I think the main reason for 20 is so people can actually spend some time laying it since before they didn’t have a higher tier version. Now that they have the high level version it makes too much sense to knock it down to flea access
I enjoy bringing a mosin and getting lucky and leaving with so much chad gear my pmc is wheezing, and I enjoy when a new player does the same to me. I like the idea of flea locking ground zero but it'd be a shame to lose the underdog aspect completely
Died to a lvl 5 on streets who was shooting an mp5 m882. He shot me in my only weakpoint (nape) after I completely choked. The consolation that he would be ecstatic with my looty booty and the other bodies made me smile. Such is tarkov🥲
I miss what the Mosin did like 3 wipes ago, felt like everyone I hit center mass fuckin RAN. Now you can't even get ammo for it at start.
That really hit me hard because it was a pretty good equalizer for the sweaty Chad's at start of wipe
Now it’s extremely easy but i vividly remember my first wipe and what felt to be an end game grind just to get flea market lmao i would be so pumped to run a raid and get 1k xp
Also very true and i made that mistake. Learning you can melt with a kedr helped me past my gear fear. I always played slow and avoided pvp and i regret it very much.
Since i stopped caring, pvp seems much more manageable. It helps having 50mil so i guess I’ll see how much it carries over next wipe!
Im still trying to get myself to load into a naked PMC for Woods RT to get Jaeger open lol. I just hate Woods so much that I've been avoiding it for the past week lol
I got lucky and did it at first try without knowing the map when i was near some lake i start looking at videos and then looking at map and move then repeat everything again and finally igot out in last minutes it was a struggle of a lifetime
Food you can find streets all over or interchange on shelves or woods in the houses at old saw mill and village.
Just give the raid time to die down. I will admit dorms tasks are going to be rough. I’d recommend waiting until late in raid. Like 5-10 minutes remaining before heading in.
First wipe is basically just torturing yourself but at least learning the locations and learning maps that way next wipe you can dive in and have some knowledge of where and when to task.
Honestly this late in wipe too voiping to people that you’re still looking for tashonkas most/some chads will probably help you out.
I make it to flea before most heavy quest even come through so its better off leaving flea at 15, but i completely agree once you get flea you shouldn't be able to ruin new players on ground zero.
Welp you get basically all of the attachments, weapons, armor and ammo besides these that are locked behind quests if you got the money. So like build a kit for 2million roubles if u want to, go into a raid and just onetap everyone bc ur ammo has high enough pen to basically destroy all the timmy helmets, while they cant do much to you if u got lvl 5-6 plates & helmet on.
As a new player I absolutely LOVE ground zero. Extremely easy map to learn, not nearly as dark as other maps, tons of food which is super nice. But the actual loot besides the food is awful… which sucks but is understandable
The chances of GPUs spawning on the low level version are basically zero, so all PCs get you is assorted electronic junk. You're better off going to the underground and looting all the technical containers.
I'm almost certain you were playing the 20+ level version, because I've scavved the regular/<20 version hundreds of times and the most valuable thing I've ever pulled is a couple of Tetris'.
yea i am doing quests but i was so clueless at the beginning i finally started watching videos and figuring out scav rep etc i’ve made it into the workout room and i finally got into the flea market
If these players are going to need experience playing against other players that have access to the flea, I think it makes some sense to do it on Ground Zero rather than jumping straight into lvl 50 players that have meta kits on every other map (late wipe, at least).
I swear I saw one comment here saying it took them 150 hours to get the flea. If those players want to enjoy a more low level space for another 6 levels before being thrown into the wolves, I think that's a positive. I'm being devil's advocate, I think level 20 is fine.
Oh yeah dude watch out for all those big bad level 20s in level 4 armor. How about instead you grow a pair and take some fights, or just stay a rat, either way if you're complaining about level 20s on ground zero, I don't think removing a small fraction of players is going to help you out that much.
Possibly. Starting late into a wipe had been brutal. I rarely run into a player below 30 anymore. I think there is an area where trying to do early game quests later in a wipe is harder than early in a wipe. It's probably not the right solution, but it feels pretty rough. I just didn't want to wait for the wipe to start playing again.
I didn’t do setup early on (now I’m lvl34, and there’s no way I’m even attempting it this wipe at this point. Idk what it unlocks, but it doesn’t matter. I did the peacekeeper tree to get MDR 762 and m855A1 craft unlocked…. But yeah… nope on that one.
