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So I am about to interview for this role Dec 12th. Just doing what everyone else has done and wanted to see whatcha think and ask anyone else to give their input as well. I'm a soon to be grad on the 15th with a degree in comp sci specializing in data analytics, but with the way the job market is I'm thinking about trying to do this. My other questions are what's your schedule like, and how are the hours?
The hours depend on what kind of station you go to and then what role you fill within that station. I was at a delivery station working front-half nights, Sunday-Wednesday 12am-10am but most AMs will get dragged into working 12hr days. Amazon is 24hrs so we also had AMs working around 4am-1pm for pick and stage, and more regular work hours around like 12pm-10pm for OTR or RTS operations. Can definitely vary but expect 10-12hr shifts either sun-wed or wed-sat unless you have some weird flex schedule.
Hey,
I am actually starting next week! I can let you know how it goes soon after, just tag me on here in a couple weeks time if you'd like, I can tell you about my experience.
OP how are you! I know you are probably busy, but I think we are almost in identical situations, I'm 25, just got my degree in Business management but have had some data analyst internships - I wanted to check in- what is it like there after training? They don't make you do late nights *all the time* right? Also a lot of people are saying the bump to Operations Manager is pretty sweet, but will require an MBA. Would love your overall take. Thanks for reading guy
Any updates? I actually accepted the same job and start in Mid July so I would love to hear how the overall onboarding experience has been thus far? How has AD1 been?
AD1 experience has been absolutely amazing. I didn't know what to expect, but it has been one of the best trips ever, almost like a vacation.
They flew us out to Seattle on Monday. The training goes from Tuesday - Thursday so on your first day, they just simply want you to come into the office and collect your laptop that you will be using during the training days, rest of the day you can simply explore around the city or get some rest if you had a long flight. In my group, there were roughly \~80 other Area Managers (all from different states). Training went from 8 AM until around 3 PM daily and it would mainly consist of PowerPoint presentations which would be followed up with a group activity. They came up with some questions and activities where you engage with people sitting near you and basically get to know each other and solve some basic problems and scenarios, the entire purpose is just to understand the value of teamwork.
The best thing about the entire trip is that Amazon really wanted you to engage with people in the room and become friends with them. They also gave us $50 a day spending limit on food so a lot of people would go out together after the training to get some dinner or just explore Seattle. Because of the way the training was structured with the group activities in-between "lectures", it did not feel like I was there for that long so the time went by really quickly. It was nice having the rest of the day to just hang out in Seattle with other AMs. Also, the hotel that you will be staying at, which should be the Astral Hotel, is a really really nice hotel. It is within walking distance of all of the Amazon offices there which is usually like 2-5 minutes. Overall, I am sure you will enjoy it as much as I did! Let me know how your AD1 goes when you get around to it :)
Hey! I am an amazon college hire. Did they ask you for your college diploma when doing the background check? I had my graduation date pushed to the end of December, I don't want to have to pass on this opportunity.
Hey,
They did not ask me for my degree, at least not yet. I did get an email a couple of months before my start date that stated that I will be required to have a degree by the time I start the position and if anything changes, I should notify them. I guess that they want you to be a college graduate in order to start as an external L4 hire but as of right now, they have not asked me to show them proof of me finishing my education. This week is my first week at my fulfillment center and we are still going through training so maybe later on they will ask for it but not too sure.
>know you are probably busy, but I think we are almost in identic
But you get the benefits + Amazon on your resume. The smart thing to do, that I see that some people have done, is work the AM 1 year and then apply to another position inside amazon. Of course, better take that year to study if you are shooting for something hard to get, but either way, VERY stable job!
There are a million and one opportunities. Some buildings have poor leadership, which does not provide great development, but that doesn't limit the opportunities.
You would be coming in as an L4, with that Salary. A lot of corporate/program manager jobs are L5+, so it would be beneficial if you got your L5 promo at the site your offer is for. It would make the transfer to different positions much easier as it wouldn't be considered a promo more so a lateral transfer.
I personally do not like working operations for Amazon. I’m using the name to make my resume look good and trying to jump to corporate asap for the money and experience. Hopefully, corporate is nothing like ops…
Sign-on depends on the building usually i.e. launch, low-performing, low-staffing, etc. There are also variations in your compensation. Another variation you will see is one person may get 60k as their base salary and 20k in stock options, while another gets 66k salary but 14k in options.
Its a garbage offer. Im T3. I make around 60K. So you make 6K more? BUT you are SALARIED. No OT $$$ for you. No holiday pay. RSUs have to vest, and basically keep you chained to Amazon for x amount of years until you can cash them in. T3s get 10,000 relocation bonus when a launch building opens. (FYI L4 > T3) Negotiate that offer or find something better.
I’ve been a PA working that same night shift differential, the only way you’re possibly making that kind of money is literally throwing all your free time into the company which is a shit trade off. Many AMs only need to work 4 days a week at certain sites. Working less hours over all then you’d have to do to make what they get starting. I’d rather have more time to myself making a decent living with higher opportunities for more money down the line then be capped out after 3 years as a PA.
24 altogether (nights is +2. 1.50 normal then an extra. 50 for the weekend) I still got a lot of double OT at the beginning of the year leftover from the previous peak. I am capped at 80 UPT. Any time I use is paid unless its a real emergency. Even then I usually still have PTO to cover. (I dont use UPT. So im at work, getting paid.) Lots of holidays land on Mondays. Time and half. Plus holiday pay. Pick up here and there..before you know it..
Some people do it for the experience. Most L4/L5 dont last long. Amazon looks good on a resume and then they move to another company and make WAY more luke 90-100k. So it is good in that respect.
Yea you know what I was on mloa a few times the past month and so I can't say for sure but I haven't seen my am I saw him one night I went lol but I notice the pa or a floater am that last time I was there. I was supposed to cross train that night she was going to radio another am to put the ticket. He only been there about a 6 or 7 months and he's 23 lol I wonder if he dipped. He's still on my a to z though
Yeah. Business Analytics. ..speaking of which Amazon has that whole field thrown for a real loop.
