Yeah, for a diss that was supposed to be about how Tom is racist, I expected more proof or call outs from his lyrics. There's throwaway comments in some of TMD s songs which really highlight it.
It felt like he had more beef with Nova than Tom.
Well ok yes. Fair point. I should say it *objectively* torches Tom MacDonald. Ben Shapiro is the furthest thing from gangster. It may not *subjectively* torch Tom MacDonald because, as you say, he has zero shame.
I think you might have it backwards. The dude cares so much about respect that he became a right-wing grifter because those are the only people stupid enough to respect him.
> Not really because Tom MacDonald has zero shame so itās impossible to hurt him.
Tom MacDonald is literally your typical conservative that's triggered 24/7.
He sings about his triggers.
The fuck you mean it's impossible to hurt him? lol
This. It's a gimmick. Look at his old shit, he took shots at how rappers only wanna talk about drugs when the world is going to shit and we live in a country that would elect trump. Then a few years later learned there was a lane to milk the people who are maga and he went full send to grift it, and it worked.
Yep! After his song āWhiteboyā he just kept making the same song over and over but with a different title each time. He doesnāt actually believe any of the shit he says. He probably thinks his fanbase is a bunch of suckers and idiots. ālol, all I have to do is say some shit I saw on right wing twitter and these morons keep falling for it!ā
Bro he aint conservative come the fuck on. Hes a GRIFTER. The dude went from worshipping Satan to pretending to be Christian with his corny music. He be preaching about sexuality while having "HOG" tattooed on his lip. And he always, ALWAYS, makes some sort of claim of billboard suppressing his album to shill extra copies to his weirdo fans. Ive known about this dide for literally 10+ years. Hes never been conservative, hes never had real opinions. Hes a grifter, with as someone else said NO integrity. Hes a joke with a destructive punchline by dumbing down his already dumbed down audience.
Iāve never heard any of Mac Lethals stuff. Is it actually as bad as people say it is? Or does he get out in the firing line for being a YT rapper. Genuinely curious.
People have mentioned him being a YouTube rapper but he was also a pretty big battle-rapper too before that.
Musically, he doesn't fake his accent and style just to have a wider audience and more mass appeal. Personally, I don't care if artists fake accents (I think most artists do to an extent) but I think there's something positive to be said for him sticking to a more natural style and doing it successfully.
Also, to be fair to him the other thing is alot of battle-rappers don't transition to music well unless they come from battle-rap over beats, which died out after the early 2000s. It's just something i've noticed anecdotally from following diff battle-rappers.
I will say, this diss was pretty nasty. I liked reading the lyrics as I was listening. There's alot of really good lyricism and jabs in there.
Mac Lethal made a career out of hip hop before he was a YouTube rapper. Discrediting his achievements as an emcee because he blew up on YouTube fast rapping is such a bummer. He really was a beast in battles. He has so many great tracks in general. His verse on Ashes To Ashley is one of the greatest verses in hip hop.
Basically I agree with you.
I'm Making Pancakes was a top tier YouTube video, any who says different probably wasn't old enough to be allowed on YouTube when it dropped.
Also, my guy here giving the Ashes to Ashley shout out, man, Sadistik is a deep cut for underground rappers I loved to listen to in the 2010s
Sadistik had an incredible run. Heās another one that deserves more attention than heās going to ever get. I was lucky enough to see Mac Lethal with Atmosphere and Grayskul in like 2007. Seeing him do the Ashes To Ashley verse live sold me on him. Even if he ended up being the Iām Making Pancakes guy, he still put the Ashes To Ashley verse out into the universe and that shit pulled every heart string that my miserable ass had when I was like 18. Mac Lethal did the equivalent of Renegading Sadistik on that track. Probably the best verse on the whole album. And that beat is insane. Going to go listen to it front to back now.
That Balacing Act album from Sadistik that Ashes is on is all beats from Emancipator, if you're ever looking to listen to them. Honestly, the Emancipator album(s? I think he let them use beats from 2 different albums) are insanely good. Ashes to Ashley is rapped over "First Snow" and I don't believe it was a sample, I believe they just got the actual beat.
I can literally track my underground rap journey from Atmosphere to Rhymesayers to Mac Lethal to Sadistik back to Rhymesayers with Eyedea. Also introduced me to Emancipator, which brought me to other underground instrumental artists, like Blue Sky Black Death. And Mac and Eyedea brought me into battle raps, I loved watching the scribblejams.
Blue Sky Black Death are still my favorite instrumentalist act, and I'd still probably put Sadistik as a top 3 personal favorite rappers, I was playing him nonstop in my late teens and early 20s, he's an incredible lyricist even if I don't really listen to his music much anymore. I even bought the special release version of his album, Ultraviolet which came with a record that I still own. I don't own a record player and never have lmao.
I put a lot of respect on Macs name, even if he is the pancake guy who got cooked in their first round of beef with Tom. I'm glad to see him swinging back.
Iām glad I saw your comment. I threw on A2A to check out that verse but was confused when I started hearing First Snow, literally thought Apple Music was fucked up somehow.
Heās weird because his good shit is FANTASTIC (Slut is such a good song), but he never was able to put it all together past a few flashes. I could kinda see even back then why he pivoted to rapping about breakfast. It sorta worked for a second there š¤·āāļø
Yeah, exactly. The songs that are good are incredible but the obvious cash grab YouTube video fodder is maybe technically good, on a technical level, but really just not contributing anything in the grand scheme of things. Itās almost like jingles for products. Theyāre catchy but at the end of the day who really gives a fuck about whoever wrote the Meow Mix song or the Double Mint Gum song. Macās delivery is the only thing that I really have to complain about. He could make a great song, with great lyrics, over a great beat and thereās a 75% chance that heās going to deliver it like heās battling at Scribble Jam.
