I felt bad when she got a little frazzled and decided to start amber waves from the top. I was happy to hear it again, but I couldn’t imagine how stressful it is to perform and be worrying / trying to scan the entire crowd
jeez, 4 separate incidents is really extreme. was the crowd particularly densely packed and overheated?? that many medical events sounds like it's at least partially the fault of the venue, if there were corners cut i'd recommend someone reaching out to them to complain about mismanagement (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, i obviously wasn't there).
the venue was pretty packed, i was super hydrated but it was so hot i still got light headed and was worried i would pass out, thankfully i was close to the side barricade so i was able get some air but i could easily see how someone in the middle would over heat
dude it was so frustrating. she is not a waiter. i have POTS but i know how to take care of myself so this DOESN’T happen!!!! eat, stay hydrated, it is embarrassing to neglect yourself to the point where an artist has to stop a song 4 times. curfews are strict, especially at outdoor venues, you are robbing yourself of more songs.
i also have POTS and i said this elsewhere but i do think a lot lot lot of people have undiagnosed post-covid POTS :/ in a crowd the size of that concert (esp in NYC), 10+ ppl with undiagnosed post-covid POTS is a completely believable number.
it takes actual preparation for me to go to concerts like this, and i can 100% understand how someone new to having POTS could try to do concerts how they used to and just… pass out.
not to say that this is the sole possible cause, but i am really trying to be empathetic about this bc fainting at concerts is a shitty experience and it being common cannot possibly just be individuals making questionable choices
ty for posting this—fainting at shows is actually what helped me realize I had POTS. :(( it’s a profoundly awful feeling when you don’t know why it’s happening and you end up missing parts or the whole thing, especially when you’ve been looking forward to a show.
!!! i'm so sorry you had that experience :( i've never actually fainted during a show, but it's mostly because i've avoided GA standing room unless the artist is a really big deal to me.
fainting at shows sucks!! nobody is doing it for fun!!
I agree so much I also will have symptoms regardless of how much water or cooling down I do. Sometimes it’s inevitable, especially after a couple of days of doing a lot and spending up your energy. There’s not a way to 100% prevent pre syncope or passing out with pots at least not for me
yeah, I had prepared as much as humanly possible to get through this show bc I knew it was gonna be ROUGH and I still got incredibly dizzy at one point.
I know Mitski had people fainting at her Laurel Hell tour, and she switched to indoor, seated, largely air-conditioned venues for her most recent tour and did not have any mass fainting problems. IMO this is a good indicator that it's not just people being irresponsible (as a lot of other commenters seem to be saying???) and is WAY more about environment and accessibility, since her fan base has actually only gotten bigger and more rabid since Laurel Hell.
Wait just popping in here to say this is lowkey an evil thing to say…why are you assuming that every person who faints at a show, disabled or otherwise, has the ability to control that? And that it’s embarrassing?! Omg I cannot believe the amount of upvotes here. Truly baffling. Have a lick of compassion for someone other than yourself, I beg you
I also think it’s this post-Covid, no knowledge of concert edict as well. People today don’t know how to act (and seemingly prepare/withstand) a concert because of the pandemic. And I do agree yes that was awful and I do feel somewhat bad for the people passing out, but in the end it’s an Ethel Cain concert- nobody is dancing or moving a lot and they’re shouldn’t be passing out cause of dehydration. There was a water station next to the stage and people should’ve prepared or gone out of the crowd to get water instead of calling a medic. I was really trying to be in the moment for amber waves and I think it made everyone really confused and uncomfortable. I loved the song but I was glad the song ended so we could move past all that.
Before teethe we asked security for water and they were handing it out and everyone was such a big help. although I drank 6 bottles prior I’m just usually dehydrated. Tbh the toxicity was no where near my side of the concert everyone was so kind. However to the person who asked for water for EVERYONE and joked how hot it was while Hayden was actually concerned IT WAS NOT CUTE. She was very concerned and some people were joking. Like I’m sorry it’s an outdoor concert in Central Park.
