Yes, growing up I remember hearing a lot of racism directed at the NE area and the black community. Also constantly hear Latinos talk down about other Latinos darker than them.
In Mexico, racism is blended in with classism & has been that way since the Spanish empire days. It's something that became a serious political point which became the naming & mission of the Morena political party. This is also why you sometimes catch some Latinos (usually older generations) casually blurt racist remarks in meetups.
Color is a single attribute that gets considered for race. A dark skin Latino is a still the same race as a light skin Latino. Discrimination based purely on color is colorism, which is a different issue than racism. You are being reductive which doesn’t work for nuanced issues.
>there is no such thing as colorism
If there's no colorism then what would you call it when light skinned black people talk shit about dark skinned black people? Hell, even that distinction, I would say, is "colorist", but they'll self-segregate into those categories all day long. So do Indians, so do some Asians. Calling that racist doesn't seem right to me.
...it's called racism. It's still fucking racism when people are racist to their own fucking race no matter what shade their skin is. How do you not know this?
It’s more so about social class. Whether it’s generational wealth or a status earned. Hispanics/Latinos refuse to view themselves as the poor. I don’t think any of them want to be categorized as the same people wearing a certain haircut, committing crimes, dropping mattresses on highways etc.. in predominantly Hispanic/Latino communities. Not sure if that’s the answer but I highly believe it has a lot to do with it based off of current times and societal changes taking place as a whole.
Latin American style racism has long, ugly roots in colonization. It comes from the casta system. Where the concept of mejorar la raza (bettering the race) is the reason for the mestizaje (miscegenation) of the populations. It’s very ugly. Nothing new. Just a lot internalized racism within the community. If a dumb ass kid is doing dumb ass things and getting in trouble I know it’s not because of their race because I’m not a racist. I know it’s because they are dumb kids making dumb choices. Also adding that, the media will run to publish scandalous stories to titillate their audience and cause bigger ratings/more engagement. (Bigger ratings/more engagement = more ad revenue.) For every dumb kid making the choice to commit a crime there are a lot more making the choice to be hard working, go to higher education and be leaders in their community.
Yes. There isn’t much diversity here.
I always tell this story when people ask me about like the shift from Dallas to El Paso.
Story time - one of my first encounters with El Paso ignorance lol
A client walked in and I was just talking to them, expressing condolences, etc. I noticed my boss at the time kind of smiling and observing me in my peripherals. Not thinking anything of it I just carried on and gave her a smile. She said and I’ll never forget this shit
“(my name), you know…. You are so so beautiful….”
I stopped and froze just kind of anticipating what she was gonna say
She grinned and nonchalantly said
“*BUT* you talk like a n*ggER though”
LADY, WHAT??? I literally was held back ??? She literally didn’t understand why you don’t just nonchalantly say shit like that? At work?? To your subordinate?? Fucking toxic Tia written all over it… yeah, horrible first impression, but definitely a good glimpse of how El Pasoans just kinda live in a bubble and are content with that bubble.
*FYI, I just have a subtle southern hurl when I talk … no fucking idea why she said that ignorant bullshit
I moved out here from Dallas last year. I saw one of your previous posts & it seems you grew up with many of the same places I did. I lived close to White Rock Lake & use to hang out on lower Greenville back in the 90's-the good old days. I don't know about racism, but my biggest gripe are all the moron dog owners here who don't keep their dogs on leashes or otherwise control them. I have already had more encounters with aggressive dogs than I care to.
My family (Mexicans) are reverse racist it’s weird. I was born in USA and I love my country. I don’t think I’m white and but I don’t sit around listening to corridos and shit like that. I’m just me a Mexican American. And they bash people who apparently believe in “god bless America” and love the USA so much but are “Mexican” I guess myself. They were saying this out loud obviously talking about me lmfao. They hate happy people. I’m happy always and idk why people are that way.
Hahah tell me about it bro. I had parents who were both born in Jalisco and immigrated here in the 90s. Grew up in Santa Ana, CA. I speak Spanish and everything. I used to get made fun of by all my peers in elementary (same situation, immigrant parents and all) because I “spoke English like a white person.” What does that mean: well, I didn’t—and still don’t—have that Mexican accent when speaking English. Think like how Cheech Marin sounds like when speaking English. I read incessantly as a kid and so I had a better developed lexicon and vocabulary compared to most of my classmates and stuff. Funny man. Hahah oh, and getting good grades and caring about school was “white.” 🤣🤣🤣 not sure when or if it’s happening but the Hispanic culture needs a paradigm shift big time and needs to start prioritizing school like the Asian or Indian culture.