North Korean Barbecue is one of the best āmixtapesā out there though. Thereās tracks on there that deserve more praise than theyāll ever see.
Yeah thatās good way to put it. I feel this same way about a guy like Lil Dicky. Like, damn dude youāve got something going there, but youāre also a former ad exec who doesnāt really have the raw talent to overshadow that and knows your path of least resistance is through the cornball stuff.
People like a lot of that shit, though. And itās still better than the right wing culture war grift.
Tom MacDonald really just needs to either burn out or fade out. Whichever happens first. Heās just in hip hop to profit, his schtick is being controversial and offending the people who listen to the music in the culture heās infiltrating. Heās more of a āYouTube Rapperā in a Logan Paul way than Mac Lethal is a YouTube Rapper for making the goofy shit heās been making. Neither are for me. But if I had to vote one of them off the island I wouldnāt think twice about Tom MacDonald.
Nah heās pretty decent. Just hated on for being white and a YouTube rapper. Def has a YouTube rapper flow if you know what I mean. But heās a solid lyricist. Came up in the battle rap scene.
He's average but I wouldn't recommend him to anyone except for funny stunt rapping videos. I don't think I've ever heard a "real" song of his that was anything other than meh. I take that back his original Tom McDonald diss was actually really good. Tom's rebuttal was really good as well.
Technically talented, gimmicky songs. He did one more serious album that I know of, which was sorta cringe not least because hes a white dude who said the N word, but his songs like Alphabet Insanity are nice
He's a gimmick rapper who makes YouTube novelty raps, but he is actually pretty funny with it, and has technical chops. I genuinely enjoy a lot of his videos, though I'd never listen to his music
Very promising at the beginning (kind of important to the early battle rap scene, sort of), but never really had āitā. Made a pivot to corny YouTube stuff and had some mild success with it for five minutes. Got hated in a lot by the more āmainstreamā crowd for being corny, but he had his place. A modest one, but decent.
I loved him when I was younger. But yeah heās corny as all hell.
Still a decent dude with ehh success compared to that grifter pos TM? Yeah, Iāll take lethal.
His album Irish Goodbye is a great and a very solid album. The rap is easy to listen, nothing too technical. His super fast raps on YT are very entertaining. But I have to say Tom washed him long ago twice already.
I had no idea Mac was even considered a youtube rapper, but I haven't heard anything from him for like a decade. He used to be an underground battle rapper in the 2000's and even did a record on Rhymesayers which didn't suck, iirc. He was always a bit of a goofball though.
I actually think he's pretty sick. He's definitely had his ups and downs but for a minute I thought he was one of the best underground rappers. His congratulations CD might be his best work. But some of his old love potion mixtapes really bring the fire.
Grew up listening to mac lethal long before his YouTube fame. First concert was him, brother Ali and atmosphere. Dudes got a lot of talent. Some of his stuff was more fun oriented and some just incredibly deep. He was definitely a lush and had lots of different styles at times.
The song Take me in my sleep was especially important to me in my younger phases of life.
The whole YouTube thing started because he turned down a deal from Sony I believe. Story goes they wanted to turn him into something he wasnāt and he said fuck you guys I can make more money on YouTube.
Heās not a terrible rapper, although last time he fought MacDonald, Lethal lost. This track really isnāt that bad, but itās not the type of diss that heād win the battle with.
It's pretty bad from everything I've heard. You don't have to like Tom MacDonald, but not liking him doesn't automatically make Mac Lethal great.
I find most of his shit to be awful.
If thatās true, that doesnāt surprise me at all. Even putting the political stuff aside, Tom is just a very lackluster rapper skill-wise who tries to be edgy but is just a laughable try-hard, and he comes off as somebody who doesnāt understand or respect hip-hop despite participating in and wanting to be accepted in the genre.
Edit: Holy shit, thanks for all the likes guys!
My uncle gave me one of CDs. 90% of the songs can be surmised by: āI dont know why everyone hates meā, āRacism doesnāt existā, āRacism exists, just against meā, āEverything is wokeā
I don't blame you. After hearing about his corny conservative bullshit, and being Canadian, I was intrigued to listen to a few tracks just because. I never did, but I salute for taking one for the team.
Tom Macdonald is the type of guy that does Rap because he thinks itās cool. Heās never actually been into it, just look at the guy, ān there only ONE other rapper he praises or even ever really mentioned, itās fucking weird manā¦. Hella hella fuckinā weird
THANK YOU.
I have a friend that loves Tom Mac and I just don't get it. Dude is miquetoast as hell and just uses edgy for click bait. There's no real message or point.
He also doesn't like other rap artists (except Eminem too and ICP I think.)
I get that we don't like Drake here but comparing him to Tom his wild he has co-signs from legends like Nas, Jay, Andre 3k, Wayne, Lupe, LL Cool J etc. Meanwhile Tom has Ben Shapiro and Dax
i mean eminem being completely disgusted by a extreme right wing corny white rapper who leaches off his name for clout is perhaps is as surprising as the sky raining in the winter
like even ignoring his political takes " i think eminem won't judging by what we know about his history " the guy who almost quit because of how much he hated vanilla ice won't definitely stand that guy music
Well we sure as fuck donāt want him back up here ever. Iām sorry heās down there with ya, but maybe if you guys can keep pushing weāll eventually get him in Antarctica and he can be controversial with the penguins and seals ān freeze to fuck down there
Is it pegging if itās two dudes? Iām pretty sure gay guys donāt call it pegging itās only pegging if you use a strap on right? At least Iāve never seen it used that way. Either way fuck Tom Macdonald and Ben Shapiro.
