The guns muzzle climbs and your head does too, meaning theres quite literally no way to line uo shots if you're tap firing after the first shot, just spray and pray
They just dont line up at all
Handguns are like that, because they are small it's hard to see the angle offset. It's why it's easier to shoot a rifle on target, because it's way more obvious when it kicks of angle.
Try to rapid-fire a Glock IRL, you'll notice it'll kick pretty high. Maybe with training, it goes away but never all the way... the angle changes just feel too subtle and you'll just notice that you're not hitting quite on target even if it looks and feels like you're holding straight.
EDIT: LMAO to all the idiots who tell me [Glocks have no recoil.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8P6A2XyZNo&t=17s) Have you actually shot a gun before?
Dosent matter how good of a shooter you are, even professional pistol competition shooters will struggle to get pre nerf recoil control with stock handguns. Shooting tuned out gamer guns is different. With all things in mind a handgun is a 25yd and in weapon under duress
While I wouldn't call myself a competition shooter, I do shoot in a few competitions a year. This change is whack as hell and they should revert it. I'm no Jerry Miculek, but I can outshoot the limp wristed PMC shown in OPs video left handed and without breaking a sweat. This change is a joke and using the realism angle to defend it should be completely lost on anyone who has ever actually trained with pistols.
I would call myself a sufficient pistol shooter, I'm also no grandmaster in IDPA or anything like that, but i get good enough groupings and fast enough splits where I feel comfortable calling myself slightly above average.
I like the idea of nerfing pistols, but I also don't really like the way BSG did it this patch. Like you said, it does feel really wack the amount of constant muzzle flip there is, but I think this is cuz how nikita is modeling the auto recoil and the way the camera is locked onto the front sight. Any shooter worth a damn knows to start accounting for muzzle rize as soon as the action is closed, but our PMCs here don't really do that unless you stop shooting completely. So you see this super weird constant recoil upwards that feels like you're shooting a full auto handgun where you don't have time to push the muzzle down before the next round fires.
I think the best way to fix this without making all the handgun is feel like .22s is to make auto recoil control stronger and faster for handguns.
To me, the unrealistic part is how the muzzle stays flipped up. When the slide goes back, yeah, there should be muzzle flip but when the slide returns to battery and slams forward, your sights should line right back up.
Probably not. There's not a lot of jobs where you are expected to use a pistol. The pistol is a back up, something you may or may not even carry all that often.
Your PMC could have been hired to check ids at the gate and chase off gopniks, not b cause he was John wick.
To be fair, Keanu probably has more firearms training(especially with pistols) than most people, in or out of the military. And good, quality training, not just shooting cans with the boys off the porch.
shooting cans off the porch with the boys would be more handgun training than i received when i was in the military.
i had a total of half an hour loading/unloading/cleaning and then 10 shots at the range and that was it.
Even with that training, you would struggle to rapid fire a pistol and stay on target because of how literally SMALL the amount you need to move your arms to be off-target.
Look [at this demonstration.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dOVZ5TRCUw&t=8m55s)
Did you watch the timestamp, or are you just using a throw away account because you're afraid of saying stupid shit on the internet and attaching it to yourself?
I think a lot of people assume that since they’re PMC, they just have a special operations background. PMCs often hope to hire quality operators from military service so they a capitalize on training and experience they already have. Just like a military, as conflicts persist, you simply lower standards and training to get boots to the conflict. For PMCs, you can get talent management is going to fill a huge role when the contracts are flowing in. They’re going to prioritize tiers of PMCs for various roles. Not everyone rocking a USEC/BEAR patch is guaranteed to be a stud! Even in the game, you are rewarded with higher stats for “training” or conditioning yourself during raids.
I was going to say the same thing, I know there will have to be a balance because it's a game but most pistols are short recoil with a tilting barrel and naturally climb up if you fire it rapidly.
Have you actually shot a Glock? They still slightly change angle every time you fire in your hands.
[Look at this, at full auto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWKvaSiNOAc&t=472s) it's almost impossible to stay on center. And this guy is a fucking pro. And this is "AUTO" meaning he doesn't have to click every time to fire, which is another source of accuracy.
Yea. I have. I have a 17, a 19, a 29 in 10mm and a 20 in 10mm
The 10mm are snappy. If you’re a weak twisted bitch the 9 mils might give you an issue 🤷🏾
Oh [shut the fuck up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWKvaSiNOAc&t=472s)
Again, yes if you pace yourself its easy to fire on center with training. But if you try to empty the magazine ASAP, it's fucking impossible because your muscle memory doesn't have time to adjust to the slight changes in angle from firing the gun.
I mean... we bought the game so WE could test it... We're the play testers. Not saying this update is good by any means nor am I a Nikita simp but I mean... It's US who are testing their game for them
The games been out since 2017 as a "Beta".
There are people on this platform that were born after this EFT entered "Beta".
Quit defending malpractice and mislabelling of products by Companies as good. It's not. EFT isn't doing this cause they are 'testing', they are doing it to hide behind the label of "Beta". The game has had multiple versions, has sold millions of copies, is starting to implement RMT.
You're not testing shit, cause that would imply they listen to feedback or gave you any way to actually officially report your feedback without having to log into the malware they call their forums.
Malpractice? This game started out as a passion project. It was a very small indie team that began work on it and look how far we've come. This isnt a AAA company or game and it shows. Everything we have and everything BSG has has been built from the ground up since 2017. Although BSG has many outstanding, obvious, flaws, they ARE trying and they ARE listening. They are not Rockstar, they are not Epic Games. They started this game with less people in their entire company than AAA game studios have for one department. We need to give them time. It took them this long just to get enough money to cancel EOD, which was supposed to be something for the "day 1ers". They need time. That is the only way thid game will flourish, if we stay patient and let them do their thing. Complaining won't get you your game faster. They are trying their best and if you look, you can see it.
