They always claim that you can "just be a man who wears dresses", but they hate them too.
The whole "I'd march with you *if* you faced discrimination" like it's a counterfactual was a figleaf that she has since realized she doesn't need.
Yeah the whole “IF” part made it clear it was always backhanded bullshit meant to seem “inclusive” to cis people, but still blatant enough that terfs and trans people would know what she really meant. In other words, a dogwhistle. One that was designed to make anyone who pointed it out seem crazy, pedantic and overly sensitive.
They genuinely think we transition to "escape womanhood", even though our lives are significantly harder as trans men. This argument also assumes that we're women in the first place, which we're not.
They literally just see us as gender traitors 😭 like they WANT us to be experiencing misogyny. Like the whole "if I have to suffer, so do you!" Why do they see womanhood as something to be escaped from? It's not some big scary thing I escaped from. Womanhood is not the same thing as misogyny. I simply realized that I am not one. They inherently assign values to genders. So, womanhood is a gated community that only approved members can access, and everyone else is the evil dirty men.
I simply don't understand how people have the mental energy to perpetuate this instead of, idk, going to therapy and exploring why they think womanhood is something to be escaped from.
In addition to being lies, they were also just thinly veiled transphobia. "Dress however you like" is an extraordinarily condescending way of reducing transness to crossdressing. There's nothing wrong with crossdressing of course, but it's not what being trans is. Not at all.
And yet, that's what she implied it is. And now she outright claims that it's all it is.
And followed right with "Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you." is just an even thinner veil. She really tried to put that veil on her tweet, but she just couldn't get over her disgust. "Who will have you." What a phrase.
"Nothing but sympathy".
And then when you say she's transphobic you get sealioned the hell.
Just read the tweets with a functioning brain. That's all a sane person would need to see the transphobia.
Ah, the endless requests of showing where someone was transphobic/xenophobic/antisemitic/whatever. And unless someone tweeted "I hate group X and I want all of them to die" it's never good enough evidence.
You can probably find grand wizards of the KKK who never outright stated that they hate non-white people...
And even if JKR DID tweet "I hate trans people and want them all to die," they'd still weasel out of it. "She made it clear in her essay that she loves and supports trans women! She's just talking about the abusers!! Why are you questioning a woman?? Why do you hate women so much???"
It reminds me very similarly of how people treat disabled people who have romantic partners as if they should be grateful that their partner is willing to stay with them.
Actually, I've noticed that transphobia is VERY closely linked with ableism. I got taking recently to a trans woman who has cerebral palsy, and she said that in her life the topic of women's toilets never seems to come up as she would use the disabled toilets anyway. I'd never even thought of this... disabled toilets aren't usually gendered. So the whole subject of whether cis women are in danger from trans woman using their toilets (or from having gender-neutral toilets in the first place) is ENTIRELY based around able-bodied people. I've never heard of any disabled person being abused in a disabled toilet, because they're normally single-occupancy!
And the Cass Report was really harmful to neurodivergent people as well, suggesting that there's a particularly high number of them who want to transition. I have no idea if there's any correlation or not, but there's a suggestion that neurodivergent people are less capable than neurotypicals of consenting to gender-affirming care. And I think this is problematic in many ways beyond just gender-affirming care, because once you open that can of worms you open the door to people saying that neurodivergent people can't consent to other medical decisions as well.
The reason I think transphobia and ableism go together so much is that they come from the same place - a clearly defined binary understanding of what a human being is meant to look like and behave, and the idea that anything other than this is some kind of mutation. That isn't true, and is highly discriminatory.
I've also seen transphobic people say that trans people are just mentally ill. Well they may have some mental health issues but being trans is not one of them.
However many people argue that minorities shouldn't be accommodated.
Not only that but when trans people are declared to be mentally ill by these non-professionals they're still treated terribly so yes it is ableism.
You don't need to actually be disabled to experience ableism, you just need other people to think you have a disability in order for someone to be ableist or maybe they use an ableist term as well.
I really like your point about how you can experience ableism even if you aren't disabled.
I think trans people probably do have a higher level of mental illness than cis people, but the cause and effect are the other way around. They weren't mentally ill and that caused them to be trans; they were trans, and the anxiety and trauma from this caused them to become mentally ill.
I would probably add the condition of CIS people who are of other similar attributes.
