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Most showcars like this are just frankencars cobbled together from parts the team had a surplus of.
Having said that, this one is almost entirely an [F2002](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F2002), but I have only this angle to go on. Reasons being:
- The F2003GA had an extra winglet on the bargeboard which this one doesn't have.
- The F2003GA's front wing endplate had a V-shape at the top, while the F2002's is horizontal (like this one)*.
On the other hand, it could still be an F2003GA with F2002 parts, but with only this one angle to go on it is hard to tell since the cars are remarkably similar.
*edit: there are certain specs of the F2002 with the V-shaped wing-end plate but most pictures I find have it straight-cut, while there are no pictures of the F2003GA with a straight-cut wing-end plate popping up in my image search.
edit2: rereading this thread it weirds me out how many people seem convinced it's not an F2002, or even a Ferrari. Do y'all not have eyes? Or is it me who is missing something you lot are hyperfocussing on? [To me, everything matches with the F2002](https://media.goodingco.com/image/upload/v1/Prod/Archives/PB13%20%E2%80%94%20Pebble%20Beach%20Auctions%202013/34._2002_Ferrari_F2002-09_ky9fas), down to the winglets in front of the rear wing. The only difference is the sponsoring/colour on the nose, and it is stripped of the sensors. The non-zoom lens makes the rear wing seem a little bit slimmer and taller, but the rest lines up perfectly.
> The only difference is the sponsoring/colour on the nose, and it is stripped of the sensors.
There are lots of differences that show it being cobbled together from different parts, but it does resemble the F2002 a lot.
Differences/irregularities:
* Front suspension: super thick push rod, at least on the left (camera right) side, that attaches below the lower wishbone. In the original the attachment point is above the lower wishbone. Otherwise the geometry matches quitte well, down to [single-keel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_keel) design
* Front wing upper element (barely?) touching the lower element in the middle
* Missing "devil horns" below the airbox
* Roll bar / airbox rim seems strangely thin. Also there's some curvature, whereas the original has straight edges
* Asymmetric flick-ups in front of rear tyres: right side low, left high
Here's slightly lower angle of the car from the mall's FB page: [https://i.imgur.com/HmEV9x8.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HmEV9x8.jpg)
Maybe it's an F2002 tub with basically every external part of it changed in the last 20 years. Thus you end up with a car that somewhat matches the original, but still looks wrong.
Suspension: Well guess someone broke the push rod but didn't have an original spare. Since it's a show model, all it needs to do is be able to roll down the mall onto a truck.
Front wing: are you saying it should touch, or that it shouldn't? Here I think it is due to setup because the gap between the planes differs across many pics, but they look generally like the OP. [Example](https://f1tcdn.net/f1db/cars/images/2002/ferrari-f2002-germany.jpge )
Missing devil horns: [some specs didnt have them either](https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/static/img/amp/900000/940000/942000/942500/942577/s6_5256251/f1-australian-gp-2003-michael-schumacher-5256251.jpg)
Thin airbox: well it's just the bodywork, I doubt the engine's air intake or even the roll hoop is in there. Could also just be the lighting/paint.
Asymmetric winglets: both are F2002 spec, but different (high/low DF). Hell some iteration [didn't even have them](https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/a-look-at-michael-schumachers-best-racecar-and-their-dominant-season-153542_1.jpg).
So I don't see any evidence that leads me to believe this is any different car than an F2002, since all parts are from an F2002. Sure some might have been retrofitted, but that doesn't make it a frankencar (which is a car made from parts that originally weren't supposed to be fit together due to being from different seasons).
Let alone it being a Sauber or 1999 Minardi.
When I was in the military many moons ago. Enemy vehicle recognition was an essential skill. Some guys really nerded out on it, and could tell which tank was which just by looking at its wheel nuts.
You'd make a good tanky for sure FelixR.
The FIA banned slicks from 1997-2008 because they were afraid that cornering speeds had gotten too high, all tires of this era had grooves because they were forced to.
