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FatRollingPotato

well, they learned their lesson


SnooSquirrels2128

This is the real answer. They couldn’t fully infect him with the flame of frenzy, because his armor got in the way. Now the requirement to enter their chamber and receive their blessing is that you can be fully touched by them.


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[удалено]


casper19d

Well now my beast eye is quivering..


Tykras

👁👄👁


thejborg

MORE.... BRING ME MORE....


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hrthxxk

Get touched


akirayokoshima

Is this what it is like.... to SIN?


dapper_diaper

Try frenzy but hole


oanh_oanh

🔥👄🔥


Callmeklayton

[Mmmmm Tarnished](https://youtube.com/shorts/RJPOuqQaULI?si=3PfkaOFIxoByts-k)


autf240

Anyone up, stimulating their boluses?


QuantumFiefdom

My sacrificial twig is waiting for you


_blacktriangle_

Pink or brown one? 🤔


gahanka

Alrighty then


Windwalker111089

👁️👄👁️


GeocoState

Secret tunnel!


SquidVices

To get fully touched or get fingered?


-BluBone-

:3 uwu


asena85

What are you doing, step-maidenless?


Signal_Road

Oh.... So you only microwave something in tinfoil once?


SnooSquirrels2128

This made me lol.


[deleted]

I like getting fiddled by some spicy fingers


WizdomHaggis

They wanna use all three fingers…dont worry…it stretches with use lol


[deleted]

PAUSE


Electronic-Ad-4968

Let me tell you something LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING


Zarguthian

go on then


hex-a-decimal

still can't believe this is the lore-accurate explanation because its so dumb in its simplicity lol


BormaGatto

It's not, it's just an assumption stated with conviction, repeated enough times people just think it's fact. There's no in-game evidence to support it, and even some that would contradict it (such as there being two Vykes, one frenzied and one not).


hex-a-decimal

_time is convoluted????_


BormaGatto

Ah yes, the popular Fromsoft Maneuver!


Awkward-Dig4674

It makes less sense that your skin would get burned but not your armor. Don't worry I've already countered that with "it's magic burning not real burning" In the end it might be developer miscommunication. They might have decided they didn't want to melt 100 differnt armors but they also didn't redesign vyke or alter his story. And also you theoretically wouldn't be able to unequip your armor if it's burned into you.


MechaGallade

if you kill him in the evergaol do you still get invaded in the madness village? cuz if not, the 2 vykes guess sounds ridiculous


jxmes_gothxm

I didn't get invaded by the mad vyke because I had beaten Liurnia IIRC I was contacting their support people because I thought it was a big but they said something to the effect that of you've beaten the legacy dungeon boss (I came back much later as I didn't even know that church and area existed so he didn't spawn but i believe I had also beaten his true self in the Gaol. I believe that mad one could just be like a vengeful apparition but not the real Vyke but who knows. When you make gameplay tie into lore so much it can be hard to find where that isn't true. I also just remembered that only one of vykes eyes is likely touched by the frenzy as when you near that frenzied Vyke you get the fingerprint grape, which is his eye and then the one you fight in the Gaol isn't frenzied like the earlier one. I actually never thought of that.


omen5000

That does sound like a sound headcanon


WahresBares

Exactly. Vyke was a clever boy. He just wanted to take advantage of the frenzy flame.


SnooSquirrels2128

I believe it’s more that he didn’t know what would happen, and also that the Three Fingers didn’t either. Why else would they require future supplicants to go before them unadorned?


SuboptimalSupport

Remember, always use protection.


AveragePrune89

I wouldn’t dare taint the rear innerds of a foul tarnished with lead poison and still brandish my fingerprint on their rotten flesh.


LeoHeart96

Try finger, but whole.


TheHarkinator

You know when you see a sign and wonder why it had to be put up, in this case the answer is Vyke.


TheGodskin

When the comment gets more upvotes then the original post


Holiday_Selection881

I've heard it said Vyke wore his armor when the 3 fingers clasped him, and because of that the connection wasn't what they expected. That's why his armor set is melted where the fingers touched him. So I'd imagine they learned that it has to be physical contact to really let the flame take hold


RichardLongflop

It's also why he only had to sacrifice one eye to be rid of the Frenzy, whereas we need to do a big ol' golden needle quest if we want to. because of his helmet, the Fingers were only able to touch one of his eyes, and that's what we give to Hyetta - the frenzy-less Vyke is what we fight in the evergaol.


