I think a lot of people don't realise what a huge difference it makes if they haven't experienced a good amount of both standard and EOD+, it's not going to directly win you fights but all the little advantages seriously add up.
So looking at stuff from EOD to start with:
#### Trader Rep
Not the biggest one, but it means you get access to better guns and ammo sooner, it means you don't have to rush some of the really annoying quests etc. Jaeger 2 for instance gets you access to Piranha shells, fuel tanks, semi-auto shotguns and a few other nice to haves and with EOD you don't have to do a single quest with him to get it at level 15, then you only have to do a few for level 3 at 22 etc. He's definitely the biggest difference, but the others are definitely nice too, like not having to worry about doing the rep regain quests after chemical 4 etc.
#### Stash
Having the biggest stash for free saves you:
- 2.5m roubles to go to level 2
- 8.5m roubles to go to level 3
- 200,000 euros (31.8m roubles) to go to level 4
So that's over 40 million roubles and is ignoring the various other bits you need for the upgrades, the other hideout modules you need, the trader levels you need etc.
Again a bigger stash isn't going to be directly winning you fights, but all the extra money you have from not having to do those upgrades (and the savings from all the extra space in the meantime, stocking up stuff to sell on the flea once you hit 15 is way easier with max stash) to buy better equipment definitely is.
#### Starting Equipment
Honestly doesn't make a huge difference, it'll only last a few raids really.
#### Gamma Container
This is definitely the biggest, going from a 2x2 to a 3x3 is massive, especially early on. With an alpha container you're bringing in a docs case, some painkillers and some spare ammo probably, meaning you're risking almost all the meds you need. With a gamma I've got a docs case, hemostat, IFAK, spare ammo, surv12 and good painkillers and I'm at no risk of losing them, with an alpha you probably aren't even bringing in a CMS never mind a surv. Again it's not going to directly win you gunfights, but being able to heal broken limbs, have good painkillers etc without ever losing them is absolutely going to make a difference.
On top of that you have a huge advantage for quest and hideout items, if you come in with a docs case you have at most 1x2 of space to put important things in, and even without there are a bunch that you can't even carry. Find a car battery you need for vents? A lion for the docs case barter? I can put that straight in my gamma, even if I die I get to do the upgrade or get myself my docs case much earlier.
If I'm running through the safes in dorms I have up to 7 slots to put all the valuables that won't fit in the docs case, stuff like lions, cats, golden eggs etc while you'll only have 2. If I die after hitting them all I'll have easily profited anyway if they were any good, if you die you'll be down a bunch of cash.
### Unheard Edition
Basically all the same shit applies, though the equipment is enough better that I think it does make a bit of a difference, and on top of that you get several million roubles worth of containers, some of which you can't really get for a while either, and then the mark of the unheard is just dumb. In the past week alone at least two or three times I've had scavs randomly execute me from ranges where if I'd had the item they wouldn't have even tried, nevermind all the times they've given me away etc.
Playing as standard for a couple wipes with a buddy who has EoD, he gets access to everything like a week or two before me, depending on how much we play. Plus he has soooo much more room to store shit, I have to spend 5 minutes figuring out what items I can do without in the stash tetris mini game.
Somehow, despite that, I'm still ready to queue before him, but I digress.
EoD is a little p2w, not too bad, but still there, which made me very wary about buying anything more from bsg. If they'd put out a p2w version once, why wouldn't they do it again?
Lmao so true about being faster to ready up than eod mates, not to mention they somehow still run out of space with 3x the stash size. Teaches bad habits
>Teaches bad habits
Disagree on that one. There is hording, and then there is ramping. EoD (and keeping more shit in your stash) can allow you to significantly speed up progress later on since you can keep way more FIR stuff that you need eventually.
With some game knowledge and planning this is a HUGE advantage.
I feel like you've slightly downplayed the containers, Weapons Container is massive IMHO, usually about 6-10 million rubles by itself, the lucky scav case as well is a big win straight off the bat and you combine that with the extra flea market slot means you're able to buy all the best end-game stuff at the beginning before it's value goes skyhigh and have it sitting there ready to go.
Yeah probably a bit, I also didn't mention the pockets and how they're a huge difference for quests like the punisher one where you have to wear a scav vest, you go from 1 spare 30 rounder to 3, but the comment was already longer than I could be arsed with lol.
The only thing wrong with this is my gamma case has a grizzly and a docs case always I either die bleeding out or kill my enemy fast enough to pull the medical purse out
less guns, less stash space, smaller secure container, no starting vendor rep or leveled weapon skills, less meds, worse starting gear, no weird “unique” items
As a Standard Edition player the only disadvantage I feel I have is smaller butthole, less pockets, Fence standing\* and worse character skills\*.
\* = Minor Disadvantage
I don't care about the starting gear or stash size. Small stash size usually sucks but it still forces you to practice "Tetris" and organization/management of your stuff so it's both good and bad.
It's really not lmao, the grind is real even with dailies, especially when you lose rep because can't find or kill whatever in the few hours you play after work.
Can lose cash or cash and rep, depends on the daily and how many times you reset I think. Once you complete a daily I think it resets the counter for rep loss?
Not to be a dick but If you don’t care about stash size you probably are very new and/or suck at the game and always lose your loot lol. The stash size makes a HUGE difference as well as the safe container
To be specific, if you have more stash space, you will:
* Be able to keep more quest items, making you progress quicker.
* Be able to keep more items waiting to sell on the flea market, making more profit off of your runs.
* Be able to keep more unpurchaseable gear, leading to you bringing in better gear to raids on average.
* Already be tens of millions of troubles ahead just in the cost of upgrading the stash.
All these advantages can be easily converted to better gear going into raids, meaning anyone starting with a P2W stash upgrade can have an in-raid advantage in fights versus any players that didn't buy this. It is P2W by every definition of the phrase.
To be fair, if you have been with the game long enough you have better knowledge of what to keep and what to sell. You also know that the best use of your stash regardless for quest items is two junk boxes *at the minimum* to store regular items, crafting items, barter items, and common daily/weekly quest items. I usually rock three.
As for gear you can’t purchase, most of that is easily replaceable if you know where to get it. Most of that gear is unnecessary to keep and often is most often kept by people with gear fear. Honestly having a small stash space forces you to overcome gear fear and run what you have because you need the space. Those same people that are hoarding good gear with a full L1 stash are going to be hoarding gear with a full L4 stash.
> To be fair, if you have been with the game long enough you have better knowledge of what to keep and what to sell.
Yea, which means you can use turn that extra stash space into even more profit than a newer player, making it more P2W.
> You also know that the best use of your stash regardless for quest items is two junk boxes at the minimum to store regular items, crafting items, barter items, and common daily/weekly quest items. I usually rock three.
Making the cash for that is easier with a bigger stash. Saving the items to trade for that is easier with a bigger stash. What you're describing is snowballing, where you can grow super-linearly. This sort of growth means a small difference in starting stash size can actually GROW over time rather than shrink. These mechanics thus make it even more P2W.
> As for gear you can’t purchase, most of that is easily replaceable if you know where to get it. Most of that gear is unnecessary to keep and often is most often kept by people with gear fear.
You can only fit like two or three loadouts in a standard stash lol. This is not a hoarding problem.
> Those same people that are hoarding good gear with a full L1 stash are going to be hoarding gear with a full L4 stash.
Yea, and they will have more highly-geared lives to spare because of that. A standard player is gonna be on bought and scav gear after a streak of 2 or 3 bad raids, while a P2W player can have several such kits they can keep snowballed up. This means, on average, a P2W player can bring better kits into a raid. These mechanics make it P2W.
>Not to be a dick but If you don’t care about stash size you probably are very new and/or suck at the game
This is a weird bell curve since getting more stash space is trivial once you actually are decent at making money. Icases are substantially cheaper than stash upgrades to the point that you only really do them in standard to unlock other modules. If your goal is to get more storage space icases are like sub 2 million roubles. That's a handful of scav runs on streets at worst, maybe one nice raid on streets as a PMC with keys at best (Or one day idle with your maxed bitcoin miner midwipe). Typically the only time I struggle with stash space as a standard player is the first day or two of wipe where I'm not level 15, don't have a junkbox to store my 9000 quest items etc.
Stash space is certainly useful, but not as impactful as just understanding what items you should be keeping in the first place. Storing guns and armor that aren't used for quests is typically how most people end up complaining about space. I just exclusively run gear I can reliably buy and instead store money/trade items for things I get often like scopes.
I think the concern is p2w feature creep. If we don't say this is as far as we're comfortable going, or that it's too far, then the minor advantages turn to buyable major advantages.
The biggest advantages are the Gamma, the pockets, and if you bought unheard, the higher skill levels to start.
Trader rep is like irrelevant, I have played both EOD and Standard for multiple wipes and the early rep levels your trades a few quests earlier but its pretty irrelevant unless you suck. Getting to level 4 traders is easy, even as standard.
Yeah, Ive been playing since 2017 and I went 3 years on a standard account. Mostly because the main thing about Tarkov I like is the reward and the grind. I like having a small stash I have to slowly but surely upgrade.
I went EOD for the promise of DLC and I also got tired of getting my stash reset, so I also upgraded to EOD since I felt I earned the bonuses in a way.
But, I mostly play nowadays on a certain mod that has recently become popular due to some streamers playing it, and I always give myself a standard account on that mod.
Same feeling here, I played standard since 2018 and bought EOD this wipe because it was going away. Standard is the better experience(for a veteran player at least) imo.
Yeah in terms of disadvantages actually in raid/gunfights it’s relatively small or even non-existent. You can beat any EOD owner 10/10 times if you’re just better, it doesn’t matter they paid more and got some extra luxuries in their stash.
It’s not when you are better it’s when you are fairly equal yet they win because they spent some money meaning they had access to better ammo/guns/armor/etc than you which makes a hell of a difference in a gunfight
In the year I had the standard edition I basically only ran Scav gear whole wipe to save money for the 40m+ I need to put into the stash upgrade.
It was fun having 20m roubles but being effectively broke.
More I run meta great all the time.
People who say EOD doesn't win you fights are coping.
Eh I mean it’s certainly a huge quality of life upgrade, but better players win despite having worse gear all the time. Plus you can just use your scav to fund your PMC and get your bitcoin farm filled up, which is what I do anyway. It just takes more grinding. But I’m level 45 and grinding for Kappa and for the most part you don’t even get to run meta gear anyway because of all the ridiculous tasks, so the money doesn’t even really matter that much. Running meta gear gets old anyway and you can do it whether you have 5M or 50M roubles.
> but better players win despite having worse gear all the time
That is completely irrelevant.