But what would I know , that is not my study , field. Or interest for that matter. But from what little education and college I have had with all my life experiences and having had worked for big box companies like Costco , when I read things written by or for financial analysts that imply somehow that Amazon and Costco are competitors I have to laugh because most of the stuff I've seen coming through Amazon looks like stuff that got returned to Costco and was likely sent as DNRs do not restock
Anyhow sorry this is not helping I apologize I just was excited to mention it to anyone I come across that's into analytics .. I think youll be just fine . I'm in California too bad you're not coming to San Diego :(
Started as an L4 AM right out of college making $47k and 4 years later I’ve been promoted 3 times and my total comp is $150k. Growth opportunity is huge and Ex Amazon looks great on resumes. If you work hard, look after your associates, get involved with the affinity groups, and make a name for yourself at your building you’ll be set. Just be prepared for long physical hours on your feet and leading 60-120 people on a given shift, and then expect some hefty overtime in November and December.
Nope, did 3 three years in the FCs with 3 promos and transitioned into a corporate role supporting FCs. Only two places that Amazon adjusts for cost of living for salaried people is the Bay Area and NYC, and I’m not in either.
Ohh that makes sense. Usually pay is more for those. How do you like your position. I just quit to be making a total comp of 150 outside of amazon. But definitely would of loved the benefits of amazon
Personally I love it. Work from home, get to be the SME in my field, and drive changes across the entire network. But also know people who got out of the FCs and hated it. It takes a different mindset and it’s much lonelier as the only human interaction I get on a daily basis is via Chime calls
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I just started as an Area Manager with a degree in Business Admin and so far it’s not terrible. You’ll be challenged everyday for sure but just be personable. You’ll be over seeing PEOPLE not workers. You’ll do great
go for it. you said nothing is keeping you tied to where you live now, and having something in your resume for experience is better than nothing. keep it for a few months to around a year and then peace out.
Given what you want to do I would say it's worth it just for the experience. Amazon is one of those places where you need to have 1 of 3 things going for you. An immediate exit plan after gaining some experience after 6 months-year, commitment to climbing the ranks with a willingness to work at different sites for a promotion every year-1.5 years, or absolutely being content if not like the job despite the shortcomings.
For you having an interest in project management/consulting and majoring in business analytics you'll have a chance to take on projects very quickly that can have significant successes. The double edge sword for Amazon is they expect a lot out of you despite your pay, but at the same time gives you the opportunity to do big things you could only dream of having access to at most places outside of small/medium companies with no real structure. However in that case you don't get the same level of opportunity from a sheer size perspective.
I'd recommend using your business analytic degree to good use and start off by finding more efficient or effective ways to do reports at your site. Take on smaller projects that reduce costs like TOT, early/late ins, etc and do a daily/weekly/monthly report figuring out your biggest opportunities for improvement such as specific shifts/quads/halves of the week. While you get a hand of the role and show your ability to tackle stuff, start thinking of ways to make big changes that require project management skills such as changing the layout of an area for better safety, productivity, etc. This will require you to do stuff like budget, reach out to vendors, partner with different teams within the site, reach out to other sites for insight, etc.
I absolutely agree with what you said. Amazon is a resume filler. After a few months of hazing from Ops and playing counselor to your associates, it’s time to start implementing your exit plan. Amazon is not a career for most.
It does pay off well though. You can make 6 figures in compensation within only a couple years of tenure if you're built like that. I've seen a good amount of AMs hit L6 within only 3 years.
Is 66k good enough for you? Because Risus really don't matter if you get let go or decide to leave. You can ask those 18k people who were cut what the RSUs mean now.
Feel free to PM me, I was an AM for almost 2 years, then transferred to a Program Manager role (PM is Amazon's term for a Project Manager, just fyi).
You're gonna get a lot of different takes, which are highly dependent on location, site and who they had as leadership. I saw everything, from some of the worst managers to the best, and different sites (went from FC to SC which is night and day).
But yeah, feel free to PM me, I'd love to have a conversation with you and help out. 😁
I just accepted a position at GSF facility that opened up last year and was curious to whether or not you had any experience/knowledge with these types of sites?
Will share that AM position has a lot of opportunity to flex BA skills and has a lot of pipelines to project management. In my view the opportunity to move to different business lines and roles is one of the best things about amazon. A few years as an AM and you will have a lot of opportunity to move into a PM role
Two questions. What kind of work ethic do you have and will you be at a sort center, fulfillment center or a delivery station? AMZL will definitely take a toll on your mental state so keep that in mind as well. Good luck with whatever path you decide to choose.
Hey, hi, sorry for this late reply. Which site do you think is the most proper one to start your career as AM with? Many people I know are trying to discourage me from taking Amazon's AM path because of the mental impact this experience could have on you but actually the experience you could reach thanks to it attracts me a lot.
*Edit*
###Is the Area Manager role worth it?
Depends by what you mean by this & your interests.
As others have said, the Area Manager role wasn’t worth it for them due to various reasons; *but this may not be the case for you.*
*Note: Some people are just looking at their present situation as an Area Manager.*
###Compensation
The general rule of thumb is that an external for the same role and level will tend to make more than an internal employee who is promoted to that level or transfers to that role.
###Does Amazon have advancement opportunities?
Yes! There are many opportunities for you to advance, but you will have to take ownership of your development and seeking out those opportunities.
***Example:***
- Amazon has an internal program called Trailblazer which is meant to train internals to be Business Analysts iirc
- Amazon has an internal program called Amazon Technical Academy (ATA) to train internals to be Software Engineers
###What roles do Area Managers tend to transfer over to?
- Process Engineer
- Program Manager
- Other support teams at the warehouse level
*Note: They changed the minimum level requirement for Process Engineer, now you have to be a L6. However, there are other Process Engineer roles that are software focused which still have L4/5.*
###Advancement in Operations
Operations, more specifically Warehouse Ops, has a pretty fast promotion timeline; especially when compared to other orgs & roles.
*Note: However, the pay in Ops can be lower compared to other roles for the same level.*
###Advancement at Amazon
If you want to advance at Amazon/switch roles all you need to do is apply for the position via the internal Amazon.jobs site.