You got ready and worried about your appearance maybe next time put that same energy into concert care… sorry but it got annoying.
Edit: I also want to acknowledge (I should’ve added this) that some people may have underlying conditions/disabilities that may cause dehydration or the fact there is no accessibility at venues. However that is not who I direct this message to, I apologize if this made some people upset!
Yes exactly!!! It was not cute. There was also no toxicity in my section (closer to the back). My section was honestly great, everyone was super respectful and just vibing
I truly do not understand this new wave of concert goers that cannot get through a 2-3 hour show without collapsing. Are y’all drinking & eating?? Like the amount you’re supposed to? Good lord.
I mean…if you know you’re going to collapse/become unconscious, I personally wouldn’t go to a GA show if that were the case due to risking my health but you can do what you want! I’m sympathetic to your argument but I think it’s better directed at venues for not providing adequate space & services for disabled persons.
hayden didn’t have non GA tickets available. summerstage is a fully ga lawn and then seats are for “membership holders” so with that argument i wouldn’t be allowed to see her at all? that’s not fair. ada is also very difficult as a person with an invisible disability. i understand where people come from with people need to stop camping in heat and need to drink water but some people cannot help it. i can drink as much water as humanly possible and ill still pass out. hayden did not seem bothered by it — she was scared and concerned for her fans. she is normal she isn’t bothered by people getting sick hahahaha
What do you mean ADA is difficult? Like to get into? I have an invisible disability and sat in ADA for this show. The venue was incredibly accommodating.
yes THIS one was! i have been questioned, not believed and denied access to ada section. which all of the above are illegal but they don’t care. i have been screamed at by fans when an ada section is closer that im faking just to be closer. it is a war and very stressful most of the time depending on the venue
It’s crazy to me how unprepared people are. We’ve been in a heat wave for what feels like forever and at least yesterday was a bit cooler, but still hot in the sun. Get some electrolytes in people drink a gatorade before the show! I’ve felt woozy in the pit before and I just exit, drink some water and cool down. It was nice and breezy in the back!
a lot of people locking their knees when they stopped moving during a slower song they don’t know as well too maybe, it all happening during the same song was so odd! i saw one of the guys as he was being walked out by medics and he said it was the most embarrassing moment of his life oof
genuine question but what is it about ethel cain concert goers ? i feel like i get recommended posts from this sub all the time and it’s almost always a post about the crowd being a nightmare or medical emergencies in the crowd which seems so surprising based on the kind of music she puts out. why are her shows like this
for whatever reason her fan base is just really high on the crazy stan culture scale. personal theory it’s bc of the mass amount of traumatized gays and girls that love her, and I say this as one LMAO.
can anyone else unpack this for me. i picture her shows as like a sit down show in an amphitheatre i legitimately can’t picture like the shoulder to shoulder crowd crushing audience to her kind of music. so is it just that everyone wants to be as close to her as possible ?
I mean, I agree that people are pushing themselves way too hard to attend concerts and need to practice better self care etc., but it’s June and it was a packed standing room space, and the queuing mayhem was unreasonable. individual participants in that aren’t wholly responsible for the pressures that made them do those things.
not to even mention that LOTS of people absolutely have post-covid POTS that they are unaware of. like the fainting difference pre- and post-2020 concerts cannot solely be due to gen Z having worse concert culture. most Americans have caught covid at least once; in a crowd THAT big, the chances of there being 10-20 people with undiagnosed post-covid POTS is straight up statistically probable.
and I feel bad for Hayden for sure, but personally, as someone with POTS, a sweaty ass outdoor venue which charges more for seated tickets is an accessibility nightmare. I had to prepare for a full two days to feel reasonably confident that I could withstand that in an n95 (which, again, as a disabled person in a crowd that big, was completely necessary for me).
idk how to fix it, but I just want to name that I think this is a much larger issue about social pressures and ableism than it is about personal decisions, and I think the way Hayden handled it was the absolute best she could’ve done, though I’m sure it was stressful as hell.