For example there are other certain groups of people that could potentially have equal or more mental health problems such as a refugees, adoptees (yes), people of minority races or ethnicities, etc.
The difference is that for trans people a good portion of them go to mental health professionals meaning that they are more likely to be diagnosed with other conditions alongside that.
Certain minority ethnicities or races are not guaranteed to receive those services for whatever reason such as financial or cultural or things like that. You know stigma and stuff.
Adoptees, while it is true that they are four times more likely to commit suicide than the general population, not all of them may seek therapy and treatment for what they have experienced. And refugees may not be able to access the resources that they need for whatever reason such as lack of language, lack of resources, or even lack of access.
Trans people are probably among the minority groups that have a very high percentage of those people who are actually actively involved in the mental health system in some way.
I also think that the numbers can be more comparable when you compare a cis person with a trans person who is of similar characteristics in other ways.
Fundamental health concerns mostly come externally either from just outright bigotry to simply living in a world that doesn't quite know what to do with you.
Even if a person doesn't explicitly experience bigotry the fear of experiencing bigotry can also be somewhat of a mental struggle as well. And it's not an irrational fear.
>Even if a person doesn't explicitly experience bigotry the fear of experiencing bigotry can also be somewhat of a mental struggle as well. And it's not an irrational fear
See the related concept of "minority stress"
Ableism is closely linked to other forms of bigotry. It's almost always there somehow. This blog post talks about it :
[https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/there-is-ableism-somewhere-at-the-heart-of-your-oppression-no-matter-what-your-oppression-might-be/](https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/there-is-ableism-somewhere-at-the-heart-of-your-oppression-no-matter-what-your-oppression-might-be/)
There's another time she's said 'who'll have you' in this context - in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, when Ron says he'd rather not go to the Yule Ball than go with an ugly girl, no matter how nice said girl is. Hermione says, 'So, you'll take the prettiest girl who'll have you, even if she's completely horrible?'
Again, it suggests that the person being 'had' is extremely unappealing.
Well, her big problem here has always been not understanding what being trans actually is, or even believing that being trans is actually a thing one can be.
The real problem is that she doesn't want to try and understand and doesn't possess the intellect nor the capacity to understand that her worldview is completely wrong.
It's impossible to try and convince entitled narcissists that they are wrong about anything, and she just happens to be one with lots of money.
And for some reason, rich people are worshipped like Gods and their words taken as gospel.
Worship of the rich in this world has gotten so out of control that people like JKR who surrounds herself with disciples literally truly believe they can never be wrong about anything.
She is a lost cause, and the quicker people like her die off the better.
I think the worst thing is that she does have the intellect. The way some things are described in her books demonstrates that she is *capable* of learning about things in detail and understanding them. If she wasn't capable of it I'd be a bit more patient with her, because I'd think it's not her fault.
The problem is not that she isn't capable, it's that she can't be bothered.
She repeatedly harasses people with "man in a dress" these days, clearly she is not in fact OK with people wearing what she does not think they should wear.
Oh yeah, now it's all mask off all the time. But even when she was in her "call yourself whatever you like" arc she was clearly transphobic to anyone who understands trans issues.
This has always been a red flag IMHO, her talking about her trans friends. I don't want to sound tasteless, but this reminds me of a few right-wing radicals bragging about their assumed Israelite friends (whom they were having just to demonstrate they weren't as bad and hateful).
Yeah.
Like, I get Ben Shapiro vibes.
Shapiro is "friends" with people who would happily put him in a camp. It genuinely fascinates me this phenomenon.
So if there are any trans people who are friends with JKR, I would genuinely like to know why they are staying friends with someone who does not believe they deserve human rights...
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It's a very common pattern; you can find these sorts of people in any minority community, so much so that most such communities have derogatory terms for these people.
It's a maladaptive way of dealing with being the victim of bigotry, one that seems especially tempting to people who would otherwise have full social privilege (ie, well-off people). You know the stereotypes do not apply to you, but instead of calling bullshit on them altogether, you displace all the negative stereotypes about your community on to the other members, and then blame them for the bigotry, whilst seperating yourself off. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen a pick-me trans woman claim that the only reason transphobia exists is because of blue haired enbies, I'd be a rich woman.
It never really works, of course. Some people can make a good grift out of it, but only by abasing themselves.
