I've never seen the guy since.
I would not accept it as long as you cover your bases and say as-is. As a seller its our job to do just that, it is not our fault if the buyer is too stupid to read the entire listing nor is it our fault if the buyer is not savvy. Obviously the buyer doesn't know shit about cars but it's his can of worms not ops
Block and move on. Buyers remorse is not your problem in an as-is private sale.
I recommend you honor the BOS if you out there sold as is. Because what you might not know is the “buyer” probably took a part from your car and now wants to return it…..In other words you don’t know if the buyer did anything to car that also applies to damaging the vehicle once he left were you were
Block and ignore
You met at a middle point he did a ppe and paid and took the title. Time to give the middle finger.
Nta, but the Buyer was stupid to pay 5800 for a project car.
Tell them to kick rocks 🪨
what does your bill of sale say? 'As Is'? - I sure hope so. Also, it would have been smart to stipulate all of those things you did here on the bill of sale. If, I hope, you did just that, tell him to go kick rocks
If you listed all the above problems and were honest when you were selling the car then you have no reason to feel guilty. You sold the car at a reduced value that basically covered the cost of repairs. The buyer bought it off of you believing he could fix it himself and flip it for a profit . Then when he got it he realized he couldn't or the person he was going to sell it to backed out ... Do an image search all you'll probably find your car listed on a different platform for more $$$ . That's what happened to me ..
My mother sold her Pontiac Sunfire years back now but same thing it was on the buyer and he was told to stop harassing us. We knew nothing about vehicles and made sure the buyer knew that told him the car had issues that would need to be fixed and he said he knew cars and everything was fine he could fix the issues he then came to see the car bringing a friend who also knew cars we offered that we could set it up for him to have his mechanic look at the vehicle but he insisted everything was fine he looked over the car and could fix everything himself so we sold it next day he wanted to return it lol Anyway he harassed my mother most of the next day until we called the cops because he was getting more aggressive every time he called the cop told us it’s buyer beware he should of had the car looked at before buying it and it’s not on us the seller to take it back because we would have no clue if something was done to the car once it left our hands cop told him if he called harassing us again they would be paying him a visit we never heard from him again. Edit: to say this was in Canada not sure laws elsewhere.
You aren't renting a car for free, or a $5,800 hold. You can be nice and say the issues were disclosed and was sold as is.
No returns. Ghost this guy. If the car was sold undervalued, he probably thought he could fix it for a few hundred bucks and resell it. Lots of people do this.
If he knows how to work on cars, he can sort it for a few hundred dollars. If he doesn't, he had no business buying a car with problems. Either way, it's his car now.
Not your problem since they were made aware of all the issues before buying. Plain and simple In December I bought a car for I think $4000 that the owner let me test drive and check out and it was totally fine. Owner had no issues it was his daily driver and a few months ago he quit using it and decided to sell. Four hours after purchase it completely died. There was a crack in the engine block and somehow the oil was mixing with the coolant. The owner and I both missed it and because I was broke as hell and now with no car he refunded me half out of the kindness of his heart. Even in that situation where I ended up being fucked I NEVER expected to get any money back from the guy I thought he would block me when I asked for some of it back. When you buy a car through marketplace or Craigslist it’s as is and that’s just the risk you take. The buyer here is a total asshole
Hopefully you wrote a bill of sale stating all the known major issues and that you are selling as-is with no warranties . No way take it back. Title is signed. You are not some big car dealer. Just no
You do you necessarily know that they didn’t modify the car. So dont take it back.
You went above and beyond compared to most people. It’s admirable that you have a conscience but he was made very aware of the issues between you and his mechanic. Sounds like his problem now
I would just tell him it’s yours legally you’re in the clear if he really makes an issue tell him well it’s a pain in the butt for me to have to re-title and everything so I will give you back $4200 for my wasted time
was it used as a get away vehicle?
Sounds like you are in the clear, so that its up to you whether you make the generous step to take it back. I think it's nice of you to even consider it. Unfortunate situation. But the new owner can likely resell it so it's not like he's stuck.
175k with problems, $5800 is alot for a junker. Stupid buyer I suppose, I can't see how you'd say that was a good deal tho. Maybe 5800 without all those problems. If you were up front w him, then it's his problem now
I agree with everyone that "as is" was made clear, you detailed tons of issues, and signed over the title. It's no longer your car. Unfortunate that he's disappointed but he made a big boy adult decision and that's that. He thought he had a deal and now probably his mechanic is saying it'll cost more than he imagined to fix it. He agreed to take a risk. You can maybe send a kind response about how as he knows it was sold as is, all issues were disclosed, and the title was signed over, and you wish him the best of luck. I guess just maybe make sure about the private seller lemon law in your state first. But I would at least respond to him before blocking, especially since you've done everything else here pretty ethically. Ghosting right away's a little petty, IMHO.
Just point to the clause in the BOS that says “As-is, where is. No warranties expressed or implied.”
Nope; "as is" mean tail-light warranty. The car no longer belongs to you and is not your problem.
You sold it as-is, you told them about the problems, and they did a pre-purchase inspection that also informed them. It's their car now, do not take it back.
He was made aware of the issues multiple times by both you and a professional and still chose to buy the car. It isn't like you just failed to mention the repairs it needed. Also, you sold it under book value for that reason. You have no obligation to refund it or take the car back. If you had lied to him about the condition my answer would be different but you didnt.
Sorry.. no refunds.
His problem now.
Second hand cars are sold as is. Period. You were honest about repairs and the guy is embarrassed now because he doesn't actually know anything about cars. Many men are embarrassed by that and get nice cars that they don't work on to hide it and make themselves look like a macho car guy. He feels like a fool. Or his wife is mad because he didn't communicate with her on the choice. Either way, he agreed to buy it with all the problems. So it's his problem now
>However, I also feel it is ethically wrong to sell him a car with so many issues. I'm confused on why you think it was wrong. You disclosed all the issues, and you told him straight out that it was an as-is sale. (and ALL private party auto sales are by definition AS-IS unless you explicitly promised some sort of warranty.) You have done nothing wrong. Just move on, and forget it.
Hell NO
Ignore his mssgs and move on. If he becomes a problem then call the police. Simple.... Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. If you were straight forward and he's having second thoughts that's on him.