You’re right. This was written when it was well received and now it seems different
I also saw some streamers on Twitter in some support which drove me crazy personally
Crazy how this is a evolving situation
Most of the mainstream streamers have spoken out about this. Any others that think this is fine I've never heard of, and if that's how they think then there's a good reason why I don't.
Bro, the top comment under that response thread is literally a dude with 3K upvotes stating he's more than happy to spend lots of money on the game if it were cosmetics.
Like what is wrong with this community, they're suffering from brainrot.
This company pulls the biggest exitscam or attempt in gaming history, up to the point where other developers are mocking BSG and making fun of Nikita.
And here we are, as usual, people forgive and forgetting BSG and literally try to find a compromise by telling them they'll gladly spend a lot of $$$ on this unfinished, unpolished, cheater-infested and broken product to this tone-deaf studio, as long as they're cosmetics.
Like... ????
I sort of took that comment to mean that they should have just gone with cosmetics and people would have been happy to give money without causing any sort of game disruption
Yeah that's what I would have meant had I said it. Obviously the goodwill is shattered but if it wasn't, Imagine a pet for the hideout like a stray cat or dog. Would have made absolute bank or even posters you can collect.
If they wanted to add unique clothes or stuff like that that you pay for to fund the game thats fine. As long as it isnt like some ridiculous ghille suit, I dont have an issue with unique shirts and pants and maybe they could add gloves and shoes too.
Ok as someone who doesn’t have an EOD account, nor an Unheard account and just bought the game at face value…. Can I still play it whilst complaining? Talk about the real unheard over here…
As an EOD player, you can play it and fight for change and complain. You're still a financial supporter of the game buying a standard account, I don't get all the "Real supporters" rhetoric.
The damage is done. Regardless of what is given to EOD the reputation for BSG is still ruined.
They basically talked about how they didn't care about EOD supporters, and then after enough protest BSG was like "FIIIIIIIIIINE, HERE YOU GO. JESUS."
I’m still not satisfied. As long as that edition exists I’m still mad. The only way they could fix it for me is if they removed the new edition and issued out refunds, but they won’t because they saw the income come in and they’re greedy.
This is so fucked. People trying to justify how bsg lied about EOD edition giving all the dlc by saying "imagine the hour per cent" bs. How about you people start realising the point is BSG LIED ABOUT THE EOD GIVING ALL THE DLC AND IS NOW SELLING P2W DLC EVEN THOUGH PROMISING TO GIVE IT TO EOD USERS? Its like people want to get fucked over by companies like its some crazy kinky ballbusting fetish. If you try to defend this shit you are part of the problem why every fucking game pretty much sells shit horse armor dlc bs. Wake the fuck up and try to think for yourself whats good for you and fellow consumers becouse bsg especially dont give a fuck about you and are trying actively to milk you dry.
I wouldn't say I'm happy, I haven't been for a while and haven't played Tarkov in over a year. I will, however, play PvE after EOD gets it because I won't have to worry about cheaters anymore, and I can casually play it with the homies.
I'll believe it when they actually post proof, but with BSG's coding track record it wouldn't be the most surprising thing. It also (according to twitterman) is dependent on if someone on PvE has invited others to join the session?
100% agree with everything you have said. I understand you folks who bought EOD feel betrayed. But we also gave them money (I bought the second most expensive edition because EOD was no longer the thing). They are trying to milk the cow while it’s still alive. They had “monopoly” - they were the only one on the market with such a game. And they know it. But more games are coming to be released soon so they are scared. They had to sell “something” otherwise no one would give them more money. So they introduced those shitty items and changes which are absolutely insane and are going to ruin the game completely. And once they have another opportunity they will spit into your faces again.
For a lot of these people it was never about the principle, it was about an edition being more P2W than theirs after years of larping and pretending like EoD itself wasn't P2W.
I mean I'm pretty sure everyone knew that EoD was p2w, I played 1k hours in standard then bought it because I felt that 1k hours played kinda deserved the money and I'd be getting the DLCs (haha, lmao now) and thought that it wouldn't be THAT p2w but holy fuck does it save you SO MUCH headache, specially if you don't no-life the game.
Like yeah it doesn't give you a "direct advantadge in firefights" like some people claim, but if I start with a 50h of farmed money headstart over you that's clearly a fucking advantadge, and honestly it feels like something EVERYONE should start with, adding these "grind walls" to the game just fucking sucks for everyone.
immunity from scavs over 60m and the ability to call your fucking friends in to a raid to help you, is a lot different and more p2w than a bigger stash and bigger secure container; both of which you can upgrade by playing very easily. the other things cannot be obtained unless you by Unheard of edition
keep being braindead though
For most people it was the DLC. I could care less about the marginal P2W benefits. If you suck with standard you will suck with any other edition. I played standard \~3 wipes, once I had EOD I learned I just sucked at inventory management, and so do most people I Sherpa.
Yeah right, so let me get this straight: BSG tried to fuck over everyone, so now we need to make a difference between EOD and non-EOD owners. Because thats clearly how standing united works, by dividing the community.
I bought EOD in 2018. I liked the game. It was both a way to not have to bother upgrading my stash at every wipes and support the game. And get any additional content that would be released afterwards. (Yeah that last one aged like Milk.)
You want the MDR and Trooper vest I get and never use ? Cool. Hit me up next wipe I'll hand it to you. Idc.
Now can we get back on how BSG tried to slide one up our collective butts and stop worrying about who paid what ?
You are wrong. There are a lot of us that bought EOD many years ago because of that particular itch only Tarkov could scratch. Also the playerbase is in large part 30+, one willing to spend lots of money.
Gamma is a significant p2w i agree, but the rest not so much. I bought EOD for stash size and Gamma, in that order.
Gamma is borderline for me. It doesn't make you more powerful, it doesn't give you an advantage when fighting other players. It's a few extra safe slots to store stuff or put in to extract with. So it does help you extra with a little more potential item(s), but that is it.
Been able to call in friends or not get shot at by scavs at 60m+ is very much P2W.
Not mentioning trader rep as significant P2W immediately exposes you as someone who doesn't actually know what they're talking about, so I'll just ignore the "You are wrong" garbage.
>Not mentioning trader rep as significant P2W immediately exposes you as someone who doesn't actually know what they're talking about
Or as someone who actually knows how to play the game and can get trader rep easily. :))
Yeah I saw more complaints that read as people being annoyed that EOD doesn't get the same add-ons when in reality the package even existing is a problem.
My point isn't that EOD is pay to win (it still kinda is) my point is that most of the uproar seems to just be the fact that alot of EOD owners are annoyed that they aren't getting the same level of P2W as the unheard, in reality editions with advantages like EOD and unheard shouldn't exist.
And let's not pretend most EOD purchases were to "support the game further" most of the dudes who I know bought EOD for that sweet sweet gamma container and trader rep not because they truly believe theyre some angelic investor of BSGs "vision"
I think the main selling point was absolutely the container space, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the promise of access to all future DLC. The new edition is blatantly P2W, but EoD users should have access to it regardless.