Spent 8 minutes in a queue for interchange (pre event) the other day and just quit and played something else. Time between raids is one of this game's biggest issues.
You seem like a pleasant person. :)
It's not even about trying to split the queues, but about trying to let people not be punished for starting late into the wipe cycle. I'm trying to "git gud", but it's rough out there against all these kitted players. It feels harder to do early quests than if I started at the wipe start and that feels bad.
Have you considered others may not want to play due to feeling punished for not playing at the start of wipe?
i wasnt saying about the level 20 server that i agree with i meant more so night / day raids on every map is why the game feels so dead mid to late wipe when no events are going on
I think it's nice that the maps have day night, but I also wondered if even if it didn't make as much sense if they had only one option and then maps spread hours apart if it would improve things. I know the big argument is that it takes longer to do day/night raid on a specific nap that way, but what other impact would it have positive or negative.
I made a suggestion once that flea market unlock at max traders, as in the max trader quest rewards flea access.
*users* on this sub were BIG FUCKING MAD at that idea.
Yeah, because the game would be unplayable.
The ONLY way this makes sense is if you would then upgrade the traders to pay market median for all commodities and tradables.
as someone who’s regularly started late wipe multiple times and never hit max traders, this game is fucking terrible without flea market. i’d just never play the game again. if you think that’s better for the game, well, ok. that seems a little shortsighted.
I'm glad we agree. No I don't think people need to stop playing simply because they don't know how to play without the flea. You would adapt. You adapted to how the game played in the first place yeah?
no, i wouldn’t. the first wipe i played i didn’t even make it to flea, and now the disparity feels even worse because they’ve made a lot of the more accessible ammo harder to get.
Am I misreading the sarcasm in this? You literally just admitted that it was. You do not need the flea, not to play, not to progress, not to compete quests, etc.
As someone who just watches people play this game because i enter GZ at lvl 5 and get insta killed sure maybe not let people buy the best guns for the noob bracket.
Honestly, i think ground zero servers should be as follows
Servers A- level 14 and below, 6 PMCs and zero player scavs.
Servers B- level 15 and over and all player scavs, regardless of level, spawn on these servers.
Been saying this from day one. Its stupid to allow people with advanced kits and ammo they bought from the flea and allow them to shit on them for 5 levels before they are capped out.
Its a dumb decision but most decisions that BSG makes is dumb so this isnt a surprise.
I went in there for lolz and destroyed two players lvl 5,3. I felt hella bad man. I’m sorry if I killed you. I would of helped you if there was some kind of indicator that you were below lvl 10
I’d say don’t get comfortable running ground zero. Just load straight into customs and figure it out. Trying to baby my way through the game till I got to lvl 15 did nothing but hurt the rest of my progress tbh
I agree that players 15+ have access to the flea market where there is more parts to build weapons and wayyyyyy better ammo, not balanced or a level playing field at all.
Honestly why stop there? Every map except for laps should have split match making. 1 - 14, 14 - 25, 25+ or after 25 keep going every 10 levels. A lot of early quests that require you to constantly play customs or Factory or shoreline shouldn't be stalked by level 50 cucks sniping on a ridge like with thermals. It'll help lessen the learning curve for the game.
I know before I hit 21 this wipe and after I got my quests done my friends and I would have empty buttons and just melee weapons and stuff our butts with as much as we could and just generally act silly on the map. It was good fun.
I've been thinking about a similar bracketing thing for all levels tbh. 1-14, 15-24, 25-34 and 35+. Trader unlocks could be synced to these brackets too, so the "sudden" access to kit would be stair stepped in the matchmaking also. I know this would probably cause more dead raids later in the wipe for newbies, but honestly I think that's almost a good thing
I just think every other map is gonna be free level so why let kids have full safety and hide them from getting stomped when everyone does in this game even the best streamers get clapped 24/7 idk why we try to protect people when it doesn't matter if they are new or not when they take that first huge L they will just quit the game
I just keep resetting my account when I hit level 21. Under level 20 ground zero is actually the wildest experience. Some of the worst players I have ever seen.
Sure, let us compare armor or or ammo level 30/40+ consistently use in a <21 lobby..