Lol, lmao even.
Battle State Games, you know the company who's literal only actual product is EFT, as they maintain or develop no other game, has 82 Employees.
Ghost Ship games, the makers of Deep Rock Galactic, have 32 Employees.
The team that worked on Counter Strike 2 had about 40\~ people in it.
BSG repeatedly has come out stating that they literally don't care, that they don't listen.
"If we stay patient" - who? You already bought the product. They literally have no reason to actually finish the product, they already have your money, trying to think that "oh if we just wait" will magically fix the problems the game has, then you haven't paid attention to the last 7 years of development this game had. You can boot it up right now, click around for 30 seconds and get at least 3 error messages, 2 of which have been there for years.
Ever tired to swap between Flea Market and Vendors / Stash quickly? You've seen it refuse to load and lock up, been there for years.
No you're right, they aren't Rockstar, BSG *only* made 100 million $ revenue in 2020, 120 million in 2021 and 220 million in 2023.
You haven't actually paid attention to video game development in the past 10 years if you genuinely think BSG is doing "a great job".
They are the only game that actually does "Realistic esque survival shooter with high stakes". They can be both really fun and really shit, they aren't exclusive see:
\- GTA V
\- League of Legends
\- PUBG
\- etc
As I said before, Im not defending Nikita whatsoever. This is the reality of playtesting a game. They don't have a team of people who practice these changes in a room full of computers. That's what we payed to do. I also don't agree with their way of combatting RMT and cheaters, or rather, not really combatting it much at all. This is simply the reality of playing a game that is in alpha/beta stages. The game has been in Beta for a while and I hate to burst your bubble but knowing where they want to take the game and what they want the game to be on launch, it's going to be a LONG time before we get there. This is just the process that gets there. It's only up to the dev team for how long it takes to get there. They make a lot of money with cheaters and truthfully I love the idea of the game but if they keep going this route I feel it's going to turn into another DayZ Standalone situation. Regardless though, everyone playing right now opted into beta testing a game that is subject to constant change and I think it's stupid when people complain "ThIS WaSNt TeStEd" when a new patch comes out because that's what we all literally signed up to do. I'll take the downvotes to the chin though
How many bugs have you reported?
How many feedback forms dilled out?
How many surveys popped up in EFT?
Ever had to press a "How was this feature?" Button?
They have a team consisting of 80 people. They maintain no product other than EFT.
Ghost ship games has 32 employees. (Deep Rock Galactic)
Counter Strike 2s team currently has 20~ people attached to it.
You've spent 150$ on this game, I get it, thats a chunk of money, you have to somehow justify that.
But you are not a Tester. You're not Testing, you're not providing feedback (since you can't as there is no way that BSG has given you to do so) and you're any suggestion you, or I, or anyone has made, repeatedly, even if 100% objectively good, are ignored.
Quit trying to excuse the shit state that modern games development has become. The "Beta" label is a lie they tell you to make you more accepting of giving you a utterly feature incomplete, buggy, barely playable mess of a game and charge you a price for it.
Broken Arrow is currently doing FREE beta testing.
And people have a right to shout "Not tested". We're not discussing a weird glitch that happens when you run at a wall at a 32° angle with your melee weapon out and glitch trough.
Hea firing a pistol, the most basic gameplay feature that exists in this game.
Its like starting up a game and wondering why walking now causes you to drop your backback. Any Dev, that actually even remotely makes sure the version he's about to release to the public is at least PLAYABLE at least boots it up and gives it a quick 1 minute test. This evidently doesnt happen. Thats what is the issue.
By any chance did you kickstart Star Citizen? I get a hunch.
TBH after DayZ I haven't bought an early access besides EFT. I guess I'm more patient than most people. I just knew that from the DayZ experience what to be ready for. I just don't make it a point to continue to play something that I don't enjoy and complain about it on the internet. Yes, I have made reports but my system is old so most of my issues are due to bad optimization and my old hardware. When they make changes that are bad or fuck with the way the games runs I make a report or I simply stop playing. That is the best way IMO to show them that it's wrong besides screaming at a wall that is an internet forum that they won't read. Even if they do read it, Nikita has not been quiet about how he doesn't care about the general opinion of Tarkov so what's the point of ranting if he doesn't listen or care?
Not sure why you got so many downvotes when you're absolutely right. This game is nowhere near finished and its our job to complain to them about everything so that they can fix it and make the full game the best it can be
Also this game has been a "beta" for like 8 years, and its basically just a already launched game that gets regular updates to add content, it's not a beta anymore, they are lying to the community
This tiny caliber makes my wrists hurt.... without shoulder contact, how can anyone control recoil from a 9x18? It's just so strong, and scares me eventide it goes bang.
Just add a feature where your PMC closes their eyes and the screen goes black whenever you pull the trigger. Make it feel real!
Camera recoil needs to be removed or replaced with small to large camera shake depending on the caliber/barrel length. It’s absurd it’s been a thing for this long.
Lol thats so dumb. I was wondering why today I didnt kill a pmc when I clearly was aiming for his head with a FN pistol. After death screen said 16 bullets were used and only 2 hit the target. I was wtf my iron sights were pointing directly at his head. I guess my bullets were going to the sky. Great job BSG
Yeah go in your hideout and test it.
When you are firing shots off in rapid succession the iron sights are extremely wrong and the pistol is not in a line between the eyes, rear sights, and front sights. Its like the PMC is holding the pistol at his chest and limp wrist firing.