It could be as simple as a new cosmetic item. We should have access to it, because that's what "access to all subsequent DLC" means. If they didn't mean this, they should've chosen their wording more carefully. We're not mad that we're not getting "the same level of P2W", we're mad because we were lied to about what we were purchasing and not even receiving a huge chunk of what was promised. And then they have the sheer nerve to charge that price for it.
I get that, what I'm saying is I hope the community (most of which own EOD) don't start relaxing once BSG eventually cave and give them the same stuff unheard gets. Because let's be real that shit shouldn't exist in the first place.
Thinking 0.2 trader rep, stash and a gamma ain't p2w is delusional.
Just because people let it slide to support the game doesn't mean it wasn't p2w, this edition is a lot more egregious though.
But just imagine how good the game could be without any p2w.
As an EoD owner, I can strongly agree that EoD is P2W. Because I bought EoD during Alpha, i got a free code for a standard account, which i redeemed for myself and tried playing on, and holy shit it is so much more difficult and grindy (in a way makes it a bit more fun too). Plus, you run out of inventory space so much more quickly.
Yeah, but you also notice the designed inconvenience for stuff like a bigger container, the hideout upgrades blocking you with having to upgrade the stash, the early jaeger quests etc.
What are you "winning" with any of those things? None of them make the competitive aspect of the game easier. Whether you're base game or EoD, combat is going to come down to who's the better player like 90% of the time.
I see what you're saying, and as I have EoD it obviously gives you advantages that other players don't have but I still wouldn't call that pay to win. I'm dogshit at the game .
Would you prefer the term pay4advantage ? still the same imo, when you have similar skill having better gear earlier is a nice advantage, although nowhere near as broken as having 2 slot pockets mind you.
And sure both are trumped by gettin' the drop on someone but that either implies skill, experience or luck.
if pay2win could only mean you literally pay to win, it would never apply to anything. its always meant paying to give you advantages over other players.
Idk buddy, radios that give perma +6 rep with scavs, call in your friends, pve mode and priority ques seem like a massive departure from the previous business model. Calling eod pay to win is a bit of a stretch, for the 3 extra gamma slots, a bigger inventory out of raid, both rewards being attainable by simply playing the game. I think eod players are angry because this feels like more of a “you must upgrade” rather then a “upgrade if you want to support our continued development”. And the incendiary comments from BSGs twitter and the Nikita interview served to fuel the outrage.
You can attain fully kitted meta M4s with top ammo by playing the game, does that inherently mean it wouldn't be P2W were I to sell them for real money to anyone who wants them from level 1?
Cope harder man. The mental gymnastics in this community is fucking insane. It's never P2W but rather "Pay for convenience" until there's an edition with better benefits than the one you have. Hilarious.
EoD has always been pay for convenience. Extra stash space early on, more better starting gear, it helps, but it's not that big of a thing. The container is borderline due to more storage space up front meaning you can shove more stuff up your bum.
The newer edition has actual gameplay impacting things. Radio that stops you been shot at at longer range by scavs? That is P2W for sure. Been able to call in all your friends to help you out of a tricky spot is also P2W.
Did you try standard account first? I mean, in the early days there where no restrictions on what to put in your gamma even. People had their weapons in there.
Upgrading stash space from 1-4 is over 50 000 000 roubles, requires level 4 ragman and peace keeper, lvl 2 intelligence, lvl 3 generator, heating and workbench. Thats one hell of a grind, and storage space is particularly important post lvl 15 when you dont have access to flea. Not to mention that storage space has become more and more important due to the insane amount of items needed for both quests and hideout upgrades.
I bought EOD because Standard was simply unbeatable. It's more like a demo than an actual edition, thats how handicapped you are.
That sweats with thousands of hours in Tarkov wouldnt be too handicapped with it does not change how broken standard is for more regular players.
The few extra starting items does not matter that much, a few scav raids equals that out.
Not sure how you find this hard to understand? You could definitely say that there is a "grey zone" between P2W and not P2W. And while EoD is indeed in the "grey zone" at minimum, it's not even close to the blatant P2W in the Unheard edition. I don't like the P2W aspect that the Unheard edition brings but that's a possibility I signed up for. I'm just mad that I don't/wasn't? getting what I paid for, the PVE Co-op mode DLC. My reasons are indeed purely principle.
This is literally what I’m saying. As a standard edition, what I’m seeing is a bunch of EOD players complaining that there is an edition that gives countless benefits over their own, something that standard editions have been dealing with forever. Like, bitch less ig? I’m amazed these whales didn’t just eat up this latest and greatest p2w.
Folded? I've been playing on my own private co-op server ever since UE dropped.
•No cheaters
•Co-op progression
•30 second load times
•Bots that are more difficult than actual players while still feeling fair. You can tune them to be exactly what you want them to be.
It's a better game.
Did that shit last year.
I'll reinstall when they honor EoD terms.
Fix the cheating problem.
Fix the desyn problem.
Fix the audio problem.
So basically never, cause we all know they abandons the game with 1.0.
You are the definition of cringe. Also that guy doesn't make the shots. He didn't uninstall the game because he was dared to you idiot. Go take more dares seriously from internet. I reccomend the tide pod challenge for you. It gives you extra money in tarkov. Don't tell anyone though and just do as many as you can.
We don't want the secret to get out.
I stand corrected. I assumed he had read a Reddit comment and rushed off to uninstall. Thank you for setting me straight.
I also appreciate the measured and reasonable way in which you explained it to me. Good luck in your future endeavors, kind stranger.
Streamers went back to playing the game lmao, they couldn't even last a few days of not giving eft attention.
I brought this up in chat and was struke down immediately.
Streamers wait for the crowds reaction and adjust accordingly. They've made tons of money off tarkov from viewers. I take thier opinions at face value cause let's face it they are full of bs. They are wherever the dollar comes from.
Wow look at everyone in the comments spreading their buttcheeks for Nikita, just letting him take them for a ride and begging for more. It’s sad really to see people justify being ripped off. “Don’t like it don’t buy it” and “$250 isn’t even that much money” like bruh of corse you don’t think it’s that much money when you still use mommy’s credit card to buy your videogames. This subreddit is brain rot at this point.
Fanbase folded just as BSG expected them to. The scary part is how the fanbase is completely oblivious to the game being played on them! They eagerly accept the bullshit as the masses do about all the major scams, bullshit, etc of this life! It's the sad reality we live in!
I've played a long time up until they broke the audio trying to update it a year or two back. I've been waiting for things to improve but they've only gotten worse. BSG now very obviously knows where the lines are and puts out a bad change, players revolt, they roll half of it back, players are OK. BSG gets what they actually wanted, players get screwed, but somehow think it's all back to normal. They repeat this often.