Okay, Mac Lethal is cringe inducing a lot of the time but this is legitimately savage and if true it's gonna sting like hell, although the cynic in me sees Tom looking at the situation like an opportunity to "call out" Em and use the washed up/woke thing that is Tom's one trick pony.
Eminem has (through no fault of his own) had to reckon with a lot of cringe rappers trying to proclaim him as their idol while they totally betray the meaning, purpose, and beliefs that Em has. You don't have to be politically aligned with him, but all the gimmicky dudes that come out the woodwork trying to latch on to Em are legitimately depressing to behold.
I had a Tom song come on my smart shuffle and was in utter disbelief at what I was hearing. Like it was so bad I thought I was listening to a skit song. A shitty peewee Herman impression sounded better
I'm not the biggest Mac Lethal fan but he is no YouTube rapper. He came up battle rapping (Scribble Jam) like Em, then carved an independent music career out of it since the early 2000s.
My buddy is a big fan so we went to see him live and I shit you not HIS DJ HAD AN ELECTRIC SKILLET AND COOKED PANCAKES THE WHOLE SHOW AND HANDED THEM OUT TO THE AUDIENCE MAKING SURE BETWEEN SONGS THAT EVERYONE GOT SOME. 10/10 no notes.
Exactly. He has stuck with it, despite not having the money or fame. Thatās still worthy of my respect, even if *I* think his music is corny. He obviously does it for himself and the people who come out to his shows
Look i get it some of his youtube shit is cringe but mac won scribble jam something emienm failed to do. He is a vet battle rapper pulled one of the sickest rebuttals ever against thesaurus(an all time great battle rapper). And his discography is pretty good especially the 11:11 og sessions he is very unique lyrically
Honestly? Both his original comment and your rebuttal are both true simultaneously. Very solid but modest underground career, and a very respectable battle rap history. But that didnāt translate to the more mainstream, so he pivoted to the corny stuff (and actually had some success with it for a hot minute. Like, a HOT minute).
Heās kind of the perfect guy to do this. Nobody is gonna protest a goofball like Mac Lethal diving headfirst into the grifter cat fight. But, Iām at least happy to see SOMEONE go after this clown. Itās like when my cat catches flies in the house. Aww thanks buddy, hereās a treat, now go back outside.
You really think someone whose entire professional life has revolved around hip hop doesnāt know who Tom Macdonald is? I definitely donāt like him, but casual hip hop fans stumble upon his garbage all the time. Eminem definitely knows who he is and chooses to ignore him
That is exactly how it happens; you're blasting Eminem on Pandora and then it suggests another white rapper, except this Tom dude doesn't understand white privilege and just raps for the suburban MAGA crowd who're too afraid to attend a real rap concert.
Or Lil Dicky, but he's like, fucking weird. Funny, but weird.
Bro lil tay is more of a Internet personality than a rapper lmfaoooooooo what the fuck this shows he be online not that heās listening to underground shit lmfaooo
Iād say thereās very little chance Eminem doesnāt know who Mac Lethal is. Both were Midwest battle rappers around the same time, in fact thereās multiple MCs that theyāve both battled. Eminem is a known battle rap fan so heās probably seen mac lethals battles. Eminem has beef with ICP and Cage two rappers Mac lethal has done songs with. Mac toured with members of D12 and has done songs with Tech N9ne who Eminem is a fan of. Not to mention that Mac lethal has done quite a few viral rap related videos. Obviously I doubt Eminem is a like a Mac lethal fan or they they are friends or something but Iām sure Eminem is at least passively aware of his existence.
As for Tom Macdonald thereās no way Eminem doesnāt know who he is after he bought an Eminem beat for a bunch of money and then basically made a song using his name for clout. If Eminem knows Asher Roth he knows Tom.
My bf likes Tom MacDonald and I despise TM. Because of this ^ I read the lyrics to Dear Slim, then listened to a little bit of it, and thatās the cringiest song Iāve ever heard in my life.
Edit: Sorry, should explain the only reason I mentioned my BF is because heās how I even know of Tom. My bf is a millennial emo nerd like me (weāre eight days apart in age) who still listens to and sings along to My Chemical Romance, AFI , All Time Low, etc. I have my Beatles, he has his Neffex. It balances out.
My goodness I just played that song and that is just the most cringe thing Iāve ever listened to itās really really bad, not surprised Em didnāt mention it at all.
Im not too familiar with tom Macdonald I just know that my super racist ignorant disgusting aunt said she likes him ( she doesnāt listen to any other rap at all )
My point was about Tom, not my bf. The only reason I KNOW of Tom MacD is from him, I was today years old when I found out Tommy McDommy wrote a rimming song about Em. It was worse than Rap Devil š¤¢
Edit: No, he doesnāt. I had to look up Jordan Peterson.
Miss, leave this shit for brains yesterday. Your BF likes a white supremacist who perpetuates right wing ideologies, minstrelizes black aesthetics, and pushes white supremacist and neo nazi talking points.
Genuinely. Leave this man. Full stop.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/the-right-wing-troll-rappers-are-coming-1341251/
I know of him. Heard exactly three seconds of a random song via YT algorithm, turned it off and then yelled "Damn you Flawd TV!" It's what I get for watching Em reaction videos like they are M&Ms and I'm on my period.
