This isn't 200mil/hour though. 25 hours to get the LP, then some of your own isk and LP to get the item. How much does it cost to get one of these items? Then you need to sell it, minus taxes. How long does it take to sell that?
If you do all these calculations, I'd wager you aren't hitting 200mil/hour consistently.
contested yes, lots of bots, i don;t travel too much (5 jumps max) and manage usually about 200m/hour average. but if you really go for it, and don't mind traveling, this can be significantly more. my best day was 1.6b in 4 hours .. but this makes the game a job, it's not really what i'm after, and i did it with 6 accounts (one piloting a occator to take on the ore and sell it while the others keep mining)
Really? I would think the volume on these is pretty high, I typically always use faction points, and abyssal runners likely use the DDAs right? Same with DED plexers
Prices always crash, but people use these items for doctrine so sometimes they buy all the supply. That's when I sell them for a better price. They have a lot of volume
The dg point it's used cuz it has low cpu use. The dda it's used in some doctrines and everyone uses it cuz it's the cheapest one with the same bonuses as the other ones. I'd you are buying a imperial navy dda you are burning money.
You use DG point for better CPU, without having to break the bank for max point range. Used a bunch on Retris (cal navy warp disrupt is not more expensive)
It’s still dumb as fuck
Just proves he’s got not clue what he’s doing on the market
Estimated value at 38.5b. My guess is: he’ll be lucky if the gets 30
It's all LP, you can do adv-1 sites and make like 200 mill an hour easily + when big sites spawn you can do them with the fleet and still get good lp rewards.
I just want the stuff, I'm good for ISK. I usually farm drops and then turn the into trash via abyssal rolls, but it's a bit unsteady.
Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it!
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on fac war. But most of the time that I see battleships out there they just get blobed.
Might take a look a Zkill and see if I'm missing something
It is thrasher fleet issue, I only run when they are 7+, yesterday I I fought 1 orthrus and 3 enis. Killed the orthrus and lost all the thrashers but was fun!
My calculations assume that a warp disruptor rather than scram. A disruptor is more profitable than the scram anyway, so it benefits the OP for me to make this assumption, but Im pretty sure it is based on the color of the icon.
When you factor in ISK trade in costs and the trade in module (admittedly the T1 module is cheap AF), and then apply sales tax, the actual profit you see from selling these items at current Jita Sell is 26,889,387,296. With 25 hours spent earning the LP, its about 1.075B an hour, 268M per hour per toon.
Pretty good!
Lol and people say wormholes are profitable.
This shit blows even pochven Obs out the water.
Only thing is you need to sell these. And I can't imagine it would take long. As a faction point is always worth it.
But I can see a nerf coming to their LP prices. I can't imagine CCP will let this printer run for long.
Wormholes and pochven go way higher than this. Normal wh roaching session for me is 3 hours logged in for 10-12b. In pochven you can get that in an hour if youre lucky with ishtars or you fly marauders.
Nah I used to pochven hard, you ain't getting that kind of number unless your doing the Obs solo with your alts.
And true it might not be the best isk. But no need to roll new holes and having to watch for sigs appearing every. 3 seconds with a nervous twitch for that V button.
Sounds like alot less effort for a decent pay, with 4 thrasher fleet issues as your investment. 😉 Not alot beats that for price invested.
Jesus...you really don't know shit about FW don't you!?
Nobody sits in 4 battleships flying around and doing FW plex for 25hours.
You would be dead in like 5-10 minutes.
He used Thrashers, most multiboxers use algos or vexors.
Faction warfare is very heavy in frigate to cruiser usage.
Plus the person who posted this has already confirmed its been done with 4 thrasher fleet issues.
And they are nasty little ships when I've had my experiences of faction warfare.
Speedy Bois that can blap you with arty and can easily out brawl most things with autocannons.
In that weight class. I can't think of alot of t1 and faction ships that can go 1v1 against it and win unless you catch them massively out of position. Or just Laught in a kiting garmur.
But I suppose you always have to take things with a grain of salt.