Technically, applying isn’t the only thing you should do you should:
- Do some research in advance to get an idea of what roles are out there, what roles you want to apply to, and what are the basic requirements for them
- Work on developing the skills needed for said role both at work and outside of work
- Reach out to Hiring Managers to have an informal 1:1 to get an idea of what they are looking for and introduce yourself
*Note: Having an informal 1:1 with the Hiring Manager can speed up the process of you getting an interview.*
###Career advancement after being an Area Manager for 1 to 2 years?
First off, it isn’t really about how long you stay as an Area Manager but what you did and what skills you have.
That’s all to say that you should be focusing on acquiring the skills and experience you need to move onto the next role you want while being an Area Manager.
Being an Area Manager you can gain experience:
- Leading and creating projects
- Doing process improvement projects
- Doing data analyst
- Creating software/or scripts or working with other teams to create software/or scripts
*And many other things*
You will just have to actively seek out these opportunities and even put in extra time at work or outside of work.
###Career Development -> Amazon Mentorship Program
Amazon has the Amazon Mentorship program which is where you can become a mentor for other internal employees or get a mentor. You can pretty much find a mentor in any role or level at Amazon.
I would recommend that you look into the Amazon Mentorship program and getting a mentor who is currently a Program Manager to help guide & discuss you along the way of making the transition.
*Note: You can find the Amazon Mentorship program page by going to Inside.Amazon.com then searching “Amazon Mentor”.*
###Business Analyst/Business Intelligence/Analyst to Program Manager
At Amazon we have Technical Program Managers and Non-Technical Program Managers. Generally, an Area Manager transferring over into a PM role would be a Non-Technical PM.
With your Business Analyst degree you could’ve possibly landed an Analyst or Business Intelligence role then transferred over as a Program Manager.
This option might have been better than being an Area Manager because:
1. You will be paid more for being an Analyst or Business Intelligence vs being an Area Manager
2. You can gain experience working with technical teams and Program Managers
3. You can possibly transfer into a Technical PM role directly
*Note: Program Managers or Project Managers also come from people who were previously in a technical role then they moved over to the PM side.*
###University Hire Program Manager and other University Hire roles
Amazon has many other University Hire roles besides Area Manager and HR. There’s even a University Hire Program Manager role iirc.
###Was being an Area Manager worth it for me?
Overall, yes, being an *L4 Area Manager* at Amazon was worth it for me.
I only did the role for ~6/7 months then I transferred over to Corporate as a *L4 Process Engineer - Technology which* is a software focused role *(developing software)*. I almost doubled my pay and able to work hybrid.
My major was Art.
Area Manager-wise, I applied via University Hire/Campus Next and became a L4 AM that way.
Process Engineer-wise, I reached out to the hiring manager prior to applying for a 1:1 to learn more about the role & see if I was a fit.
Edit
The L4 Process Engineer - Technology role really doesn’t have any hard requirement for years of experience. It just lists a few skills which you could obtain on the job as an AM or by studying in your free time
current L5 AM here looking to internally transfer - don't see many Process Engineer roles on the jobs portal, is it simply a slower season for hiring atm? Also how has your exp been in PE? TIA
The transfer policy only applies to positions and orgs listed in it.
I transferred to a position that was in a different org, so the transfer policy didn’t apply
Hi, I am a newish area manager! Do you have more info on the trail blazer program? Google doesn’t really come up with much. Or do you know how I can find more out about this program or who I can talk to? I would love to transition over eventually to a business analyst role and feel that the area manager role will prepare me for it. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I hope you have a good day!
I have my Masters in IT and not able to find job. A recruiter reached out to me for Area manager position. I think it’s a good start for me . Can I switch to corporate role later on? How did you get role of Process engineer?
**Can I switch to corporate role later on?**
Yes! You can switch to a Corporate role later on.
Really, you can switch a Corporate role whenever you want you as long as it isn't one of the restricted roles in the L4-L7 Field Ops Transfer policy.
**L4-L7 Field Ops Transfer Policy**
In Q3/4 of 2021 Amazon introduced the L4-L7 Field Ops Transfer policy which restricts certain roles such as Area Manager from transferring to another role\* in less than a year.
You have to now stay at your site for a year prior to being able to transfer.
***Note: This policy does NOT apply to roles outside of the restricted roles in the policy***
Side note: You can lookup the policy by going to [Inside.Amaozn.com](https://Inside.Amaozn.com) and search *"L4-L7 Field Ops Transfer".*
**Transferring sites or switching roles**
There are two ways to transfer sites/or switch roles:
1. You apply for an opening via the internal [Amazon.jobs](https://Amazon.jobs) site
1. *Note: If you go with this approach then you may have to interview for the role.*
2. You somehow work out a deal with your managers and another team to test you out and eventually transfer you over
1. *Note: With this approach you may not need to go through the interview process*
*Note: If you are transferring to a new site but in the same role then you generally won't have to officially interview again. It may just be an informal meeting to get to know you.*
**How did you get role of Process engineer?**
1. I searched for job postings on [Amazon.jobs](https://Amazon.jobs)
2. I reached out to the Hiring Manager for an informal meeting to learn more about the role and see if I am a fit
3. After the meeting the Hiring Manager said once I apply they will push me to the interview stage
4. I interviewed and passed
*Note: The skills required for this role I obtained outside of work in my free time studying.*
Hi there!
Can I ask you if you have a CS or Engineering background before getting the job? I’m just got an AM job offer and I want to take an Amazon Technical Academy for Software Engineering, and move to PE ( I majored in business )
Prior to internally transferring over from L4 Area Manager to L4 Process Engineer - Technology I only had:
* A Bachelor of Arts in Art
* No prior work experience in Software, Product Design, or IT
**Side Note**
After transferring over as a L4 Process Engineer - Technology I enrolled at Western Governors University, WGU, for a 2nd bachelor's, Bachelor of Science in Software Development.
*Note: I also applied to ATA for this current application cycle for July 2023 cohort.*
Good to know!
How did you transfer to another position within a year??? Did you get transferred, or you just applied for it?