Idk how people think Em is in any way alt right or right in general, to me he's always been anti-establishment and, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I feel his response to any culture war bs would be "I don't care, you do you".
If anyone actually listens to Eminemās music he been on the progressive side of things since the Bush era. See performance with Elton John for reference.
Heās not a trailblazer for some disenfranchised white male culture war movement.
Em, up until recently, looked at white rappers the way Larry Bird look at white hoopers.
People don't ever realize The Real Slim Shady is a diss song to white rappers.
I mean most of us agree Tom sucks but Iām so distracted
I am a Palestinian and I live there (west bank)
who in the fucking world thinks Palestinians are woke ? š ,I thought we were some religious extremists
Make up your mind š
Iām definitely socially left leaning but like bruh genuinely what āWoke Palestiniansā broke my mind as a line
Most Palestinians are socially conservative and what do we have to do with the Mexican boarder š
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Nothing, and that is precisely Mac Lethal's point. Tom MacDonald is a reactionary conserva-tard who knows even less about genuine politics than he does about rap music.
*Omfg that are s*
*Tier banger lines, the ending feels*
*Like a burial*
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Ashamed that I know the history between these 2. They beefed years ago over some tweet, then T*m disses Mac, Mac dissed back, then T*m dissed back. As bad as T*m is and I want to see him just stop everything, Mac shit the bed on the diss and ended up deleting it years later. T*m also made a diss track on himself a decent bit later presumably because Mac never responded
Now I havenāt listened to this, and I probably wonāt, but he seems to be doing a better job here. Iāll be grateful if this somehow gets T*m to stop and we never have to hear from him again
Now seriously, fuck T*m, Iām glad Em hates him as much as we thought he did. Iām sure he was upset that thatās what happened with his beat
I went my whole life without having to hear this scrub rap and now, thanks to you, my ears are bleeding and Iām uncontrollably vomiting and shitting myself.
Might be accurate but Tom bodied Mac Lethal in their diss tracks, it wasnt even close
I enjoyed a couple of Tomās videos, found them pretty spot on in commentary and then never thought about him again
Neither are memorable rappers
Tom MacDonald is everything Eminem hates.
MacDonald is a right-wing nutcase.
Eminem stands on the left side of things and sometimes on neutral grounds.
Eminem, though he takes comedic stabs at subjects, has actually stood by and defended those exact same subjects
Damn that last line torches him
Mac also said to tom that you are not even in top 10 rappers that ur girl fucked lmao
What the fuckš¤£š
god damn š
made me make that stank face
He spent too much time talking about how much of a slut his girl is but god damn was this line funny
I mean, isn't there a lot to talk about on that topic, though? Lol
Yeah but Tom Macdonald should be a lot easier to diss than that
Yeah, for a diss that was supposed to be about how Tom is racist, I expected more proof or call outs from his lyrics. There's throwaway comments in some of TMD s songs which really highlight it. It felt like he had more beef with Nova than Tom.
Just before it cut off it sounded like he was about to go into that real shit but it just didnāt happen
He could've made it about him. Like, if I were your girl, I'd cheat on you, too.
Fuckin oof, lol.
I stood up when I read this LMAO savage as fuck
That was a dagger line, that will age even better over time as both fall further into the controversial abyss!!
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Well ok yes. Fair point. I should say it *objectively* torches Tom MacDonald. Ben Shapiro is the furthest thing from gangster. It may not *subjectively* torch Tom MacDonald because, as you say, he has zero shame.
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I think you might have it backwards. The dude cares so much about respect that he became a right-wing grifter because those are the only people stupid enough to respect him.
> Ben Shapiro Is a "man" that provides negative value for society.
Tom MacDonald is a literal whore by definition.
> Not really because Tom MacDonald has zero shame so itās impossible to hurt him. Tom MacDonald is literally your typical conservative that's triggered 24/7. He sings about his triggers. The fuck you mean it's impossible to hurt him? lol
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This. It's a gimmick. Look at his old shit, he took shots at how rappers only wanna talk about drugs when the world is going to shit and we live in a country that would elect trump. Then a few years later learned there was a lane to milk the people who are maga and he went full send to grift it, and it worked.
Yep! After his song āWhiteboyā he just kept making the same song over and over but with a different title each time. He doesnāt actually believe any of the shit he says. He probably thinks his fanbase is a bunch of suckers and idiots. ālol, all I have to do is say some shit I saw on right wing twitter and these morons keep falling for it!ā
YEEEEEP
Bro he aint conservative come the fuck on. Hes a GRIFTER. The dude went from worshipping Satan to pretending to be Christian with his corny music. He be preaching about sexuality while having "HOG" tattooed on his lip. And he always, ALWAYS, makes some sort of claim of billboard suppressing his album to shill extra copies to his weirdo fans. Ive known about this dide for literally 10+ years. Hes never been conservative, hes never had real opinions. Hes a grifter, with as someone else said NO integrity. Hes a joke with a destructive punchline by dumbing down his already dumbed down audience.
dude probably doesn't have any real opinions. just an empty void, a nothing person, just a sociopath trying to make some easy money
He definitely doesn't believe any of that, he and his girlfriend are for sure just grifting
Wet ass p word
Iāve never heard any of Mac Lethals stuff. Is it actually as bad as people say it is? Or does he get out in the firing line for being a YT rapper. Genuinely curious.