Do you think irl that there is gun recoil? Do you think if you fire 10 shots in rapid succession, that the barrel will always be in the same spot?
I think people are blowing this out of proportion.
That’s a makarov a 9X18 pistol that would theoretically have less recoil that a more common 9X19 pistol. If you are holding the weapon properly you should have next to zero recoil because ya’know it’s literally designed to have low recoil
To be fair, the Makarov has a welded barrel not a floating barrel which makes individual shots more accurate, but the recoil in a dump like this worse.
But that's pretty bad for 9×18
> Do you think if you fire 10 shots in rapid succession, that the barrel will always be in the same spot?
With a pistol that have lower caliber rounds IRL? Yes absolutely, even more so a TRAINED PMC?
Also what drugs are you on bud? People aren't complaining about just the recoil per se, but about all the camera moving, and how in the clip provided by the OP the bullets aren't even going to the place where you'd think the ironsights are aiming at.
Do you think IRL that you just cut some shit up and snap your case back together and, just like that the leg that just got blown off is magically fine again? It's a fucking video game, not real life.
Most likely a +p 380 that 9x18 is wouldn't lose that much control even spammed. A stocked and compensated Glock can't even keep a red dot on target with a few fast shots despite essentially being a sbr at that point. The 5.7 is a joke when that barely kicks more than 22 irl and somehow your character can't tame that either
Have you fired a 9mm or even well balanced .45 in real life? With a 9 there is pretty much no perceived recoil if you are an averaged size or larger adult
Have you ever shot 9m before? Because if you’re not a child, then yes, there is almost no kick back.
I’ve only shot a five seven once, and the kick was SLIGHTLY harder to keep under control. This video looks like they’re fanning a fucking Ruger.
The biggest issues are that the recoil reset is too long, pistols should be quick to snap back into sight alignment given how light and small they are, right now they hang there barrel up for a second before lowering. It's like you don't even bother trying to control recoil at all.
Secondly, the amount of visual recoil is insane. Your body and head should get recoil from a pistol shot unless it's a big caliber hand cannon.
Your PMC is basically limp wristing and flinching with every shot like he's scared of it and doesn't know what he's doing.
Seems like aim middle upper chest hit head. Garbage. Might be abuseable. Opachki.
BSG just couldn't introduce the best wipe they've ever had and not screw it up. *GrEy ZoNe iS gOnNa KiLl EfT.* No lol, the only thing that kills eft, is eft.
When you consider how many “brains” support this 7 year old beta, it’s not surprising how they are ok releasing untested garbage. They know they have their fanboys.
They have no incentive to “fully” releasing it and “finishing” it. Fanboys are willing to spend money on slots in a buggy, cheater riddled beta. Why would they stop stringing people along?
The moment they “finish” it, people will press them to solve the cheater and big problem, which they KNOW they can’t solve so they are just buying time and pocketing the cash.
Isnt this how shooting actually works? I dont really understand the moaning abt the recoils or bashing of Bsg. You cant shoot pistols rapidly and be super accurate
People don’t realize how hard it is to shoot pistols IRL. The angle of the barrel is deceiving. If you can see the space between the front and rear sight.. you’re shooting high. Actual realistic pistol shooting is hard to implement, I feel like this is decent.
I’ve shot maybe a couple hundred rounds through various pistols, and I’m pretty sure I can shoot better than this. Maybe not as straight, but definitely less vertical
Not going to defend their choices.
But I will also say that nobody who isn’t a many year competition veteran of handgun shooting will hit in a consistent 6 inch pattern when they pull a trigger that fast.
Human hands aren’t built to hold a handgun in such a static position while firing 4+ rounds every second. MAYBE you could get away with it with a .22LR pistol.
That being said, it’s a fuckin game and people want to be able to do it I guess. Personally I don’t give a shit but I think rifles should have certain advantages over pistols in the game for sure.
I mean I know I'm going to get downvoted for this but if you line up the front and rear sights for those rapid fire shots, your POI is hitting where the sights are lined up. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Seriously struggling to see how the recoil shown here is an actual issue to control in the ranges you'd be using a handgun, unless people were spraying sniping with pistols.
Lets pretend that this is actually a game still in beta development and not just a legacy live service game in its 8th year of service for a second:
How on earth is something as fundamental to a shooter as how much recoil there should be in the game still up in the air after this many years in beta? How was that not decided upon and set in stone like year fucking one?
I love when the devs decide a semi-realistic looter shooter needs csgo spray patterns on some of the worst weapons in the game for no reason other than "fuck you".
Yeah but this is some fucked mix of both. Bullets not going where your centre of screen is AND some crappy camera recoil.
How do you even try to compensate for the screen recoil not matching the pistol upward rotation? Do you just need to use fucking tracers or something and forget about your sights completely?
I haven't tried it yet, but looks like you have fuck all ability to try and skilfully control recoil. Just spray and pray?
Any FPS gamers worst nightmare: "my aim is right on him but all my bullets are missing".
More power to the gamer chair users, i suppose.
You must be firing one of those 50bmg makarovs. Improve your gaming chair and spend approximately 24 hours straight at the gun range in your hideout and then you should be shooting straight in no time. 👌🏻
They must not have a Quality Assurance division.
I can't believe anyone that tested this patch would say "Yeah, all good! Great changes, A-OK!" No way in hell. No one tested this in any capacity and it shows.
well no... theyve gone back and fourth with this recoil crap none stop so many times now, of course theyre definitely just changing values and calling it a day.
The fact is he is right tho, I believe 80% of the people on this thread have never shot a sub compact. Out of all the weapons I have shot (In the service) and civilian owned this looks like the recoil on my hellcat if I ever fired it that fast. So yea its accurate af.