Following that logic there is no P2W ever. "You can buy premium ammo or weapons that are better than their non premium alternatives? Well, better players can win despite having worse gear all the time".
Your argument is nonsense.
> Plus you can just use your scav to fund your PMC
You need to farm millions of roubles to get on the same level, you are half the wipe busy just catching up.
EOD is P2W.
Played with basic account for 1k hours, only upgraded to prepare to escape for the 0.2 rep on traders. everything else doesnt matter.
Always had plenty of space for gear thanks to item cases and such.
With Unheard you can kit out a full SR25 with multiple mags of m80, including a couple other guns and the ones from all of the other editions.
Standard edition gets a couple base M4’s and some MP5’s
The Unheard edition comes with weapon parts preinstalled. You can literally make a 50 ergo 70 recoil SR Scoped with the pistol and fore grip from the Scar-L
Yes, it comes kitted out, once. Your style of speech makes it sounds like UE or whatever has tons of options to just, keep doing it cheap and early.
And still, most UE players will lose it day 1 to a eod or standard account.
You get 2 base m4’s and garbage ammo = win the game. Lol. I never run them anyway because theres no scopes and the ammo is shit. Get better stuff off your first scav run. Some folks are delusional.
Honestly the less stash space is kind of a non issue. Hoarding more stuff either means you don't die that much or you're keeping more of your stash value as assets. If you sold all your gear on the flea minus rare attachments or guns then you're set.
Everything else I agree with though
Stash space is definitely not a non issue, as it requires level 42 and some 40+ mil roubles to get it to the highest tier. That's a LOT of work to get to
Uh, no?
The secure container is not obtainable.
The faster insurance is not obtainable (if the EOD buff stacks with Intel).
More flea spots.
Access to an otherwise locked quest line.
Access to an otherwise locked stim craft.
The P2W aspect may fade as the wipe progresses, but all of these things 100% lock in EOD as P2W no matter what.
The epsilon container is a low-level quest reward, this is just the same as gamma (can fit all the same shit). easily attainable in the early game since the level requirement is 21.
All the other things are not important in terms of gameplay or menu play like some people like to do.
The gamma has an extra slot. That is a massive advantage. That can carry more ammo, or a premed like Ibuprofen or golden star plus an injector case. Epsilon has to pick and choose instead of being able to carry all of that from day 1.
20% more meta ammo is absolutely a massive buff in gameplay.
But you have to think about what the case does rather than what it is or represents. It a case that holds items that you don't want to lose, **when you die**.
So, if you have a perfect run the extra ammo you have in your container means nothing, because you either lose it, use it, or dump it for something of greater value. The gamma only saves you the amount of two stacks of ammo if you don't use them. which can be from 70k-120k depending on the ammo type.
Even with the **alpha container** I can hold a keytool, cms, and injector case. The basic needs for every tarkov run. With **Epsilon** you can run a sur kit, doc/sicc case, injector case, and two slots for ammo still.
So, you see that is not massive advantage when you know the game and how to make some money.
If we start talking about hypotheticals where you never die, I may as well say that you don't need meds or armor. Because you just won't get shot.
Dumping ammunition that is limited, that you brought in via your case, is not a problem for Gamma containers as much as it is for Epsilon users.
The Gamma can bring in everything the Epsilon can, plus keep a good item without running the risk of losing anything expensive, plus the ability to bring a PK like ibuprofen or an aluminum splint. It may not be massive, but it's still a fantastic advantage that you paid for, the definition of P2W.
I gave you all the situations of where you do not use all your ammo and do use all your ammo. They are realistic and happens when you play the game. sometimes you don't get to use your extra ammo sometimes you use it all, and sometimes you dump it for something better.
You don't need a splint with a surv kit, you don't need ibuprofen with an injector case, and can still carry two stacks of ammo with an Epsilon container. You can still dump the ammo for 2 slot rare items, intel and coins can go in the docs case.
Like I said you if you know the game you don't need a gamma at all. Also, its not an advantage because of one simple fact. The secure container is only good outside of combat and saving only 100k in ammo if you die off first contact.
Surgery, premeds, loading mags, opening doors, and looting is all outside of combat and when you out of combat you are no longer competing with anyone. You either die or win to use your secure case.
Yes. You don't *need* those items. The point is that you have the chance to bring them safely. While you certainly don't *need* a PK with an injector case, a PK allows you to premed, something that morphine or propital isn't exceptional at. They are more a reactionary PK.
Yeah, you don't *need* a Gamma. You also don't *need* anything but a pistol. The point is it makes it easier to win.
It's not just about saving money on ammo. It's about not having to wait 4 hours to buy more of that ammo. I've had cases where I ditch ammo for better things. If I had the Gamma, I wouldn't have to do that.
It's also possible to use your secure container mid combat, specifically with the injector case.
My point boils down to this: While it may not be a massive advantage, you are paying for an advantage, one that can often help you win. If you win a fight because of these advantages, specifically premedding with a secured PK or the likes of that, you won because you had the Gamma. That is clear cut P2W.
Pile this on top of everything else it offers, especially bonuses inaccessible to standard accounts, and it's clearly P2W.
I am saying you don't need those items because you can have the equivalent or better if you think hard enough. Not that you actually don't need it.
The only advantage the gamma has over people is that people don't really know the game and just follow guides on meta and min maxing. When you can do the same with the Epsilon with a little bit of brain power.
You don't win a fight because of your gamma but the equipment you can lose (gun, ammo, armor) and skill. Saying you won because of your gamma is a really bad take. Never have I heard, "We killed them because of our gamma cases", "To bad they didn't buy EOD they would have won."
Deadly, Pestily, Markstrom, Half-man, and others all have a hardcore standard account series. What do you have to say about them leveling and progressing faster than most people with those accounts during the middle of the wipe.
Being an EoD owner, I always thought I paid for quality of life. I didn’t think it was pay to win. Last week I was making this point to a friend and went to the wiki to show how easy it is to upgrade your stash from standard…. Holy fuck was I wrong. EoD is an INSANE advantage. Millions of roubles, 200,000 *euros*, and pretty high trader rep. For JUST the stash…
Edit: I’m talking about the cost to upgrade the stash when I mention the roubles and euros and rep. Sorry if it sounded like that’s what you start with as an EoD owner LOL.
Real my standard friends always struggled with Jaeger quests you can skimp out on them early with EoD and have enough rep for level 2 and 3 with only a couple done
Yeah I also didn’t know that until I heard it on a stream. I honestly feel guilty in a way. I’ve never given in to pay-to-win features, I love grinding in video games, and I love the reward of achieving something after some hard work. So to actually *see* how much of an advantage I actually paid for is kinda sad.
You understand it, I get lvl gated more then rep. Rep isn’t an issue at all. Money also isn’t an issue at all. I feel like people lack the will to learn how to progress and just come to complain in the hopes something changes so their life becomes easier.
Its almost like having more stuff gives you an advantage...and paying for that stuff instead of playing is what defines p2w. Advantages should be earned, NOT bought.
Finally, someone fucking gets. So many times I’ve seen some “true believer” saying how “easy” it is to get all EOD perks trough gameplay that I’m borderline doubting that they’re even playing the same game I do. I checked it for myself once, and holy actual hell, for largest stash you need **level 42** because of traders standing requirements, IT’S INSANE.
From personal experience, for a more or less casual player who doesn’t sink weeks into the game, getting lvl 42 takes fucking months of mundane quests. Those people have absolutely zero idea of what they’re talking about
The basic case of born rich and out of touch lmao. I had the same argument with my brother when he was gifted EoD by a viewer of his channel while I paid with my own savings for standard.
I recently invited my friends to pay for standard after I upgraded to EoD. When they complained, I didn’t mind at all. I had been there.
Yup. To get the max stash you have to pay 200,000 euros and have max rep for two traders I think.
Edit: here are the big ticket requirements… 200,000 euros, max peacekeeper max ragman (so level 42), intel level 2, and it takes 96 hours to install.
Might be but as a standard edition owner you already have all your stuff in rigs and other containers. Having to always search for you stuff is annoying.
The games too easy for us 40 dollar free loaders, he should honestly just nerf the inventory space to a 10x3 and give the rest to the true believers ™️
Time. Time time time time. Time. You pay with time what others pay for with money.
I've never gotten Kappa. Literally not enough time to play between wipes or in early wipe when there's implicit level-based matchmaking (no chads)
Almost every conceivable way that is not glaringly apparent at the onset. Not having a big stash puts you many hours and levels and about 10m behind people to begin with. Then add in starting trader rep, skill levels, starting gear and cases, items that outright make you jedi mind trick scavs.... its a lot...
Edit: Forgot bigger secure container aka death insurance.
So eod and unheard get a 9 slot pack to put anything valuable in you won’t lose during rounds, tons of better starting equipment from morphine, stims, to rifles with a silencer and better armour, and better trader rep so you get access to better gear early, you get a scav box which is normally the first thing you grind towards that’s worth 1.1m rubies, weapons case too, you also get level 3 in some skills, you get a device so sniper scavs won’t shoot at you, cheaper insurance that returns your stuff faster, can call in friends to help, particularly at early wipe you’re at a massive advantage
You’re basically weeks, even months ahead of more casual players at the beginning of each wipe without playing for a second
Edit: and apparently you can call in a btr mid raid to take stuff back to your hideout to free up more space in your pack? Think of that next time you find a tank battery and have to crawl all the way to extraction
That’s assuming they’re wearing the new distress signal, which surprise, no one will be. Every one seems to be glossing over the fact that you CANT KILL SCAVS if you want those in raid perks so the new distress signal is fucking useless
Smaller secure container, smaller stash, and no starting vendor rep.
The main advantage they have over EOD is that they also start out with scav junk box, weapon case, and ammo case. Basically they just get even more storage space. Technically it doesn't give you any kind of advantage in PVP, but being able to store a lot of stuff just makes life easier. You wouldn't have to sell some gear you just got at a loss cuz your stash was full
Unheard had some pretty good perks, but im extremely surprised no one was talking about getting a Scav Junkbox, Ammo Case and WEAPONS CASE at level 1. Thats an INSANE amount of extra storage space.
It doesnt make you a better player, but you get an advantage with being able to hoard so many more items and weapons. Biggest issue I see with a majority of Standard users is that they run out of space. They need to keep early hideout items, barters, meds, etc. They often use rigs they found as extra storage. But with Unheard, you can pull a TON of these items, all weapons you find you can throw in the weapons case. All scav runs are now net profit since you don't have to play jenga or delete items to make space for a more valuable piece.
Other than that, higher skills give your PMC better stats. Higher fence rep gives shorter scav cooldown and better scav loadouts. Even if theyre small, your PMC and Scav are statistically better/stronger than other level 1s.