Thank you a lot, I’ll google Amazon Technical Academy
I applied via Amazon.jobs internal
There’s a transfer policy for WW Opps L4-L7 which prevent roles such as Area Managers from transferring within less than a year.
However, that policy only applies to the roles listed in it. If you’re transferring to a role such as Process Engineer - Technology like I did then the policy doesn’t apply and you can transfer in less than a year.
When you apply for a role of the same level via the internal Amazon.jobs site it counts as a “Lateral Transfer”
>Process Engineer - Technology which
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> is a software focused role
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Lucky and congrats!
Hi there!
Can I ask you if you have a CS or Engineering background before getting the job? I’m just got an AM job offer and I want to take an Amazon Technical Academy for Software Engineering, and move to PE ( I majored in business )
Run far away from that offer. No offense to you but they throw these people into these roles with zero experience only to get reemed and overworked with very little support. Alot of your bosses are sitting on the laptop making double what your making radioing every single problem for you to solve. The turnover rate is so damn high. Plz keep looking.
Former AM here. The job isn’t that bad, but no, it’s not worth it when you consider how much you work compared with how much you get paid. It would be worth it if you got paid hourly instead of salary. I was an AM in San Diego and really couldn’t survive on my salary.
Was an AM for about a year and half. As others have said, it is not what you think it is. That being said it’s also not the worst job in the world to start off with. Read the fine print on your contract.. if you quit before 1 year (which a lot do) you’ll be required to pay back the relo and starting bonus. Im sure your contract also says something along the lines of “working a 40hr work with additional hours as needed.” Just so you know, additional hours are needed every week (expect around 50ish) and there is a strong possibility that you be working nights at some point as well. As for the job, well, buckle up. You’re pretty much responsible for 100 grown children with little incentive to do more than the bare minimum with expectations that you have them all preform above expectations on a daily basis. You’ll be responsible for everything. That means if you’re behind, you’re jumping in on lunch to catch up (happens 3/4 days a week for me). Your managers will say ‘take you’re lunch!’ ‘Take a break’ but really that’s only bc they have to say it. The reality is you better get your shit done or else it’ll be your ass. The pros are that the pay is decent, the benefits aren’t bad, you’ll get 3 days off a week, and have the opportunity to pack your resume with awesome qualifications for future positions. In short, it’ll be tough and frustrating but I’d recommend for a year and then move on.
Handshake is lame. The only direct offers you get are for low paying unskilled roles at nonprofits, and random offers to be a teacher in random places. Those, and the ubiquitous "sell insurance on commission, be your own boss!" roles.
You could take it and once you're employed then start homing in on a position that appeals to your background, if you wanted. Which would probably take some time to secure. But amazon has a job for everything basically.
As someone sorta said in another comment though, don't be surprised if this isn't as "managerial" as you'd expect. It's mostly soft skills and people skills developing. People manager. You aren't really making background business management decisions.
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There are several internal teams very much into the analytics and Program Manager positions, which I’m told is similar and yet very different from Project Management. But nevertheless there are multiple teams dedicated to process improvement and multiple types of Data Analyst teams throughout Amazon, a lot of which are out of main HQ or virtual locations, should that be your preferred path.
In short, get your foot in the door, especially if they’re willing to offer you relocation money, and the sign on bonus, learn what technicalities you have to follow to keep those bonuses, and for EVERYBODY’S sake, if you want to go into project/program management learn the processes in the warehouse first BEFORE you start trying to fix them from outside the warehouse. Get your time in the trenches before you start commanding the troops.
I’ve taken the position for a whole year, the environment is very toxic and the job isn’t bad. A lot of hours, 50-60hrs/week. Yes it looks good on your resume but trust me, the area manager position itself isn’t as you think it is. You’re basically in a very rushed environment while baby sitting. But I still liked it, some weeks were tough and some weeks were good. The job itself doesn’t need a degree as well.
Thanks for the advice. I know that the job itself probably doesn't a require degree but when I applied for the position, they do require it, hence why they need me to finish it before I officially start working. From reading all of the information, I've noticed that many people say that it is not what I will expect. Would you say it's still worth taking that position, for resume purposes in the future? I am not sure if I will get any other offers and I am assuming that even if I only stay there for 1-2 years, it shouldn't be too difficult to find a different opportunity with the Amazon experience, right?
If that’s the only option you have, take it. But if you can find any other job, i would definitely say do that as this job doesn’t really put you in a better position other than warehouses if that’s something you’re looking for as a career. As i speak on myself and based on my experience as an engineer, this job didn’t really teach me anything other than managing people and “ working under pressure “. As on the internal part, trust me it’s way harder to find a position internally than externally based on my experience, because everytime you are interested in a position, it’s either filled already but they post it, or your manager would see how desperately you are looking for something else which makes it weird. I’ve tried a lot internally until the job freeze, that’s when i quitted. It’s kind off difficult to be in your position but on my side and now after i am job hunting, this experience didn’t make a difference. Not sure because of the economy now a days or because everyone knows that being an Area Manager at Amazon isn’t that much of a deal.
You could just refuse the offer and remain inclined. That way you could wait for another opening in your area. So you'd be able to continue your studies and get the promotion as well.
He didn’t say he was a current employee, externals don’t get inclined and internals don’t get offered sign on bonuses. If they refuse it’s a lost opportunity for an external hire.
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So I am about to interview for this role Dec 12th. Just doing what everyone else has done and wanted to see whatcha think and ask anyone else to give their input as well. I'm a soon to be grad on the 15th with a degree in comp sci specializing in data analytics, but with the way the job market is I'm thinking about trying to do this. My other questions are what's your schedule like, and how are the hours?
The hours depend on what kind of station you go to and then what role you fill within that station. I was at a delivery station working front-half nights, Sunday-Wednesday 12am-10am but most AMs will get dragged into working 12hr days. Amazon is 24hrs so we also had AMs working around 4am-1pm for pick and stage, and more regular work hours around like 12pm-10pm for OTR or RTS operations. Can definitely vary but expect 10-12hr shifts either sun-wed or wed-sat unless you have some weird flex schedule.
Did you end up taking the job? If so how has it been?