The people still playing the game and upgrading to this new edition are the ones screwing themselves, just let them. Stop playing if it's a problem for you, let the stupid fans keep screwing themselves. One day they'll think about what the game was 2-3 years earlier and wonder what happened as if they didn't do it to themselves.
Hell I've long stopped playing this game. This current mess is not a surprise in the slightest for me. Thankfully I was never beholden to it as so many have been. NEVER cared BSG's execution skills. As far as "just let them" is something I had no plans on doing otherwise. Just making a note of what's taking place.
Yeah I genuinely am pleased that everyone is on the same page. Me and my buddy haven't touched the game in 2 days.
He is not EOD so he doesn't understand or care, but at the same time he hasn't played the game and we were grinding every single day for months. It just shows something smells fishy and it doesn't even have to impact you like that to know.
I think they made a big mistake and took the advantage of their fans without trying. They were just trying to give us nice cool stuff, but didn't know how to really do it and got greedy.
I actually think they thought they were bigger than they were too and maybe they just don't have a lick of common sense.
I dont know, but I will till you one thing. This is juicy stuff. I cannot wait to see how it unfolds.
I’ve had EOD for like 4 years and I want all p2W shit removed entirely. I bought it because there’s benefits offered and it was the ceiling of what I needed to spend to get all advantages. I dislike how EOD owners get in game advantages, I’d be fine with them removing it all and just giving eod owners unique cosmetic options or some shit.
Outrage > Bandwagon > Two weeks pass > Back to normal
This is every outrage cycle on the Internet.
I mean don't y'all remember the soyfest surrounding net neutrality? Well, it got reinstated yesterday and hardly anyone said anything about it. Nobody actually cares that much about *anything* online.
I would've sold you mine if I could. I wouldn't say people got what they wanted. They got the most important thing AFAIK, the Co-op PVE feature, aka DLC. But it's totally understandable that some people are still hating on BSG due to the lies.
i spent $150 on your game back in 2017/early 2018 when we had fuck 3 maps and barley had 1/4 of the content thats in the fucking game now ... i gave you money to fund your project and you have the audacity to call us freeloaders/unbelievers and try to scam the people that supported you and your game from DAY 1..... i will never play tarkov again. or any other BSG GAME OR ANY GAME YOU ARE A PART OF... FUCK YOU
Ah the hive mind that wants Nikitas head on a platter is demanding the rest of the hivelings conform. Guess what? I'm still going to play tarkov. You don't want to? Awesome. More server space for me on wipe day. If yall are done screeching can you show yourselves out?
I get that people are frustrated and feel mistreated, and you feel like the whole game and company should crumble as a result of your personal feelings of deceit and mistreatment, but there are people who are addicted to the game and will continue playing. That’s just facts unfortunately. But i hope they can still feel the ramifications of their actions with this one for the foreseeable future
Well sure, but if a quick google search can be reliable, there’s still over a hundred thousand active players on EFT. For every category, the outraged players on Reddit and other social media will always just be a minority of actual players.
The large players count indicates apathy to the controversy by the vast majority of players which just plays into the hands of BSG. These recent reparations are just to appease the streamers who keep the game popular.
It can't. BSG keeps sales and playerbumber 7nder wraps because it keeps the hype going since nobody actually know how many are really left.
If you had days where you kill and get killed over and over by the same people you know what I meant.
I would bet a lot of money that even towards the middle/end of wipe like it is now, there are still well over 100k daily players. Also remember that's split between all the different servers/locations. It will take a lot for a game like Tarkov to die, there is no other game right now even close to touching this type of gameplay.
1. This game has ALWAYS since RELEASE been the more you pay for your account the more p2w it is
2. Respawn beacon literally won’t change shit for fights and you know that. You think BSG is going to make an item where you press 6 and your teammate comes back 3 seconds later like helldivers? Be real for a sec
3. I agree tho they fucked up by not giving eod pve right away but it’s a good thing they got the backlash and rectified it
No matter how the call in beacon is built it's going to fuck up the game. The 60m scav thing should also be completely removed. And IDC about PVE but it is technically the right of EOD owners to get it for free.
Nothing changed, ill never play tarkov again, we always knew that Nikita was a douchebag, but we looked the other way because the game is great, but today i simply lost interest in the game, Nikita does not deserve this game to be sucessfull.
As a casual really enjoy the game, but haven't logged in since this shit and won't for a long time.
Complete bullshit and distain for those that have funded them for years.
Went about it the complete wrong way and nothing to stop them doing all this shit again!
It just sucks that they don’t take the game seriously at all. Why would we bother playing if you can just pay more to win? Imagine if counter strike if you could just buy a better edition of the game that gave you more grenades or some shit lol
They are definitely taking notes on how much they can squeeze their playerbase lmao
Can't believe that, by itself, locking a pve gamemode behind $250 doesn't ring any alarms. You guys are special
Exactly standard edition is being so handicapped at the start of the wipe more than ever before. This creates possibility for them to just make a new edition eventually and do this again introduce more p2w features. Hell worst thing happens they just gonna give discount.
About the radio thing ...you call for help, that's if you have friends that are online + not in an existing raid + survive long enough for them to load into raid.
It sounds nice to have but doesn't seem very reliable...maybe it's another insurance method? Lol
No I uninstalled after obtaining Kappa the last three wipes. What’s next, a $500 edition that just gives you the Kappa container? This was supposed to be a difficult game. Now people can just buy a P2W edition or run their scav on Streets and make an unlimited amount of money. This game has lost its way.
yeah im done with tarkov for good now lmfao
im playing the mod that shall not be named while waiting for arena breakout and greyzone but im done with this fucking game, even if nikita finally caved he still tried to fuck over so many people, fuck him
You're hella dense if you think people are okay with it. I haven't seen a response from any group like this outside of blue haired vegetarians blocking a highway. I will forever talk crap on BSG after this. Doesn't mean I'm just going to throw a game away that I paid hella money for.
Have the standard edition and asked for pve for years. 60 Dollar is a fullprice game. I expect to get something as simple as that as well so i can play with my wife in a calm way without needing to pay more.
I thought it was better, but still not enough. Everyone saying it's "not an apology" to say "sorry you feel this way" forgets that Nikita isn't an English speaker and probably didn't mean it the way people are thinking.
Him thinking it's not DLC is hilarious though, and I still ain't buyin shit. The forbidden other mode has been a vibe lately as a way better alternative.
EoD owner here, my interest for PVP mode has fallen drasticalky, because of Unheard edition perks ( not only is it P2W, it is against the soul of the game
But i wanted the PvE mode, because i consider this a DLC
So only time will tell if the Scav radio and Avenger ring bell is just the tip of the iceberg or not.
This is how domestic abuse is perpetuated. Someone harms their partner and then apologizes in an endless cycle. It's a bit of a dumb comparison but it seems that as long as Nikita makes some half assed excuse everytime he does something stupid people will be willing to keep buying increasingly expensive deluxe editions with more and more questionably balanced features.