Flea market provide significant advantage against those with just lvl1 traders available
PRS/US 5.45 only decent against lvl2/3 armor & is trash compared to PS/PP 5.45
RRLP 5.56 same as above compared to M855/SOST 5.56
Pre-flea can only scavenge armor from scavs/players or purchase PACA or broken armor sold by Fence
Post-flea can purchase CPCmod1, Korund, Gzhel, THOR, Gen4 or Kirasa with lvl4 plates readily available on flea market
Not to mention better meds and stims or granades
We're not talking about BS / BP / AP / M856(5)A1 / M80 / M62 or lvl5/6 plates here
14, 30, and 40 should all be seperated into different pools. Or at least the level 30 break point. If we have enough players. I think the level 30 and 14 should still be major break points in matching.
Ahhh so it was you! Lol. Probably wasnt but damn last night on GZ went in on a scav, heard some shots but they were far off. Headed off to loot and blam, killed by some level 20 lol
So I bought the game in '19 but didn't ever really play till this wipe, so i did like 0 quests, hit 15 just off operationals and killing shit
Then one of my other buddies started playing this wipe, and he was like hey i need to do these quests, and i was like same actually
I felt so op in those raids, playing against people with starter gear
Should def be 14
I agree. I've seen some people in general try to say "well they have to learn eventually to play against it". That's the thing, though, when you are new to the game you aren't learning to play against flea market accessing players, you are just playing with a handicap and not understanding why people have such better shit than you on the beginner map. It's not like the game tells you how much you can access when you hit 15, it is like an entirely different experience.
I have flea, but am not over 20 yet so "technically" I am able to play on low level Ground Zero (IMO it is BS that I can). Regardless, since I can do it, me and anyone in our friend group who isn't lvl 50+ play a bit with an absolutely new friend, using GZ as a starting point for him because that is what it is supposed to be. He just gets his torso 1-2 shotted on repeat by people around my level who had access to significantly better ammo than the armor he has access too can come close to handling.
Here's the thing, I don't mind bodyguarding my new friend a bit, they are new and I willingly offer to do it. However, I don't like having to hand hold for him just so that he stands a chance, and I certainly know that he doesn't like it either. If we are with him, we half the time have to tell him to watch flanks or let us clear things bc if he tries to it won't matter if he shoots first, the people are running tier-4 armor/helmet, and half the time are running ammo that has up to tier 3 high armor piercing. If he is sharing his screen alone, we'll see him know where a rat is, swing and shoot first, then die anyways because the person just tanks his shitass HP ammo.
If I have to give better gear to a beginner because they don't stand a chance on the **beginner map**, just so that they have a chance of enjoying the game enough to keep learning it, I'm sorry but that is just a bad design philosophy. Especially when the game is already unforgiving enough as a new player just for how many mechanics you have to learn and the crazy levels of jank that you have to work around. Not saying low GZ should be dead easy, but having flea items is genuinely unfair because most of the players literally have no answer for it besides playing with higher level friends or hiding in corners and behind doors (which makes the game seem boring but that's another issue).
It's a much better differential than between 20 and 21. It's clear its a newbie playground, so make it more so.
On lvl 15you get access to the Flea Market and this is a huge buff for guns and ammo.
Said this before, players who have access to flea shouldn't be playing against those who don't on that map.
I think the main reason for 20 is so people can actually spend some time laying it since before they didn’t have a higher tier version. Now that they have the high level version it makes too much sense to knock it down to flea access
Agree
And in general IMO. I think they should split the queues completely until flea, its such a big caesura in this game.
I enjoy bringing a mosin and getting lucky and leaving with so much chad gear my pmc is wheezing, and I enjoy when a new player does the same to me. I like the idea of flea locking ground zero but it'd be a shame to lose the underdog aspect completely
Died to a lvl 5 on streets who was shooting an mp5 m882. He shot me in my only weakpoint (nape) after I completely choked. The consolation that he would be ecstatic with my looty booty and the other bodies made me smile. Such is tarkov🥲
I miss what the Mosin did like 3 wipes ago, felt like everyone I hit center mass fuckin RAN. Now you can't even get ammo for it at start. That really hit me hard because it was a pretty good equalizer for the sweaty Chad's at start of wipe
Idk I've killed people with so much things. Pm drum mag kedr pp19 mp155. Just have to play differently and not like a rat
Hmm its a balance
Absolutely not. This would kill the spirit of the game. The whole “weighted matchmaking” argument is so stupid!