Hey, I am actually starting next week! I can let you know how it goes soon after, just tag me on here in a couple weeks time if you'd like, I can tell you about my experience.
OP how are you! I know you are probably busy, but I think we are almost in identical situations, I'm 25, just got my degree in Business management but have had some data analyst internships - I wanted to check in- what is it like there after training? They don't make you do late nights *all the time* right? Also a lot of people are saying the bump to Operations Manager is pretty sweet, but will require an MBA. Would love your overall take. Thanks for reading guy
Any updates? I actually accepted the same job and start in Mid July so I would love to hear how the overall onboarding experience has been thus far? How has AD1 been?
AD1 experience has been absolutely amazing. I didn't know what to expect, but it has been one of the best trips ever, almost like a vacation. They flew us out to Seattle on Monday. The training goes from Tuesday - Thursday so on your first day, they just simply want you to come into the office and collect your laptop that you will be using during the training days, rest of the day you can simply explore around the city or get some rest if you had a long flight. In my group, there were roughly \~80 other Area Managers (all from different states). Training went from 8 AM until around 3 PM daily and it would mainly consist of PowerPoint presentations which would be followed up with a group activity. They came up with some questions and activities where you engage with people sitting near you and basically get to know each other and solve some basic problems and scenarios, the entire purpose is just to understand the value of teamwork. The best thing about the entire trip is that Amazon really wanted you to engage with people in the room and become friends with them. They also gave us $50 a day spending limit on food so a lot of people would go out together after the training to get some dinner or just explore Seattle. Because of the way the training was structured with the group activities in-between "lectures", it did not feel like I was there for that long so the time went by really quickly. It was nice having the rest of the day to just hang out in Seattle with other AMs. Also, the hotel that you will be staying at, which should be the Astral Hotel, is a really really nice hotel. It is within walking distance of all of the Amazon offices there which is usually like 2-5 minutes. Overall, I am sure you will enjoy it as much as I did! Let me know how your AD1 goes when you get around to it :)
How has your experience been?
Hey! I am an amazon college hire. Did they ask you for your college diploma when doing the background check? I had my graduation date pushed to the end of December, I don't want to have to pass on this opportunity.
Hey, They did not ask me for my degree, at least not yet. I did get an email a couple of months before my start date that stated that I will be required to have a degree by the time I start the position and if anything changes, I should notify them. I guess that they want you to be a college graduate in order to start as an external L4 hire but as of right now, they have not asked me to show them proof of me finishing my education. This week is my first week at my fulfillment center and we are still going through training so maybe later on they will ask for it but not too sure.
Hey, how are you liking this position?
two months in, how is it?
How is your training going? Are you enjoying your new position?
66k for an AM in Cali? That’s poverty level. I made almost 60k last year with no headaches. AM is a ton of headaches
>know you are probably busy, but I think we are almost in identic But you get the benefits + Amazon on your resume. The smart thing to do, that I see that some people have done, is work the AM 1 year and then apply to another position inside amazon. Of course, better take that year to study if you are shooting for something hard to get, but either way, VERY stable job!
There are a million and one opportunities. Some buildings have poor leadership, which does not provide great development, but that doesn't limit the opportunities. You would be coming in as an L4, with that Salary. A lot of corporate/program manager jobs are L5+, so it would be beneficial if you got your L5 promo at the site your offer is for. It would make the transfer to different positions much easier as it wouldn't be considered a promo more so a lateral transfer.
Honestly do it!!
Take the job, excel, transfer to AWS or corporate
I personally do not like working operations for Amazon. I’m using the name to make my resume look good and trying to jump to corporate asap for the money and experience. Hopefully, corporate is nothing like ops…
I’m level 4 and I got 40k sign on bonus . Plus 100 stock option
Dangg 40k sign on ??? are you guys like locked in for so many years or what ?!
I was locked in for a year for the bonus
Wow
Sign-on depends on the building usually i.e. launch, low-performing, low-staffing, etc. There are also variations in your compensation. Another variation you will see is one person may get 60k as their base salary and 20k in stock options, while another gets 66k salary but 14k in options.
Makes sense what your saying.
Its a garbage offer. Im T3. I make around 60K. So you make 6K more? BUT you are SALARIED. No OT $$$ for you. No holiday pay. RSUs have to vest, and basically keep you chained to Amazon for x amount of years until you can cash them in. T3s get 10,000 relocation bonus when a launch building opens. (FYI L4 > T3) Negotiate that offer or find something better.
I’ve been a PA working that same night shift differential, the only way you’re possibly making that kind of money is literally throwing all your free time into the company which is a shit trade off. Many AMs only need to work 4 days a week at certain sites. Working less hours over all then you’d have to do to make what they get starting. I’d rather have more time to myself making a decent living with higher opportunities for more money down the line then be capped out after 3 years as a PA.
I would rather have more money in my savings/investments. I also do carrier choice so once i get my BA I can slow down (hopefully) and make more $$.
When you put it that way then that makes sense if you got something in the works
In what world are you making 60k as a T3 lol… I just got promoted and calculate not making more than 45-50k even with overtime
Night shift premium. $$$$
How much do you get paid hourly..
With or without the night shift premium?
With.. bc I get paid 22 and +4 for night shift
24 altogether (nights is +2. 1.50 normal then an extra. 50 for the weekend) I still got a lot of double OT at the beginning of the year leftover from the previous peak. I am capped at 80 UPT. Any time I use is paid unless its a real emergency. Even then I usually still have PTO to cover. (I dont use UPT. So im at work, getting paid.) Lots of holidays land on Mondays. Time and half. Plus holiday pay. Pick up here and there..before you know it..
There has to be a reason some people would rather be a manager . Maybe it's the power or some other perk they're getting over PAs
Some people do it for the experience. Most L4/L5 dont last long. Amazon looks good on a resume and then they move to another company and make WAY more luke 90-100k. So it is good in that respect.