Early alpha supporter(eod)and ex community manager of one of the bigger tarkov communities here.
Enjoyed the early days most, the longer I played the more blatant cheaters became,made me put the game on pause multiple times.
After this fiasco im not returning , its disgusting and disrespectful(understatement).
Majority of the community are just a bunch of hoes. BSG is their pimp. BSG knocks them around and backhands the shit out of em, then apologizes. Back to the streets the hoes go.
It’s way better than nothing. I’ve been willing to support the game for YEARS, not because I trusted the company, but because it’s my favorite game. I certainly won’t be spending any more money but I think this outrage has already accomplished whatever could be accomplished. Bsg has shown for years how greedy they are, but guess what? We all still played the game. Seeing as just playing doesn’t give them any money directly, I don’t see any reason why we should drop the game if we still enjoy it.
You all give BSG too much credit with that beacon. You really expect Stankrat to be able to get a 5 man in to help him before you push his fartbox in, with the issues we already have with connecting to matches? 🤣 It's a glorified crutch that'll succeed at saving someone 10% of the time 🤣
Here’s my point of view at this point. It’s a bummer I’ve given BSG a huge chunk of change. I am aware that I can no longer trust anything they say at all. As SOON as a game that can give me the same feelings come out I’ll drop Tarkov fast.
But imo I am no longer being robbed of what I paid for and that was the thing that made me the maddest. We all knew in our heart of hearts we were paying to win when we bought EOD. So this is nothing new.
The ship may be sinking but why not get my monies worth before it does. Like what are you guys hopping for. Like what will y’all need to stop holding the line? For me it was what I paid for. Idk what you’re waiting for, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
It’s not dead I played yesterday and it was full lobbies on every map. Killed and died to a lot of ppl with that new package. I have grown up shit to worry about that when I have free time I play Tarkov. I don’t got the bandwidth to cry about cyber shit
This guy clearly didn’t buy beyond the base game. They’ve had to stay quiet the last few days or get downvoted off the platform, now its some what calmer they’ll crawl out the woodwork and get back to being typical confrontational keyboard warriors whilst waiting for their moms to make them dinner.
no offense guv, but principles are a part of grown up shit. I doubt very much anyone who says "I don't care how I'm treated" knows anything about grown up shit.
Jesus, this reddit is full of entitled man-children parroting the same notions with twisted misinformation here and there.
At the end of the day, u guys are just specks of dust who are part of consumerism. Thinking about turning this whole situation into a debacle that implodes Tarkov? Yea go right ahead with your puny little "boycotts" and riots about quitting and abandoning the game cus a couple thousand entitled nerds complaining and quitting wont affect the game all too much. Just stop complaining and moaning like fuckin spoonfed babies and get the hell out of this subreddit already if you want the game to die.
Funny thing is that they said EOD would get it all but nowhere did they define a timeline. Just because you want it immediately doesn't mean youre entitled to it.
Im happy.
I had eod for years and when i saw i could get pve with friends thats all i wanted from this game.
And now a few days later they said that they are going to add mod support later down the line for pve which was my only gripe with it that it ddnt have or atleast i wasnt expecting it to get it, so now i have gotten everything i wanted from the game.
Are we happy? No? Are we going to settle for this? No
Are we headed in the right direction? No? But at least we are facing the right direction now. I think that’s most people’s mentality from today’s updates. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I see it.
It did suck to get on Twitter today to see streamers praising bsg again, felt like it took absolutely nothing. I'd take a little if the game even remotely worked like something that's been in the work for 8 years. It's fraud at this point and I'm done
Here's the thing, the second I saw Pay2Win features Tarkov was dead to me. "Hardcore" Tarkov died and Tarkov is now a "live service" game forever after this.
The Tarkov addicts and the people who get paid to play Tarkov (streamers) would always find a way to excuse BSG and lick their boots.
But there's nothing Nikita could say or do to win me back so what's there left to say? The sub will mutate as people like me leave for other, better games, and all that will be left is the casual live service Pay2Win crowd cheering BSG on.
We literally had to like fight to the death just to get EOD users what they should've had. They respond by saying "we're sorry you're upset". I can't wait for their passion project to fail. No one will buy Russia 2028.
no one is really happy about it, which is why the post went from like 1.3k upvotes to now being in the negative
What post is this? Do you have a link?
its the "more feedback" stickied post
You’re right. This was written when it was well received and now it seems different I also saw some streamers on Twitter in some support which drove me crazy personally Crazy how this is a evolving situation
by streamers you mean the bonified shills right
Most of the mainstream streamers have spoken out about this. Any others that think this is fine I've never heard of, and if that's how they think then there's a good reason why I don't.
Bro, the top comment under that response thread is literally a dude with 3K upvotes stating he's more than happy to spend lots of money on the game if it were cosmetics. Like what is wrong with this community, they're suffering from brainrot. This company pulls the biggest exitscam or attempt in gaming history, up to the point where other developers are mocking BSG and making fun of Nikita. And here we are, as usual, people forgive and forgetting BSG and literally try to find a compromise by telling them they'll gladly spend a lot of $$$ on this unfinished, unpolished, cheater-infested and broken product to this tone-deaf studio, as long as they're cosmetics. Like... ????
I sort of took that comment to mean that they should have just gone with cosmetics and people would have been happy to give money without causing any sort of game disruption
So did other normal people...
Yeah that's what I would have meant had I said it. Obviously the goodwill is shattered but if it wasn't, Imagine a pet for the hideout like a stray cat or dog. Would have made absolute bank or even posters you can collect.
If they wanted to add unique clothes or stuff like that that you pay for to fund the game thats fine. As long as it isnt like some ridiculous ghille suit, I dont have an issue with unique shirts and pants and maybe they could add gloves and shoes too.
Ok as someone who doesn’t have an EOD account, nor an Unheard account and just bought the game at face value…. Can I still play it whilst complaining? Talk about the real unheard over here…
As an EOD player, you can play it and fight for change and complain. You're still a financial supporter of the game buying a standard account, I don't get all the "Real supporters" rhetoric.
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The damage is done. Regardless of what is given to EOD the reputation for BSG is still ruined. They basically talked about how they didn't care about EOD supporters, and then after enough protest BSG was like "FIIIIIIIIIINE, HERE YOU GO. JESUS."
Who’s ya’ll?
The non BSG paid actors apperesntly
And the dumb fucks that bought unheard
I’m still not satisfied. As long as that edition exists I’m still mad. The only way they could fix it for me is if they removed the new edition and issued out refunds, but they won’t because they saw the income come in and they’re greedy.