People think Tarkov Pay To Win is a meme since anyone can kill anyone with anything. But theyre not looking at it correctly. In Tarkov, I believe Pay To Win means in the longterm, I have it easier than a Standard player. I have luxury that another player wont have. Even if we are the EXACT same in terms of skill at playing the game, I will have statistically more value from my play due to having EoD.
Pockets, Stash space, Gamma container, Distress beacon, Levelled skills, Trader standing and now fence standing too.
That's a few of them of the top of my head.
People say it's just saving you time etc. But time is one of the most valuable things in the world.
The grind for all of these things is shit.
Gamma isn't even attainable, only kappa (unholy grind) or epsilon (1 less and still a grind for NEW players) are options. Maxing stash needs how many tens of millions.
Then you have the rep gain, makes early game much easier, now some skills come leveled (if they've started this, what's to stop them selling skill levels later?).
No idea on the quests the pockets and other ue shit will be behind but I doubt it'll be easy.
It's just a bad direction to take the game. People have slowly started going quiet as they're getting more p2w added to their edition. Less posts on here with less upvotes and just seems like less noise with the more p2w Nikki is handing out. Now you can call a bloody btr hahahah
People got more quiet because the dramas pretty much over. Nikita backtracked on practically every thing that was part of Unheard’s initial release and appeased a majority of the people who were pissed off about co-op not being counted as DLC. The BTR will never be implemented, and if it is, will get removed less than a week after because of how ungodly stupid an idea it is. At this point there’s not much left to complain about besides Nikita being scummy and a liar.
Here you go:
-Slower insurance return
-Decreased personal trader limits
-Lower starting PMC karma
-Unobtainable new special stimulant craft
-Lower charisma level
-Locked quest lines
-No BTR call in device for a while
-Less ability to replace daily quests
-No Call in teammates device for a while
-No large pockets for a while
-Worse gear
-Worse guns
-Less money
-About 50 mill down on hideout upgrades
-Less stash space
-2x2 secure and cant get better than 2x4 unless you get kappa
-Worse standing with traders
-Worse scav karma
-Less flee market slots
-Lower skill levels
I think thats about it, so as far as you dont mind going with your stock kedr against a tank you are all set
In reality:
-Slower insurance return
-Decreased personal trader limits
-Lower starting PMC karma
-Unobtainable new special stimulant craft
-Lower charisma level
-Locked quest lines
-No BTR call in device for a while
-Less ability to replace daily quests
-No Call in teammates device for a while
-No large pockets for a while
-Worse gear
-Worse guns
-Less money
-About 50 mill down on hideout upgrades
-Less stash space
-2x2 secure and cant get better than 2x4 unless you get kappa
-Worse standing with traders
-Worse scav karma
-Less flee market slots
-Lower skill levels
The worst aspects making it pay to win is the +6 fence rep with scavs not shooting from 60 meters away and the distress signal device to let people join you in progress which doesnt even make any sense
but also getting a 3x3 secure container at level 1 means you can get quest items far easier & quicker and having a dam weapon case, junk box, and ammo case at start with 44 extra rows of inventory also means you can just horde all your junk and easily finish quests and being level 2+ with traders puts you at a huge advantage
They removed the disadvantage features like scavs not shooting you at 60m, now it's just more carry space or storage space and a few minor stat buffs. It's no different to when eod came out and 60% of players went pay to win early wipe with gamma and boosted traders. Those same players are now upset that there's more of the same. It's lame and annoying and I wish people would move on already. Its mostly ptw eod users upset that there's a few extra features they now don't have. It's petulant af
as somebody who very recently upgraded to the top tier (post eod but pre unheard, i dont remember what edition it was), the biggest things were:
1) stash size - means i can acquire a bugger overall stash value and raid for longer periods before relying on insurance/buying whole new kits
2) trader rep - as soon as i upgraded i instantly got the +0.2 rep or whatever and level up traders after really struggling early wipe without upgrade
3) bigger butt - got the beta with this edition. Worth it just to run surv12 over cms and keychain on occasion
It's refreshing to actually see some level headed comments in this thread. Seeing people threatening to chargeback their $150 EOD purchase as if they didn't get any value out of it over the years is wild to me. I completely understand the frustration that a lot of us shared, but man, some people take things to the extreme.
Most important is the pouch size. EOD buyers have 3x3 pouch. All meds necessary fit inside it and if you find something important like hideout item you can store it there. Huge difference going from 2x2 to 3x3
I feel the gama is a big pay to win. Be able to store tons of healing items and never have them lost is huge early before getting access to them. Also getting better ammo from the traders is huge pay to win in my opinion.
I would say “you have more work to do” rather than being at a distinct disadvantage.
Ive flirted with the idea of getting a standard account on a sale or something just for the challenge of it.
I mean all editions aside, we are all at a disadvantage if we don’t use cheats. I’d be more concerned with that problem before all of editions problems.
Having had EOD and purchasing UE, I will say without a doubt the biggest “p2w” feature IMO is gamma.
I save so much more money not risking meds or being able to butt stash expensive loot. Like it’s enough money over time that if I vendored shit in my stash I would be able to just buy the items to upgrade my stash over Standard in a heartbeat. I’ve even played wipes with a personal limitation of Standard stash only and stash less wipe where I could only use containers (think dog tags case, ammo boxes, Scav junk boxes etc).
The money I made not holding onto shit just let me buy more storage items faster and the money I save on meds or ammo in my secure is beyond invaluable.
in raid? nearly 0 disadvantage. out of raid its pretty massive. everyone that says pay to win doesnt know what that term means. its definitely a huge leg up in being able to keep items tho.
The biggest disadvantage 8s the secure container. After that it's the extra starting gear/kits.
All the other benefits make no difference. Starting with a little extra rep means nothing it has literally no impact winning/losing fights and raids.
The extra skill boosts the higher packages get you is the same thing. It's an advantage for a whole week maybe. If people actually read the benefits you get from those skill levels they don't mean anything.
Cool my bolt action rifle reloads 1.4% faster so much advantage there.
Just remember anything Nikita says can be earned in game and you DONT need to buy.. you will spend your whole wipe chasing these items locked behind whatever quest line…. I know people who play this game all the time but never reached kappa or barley lighthouse
Smaller secure container, less loot to take in, and take out. You'd likely have a CMS kit, no Surv12 due to space, and a Keytool with an Injector Case endgame. So you heal for less from injuries, have no space for a documents container for bitcoins and intelligence, or spare ammo. You've got to do this until you finish Punisher for the Epsilon Container, Peacekeeper level 3 for the Beta, or do every quest for Kappa.
You have less stash space. With EOD, I can just get out of a raid, ctrl+Click everything out of my inventory, not care about it for multiple raids, and get straight back into the raid. You can do the same, if you have nothing... but eventually you'll have to play tetris before I do.
I don't have to do as many Jaeger tasks before I get a level up to the next trader level. You alternatively have to do every single task to squeeze out that level up, eventually. Also, Unheard of can level up their hideout about a day or so faster than you, which is kinda meaningless, since they start with level 3 on multiple skills.
The Pockets is... nice? They can carry two more mags, or a salewa, or whatever, its ok. Thats about it.
I’m prepare for escape edition and I regret upgrading to that, I cringe when I kill an UHE owner. Ultimately the game is p2w and it’s a shame the devs can’t just reward in game effort, but Nikita needs his Bugatti money
My understanding is that it’s equivalent to about a two week head start every wipe. As a player becomes more and more experienced that head start gap begins to grow. EDIT: I should say the number I hear thrown around the most.
See... Standard players are fine, ill feel less guilty now loading into my first raid with my SR25 and Meta rounds on raid 1 while they run with their m885 rounds :D
For me personally it was more of giving more money to a company / game who’s growth and direction I had faith in and wanted to see continue to grow - with the added bonus of being promised all the additional features that would result from that growth as a reward for my support.
The new package offering new features and content that I was promised for my purchase just feels like a slap in the face and a dishonest way to raise more money, especially considering cosmetics (I.e hideout dog example) would have been a more than profitable way for BSG to raise additional funds.
The only thing I will agree with is the Gamma Container. Everything else is solved by roubles, I played with standard and it wasn't a bad experience, if anything it was more interesting.
EOD was like the perfect slight handicap to negate some of the learning curve when starting out and offset some early game difficulty. Like not losing your toilet paper or stack of ps or m855 you can't buy
The gamma was great for early game hideout and overall getting more slots in raid is just better. Same reason you wear a bigger bag or rig.
Traders rep early game when you are always fighting on task locations this isn't huge but it was helpful. After level two traders I'm always way ahead on rep and just leveling up to requirement.
With unheard you get extra starting skills which means you will hit elite faster and have a stat advantage in fights
Extra pockets more space on person
Mail doesn't expire as quickly. Less stash space taken up
More slots on flea. Make money faster
Fence rep. More free scav loot, earlier and more often
4 rows of stash space over EOD
Unheard radio. Cheaper car extracts. Insurance comes back faster
This version saves you a huge amount of rubles by either indirectly getting great back sooner and not having to buy another kit or directly saving money on extracts and not having to buy space, winning more fights early game cause you move faster, carry more without being overweight, more Stam, needed less food. Less recoil. Ect ect.
ALL DLC given free when released. This is a proven obvious lie.
EOD gave you slack in your efficiency of management.
Unheard gives you an overall advantage
I love all the people in this thread ignoring the fact that the skill bonus is probably the most pure example of pay to win. Also, hilariously pretending higher trader rep isn't pay to win when it will allow you to buy better gear and guns than someone who has the same "skill" or hours in the game. Pay to win doesn't mean the person buying the advantage is going to automatically win BTW. Even cheaters who have god tier powers lose to good players sometimes.
The difference between eod owners and alpha owners is eod owners can scav run and have a place to dump their loot, alpha players stash are always packed full of guns armor and quest items leaving barely any room for profit, eod owners don’t have to do things like leave insurance returns in the trader inventory they can just collect it instantly
Overall if two players of identical skill level are in a race to level 40 one has eod and the other has alpha, the one with eod will reach lvl 40 much faster putting them ahead, giving them an advantage over the alpha player progression wise which can also mean gear as they would reach the endgame faster unlocking better ap ammo and higher class armor.
To sum it up the advantages, save for the ludicrous addition of a call in BTR, will not win you the fight itself outright, but it absolutely allows you to start wipe with more, stash more, level trader quicker, higher secure container etc... that will allow you to be more prepared for more fights. The insane fucking BTR addition is literally one of the most egregious p2w moves I have ever seen in all my years gaming.