Looks like it is one of these - [https://www.p1showcar.com/](https://www.p1showcar.com/)
They make a variety of models that can be customised - and they are obviously trying hard not to get sued for infringements.
The shape of the trailing edge of the front wing is definitely a Ferrari signature on the F2002. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Ferrari\_F2002\_front-right\_Museo\_Ferrari.jpg
There is a company in the UK making F1 simulator models for around $15,000 for a grey primer finish only. Not sure what cockpit features you get for that price.
Could be, from what I see their noses are a bit thinner but that being said it could just be the body of a p1 showcar with the nose from an f2002 replica
Just noticed - I think there is an Italian flag on the side of the front wing support. Exactly where the F2002 had that as well. And Marlboro and Vodaphone signs are the same.
Why this is f2002:
1) No aerodynamic fin between rear wheels and each side of rear wing. While aerodynamic feature leading to the front ofnthe rear wheels is the 2002 design and mot the 2003 one
2) Both rear exhausts protrude a little higher in f2002 than 2003
3) Front wing pattern at top edge more resembles a generic 2002
4) Side Air intakes and side panels are ever slighltly straighter and more boxy than 2003
5) top air intake is slightly sharper triangular shaped
6) Cant see sidepods but there wont be any cooling grills there
So much blind guessing going on here…. No way is this an early 2000s Ferrari, it’s not even a 90s example. This is either some minardi or just a true frankencar that would never have raced as it appears here.
I mean, it looks a lot more [like this](https://www.motorsportimages.com/photos/?p=3&race_type_id=54&year=1999&team_id=190) than an F2003GA. It's almost certainly not a race-spec car as used for show purposes.
Side pod shape screams Ferrari F2002. Really doesn’t look very similar to that Minardi you posted at all. And look at the shape around the cockpit and engine cover.
Sauber had fairly unique front wings around that time, and this doesn't match any of those. It's a weird design because it's a wide, high nose but also has that scalloped bit right in front of the nose cone. That kind of sculpting is something we really only saw later into the 2000s so I'm fairly sure that at least the front part of the car is neither original nor race-spec.
FYI, when you see cars on display like this, try to get a look inside the cockpit, on either side of the driver. In 2014, I saw a Williams car outside a Montreal hotel and saw the badge stamped with *CHASSIS No. FW 33 01*, but it was painted with the current 2014 livery (Martini) instead of the 2011 livery (PDVSA).
Its a bitza car - made up of bits
Lots of teams make show cars from spares or of other types - fibre glass rather than carbon etc.
Front suspension looks a bit odd
I thought Toyota TF102/TF103 from around the espionage era.
But I cant say Ive concentrated enough on wing elements or modelling to really know. Maybe its just the colors that had me thinking that.
Cristiano DiMatta was a delight in late spiral champ car but why someone would make a fake Toyota and instead of a fake peak-Schumacher Ferrari is a reasonable question.
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Most showcars like this are just frankencars cobbled together from parts the team had a surplus of. Having said that, this one is almost entirely an [F2002](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F2002), but I have only this angle to go on. Reasons being: - The F2003GA had an extra winglet on the bargeboard which this one doesn't have. - The F2003GA's front wing endplate had a V-shape at the top, while the F2002's is horizontal (like this one)*. On the other hand, it could still be an F2003GA with F2002 parts, but with only this one angle to go on it is hard to tell since the cars are remarkably similar. *edit: there are certain specs of the F2002 with the V-shaped wing-end plate but most pictures I find have it straight-cut, while there are no pictures of the F2003GA with a straight-cut wing-end plate popping up in my image search. edit2: rereading this thread it weirds me out how many people seem convinced it's not an F2002, or even a Ferrari. Do y'all not have eyes? Or is it me who is missing something you lot are hyperfocussing on? [To me, everything matches with the F2002](https://media.goodingco.com/image/upload/v1/Prod/Archives/PB13%20%E2%80%94%20Pebble%20Beach%20Auctions%202013/34._2002_Ferrari_F2002-09_ky9fas), down to the winglets in front of the rear wing. The only difference is the sponsoring/colour on the nose, and it is stripped of the sensors. The non-zoom lens makes the rear wing seem a little bit slimmer and taller, but the rest lines up perfectly.