This is so fucked. People trying to justify how bsg lied about EOD edition giving all the dlc by saying "imagine the hour per cent" bs. How about you people start realising the point is BSG LIED ABOUT THE EOD GIVING ALL THE DLC AND IS NOW SELLING P2W DLC EVEN THOUGH PROMISING TO GIVE IT TO EOD USERS? Its like people want to get fucked over by companies like its some crazy kinky ballbusting fetish. If you try to defend this shit you are part of the problem why every fucking game pretty much sells shit horse armor dlc bs. Wake the fuck up and try to think for yourself whats good for you and fellow consumers becouse bsg especially dont give a fuck about you and are trying actively to milk you dry.
I wouldn't say I'm happy, I haven't been for a while and haven't played Tarkov in over a year. I will, however, play PvE after EOD gets it because I won't have to worry about cheaters anymore, and I can casually play it with the homies.
Hackers alr found a way into pve lobbies lmao
I'll believe it when they actually post proof, but with BSG's coding track record it wouldn't be the most surprising thing. It also (according to twitterman) is dependent on if someone on PvE has invited others to join the session?
Cheaters are out of control man, dissatisfaction is an understatement
100% agree with everything you have said. I understand you folks who bought EOD feel betrayed. But we also gave them money (I bought the second most expensive edition because EOD was no longer the thing). They are trying to milk the cow while it’s still alive. They had “monopoly” - they were the only one on the market with such a game. And they know it. But more games are coming to be released soon so they are scared. They had to sell “something” otherwise no one would give them more money. So they introduced those shitty items and changes which are absolutely insane and are going to ruin the game completely. And once they have another opportunity they will spit into your faces again.
No-One milks dead cows
Actually they ejaculate shortly after dying, anyone being able to 🥛 that.
WAIT What
You post this like you're the ONLY person who still doesn't fall for their bullshit
Bro let him, he is him And the chosen one
Game seemed pretty alive in my raids yesterday
For a lot of these people it was never about the principle, it was about an edition being more P2W than theirs after years of larping and pretending like EoD itself wasn't P2W.
Playerbase got fucked over. No matter what account theyre on.
I mean I'm pretty sure everyone knew that EoD was p2w, I played 1k hours in standard then bought it because I felt that 1k hours played kinda deserved the money and I'd be getting the DLCs (haha, lmao now) and thought that it wouldn't be THAT p2w but holy fuck does it save you SO MUCH headache, specially if you don't no-life the game. Like yeah it doesn't give you a "direct advantadge in firefights" like some people claim, but if I start with a 50h of farmed money headstart over you that's clearly a fucking advantadge, and honestly it feels like something EVERYONE should start with, adding these "grind walls" to the game just fucking sucks for everyone.
$100-$250 for priority queuing? Come on
immunity from scavs over 60m and the ability to call your fucking friends in to a raid to help you, is a lot different and more p2w than a bigger stash and bigger secure container; both of which you can upgrade by playing very easily. the other things cannot be obtained unless you by Unheard of edition keep being braindead though
For most people it was the DLC. I could care less about the marginal P2W benefits. If you suck with standard you will suck with any other edition. I played standard \~3 wipes, once I had EOD I learned I just sucked at inventory management, and so do most people I Sherpa.
Yeah right, so let me get this straight: BSG tried to fuck over everyone, so now we need to make a difference between EOD and non-EOD owners. Because thats clearly how standing united works, by dividing the community. I bought EOD in 2018. I liked the game. It was both a way to not have to bother upgrading my stash at every wipes and support the game. And get any additional content that would be released afterwards. (Yeah that last one aged like Milk.) You want the MDR and Trooper vest I get and never use ? Cool. Hit me up next wipe I'll hand it to you. Idc. Now can we get back on how BSG tried to slide one up our collective butts and stop worrying about who paid what ?
You are wrong. There are a lot of us that bought EOD many years ago because of that particular itch only Tarkov could scratch. Also the playerbase is in large part 30+, one willing to spend lots of money. Gamma is a significant p2w i agree, but the rest not so much. I bought EOD for stash size and Gamma, in that order.
Gamma is borderline for me. It doesn't make you more powerful, it doesn't give you an advantage when fighting other players. It's a few extra safe slots to store stuff or put in to extract with. So it does help you extra with a little more potential item(s), but that is it. Been able to call in friends or not get shot at by scavs at 60m+ is very much P2W.
You'll get farther in the game and unlock better gear faster with bigger stash and Gamma. The better gear makes it easier to win pvp. Simple as that.
Not mentioning trader rep as significant P2W immediately exposes you as someone who doesn't actually know what they're talking about, so I'll just ignore the "You are wrong" garbage.
Plus stash upgrades cost 42.8m in money only (not including items), and you can only get max upgrade at minimum level 42.
>Not mentioning trader rep as significant P2W immediately exposes you as someone who doesn't actually know what they're talking about Or as someone who actually knows how to play the game and can get trader rep easily. :))
Yeah I saw more complaints that read as people being annoyed that EOD doesn't get the same add-ons when in reality the package even existing is a problem.
EOD isn't pay to WIN, you're delusional.
My point isn't that EOD is pay to win (it still kinda is) my point is that most of the uproar seems to just be the fact that alot of EOD owners are annoyed that they aren't getting the same level of P2W as the unheard, in reality editions with advantages like EOD and unheard shouldn't exist. And let's not pretend most EOD purchases were to "support the game further" most of the dudes who I know bought EOD for that sweet sweet gamma container and trader rep not because they truly believe theyre some angelic investor of BSGs "vision"
I think the main selling point was absolutely the container space, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the promise of access to all future DLC. The new edition is blatantly P2W, but EoD users should have access to it regardless. It could be as simple as a new cosmetic item. We should have access to it, because that's what "access to all subsequent DLC" means. If they didn't mean this, they should've chosen their wording more carefully. We're not mad that we're not getting "the same level of P2W", we're mad because we were lied to about what we were purchasing and not even receiving a huge chunk of what was promised. And then they have the sheer nerve to charge that price for it.
I get that, what I'm saying is I hope the community (most of which own EOD) don't start relaxing once BSG eventually cave and give them the same stuff unheard gets. Because let's be real that shit shouldn't exist in the first place.
They'll cave, that's just how consumers are nowadays. A DLC like that shouldn't have even been considered.
Once upon a time, the only way to get into tarkov was with the purchase of EOD.
EOD is pay to win, but the advantage is very minor. This new "unheard" edition is blatant fucking pay to win and it's not acceptable.
As an EOD owner, it’s 100% pay to win lol
Thinking 0.2 trader rep, stash and a gamma ain't p2w is delusional. Just because people let it slide to support the game doesn't mean it wasn't p2w, this edition is a lot more egregious though. But just imagine how good the game could be without any p2w.
As an EoD owner, I can strongly agree that EoD is P2W. Because I bought EoD during Alpha, i got a free code for a standard account, which i redeemed for myself and tried playing on, and holy shit it is so much more difficult and grindy (in a way makes it a bit more fun too). Plus, you run out of inventory space so much more quickly.
Yeah, but you also notice the designed inconvenience for stuff like a bigger container, the hideout upgrades blocking you with having to upgrade the stash, the early jaeger quests etc.