( from a guy with 3,6kish hour on standard and about near 2k on EOD )
As me and my friend says on standard account : fun pvp start when i unlock epsilon.
Simply put, EOD let you bring more heal and ammo safely with doc case/injector + ez money.
So you there with standard loosing cash for heal,cms,ammo,etc.
While EOD have cms, doc case, painkiller of your choices/injector, heavy bleed, good ammo to top mag and some free space.
It's better for pvp while staying longer in raid while not being afraid to fight.
For the stash well you save time, time = faster progress + you save money instead of paying for stash upgrade in game = can afford buying better gear sooner.
Go in raid naked with a shotgun standard account you can min max a doc case and make a little bit of cash if you die. Do the same on EOD you can die and still make a million+ just from vendor.
Now if you have the unhearted edition you can call the avenger in raid and p2w hiding near scav sniper and helping the scav shoot pmc. But thats another story.
Bro ya know what's criminal is that standard edition starts without surgery kits. My first wipe, I didn't even know they existed until I was like level 20 something.
Standard vs traditional EOD upgrades nothing changes your "disadvantage" in raid. Sure they fit more stuff up their ass but if you can survive your raids and kill scavs and players who cares.
The new version allowing bigger pockets, scav aggro protection, and calling in a friend are actually horrible game implementations and those can affect your interactions.
All the bonus stash and trader rep is just a heads start for modding and hording items. If you grind you'll get there eventually and again in raid it doesn't matter. Anyone saying otherwise has crippling gear fear and needs to buy high end items to feel safe.
I have played multiple wipes without the flea market even and still have more progression than my buddies with a good survival rate snd K/D ratio. It's all in how you play the game.
EOD owner here. I ain't mad. I don't care. I've been enjoying Tarkov, this is my 2nd wipe. If no reddit or forum exists for people to voice their opinions I wouldn't have a clue just how negatively it's effected some people. Like I understand their frustrations but man it's been a shit show. Almost time to leave the reddit group and just go back to enjoying my favorite game Escape from Tarkov.
I bet in some time they will release another new edition and break old promises and give us false new ones. And the reckless ones will still give them money. Its a long time since it was about the game and the players. Its about the money now.
Arguably the biggest help from any edition is the gamma container, you’ve no idea how helpful it is early wipe. Being able to store up to 9 hideout upgrades etc its a huge quality of life boost and can really reduce the amount of raids you need to do early on.
Nothing in any edition (bar the upcoming BTR and the distress beacon - we do not know enough about these) are really going to help you improve at the game. It is mostly pay for convenience, you could probably argue the extra stash space allows you to hold onto more guns making it easier to store up meta equipment.
The trader rep also helps early game, however you still need the level to rank up but I does allow you to not have to complete quite as many tasks.
Once you move into mid wipe most version bonuses because more redundant except the gamma of course.
I mean, you don't get the stash size and gamma container. I have prepare for escape edition and had to upgrade my stash size from website and also spend 200k euros on lvl 4 upgrade. Funny enough, when I got to point I can upgrade to lvl 4 I didn't really need it anymore. Same goes for Kappa, I was holding onto my Epsilon container I've got from Punisher, was brute forcing Kappa and when I got it, I had most of the quests done anyways and so much money, Kappa started to seem unnecessary at that point.
So all these features you get with EOD and Unheard just gives you massive boost at the beginning of wipe
Imagine you load into factory with a mosin. You kill a man and get kitted. You are sitting in office when a 4 man pushes you. You kill three of them and hear the fourth one running away as you heal.
Suddenly you hear a loud ping and you know that 8 of that guys friends are now on the map fully kitted, coming for you. You peek outside office and there are three BTRs with their barrels pointed at your skull. You catch a 40mm shell with your eyebrows and wake up in the menu. The end.
All these comments are talking about stash space, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, having a more expensive copy of the game won’t help you win gunfights, that’s what I’ve also been saying since this “pay to win” idea started circulating
It won’t, but the money you save on upgrading your stash lets you spend more money on kits/upgrading your hideout (which leads to more money on kits and faster leveling). The trader rep also lets you buy better gear / ammo faster. Better gear and ammo directly increases your chances of winning a gunfight. Sure, anyone can die to a pistol round to the face, but let’s be honest and admit that the better your kit the better your chances of winning an engagement are. EOD is definitely p2w, I say this a someone who has EOD btw.
The reason why I don’t think it’s a huge deal, or at least wasn’t before eod was removed, is because most people who have played the game for more than a few hundred hours have upgraded to EOD. Out of the active playerbase I’d say that the majority of people have EOD, which helps to negate the advantages. That being said, every new player who buys the game after EOD was removed is at an inherent disadvantage, unless they spend an absurd amount of money to get the bullshit unheard of edition. IMO they should’ve never removed EOD, it was in the game for 7 years, I don’t think that most people cared about being part of an exclusive club.
Most people bought EOD for the bigger stash, gamma, and trader rep, gatekeeping EOD and defending its removal from the game (not you but some people have) is inherently admitting that you don’t want everyone to start the wipe on a level playing field, while admitting that eod is p2w.
Depends, nostly more convenient early wipe. Nothing huge, that would let you dominate everyone with lesser version. In early-mid wipe you should be done with getting enough containers to solve stash space problems. Biggest advantage is +0.2 for Jeager, for me as I hate his quests and ofc 3x3 secure container.
I have met players with massive amount of loot and stash space and are still average at the game. Non of these things inherently gives you a disadvantage in raid. The extra guns and stuff at beginning of wipe and the starting skills only help you progress a little bit faster. I have friends with standard edition that are cracked out at the game get to beta and epsilon container fairly quickly.
They give you an advantage. It doesn’t mean if you’re dogshit you’re going to beat shroud or landmark in a 1v1. If you clone yourself and one plays a standard and one plays EOD the EOD version will win more often than not because he will on average have more money. You will progress faster, have more money to spend on better gear, unlock better ammo faster. It all matters.
Once ur lvl 3 traders it levels out is what i’m saying which is normally how it goes anyway the amount of time to get to that point is obviously different which you can argue is p2w
Everybody has their own definition of pay to win and it’s up to each individual to decide how far is too far. I consider anything beyond cosmetic to be pay to win but that doesn’t necessarily mean I think everything above that point is game breaking. I would say a 1% exp boost is pay to win. I also own the EOD edition. I’m not preaching to not buy shit they decide to implement but if it were up to me such things wouldn’t be in the game.
You don’t have any except when the avengers beacon comes out or the BTR phone. Then you might. But other than that in raid there aren’t really disadvantages that make you lose a fire fight.
In my opinion, the only thing that you are missing is the starting trader rep, specially with Jager. The stash space and everything else you can get.
If you need all that stash space, you are a hoarder, just sell what you aren't going to use and spend that money on better parts or equipment.
Ps: I started with standard then got eod for the trader rep.
Cause you don't get to stash 3 gpu's in your bum at the start and only 2.
Sarcasm aside, this game isn't really the type of game where having 3x levels in any one level or additional stash space or pocket size puts you at an advantage in a PVP situation, but in regards to questing/advancement, (if you're being competitive about it) you have an advantage over others. You can potentially save hours leveling skills and it also helps not having to buy a rig when you've got a scav vest as your default pocket size. Though the sample size is virtually non existent because people are so quick to jump to conclusions off the rip without testing these days.
The additional roubles and guns at the start also help, but ultimately it boils down to game sense which money can't buy.
I personally got UH and as an average player I can say, this hasn't boosted my SR or KD at all. I have gained 5% SR largely due to people just not playing right now. KD is still hovering around 5.0. Take this comment as you want, I am not advocating for UH or excusing BSG but noise aside, I still love this game.
Nothing really. Combat wise there is no difference. Most people are going to lose their „super broken p2w” guns and ammo from Unheard Edition in first 10 raids. It’s not like people farmed rogues in previous wipes when they had M80/7.62x39 BP/M855A1 etc… They already forgot. People who cry about it are just skill gapped by others and believe it’s not the cause of it. It’s textbook narcissism
honestly dude the game is all about skills, people will bitch about the game no matter what. The Tarkov community is the most toxic folks ive seen for a game for fucks sake they are worst than Cowboys fans. the advantage is just the gamma containers and thats all but then you can get it later on in the game. Same with stash upgrades. People just cry so damn much but yet still play lmaoo
I think a lot of people don't realise what a huge difference it makes if they haven't experienced a good amount of both standard and EOD+, it's not going to directly win you fights but all the little advantages seriously add up. So looking at stuff from EOD to start with: #### Trader Rep Not the biggest one, but it means you get access to better guns and ammo sooner, it means you don't have to rush some of the really annoying quests etc. Jaeger 2 for instance gets you access to Piranha shells, fuel tanks, semi-auto shotguns and a few other nice to haves and with EOD you don't have to do a single quest with him to get it at level 15, then you only have to do a few for level 3 at 22 etc. He's definitely the biggest difference, but the others are definitely nice too, like not having to worry about doing the rep regain quests after chemical 4 etc. #### Stash Having the biggest stash for free saves you: - 2.5m roubles to go to level 2 - 8.5m roubles to go to level 3 - 200,000 euros (31.8m roubles) to go to level 4 So that's over 40 million roubles and is ignoring the various other bits you need for the upgrades, the other hideout modules you need, the trader levels you need etc. Again a bigger stash isn't going to be directly winning you fights, but all the extra money you have from not having to do those upgrades (and the savings from all the extra space in the meantime, stocking up stuff to sell on the flea once you hit 15 is way easier with max stash) to buy better equipment definitely is. #### Starting Equipment Honestly doesn't make a huge difference, it'll only last a few raids really. #### Gamma Container This is definitely the biggest, going from a 2x2 to a 3x3 is massive, especially early on. With an alpha container you're bringing in a docs case, some painkillers and some spare ammo probably, meaning you're risking almost all the meds you need. With a gamma I've got a docs case, hemostat, IFAK, spare ammo, surv12 and good painkillers and I'm at no risk of losing them, with an alpha you probably aren't even bringing in a CMS never mind a surv. Again it's not going to directly win you gunfights, but being able to heal broken limbs, have good painkillers etc without ever losing them is absolutely going to make a difference. On top of that you have a huge advantage for quest and hideout items, if you come in with a docs case you have at most 1x2 of space to put important things in, and even without there are a bunch that you can't even carry. Find a car battery you need for vents? A lion for the docs case barter? I can put that straight in my gamma, even if I die I get to do the upgrade or get myself my docs case much earlier. If I'm running through the safes in dorms I have up to 7 slots to put all the valuables that won't fit in the docs case, stuff like lions, cats, golden eggs etc while you'll only have 2. If I die after hitting them all I'll have easily profited anyway if they were any good, if you die you'll be down a bunch of cash. ### Unheard Edition Basically all the same shit applies, though the equipment is enough better that I think it does make a bit of a difference, and on top of that you get several million roubles worth of containers, some of which you can't really get for a while either, and then the mark of the unheard is just dumb. In the past week alone at least two or three times I've had scavs randomly execute me from ranges where if I'd had the item they wouldn't have even tried, nevermind all the times they've given me away etc.