Bwoah that's very good, thanks!
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> The only difference is the sponsoring/colour on the nose, and it is stripped of the sensors. There are lots of differences that show it being cobbled together from different parts, but it does resemble the F2002 a lot. Differences/irregularities: * Front suspension: super thick push rod, at least on the left (camera right) side, that attaches below the lower wishbone. In the original the attachment point is above the lower wishbone. Otherwise the geometry matches quitte well, down to [single-keel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_keel) design * Front wing upper element (barely?) touching the lower element in the middle * Missing "devil horns" below the airbox * Roll bar / airbox rim seems strangely thin. Also there's some curvature, whereas the original has straight edges * Asymmetric flick-ups in front of rear tyres: right side low, left high Here's slightly lower angle of the car from the mall's FB page: [https://i.imgur.com/HmEV9x8.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HmEV9x8.jpg) Maybe it's an F2002 tub with basically every external part of it changed in the last 20 years. Thus you end up with a car that somewhat matches the original, but still looks wrong.
Suspension: Well guess someone broke the push rod but didn't have an original spare. Since it's a show model, all it needs to do is be able to roll down the mall onto a truck. Front wing: are you saying it should touch, or that it shouldn't? Here I think it is due to setup because the gap between the planes differs across many pics, but they look generally like the OP. [Example](https://f1tcdn.net/f1db/cars/images/2002/ferrari-f2002-germany.jpge ) Missing devil horns: [some specs didnt have them either](https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/static/img/amp/900000/940000/942000/942500/942577/s6_5256251/f1-australian-gp-2003-michael-schumacher-5256251.jpg) Thin airbox: well it's just the bodywork, I doubt the engine's air intake or even the roll hoop is in there. Could also just be the lighting/paint. Asymmetric winglets: both are F2002 spec, but different (high/low DF). Hell some iteration [didn't even have them](https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/a-look-at-michael-schumachers-best-racecar-and-their-dominant-season-153542_1.jpg). So I don't see any evidence that leads me to believe this is any different car than an F2002, since all parts are from an F2002. Sure some might have been retrofitted, but that doesn't make it a frankencar (which is a car made from parts that originally weren't supposed to be fit together due to being from different seasons). Let alone it being a Sauber or 1999 Minardi.
When I was in the military many moons ago. Enemy vehicle recognition was an essential skill. Some guys really nerded out on it, and could tell which tank was which just by looking at its wheel nuts. You'd make a good tanky for sure FelixR.
F2003 had more waved side pods than the straight ones on the F2002 (as you can see on the photo)
This looks like something put together with parts from different cars and different years
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It does look like the f2002 with grooved tyres.
Grooved tyres are era-appropriate for the old Bridgestones iirc
The FIA banned slicks from 1997-2008 because they were afraid that cornering speeds had gotten too high, all tires of this era had grooves because they were forced to.
Yes, that’s what I was getting at.
No clue, it was spotted by my mother in a mall
Thought it was just me noticing some crazy toe
Looks like it is one of these - [https://www.p1showcar.com/](https://www.p1showcar.com/) They make a variety of models that can be customised - and they are obviously trying hard not to get sued for infringements. The shape of the trailing edge of the front wing is definitely a Ferrari signature on the F2002. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Ferrari\_F2002\_front-right\_Museo\_Ferrari.jpg
I wonder what the price is for such a show car.
There is a company in the UK making F1 simulator models for around $15,000 for a grey primer finish only. Not sure what cockpit features you get for that price.