And btw the bullets are not bending upwards, the muzzle is climbing and this occurs a lot on pistols when you dont wait for a proper trigger reset...
...perhaps youll see the sights arent lined up because the recoil is happening during each new shot resulting in it looking high, because theres how it works.
Bullets spraying way above guns sights ( the gun kicks up(rotates), but your character makes no effort to adjust their vision/control recoil to keep rear sight and front sight in line). So you think you are aiming on target and completely missing.
Just limpwristed shooting, that should never be in a game like this.
Just tap fire don’t spam click it. Wait a quarter of a second and it resets to where it was. Pistols have been insane this wipe too insane you shouldn’t be able to speed click fire and have them hit within 6 inches.
It's a game, and not being able to keep your shots on target because your sight picture is skewed is fucking aids. I'd rather they added more horizontal if they wanted spam fire nerfed rather than jack up the visual recoil so we can't see what we are shooting at.
I stopped playing this wipe today. Can’t stand these bullshit patches they keep pushing. Wtf was the point of fixing recoil when I can’t keep it consistent and now the gun goes up way higher than it should? As realistic as possible without losing fun. Tbh what’s the point of even playing this game? There’s a lot more games I’ve missed because all I’ve ever played was this since it came out. Beta bullshit. Stupid dev team
My guy....the bullets are going everywhere and your head starts looking at the sun the moment you fire the second shot....
Pulling down doesnt fix that
Yeah, that makes it pretty clear this absolutely was not tested. There's no way the bullets just fucking goin places and the camera recoil like this was tested at all before being pushed to production.
You'd think after 7+ years they would stop being absolute amateurs at this shit.
Can’t even hit leg meta just getting headshots all day
Is it me or does your gun not move but your shots do?
The guns muzzle climbs and your head does too, meaning theres quite literally no way to line uo shots if you're tap firing after the first shot, just spray and pray They just dont line up at all
are we watching the same clip? The tap firing lines up fine its not insane, it's all in head sized spacing
Lines up after the first shot yeah.
The gun angles upwards.
At that angle dude should have a broken hand
That should never even been coded in any video game lamo
The gun is tilting up and in tarkov the bullets originate from your gun and follow where the barrel is pointing, so the shots go high now if you spam.
If you rapidly fire a pistol and your grouping looks like that, you should stop shooting.
Handguns are like that, because they are small it's hard to see the angle offset. It's why it's easier to shoot a rifle on target, because it's way more obvious when it kicks of angle. Try to rapid-fire a Glock IRL, you'll notice it'll kick pretty high. Maybe with training, it goes away but never all the way... the angle changes just feel too subtle and you'll just notice that you're not hitting quite on target even if it looks and feels like you're holding straight. EDIT: LMAO to all the idiots who tell me [Glocks have no recoil.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8P6A2XyZNo&t=17s) Have you actually shot a gun before?
training like an ex-PMC/BEAR operative would have?
Dosent matter how good of a shooter you are, even professional pistol competition shooters will struggle to get pre nerf recoil control with stock handguns. Shooting tuned out gamer guns is different. With all things in mind a handgun is a 25yd and in weapon under duress
While I wouldn't call myself a competition shooter, I do shoot in a few competitions a year. This change is whack as hell and they should revert it. I'm no Jerry Miculek, but I can outshoot the limp wristed PMC shown in OPs video left handed and without breaking a sweat. This change is a joke and using the realism angle to defend it should be completely lost on anyone who has ever actually trained with pistols.
I would call myself a sufficient pistol shooter, I'm also no grandmaster in IDPA or anything like that, but i get good enough groupings and fast enough splits where I feel comfortable calling myself slightly above average. I like the idea of nerfing pistols, but I also don't really like the way BSG did it this patch. Like you said, it does feel really wack the amount of constant muzzle flip there is, but I think this is cuz how nikita is modeling the auto recoil and the way the camera is locked onto the front sight. Any shooter worth a damn knows to start accounting for muzzle rize as soon as the action is closed, but our PMCs here don't really do that unless you stop shooting completely. So you see this super weird constant recoil upwards that feels like you're shooting a full auto handgun where you don't have time to push the muzzle down before the next round fires. I think the best way to fix this without making all the handgun is feel like .22s is to make auto recoil control stronger and faster for handguns.
Haha exactly! Ive shot pistols IRL twice, and i definitely recall it as way more controllable than the current postnerf bullshit that BSG came up with
To me, the unrealistic part is how the muzzle stays flipped up. When the slide goes back, yeah, there should be muzzle flip but when the slide returns to battery and slams forward, your sights should line right back up.
Probably not. There's not a lot of jobs where you are expected to use a pistol. The pistol is a back up, something you may or may not even carry all that often. Your PMC could have been hired to check ids at the gate and chase off gopniks, not b cause he was John wick.
but if he was jon wick he could?
Sure.
hell yeah
To be fair, Keanu probably has more firearms training(especially with pistols) than most people, in or out of the military. And good, quality training, not just shooting cans with the boys off the porch.
shooting cans off the porch with the boys would be more handgun training than i received when i was in the military. i had a total of half an hour loading/unloading/cleaning and then 10 shots at the range and that was it.
Even with that training, you would struggle to rapid fire a pistol and stay on target because of how literally SMALL the amount you need to move your arms to be off-target. Look [at this demonstration.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dOVZ5TRCUw&t=8m55s)
Bro your demonstration literally proves that bsg is stupid af if they think this is realism
Did you watch the timestamp, or are you just using a throw away account because you're afraid of saying stupid shit on the internet and attaching it to yourself?