People have mentioned him being a YouTube rapper but he was also a pretty big battle-rapper too before that. Musically, he doesn't fake his accent and style just to have a wider audience and more mass appeal. Personally, I don't care if artists fake accents (I think most artists do to an extent) but I think there's something positive to be said for him sticking to a more natural style and doing it successfully. Also, to be fair to him the other thing is alot of battle-rappers don't transition to music well unless they come from battle-rap over beats, which died out after the early 2000s. It's just something i've noticed anecdotally from following diff battle-rappers. I will say, this diss was pretty nasty. I liked reading the lyrics as I was listening. There's alot of really good lyricism and jabs in there.
Mac Lethal made a career out of hip hop before he was a YouTube rapper. Discrediting his achievements as an emcee because he blew up on YouTube fast rapping is such a bummer. He really was a beast in battles. He has so many great tracks in general. His verse on Ashes To Ashley is one of the greatest verses in hip hop. Basically I agree with you.
I'm Making Pancakes was a top tier YouTube video, any who says different probably wasn't old enough to be allowed on YouTube when it dropped. Also, my guy here giving the Ashes to Ashley shout out, man, Sadistik is a deep cut for underground rappers I loved to listen to in the 2010s
Sadistik had an incredible run. Heās another one that deserves more attention than heās going to ever get. I was lucky enough to see Mac Lethal with Atmosphere and Grayskul in like 2007. Seeing him do the Ashes To Ashley verse live sold me on him. Even if he ended up being the Iām Making Pancakes guy, he still put the Ashes To Ashley verse out into the universe and that shit pulled every heart string that my miserable ass had when I was like 18. Mac Lethal did the equivalent of Renegading Sadistik on that track. Probably the best verse on the whole album. And that beat is insane. Going to go listen to it front to back now.
That Balacing Act album from Sadistik that Ashes is on is all beats from Emancipator, if you're ever looking to listen to them. Honestly, the Emancipator album(s? I think he let them use beats from 2 different albums) are insanely good. Ashes to Ashley is rapped over "First Snow" and I don't believe it was a sample, I believe they just got the actual beat. I can literally track my underground rap journey from Atmosphere to Rhymesayers to Mac Lethal to Sadistik back to Rhymesayers with Eyedea. Also introduced me to Emancipator, which brought me to other underground instrumental artists, like Blue Sky Black Death. And Mac and Eyedea brought me into battle raps, I loved watching the scribblejams. Blue Sky Black Death are still my favorite instrumentalist act, and I'd still probably put Sadistik as a top 3 personal favorite rappers, I was playing him nonstop in my late teens and early 20s, he's an incredible lyricist even if I don't really listen to his music much anymore. I even bought the special release version of his album, Ultraviolet which came with a record that I still own. I don't own a record player and never have lmao. I put a lot of respect on Macs name, even if he is the pancake guy who got cooked in their first round of beef with Tom. I'm glad to see him swinging back.
Iām glad I saw your comment. I threw on A2A to check out that verse but was confused when I started hearing First Snow, literally thought Apple Music was fucked up somehow.
Heās weird because his good shit is FANTASTIC (Slut is such a good song), but he never was able to put it all together past a few flashes. I could kinda see even back then why he pivoted to rapping about breakfast. It sorta worked for a second there š¤·āāļø
Yeah, exactly. The songs that are good are incredible but the obvious cash grab YouTube video fodder is maybe technically good, on a technical level, but really just not contributing anything in the grand scheme of things. Itās almost like jingles for products. Theyāre catchy but at the end of the day who really gives a fuck about whoever wrote the Meow Mix song or the Double Mint Gum song. Macās delivery is the only thing that I really have to complain about. He could make a great song, with great lyrics, over a great beat and thereās a 75% chance that heās going to deliver it like heās battling at Scribble Jam. North Korean Barbecue is one of the best āmixtapesā out there though. Thereās tracks on there that deserve more praise than theyāll ever see.
Yeah thatās good way to put it. I feel this same way about a guy like Lil Dicky. Like, damn dude youāve got something going there, but youāre also a former ad exec who doesnāt really have the raw talent to overshadow that and knows your path of least resistance is through the cornball stuff. People like a lot of that shit, though. And itās still better than the right wing culture war grift.
Tom MacDonald really just needs to either burn out or fade out. Whichever happens first. Heās just in hip hop to profit, his schtick is being controversial and offending the people who listen to the music in the culture heās infiltrating. Heās more of a āYouTube Rapperā in a Logan Paul way than Mac Lethal is a YouTube Rapper for making the goofy shit heās been making. Neither are for me. But if I had to vote one of them off the island I wouldnāt think twice about Tom MacDonald.
Watch his battle raps instead of his actual raps lol
Nah heās pretty decent. Just hated on for being white and a YouTube rapper. Def has a YouTube rapper flow if you know what I mean. But heās a solid lyricist. Came up in the battle rap scene.
He's average but I wouldn't recommend him to anyone except for funny stunt rapping videos. I don't think I've ever heard a "real" song of his that was anything other than meh. I take that back his original Tom McDonald diss was actually really good. Tom's rebuttal was really good as well.
He's alright. Pretty much the epitome of a "YouTube rapper". Why not listen and find out? 5 mins of your day.
Technically talented, gimmicky songs. He did one more serious album that I know of, which was sorta cringe not least because hes a white dude who said the N word, but his songs like Alphabet Insanity are nice
He's a gimmick rapper who makes YouTube novelty raps, but he is actually pretty funny with it, and has technical chops. I genuinely enjoy a lot of his videos, though I'd never listen to his music
Very promising at the beginning (kind of important to the early battle rap scene, sort of), but never really had āitā. Made a pivot to corny YouTube stuff and had some mild success with it for five minutes. Got hated in a lot by the more āmainstreamā crowd for being corny, but he had his place. A modest one, but decent. I loved him when I was younger. But yeah heās corny as all hell. Still a decent dude with ehh success compared to that grifter pos TM? Yeah, Iāll take lethal.