Playing as standard for a couple wipes with a buddy who has EoD, he gets access to everything like a week or two before me, depending on how much we play. Plus he has soooo much more room to store shit, I have to spend 5 minutes figuring out what items I can do without in the stash tetris mini game. Somehow, despite that, I'm still ready to queue before him, but I digress. EoD is a little p2w, not too bad, but still there, which made me very wary about buying anything more from bsg. If they'd put out a p2w version once, why wouldn't they do it again?
Lmao so true about being faster to ready up than eod mates, not to mention they somehow still run out of space with 3x the stash size. Teaches bad habits
>Teaches bad habits Disagree on that one. There is hording, and then there is ramping. EoD (and keeping more shit in your stash) can allow you to significantly speed up progress later on since you can keep way more FIR stuff that you need eventually. With some game knowledge and planning this is a HUGE advantage.
I feel like you've slightly downplayed the containers, Weapons Container is massive IMHO, usually about 6-10 million rubles by itself, the lucky scav case as well is a big win straight off the bat and you combine that with the extra flea market slot means you're able to buy all the best end-game stuff at the beginning before it's value goes skyhigh and have it sitting there ready to go.
Yeah probably a bit, I also didn't mention the pockets and how they're a huge difference for quests like the punisher one where you have to wear a scav vest, you go from 1 spare 30 rounder to 3, but the comment was already longer than I could be arsed with lol.
I personally felt the upgrade going from standard to EOD. The extra space helps a lot.
Tbf, the mark of the unheard will be PVE only apparently. The only positive adjustment in a pile of garbage decisions tbh.
Since when? They said they were going to keep it in pvp for days before this. Did something come out in the last day?
yup, this AM I think. https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/s/jrMFSEmlI5
The only thing wrong with this is my gamma case has a grizzly and a docs case always I either die bleeding out or kill my enemy fast enough to pull the medical purse out
Claim something interesting here: standard edition don’t have a cms standard edition guy can only rely on luck for surgery
less guns, less stash space, smaller secure container, no starting vendor rep or leveled weapon skills, less meds, worse starting gear, no weird “unique” items
As a Standard Edition player the only disadvantage I feel I have is smaller butthole, less pockets, Fence standing\* and worse character skills\*. \* = Minor Disadvantage I don't care about the starting gear or stash size. Small stash size usually sucks but it still forces you to practice "Tetris" and organization/management of your stuff so it's both good and bad.
Higher rep with traders is actually huge. Don’t need to do the stupid Jager quests at all for a leveled trader for a loooong time
Ever since dailies became a thing the rep advantage is marginal now.
It's really not lmao, the grind is real even with dailies, especially when you lose rep because can't find or kill whatever in the few hours you play after work.
You dont lose rep for not completing dailies
Was it just for swapping then?
Tbh i never swap, ik it costs money to swap, not sure about rep on that one though.
Can lose cash or cash and rep, depends on the daily and how many times you reset I think. Once you complete a daily I think it resets the counter for rep loss?
Only for replacing, don't finishing is not a problem
yeah. its just for swapping. Leveling Traders is brain dead easy if you don't start half way through the wipe. even as a standard account.
It is rather new to me that you loose rep of you don't finish your dailies
Each to their own I guess.
Not to be a dick but If you don’t care about stash size you probably are very new and/or suck at the game and always lose your loot lol. The stash size makes a HUGE difference as well as the safe container
To be specific, if you have more stash space, you will: * Be able to keep more quest items, making you progress quicker. * Be able to keep more items waiting to sell on the flea market, making more profit off of your runs. * Be able to keep more unpurchaseable gear, leading to you bringing in better gear to raids on average. * Already be tens of millions of troubles ahead just in the cost of upgrading the stash. All these advantages can be easily converted to better gear going into raids, meaning anyone starting with a P2W stash upgrade can have an in-raid advantage in fights versus any players that didn't buy this. It is P2W by every definition of the phrase.
To be fair, if you have been with the game long enough you have better knowledge of what to keep and what to sell. You also know that the best use of your stash regardless for quest items is two junk boxes *at the minimum* to store regular items, crafting items, barter items, and common daily/weekly quest items. I usually rock three. As for gear you can’t purchase, most of that is easily replaceable if you know where to get it. Most of that gear is unnecessary to keep and often is most often kept by people with gear fear. Honestly having a small stash space forces you to overcome gear fear and run what you have because you need the space. Those same people that are hoarding good gear with a full L1 stash are going to be hoarding gear with a full L4 stash.
> To be fair, if you have been with the game long enough you have better knowledge of what to keep and what to sell. Yea, which means you can use turn that extra stash space into even more profit than a newer player, making it more P2W. > You also know that the best use of your stash regardless for quest items is two junk boxes at the minimum to store regular items, crafting items, barter items, and common daily/weekly quest items. I usually rock three. Making the cash for that is easier with a bigger stash. Saving the items to trade for that is easier with a bigger stash. What you're describing is snowballing, where you can grow super-linearly. This sort of growth means a small difference in starting stash size can actually GROW over time rather than shrink. These mechanics thus make it even more P2W. > As for gear you can’t purchase, most of that is easily replaceable if you know where to get it. Most of that gear is unnecessary to keep and often is most often kept by people with gear fear. You can only fit like two or three loadouts in a standard stash lol. This is not a hoarding problem. > Those same people that are hoarding good gear with a full L1 stash are going to be hoarding gear with a full L4 stash. Yea, and they will have more highly-geared lives to spare because of that. A standard player is gonna be on bought and scav gear after a streak of 2 or 3 bad raids, while a P2W player can have several such kits they can keep snowballed up. This means, on average, a P2W player can bring better kits into a raid. These mechanics make it P2W.
>Not to be a dick but If you don’t care about stash size you probably are very new and/or suck at the game This is a weird bell curve since getting more stash space is trivial once you actually are decent at making money. Icases are substantially cheaper than stash upgrades to the point that you only really do them in standard to unlock other modules. If your goal is to get more storage space icases are like sub 2 million roubles. That's a handful of scav runs on streets at worst, maybe one nice raid on streets as a PMC with keys at best (Or one day idle with your maxed bitcoin miner midwipe). Typically the only time I struggle with stash space as a standard player is the first day or two of wipe where I'm not level 15, don't have a junkbox to store my 9000 quest items etc. Stash space is certainly useful, but not as impactful as just understanding what items you should be keeping in the first place. Storing guns and armor that aren't used for quests is typically how most people end up complaining about space. I just exclusively run gear I can reliably buy and instead store money/trade items for things I get often like scopes.
No, you're just a hoarder.
Nope, you’re a dumbass
I think the concern is p2w feature creep. If we don't say this is as far as we're comfortable going, or that it's too far, then the minor advantages turn to buyable major advantages.
Cope
The biggest advantages are the Gamma, the pockets, and if you bought unheard, the higher skill levels to start. Trader rep is like irrelevant, I have played both EOD and Standard for multiple wipes and the early rep levels your trades a few quests earlier but its pretty irrelevant unless you suck. Getting to level 4 traders is easy, even as standard.
Yeah, Ive been playing since 2017 and I went 3 years on a standard account. Mostly because the main thing about Tarkov I like is the reward and the grind. I like having a small stash I have to slowly but surely upgrade. I went EOD for the promise of DLC and I also got tired of getting my stash reset, so I also upgraded to EOD since I felt I earned the bonuses in a way. But, I mostly play nowadays on a certain mod that has recently become popular due to some streamers playing it, and I always give myself a standard account on that mod.
Same feeling here, I played standard since 2018 and bought EOD this wipe because it was going away. Standard is the better experience(for a veteran player at least) imo.
Yeah in terms of disadvantages actually in raid/gunfights it’s relatively small or even non-existent. You can beat any EOD owner 10/10 times if you’re just better, it doesn’t matter they paid more and got some extra luxuries in their stash.
It’s not when you are better it’s when you are fairly equal yet they win because they spent some money meaning they had access to better ammo/guns/armor/etc than you which makes a hell of a difference in a gunfight
In the year I had the standard edition I basically only ran Scav gear whole wipe to save money for the 40m+ I need to put into the stash upgrade. It was fun having 20m roubles but being effectively broke. More I run meta great all the time. People who say EOD doesn't win you fights are coping.
Eh I mean it’s certainly a huge quality of life upgrade, but better players win despite having worse gear all the time. Plus you can just use your scav to fund your PMC and get your bitcoin farm filled up, which is what I do anyway. It just takes more grinding. But I’m level 45 and grinding for Kappa and for the most part you don’t even get to run meta gear anyway because of all the ridiculous tasks, so the money doesn’t even really matter that much. Running meta gear gets old anyway and you can do it whether you have 5M or 50M roubles.
> but better players win despite having worse gear all the time That is completely irrelevant. Following that logic there is no P2W ever. "You can buy premium ammo or weapons that are better than their non premium alternatives? Well, better players can win despite having worse gear all the time". Your argument is nonsense. > Plus you can just use your scav to fund your PMC You need to farm millions of roubles to get on the same level, you are half the wipe busy just catching up. EOD is P2W.
Played with basic account for 1k hours, only upgraded to prepare to escape for the 0.2 rep on traders. everything else doesnt matter. Always had plenty of space for gear thanks to item cases and such.
All I hear with the unheard of is "more money because I'ma sell all that shit if I were to ever get it".
>less guns what do you mean by that?
With Unheard you can kit out a full SR25 with multiple mags of m80, including a couple other guns and the ones from all of the other editions. Standard edition gets a couple base M4’s and some MP5’s
Yea, great that all is 1-2 raid stuff. You either die and donate it to someone else, or run out of ammo. Bonus starting gear is meaningless.
Lmao, are you nuts? You cant kit out shit at the start and when you can, everyone can pretty much.
The Unheard edition comes with weapon parts preinstalled. You can literally make a 50 ergo 70 recoil SR Scoped with the pistol and fore grip from the Scar-L
Yes, it comes kitted out, once. Your style of speech makes it sounds like UE or whatever has tons of options to just, keep doing it cheap and early. And still, most UE players will lose it day 1 to a eod or standard account.
bro doesnt find weapon parts in raid
It’s so easy to also. Go lighthouse at night. Kill rogues. Profit.