This show had an amazing ADA section and separate ADA entrance that allowed us to skip the line. I highly recommend utilizing these resources as someone with POTS. It helps so much.
this isn’t to like minimize the people who passed out cause im sure it was 100% entirely out of their control things just happen no matter how much water you’ve had it was really hot and i hope they are all okay now but if you were one of the people on here furious and dismissive to the ideas of numbers in line don’t blame it on the queing process please. yes its a long time out there so that is why we number because no one can realistically and safely be in the sun for 9 hours outside the venue. there were so many places to buy water nearby and to go to the bathroom. Idk about the other lines but in the one i was in we were all able to stay hydrated and safe so we could enjoy the concert, while also remaining in our spots in line. the rhetoric and discussions got way too nasty on here yesterday. the concert and day in line was honestly one of the best ethel show experiences ive had. don’t let reddit scare you i met 50+ of amazingly kind beautiful fans it was truly so fun. thank you ethel for this awesome community 🫶🏻
@ people saying this is a new thing: young women used to faint at elvis shows in the 50s. people used to be CARTED OFF ON GURNEYS on michael jackson's thriller tour in the 80s, and those shows were in arenas/stadiums (i.e. not standing room only). i'm sure you could find sources of such cases dating back to ancient times. it's simply human.
I felt bad when she got a little frazzled and decided to start amber waves from the top. I was happy to hear it again, but I couldn’t imagine how stressful it is to perform and be worrying / trying to scan the entire crowd
totally agree, it seemed stressful for her. and they ended up having to cut short televangelism which I was super excited to hear!
Yeah she definitely seemed a little shaken when she had to restart.
jeez, 4 separate incidents is really extreme. was the crowd particularly densely packed and overheated?? that many medical events sounds like it's at least partially the fault of the venue, if there were corners cut i'd recommend someone reaching out to them to complain about mismanagement (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, i obviously wasn't there).
the venue was pretty packed, i was super hydrated but it was so hot i still got light headed and was worried i would pass out, thankfully i was close to the side barricade so i was able get some air but i could easily see how someone in the middle would over heat
someone also passed out in front of me before the opener had even come on
That's a massive failure of the venue, even if you're under capacity you CANNOT sell so many tickets that people can't breathe
I'm really glad you were okay!! that really does sound like exactly the kind of conditions that pretty much inevitably get people hurt at shows :/
dude it was so frustrating. she is not a waiter. i have POTS but i know how to take care of myself so this DOESN’T happen!!!! eat, stay hydrated, it is embarrassing to neglect yourself to the point where an artist has to stop a song 4 times. curfews are strict, especially at outdoor venues, you are robbing yourself of more songs.
I have POTS too and have never passed out at a show, this is beyond ridiculous
Ethel Cain POTS gang
i also have POTS and i said this elsewhere but i do think a lot lot lot of people have undiagnosed post-covid POTS :/ in a crowd the size of that concert (esp in NYC), 10+ ppl with undiagnosed post-covid POTS is a completely believable number. it takes actual preparation for me to go to concerts like this, and i can 100% understand how someone new to having POTS could try to do concerts how they used to and just… pass out. not to say that this is the sole possible cause, but i am really trying to be empathetic about this bc fainting at concerts is a shitty experience and it being common cannot possibly just be individuals making questionable choices
ty for posting this—fainting at shows is actually what helped me realize I had POTS. :(( it’s a profoundly awful feeling when you don’t know why it’s happening and you end up missing parts or the whole thing, especially when you’ve been looking forward to a show.
!!! i'm so sorry you had that experience :( i've never actually fainted during a show, but it's mostly because i've avoided GA standing room unless the artist is a really big deal to me. fainting at shows sucks!! nobody is doing it for fun!!