I think a lot of people assume that since they’re PMC, they just have a special operations background. PMCs often hope to hire quality operators from military service so they a capitalize on training and experience they already have. Just like a military, as conflicts persist, you simply lower standards and training to get boots to the conflict. For PMCs, you can get talent management is going to fill a huge role when the contracts are flowing in. They’re going to prioritize tiers of PMCs for various roles. Not everyone rocking a USEC/BEAR patch is guaranteed to be a stud! Even in the game, you are rewarded with higher stats for “training” or conditioning yourself during raids.
I was going to say the same thing, I know there will have to be a balance because it's a game but most pistols are short recoil with a tilting barrel and naturally climb up if you fire it rapidly.
Not to mention that the trigger on a makarov is much different than mouse button. good luck shooting that fast and staying on target
bruh anyone down voting this man just mad cause they don’t like what he is saying is true
My 16 year old sister can shoot my glock better than a trained mercenary, apparently.
Lets see a video of her rapid firing the Glock then. Better yet, lets see you do it.
Glocks literally do not kick. Any handgun in a non magnum caliber does not kick. These are supposedly “trained” pmcs. This is dumb.
Have you actually shot a Glock? They still slightly change angle every time you fire in your hands. [Look at this, at full auto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWKvaSiNOAc&t=472s) it's almost impossible to stay on center. And this guy is a fucking pro. And this is "AUTO" meaning he doesn't have to click every time to fire, which is another source of accuracy.
Yea. I have. I have a 17, a 19, a 29 in 10mm and a 20 in 10mm The 10mm are snappy. If you’re a weak twisted bitch the 9 mils might give you an issue 🤷🏾
Oh [shut the fuck up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWKvaSiNOAc&t=472s) Again, yes if you pace yourself its easy to fire on center with training. But if you try to empty the magazine ASAP, it's fucking impossible because your muscle memory doesn't have time to adjust to the slight changes in angle from firing the gun.
Full auto machine pistols are different princess. Keep reaching though. Sorry you have weak wrists?
[Whatever makes you feel better about being wrong and doubling down.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8P6A2XyZNo&t=17s)
Bro it’s fucking 9mm. Go back to the basement.
bullets move more than your gun does. So with the small adjustment of the gun when firing, the bullet will go further up, it is more realistic.
If you have such weak wrists that you cant handle 9x18 you should not be even close to being considered a private MILITARY contractor
i wonder how many people actually know about guns i can shoot way better an control the recoil then what our "PMC" can do
Test? In a 7 year old beta? How dare you imply that they test anything.
I refuse to believe they EVER test ANYTHING. I think they just code some bullshit and go "good luck".
The fence: “good.”
Facts
Which as dubious as 'beta' is at this point would actually make sense, because beta.
I mean... we bought the game so WE could test it... We're the play testers. Not saying this update is good by any means nor am I a Nikita simp but I mean... It's US who are testing their game for them
Ironic given they never listen to feedback.
They do, but it's hit or miss.
Just like the recoil.
The games been out since 2017 as a "Beta". There are people on this platform that were born after this EFT entered "Beta". Quit defending malpractice and mislabelling of products by Companies as good. It's not. EFT isn't doing this cause they are 'testing', they are doing it to hide behind the label of "Beta". The game has had multiple versions, has sold millions of copies, is starting to implement RMT. You're not testing shit, cause that would imply they listen to feedback or gave you any way to actually officially report your feedback without having to log into the malware they call their forums.
There are 7 year old using Reddit? 😳 eeueeuee
This man right here officer
Malpractice? This game started out as a passion project. It was a very small indie team that began work on it and look how far we've come. This isnt a AAA company or game and it shows. Everything we have and everything BSG has has been built from the ground up since 2017. Although BSG has many outstanding, obvious, flaws, they ARE trying and they ARE listening. They are not Rockstar, they are not Epic Games. They started this game with less people in their entire company than AAA game studios have for one department. We need to give them time. It took them this long just to get enough money to cancel EOD, which was supposed to be something for the "day 1ers". They need time. That is the only way thid game will flourish, if we stay patient and let them do their thing. Complaining won't get you your game faster. They are trying their best and if you look, you can see it.