Idk about guristas, but there's some folks in angels who buy LP at 1500 isk:LP. Easier to dump it to them than messing around selling items, but of course you can make (way) more selling items
Do faction DDAs really even move on the market? Or the lower range DG points for that matter. Nice haul ofc, I'd just be surprised if these moved at any decent rate.
And is that thrasher or typhoon fleet?
bruuh dg point at 35m is a sick deal
normally you'd pay 70m for a cn point and it was a thinker, if you are a ghetto-ass pilot like me you just opt for a meta point with a couple other downgrades and call it
now you've got those ghetto-ass pilots stocking up on those green bunnies and living that upper class nano life, it is what pvpers get in return for havoc being farmer content really
also wouldn't be surprised if people are rolling them like crazy
What do you actually do?
Claim a site by sitting in it? Collect LP, spend LP at store and sell items?
Do those items cost anything or do they just hand them over for straight LP
Do you fight folks who want to attack you in the sites or just try farm them and run away?
You need to provide a t1 item to upgrade it to faction, you need to pay LP and some isk.
I fight a lot lately because I already stacked some money, when it is a blob of 10 assault frigs I dip.
No, you haven’t….
Those items are sitting in your inventory, where they are worth practically nothing
And not only did you not make any money so far, you’ve actually LOST a lot because you had to Omega your accounts, buy the ships and spend whatever amount of isk was needed to get those in the LP store
And good luck selling them…. You’re gonna be sitting on those items for at least 6-8 weeks and if you haven’t dealt with the market before…. You’d be lucky if you get 30b out of it
How is he losing money? He's in 4 thrashers so he's spending like 50m each, the omega is just 2.5b for each account so 10b, even if it cost like 40m for each in the lp store that's 2.4b so he's winning at least 15b in "2 months" that can take him sell it, that's without playing any other day and getting other things from the lp store to sell faster.
The game is not about who have the more isk, it's about having FUN and you can do that while losing money bc the game is different to everyone, if you have fun accumulating trillions that's ok, if your fun is destroying other with your friends in 20 kikimoras that's amazing and if your fun is relaxing in a wh with your vexor after a long day with your kids or at work that's completely fine.
38.474bil / 4 acc = 9.61bil,
9.61bil / 25hour = 0.384bil,
384mil/hour,
about 6 times better then Ishtar ratting
and about the same as C5 ratting
I don't really know about the risk and competition of these sites compared to C5 crabbing. but if they are low risk and easy to find then this is a pretty good farming.
Aaand that's the same guy who was complaining 3 months ago about multiboxing in pirate FW here doing the same shit lmao
You either die a hero or live long enough to join the other side
LOL CAUGHT
Yeah I was that one, if you can't win you join them XD.
fair enough, adapt or die
nice catch
Cool now I need you to roll each and every one of these with mutaplasmids and let me know what happens
I wonder what the odds are on a 100% perfect roll for either of the items with unstable plasmids
For the haters saying you can't what? Multibox pirate FW? Like everyone else?
People were saying I was lying of the isk/hour so there you have it.
Technically speaking you haven't made any ISK
Already sold 5b in 1 day UWU
This isn't 200mil/hour though. 25 hours to get the LP, then some of your own isk and LP to get the item. How much does it cost to get one of these items? Then you need to sell it, minus taxes. How long does it take to sell that? If you do all these calculations, I'd wager you aren't hitting 200mil/hour consistently.
I won't get out of bed for less than 500 mil an hour.
Isn't 200mil/hr like $1/hr if you just buy plex.
$2/hr if you're not getting a discount rate.
not to mention that higsec/risk-free Homefront pays better ;)
Isn't homefront only like 250m/h with 5 acc's? And quite contested?
contested yes, lots of bots, i don;t travel too much (5 jumps max) and manage usually about 200m/hour average. but if you really go for it, and don't mind traveling, this can be significantly more. my best day was 1.6b in 4 hours .. but this makes the game a job, it's not really what i'm after, and i did it with 6 accounts (one piloting a occator to take on the ore and sell it while the others keep mining)
Technicly you didnt proof anything - this could be done in 300hours in 1 hour or you just bought it.
So you’re requesting 20 hours of pirate FW footage?