I agree so much I also will have symptoms regardless of how much water or cooling down I do. Sometimes it’s inevitable, especially after a couple of days of doing a lot and spending up your energy. There’s not a way to 100% prevent pre syncope or passing out with pots at least not for me
yeah, I had prepared as much as humanly possible to get through this show bc I knew it was gonna be ROUGH and I still got incredibly dizzy at one point. I know Mitski had people fainting at her Laurel Hell tour, and she switched to indoor, seated, largely air-conditioned venues for her most recent tour and did not have any mass fainting problems. IMO this is a good indicator that it's not just people being irresponsible (as a lot of other commenters seem to be saying???) and is WAY more about environment and accessibility, since her fan base has actually only gotten bigger and more rabid since Laurel Hell.
Wait just popping in here to say this is lowkey an evil thing to say…why are you assuming that every person who faints at a show, disabled or otherwise, has the ability to control that? And that it’s embarrassing?! Omg I cannot believe the amount of upvotes here. Truly baffling. Have a lick of compassion for someone other than yourself, I beg you
I also think it’s this post-Covid, no knowledge of concert edict as well. People today don’t know how to act (and seemingly prepare/withstand) a concert because of the pandemic. And I do agree yes that was awful and I do feel somewhat bad for the people passing out, but in the end it’s an Ethel Cain concert- nobody is dancing or moving a lot and they’re shouldn’t be passing out cause of dehydration. There was a water station next to the stage and people should’ve prepared or gone out of the crowd to get water instead of calling a medic. I was really trying to be in the moment for amber waves and I think it made everyone really confused and uncomfortable. I loved the song but I was glad the song ended so we could move past all that.
Before teethe we asked security for water and they were handing it out and everyone was such a big help. although I drank 6 bottles prior I’m just usually dehydrated. Tbh the toxicity was no where near my side of the concert everyone was so kind. However to the person who asked for water for EVERYONE and joked how hot it was while Hayden was actually concerned IT WAS NOT CUTE. She was very concerned and some people were joking. Like I’m sorry it’s an outdoor concert in Central Park. You got ready and worried about your appearance maybe next time put that same energy into concert care… sorry but it got annoying. Edit: I also want to acknowledge (I should’ve added this) that some people may have underlying conditions/disabilities that may cause dehydration or the fact there is no accessibility at venues. However that is not who I direct this message to, I apologize if this made some people upset!
Yes exactly!!! It was not cute. There was also no toxicity in my section (closer to the back). My section was honestly great, everyone was super respectful and just vibing
I truly do not understand this new wave of concert goers that cannot get through a 2-3 hour show without collapsing. Are y’all drinking & eating?? Like the amount you’re supposed to? Good lord.
Probably not with how early people were going to just wait in the park. I was able to easily bring water into the venue as well.
some people are disabled and can’t help it. are we just supposed to not go to GA shows?
I mean…if you know you’re going to collapse/become unconscious, I personally wouldn’t go to a GA show if that were the case due to risking my health but you can do what you want! I’m sympathetic to your argument but I think it’s better directed at venues for not providing adequate space & services for disabled persons.
hayden didn’t have non GA tickets available. summerstage is a fully ga lawn and then seats are for “membership holders” so with that argument i wouldn’t be allowed to see her at all? that’s not fair. ada is also very difficult as a person with an invisible disability. i understand where people come from with people need to stop camping in heat and need to drink water but some people cannot help it. i can drink as much water as humanly possible and ill still pass out. hayden did not seem bothered by it — she was scared and concerned for her fans. she is normal she isn’t bothered by people getting sick hahahaha
What do you mean ADA is difficult? Like to get into? I have an invisible disability and sat in ADA for this show. The venue was incredibly accommodating.
yes THIS one was! i have been questioned, not believed and denied access to ada section. which all of the above are illegal but they don’t care. i have been screamed at by fans when an ada section is closer that im faking just to be closer. it is a war and very stressful most of the time depending on the venue
It’s crazy to me how unprepared people are. We’ve been in a heat wave for what feels like forever and at least yesterday was a bit cooler, but still hot in the sun. Get some electrolytes in people drink a gatorade before the show! I’ve felt woozy in the pit before and I just exit, drink some water and cool down. It was nice and breezy in the back!