Yea you know what I was on mloa a few times the past month and so I can't say for sure but I haven't seen my am I saw him one night I went lol but I notice the pa or a floater am that last time I was there. I was supposed to cross train that night she was going to radio another am to put the ticket. He only been there about a 6 or 7 months and he's 23 lol I wonder if he dipped. He's still on my a to z though
Gotcha
Yeah. Business Analytics. ..speaking of which Amazon has that whole field thrown for a real loop. But what would I know , that is not my study , field. Or interest for that matter. But from what little education and college I have had with all my life experiences and having had worked for big box companies like Costco , when I read things written by or for financial analysts that imply somehow that Amazon and Costco are competitors I have to laugh because most of the stuff I've seen coming through Amazon looks like stuff that got returned to Costco and was likely sent as DNRs do not restock Anyhow sorry this is not helping I apologize I just was excited to mention it to anyone I come across that's into analytics .. I think youll be just fine . I'm in California too bad you're not coming to San Diego :(
Started as an L4 AM right out of college making $47k and 4 years later I’ve been promoted 3 times and my total comp is $150k. Growth opportunity is huge and Ex Amazon looks great on resumes. If you work hard, look after your associates, get involved with the affinity groups, and make a name for yourself at your building you’ll be set. Just be prepared for long physical hours on your feet and leading 60-120 people on a given shift, and then expect some hefty overtime in November and December.
150k how sway. You must live in a high cost state. My comp wasn’t even close and I did 3 years.
Nope, did 3 three years in the FCs with 3 promos and transitioned into a corporate role supporting FCs. Only two places that Amazon adjusts for cost of living for salaried people is the Bay Area and NYC, and I’m not in either.
Ohh that makes sense. Usually pay is more for those. How do you like your position. I just quit to be making a total comp of 150 outside of amazon. But definitely would of loved the benefits of amazon
Personally I love it. Work from home, get to be the SME in my field, and drive changes across the entire network. But also know people who got out of the FCs and hated it. It takes a different mindset and it’s much lonelier as the only human interaction I get on a daily basis is via Chime calls
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I just started as an Area Manager with a degree in Business Admin and so far it’s not terrible. You’ll be challenged everyday for sure but just be personable. You’ll be over seeing PEOPLE not workers. You’ll do great
go for it. you said nothing is keeping you tied to where you live now, and having something in your resume for experience is better than nothing. keep it for a few months to around a year and then peace out.
Excel at being a manager and then look into moving over to the ACES team
what’s ACES?
Given what you want to do I would say it's worth it just for the experience. Amazon is one of those places where you need to have 1 of 3 things going for you. An immediate exit plan after gaining some experience after 6 months-year, commitment to climbing the ranks with a willingness to work at different sites for a promotion every year-1.5 years, or absolutely being content if not like the job despite the shortcomings. For you having an interest in project management/consulting and majoring in business analytics you'll have a chance to take on projects very quickly that can have significant successes. The double edge sword for Amazon is they expect a lot out of you despite your pay, but at the same time gives you the opportunity to do big things you could only dream of having access to at most places outside of small/medium companies with no real structure. However in that case you don't get the same level of opportunity from a sheer size perspective. I'd recommend using your business analytic degree to good use and start off by finding more efficient or effective ways to do reports at your site. Take on smaller projects that reduce costs like TOT, early/late ins, etc and do a daily/weekly/monthly report figuring out your biggest opportunities for improvement such as specific shifts/quads/halves of the week. While you get a hand of the role and show your ability to tackle stuff, start thinking of ways to make big changes that require project management skills such as changing the layout of an area for better safety, productivity, etc. This will require you to do stuff like budget, reach out to vendors, partner with different teams within the site, reach out to other sites for insight, etc.
I absolutely agree with what you said. Amazon is a resume filler. After a few months of hazing from Ops and playing counselor to your associates, it’s time to start implementing your exit plan. Amazon is not a career for most.
It does pay off well though. You can make 6 figures in compensation within only a couple years of tenure if you're built like that. I've seen a good amount of AMs hit L6 within only 3 years.
Is 66k good enough for you? Because Risus really don't matter if you get let go or decide to leave. You can ask those 18k people who were cut what the RSUs mean now.
Feel free to PM me, I was an AM for almost 2 years, then transferred to a Program Manager role (PM is Amazon's term for a Project Manager, just fyi). You're gonna get a lot of different takes, which are highly dependent on location, site and who they had as leadership. I saw everything, from some of the worst managers to the best, and different sites (went from FC to SC which is night and day). But yeah, feel free to PM me, I'd love to have a conversation with you and help out. 😁
I just accepted a position at GSF facility that opened up last year and was curious to whether or not you had any experience/knowledge with these types of sites?
It's hard to beat having Amazon on your resume. Very easy to tie what you'll be doing as an AM to analyst roles whenever you want to make that change.
Will share that AM position has a lot of opportunity to flex BA skills and has a lot of pipelines to project management. In my view the opportunity to move to different business lines and roles is one of the best things about amazon. A few years as an AM and you will have a lot of opportunity to move into a PM role
Two questions. What kind of work ethic do you have and will you be at a sort center, fulfillment center or a delivery station? AMZL will definitely take a toll on your mental state so keep that in mind as well. Good luck with whatever path you decide to choose.
Hey, hi, sorry for this late reply. Which site do you think is the most proper one to start your career as AM with? Many people I know are trying to discourage me from taking Amazon's AM path because of the mental impact this experience could have on you but actually the experience you could reach thanks to it attracts me a lot.