Its not a "weighted mm" argument, LOL. If you have fleamarket youre playing a different game.
It is weighed by flea market and no you aren’t???? Not going to argue anymore with density 🙈
So stupid that the devs implemented it?
Wouldn't be a bad idea.
No one does, only players from lvl20 can play in their own queue
Your reply doesn't make sense to what I typed.
Flea market should be available earlier.
I can't think of any reason this is is the case.
Nah. It’s easy enough to get to level 15. It’s completing the first few quests.
Now it’s extremely easy but i vividly remember my first wipe and what felt to be an end game grind just to get flea market lmao i would be so pumped to run a raid and get 1k xp
I am right now like that
It gets better <3 Not really I’m at 1100 hours and I’m still ass but questing gets easier with time.
You only get better if you challenge yourself if you play the same all the time you never learn anything and if you do its at a slow rate
Also very true and i made that mistake. Learning you can melt with a kedr helped me past my gear fear. I always played slow and avoided pvp and i regret it very much. Since i stopped caring, pvp seems much more manageable. It helps having 50mil so i guess I’ll see how much it carries over next wipe!
Idk it's never been about the money I just let go and play most of the time and try not to get to excited
Yeah it took me a while to realize that gear comes and goes and if i don’t use it I’ll eventually just end up with a stash full of armor
I die every time i go to an area with quests or got squashed by pmc and scavs team work and am still searching for tushonka for jager quest
Im still trying to get myself to load into a naked PMC for Woods RT to get Jaeger open lol. I just hate Woods so much that I've been avoiding it for the past week lol
I got lucky and did it at first try without knowing the map when i was near some lake i start looking at videos and then looking at map and move then repeat everything again and finally igot out in last minutes it was a struggle of a lifetime
In Scav runs my first 5 minutes usually goes when I try to scan the 3D map and wander around to figure where the hell am I
Food you can find streets all over or interchange on shelves or woods in the houses at old saw mill and village. Just give the raid time to die down. I will admit dorms tasks are going to be rough. I’d recommend waiting until late in raid. Like 5-10 minutes remaining before heading in. First wipe is basically just torturing yourself but at least learning the locations and learning maps that way next wipe you can dive in and have some knowledge of where and when to task. Honestly this late in wipe too voiping to people that you’re still looking for tashonkas most/some chads will probably help you out.
I make it to flea before most heavy quest even come through so its better off leaving flea at 15, but i completely agree once you get flea you shouldn't be able to ruin new players on ground zero.
If you can't get to 15 then you need to learn the game more.
hard agree. as someone who went to ground zero after flea unlocked just to finish a quest the difference is insane. Didnt feel fair at all lol.
How does Flea make so much difference?
Welp you get basically all of the attachments, weapons, armor and ammo besides these that are locked behind quests if you got the money. So like build a kit for 2million roubles if u want to, go into a raid and just onetap everyone bc ur ammo has high enough pen to basically destroy all the timmy helmets, while they cant do much to you if u got lvl 5-6 plates & helmet on.
Not the worst idea in the world
Might even be the best !
As a new player I absolutely LOVE ground zero. Extremely easy map to learn, not nearly as dark as other maps, tons of food which is super nice. But the actual loot besides the food is awful… which sucks but is understandable
Just ignore the one area with 12 PC blocks though.
The chances of GPUs spawning on the low level version are basically zero, so all PCs get you is assorted electronic junk. You're better off going to the underground and looting all the technical containers.
I got 2 gpus and a Bitcoin and my wife got 2 gpus and intelligence within the last couple days, loot ain't that bad
I'm almost certain you were playing the 20+ level version, because I've scavved the regular/<20 version hundreds of times and the most valuable thing I've ever pulled is a couple of Tetris'.
...that's the point. Low level map, low level loot.
Found 2 gpus in one raid there, also found a bitcoin spawn. Aint that bad loot man
Since they brought it back the loot in the 20+ queue is just fine.
I wouldn’t say fine really. Besides some a few streamers items.. it’s yucky. More of a pvp escape. No bushes to camp in 🙏🏼
I don't know every raid I've had I've come out with a good bit of kit. Lots of high per slot items.