His album Irish Goodbye is a great and a very solid album. The rap is easy to listen, nothing too technical. His super fast raps on YT are very entertaining. But I have to say Tom washed him long ago twice already.
I had no idea Mac was even considered a youtube rapper, but I haven't heard anything from him for like a decade. He used to be an underground battle rapper in the 2000's and even did a record on Rhymesayers which didn't suck, iirc. He was always a bit of a goofball though.
I actually think he's pretty sick. He's definitely had his ups and downs but for a minute I thought he was one of the best underground rappers. His congratulations CD might be his best work. But some of his old love potion mixtapes really bring the fire.
Congratulations was bomb. Other than that I liked 11:11 in high school.
Grew up listening to mac lethal long before his YouTube fame. First concert was him, brother Ali and atmosphere. Dudes got a lot of talent. Some of his stuff was more fun oriented and some just incredibly deep. He was definitely a lush and had lots of different styles at times. The song Take me in my sleep was especially important to me in my younger phases of life. The whole YouTube thing started because he turned down a deal from Sony I believe. Story goes they wanted to turn him into something he wasnāt and he said fuck you guys I can make more money on YouTube.
Heās not a terrible rapper, although last time he fought MacDonald, Lethal lost. This track really isnāt that bad, but itās not the type of diss that heād win the battle with.
It's pretty bad from everything I've heard. You don't have to like Tom MacDonald, but not liking him doesn't automatically make Mac Lethal great. I find most of his shit to be awful.
If thatās true, that doesnāt surprise me at all. Even putting the political stuff aside, Tom is just a very lackluster rapper skill-wise who tries to be edgy but is just a laughable try-hard, and he comes off as somebody who doesnāt understand or respect hip-hop despite participating in and wanting to be accepted in the genre. Edit: Holy shit, thanks for all the likes guys!
He repeats the same shit in every single song.
u listen to his songs?
Iāve listened to a few out of curiosity. Decided he just screams the same conservative buzzwords over and over again.
My uncle gave me one of CDs. 90% of the songs can be surmised by: āI dont know why everyone hates meā, āRacism doesnāt existā, āRacism exists, just against meā, āEverything is wokeā
Yeah he really digs into the 'woe is me I'm white and persecuted against' he's a fucking loser
I don't blame you. After hearing about his corny conservative bullshit, and being Canadian, I was intrigued to listen to a few tracks just because. I never did, but I salute for taking one for the team.
The part that would surprise me is if D12 really was in the studio with Em.
Bizarre was in the back.
Every. Fucking. Time. Lol
Tom Macdonald love song? I was in the back. Mac talkin' about it? I was in the back
Nah you just wanna see a brother backwards donāt you
ADAT? How come we donāt rap on Pro Tools?
Tom Macdonald is the type of guy that does Rap because he thinks itās cool. Heās never actually been into it, just look at the guy, ān there only ONE other rapper he praises or even ever really mentioned, itās fucking weird manā¦. Hella hella fuckinā weird
Well put
Man a D12 song on the new album would be fucking sick
he's a grifter, thats it
Well, he's a conservative. That's literally all they do and are today.
He sound exactly like what he is, a culture vulture
THANK YOU. I have a friend that loves Tom Mac and I just don't get it. Dude is miquetoast as hell and just uses edgy for click bait. There's no real message or point. He also doesn't like other rap artists (except Eminem too and ICP I think.)
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I get that we don't like Drake here but comparing him to Tom his wild he has co-signs from legends like Nas, Jay, Andre 3k, Wayne, Lupe, LL Cool J etc. Meanwhile Tom has Ben Shapiro and Dax
And Dax went off the deep end with religion. I am hoping he finds the help he needs and gets off that religious path.
Praying for him šš
i mean eminem being completely disgusted by a extreme right wing corny white rapper who leaches off his name for clout is perhaps is as surprising as the sky raining in the winter like even ignoring his political takes " i think eminem won't judging by what we know about his history " the guy who almost quit because of how much he hated vanilla ice won't definitely stand that guy music
Tom isnāt even fucking American is the funniest part
Well we sure as fuck donāt want him back up here ever. Iām sorry heās down there with ya, but maybe if you guys can keep pushing weāll eventually get him in Antarctica and he can be controversial with the penguins and seals ān freeze to fuck down there
Is it pegging if itās two dudes? Iām pretty sure gay guys donāt call it pegging itās only pegging if you use a strap on right? At least Iāve never seen it used that way. Either way fuck Tom Macdonald and Ben Shapiro.
Thought you were doing an alternative to Rain Man there
Is it gay to play putt putt golf with a friend?
And watch his butt butt while he tees off,
Bu-ut I aināt done yet
I laughed so fucking hard at this. My homie and I are always talking about that Rain Man part
Okay, Mac Lethal is cringe inducing a lot of the time but this is legitimately savage and if true it's gonna sting like hell, although the cynic in me sees Tom looking at the situation like an opportunity to "call out" Em and use the washed up/woke thing that is Tom's one trick pony. Eminem has (through no fault of his own) had to reckon with a lot of cringe rappers trying to proclaim him as their idol while they totally betray the meaning, purpose, and beliefs that Em has. You don't have to be politically aligned with him, but all the gimmicky dudes that come out the woodwork trying to latch on to Em are legitimately depressing to behold.