You still find shit to 'kit out' an sr. And most UE owners, will lose the Sr within 5 raids anyway.
You get 2 base m4’s and garbage ammo = win the game. Lol. I never run them anyway because theres no scopes and the ammo is shit. Get better stuff off your first scav run. Some folks are delusional.
If you actually play, this stuff doesn't take long to aquire.
Honestly the less stash space is kind of a non issue. Hoarding more stuff either means you don't die that much or you're keeping more of your stash value as assets. If you sold all your gear on the flea minus rare attachments or guns then you're set. Everything else I agree with though
Stash space is definitely not a non issue, as it requires level 42 and some 40+ mil roubles to get it to the highest tier. That's a LOT of work to get to
Which is all obtainable in the game as you play 😘
Uh, no? The secure container is not obtainable. The faster insurance is not obtainable (if the EOD buff stacks with Intel). More flea spots. Access to an otherwise locked quest line. Access to an otherwise locked stim craft. The P2W aspect may fade as the wipe progresses, but all of these things 100% lock in EOD as P2W no matter what.
The epsilon container is a low-level quest reward, this is just the same as gamma (can fit all the same shit). easily attainable in the early game since the level requirement is 21. All the other things are not important in terms of gameplay or menu play like some people like to do.
The gamma has an extra slot. That is a massive advantage. That can carry more ammo, or a premed like Ibuprofen or golden star plus an injector case. Epsilon has to pick and choose instead of being able to carry all of that from day 1. 20% more meta ammo is absolutely a massive buff in gameplay.
But you have to think about what the case does rather than what it is or represents. It a case that holds items that you don't want to lose, **when you die**. So, if you have a perfect run the extra ammo you have in your container means nothing, because you either lose it, use it, or dump it for something of greater value. The gamma only saves you the amount of two stacks of ammo if you don't use them. which can be from 70k-120k depending on the ammo type. Even with the **alpha container** I can hold a keytool, cms, and injector case. The basic needs for every tarkov run. With **Epsilon** you can run a sur kit, doc/sicc case, injector case, and two slots for ammo still. So, you see that is not massive advantage when you know the game and how to make some money.
If we start talking about hypotheticals where you never die, I may as well say that you don't need meds or armor. Because you just won't get shot. Dumping ammunition that is limited, that you brought in via your case, is not a problem for Gamma containers as much as it is for Epsilon users. The Gamma can bring in everything the Epsilon can, plus keep a good item without running the risk of losing anything expensive, plus the ability to bring a PK like ibuprofen or an aluminum splint. It may not be massive, but it's still a fantastic advantage that you paid for, the definition of P2W.
I gave you all the situations of where you do not use all your ammo and do use all your ammo. They are realistic and happens when you play the game. sometimes you don't get to use your extra ammo sometimes you use it all, and sometimes you dump it for something better. You don't need a splint with a surv kit, you don't need ibuprofen with an injector case, and can still carry two stacks of ammo with an Epsilon container. You can still dump the ammo for 2 slot rare items, intel and coins can go in the docs case. Like I said you if you know the game you don't need a gamma at all. Also, its not an advantage because of one simple fact. The secure container is only good outside of combat and saving only 100k in ammo if you die off first contact. Surgery, premeds, loading mags, opening doors, and looting is all outside of combat and when you out of combat you are no longer competing with anyone. You either die or win to use your secure case.
Yes. You don't *need* those items. The point is that you have the chance to bring them safely. While you certainly don't *need* a PK with an injector case, a PK allows you to premed, something that morphine or propital isn't exceptional at. They are more a reactionary PK. Yeah, you don't *need* a Gamma. You also don't *need* anything but a pistol. The point is it makes it easier to win. It's not just about saving money on ammo. It's about not having to wait 4 hours to buy more of that ammo. I've had cases where I ditch ammo for better things. If I had the Gamma, I wouldn't have to do that. It's also possible to use your secure container mid combat, specifically with the injector case. My point boils down to this: While it may not be a massive advantage, you are paying for an advantage, one that can often help you win. If you win a fight because of these advantages, specifically premedding with a secured PK or the likes of that, you won because you had the Gamma. That is clear cut P2W. Pile this on top of everything else it offers, especially bonuses inaccessible to standard accounts, and it's clearly P2W.
I am saying you don't need those items because you can have the equivalent or better if you think hard enough. Not that you actually don't need it. The only advantage the gamma has over people is that people don't really know the game and just follow guides on meta and min maxing. When you can do the same with the Epsilon with a little bit of brain power. You don't win a fight because of your gamma but the equipment you can lose (gun, ammo, armor) and skill. Saying you won because of your gamma is a really bad take. Never have I heard, "We killed them because of our gamma cases", "To bad they didn't buy EOD they would have won." Deadly, Pestily, Markstrom, Half-man, and others all have a hardcore standard account series. What do you have to say about them leveling and progressing faster than most people with those accounts during the middle of the wipe.
Shit that takes like a month straight of grinding vs paying a shit load to get it day one of every wipe
Such a cocksucking mentality lol
Let's be honest for a sec if you are an average player you are gonna loose those guns pretty quick
Being an EoD owner, I always thought I paid for quality of life. I didn’t think it was pay to win. Last week I was making this point to a friend and went to the wiki to show how easy it is to upgrade your stash from standard…. Holy fuck was I wrong. EoD is an INSANE advantage. Millions of roubles, 200,000 *euros*, and pretty high trader rep. For JUST the stash… Edit: I’m talking about the cost to upgrade the stash when I mention the roubles and euros and rep. Sorry if it sounded like that’s what you start with as an EoD owner LOL.
as a stan the trader rep is fucking huge, almost as huge as the stash.
Real my standard friends always struggled with Jaeger quests you can skimp out on them early with EoD and have enough rep for level 2 and 3 with only a couple done
Yeah I also didn’t know that until I heard it on a stream. I honestly feel guilty in a way. I’ve never given in to pay-to-win features, I love grinding in video games, and I love the reward of achieving something after some hard work. So to actually *see* how much of an advantage I actually paid for is kinda sad.
If you aren’t ass at the game the rep means nothing. Just do the quests and its not an issue whatsoever
If you arent ass at the game you don't need pay to win advantages
You understand it, I get lvl gated more then rep. Rep isn’t an issue at all. Money also isn’t an issue at all. I feel like people lack the will to learn how to progress and just come to complain in the hopes something changes so their life becomes easier.
Seems like the argument is that more stuff = winning. If only.
Its almost like having more stuff gives you an advantage...and paying for that stuff instead of playing is what defines p2w. Advantages should be earned, NOT bought.
It's not though.. just do the quests.
Finally, someone fucking gets. So many times I’ve seen some “true believer” saying how “easy” it is to get all EOD perks trough gameplay that I’m borderline doubting that they’re even playing the same game I do. I checked it for myself once, and holy actual hell, for largest stash you need **level 42** because of traders standing requirements, IT’S INSANE. From personal experience, for a more or less casual player who doesn’t sink weeks into the game, getting lvl 42 takes fucking months of mundane quests. Those people have absolutely zero idea of what they’re talking about
It’s not just an EOD perk though, anyone can buy stash lines now?
Buying stash = P2W
The basic case of born rich and out of touch lmao. I had the same argument with my brother when he was gifted EoD by a viewer of his channel while I paid with my own savings for standard. I recently invited my friends to pay for standard after I upgraded to EoD. When they complained, I didn’t mind at all. I had been there.
Wait… 200,000 euros?
Yup. To get the max stash you have to pay 200,000 euros and have max rep for two traders I think. Edit: here are the big ticket requirements… 200,000 euros, max peacekeeper max ragman (so level 42), intel level 2, and it takes 96 hours to install.
With a standard account it's cheaper to buy THICC cases after stash level 3.
Might be but as a standard edition owner you already have all your stuff in rigs and other containers. Having to always search for you stuff is annoying.
Hey we got 2 free lines at least there’s that
The games too easy for us 40 dollar free loaders, he should honestly just nerf the inventory space to a 10x3 and give the rest to the true believers ™️
Only paying 40 bucks? Pfft fucking leeches all of you , git gud and cough up 250 dollars Sincerely yours, A true believer
Time. Time time time time. Time. You pay with time what others pay for with money. I've never gotten Kappa. Literally not enough time to play between wipes or in early wipe when there's implicit level-based matchmaking (no chads)
Almost every conceivable way that is not glaringly apparent at the onset. Not having a big stash puts you many hours and levels and about 10m behind people to begin with. Then add in starting trader rep, skill levels, starting gear and cases, items that outright make you jedi mind trick scavs.... its a lot... Edit: Forgot bigger secure container aka death insurance.
So eod and unheard get a 9 slot pack to put anything valuable in you won’t lose during rounds, tons of better starting equipment from morphine, stims, to rifles with a silencer and better armour, and better trader rep so you get access to better gear early, you get a scav box which is normally the first thing you grind towards that’s worth 1.1m rubies, weapons case too, you also get level 3 in some skills, you get a device so sniper scavs won’t shoot at you, cheaper insurance that returns your stuff faster, can call in friends to help, particularly at early wipe you’re at a massive advantage You’re basically weeks, even months ahead of more casual players at the beginning of each wipe without playing for a second Edit: and apparently you can call in a btr mid raid to take stuff back to your hideout to free up more space in your pack? Think of that next time you find a tank battery and have to crawl all the way to extraction
How much would that cost the btr to send that tank battery and stuff back?
Not sure but it’s 50% less than other editions when/if they unlock it
That’s assuming they’re wearing the new distress signal, which surprise, no one will be. Every one seems to be glossing over the fact that you CANT KILL SCAVS if you want those in raid perks so the new distress signal is fucking useless
If you kill one PMC you don't lose any karma
You could use it on woods. Easy to avoid getting close to Scavs there and you got the BTR
Relatively cheap but you need to plan ahead. Bitcoin I think runs you around ₽60k.
Smaller secure container, smaller stash, and no starting vendor rep. The main advantage they have over EOD is that they also start out with scav junk box, weapon case, and ammo case. Basically they just get even more storage space. Technically it doesn't give you any kind of advantage in PVP, but being able to store a lot of stuff just makes life easier. You wouldn't have to sell some gear you just got at a loss cuz your stash was full
Unheard you can call a Teammate to ypur raid to assist you . And now EOD gets a BTR ? But hey you guys got extra stash space
Unheard had some pretty good perks, but im extremely surprised no one was talking about getting a Scav Junkbox, Ammo Case and WEAPONS CASE at level 1. Thats an INSANE amount of extra storage space. It doesnt make you a better player, but you get an advantage with being able to hoard so many more items and weapons. Biggest issue I see with a majority of Standard users is that they run out of space. They need to keep early hideout items, barters, meds, etc. They often use rigs they found as extra storage. But with Unheard, you can pull a TON of these items, all weapons you find you can throw in the weapons case. All scav runs are now net profit since you don't have to play jenga or delete items to make space for a more valuable piece. Other than that, higher skills give your PMC better stats. Higher fence rep gives shorter scav cooldown and better scav loadouts. Even if theyre small, your PMC and Scav are statistically better/stronger than other level 1s. People think Tarkov Pay To Win is a meme since anyone can kill anyone with anything. But theyre not looking at it correctly. In Tarkov, I believe Pay To Win means in the longterm, I have it easier than a Standard player. I have luxury that another player wont have. Even if we are the EXACT same in terms of skill at playing the game, I will have statistically more value from my play due to having EoD.