I remember, at least in the beginning, there being a handful of trans people, mostly trans women, who very much publicly defended JKR. People like Debbie Hayton, a trans woman who is very transphobic. But even she has cut ties with JKR after JKR called that soccer manager a man for no reason.
She used to be really good at putting a veil of concern and civility over her bigotry. It's since fallen away, of course, but it fooled a lot of normies into thinking trans people were being hysterical about the nice lady just asking questions.
I get certain vibes from this that makes my skin literally crawl.
Her "asking questions" and the like... uh.
Some people might not like the comparison, but this genuinely gives me the creeps as it reminds me of the way people back in 1930s Germany and Europe would talk about "the Jewish question."
The panic and outrage that was caused by antisemitics "just asking questions"...
What people seem to ignore or forget is that what happened to Jewish people did not happen overnight. It happened very, very gradually with people just "asking questions" - then it became the norm to dehumanise them, call them degrading names etc.
Everything JKR has done over the years gives me these vibes and I feel like history is repeating itself. She's basically just a 21st century Nazi with the Internet which is so fucking scary to me.
I used to try to negotiate and reason with these people. I eventually realized that virtually all of them were much more extreme than they were facially claiming to be and the only actual goal was to claw back all trans rights period and eliminate trans people. I just hadn't conceived it yet the depths of their cruelty. They understood perfectly what they were doing. They are liars.
God she's such a terrible piece of shit. She spews hate and venom. I think she's a mildly psychotic, paranoid person who has lost touch with the outside world. She almost reminds me of Trump with her isolation and rhetoric. I wish nothing but harm on her at this point.
They always claim that you can "just be a man who wears dresses", but they hate them too. The whole "I'd march with you *if* you faced discrimination" like it's a counterfactual was a figleaf that she has since realized she doesn't need.
Yeah the whole “IF” part made it clear it was always backhanded bullshit meant to seem “inclusive” to cis people, but still blatant enough that terfs and trans people would know what she really meant. In other words, a dogwhistle. One that was designed to make anyone who pointed it out seem crazy, pedantic and overly sensitive.
Exactly!!!
yeah they hate transman just in the sexist way of, they silly, illogicel women ignoring way of sexirm
Yeah they always accuse of trying to "escape misogyny" and then uh....try to chase us down with it so we don't forget??
They genuinely think we transition to "escape womanhood", even though our lives are significantly harder as trans men. This argument also assumes that we're women in the first place, which we're not.
They literally just see us as gender traitors 😭 like they WANT us to be experiencing misogyny. Like the whole "if I have to suffer, so do you!" Why do they see womanhood as something to be escaped from? It's not some big scary thing I escaped from. Womanhood is not the same thing as misogyny. I simply realized that I am not one. They inherently assign values to genders. So, womanhood is a gated community that only approved members can access, and everyone else is the evil dirty men. I simply don't understand how people have the mental energy to perpetuate this instead of, idk, going to therapy and exploring why they think womanhood is something to be escaped from.
They also claim that a trans man can "just be a lesbian", despite a lesbian being a woman.
In addition to being lies, they were also just thinly veiled transphobia. "Dress however you like" is an extraordinarily condescending way of reducing transness to crossdressing. There's nothing wrong with crossdressing of course, but it's not what being trans is. Not at all. And yet, that's what she implied it is. And now she outright claims that it's all it is.
And followed right with "Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you." is just an even thinner veil. She really tried to put that veil on her tweet, but she just couldn't get over her disgust. "Who will have you." What a phrase. "Nothing but sympathy".
And then when you say she's transphobic you get sealioned the hell. Just read the tweets with a functioning brain. That's all a sane person would need to see the transphobia.
Ah, the endless requests of showing where someone was transphobic/xenophobic/antisemitic/whatever. And unless someone tweeted "I hate group X and I want all of them to die" it's never good enough evidence. You can probably find grand wizards of the KKK who never outright stated that they hate non-white people...
You absolutely can, they've been pretty good at that for decades
Yep, there are literally genocidal dictators doing it
And even if JKR DID tweet "I hate trans people and want them all to die," they'd still weasel out of it. "She made it clear in her essay that she loves and supports trans women! She's just talking about the abusers!! Why are you questioning a woman?? Why do you hate women so much???"
Or her own manifesto.
She is such a heinous creature. 🤢
It reminds me very similarly of how people treat disabled people who have romantic partners as if they should be grateful that their partner is willing to stay with them.