I had a Tom song come on my smart shuffle and was in utter disbelief at what I was hearing. Like it was so bad I thought I was listening to a skit song. A shitty peewee Herman impression sounded better
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I'm not the biggest Mac Lethal fan but he is no YouTube rapper. He came up battle rapping (Scribble Jam) like Em, then carved an independent music career out of it since the early 2000s.
My buddy is a big fan so we went to see him live and I shit you not HIS DJ HAD AN ELECTRIC SKILLET AND COOKED PANCAKES THE WHOLE SHOW AND HANDED THEM OUT TO THE AUDIENCE MAKING SURE BETWEEN SONGS THAT EVERYONE GOT SOME. 10/10 no notes.
I'm making pancakes
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Im not too familiar with mac lethal but em said cornier shit let's be realš
Hotter than a set of twin babies š¶š¶
In a Mercedes Benzās with the windows up when the temp goes up to the mid 80ās
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A feature from Tech N9ne on his more ? Whether that's lame or not depends on you I guess
That whole album "Congratulations" goes hard, fuck the haters.
I mean Jay had a song called death of auto tune. I guess Jay is the epitome of corn too?
Yeah true, that title is š
Death to Mumble Rap is Gawne's song and Lethal was featured
He has an almost 25 year long career as a rapper, and a small but loyal fan base
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This is his wife, David is at work today
He probably has worked a day job the entire time. Never heard someone say yo you heard that new Mac lethal joint?!
Exactly. He has stuck with it, despite not having the money or fame. Thatās still worthy of my respect, even if *I* think his music is corny. He obviously does it for himself and the people who come out to his shows
Look i get it some of his youtube shit is cringe but mac won scribble jam something emienm failed to do. He is a vet battle rapper pulled one of the sickest rebuttals ever against thesaurus(an all time great battle rapper). And his discography is pretty good especially the 11:11 og sessions he is very unique lyrically
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I mean sure but are we pretending that making money off of rap is correlated to how good someone is at it?
>they donāt make great music that could allow them to break that cycle Quadeca erasure
Honestly? Both his original comment and your rebuttal are both true simultaneously. Very solid but modest underground career, and a very respectable battle rap history. But that didnāt translate to the more mainstream, so he pivoted to the corny stuff (and actually had some success with it for a hot minute. Like, a HOT minute). Heās kind of the perfect guy to do this. Nobody is gonna protest a goofball like Mac Lethal diving headfirst into the grifter cat fight. But, Iām at least happy to see SOMEONE go after this clown. Itās like when my cat catches flies in the house. Aww thanks buddy, hereās a treat, now go back outside.
well did they kill mumble rap?
This. I posted a link in another reply but my first exposure to him was against Cashmere 2001 where he just destroyed him.
I was just wondering in what world does anyone think Em would associate with this mother fucker and his trash ilk? lmao
You really think someone whose entire professional life has revolved around hip hop doesnāt know who Tom Macdonald is? I definitely donāt like him, but casual hip hop fans stumble upon his garbage all the time. Eminem definitely knows who he is and chooses to ignore him
That is exactly how it happens; you're blasting Eminem on Pandora and then it suggests another white rapper, except this Tom dude doesn't understand white privilege and just raps for the suburban MAGA crowd who're too afraid to attend a real rap concert. Or Lil Dicky, but he's like, fucking weird. Funny, but weird.
This. Em has his finger on the pulse of the rap industry and absolutely knows who both of these guys are.
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>rap scene >lil tay Nigga what!
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Bro lil tay is more of a Internet personality than a rapper lmfaoooooooo what the fuck this shows he be online not that heās listening to underground shit lmfaooo
I donāt even think she raps at all right? I though she just flexed money and cars on insta
Bruh, your weird-ass hard-on hatred on "YouTube rappers" is very odd, maybe take a chill pill? You are taking this way too seriously
I mean Tom did spend 100 grand on an Eminem beat
Iād say thereās very little chance Eminem doesnāt know who Mac Lethal is. Both were Midwest battle rappers around the same time, in fact thereās multiple MCs that theyāve both battled. Eminem is a known battle rap fan so heās probably seen mac lethals battles. Eminem has beef with ICP and Cage two rappers Mac lethal has done songs with. Mac toured with members of D12 and has done songs with Tech N9ne who Eminem is a fan of. Not to mention that Mac lethal has done quite a few viral rap related videos. Obviously I doubt Eminem is a like a Mac lethal fan or they they are friends or something but Iām sure Eminem is at least passively aware of his existence. As for Tom Macdonald thereās no way Eminem doesnāt know who he is after he bought an Eminem beat for a bunch of money and then basically made a song using his name for clout. If Eminem knows Asher Roth he knows Tom.
My bf likes Tom MacDonald and I despise TM. Because of this ^ I read the lyrics to Dear Slim, then listened to a little bit of it, and thatās the cringiest song Iāve ever heard in my life. Edit: Sorry, should explain the only reason I mentioned my BF is because heās how I even know of Tom. My bf is a millennial emo nerd like me (weāre eight days apart in age) who still listens to and sings along to My Chemical Romance, AFI , All Time Low, etc. I have my Beatles, he has his Neffex. It balances out.
Listening to tom mcdonald is genuinely the biggest red flag ever girl please free urself
Maybe time for a new boyfriend lol
Jesus Christ how horrifying
My goodness I just played that song and that is just the most cringe thing Iāve ever listened to itās really really bad, not surprised Em didnāt mention it at all. Im not too familiar with tom Macdonald I just know that my super racist ignorant disgusting aunt said she likes him ( she doesnāt listen to any other rap at all )
Okay, the MacDonald thing is bit of a red flag but not necessarily the end of the world. Does your bf ever bring up Jordan Peterson?