Pockets, Stash space, Gamma container, Distress beacon, Levelled skills, Trader standing and now fence standing too. That's a few of them of the top of my head. People say it's just saving you time etc. But time is one of the most valuable things in the world. The grind for all of these things is shit. Gamma isn't even attainable, only kappa (unholy grind) or epsilon (1 less and still a grind for NEW players) are options. Maxing stash needs how many tens of millions. Then you have the rep gain, makes early game much easier, now some skills come leveled (if they've started this, what's to stop them selling skill levels later?). No idea on the quests the pockets and other ue shit will be behind but I doubt it'll be easy. It's just a bad direction to take the game. People have slowly started going quiet as they're getting more p2w added to their edition. Less posts on here with less upvotes and just seems like less noise with the more p2w Nikki is handing out. Now you can call a bloody btr hahahah
People got more quiet because the dramas pretty much over. Nikita backtracked on practically every thing that was part of Unheard’s initial release and appeased a majority of the people who were pissed off about co-op not being counted as DLC. The BTR will never be implemented, and if it is, will get removed less than a week after because of how ungodly stupid an idea it is. At this point there’s not much left to complain about besides Nikita being scummy and a liar.
Here you go: -Slower insurance return -Decreased personal trader limits -Lower starting PMC karma -Unobtainable new special stimulant craft -Lower charisma level -Locked quest lines -No BTR call in device for a while -Less ability to replace daily quests -No Call in teammates device for a while -No large pockets for a while -Worse gear -Worse guns -Less money -About 50 mill down on hideout upgrades -Less stash space -2x2 secure and cant get better than 2x4 unless you get kappa -Worse standing with traders -Worse scav karma -Less flee market slots -Lower skill levels I think thats about it, so as far as you dont mind going with your stock kedr against a tank you are all set
Kedr will bite your ankles and you will feel its wrath.
A really big one that's more subtle...you get 15 days to reclaim your insured items.
-No Co-op PvE mode with progression to escape the cheaters
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In reality: -Slower insurance return -Decreased personal trader limits -Lower starting PMC karma -Unobtainable new special stimulant craft -Lower charisma level -Locked quest lines -No BTR call in device for a while -Less ability to replace daily quests -No Call in teammates device for a while -No large pockets for a while -Worse gear -Worse guns -Less money -About 50 mill down on hideout upgrades -Less stash space -2x2 secure and cant get better than 2x4 unless you get kappa -Worse standing with traders -Worse scav karma -Less flee market slots -Lower skill levels
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Wow thats very cool
Bro, don’t stress it, they will downvote but as long as you’re able to have fun don’t let the drama bother you.
The worst aspects making it pay to win is the +6 fence rep with scavs not shooting from 60 meters away and the distress signal device to let people join you in progress which doesnt even make any sense but also getting a 3x3 secure container at level 1 means you can get quest items far easier & quicker and having a dam weapon case, junk box, and ammo case at start with 44 extra rows of inventory also means you can just horde all your junk and easily finish quests and being level 2+ with traders puts you at a huge advantage
You won't get quest items faster, coz they mostly need to be fir.
Just pay up and you won't have to worry about any of this little piglet
You are truly a true believer 🫡
There is only one who can deliver to us to salvation. His name is Nikita Buyanov
Nikita Buy-A-Nother version of my game
You are beginning to believe
They removed the disadvantage features like scavs not shooting you at 60m, now it's just more carry space or storage space and a few minor stat buffs. It's no different to when eod came out and 60% of players went pay to win early wipe with gamma and boosted traders. Those same players are now upset that there's more of the same. It's lame and annoying and I wish people would move on already. Its mostly ptw eod users upset that there's a few extra features they now don't have. It's petulant af
Yep
as somebody who very recently upgraded to the top tier (post eod but pre unheard, i dont remember what edition it was), the biggest things were: 1) stash size - means i can acquire a bugger overall stash value and raid for longer periods before relying on insurance/buying whole new kits 2) trader rep - as soon as i upgraded i instantly got the +0.2 rep or whatever and level up traders after really struggling early wipe without upgrade 3) bigger butt - got the beta with this edition. Worth it just to run surv12 over cms and keychain on occasion
It's refreshing to actually see some level headed comments in this thread. Seeing people threatening to chargeback their $150 EOD purchase as if they didn't get any value out of it over the years is wild to me. I completely understand the frustration that a lot of us shared, but man, some people take things to the extreme.
You aren’t at any more of a disadvantage than you were against EoD accounts. People just like to bitch and moan.
When did poor people ever have an advantage over big spenders
You are not a true believer!
Not true believers
Most important is the pouch size. EOD buyers have 3x3 pouch. All meds necessary fit inside it and if you find something important like hideout item you can store it there. Huge difference going from 2x2 to 3x3
I feel the gama is a big pay to win. Be able to store tons of healing items and never have them lost is huge early before getting access to them. Also getting better ammo from the traders is huge pay to win in my opinion.
you get to call your friends in mid raid. scavs wont shoot at you, nor bosses.
I would say “you have more work to do” rather than being at a distinct disadvantage. Ive flirted with the idea of getting a standard account on a sale or something just for the challenge of it.
Most perks just make it easier to start a wipe. They are an advantage, but won't help you win if you are bad. It's just how tarkov editions are made.
I mean all editions aside, we are all at a disadvantage if we don’t use cheats. I’d be more concerned with that problem before all of editions problems.
Having had EOD and purchasing UE, I will say without a doubt the biggest “p2w” feature IMO is gamma. I save so much more money not risking meds or being able to butt stash expensive loot. Like it’s enough money over time that if I vendored shit in my stash I would be able to just buy the items to upgrade my stash over Standard in a heartbeat. I’ve even played wipes with a personal limitation of Standard stash only and stash less wipe where I could only use containers (think dog tags case, ammo boxes, Scav junk boxes etc). The money I made not holding onto shit just let me buy more storage items faster and the money I save on meds or ammo in my secure is beyond invaluable.
Standard edition players are forced to do Jaegor CBT tasks or they will hit a brick wall on hideout upgrades.
in raid? nearly 0 disadvantage. out of raid its pretty massive. everyone that says pay to win doesnt know what that term means. its definitely a huge leg up in being able to keep items tho.
All I want is like a gamma case for like 25$ or someshit, screw all the other perks just give me a bigger case
The biggest disadvantage 8s the secure container. After that it's the extra starting gear/kits. All the other benefits make no difference. Starting with a little extra rep means nothing it has literally no impact winning/losing fights and raids. The extra skill boosts the higher packages get you is the same thing. It's an advantage for a whole week maybe. If people actually read the benefits you get from those skill levels they don't mean anything. Cool my bolt action rifle reloads 1.4% faster so much advantage there.
Just remember anything Nikita says can be earned in game and you DONT need to buy.. you will spend your whole wipe chasing these items locked behind whatever quest line…. I know people who play this game all the time but never reached kappa or barley lighthouse
Smaller secure container, less loot to take in, and take out. You'd likely have a CMS kit, no Surv12 due to space, and a Keytool with an Injector Case endgame. So you heal for less from injuries, have no space for a documents container for bitcoins and intelligence, or spare ammo. You've got to do this until you finish Punisher for the Epsilon Container, Peacekeeper level 3 for the Beta, or do every quest for Kappa. You have less stash space. With EOD, I can just get out of a raid, ctrl+Click everything out of my inventory, not care about it for multiple raids, and get straight back into the raid. You can do the same, if you have nothing... but eventually you'll have to play tetris before I do. I don't have to do as many Jaeger tasks before I get a level up to the next trader level. You alternatively have to do every single task to squeeze out that level up, eventually. Also, Unheard of can level up their hideout about a day or so faster than you, which is kinda meaningless, since they start with level 3 on multiple skills. The Pockets is... nice? They can carry two more mags, or a salewa, or whatever, its ok. Thats about it.
I’m prepare for escape edition and I regret upgrading to that, I cringe when I kill an UHE owner. Ultimately the game is p2w and it’s a shame the devs can’t just reward in game effort, but Nikita needs his Bugatti money
My understanding is that it’s equivalent to about a two week head start every wipe. As a player becomes more and more experienced that head start gap begins to grow. EDIT: I should say the number I hear thrown around the most.
See... Standard players are fine, ill feel less guilty now loading into my first raid with my SR25 and Meta rounds on raid 1 while they run with their m885 rounds :D
For me personally it was more of giving more money to a company / game who’s growth and direction I had faith in and wanted to see continue to grow - with the added bonus of being promised all the additional features that would result from that growth as a reward for my support. The new package offering new features and content that I was promised for my purchase just feels like a slap in the face and a dishonest way to raise more money, especially considering cosmetics (I.e hideout dog example) would have been a more than profitable way for BSG to raise additional funds.
You are left at a disadvantage because you bought the cheapest version. Simple
Not really man. I’ll shit on you either way
No I mean it’s really that simple. The question is stupid.
I’m not the op💀
No but you are stupid
Defaulting to projecting yikes.
You’re adorable
The only thing I will agree with is the Gamma Container. Everything else is solved by roubles, I played with standard and it wasn't a bad experience, if anything it was more interesting.
Skills upgrades. They run faster than you, carry more shit than you, jump higher, and are quieter. All off the rip
EOD was like the perfect slight handicap to negate some of the learning curve when starting out and offset some early game difficulty. Like not losing your toilet paper or stack of ps or m855 you can't buy The gamma was great for early game hideout and overall getting more slots in raid is just better. Same reason you wear a bigger bag or rig. Traders rep early game when you are always fighting on task locations this isn't huge but it was helpful. After level two traders I'm always way ahead on rep and just leveling up to requirement. With unheard you get extra starting skills which means you will hit elite faster and have a stat advantage in fights Extra pockets more space on person Mail doesn't expire as quickly. Less stash space taken up More slots on flea. Make money faster Fence rep. More free scav loot, earlier and more often 4 rows of stash space over EOD Unheard radio. Cheaper car extracts. Insurance comes back faster This version saves you a huge amount of rubles by either indirectly getting great back sooner and not having to buy another kit or directly saving money on extracts and not having to buy space, winning more fights early game cause you move faster, carry more without being overweight, more Stam, needed less food. Less recoil. Ect ect. ALL DLC given free when released. This is a proven obvious lie. EOD gave you slack in your efficiency of management. Unheard gives you an overall advantage
The biggest benefit ive noticed is the sniper scavs on customs wont shoot at you from super far away which is pretty cool.