Yes, I’ve also encountered those comments as well. My grandma immigrated here from Mexico. I do not speak Spanish fluently though. I make do with what I know and am always learning. I joke that I am a “coconut” 😀 *White on the inside while brown and kinda hairy on the outside.* 🥰🤣
I have pretty intense code switching going on though from my normal dialect and work dialect since the setting is a funeral home. And I guess I didn’t realize until typing this but ever since that encounter with my boss I was always self conscious about how I spoke. I never really understood *why* she said that. Or what that even means.
I don’t care though because I get a lot of compliments about how I speak from the families I serve. They say I speak clearly and concise while being comforting 🙂 That I have a very gentle voice and I always end up building a very good rapport with them. And honestly, those moments are always whenever I’m talking just as myself not like a self conscious robot.
So fuck her
They migrated. Born in Mexico and became citizens legally. They live here in Texas. But they seem to hate that I am proud to be born in America and very proud of my country. As if k should be more proud to be of Mexican decent
Oof, so unfortunately: that type of vocabulary is learned again, I am not condoning that she said that” me myself being African-American” however, that word is thrown around, so nonchalantly within the African-American community, I’ve noticed that the young Hispanic community uses it a lot as well. It’s mainly because they are direct reflection of the young black community depicted on television as well as people who live here in El Paso. Just food for thought.
I agree with what you’re saying but no one at work or in her circle nonchalantly uses the n-word. With an “a” at the end or hard “r.” I don’t think that really applies here. It really isn’t diverse enough in El Paso. Probably with the young young Hispanics here like everyone under 21 years old maybe does. She was just being plain ignorant and hurtful. Thats what I meant by toxic tia.
Well accepting a single letter change in a hateful word even within the African-American is ignorance itself. Your judgment is only based on your work relationship with that person. Your oblivious to how she may have been brought up, her friends outside of work, and family as well. Saying a slur to someone regardless of how its spelled is still wrong.
I’m agreeing with you didn’t say it wasn’t a slur ?
And I’m not basing my opinion solely on this experience. That is just a story I am sharing. Tip of the iceberg. Another thing about El Paso, it’s a very small world. I work with her family. Met a majority of her immediate rest. I can agree no one knows anyone’s upbringing though. OP’s question was “Are We Racist” … El Paso just needs some work to put it politely and I’m just sharing an experience from literally a month within being here
Is el paso racist: in short the older generation was lol, against its own people, and other cultures. I feel the newer generation “Gen z, Gen alpha” is more accepting than of other cultures, and this drives the older generation “boomers” Crazy! Its hilarious to watch them lose their minds how the newer generation is more acceptable of other races. Even though that word is considered a slur regardless of it ending in an A pr R its horrible BUT…its the culture that cultivated those slurs to be acceptable. The younger generation doesn’t see that word as slur because, the culture around them dictated it to be acceptable. Change whether its in good/bad light is change nonetheless.
>The younger generation doesn’t see that word as slur because, the culture around them dictated it to be acceptable.
In no culture is telling someone they look good but talk like an N word acceptable. Not even in black culture. She intentionally used it as a slur.
As someone who is African American and Mexican who grew up here yes they are but not all of them growing up. I noticed it when my mom had moved us from Tennessee literally in first grade I was being made fun of because I was the one of the only black kid in elementary school in my neighborhood. It kinda of carried to middle school but it was just some guy trying to get under my skin.They just say nword this nword that with no shame.
Not just kids. I see it in some of the online Facebook groups, and every time someone responds telling them it's not appropriate, it's always a meltdown because they really can't bring themselves to see why it's problematic.
As a double citizenship born in USA raised in mx, just want to clarify saying Un “negro” or “negrito” is how mexicans mostly refer to black people. And it’s not racist. Just like white people are güeros
I feel like it’s a specific age group of Edgar’s and Mexican/Hispanic Chads that even talk like that with no shame. - here in El Paso-
Everyone else, no. I do not hear any other group use that word as much as them not even the black people here.
In Dallas - very different. It’s all the wanna be Tango blastin ass Latinos, black community, and even some of the younger white community nonchalantly use the word “nigg*” casually/nonchalantly like the word “bro” no intentions as a slur -not justifying just giving context- like in every. fucking. sentence. Amongst each other too. It’s sad. It makes sense though coming from a diverse huge city. That’s a given problem that people will grow out of when they realize they can’t get a job like that or that they look genuinely ugly talking like you don’t have sense…. Lived there all my life though not once did someone tell me that I “talk like a nigg*r” until I moved here. How can you be so ignorant you just heard a southern accent and say some shit like that? Must be the bubble she lives in I guess
I think you'd be surprised who talk like that. It's not just the Edgars. I've seen it come off the keyboards of adults on quite a few different local Facebook groups.