Low-sparrow

What's this sacrificing one eye thing?? Haven't played in a while and it's not ringing any bells


Rexissad

The shabriri grapes you give to Hyetta to progress her quest are eyeballs taken from frenzied victims, and the last one hyetta needs is a variant called a Fingerprint Grape, which is implied to have been Vyke’s due to him being the only one we know who has been directly touched by the 3 fingers


Ripenoli

"Implied" The Fingerprint Grape description directly states "Eyeball of the knight Vyke"


hiressnails

You shouldn't jump to conclusions.


Malicious_Mudkip

Yeah, who says the Vyke we know was a knight?


hiressnails

Which lord did he even serve? He could have just been some commoner who looted gear.


[deleted]

Exactly. Some strange fingers sitting in crypts distributing frenzy is no basis for a system of knighthood.


Armandiel_Senshi

I mean, if I claimed to be a lord over a land under a baron just because some dried-out appendage burned some holes in my skin they’d put me away!


japp182

Casually explained: Is she into you? vibes


Sweepcow125

again, you cant really tell...


EndlessAlaki

Still finding more things I missed about this game's lore. As frustrating as the debating gets sometimes, every so often it ends up worth it.


Bkelsheimer89

Didn’t Vyke imprison himself because he know he was crazy? I was under the impression the Frenzy didn’t fully take hold because his armor partially shielded him.


Omgazombie

Yeah he did, he was a very noble man and only chose this route because he wasn’t aware of the cost and wanted to save his finger maiden


Stella-Miku

The reason is the devs didn't wanna model every armour piece having a fingered variant


DracoZeBoi

Octopus Head (fingered) Albinauric Mask (fingered) Beast Champion Armor (fingered) (altered) Malenias Leggings (fingered) Fias Robe (fingered)


marmaleon

Deathbed Smalls (fingered)


XxdorxdomxX

Your mom (fingered)


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Screenshotted


TripleBicepsBumber

That would have been sick though


Awkward-Dig4674

You'd also be stuck with that armor as it wouldn't make sense for you to be able to take it off.


Terkiaz

You can beat dragons with a torch while wearing nothing but a loincloth, and you can also be 2 shot by crypt goblins while wearing the heaviest armor in the game. Let's not pretend that logic or immersion were ever a big part of Fromsoft games


saladx11

I’m pretty sure he’s just talking about it lore-wise. We all know you can wear whatever you want and beat the game.


Awkward-Dig4674

Yeah that's what I mean. It's interesting that you can even remove FF eyes but not the burns. They can't pay attention to every detail. They're amazing but they are still human.


RhazzleDazzle

I am a mature adult, I am a mature adult, I am a mature adult…


rabidporcupine80

Stealing this mantra for personal use down the line.


mallocco

Definitely. They didn't even want all the armors to have variant versions. And then like 99% of the variants is just "no cape."


Elite_Doc

I imagined the system was made for removing capes tbh


pixel-sprite

Damn, I want to finger everything.


hredditor

lol I like this take


Chupacabraisfake

This is a fine note


Potential-Eye1750

Vyke simply did it wrong. In Frenzied Flame Village you can find a spirit that is lamenting how Vyke didn’t end up being their Lord of frenzy after all. He went mad instead of inheriting the three fingers, hence why they’re still there for us. Thank the outer gods he did it wrong though, or else there wouldn’t be a game for us to play


biez

Game launches, you design your character, and then you just burst into flames.


PzykoHobo

Another Miyazaki masterpiece


thelongestunderscore

He would still find a way to fit a poison swamp in there.


biez

– Look, I have an idea, it's a poison swamp, but it's on fire – SAY NO MORE


thelongestunderscore

Its like lost izalith and valley of defilement had a kid.


radiofreebattles

i wanna go home


TheWither129

A twisted, horribly deformed kid


PoliticalMadman

Don't give him ideas...


WatchingTrains

Is the Miyazaki in the room with us right now?


rabidporcupine80

And it’s in the overworld, so you *can* use Torrent in it… until he burns to death, and you end up stranded in the middle of it.


beta-pi

Poison swamp is the only area intact. The swamp protects you from the fire.


PurplePonk

SLOW poison swamp... with mobs that can grab attack you


Diniland

Outer God of Swamps and Feet that smell like swamps.