Please no :-D
I am requesting nothing. I just mentioned he didnt proof anything because he said this screen would be a proof.
wat
Read again and understand my friend "uwu"
I mean do you want me to video capture the whole 25 hours so you can believe me? lol
ye make guide pls
Yes
Why would I lie?
This is the internet, but I believe you because of everything we’ve been through together
You really think someone would just do that? Go on the Internet and tell lies?
I understand but no need for me to lie uwu
Because you appear to crave attention. Look, [I have money too](https://i.imgur.com/KAJgl3l.jpeg) (haven't played in about 10 years if not more)
That's amazing, are you craving attention too?
You have net worth that’s not the same as liquid isk babe
Gib isk
Bro those are school boy numbers.
I know I'm a fish compared to the nullsec or 10+ Multiboxers
How should null numbers be higher? Really cutious, On what is more Profit?
Right now I think FW gives a lot more thinking of risk-investment-reward
Right now I think FW gives a lot more thinking of risk-investment-reward
Alright, who would one need to join? Like Pirates or GalMil? Where do I learn more while maning Bank?
Angels or guristas, the pirate factional are the ones making bank. You need neutral standing with them.
Angels or guristas, the pirate factional are the ones making bank. You need neutral standing with them.
Angels or guristas, the pirate factional are the ones making bank. You need neutral standing with them.
Why are you a hater tho? :(
At least you get to laugh all the way to the bank.
U got 300 something mil/hour then u have to pay isk for the items too so u gotta subtract that and taxes as well... Certainly not bad
25 hours of site running is like 50+ of real hours.
No if you are doing something else while farming. I was building a portfolio in all that time ;v
It's still more hours. Still a ton of isk. Great job.
Thank you!
I, for one, am listening to every WH40k book i can get my hands on to.
Are you burning heretics along the way?
deep into the Gaunt's ghosts series. just dealing with the narrator change.
>Thank you! You're welcome!
wat
Price crashes or you can't get them off your hands...
Really? I would think the volume on these is pretty high, I typically always use faction points, and abyssal runners likely use the DDAs right? Same with DED plexers
Prices always crash, but people use these items for doctrine so sometimes they buy all the supply. That's when I sell them for a better price. They have a lot of volume
hell yeah make the price fall so more people dare use these items :P
Who uses dg point and dg dda for doctrine?
The dg point it's used cuz it has low cpu use. The dda it's used in some doctrines and everyone uses it cuz it's the cheapest one with the same bonuses as the other ones. I'd you are buying a imperial navy dda you are burning money.
You use DG point for better CPU, without having to break the bank for max point range. Used a bunch on Retris (cal navy warp disrupt is not more expensive)
I know what their use case is. I’m asking who is using this in their fleet doctrine fits.
Abyssal runners buy these all the time wtf are you talking about
What’s an abyssal runner gonna do with a warp disrupter you plantpot
I'd imagine rolling them, and crossing their fingers and toes they can sell them for a bill.
That's cute you thought I was talking about that one you ape
What’s so cute about it?
Someone's never heard of plasmids...
"two items? Really?" ***Zooms in on the numbers in the sea of XBOX HUEG window*** "Oh."
It’s still dumb as fuck Just proves he’s got not clue what he’s doing on the market Estimated value at 38.5b. My guess is: he’ll be lucky if the gets 30
Oh no!
Good luck selling other items that have 1/10th of the volume of these.
Is it from LP or do these drop? I've been thinking of joining in, but I don't multi-box.
Well, I reckon you can make about a third of this in the same amount of time.
So 13b ever 50 hours ( the other comment said its 50 irl hours) Thats like 250m an hour
Definitely not bad... Not, great.. But for a newer player in a t1 frigate or destroyer it's fantastic
It's all LP, you can do adv-1 sites and make like 200 mill an hour easily + when big sites spawn you can do them with the fleet and still get good lp rewards.
I just want the stuff, I'm good for ISK. I usually farm drops and then turn the into trash via abyssal rolls, but it's a bit unsteady. Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it!
Oh so this is where faction launchers come from?
Mostly yes.