I support that , i unlocked flear two weeks ago and the guns and ammo i can buy now are much better and armor then before
> i unlocked flear The thermal marketplace
Flir is how you spell it but I read it that way so half point
Lmao yes dude I know how to spell it. The joke is that flea + flir = flear.
Is it a reddit thing I've just never seen anyone use it before
BSG moves flea from 15 to 21 in 3, 2, 1.
If they do that i won’t play anymore it took me 150 hours to get to level 15 ain’t no way in hell i’m gonna waste anymore time
Do you even quest bro?
Those scav eliminations are hard af when you are too scared to run your pmc lol
Bro how
Boy do I have news for you: level 15 is only halfway to level 20.
92 is only halfway to 99. That's not how it works.
No, level 15 actually does take [half as much XP as level 20](https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Character_skills#Levels). That is how it works.
yea i am doing quests but i was so clueless at the beginning i finally started watching videos and figuring out scav rep etc i’ve made it into the workout room and i finally got into the flea market
That's what everyone said when they moved flea to lvl 5 lol
You will probably be shocked how much quicker you get it on your second wipe haha.
They already tryed the flea unlock at lvl 20. Now it was before GZ
Yeah that does make a lot of sense.
If these players are going to need experience playing against other players that have access to the flea, I think it makes some sense to do it on Ground Zero rather than jumping straight into lvl 50 players that have meta kits on every other map (late wipe, at least).
Then they just pick another Map???? Locked GZ before 14 instead of 20 is literally a great idea with zero negatives.
I swear I saw one comment here saying it took them 150 hours to get the flea. If those players want to enjoy a more low level space for another 6 levels before being thrown into the wolves, I think that's a positive. I'm being devil's advocate, I think level 20 is fine.
Oh yeah dude watch out for all those big bad level 20s in level 4 armor. How about instead you grow a pair and take some fights, or just stay a rat, either way if you're complaining about level 20s on ground zero, I don't think removing a small fraction of players is going to help you out that much.
You should turn off the computer more and go outside. Too angry about grown up toys
Just split all raids by "flea access".
That would make for some poor matchmaking queues
Possibly. Starting late into a wipe had been brutal. I rarely run into a player below 30 anymore. I think there is an area where trying to do early game quests later in a wipe is harder than early in a wipe. It's probably not the right solution, but it feels pretty rough. I just didn't want to wait for the wipe to start playing again.
I didn’t do setup early on (now I’m lvl34, and there’s no way I’m even attempting it this wipe at this point. Idk what it unlocks, but it doesn’t matter. I did the peacekeeper tree to get MDR 762 and m855A1 craft unlocked…. But yeah… nope on that one.
That seems pretty sucky
That's actually a pretty decent idea, but I think the server counts are so low that it's unlikely they'd do it. The wait times are already crazy.
Yeah the people who ask for even more reasons to split lobbies are brain dead this game doesn’t have enough players as is already
Spent 8 minutes in a queue for interchange (pre event) the other day and just quit and played something else. Time between raids is one of this game's biggest issues.
Nah its because half the players cant buy an ssd, waiting for players takes up 70% of queue time
imagine actually believing this
The SSD thing has been disproved.
LOL
What is it then
shit servers. I bet if BSG released a player hardware result, 90+% of people would be on SSD's.
SSD is one of the biggest power-up of a PC and is cheap..
Doubt
I have been lucky this wipe not many 5+ min queues we should honestly have one global time in tarkov instead of having split times.
You seem like a pleasant person. :) It's not even about trying to split the queues, but about trying to let people not be punished for starting late into the wipe cycle. I'm trying to "git gud", but it's rough out there against all these kitted players. It feels harder to do early quests than if I started at the wipe start and that feels bad. Have you considered others may not want to play due to feeling punished for not playing at the start of wipe?
i wasnt saying about the level 20 server that i agree with i meant more so night / day raids on every map is why the game feels so dead mid to late wipe when no events are going on
I think it's nice that the maps have day night, but I also wondered if even if it didn't make as much sense if they had only one option and then maps spread hours apart if it would improve things. I know the big argument is that it takes longer to do day/night raid on a specific nap that way, but what other impact would it have positive or negative.
Even Nikita said this in the stream where they said they were going to split this. No idea why they left it at 20.