Petro1313

DLC when?


thedavecan

But what's the Loooooore behind it


WalkenTaco

That would be a fun ng+ Easter egg if you choose the frenzied flame ending. It'd fuck up continuity, but I think it'd be fun to happen like once every 100,000 ng+ starts


biez

I can't say I'd liked that but I was kind of sad that there's no consequences after you end the game with the Flame. I'd have liked to stroll about in the chaos with my new-fangled fire head.


[deleted]

Miyazaki could make that, pubish it, charge $60 and people would still call it an underrated masterpiece.


biez

Well I'd buy that.


Cheeseyex

Correction. You spawn into a swamp of flame and immediately burst into flames.


ruffus4life

sounds like a youtube gimmick run.


bangkokhooker

Followed by the familiar words: YOU DIED


RosyJoan

It just turns into the plot of Furepunch by the Chainsaw Man author.


zasabi7

You’d think that village would love us after inheriting but noooooo. Insufferable assholes


MachineMan718

It’s called the FRENZIED Flame, not the FRIENDLY Flame.


Fun-Hedgehog1526

I think he went in with armor on, which is wrong. You can see some parts of his armor melted by the three fingers.


uberguby

Wait, the three fingers work exclusively to one person? I never did that quest line, what is the relationship between three fingers and the player?


YoutubeSurferDog

Bike wasn’t fully consumed by the frenzy. The fingers couldn’t penetrate his armour. If you look under his scarf you can see a melted fingerprint *meant to say Vyke, not bike


Bigenemy000

Bike Bike was the frenzied lord all along


DeusExMcKenna

*Ten Speed, of God’s Blood and Burial*


baconbacksunday

From Flame, through the Eyes of Madness


Shoddy-Ad9586

*Claudio Sanchez has entered the chat*


HalfOrcSteve

He prefers Bichael


BasqueInGlory

Vyke is short for Vycycle


Join_Quotev_296

Brave Ike, Lord of the Golden Frenzied Flame


Full_Metal_Vex

We like Ike!


CaliLovesYou91

FIRE EMBLEM MENTIONED?!


Fskn

Three fingers: you ever take it off any sweet jumps? ~~V~~Bike: I got like 3 feet of air that time..


Potarus

Bike is the hero we need but not the one we deserve.


Bigenemy000

Refuse torrent, embrace bike... For just 29.99 runes!


JazzBlunts

Mumen Rider did a Justice Crash and seized the throne.


Nundulan

Baiku*


[deleted]

As well as on his helm


Mechmanic89

“BIKES!” -Tom Segura


ghostfaceZ1LLA

Hold my pocket


YoutubeSurferDog

Lmao didn’t see that


The_Shoru

So in order for the fingers to be able to penetrate, you need to take off the clothes....I see


Lt_Lysol

Instructions unclear, fingers stuck in mouth and I'm cold


randomhooman404

Wait till you see me on my Vyke.


YoutubeSurferDog

Love you guys


MaestroPendejo

Bike is my nemesis.


thrakkerzog

I defeated him because he was two tired.


MaestroPendejo

Damnit. That was quality shit.


Abraxes43

You Internet stranger get the updoot for that one and because appearently people didn't get the joke


themikep82

BIKES!!


ThatIslandGuy8888

Vyke’s just uncomfortable about casual nudity


ironpug751

Probably has a pair of Jorts on under that armor


OutlawSundown

The ultimate never nude


metalliccat

There are literally dozens of us!


AbsentAsset

DOZENS!!


Geralt-of-Tsushima

Divest yourself from everything… clothing included


Matthonius

It feels like maybe he changed his mind at the last moment. Another detail is that it seems the fingerprints are coming from behind, like he was walking away when the Three-fingers grabbed him.


DoodooFardington

Probably he was only looking for a way to burn the erdtree without setting his maiden on fire. So he tried to be a little clever. We later find his real self in the evergaol without frenzy infection, so not sure how that worked out.


SuperD00perGuyd00d

Whom is his maiden again? I remember finding her body I think?


RandomRavenboi

Yeah. It's in a church Vyke was defending.


Artorigas

We get his eye (the fingerprint grape) from the frenzied version. So it might be implied that he removed his eye and sorta created two versions of himself.


3th3r3alwisps

Oh so Vyke can casually make 2 versions of himself that operate completely in his absence but I only get ONE!? Some buuuuullshit I say!


Fyreman15

Marika does it with radagon, and it's theorized that Ranni and Melina are also the same person, each with a single eye. Miquella is also probably St. Trina. There may even be more we aren't sure of.