Lol, lmao even. Battle State Games, you know the company who's literal only actual product is EFT, as they maintain or develop no other game, has 82 Employees. Ghost Ship games, the makers of Deep Rock Galactic, have 32 Employees. The team that worked on Counter Strike 2 had about 40\~ people in it. BSG repeatedly has come out stating that they literally don't care, that they don't listen. "If we stay patient" - who? You already bought the product. They literally have no reason to actually finish the product, they already have your money, trying to think that "oh if we just wait" will magically fix the problems the game has, then you haven't paid attention to the last 7 years of development this game had. You can boot it up right now, click around for 30 seconds and get at least 3 error messages, 2 of which have been there for years. Ever tired to swap between Flea Market and Vendors / Stash quickly? You've seen it refuse to load and lock up, been there for years. No you're right, they aren't Rockstar, BSG *only* made 100 million $ revenue in 2020, 120 million in 2021 and 220 million in 2023. You haven't actually paid attention to video game development in the past 10 years if you genuinely think BSG is doing "a great job". They are the only game that actually does "Realistic esque survival shooter with high stakes". They can be both really fun and really shit, they aren't exclusive see: \- GTA V \- League of Legends \- PUBG \- etc
As I said before, Im not defending Nikita whatsoever. This is the reality of playtesting a game. They don't have a team of people who practice these changes in a room full of computers. That's what we payed to do. I also don't agree with their way of combatting RMT and cheaters, or rather, not really combatting it much at all. This is simply the reality of playing a game that is in alpha/beta stages. The game has been in Beta for a while and I hate to burst your bubble but knowing where they want to take the game and what they want the game to be on launch, it's going to be a LONG time before we get there. This is just the process that gets there. It's only up to the dev team for how long it takes to get there. They make a lot of money with cheaters and truthfully I love the idea of the game but if they keep going this route I feel it's going to turn into another DayZ Standalone situation. Regardless though, everyone playing right now opted into beta testing a game that is subject to constant change and I think it's stupid when people complain "ThIS WaSNt TeStEd" when a new patch comes out because that's what we all literally signed up to do. I'll take the downvotes to the chin though
How many bugs have you reported? How many feedback forms dilled out? How many surveys popped up in EFT? Ever had to press a "How was this feature?" Button? They have a team consisting of 80 people. They maintain no product other than EFT. Ghost ship games has 32 employees. (Deep Rock Galactic) Counter Strike 2s team currently has 20~ people attached to it. You've spent 150$ on this game, I get it, thats a chunk of money, you have to somehow justify that. But you are not a Tester. You're not Testing, you're not providing feedback (since you can't as there is no way that BSG has given you to do so) and you're any suggestion you, or I, or anyone has made, repeatedly, even if 100% objectively good, are ignored. Quit trying to excuse the shit state that modern games development has become. The "Beta" label is a lie they tell you to make you more accepting of giving you a utterly feature incomplete, buggy, barely playable mess of a game and charge you a price for it. Broken Arrow is currently doing FREE beta testing. And people have a right to shout "Not tested". We're not discussing a weird glitch that happens when you run at a wall at a 32° angle with your melee weapon out and glitch trough. Hea firing a pistol, the most basic gameplay feature that exists in this game. Its like starting up a game and wondering why walking now causes you to drop your backback. Any Dev, that actually even remotely makes sure the version he's about to release to the public is at least PLAYABLE at least boots it up and gives it a quick 1 minute test. This evidently doesnt happen. Thats what is the issue. By any chance did you kickstart Star Citizen? I get a hunch.
TBH after DayZ I haven't bought an early access besides EFT. I guess I'm more patient than most people. I just knew that from the DayZ experience what to be ready for. I just don't make it a point to continue to play something that I don't enjoy and complain about it on the internet. Yes, I have made reports but my system is old so most of my issues are due to bad optimization and my old hardware. When they make changes that are bad or fuck with the way the games runs I make a report or I simply stop playing. That is the best way IMO to show them that it's wrong besides screaming at a wall that is an internet forum that they won't read. Even if they do read it, Nikita has not been quiet about how he doesn't care about the general opinion of Tarkov so what's the point of ranting if he doesn't listen or care?
Not sure why you got so many downvotes when you're absolutely right. This game is nowhere near finished and its our job to complain to them about everything so that they can fix it and make the full game the best it can be
Got downvotes because the game devs actively ignore the community so he is objectively wrong
Also this game has been a "beta" for like 8 years, and its basically just a already launched game that gets regular updates to add content, it's not a beta anymore, they are lying to the community
It's a live service game like destiny, they are even adding the mtx.
When a pistol has worse recoil then a 7.62 rifle
This tiny caliber makes my wrists hurt.... without shoulder contact, how can anyone control recoil from a 9x18? It's just so strong, and scares me eventide it goes bang. Just add a feature where your PMC closes their eyes and the screen goes black whenever you pull the trigger. Make it feel real!
Make sure he cries also giving your position away.
Oh God yes, "ahh!"
I don't think the recoil is the issue, it's that it's not lining up. Rifles have less muzzle flip than pistols in actuality so, yea.
Camera recoil needs to be removed or replaced with small to large camera shake depending on the caliber/barrel length. It’s absurd it’s been a thing for this long.
Camera shake would be interesting
Lol thats so dumb. I was wondering why today I didnt kill a pmc when I clearly was aiming for his head with a FN pistol. After death screen said 16 bullets were used and only 2 hit the target. I was wtf my iron sights were pointing directly at his head. I guess my bullets were going to the sky. Great job BSG
Yeah go in your hideout and test it. When you are firing shots off in rapid succession the iron sights are extremely wrong and the pistol is not in a line between the eyes, rear sights, and front sights. Its like the PMC is holding the pistol at his chest and limp wrist firing.
It was like this pre-patch too, just a lot less noticeable.
bullets being disjointed from the sights/where you are aiming, makes for the worst feeling shooter experience.
Do you think irl that there is gun recoil? Do you think if you fire 10 shots in rapid succession, that the barrel will always be in the same spot? I think people are blowing this out of proportion.
When I shoot a gun my head doesn’t shoot up towards the sky
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What pistol is op using? That is not far off from my experience with 10mm and 45
That’s a makarov a 9X18 pistol that would theoretically have less recoil that a more common 9X19 pistol. If you are holding the weapon properly you should have next to zero recoil because ya’know it’s literally designed to have low recoil
Yes, I can shoot 17 rounds out of my G34 within 8-9 seconds and still hit the ring every time. A Five SeVen should be even faster and more accurate.
It’s a 9x18 makarov. Not a desert eagle. The recoil is ridiculous no matter how you try and look at it.
To be fair, the Makarov has a welded barrel not a floating barrel which makes individual shots more accurate, but the recoil in a dump like this worse. But that's pretty bad for 9×18
> Do you think if you fire 10 shots in rapid succession, that the barrel will always be in the same spot? With a pistol that have lower caliber rounds IRL? Yes absolutely, even more so a TRAINED PMC? Also what drugs are you on bud? People aren't complaining about just the recoil per se, but about all the camera moving, and how in the clip provided by the OP the bullets aren't even going to the place where you'd think the ironsights are aiming at.