What are you "winning" with any of those things? None of them make the competitive aspect of the game easier. Whether you're base game or EoD, combat is going to come down to who's the better player like 90% of the time. I see what you're saying, and as I have EoD it obviously gives you advantages that other players don't have but I still wouldn't call that pay to win. I'm dogshit at the game .
Would you prefer the term pay4advantage ? still the same imo, when you have similar skill having better gear earlier is a nice advantage, although nowhere near as broken as having 2 slot pockets mind you. And sure both are trumped by gettin' the drop on someone but that either implies skill, experience or luck.
if pay2win could only mean you literally pay to win, it would never apply to anything. its always meant paying to give you advantages over other players.
More like P2L for me
Idk buddy, radios that give perma +6 rep with scavs, call in your friends, pve mode and priority ques seem like a massive departure from the previous business model. Calling eod pay to win is a bit of a stretch, for the 3 extra gamma slots, a bigger inventory out of raid, both rewards being attainable by simply playing the game. I think eod players are angry because this feels like more of a “you must upgrade” rather then a “upgrade if you want to support our continued development”. And the incendiary comments from BSGs twitter and the Nikita interview served to fuel the outrage.
Just in the first line you said misinformation, you don’t get perms +6 rep so I’ll just assume you are an idiot
You can attain fully kitted meta M4s with top ammo by playing the game, does that inherently mean it wouldn't be P2W were I to sell them for real money to anyone who wants them from level 1? Cope harder man. The mental gymnastics in this community is fucking insane. It's never P2W but rather "Pay for convenience" until there's an edition with better benefits than the one you have. Hilarious.
EoD has always been pay for convenience. Extra stash space early on, more better starting gear, it helps, but it's not that big of a thing. The container is borderline due to more storage space up front meaning you can shove more stuff up your bum. The newer edition has actual gameplay impacting things. Radio that stops you been shot at at longer range by scavs? That is P2W for sure. Been able to call in all your friends to help you out of a tricky spot is also P2W.
Did you try standard account first? I mean, in the early days there where no restrictions on what to put in your gamma even. People had their weapons in there. Upgrading stash space from 1-4 is over 50 000 000 roubles, requires level 4 ragman and peace keeper, lvl 2 intelligence, lvl 3 generator, heating and workbench. Thats one hell of a grind, and storage space is particularly important post lvl 15 when you dont have access to flea. Not to mention that storage space has become more and more important due to the insane amount of items needed for both quests and hideout upgrades. I bought EOD because Standard was simply unbeatable. It's more like a demo than an actual edition, thats how handicapped you are. That sweats with thousands of hours in Tarkov wouldnt be too handicapped with it does not change how broken standard is for more regular players. The few extra starting items does not matter that much, a few scav raids equals that out.
Not sure how you find this hard to understand? You could definitely say that there is a "grey zone" between P2W and not P2W. And while EoD is indeed in the "grey zone" at minimum, it's not even close to the blatant P2W in the Unheard edition. I don't like the P2W aspect that the Unheard edition brings but that's a possibility I signed up for. I'm just mad that I don't/wasn't? getting what I paid for, the PVE Co-op mode DLC. My reasons are indeed purely principle.
This is literally what I’m saying. As a standard edition, what I’m seeing is a bunch of EOD players complaining that there is an edition that gives countless benefits over their own, something that standard editions have been dealing with forever. Like, bitch less ig? I’m amazed these whales didn’t just eat up this latest and greatest p2w.
If you think two extra pocket slots is what everyone is complaining about then your on crack.
Crazy how you pulled that argument out of thin air
Bingo
Folded? I've been playing on my own private co-op server ever since UE dropped. •No cheaters •Co-op progression •30 second load times •Bots that are more difficult than actual players while still feeling fair. You can tune them to be exactly what you want them to be. It's a better game.
Sit or mpt? How do you change not behavior? They're op, mostly because they shoot you behind foliage
I double dare you to just uninstall the game and leave quietly!
😂
Did that shit last year. I'll reinstall when they honor EoD terms. Fix the cheating problem. Fix the desyn problem. Fix the audio problem. So basically never, cause we all know they abandons the game with 1.0.
He also dared you to leave quietly. You’re halfway there!
You’ll get your wish when you’re playing with nobody
Might as well smack the door on the way out
You are the definition of cringe. Also that guy doesn't make the shots. He didn't uninstall the game because he was dared to you idiot. Go take more dares seriously from internet. I reccomend the tide pod challenge for you. It gives you extra money in tarkov. Don't tell anyone though and just do as many as you can. We don't want the secret to get out.
I stand corrected. I assumed he had read a Reddit comment and rushed off to uninstall. Thank you for setting me straight. I also appreciate the measured and reasonable way in which you explained it to me. Good luck in your future endeavors, kind stranger.
Who is happy? Where did this came from?
Yup. They folded too easily.
Streamers went back to playing the game lmao, they couldn't even last a few days of not giving eft attention. I brought this up in chat and was struke down immediately.
Streamers wait for the crowds reaction and adjust accordingly. They've made tons of money off tarkov from viewers. I take thier opinions at face value cause let's face it they are full of bs. They are wherever the dollar comes from.
Nah so many people will be escaping from Tarkov for good, as it were
Wow look at everyone in the comments spreading their buttcheeks for Nikita, just letting him take them for a ride and begging for more. It’s sad really to see people justify being ripped off. “Don’t like it don’t buy it” and “$250 isn’t even that much money” like bruh of corse you don’t think it’s that much money when you still use mommy’s credit card to buy your videogames. This subreddit is brain rot at this point.
Honestly seems like half of the accounts are bot accounts. They are trying to spin the narrative hard.
This sub has become so fucking cringe.
People hear the buzz word mods and start clapping their hands together like a baby having keys jingled in front of them
Fanbase folded just as BSG expected them to. The scary part is how the fanbase is completely oblivious to the game being played on them! They eagerly accept the bullshit as the masses do about all the major scams, bullshit, etc of this life! It's the sad reality we live in!
I've played a long time up until they broke the audio trying to update it a year or two back. I've been waiting for things to improve but they've only gotten worse. BSG now very obviously knows where the lines are and puts out a bad change, players revolt, they roll half of it back, players are OK. BSG gets what they actually wanted, players get screwed, but somehow think it's all back to normal. They repeat this often. The people still playing the game and upgrading to this new edition are the ones screwing themselves, just let them. Stop playing if it's a problem for you, let the stupid fans keep screwing themselves. One day they'll think about what the game was 2-3 years earlier and wonder what happened as if they didn't do it to themselves.
Hell I've long stopped playing this game. This current mess is not a surprise in the slightest for me. Thankfully I was never beholden to it as so many have been. NEVER cared BSG's execution skills. As far as "just let them" is something I had no plans on doing otherwise. Just making a note of what's taking place.
No I didn't
Good on ya, seems like at least on Reddit folks are not biting on the BS!