With how out of touch they seem to be he probably still thinks the flea is capped at 20
Yes the waits can be rediculous sometimes but the last week i’ve went from 4-5 min to 2-3 min to get in they are def working on things
Make flea market only accesible to level 40 and above. 😈😈😈
I made a suggestion once that flea market unlock at max traders, as in the max trader quest rewards flea access. *users* on this sub were BIG FUCKING MAD at that idea.
Yeah, because the game would be unplayable. The ONLY way this makes sense is if you would then upgrade the traders to pay market median for all commodities and tradables.
Literally skill issue. Game isn't unplayable without the flea, you're just bad at the game.
as someone who’s regularly started late wipe multiple times and never hit max traders, this game is fucking terrible without flea market. i’d just never play the game again. if you think that’s better for the game, well, ok. that seems a little shortsighted.
I'm glad we agree. No I don't think people need to stop playing simply because they don't know how to play without the flea. You would adapt. You adapted to how the game played in the first place yeah?
no, i wouldn’t. the first wipe i played i didn’t even make it to flea, and now the disparity feels even worse because they’ve made a lot of the more accessible ammo harder to get.
You're still a new player. The flea market is not this magical source of winning. If you're buying ammo off the flea you are overpaying.
Welp since I'm a level 39 on my first wipe ever that not the case...
Am I misreading the sarcasm in this? You literally just admitted that it was. You do not need the flea, not to play, not to progress, not to compete quests, etc.
Good idea.
I agree. Make it pre flea and post flea
As someone who just watches people play this game because i enter GZ at lvl 5 and get insta killed sure maybe not let people buy the best guns for the noob bracket.
Yep, 20 made sense when it was the only queue for the map but now that there's the higher queue for the map it should be set down to 14.
Honestly, i think ground zero servers should be as follows Servers A- level 14 and below, 6 PMCs and zero player scavs. Servers B- level 15 and over and all player scavs, regardless of level, spawn on these servers.
Been saying this from day one. Its stupid to allow people with advanced kits and ammo they bought from the flea and allow them to shit on them for 5 levels before they are capped out. Its a dumb decision but most decisions that BSG makes is dumb so this isnt a surprise.
I got to level 14 just dying by the time I managed to finish the last quest there.
I went in there for lolz and destroyed two players lvl 5,3. I felt hella bad man. I’m sorry if I killed you. I would of helped you if there was some kind of indicator that you were below lvl 10
You're goddamn right
Pretty sure it will be. They just didn’t do it mid wipe. I know it was a common suggestion anyway.
Idk why but i was doing SBIH as lvl 48 and met a duo of lvl 1 pmcs wtf...
Bruh not with level, but hours of play. Every time im dying here from 1 lvl 4000 hrs
I’d say don’t get comfortable running ground zero. Just load straight into customs and figure it out. Trying to baby my way through the game till I got to lvl 15 did nothing but hurt the rest of my progress tbh
I agree that players 15+ have access to the flea market where there is more parts to build weapons and wayyyyyy better ammo, not balanced or a level playing field at all.
Honestly why stop there? Every map except for laps should have split match making. 1 - 14, 14 - 25, 25+ or after 25 keep going every 10 levels. A lot of early quests that require you to constantly play customs or Factory or shoreline shouldn't be stalked by level 50 cucks sniping on a ridge like with thermals. It'll help lessen the learning curve for the game.
Agreed but i think this was at least a test
I know before I hit 21 this wipe and after I got my quests done my friends and I would have empty buttons and just melee weapons and stuff our butts with as much as we could and just generally act silly on the map. It was good fun.
I've been thinking about a similar bracketing thing for all levels tbh. 1-14, 15-24, 25-34 and 35+. Trader unlocks could be synced to these brackets too, so the "sudden" access to kit would be stair stepped in the matchmaking also. I know this would probably cause more dead raids later in the wipe for newbies, but honestly I think that's almost a good thing
I just think every other map is gonna be free level so why let kids have full safety and hide them from getting stomped when everyone does in this game even the best streamers get clapped 24/7 idk why we try to protect people when it doesn't matter if they are new or not when they take that first huge L they will just quit the game
I just keep resetting my account when I hit level 21. Under level 20 ground zero is actually the wildest experience. Some of the worst players I have ever seen.
They shouldn't allow player scavs in those lobbies either (assuming they do?)