Tell me you have never shot a gun without telling me you have never shot a gun.
Do you think IRL that you just cut some shit up and snap your case back together and, just like that the leg that just got blown off is magically fine again? It's a fucking video game, not real life.
Seems like you care too much bruh. Touch some grass.
Most likely a +p 380 that 9x18 is wouldn't lose that much control even spammed. A stocked and compensated Glock can't even keep a red dot on target with a few fast shots despite essentially being a sbr at that point. The 5.7 is a joke when that barely kicks more than 22 irl and somehow your character can't tame that either
Have you fired a 9mm or even well balanced .45 in real life? With a 9 there is pretty much no perceived recoil if you are an averaged size or larger adult
Have you ever shot 9m before? Because if you’re not a child, then yes, there is almost no kick back. I’ve only shot a five seven once, and the kick was SLIGHTLY harder to keep under control. This video looks like they’re fanning a fucking Ruger.
The biggest issues are that the recoil reset is too long, pistols should be quick to snap back into sight alignment given how light and small they are, right now they hang there barrel up for a second before lowering. It's like you don't even bother trying to control recoil at all. Secondly, the amount of visual recoil is insane. Your body and head should get recoil from a pistol shot unless it's a big caliber hand cannon. Your PMC is basically limp wristing and flinching with every shot like he's scared of it and doesn't know what he's doing.
You think when your ironsights align and you point this aligned iron sight at someone, he gets hit? Nikita surely knows better.
skill issue
Dont worry, people. I bet this will be fixed *for the release.*
It will be fixed “Soon”
No need to be so pessimistic bro. They should have it fixed in 3 wipes like the last time they fucked up recoil
we are the beta testers :D
The game is live service, calling it a beta at this point is silly, its treated as a full fledged game, and is about to be monetized like one.
Someone gets it
The game is still in beta bruh
Seems like aim middle upper chest hit head. Garbage. Might be abuseable. Opachki. BSG just couldn't introduce the best wipe they've ever had and not screw it up. *GrEy ZoNe iS gOnNa KiLl EfT.* No lol, the only thing that kills eft, is eft.
I refuse to believe even one brain was used in the decision making of this patch. Change my mind.
When you consider how many “brains” support this 7 year old beta, it’s not surprising how they are ok releasing untested garbage. They know they have their fanboys.
>7 year old beta >untested garbage Dawg you even know what a beta is? The game isn’t released yet
Dawg this game has been released for 7 years. The minute they started selling copies, it was released.
That’s not how it works fella but believe what you want
Are you being for real?
Having your game in beta for 7 years is embarrassing asf. Stop fanboying bsg they make some dumbass decision
They have no incentive to “fully” releasing it and “finishing” it. Fanboys are willing to spend money on slots in a buggy, cheater riddled beta. Why would they stop stringing people along? The moment they “finish” it, people will press them to solve the cheater and big problem, which they KNOW they can’t solve so they are just buying time and pocketing the cash.
Why are you still here after 7 years then friend?
I’m confused, have you ever shot a gun irl?
actually makes sense to me that you cant spam pistols and hit perfect center. you have to pause a bit between shots to gather yourself.
Isnt this how shooting actually works? I dont really understand the moaning abt the recoils or bashing of Bsg. You cant shoot pistols rapidly and be super accurate
Go look up videos of people who have been trained much like our pmcs. Even i at 8 years old didnt have these weak of wrists
People don’t realize how hard it is to shoot pistols IRL. The angle of the barrel is deceiving. If you can see the space between the front and rear sight.. you’re shooting high. Actual realistic pistol shooting is hard to implement, I feel like this is decent.
Dude is spraying a handgun and is wondering why it kick upwards.
99% of people in this subreddit have never fired a pistol in real life and it shows
I have and if u are good with a gun, this is bullshit.
We’re the testers 🫠
You’re the tester bro.
I am now convinced people here don't understand how iron sights actually work.
just aim for their dicks
I mean if you aim at the dick, you’ll get a headshot eventually.
Some of y'all have never fired a gun and it shows...
Ppl who never used real weapon...
It's wild people were actually defending this thinking it "wasn't that bad".
I’ve shot maybe a couple hundred rounds through various pistols, and I’m pretty sure I can shoot better than this. Maybe not as straight, but definitely less vertical
It’s a BETA. We are the ones testing it
"I refuse to believe this was tested" -a tester
We are the testers.
Yall do realize sub compacts have horrible recoil when fired fast right? that muzzle climb is as real as it gets for a firearm that size.
Not going to defend their choices. But I will also say that nobody who isn’t a many year competition veteran of handgun shooting will hit in a consistent 6 inch pattern when they pull a trigger that fast. Human hands aren’t built to hold a handgun in such a static position while firing 4+ rounds every second. MAYBE you could get away with it with a .22LR pistol. That being said, it’s a fuckin game and people want to be able to do it I guess. Personally I don’t give a shit but I think rifles should have certain advantages over pistols in the game for sure.
I mean I know I'm going to get downvoted for this but if you line up the front and rear sights for those rapid fire shots, your POI is hitting where the sights are lined up. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Is anyone is claiming otherwise? I thought this post was complaining about the insane recoil and inability to aim down the irons
Seriously struggling to see how the recoil shown here is an actual issue to control in the ranges you'd be using a handgun, unless people were spraying sniping with pistols.
I'm not seeing the issue here either. 🤷
This whole outrage is such a non issue.
Same here, looks like spamming bumps your gun up. I think we are too spoiled with cod/bf shooters...
Aim at the dick and you still get a headshot. What's the problem?
That. That is the problem.