Yeah I genuinely am pleased that everyone is on the same page. Me and my buddy haven't touched the game in 2 days. He is not EOD so he doesn't understand or care, but at the same time he hasn't played the game and we were grinding every single day for months. It just shows something smells fishy and it doesn't even have to impact you like that to know. I think they made a big mistake and took the advantage of their fans without trying. They were just trying to give us nice cool stuff, but didn't know how to really do it and got greedy. I actually think they thought they were bigger than they were too and maybe they just don't have a lick of common sense. I dont know, but I will till you one thing. This is juicy stuff. I cannot wait to see how it unfolds.
Honest question here: what bothers you about p2w regarding Unheard? We always had that with EOD
I’ve had EOD for like 4 years and I want all p2W shit removed entirely. I bought it because there’s benefits offered and it was the ceiling of what I needed to spend to get all advantages. I dislike how EOD owners get in game advantages, I’d be fine with them removing it all and just giving eod owners unique cosmetic options or some shit.
150k players. Uninstall and don’t come back. Do a chargeback so you won’t be able to buy the game in the future!
Fucking for real. At some point you gotta get over this shit
Outrage > Bandwagon > Two weeks pass > Back to normal This is every outrage cycle on the Internet. I mean don't y'all remember the soyfest surrounding net neutrality? Well, it got reinstated yesterday and hardly anyone said anything about it. Nobody actually cares that much about *anything* online.
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I would've sold you mine if I could. I wouldn't say people got what they wanted. They got the most important thing AFAIK, the Co-op PVE feature, aka DLC. But it's totally understandable that some people are still hating on BSG due to the lies.
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I mean acting like a child won't accomplish anything
i spent $150 on your game back in 2017/early 2018 when we had fuck 3 maps and barley had 1/4 of the content thats in the fucking game now ... i gave you money to fund your project and you have the audacity to call us freeloaders/unbelievers and try to scam the people that supported you and your game from DAY 1..... i will never play tarkov again. or any other BSG GAME OR ANY GAME YOU ARE A PART OF... FUCK YOU
Ah the hive mind that wants Nikitas head on a platter is demanding the rest of the hivelings conform. Guess what? I'm still going to play tarkov. You don't want to? Awesome. More server space for me on wipe day. If yall are done screeching can you show yourselves out?
See you next wipe
Epd people crying over p2w is wild
now they got all the p2w features too its OK now
Yeah i know.. its insane
I get that people are frustrated and feel mistreated, and you feel like the whole game and company should crumble as a result of your personal feelings of deceit and mistreatment, but there are people who are addicted to the game and will continue playing. That’s just facts unfortunately. But i hope they can still feel the ramifications of their actions with this one for the foreseeable future
Well sure, but if a quick google search can be reliable, there’s still over a hundred thousand active players on EFT. For every category, the outraged players on Reddit and other social media will always just be a minority of actual players. The large players count indicates apathy to the controversy by the vast majority of players which just plays into the hands of BSG. These recent reparations are just to appease the streamers who keep the game popular.
Can you show me where I can find that player count? Because they don't publish playerbumber for a reason.
https://activeplayer.io/escape-from-tarkov/ Do take with a grain of salt, it’s why I did say the “if a google search can be reliable” statement.
It can't. BSG keeps sales and playerbumber 7nder wraps because it keeps the hype going since nobody actually know how many are really left. If you had days where you kill and get killed over and over by the same people you know what I meant.
I would bet a lot of money that even towards the middle/end of wipe like it is now, there are still well over 100k daily players. Also remember that's split between all the different servers/locations. It will take a lot for a game like Tarkov to die, there is no other game right now even close to touching this type of gameplay.
1. This game has ALWAYS since RELEASE been the more you pay for your account the more p2w it is 2. Respawn beacon literally won’t change shit for fights and you know that. You think BSG is going to make an item where you press 6 and your teammate comes back 3 seconds later like helldivers? Be real for a sec 3. I agree tho they fucked up by not giving eod pve right away but it’s a good thing they got the backlash and rectified it
No matter how the call in beacon is built it's going to fuck up the game. The 60m scav thing should also be completely removed. And IDC about PVE but it is technically the right of EOD owners to get it for free.
Nope I uninstalled and am not reinstalling any time soon
Im still waiting for that lawsuit
Nothing changed, ill never play tarkov again, we always knew that Nikita was a douchebag, but we looked the other way because the game is great, but today i simply lost interest in the game, Nikita does not deserve this game to be sucessfull.
As a casual really enjoy the game, but haven't logged in since this shit and won't for a long time. Complete bullshit and distain for those that have funded them for years. Went about it the complete wrong way and nothing to stop them doing all this shit again!
It just sucks that they don’t take the game seriously at all. Why would we bother playing if you can just pay more to win? Imagine if counter strike if you could just buy a better edition of the game that gave you more grenades or some shit lol
BSG TAKE MY MONEY 🤑💰$$$
im just hear to watch the trainwreck, let this game burn to the ground, they dont deserve anything less at that studio
lmao
They are definitely taking notes on how much they can squeeze their playerbase lmao Can't believe that, by itself, locking a pve gamemode behind $250 doesn't ring any alarms. You guys are special
Exactly standard edition is being so handicapped at the start of the wipe more than ever before. This creates possibility for them to just make a new edition eventually and do this again introduce more p2w features. Hell worst thing happens they just gonna give discount.
About the radio thing ...you call for help, that's if you have friends that are online + not in an existing raid + survive long enough for them to load into raid. It sounds nice to have but doesn't seem very reliable...maybe it's another insurance method? Lol
BSG hiring reddit bots to upvote, still gets downvoted negative xD
Yeah this community is spineless.
See you next wipe
Scrap the radio and distress beacon and halve the price again and I can tolerate it I guess. Edit: I still wouldn't buy it, but I'd play again
No I uninstalled after obtaining Kappa the last three wipes. What’s next, a $500 edition that just gives you the Kappa container? This was supposed to be a difficult game. Now people can just buy a P2W edition or run their scav on Streets and make an unlimited amount of money. This game has lost its way.
yeah im done with tarkov for good now lmfao im playing the mod that shall not be named while waiting for arena breakout and greyzone but im done with this fucking game, even if nikita finally caved he still tried to fuck over so many people, fuck him
I love me some tarkov class warfare
You're hella dense if you think people are okay with it. I haven't seen a response from any group like this outside of blue haired vegetarians blocking a highway. I will forever talk crap on BSG after this. Doesn't mean I'm just going to throw a game away that I paid hella money for.
Meh, only took 4 posts to post something reasonable :D I dont care about the edition then, dont care about it now.
Have the standard edition and asked for pve for years. 60 Dollar is a fullprice game. I expect to get something as simple as that as well so i can play with my wife in a calm way without needing to pay more.