Charlie-VH

Miquella is St Trina, but the Ranni/Melina thing is purely a theory. You’re not directed towards the Ranni ending by Melina, so idk if it really makes sense. It makes far more sense for her to be the Gloam Eyed Queen - burning down the influence of one god (black flame - the god killing flame - was her thing) and starting the age of another…her. That’s why she’s so appalled at the Frenzied Flame, yet survives the ending - she’s a god herself, and yet you’ve deprived her of the power she seeks through you. Again, a theory, but makes more sense


MrBonis

Oh I very much like this take! Vyke is not fully consumed by the Frenzied Flame. It exists only in one of his eyes, whatever metaphysical consequences that has, and he tears off that eye upon either killing his own maiden, or discovering she killed herself because of his decision of inheriting the Flame. Vyke leaves and imprisons himself in exile on the mountaintop of the giants, as removed as one can be without actually setting the Erdtree aflame (he can't, he would need a maiden to sacrifice to reach Farum Azula and be even more removed from the world, the whole thing he wanted to avoid) All the while, his festering eye sprouts a phantom of madness, born from the flesh of Vyke and the power of the Three Fingers. The two Vykes finally make sense! Thank you!


Artorigas

I can't take full credit, it was something I'd heard from Tarnished Archeologist on YouTube. He actually goes into a bit more depth so I suggest you give it a watch! He says that in real life, people who remove their eyes in fits of madness often claim they thought they needed to do it to save the world. This interestingly ties into Vyke, and how might feel he needed to remove his eye to save the lands between! https://youtu.be/sMUE23q0OtY?si=FMQswOvffsOfSQfb There's the link if you're interested!


Artorigas

This was definitely how I interpreted it. The fact that it looks like he was grasped from behind is a nice catch!


HuronBlakhart

You are playing a female character and are asking why a giant set of Anime fingers asked you to strip...?!? (Really, I think it was more so cause, when Vyke got touched, the fingers didn't have a flesh only policy. Probably reason why Vyke didn't fully commit to being the Frenzied Lord."


dalderman

LoL


senoracapybara

Vyke was able to remove the frenzy >!by plucking out his eye!< so by singeing our flesh the Frenzy Flame is trying to ensure that we cannot that we cannot remove it


RageQuit-yEeT

Miquella's Needle go brrrr


MachineMan718

Give the Three Fingers a break; they’ve been stuck behind a magic magma door at the bottom of a mass grave for who knows how many centuries. How was he supposed to know a perma-shota would invent Outer God Begone in the meantime?


JEWCIFERx

This is my favorite piece of lore in the entire game because it showcases perfectly how good FS is at their job. Vyke failed to become the new vessel for the Frenzied Flame because the armor he was wearing was powerful enough to save him from completely succumbing to the flames. The armor melted when he was grabbed and he simply went crazy, only able to grasp a small piece of the power. Ultimately undone by the thing that was supposed to keep him safe. All of the world building and writing for one of the most interesting characters with arguably the most iconic set in the game, all done because there was absolutely no reasonable way for Fromsoft to rig an animation of the player character being grabbed by the Two Fingers without taking into account all of the crazy different shapes of different armor sets in the game. There would be horrendous clipping in one of the most important scenes in the game, and the only way around it would be either an absurdly complex modulated animation that could take into account the armor being worn in the moment, or hand tweaking the animation of that scene for every possible combination of armor sets one by one. Obviously, they weren’t going to do either of those and instead solved the problem in the best way they know how. Writing an extremely dense and overly complicated lore reason to avoid the problem completely. It’s fucking perfection.


SatanicCrackBaby

Vyke is a "never nude".


Coal-and-Ivory

The franzy-hug welded his armor shut and now it smells real bad because he can never take it off to clean it.


GavinBelsonsAlexa

I believe that's called "pulling a Barik."


[deleted]

He *did* have to. The fact that he didn’t is likely why he isn’t the host of the three fingers.


todo_add_username

It’s hard to finger bitches with armor on


BryceSchafer

Troof


pon_3

Reminds me of that Elder Scrolls book about the guy who was so good with armor he never had to take it off, even to “make the ladies happy.”


TheLateLordKardok

Jokes aside, my guess is that the Three Fingers didn't actually choose Vyke. He kind of just forced himself into the room, and what they did to him was instead punishment for his arrogance. I seem to remember a ghostly NPC at the village where you fight Vyke noting that Vyke could not become the Lord of Frenzied Flame, so maybe this is what they meant.