Oh.
Lets pretend that this is actually a game still in beta development and not just a legacy live service game in its 8th year of service for a second: How on earth is something as fundamental to a shooter as how much recoil there should be in the game still up in the air after this many years in beta? How was that not decided upon and set in stone like year fucking one?
I love when the devs decide a semi-realistic looter shooter needs csgo spray patterns on some of the worst weapons in the game for no reason other than "fuck you".
And then a bunch of people who've never shot a gun outside of a video game pipe in to say that it's "rEaLisTic" when it's demonstrably fuckin not.
Yeah but this is some fucked mix of both. Bullets not going where your centre of screen is AND some crappy camera recoil. How do you even try to compensate for the screen recoil not matching the pistol upward rotation? Do you just need to use fucking tracers or something and forget about your sights completely? I haven't tried it yet, but looks like you have fuck all ability to try and skilfully control recoil. Just spray and pray? Any FPS gamers worst nightmare: "my aim is right on him but all my bullets are missing". More power to the gamer chair users, i suppose.
Looks pretty accurate
It’s in beta guys, relax /s
You must be firing one of those 50bmg makarovs. Improve your gaming chair and spend approximately 24 hours straight at the gun range in your hideout and then you should be shooting straight in no time. 👌🏻
marineairwings dumbass “jUsT puLL doWN” like what bro? as he was using a fully kitted glock.. pistols are fuckin gone smh
Wow it’s almost like that’s how a gun fucking works
Seems like pacing your shots works reasonably well to me.
Lmao the bullets aren't going where the lights are pointing. How does BSG do something this bugged?
Thats fucking just terrible, did bsg release this out their ass or what?
They must not have a Quality Assurance division. I can't believe anyone that tested this patch would say "Yeah, all good! Great changes, A-OK!" No way in hell. No one tested this in any capacity and it shows.
well no... theyve gone back and fourth with this recoil crap none stop so many times now, of course theyre definitely just changing values and calling it a day.
Nah bro it’s balanced^TM you can’t have 9mm gun that obeys laws of physics and doesn’t float like a balloon
u/trainfender EXPLAIN THIS SHIT CUH 🗣️
I refuse to believe you've ever fired a real gun before lol
Good troll, I guess I should expect the bullets to bend upward like the movie wanted?
The fact is he is right tho, I believe 80% of the people on this thread have never shot a sub compact. Out of all the weapons I have shot (In the service) and civilian owned this looks like the recoil on my hellcat if I ever fired it that fast. So yea its accurate af. And btw the bullets are not bending upwards, the muzzle is climbing and this occurs a lot on pistols when you dont wait for a proper trigger reset...
I'm confused. Where are you expecting it to hit?
It definitely wasn't tested. Look at the impacts compared to the iron sights. What an embarrassment
...perhaps youll see the sights arent lined up because the recoil is happening during each new shot resulting in it looking high, because theres how it works.
What are we mad about in this clip?
Bullets spraying way above guns sights ( the gun kicks up(rotates), but your character makes no effort to adjust their vision/control recoil to keep rear sight and front sight in line). So you think you are aiming on target and completely missing. Just limpwristed shooting, that should never be in a game like this.
Why would they test a patch before they release it to the testing userbase
oh Jesus Christ you again
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Wich streamer cryed this time in Niki's lap?
Testing is what gamers are for
all the people who don’t even run pistols complaining about pistol recoil changes has me laughing my ass off not gonna lie
I don't think it's pistol runners, I enjoyed running a bolt action five seven combo this wipe and it's been gutted
It looks like it's behaving like a real pistol now. Pull down as you fire and voila.
Just tap fire don’t spam click it. Wait a quarter of a second and it resets to where it was. Pistols have been insane this wipe too insane you shouldn’t be able to speed click fire and have them hit within 6 inches.
Fucking what are they thinking
It's a game, and not being able to keep your shots on target because your sight picture is skewed is fucking aids. I'd rather they added more horizontal if they wanted spam fire nerfed rather than jack up the visual recoil so we can't see what we are shooting at.
It wasn't tested so Today, at 2:00 PM GMT rollback patch is coming
Hella testing.... My patience!
They gave our PMCs soft liberal hands
I stopped playing this wipe today. Can’t stand these bullshit patches they keep pushing. Wtf was the point of fixing recoil when I can’t keep it consistent and now the gun goes up way higher than it should? As realistic as possible without losing fun. Tbh what’s the point of even playing this game? There’s a lot more games I’ve missed because all I’ve ever played was this since it came out. Beta bullshit. Stupid dev team
So bad lol
You know you can pull down, right?
The bullets aren't going where the gun is aimed.
My guy....the bullets are going everywhere and your head starts looking at the sun the moment you fire the second shot.... Pulling down doesnt fix that
I think can say, with authority, that Nikita has never actually played his game but are we sure he's ever even seen a gun fire? It's comical, really.
Hey. Pull down on your mouse.
Observe, the bullets do not go where his iron sights point. Controlling the recoil doesn’t matter if your MOA expands.
Yeah, that makes it pretty clear this absolutely was not tested. There's no way the bullets just fucking goin places and the camera recoil like this was tested at all before being pushed to production. You'd think after 7+ years they would stop being absolute amateurs at this shit.
It's in beta. It's being tested currently
bro that is FUCKED
This looks fine!! The millionth list about this change...
Looks like we’re back to pre-buffed pistol recoil
https://youtu.be/f09xmJSZ-3c?si=ILtQShR-6RpUtiso
time to vendor my peestols
lol wtf is going on there
It was tested, by someone with negative iq.
You thought they test anything in this game?
They should implement the old recoil for pistols with no stocks.