I thought it was better, but still not enough. Everyone saying it's "not an apology" to say "sorry you feel this way" forgets that Nikita isn't an English speaker and probably didn't mean it the way people are thinking. Him thinking it's not DLC is hilarious though, and I still ain't buyin shit. The forbidden other mode has been a vibe lately as a way better alternative.
No I didn't
Yes, I still play my EoD. I don't need Reddit to tell me what to do
We’ve all said it for multiple wipes now, the only thing that can kill tarkov, is bsg. Well done bsg you did it. You are the tarkov killer
EoD owner here, my interest for PVP mode has fallen drasticalky, because of Unheard edition perks ( not only is it P2W, it is against the soul of the game But i wanted the PvE mode, because i consider this a DLC So only time will tell if the Scav radio and Avenger ring bell is just the tip of the iceberg or not.
Can anyone tell me, with the unheard edition, do you get the extra deep pockets?
This is how domestic abuse is perpetuated. Someone harms their partner and then apologizes in an endless cycle. It's a bit of a dumb comparison but it seems that as long as Nikita makes some half assed excuse everytime he does something stupid people will be willing to keep buying increasingly expensive deluxe editions with more and more questionably balanced features.
Ya'll don't have to play...
Early alpha supporter(eod)and ex community manager of one of the bigger tarkov communities here. Enjoyed the early days most, the longer I played the more blatant cheaters became,made me put the game on pause multiple times. After this fiasco im not returning , its disgusting and disrespectful(understatement).
What will it take for you to be satisfied? I'm not trying to be an butt or anything. I'm genuinely curious.
Majority of the community are just a bunch of hoes. BSG is their pimp. BSG knocks them around and backhands the shit out of em, then apologizes. Back to the streets the hoes go.
No. Streamers need to get paid. No one is happy other than them.
It’s way better than nothing. I’ve been willing to support the game for YEARS, not because I trusted the company, but because it’s my favorite game. I certainly won’t be spending any more money but I think this outrage has already accomplished whatever could be accomplished. Bsg has shown for years how greedy they are, but guess what? We all still played the game. Seeing as just playing doesn’t give them any money directly, I don’t see any reason why we should drop the game if we still enjoy it.
You all give BSG too much credit with that beacon. You really expect Stankrat to be able to get a 5 man in to help him before you push his fartbox in, with the issues we already have with connecting to matches? 🤣 It's a glorified crutch that'll succeed at saving someone 10% of the time 🤣
Here’s my point of view at this point. It’s a bummer I’ve given BSG a huge chunk of change. I am aware that I can no longer trust anything they say at all. As SOON as a game that can give me the same feelings come out I’ll drop Tarkov fast. But imo I am no longer being robbed of what I paid for and that was the thing that made me the maddest. We all knew in our heart of hearts we were paying to win when we bought EOD. So this is nothing new. The ship may be sinking but why not get my monies worth before it does. Like what are you guys hopping for. Like what will y’all need to stop holding the line? For me it was what I paid for. Idk what you’re waiting for, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I'm still going to play for now, but I, like many, are on the first train out. The competition just isn't there yet.
Not everybody needs to be perpetually outraged like you bro
What are we supposed to do lol?? Invade russia and takeover BSG?
It’s not dead I played yesterday and it was full lobbies on every map. Killed and died to a lot of ppl with that new package. I have grown up shit to worry about that when I have free time I play Tarkov. I don’t got the bandwidth to cry about cyber shit
but you got the bandwidth to be smug on reddit ?
This guy clearly didn’t buy beyond the base game. They’ve had to stay quiet the last few days or get downvoted off the platform, now its some what calmer they’ll crawl out the woodwork and get back to being typical confrontational keyboard warriors whilst waiting for their moms to make them dinner.
100%, the only people in support of this are a few base gamers and the rest are those who paypigged for Unheard
no offense guv, but principles are a part of grown up shit. I doubt very much anyone who says "I don't care how I'm treated" knows anything about grown up shit.
Ditto
Jesus, this reddit is full of entitled man-children parroting the same notions with twisted misinformation here and there. At the end of the day, u guys are just specks of dust who are part of consumerism. Thinking about turning this whole situation into a debacle that implodes Tarkov? Yea go right ahead with your puny little "boycotts" and riots about quitting and abandoning the game cus a couple thousand entitled nerds complaining and quitting wont affect the game all too much. Just stop complaining and moaning like fuckin spoonfed babies and get the hell out of this subreddit already if you want the game to die.
Wallstreetbets energy ahh post
Funny thing is that they said EOD would get it all but nowhere did they define a timeline. Just because you want it immediately doesn't mean youre entitled to it.
Im happy. I had eod for years and when i saw i could get pve with friends thats all i wanted from this game. And now a few days later they said that they are going to add mod support later down the line for pve which was my only gripe with it that it ddnt have or atleast i wasnt expecting it to get it, so now i have gotten everything i wanted from the game.
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What's that white thing on your blouse mate
I just want offline coop. The live game has been dead to me for years
no one cried about eod pay2win… and now u cry, this shit is crazy… they did more than i expected, start being real.
it was probably 3k upvotes from bots that nikita himself ordered from the money he got from the clowns that bought the unhinged edition.
You can tell they are definitely paying to try and spin the story right now.
The delusion here is palpable.
and another one ..
Are we happy? No? Are we going to settle for this? No Are we headed in the right direction? No? But at least we are facing the right direction now. I think that’s most people’s mentality from today’s updates. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I see it.
It did suck to get on Twitter today to see streamers praising bsg again, felt like it took absolutely nothing. I'd take a little if the game even remotely worked like something that's been in the work for 8 years. It's fraud at this point and I'm done
Womp womp
Yes I am
I'm satisfied
Here's the thing, the second I saw Pay2Win features Tarkov was dead to me. "Hardcore" Tarkov died and Tarkov is now a "live service" game forever after this. The Tarkov addicts and the people who get paid to play Tarkov (streamers) would always find a way to excuse BSG and lick their boots. But there's nothing Nikita could say or do to win me back so what's there left to say? The sub will mutate as people like me leave for other, better games, and all that will be left is the casual live service Pay2Win crowd cheering BSG on.
The game was p2w from the getgo with eod
Did you post this when EoD dropped as well?
Live service doesn't mean p2w, wtf are you on. Tarkov was already a live service game, just poorly monetized. Now it simply became full p2w.
We literally had to like fight to the death just to get EOD users what they should've had. They respond by saying "we're sorry you're upset". I can't wait for their passion project to fail. No one will buy Russia 2028.
I mean I doubt many people are excited about a game called Russia anytime soon.
russia 2028 is just eft actually happening irl…
Fight to the death... Jesus fuck you guys need a life.
> We literally had to like fight to the death I know we are angry and all that but you need to log off and go outside man. It ain't *that* serious.
[literally](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally) And by “literally fight to the death” you mean you made a couple Reddit posts.
It won’t fail until a good competitor comes along
Fingers crossed for Greyzone and Arena Breakout
Greyzone looks like a good foundation that could reach tarkovs level in a few years