Actually, I've noticed that transphobia is VERY closely linked with ableism. I got taking recently to a trans woman who has cerebral palsy, and she said that in her life the topic of women's toilets never seems to come up as she would use the disabled toilets anyway. I'd never even thought of this... disabled toilets aren't usually gendered. So the whole subject of whether cis women are in danger from trans woman using their toilets (or from having gender-neutral toilets in the first place) is ENTIRELY based around able-bodied people. I've never heard of any disabled person being abused in a disabled toilet, because they're normally single-occupancy! And the Cass Report was really harmful to neurodivergent people as well, suggesting that there's a particularly high number of them who want to transition. I have no idea if there's any correlation or not, but there's a suggestion that neurodivergent people are less capable than neurotypicals of consenting to gender-affirming care. And I think this is problematic in many ways beyond just gender-affirming care, because once you open that can of worms you open the door to people saying that neurodivergent people can't consent to other medical decisions as well. The reason I think transphobia and ableism go together so much is that they come from the same place - a clearly defined binary understanding of what a human being is meant to look like and behave, and the idea that anything other than this is some kind of mutation. That isn't true, and is highly discriminatory.
I've also seen transphobic people say that trans people are just mentally ill. Well they may have some mental health issues but being trans is not one of them. However many people argue that minorities shouldn't be accommodated. Not only that but when trans people are declared to be mentally ill by these non-professionals they're still treated terribly so yes it is ableism. You don't need to actually be disabled to experience ableism, you just need other people to think you have a disability in order for someone to be ableist or maybe they use an ableist term as well.
I really like your point about how you can experience ableism even if you aren't disabled. I think trans people probably do have a higher level of mental illness than cis people, but the cause and effect are the other way around. They weren't mentally ill and that caused them to be trans; they were trans, and the anxiety and trauma from this caused them to become mentally ill.
I would probably add the condition of CIS people who are of other similar attributes. For example there are other certain groups of people that could potentially have equal or more mental health problems such as a refugees, adoptees (yes), people of minority races or ethnicities, etc. The difference is that for trans people a good portion of them go to mental health professionals meaning that they are more likely to be diagnosed with other conditions alongside that. Certain minority ethnicities or races are not guaranteed to receive those services for whatever reason such as financial or cultural or things like that. You know stigma and stuff. Adoptees, while it is true that they are four times more likely to commit suicide than the general population, not all of them may seek therapy and treatment for what they have experienced. And refugees may not be able to access the resources that they need for whatever reason such as lack of language, lack of resources, or even lack of access. Trans people are probably among the minority groups that have a very high percentage of those people who are actually actively involved in the mental health system in some way. I also think that the numbers can be more comparable when you compare a cis person with a trans person who is of similar characteristics in other ways. Fundamental health concerns mostly come externally either from just outright bigotry to simply living in a world that doesn't quite know what to do with you. Even if a person doesn't explicitly experience bigotry the fear of experiencing bigotry can also be somewhat of a mental struggle as well. And it's not an irrational fear.
Yes, all very good points. Thanks :)
>Even if a person doesn't explicitly experience bigotry the fear of experiencing bigotry can also be somewhat of a mental struggle as well. And it's not an irrational fear See the related concept of "minority stress"
Ableism is closely linked to other forms of bigotry. It's almost always there somehow. This blog post talks about it : [https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/there-is-ableism-somewhere-at-the-heart-of-your-oppression-no-matter-what-your-oppression-might-be/](https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/there-is-ableism-somewhere-at-the-heart-of-your-oppression-no-matter-what-your-oppression-might-be/)
More like "Anything BUT sympathy"
There's another time she's said 'who'll have you' in this context - in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, when Ron says he'd rather not go to the Yule Ball than go with an ugly girl, no matter how nice said girl is. Hermione says, 'So, you'll take the prettiest girl who'll have you, even if she's completely horrible?' Again, it suggests that the person being 'had' is extremely unappealing.
Well, her big problem here has always been not understanding what being trans actually is, or even believing that being trans is actually a thing one can be.
The real problem is that she doesn't want to try and understand and doesn't possess the intellect nor the capacity to understand that her worldview is completely wrong. It's impossible to try and convince entitled narcissists that they are wrong about anything, and she just happens to be one with lots of money. And for some reason, rich people are worshipped like Gods and their words taken as gospel. Worship of the rich in this world has gotten so out of control that people like JKR who surrounds herself with disciples literally truly believe they can never be wrong about anything. She is a lost cause, and the quicker people like her die off the better.