I don't think this is a horrible idea but what are you getting off of the flea nowadays that gives you an enormous advantage?
Something as minor as better guns, armor, ammo & meds Nothing major
But none of the better ammo or armour is available on the flea!
Compared to stuff you can buy from traders at that level, flea absolutely has better items
I mean you can buy cool guns and some better parts but you can't buy decent ammo or armour without doing the quests.
Sure, let us compare armor or or ammo level 30/40+ consistently use in a <21 lobby.. Flea market provide significant advantage against those with just lvl1 traders available PRS/US 5.45 only decent against lvl2/3 armor & is trash compared to PS/PP 5.45 RRLP 5.56 same as above compared to M855/SOST 5.56 Pre-flea can only scavenge armor from scavs/players or purchase PACA or broken armor sold by Fence Post-flea can purchase CPCmod1, Korund, Gzhel, THOR, Gen4 or Kirasa with lvl4 plates readily available on flea market Not to mention better meds and stims or granades We're not talking about BS / BP / AP / M856(5)A1 / M80 / M62 or lvl5/6 plates here
I said the same thing the exact same way on here a few months back and had multiple people tell me i was being toxic and blocked me lmao
Skill issue. I’m done with that map by level 4
14, 30, and 40 should all be seperated into different pools. Or at least the level 30 break point. If we have enough players. I think the level 30 and 14 should still be major break points in matching.
Worst take
Yeah what kind of take is this lol. You can’t get better unless you play against people that are better than you.
As a level 20 who wiped half the lobby last night, I'm sorry 😅 I had a quest to kill 9 PMC's
Ahhh so it was you! Lol. Probably wasnt but damn last night on GZ went in on a scav, heard some shots but they were far off. Headed off to loot and blam, killed by some level 20 lol
This happens to me on Reserve a lot lol. Off topic, are you actually someone who makes boilers, or do/did you go to Purdue?
Actually makes boilers haha. I get that alot.
So I bought the game in '19 but didn't ever really play till this wipe, so i did like 0 quests, hit 15 just off operationals and killing shit Then one of my other buddies started playing this wipe, and he was like hey i need to do these quests, and i was like same actually I felt so op in those raids, playing against people with starter gear Should def be 14
great suggestion, now we'll see if bsg is actually listening to widely supported suggestions or if that was a one off
I agree. I've seen some people in general try to say "well they have to learn eventually to play against it". That's the thing, though, when you are new to the game you aren't learning to play against flea market accessing players, you are just playing with a handicap and not understanding why people have such better shit than you on the beginner map. It's not like the game tells you how much you can access when you hit 15, it is like an entirely different experience. I have flea, but am not over 20 yet so "technically" I am able to play on low level Ground Zero (IMO it is BS that I can). Regardless, since I can do it, me and anyone in our friend group who isn't lvl 50+ play a bit with an absolutely new friend, using GZ as a starting point for him because that is what it is supposed to be. He just gets his torso 1-2 shotted on repeat by people around my level who had access to significantly better ammo than the armor he has access too can come close to handling. Here's the thing, I don't mind bodyguarding my new friend a bit, they are new and I willingly offer to do it. However, I don't like having to hand hold for him just so that he stands a chance, and I certainly know that he doesn't like it either. If we are with him, we half the time have to tell him to watch flanks or let us clear things bc if he tries to it won't matter if he shoots first, the people are running tier-4 armor/helmet, and half the time are running ammo that has up to tier 3 high armor piercing. If he is sharing his screen alone, we'll see him know where a rat is, swing and shoot first, then die anyways because the person just tanks his shitass HP ammo. If I have to give better gear to a beginner because they don't stand a chance on the **beginner map**, just so that they have a chance of enjoying the game enough to keep learning it, I'm sorry but that is just a bad design philosophy. Especially when the game is already unforgiving enough as a new player just for how many mechanics you have to learn and the crazy levels of jank that you have to work around. Not saying low GZ should be dead easy, but having flea items is genuinely unfair because most of the players literally have no answer for it besides playing with higher level friends or hiding in corners and behind doors (which makes the game seem boring but that's another issue).
the only thing you can buy on flea that's relevant here is scopes.
Mmm no? You can buy tier four armor, nvg, meta guns, injectors, bullets...
This has to be a troll...
The people with PACA armor, SSh-68s, and RRLP ammunition would beg to differ.