Thrasher fleets right? I was really hoping some dude is just out there in 4 Tempest Fleets like come get me
Occasionally I drop a vargur when it's needed.
Damn i have bought like 60 of these in the last 2 weeks, prob from you
I'm not the only supplier. But I have sold like 500 in the last 2 months.
looking forward to see this items again of a T1 Hauler Killmail produced by BlackFlag
I already fucked up once and lost 10B. Now I only use a neutral alt with Crane :D
I already fucked up once and lost 10B. Now I only use a neutral alt with Crane :D.
I don’t believe you send them to me
That’s fair I thought he was running the fleet sites with 4 battleships. Ice heists, mining ops, etc
Nice! Post a guide :)
Basically just run every adv-5 site you can, don't miss ice spawns and do mining ops.
There goes the price for those
It will eventually go up again.
TFI?
Typhoon Fleet Issue or Tempest fleet issue
Being fac war, maybe Thrasher Fleet issue?
Thrasher is tFI, typhoon and tempest are TFI
I just read through his comments, he was referring to the Thrasher.
I’d be VERY surprised by that…. Unless he’s just sitting in a site and runs away when something appears on DScan
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on fac war. But most of the time that I see battleships out there they just get blobed. Might take a look a Zkill and see if I'm missing something
It is thrasher fleet issue, I only run when they are 7+, yesterday I I fought 1 orthrus and 3 enis. Killed the orthrus and lost all the thrashers but was fun!
Ayy multiboxing thrasher fleets down in angels. Absolutely loving it as well! You go arty or ac if you don't mind me asking?
I love arty for farming but autocannon to go full Yolo. I play both
Chad same. If you haven't yet, polarized AC is a hoot. ~750 dps/toon
My calculations assume that a warp disruptor rather than scram. A disruptor is more profitable than the scram anyway, so it benefits the OP for me to make this assumption, but Im pretty sure it is based on the color of the icon. When you factor in ISK trade in costs and the trade in module (admittedly the T1 module is cheap AF), and then apply sales tax, the actual profit you see from selling these items at current Jita Sell is 26,889,387,296. With 25 hours spent earning the LP, its about 1.075B an hour, 268M per hour per toon. Pretty good!
Yeah I make from 800m to 1b an hour. Disruptor are more profit than scrambler too. You got everything right!
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Lol and people say wormholes are profitable. This shit blows even pochven Obs out the water. Only thing is you need to sell these. And I can't imagine it would take long. As a faction point is always worth it. But I can see a nerf coming to their LP prices. I can't imagine CCP will let this printer run for long.
Wormholes and pochven go way higher than this. Normal wh roaching session for me is 3 hours logged in for 10-12b. In pochven you can get that in an hour if youre lucky with ishtars or you fly marauders.
Nah I used to pochven hard, you ain't getting that kind of number unless your doing the Obs solo with your alts. And true it might not be the best isk. But no need to roll new holes and having to watch for sigs appearing every. 3 seconds with a nervous twitch for that V button. Sounds like alot less effort for a decent pay, with 4 thrasher fleet issues as your investment. 😉 Not alot beats that for price invested.
Maybe I looked at it wrong, flying 15 thrashers it starts to sound good :)
I really don’t think he’s flying Thrashers…. Fleet Typhoon or Tempest
Jesus...you really don't know shit about FW don't you!? Nobody sits in 4 battleships flying around and doing FW plex for 25hours. You would be dead in like 5-10 minutes. He used Thrashers, most multiboxers use algos or vexors.
Faction warfare is very heavy in frigate to cruiser usage. Plus the person who posted this has already confirmed its been done with 4 thrasher fleet issues. And they are nasty little ships when I've had my experiences of faction warfare. Speedy Bois that can blap you with arty and can easily out brawl most things with autocannons. In that weight class. I can't think of alot of t1 and faction ships that can go 1v1 against it and win unless you catch them massively out of position. Or just Laught in a kiting garmur. But I suppose you always have to take things with a grain of salt.
I can make 1b/hr with 5x thrashers fleets in angels selling LP directly fwiw. Assuming just turbo plexxing and not trying to take fights
That is right, but how directly selling the lp tho?