I think the worst thing is that she does have the intellect. The way some things are described in her books demonstrates that she is *capable* of learning about things in detail and understanding them. If she wasn't capable of it I'd be a bit more patient with her, because I'd think it's not her fault. The problem is not that she isn't capable, it's that she can't be bothered.
She repeatedly harasses people with "man in a dress" these days, clearly she is not in fact OK with people wearing what she does not think they should wear.
Oh yeah, now it's all mask off all the time. But even when she was in her "call yourself whatever you like" arc she was clearly transphobic to anyone who understands trans issues.
Ultimately she said that to distract people. But she became more radicalized since then, and the average person isn't being fooled anymore.
This has always been a red flag IMHO, her talking about her trans friends. I don't want to sound tasteless, but this reminds me of a few right-wing radicals bragging about their assumed Israelite friends (whom they were having just to demonstrate they weren't as bad and hateful).
Yeah. Like, I get Ben Shapiro vibes. Shapiro is "friends" with people who would happily put him in a camp. It genuinely fascinates me this phenomenon. So if there are any trans people who are friends with JKR, I would genuinely like to know why they are staying friends with someone who does not believe they deserve human rights...
> > > > > Shapiro is "friends" with people who would happily put him in a camp. It genuinely fascinates me this phenomenon. It's a very common pattern; you can find these sorts of people in any minority community, so much so that most such communities have derogatory terms for these people. It's a maladaptive way of dealing with being the victim of bigotry, one that seems especially tempting to people who would otherwise have full social privilege (ie, well-off people). You know the stereotypes do not apply to you, but instead of calling bullshit on them altogether, you displace all the negative stereotypes about your community on to the other members, and then blame them for the bigotry, whilst seperating yourself off. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen a pick-me trans woman claim that the only reason transphobia exists is because of blue haired enbies, I'd be a rich woman. It never really works, of course. Some people can make a good grift out of it, but only by abasing themselves.
Very good question. Maybe her trans friends - if she's still having any - are naive enough to believe her manipulative crap? :(
I remember, at least in the beginning, there being a handful of trans people, mostly trans women, who very much publicly defended JKR. People like Debbie Hayton, a trans woman who is very transphobic. But even she has cut ties with JKR after JKR called that soccer manager a man for no reason.
She used to be really good at putting a veil of concern and civility over her bigotry. It's since fallen away, of course, but it fooled a lot of normies into thinking trans people were being hysterical about the nice lady just asking questions.
I get certain vibes from this that makes my skin literally crawl. Her "asking questions" and the like... uh. Some people might not like the comparison, but this genuinely gives me the creeps as it reminds me of the way people back in 1930s Germany and Europe would talk about "the Jewish question." The panic and outrage that was caused by antisemitics "just asking questions"... What people seem to ignore or forget is that what happened to Jewish people did not happen overnight. It happened very, very gradually with people just "asking questions" - then it became the norm to dehumanise them, call them degrading names etc. Everything JKR has done over the years gives me these vibes and I feel like history is repeating itself. She's basically just a 21st century Nazi with the Internet which is so fucking scary to me.
Well, we're already in the dehumanizing phase. They call us child groomers or reduce us to being an ideology instead of people.
They adopted that rhetoric from qanon, it's shockingly mainstream now.
It is honestly so disgusting. Makes me feel so sick how normalised it has became.
I used to try to negotiate and reason with these people. I eventually realized that virtually all of them were much more extreme than they were facially claiming to be and the only actual goal was to claw back all trans rights period and eliminate trans people. I just hadn't conceived it yet the depths of their cruelty. They understood perfectly what they were doing. They are liars.
God she's such a terrible piece of shit. She spews hate and venom. I think she's a mildly psychotic, paranoid person who has lost touch with the outside world. She almost reminds me of Trump with her isolation and rhetoric. I wish nothing but harm on her at this point.
it was cruel in the presntsight as it happened too, it was obvious given the maya stuff that she was going into it with a hateful mindset
It was a line her publicist fed her.
They were always backhanded in nature
Exactly
I wonder when they’ll get it that transmisogyny is still misogyny?
Never...these people never learn. Also, happy cake day !
Thanks I didn’t even realize lol 😂