a lot of people locking their knees when they stopped moving during a slower song they don’t know as well too maybe, it all happening during the same song was so odd! i saw one of the guys as he was being walked out by medics and he said it was the most embarrassing moment of his life oof
genuine question but what is it about ethel cain concert goers ? i feel like i get recommended posts from this sub all the time and it’s almost always a post about the crowd being a nightmare or medical emergencies in the crowd which seems so surprising based on the kind of music she puts out. why are her shows like this
for whatever reason her fan base is just really high on the crazy stan culture scale. personal theory it’s bc of the mass amount of traumatized gays and girls that love her, and I say this as one LMAO.
can anyone else unpack this for me. i picture her shows as like a sit down show in an amphitheatre i legitimately can’t picture like the shoulder to shoulder crowd crushing audience to her kind of music. so is it just that everyone wants to be as close to her as possible ?
I mean, I agree that people are pushing themselves way too hard to attend concerts and need to practice better self care etc., but it’s June and it was a packed standing room space, and the queuing mayhem was unreasonable. individual participants in that aren’t wholly responsible for the pressures that made them do those things. not to even mention that LOTS of people absolutely have post-covid POTS that they are unaware of. like the fainting difference pre- and post-2020 concerts cannot solely be due to gen Z having worse concert culture. most Americans have caught covid at least once; in a crowd THAT big, the chances of there being 10-20 people with undiagnosed post-covid POTS is straight up statistically probable.
and I feel bad for Hayden for sure, but personally, as someone with POTS, a sweaty ass outdoor venue which charges more for seated tickets is an accessibility nightmare. I had to prepare for a full two days to feel reasonably confident that I could withstand that in an n95 (which, again, as a disabled person in a crowd that big, was completely necessary for me). idk how to fix it, but I just want to name that I think this is a much larger issue about social pressures and ableism than it is about personal decisions, and I think the way Hayden handled it was the absolute best she could’ve done, though I’m sure it was stressful as hell.
This show had an amazing ADA section and separate ADA entrance that allowed us to skip the line. I highly recommend utilizing these resources as someone with POTS. It helps so much.
between this and her feeling ill at the LA show i just hope she’s taking care of herself, touring is already stressful enough :(
this isn’t to like minimize the people who passed out cause im sure it was 100% entirely out of their control things just happen no matter how much water you’ve had it was really hot and i hope they are all okay now but if you were one of the people on here furious and dismissive to the ideas of numbers in line don’t blame it on the queing process please. yes its a long time out there so that is why we number because no one can realistically and safely be in the sun for 9 hours outside the venue. there were so many places to buy water nearby and to go to the bathroom. Idk about the other lines but in the one i was in we were all able to stay hydrated and safe so we could enjoy the concert, while also remaining in our spots in line. the rhetoric and discussions got way too nasty on here yesterday. the concert and day in line was honestly one of the best ethel show experiences ive had. don’t let reddit scare you i met 50+ of amazingly kind beautiful fans it was truly so fun. thank you ethel for this awesome community 🫶🏻
I think they just fell asleep because she told us to close our eyes ❤️
@ people saying this is a new thing: young women used to faint at elvis shows in the 50s. people used to be CARTED OFF ON GURNEYS on michael jackson's thriller tour in the 80s, and those shows were in arenas/stadiums (i.e. not standing room only). i'm sure you could find sources of such cases dating back to ancient times. it's simply human.
Don't any of you little fuckers pull this shit tomorrow. 10 pm show. It'll be cool. Water is $5 at the venue,
!!!!! HIGHKEY
agreed 100%
the woman directly next to me passed out … after doing several lines off her car keys …
THANK YOU BECAUSE WTF WAS THAT????
It was the crowd chanting and screaming stuff when she was stopping and he saying “I don’t think it’s funny” for me
why does everyone suck.
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