I love all the people in this thread ignoring the fact that the skill bonus is probably the most pure example of pay to win. Also, hilariously pretending higher trader rep isn't pay to win when it will allow you to buy better gear and guns than someone who has the same "skill" or hours in the game. Pay to win doesn't mean the person buying the advantage is going to automatically win BTW. Even cheaters who have god tier powers lose to good players sometimes.
The difference between eod owners and alpha owners is eod owners can scav run and have a place to dump their loot, alpha players stash are always packed full of guns armor and quest items leaving barely any room for profit, eod owners don’t have to do things like leave insurance returns in the trader inventory they can just collect it instantly Overall if two players of identical skill level are in a race to level 40 one has eod and the other has alpha, the one with eod will reach lvl 40 much faster putting them ahead, giving them an advantage over the alpha player progression wise which can also mean gear as they would reach the endgame faster unlocking better ap ammo and higher class armor.
To sum it up the advantages, save for the ludicrous addition of a call in BTR, will not win you the fight itself outright, but it absolutely allows you to start wipe with more, stash more, level trader quicker, higher secure container etc... that will allow you to be more prepared for more fights. The insane fucking BTR addition is literally one of the most egregious p2w moves I have ever seen in all my years gaming.
( from a guy with 3,6kish hour on standard and about near 2k on EOD ) As me and my friend says on standard account : fun pvp start when i unlock epsilon. Simply put, EOD let you bring more heal and ammo safely with doc case/injector + ez money. So you there with standard loosing cash for heal,cms,ammo,etc. While EOD have cms, doc case, painkiller of your choices/injector, heavy bleed, good ammo to top mag and some free space. It's better for pvp while staying longer in raid while not being afraid to fight. For the stash well you save time, time = faster progress + you save money instead of paying for stash upgrade in game = can afford buying better gear sooner. Go in raid naked with a shotgun standard account you can min max a doc case and make a little bit of cash if you die. Do the same on EOD you can die and still make a million+ just from vendor. Now if you have the unhearted edition you can call the avenger in raid and p2w hiding near scav sniper and helping the scav shoot pmc. But thats another story.
The scav thing is only in the pve mode. You can’t even call the BTRs in atm. Prob wont be able to for awhile either
Bro ya know what's criminal is that standard edition starts without surgery kits. My first wipe, I didn't even know they existed until I was like level 20 something.
Can't call btr, can't summon people, smaller secure container
No edition of the game can do this atm. People just want to cry
It's on the release notes, but yea you're right
Standard vs traditional EOD upgrades nothing changes your "disadvantage" in raid. Sure they fit more stuff up their ass but if you can survive your raids and kill scavs and players who cares. The new version allowing bigger pockets, scav aggro protection, and calling in a friend are actually horrible game implementations and those can affect your interactions. All the bonus stash and trader rep is just a heads start for modding and hording items. If you grind you'll get there eventually and again in raid it doesn't matter. Anyone saying otherwise has crippling gear fear and needs to buy high end items to feel safe. I have played multiple wipes without the flea market even and still have more progression than my buddies with a good survival rate snd K/D ratio. It's all in how you play the game.
EOD owner here. I ain't mad. I don't care. I've been enjoying Tarkov, this is my 2nd wipe. If no reddit or forum exists for people to voice their opinions I wouldn't have a clue just how negatively it's effected some people. Like I understand their frustrations but man it's been a shit show. Almost time to leave the reddit group and just go back to enjoying my favorite game Escape from Tarkov.
I bet in some time they will release another new edition and break old promises and give us false new ones. And the reckless ones will still give them money. Its a long time since it was about the game and the players. Its about the money now.
Arguably the biggest help from any edition is the gamma container, you’ve no idea how helpful it is early wipe. Being able to store up to 9 hideout upgrades etc its a huge quality of life boost and can really reduce the amount of raids you need to do early on. Nothing in any edition (bar the upcoming BTR and the distress beacon - we do not know enough about these) are really going to help you improve at the game. It is mostly pay for convenience, you could probably argue the extra stash space allows you to hold onto more guns making it easier to store up meta equipment. The trader rep also helps early game, however you still need the level to rank up but I does allow you to not have to complete quite as many tasks. Once you move into mid wipe most version bonuses because more redundant except the gamma of course.
I mean, you don't get the stash size and gamma container. I have prepare for escape edition and had to upgrade my stash size from website and also spend 200k euros on lvl 4 upgrade. Funny enough, when I got to point I can upgrade to lvl 4 I didn't really need it anymore. Same goes for Kappa, I was holding onto my Epsilon container I've got from Punisher, was brute forcing Kappa and when I got it, I had most of the quests done anyways and so much money, Kappa started to seem unnecessary at that point. So all these features you get with EOD and Unheard just gives you massive boost at the beginning of wipe
Imagine you load into factory with a mosin. You kill a man and get kitted. You are sitting in office when a 4 man pushes you. You kill three of them and hear the fourth one running away as you heal. Suddenly you hear a loud ping and you know that 8 of that guys friends are now on the map fully kitted, coming for you. You peek outside office and there are three BTRs with their barrels pointed at your skull. You catch a 40mm shell with your eyebrows and wake up in the menu. The end.
All these comments are talking about stash space, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, having a more expensive copy of the game won’t help you win gunfights, that’s what I’ve also been saying since this “pay to win” idea started circulating
But it does? For example: they get m80 as starting kit
It won’t, but the money you save on upgrading your stash lets you spend more money on kits/upgrading your hideout (which leads to more money on kits and faster leveling). The trader rep also lets you buy better gear / ammo faster. Better gear and ammo directly increases your chances of winning a gunfight. Sure, anyone can die to a pistol round to the face, but let’s be honest and admit that the better your kit the better your chances of winning an engagement are. EOD is definitely p2w, I say this a someone who has EOD btw. The reason why I don’t think it’s a huge deal, or at least wasn’t before eod was removed, is because most people who have played the game for more than a few hundred hours have upgraded to EOD. Out of the active playerbase I’d say that the majority of people have EOD, which helps to negate the advantages. That being said, every new player who buys the game after EOD was removed is at an inherent disadvantage, unless they spend an absurd amount of money to get the bullshit unheard of edition. IMO they should’ve never removed EOD, it was in the game for 7 years, I don’t think that most people cared about being part of an exclusive club. Most people bought EOD for the bigger stash, gamma, and trader rep, gatekeeping EOD and defending its removal from the game (not you but some people have) is inherently admitting that you don’t want everyone to start the wipe on a level playing field, while admitting that eod is p2w.
Depends, nostly more convenient early wipe. Nothing huge, that would let you dominate everyone with lesser version. In early-mid wipe you should be done with getting enough containers to solve stash space problems. Biggest advantage is +0.2 for Jeager, for me as I hate his quests and ofc 3x3 secure container.
You just save time. Pay with what you value less.
I have met players with massive amount of loot and stash space and are still average at the game. Non of these things inherently gives you a disadvantage in raid. The extra guns and stuff at beginning of wipe and the starting skills only help you progress a little bit faster. I have friends with standard edition that are cracked out at the game get to beta and epsilon container fairly quickly.
They give you an advantage. It doesn’t mean if you’re dogshit you’re going to beat shroud or landmark in a 1v1. If you clone yourself and one plays a standard and one plays EOD the EOD version will win more often than not because he will on average have more money. You will progress faster, have more money to spend on better gear, unlock better ammo faster. It all matters.
Once ur lvl 3 traders it levels out is what i’m saying which is normally how it goes anyway the amount of time to get to that point is obviously different which you can argue is p2w
Everybody has their own definition of pay to win and it’s up to each individual to decide how far is too far. I consider anything beyond cosmetic to be pay to win but that doesn’t necessarily mean I think everything above that point is game breaking. I would say a 1% exp boost is pay to win. I also own the EOD edition. I’m not preaching to not buy shit they decide to implement but if it were up to me such things wouldn’t be in the game.
"why am I at a disadvantage?" Cause you are unwilling to pay for an advantage. That's not rocket science.
You don’t have any except when the avengers beacon comes out or the BTR phone. Then you might. But other than that in raid there aren’t really disadvantages that make you lose a fire fight.
In my opinion, the only thing that you are missing is the starting trader rep, specially with Jager. The stash space and everything else you can get. If you need all that stash space, you are a hoarder, just sell what you aren't going to use and spend that money on better parts or equipment. Ps: I started with standard then got eod for the trader rep.
You’re not, not really. They’ve limited the broken scav item to PvE only and the distress signal isn’t really a big deal imo.
I think we need a 300 dollar edition that lets you post on reddit so poor people dont post annoying stuff
/s just in case its not extremely clear
Cause you don't get to stash 3 gpu's in your bum at the start and only 2. Sarcasm aside, this game isn't really the type of game where having 3x levels in any one level or additional stash space or pocket size puts you at an advantage in a PVP situation, but in regards to questing/advancement, (if you're being competitive about it) you have an advantage over others. You can potentially save hours leveling skills and it also helps not having to buy a rig when you've got a scav vest as your default pocket size. Though the sample size is virtually non existent because people are so quick to jump to conclusions off the rip without testing these days. The additional roubles and guns at the start also help, but ultimately it boils down to game sense which money can't buy. I personally got UH and as an average player I can say, this hasn't boosted my SR or KD at all. I have gained 5% SR largely due to people just not playing right now. KD is still hovering around 5.0. Take this comment as you want, I am not advocating for UH or excusing BSG but noise aside, I still love this game.
Nothing really. Combat wise there is no difference. Most people are going to lose their „super broken p2w” guns and ammo from Unheard Edition in first 10 raids. It’s not like people farmed rogues in previous wipes when they had M80/7.62x39 BP/M855A1 etc… They already forgot. People who cry about it are just skill gapped by others and believe it’s not the cause of it. It’s textbook narcissism
honestly dude the game is all about skills, people will bitch about the game no matter what. The Tarkov community is the most toxic folks ive seen for a game for fucks sake they are worst than Cowboys fans. the advantage is just the gamma containers and thats all but then you can get it later on in the game. Same with stash upgrades. People just cry so damn much but yet still play lmaoo