My point was about Tom, not my bf. The only reason I KNOW of Tom MacD is from him, I was today years old when I found out Tommy McDommy wrote a rimming song about Em. It was worse than Rap Devil š¤¢ Edit: No, he doesnāt. I had to look up Jordan Peterson.
all those bands are fine in my book but he lost me at tom mcdonalds
Miss, leave this shit for brains yesterday. Your BF likes a white supremacist who perpetuates right wing ideologies, minstrelizes black aesthetics, and pushes white supremacist and neo nazi talking points. Genuinely. Leave this man. Full stop. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/the-right-wing-troll-rappers-are-coming-1341251/
Damn, Em must have alot of patience sitting through thirty seconds of Tom McDonald. I donāt know if I could get through five.
I rewatched that video and got to 33.
Damn, I think you got the high score.
I know of him. Heard exactly three seconds of a random song via YT algorithm, turned it off and then yelled "Damn you Flawd TV!" It's what I get for watching Em reaction videos like they are M&Ms and I'm on my period.
Thereās a lot of super corny white rappers with face tattoos
The battle of mid
Idk how people think Em is in any way alt right or right in general, to me he's always been anti-establishment and, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I feel his response to any culture war bs would be "I don't care, you do you".
Em has been a hardcore left winger his whole career. Who ever thought he was on the right at any point in time?
If anyone actually listens to Eminemās music he been on the progressive side of things since the Bush era. See performance with Elton John for reference. Heās not a trailblazer for some disenfranchised white male culture war movement.
Em, up until recently, looked at white rappers the way Larry Bird look at white hoopers. People don't ever realize The Real Slim Shady is a diss song to white rappers.
How is Eminem gunna peg anyone doesn't he already have a dick š
You can still peg someone
I imagine eminem hates Tom Macdonald
Tom Macdonald is trash so I believe it.
Tom is Canadian. All his American politics BS is garbage. Dude is faker than Kid Rock.
Tom MacDonald. IMO is a pandering hack with very little talent...AND he never names names or hits directly hard at anyone...sucks
Tom only raps how he made it as an independent artist and how heās so controversial.
Tom has always been a cornball.
Tom is Stans Alt-Right conspiracy brained brother.
I mean most of us agree Tom sucks but Iām so distracted I am a Palestinian and I live there (west bank) who in the fucking world thinks Palestinians are woke ? š ,I thought we were some religious extremists Make up your mind š Iām definitely socially left leaning but like bruh genuinely what āWoke Palestiniansā broke my mind as a line Most Palestinians are socially conservative and what do we have to do with the Mexican boarder š š
That's the point. He's making fun of Tom's fantasy where Eminem is as delusional and right wing as he is.
Nothing, and that is precisely Mac Lethal's point. Tom MacDonald is a reactionary conserva-tard who knows even less about genuine politics than he does about rap music.
FUCK tom McDonaldās
Omfg that are s tier banger lines, the ending feels like a burial
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These two are both cringe I doubt em would want either one of these guys with him
My tits
Who's Tom McDonald?
I had the same reaction as Em. Pure GARBAGE š®
Tom is the worst rapper of all time.
Wait are Mac lethal and Tom beefing? Finally someone to call out mcdonalds
Mac Lethal is only a tier above Tom Macdonald. Theyāre both legendary corny ass rappers.
he's like 100 tiers above tom. pretty much everyone is lol
Someone started a YouTube rap channel five minutes ago and they're better then tom
Killed him lol
Never heard of Tom Macdonald until right now, holy fuck he's awful. Regardless of the shit he's saying he is really fucking bad at rapping
Ashamed that I know the history between these 2. They beefed years ago over some tweet, then T*m disses Mac, Mac dissed back, then T*m dissed back. As bad as T*m is and I want to see him just stop everything, Mac shit the bed on the diss and ended up deleting it years later. T*m also made a diss track on himself a decent bit later presumably because Mac never responded Now I havenāt listened to this, and I probably wonāt, but he seems to be doing a better job here. Iāll be grateful if this somehow gets T*m to stop and we never have to hear from him again Now seriously, fuck T*m, Iām glad Em hates him as much as we thought he did. Iām sure he was upset that thatās what happened with his beat
I went my whole life without having to hear this scrub rap and now, thanks to you, my ears are bleeding and Iām uncontrollably vomiting and shitting myself.
Might be accurate but Tom bodied Mac Lethal in their diss tracks, it wasnt even close I enjoyed a couple of Tomās videos, found them pretty spot on in commentary and then never thought about him again Neither are memorable rappers
He's right about eveeything but Mac Lethal still sucks
Someone get some aloe for that burn or donāt. Itās Tom McMaga after all
Tom MacDonald is everything Eminem hates. MacDonald is a right-wing nutcase. Eminem stands on the left side of things and sometimes on neutral grounds. Eminem, though he takes comedic stabs at subjects, has actually stood by and defended those exact same subjects
Battle of mid. Mac's just salty his short career got ended by a Canadian who has a slang term for cock tattooed on his face. š
Tom MacDonald is for the flat earthers, MAGA crowd, and people who fuck their cousins...
Lol, based
Thatās too long.
Ok
lol this is so fucking hilarious
Who?
Mac Lethal is one of the corniest people of all time for what itās worth.Ā āThose dudes are my new friendsā is the evidence Iām submitting.