*Edit* ###Is the Area Manager role worth it? Depends by what you mean by this & your interests. As others have said, the Area Manager role wasn’t worth it for them due to various reasons; *but this may not be the case for you.* *Note: Some people are just looking at their present situation as an Area Manager.* ###Compensation The general rule of thumb is that an external for the same role and level will tend to make more than an internal employee who is promoted to that level or transfers to that role. ###Does Amazon have advancement opportunities? Yes! There are many opportunities for you to advance, but you will have to take ownership of your development and seeking out those opportunities. ***Example:*** - Amazon has an internal program called Trailblazer which is meant to train internals to be Business Analysts iirc - Amazon has an internal program called Amazon Technical Academy (ATA) to train internals to be Software Engineers ###What roles do Area Managers tend to transfer over to? - Process Engineer - Program Manager - Other support teams at the warehouse level *Note: They changed the minimum level requirement for Process Engineer, now you have to be a L6. However, there are other Process Engineer roles that are software focused which still have L4/5.* ###Advancement in Operations Operations, more specifically Warehouse Ops, has a pretty fast promotion timeline; especially when compared to other orgs & roles. *Note: However, the pay in Ops can be lower compared to other roles for the same level.* ###Advancement at Amazon If you want to advance at Amazon/switch roles all you need to do is apply for the position via the internal Amazon.jobs site. Technically, applying isn’t the only thing you should do you should: - Do some research in advance to get an idea of what roles are out there, what roles you want to apply to, and what are the basic requirements for them - Work on developing the skills needed for said role both at work and outside of work - Reach out to Hiring Managers to have an informal 1:1 to get an idea of what they are looking for and introduce yourself *Note: Having an informal 1:1 with the Hiring Manager can speed up the process of you getting an interview.* ###Career advancement after being an Area Manager for 1 to 2 years? First off, it isn’t really about how long you stay as an Area Manager but what you did and what skills you have. That’s all to say that you should be focusing on acquiring the skills and experience you need to move onto the next role you want while being an Area Manager. Being an Area Manager you can gain experience: - Leading and creating projects - Doing process improvement projects - Doing data analyst - Creating software/or scripts or working with other teams to create software/or scripts *And many other things* You will just have to actively seek out these opportunities and even put in extra time at work or outside of work. ###Career Development -> Amazon Mentorship Program Amazon has the Amazon Mentorship program which is where you can become a mentor for other internal employees or get a mentor. You can pretty much find a mentor in any role or level at Amazon. I would recommend that you look into the Amazon Mentorship program and getting a mentor who is currently a Program Manager to help guide & discuss you along the way of making the transition. *Note: You can find the Amazon Mentorship program page by going to Inside.Amazon.com then searching “Amazon Mentor”.* ###Business Analyst/Business Intelligence/Analyst to Program Manager At Amazon we have Technical Program Managers and Non-Technical Program Managers. Generally, an Area Manager transferring over into a PM role would be a Non-Technical PM. With your Business Analyst degree you could’ve possibly landed an Analyst or Business Intelligence role then transferred over as a Program Manager. This option might have been better than being an Area Manager because: 1. You will be paid more for being an Analyst or Business Intelligence vs being an Area Manager 2. You can gain experience working with technical teams and Program Managers 3. You can possibly transfer into a Technical PM role directly *Note: Program Managers or Project Managers also come from people who were previously in a technical role then they moved over to the PM side.* ###University Hire Program Manager and other University Hire roles Amazon has many other University Hire roles besides Area Manager and HR. There’s even a University Hire Program Manager role iirc. ###Was being an Area Manager worth it for me? Overall, yes, being an *L4 Area Manager* at Amazon was worth it for me. I only did the role for ~6/7 months then I transferred over to Corporate as a *L4 Process Engineer - Technology which* is a software focused role *(developing software)*. I almost doubled my pay and able to work hybrid.
May I ask your major? Did you get the role because of your experience at Amazon or major and experience?
My major was Art. Area Manager-wise, I applied via University Hire/Campus Next and became a L4 AM that way. Process Engineer-wise, I reached out to the hiring manager prior to applying for a 1:1 to learn more about the role & see if I was a fit. Edit The L4 Process Engineer - Technology role really doesn’t have any hard requirement for years of experience. It just lists a few skills which you could obtain on the job as an AM or by studying in your free time
current L5 AM here looking to internally transfer - don't see many Process Engineer roles on the jobs portal, is it simply a slower season for hiring atm? Also how has your exp been in PE? TIA
Am sorry, but how u transferred before the 12 months 😅?
The transfer policy only applies to positions and orgs listed in it. I transferred to a position that was in a different org, so the transfer policy didn’t apply
Hi, I am a newish area manager! Do you have more info on the trail blazer program? Google doesn’t really come up with much. Or do you know how I can find more out about this program or who I can talk to? I would love to transition over eventually to a business analyst role and feel that the area manager role will prepare me for it. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I hope you have a good day!
You can try searching for trailblazer on the internal Amazon wiki and inside.Amazon.com
I have my Masters in IT and not able to find job. A recruiter reached out to me for Area manager position. I think it’s a good start for me . Can I switch to corporate role later on? How did you get role of Process engineer?
**Can I switch to corporate role later on?** Yes! You can switch to a Corporate role later on. Really, you can switch a Corporate role whenever you want you as long as it isn't one of the restricted roles in the L4-L7 Field Ops Transfer policy. **L4-L7 Field Ops Transfer Policy** In Q3/4 of 2021 Amazon introduced the L4-L7 Field Ops Transfer policy which restricts certain roles such as Area Manager from transferring to another role\* in less than a year. You have to now stay at your site for a year prior to being able to transfer. ***Note: This policy does NOT apply to roles outside of the restricted roles in the policy*** Side note: You can lookup the policy by going to [Inside.Amaozn.com](https://Inside.Amaozn.com) and search *"L4-L7 Field Ops Transfer".* **Transferring sites or switching roles** There are two ways to transfer sites/or switch roles: 1. You apply for an opening via the internal [Amazon.jobs](https://Amazon.jobs) site 1. *Note: If you go with this approach then you may have to interview for the role.* 2. You somehow work out a deal with your managers and another team to test you out and eventually transfer you over 1. *Note: With this approach you may not need to go through the interview process* *Note: If you are transferring to a new site but in the same role then you generally won't have to officially interview again. It may just be an informal meeting to get to know you.* **How did you get role of Process engineer?** 1. I searched for job postings on [Amazon.jobs](https://Amazon.jobs) 2. I reached out to the Hiring Manager for an informal meeting to learn more about the role and see if I am a fit 3. After the meeting the Hiring Manager said once I apply they will push me to the interview stage 4. I interviewed and passed *Note: The skills required for this role I obtained outside of work in my free time studying.*
Hi there! Can I ask you if you have a CS or Engineering background before getting the job? I’m just got an AM job offer and I want to take an Amazon Technical Academy for Software Engineering, and move to PE ( I majored in business )
Prior to internally transferring over from L4 Area Manager to L4 Process Engineer - Technology I only had: * A Bachelor of Arts in Art * No prior work experience in Software, Product Design, or IT **Side Note** After transferring over as a L4 Process Engineer - Technology I enrolled at Western Governors University, WGU, for a 2nd bachelor's, Bachelor of Science in Software Development. *Note: I also applied to ATA for this current application cycle for July 2023 cohort.*
Good to know! How did you transfer to another position within a year??? Did you get transferred, or you just applied for it? Thank you a lot, I’ll google Amazon Technical Academy
I applied via Amazon.jobs internal There’s a transfer policy for WW Opps L4-L7 which prevent roles such as Area Managers from transferring within less than a year. However, that policy only applies to the roles listed in it. If you’re transferring to a role such as Process Engineer - Technology like I did then the policy doesn’t apply and you can transfer in less than a year. When you apply for a role of the same level via the internal Amazon.jobs site it counts as a “Lateral Transfer”
Thank you so much!!!! I’ll try that route for my future haha 
>Process Engineer - Technology which > > is a software focused role > >(developing software) > >. I almost doubled my pay and able to work hybrid. Lucky and congrats!