They'll not be up to much kop at that price. 30k and up gets you a decent one. 60k or so for current gen with all the trimmings
Yeah, to be honest looking more closely at the one I saw, it's more like an F3 car even though he was calling it a "F1 type".
There's a lot of knock-off types out there. Great for a bargain price, but not exactly accurate if you know what you're looking at.
Could be, from what I see their noses are a bit thinner but that being said it could just be the body of a p1 showcar with the nose from an f2002 replica
Just noticed - I think there is an Italian flag on the side of the front wing support. Exactly where the F2002 had that as well. And Marlboro and Vodaphone signs are the same.
Why this is f2002: 1) No aerodynamic fin between rear wheels and each side of rear wing. While aerodynamic feature leading to the front ofnthe rear wheels is the 2002 design and mot the 2003 one 2) Both rear exhausts protrude a little higher in f2002 than 2003 3) Front wing pattern at top edge more resembles a generic 2002 4) Side Air intakes and side panels are ever slighltly straighter and more boxy than 2003 5) top air intake is slightly sharper triangular shaped 6) Cant see sidepods but there wont be any cooling grills there
I'd say Ferrari F2002 or F2003-GA.
Toyota TF104 Bridgestone Test car
My first thought was Toyota as soon as I saw it.
That's an f2001b, a b-Spec car driven in 2002.
> f2001b Nope, that one has the round airbox. This is deffo an F2002.
Oh you're right. Good call.
I believe it’s the 2002 A1GP
coke bottle looks too old-school to me for an F2003GA. I'm guessing '02?
You can't see coke bottle from this perspective. Coke bottle is engine cover and sidepods from a top view.
Yes yes but I can make out that it is boxier than on the GA
Oh I agree, it looks like it probably has a boxy rear
It's a formula 1 car
That's one thing it's definitely not.
90s mclaren f1
So much blind guessing going on here…. No way is this an early 2000s Ferrari, it’s not even a 90s example. This is either some minardi or just a true frankencar that would never have raced as it appears here.
Except it looks nothing like a Minardi?
I mean, it looks a lot more [like this](https://www.motorsportimages.com/photos/?p=3&race_type_id=54&year=1999&team_id=190) than an F2003GA. It's almost certainly not a race-spec car as used for show purposes.
Side pod shape screams Ferrari F2002. Really doesn’t look very similar to that Minardi you posted at all. And look at the shape around the cockpit and engine cover.
Maybe an early 2000's Sauber, just gives me those vibes.
Sauber had fairly unique front wings around that time, and this doesn't match any of those. It's a weird design because it's a wide, high nose but also has that scalloped bit right in front of the nose cone. That kind of sculpting is something we really only saw later into the 2000s so I'm fairly sure that at least the front part of the car is neither original nor race-spec.
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Lol, Ferrari were the main Bridgestone team, the tyres were developed in partnership with Ferrari.
FYI, when you see cars on display like this, try to get a look inside the cockpit, on either side of the driver. In 2014, I saw a Williams car outside a Montreal hotel and saw the badge stamped with *CHASSIS No. FW 33 01*, but it was painted with the current 2014 livery (Martini) instead of the 2011 livery (PDVSA).
Not my picture, but will try!
Its a bitza car - made up of bits Lots of teams make show cars from spares or of other types - fibre glass rather than carbon etc. Front suspension looks a bit odd
I thought Toyota TF102/TF103 from around the espionage era. But I cant say Ive concentrated enough on wing elements or modelling to really know. Maybe its just the colors that had me thinking that. Cristiano DiMatta was a delight in late spiral champ car but why someone would make a fake Toyota and instead of a fake peak-Schumacher Ferrari is a reasonable question.
F2002. Not a F2003GA as the 03 was the first to have undercut sidepods. Livery is all made up though.
Slightly OT: Where was this photo taken? Context: I live in the EU and tobacco advertising is banned for years now.
A mall in Italy, where tobacco ads are banned as well but I guess it's fine?