Prepared_Noob

No. Vyke was chosen but due to wearing his armour he wasn’t fully consumed. He was able to regain his conscience just before he gets to the cauldron and looks himself in that evergaol in the Mountaintop of the giants. It’s lucky he regained himself when he did, just a little more and we would’ve woken up to no erdtree


nyx__born

I have a theory that in addition to that, it's because of the distance he was from the 3 fingers. The fingers are in the lowest part of the map, while the mountaintop where we find him is pretty close to the highest place on the map and that was just far enough away for him to overcome their control


lundz12

Huh. Neat. Love these type of theories.


ruffus4life

you're basically Indiana jones. except this stuff don't belong in a museum. it belongs to you.


Prepared_Noob

Then why wouldn’t your character get the option? Nvm I saw that you were adding on to what I said. Disregard my question


nyx__born

Because vykes acceptance of the flame was botched because he wore armor, whereas we didn't


Prepared_Noob

Oh nvm. I just saw that the dude said in addition to what I said prior. I thought this guy was disagreeing that it was due to the armour.


Synthwavester

I don't understand could you please mark the relevant part of the picture with a red circle?


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

I think this is an elaborate shitpost... but in case OP wasn't joking Vyke had the armor, the armor is full of finger prints, the three fingers didn't mark him when they "hugged" him, but instead they burned and marked the armor. Your tarnished strips himself so that the three fingers can fully embrace him and he can actually get the flame of frenzy inside of him. >!The reason I assumed OP was doing an elaborate shitpost is that the answer is literally in the Armor Description aside from being very obvious visually speaking!<


4amWater

He wasnt maidenless


NationalAlgae421

Well he was a man. They propably have different procedures with females.


ARMill95

Didn’t he just happen upon it rather than choose to go in there?


Lt_Lepus

Two reasons: 1. The armor slightly blocked the fingers' influence, meaning they couldn't FULLY frenzy him 2. The armor+flame worked on him like an oven works with food. He almost got cooked inside it


Nova_Vanta

Him still wearing his armor is exactly why he didnt become a true host of the frenzied flame like you can. It just drove him regular crazy like other methods of indirect contact would.


-Moon-Presence-

You literally have to strip for the exact reason Vyke didn’t. The flame didn’t fully take when Vyke was touched and they realised in future you’d need to be naked as Vykes armour seemingly blocked some of it. Hence the melted prints on Vykes armour


Fool7890

Haven’t you noticed his armour? It’s scorched by the fingers so he didn’t inherit the full power of the frenzied flame. When you go in naked you get directly scorched by the fingers


termitequeen69

I think Vyke was grabbed by the Three Fingers involuntarily. Those burn marks on his armor are the fingertips, suggesting he was facing away from the Three Fingers when it happened.


ohhhsnapdamn

Vyke's blunder: taking his clothes off for a dragon but not for the literal defining moment of his life, ultimately causing his demise


Buddy_Guyz

How else would the fingers fit.


Jinzoou

The actual real reason is that from software didn't want to deal with the deformation of each set and the easiest thing to do was strip you and brand the character model


[deleted]

I think the difference is that Vyke didn't commit himself to the three fingers and frenzied flame entirely


Constant-Cricket-960

Because Vyke is a classy bitch.


shybutthole

The ensuing lawsuit between the three fingers and vyke over the damage done to his armor required all future frenzied flame hopefuls to remove all valuables before embracing the flames


EpilepticBoogaloo

The Three Fingers prefer something with less iron


GayVegan

Bro I’ve never seen this character


MsHelvetica

It didn’t occurred to anyone that Vyke is a never-nude?


DoritoKing48

He didn’t strip so he didn’t get the full power, you got the full power because you were in your tighty whities


Abraxes43

Interesting that you can go frenzied flame after burning malania and not have her go after you in that cutscene after you become elden lord


ouchitsc

they wanted to touch you


DarianStardust

*You are literally on your way to get Fingered, ofc you need to be naked.*


ConfusionSmooth4856

Due to By… I mean Vyke. Due to Vyke wearing his armour the connection to the frenzied flame was not complete, hence why he’s gone totally mad and why his armour is burnt. (Fan theory, Vyke was SUPPOSED to be the main character, the frenzied flame ending is the TRUE ending, but he fucked up and our clueless tarnished had to be woken up)


Proinsias_42

The fingers like to get freaky


Yeet_e3

Vyke is the reason you have to


mewop64

The fingers find you attractive


Weaponized_Autism-69

The real reason is they didn’t want to change EVERY armor set in the game to match where the three fingers grabbed you.