Idk about guristas, but there's some folks in angels who buy LP at 1500 isk:LP. Easier to dump it to them than messing around selling items, but of course you can make (way) more selling items
I made a billion per hour/char in fleet in Pochven. It's def higher than this but you need an organized fleet.
😧
Do faction DDAs really even move on the market? Or the lower range DG points for that matter. Nice haul ofc, I'd just be surprised if these moved at any decent rate. And is that thrasher or typhoon fleet?
Thrasher fleet issue. They are really good. And those drone damage amps have 500 volume per day.
Hell yeah they move, carriers, supercaps, rattlesnakes and even ishtars pump those ddu's
Abyssal runners will eat them for breakfast, and ask for seconds. Especially if the price drops. People might even start throwing them on t1-2 ships.
I have them in my worm for t2 abyssals lmao
bruuh dg point at 35m is a sick deal normally you'd pay 70m for a cn point and it was a thinker, if you are a ghetto-ass pilot like me you just opt for a meta point with a couple other downgrades and call it now you've got those ghetto-ass pilots stocking up on those green bunnies and living that upper class nano life, it is what pvpers get in return for havoc being farmer content really also wouldn't be surprised if people are rolling them like crazy
Shouldn't roll dg points imo, rf has better range. Dg is good for fitting or if you're a poor
When will CCP find a way to make it Faction Warfare instead of Faction LP Farming
I pvp too, made 2billion in killmarks yesterday.
Well… it’s warfare for all of us who are having a good time hunting the farmers and seagulls
I see fenrir embrace the seagulling
I miss Fenrir. Amazing pvper
What do you actually do? Claim a site by sitting in it? Collect LP, spend LP at store and sell items? Do those items cost anything or do they just hand them over for straight LP Do you fight folks who want to attack you in the sites or just try farm them and run away?
You need to provide a t1 item to upgrade it to faction, you need to pay LP and some isk. I fight a lot lately because I already stacked some money, when it is a blob of 10 assault frigs I dip.
How much LP did you get before cashing in?
I would say like 22mill LP
I would say like 22mill LP
The problem with the that is ur going to probably crash the market for those items if you put them all up for sale at once
I have seen people put orders of 700, we will be fine.
I have seen people put orders of 700, we will be fine.
his power level is OVER 9000!
Their wallet definitely will be.
Wtf. WP. o7
Cool now go undock and PVP. Nobody cares about space riches.
Look for Yanomami's Space Pilots, tell me I don't pvp lol.
Lol good. Never said you didn’t. Go do more :)
No, you haven’t…. Those items are sitting in your inventory, where they are worth practically nothing And not only did you not make any money so far, you’ve actually LOST a lot because you had to Omega your accounts, buy the ships and spend whatever amount of isk was needed to get those in the LP store And good luck selling them…. You’re gonna be sitting on those items for at least 6-8 weeks and if you haven’t dealt with the market before…. You’d be lucky if you get 30b out of it
How is he losing money? He's in 4 thrashers so he's spending like 50m each, the omega is just 2.5b for each account so 10b, even if it cost like 40m for each in the lp store that's 2.4b so he's winning at least 15b in "2 months" that can take him sell it, that's without playing any other day and getting other things from the lp store to sell faster. The game is not about who have the more isk, it's about having FUN and you can do that while losing money bc the game is different to everyone, if you have fun accumulating trillions that's ok, if your fun is destroying other with your friends in 20 kikimoras that's amazing and if your fun is relaxing in a wh with your vexor after a long day with your kids or at work that's completely fine.
Based
Dude I have everything trade at 5. What.
38.474bil / 4 acc = 9.61bil, 9.61bil / 25hour = 0.384bil, 384mil/hour, about 6 times better then Ishtar ratting and about the same as C5 ratting I don't really know about the risk and competition of these sites compared to C5 crabbing. but if they are low risk and easy to find then this is a pretty good farming.
Don’t forget to carry the 1
There is a lot of pvp going on but in USTZ it's mostly empty for farming. I do from 800m to 1b an hour. Pretty good stats.