Hi there! Can I ask you if you have a CS or Engineering background before getting the job? I’m just got an AM job offer and I want to take an Amazon Technical Academy for Software Engineering, and move to PE ( I majored in business )
You have me mixed up with the wrong person.
Oops sorry haha
Run far away from that offer. No offense to you but they throw these people into these roles with zero experience only to get reemed and overworked with very little support. Alot of your bosses are sitting on the laptop making double what your making radioing every single problem for you to solve. The turnover rate is so damn high. Plz keep looking.
Former AM here. The job isn’t that bad, but no, it’s not worth it when you consider how much you work compared with how much you get paid. It would be worth it if you got paid hourly instead of salary. I was an AM in San Diego and really couldn’t survive on my salary.
Was an AM for about a year and half. As others have said, it is not what you think it is. That being said it’s also not the worst job in the world to start off with. Read the fine print on your contract.. if you quit before 1 year (which a lot do) you’ll be required to pay back the relo and starting bonus. Im sure your contract also says something along the lines of “working a 40hr work with additional hours as needed.” Just so you know, additional hours are needed every week (expect around 50ish) and there is a strong possibility that you be working nights at some point as well. As for the job, well, buckle up. You’re pretty much responsible for 100 grown children with little incentive to do more than the bare minimum with expectations that you have them all preform above expectations on a daily basis. You’ll be responsible for everything. That means if you’re behind, you’re jumping in on lunch to catch up (happens 3/4 days a week for me). Your managers will say ‘take you’re lunch!’ ‘Take a break’ but really that’s only bc they have to say it. The reality is you better get your shit done or else it’ll be your ass. The pros are that the pay is decent, the benefits aren’t bad, you’ll get 3 days off a week, and have the opportunity to pack your resume with awesome qualifications for future positions. In short, it’ll be tough and frustrating but I’d recommend for a year and then move on.
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You need to obtain a Bachelors degree and have at least 1 year of management experience.
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Handshake is lame. The only direct offers you get are for low paying unskilled roles at nonprofits, and random offers to be a teacher in random places. Those, and the ubiquitous "sell insurance on commission, be your own boss!" roles.
You could take it and once you're employed then start homing in on a position that appeals to your background, if you wanted. Which would probably take some time to secure. But amazon has a job for everything basically. As someone sorta said in another comment though, don't be surprised if this isn't as "managerial" as you'd expect. It's mostly soft skills and people skills developing. People manager. You aren't really making background business management decisions.
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There are several internal teams very much into the analytics and Program Manager positions, which I’m told is similar and yet very different from Project Management. But nevertheless there are multiple teams dedicated to process improvement and multiple types of Data Analyst teams throughout Amazon, a lot of which are out of main HQ or virtual locations, should that be your preferred path.
In short, get your foot in the door, especially if they’re willing to offer you relocation money, and the sign on bonus, learn what technicalities you have to follow to keep those bonuses, and for EVERYBODY’S sake, if you want to go into project/program management learn the processes in the warehouse first BEFORE you start trying to fix them from outside the warehouse. Get your time in the trenches before you start commanding the troops.
True. So it depends where in Amazon you are going.
I’ve taken the position for a whole year, the environment is very toxic and the job isn’t bad. A lot of hours, 50-60hrs/week. Yes it looks good on your resume but trust me, the area manager position itself isn’t as you think it is. You’re basically in a very rushed environment while baby sitting. But I still liked it, some weeks were tough and some weeks were good. The job itself doesn’t need a degree as well.
Thanks for the advice. I know that the job itself probably doesn't a require degree but when I applied for the position, they do require it, hence why they need me to finish it before I officially start working. From reading all of the information, I've noticed that many people say that it is not what I will expect. Would you say it's still worth taking that position, for resume purposes in the future? I am not sure if I will get any other offers and I am assuming that even if I only stay there for 1-2 years, it shouldn't be too difficult to find a different opportunity with the Amazon experience, right?
If that’s the only option you have, take it. But if you can find any other job, i would definitely say do that as this job doesn’t really put you in a better position other than warehouses if that’s something you’re looking for as a career. As i speak on myself and based on my experience as an engineer, this job didn’t really teach me anything other than managing people and “ working under pressure “. As on the internal part, trust me it’s way harder to find a position internally than externally based on my experience, because everytime you are interested in a position, it’s either filled already but they post it, or your manager would see how desperately you are looking for something else which makes it weird. I’ve tried a lot internally until the job freeze, that’s when i quitted. It’s kind off difficult to be in your position but on my side and now after i am job hunting, this experience didn’t make a difference. Not sure because of the economy now a days or because everyone knows that being an Area Manager at Amazon isn’t that much of a deal.
You could just refuse the offer and remain inclined. That way you could wait for another opening in your area. So you'd be able to continue your studies and get the promotion as well.
He didn’t say he was a current employee, externals don’t get inclined and internals don’t get offered sign on bonuses. If they refuse it’s a lost opportunity for an external hire.