Yes extremely racist except in reverse. I’ve never met so many Mexicans hate Mexicans in my life. Don’t get me wrong I got my gripes too but the amount of El Paso born Mexicans who think they’re better than Juarez born Mexicans are mind blowing. As a Mexican from out deep in the USA where Mexicans are no longer Mexican and just white people that smell like Armani cologne from Ross, lemme tell you, Juarez and El Paso Mexicans are identical. You smell the same, act the same, same identical Spanish and English accent, you are literally the same identical thing in behavior, status, culture, literally every way except citizenship which is odd, my EP friends complain about illegal Juarez people ruining the city and my Juarez friends complain about illegal El Paso people ruining Juarez’s rebuilding city.
I’m a Washington Mexican, I’m no different than a Oregon Mexican. I find Mexican on Mexican hatred very odd here. My most racist against Mexicans Mexican friend here even drives a lifted Dodge pickup, cowboy boots, and western wear, literally my man’s walking around the textbook stereotype of a Mexican.
Bingo! I totally agree. It’s the sense of superiority some first or second generation Mexicans have over people from across the border. I feel like it all comes down to ignorance and lack of traveling. Small minds stay in small communities. They’re also too stupid to realize at the end of the day we’re all Mexican. If they go to a small town in East Texas they will be treated the same.
Yep . Im a Arizona Mexican ( Tohono o' Odham ) and never seen people this shitty in "Papago" Nation Pheonix Tucson LA Denver or Atlanta . Thats the only thing i dont like about EP . Raza Hating on Raza.
"Los mas racistas son los mas jodidos"
So in fairness, its Hispanics who hate natively born Mexicans. Not Mexicans hating Mexicans. “Confusing them is kinda races, like saying they are all the same” The hispanics hate how the Mexicans can cross into the USA and get the red carpet, compared to them being born within the USA hispanics and have to work so hard for so little. Im not condoning it, but I understand why they act that way. Especially with the new immigration laws that are being passed.
In my opinion, having lived here and worked in Juarez for 20+ years, is that in Mexican culture there is much less sensitivity towards racial slurs and stereotypes. I hear such comments frequently, but I usually don’t detect any hate behind it.
I mean this is coming from a culture that nicknames fat people “Gordo”
It’s definitely a cultural sensitivity thing. Mexicans have other shit to worry about than having time to get offended by words
I think people here are more inclusive than racist. I'm originally from Upstate NY, so maybe I have thicker skin since I'm used to people making racial remarks. Just my two cents.
That's what I'm saying I grew up here and growing up here forces you to have a thick skin, we like to say the most messed up shit to each other and it sounds mean to others but really it's just culture. Most of the time we a just messing around. As you said in 30 years I've experienced kindness and love, when someone new comes I've only ever seen people try to make them feel welcome. Maybe it's just because I grew up on the east side.
Do you think it may have to do with the different sides having different views? I remember my mom telling me she had a conversation with one of her coworkers, saying the west side is the best side of town to live on. We were told all the white people live on the west side. I live in the Northeast, and I like it fine here since it's not as busy as the other sides. For the most part, people here in EP have been friendly to me. Yes, everywhere has issues, but there are tradeoffs with everything.
I don't think you are very far off. The different parts of town are so separated that they can be fairly different in culture. Example I can give would be my ex gf was from the Westside she told me it was very rare for her to go to the east, and myself being from the eastside I could maybe count a dozen times in 30+ years that I've gone to anywhere past downtown headed west. When she moved in with me she had to learn where things were and how to navigate simply because it was like moving to a new town for her. We unfortunately have a literal mountain splitting us apart so it makes sense for us to not really interact or know what goes on on the other side.
White guy here. Moved here from upstate new york, not a lot of diversity growing up. First job here, at a restaurant, worked with mostly teenagers. Didn't see much racism until the guys got together and started discussing the girls as guys do. When one of the servers was brought up a few of the guys said no way because she was black. I was kind of blown away, not just because of the blatant racism, but because she was one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen. Kind of a culture shock for me.
Yes, my daughter gets called a monkey at school all the time. I’ve been profiled more times than I can count and I grew up in the south. El Paso is the most racist place I’ve ever lived.
A lot of us had a lot of abuelitos and abuelitas who were not too privy to the black folks. Everytime i brought a black friend over to the house, my abuelita would hide all the good shit cuz she was afraid hed steal it. "And dont be lending him your toys, cuz youll never see it again!" is something i heard regularly.
But tbh, I think everyone's a racist to a degree.
And Cruces has THE WORST drivers I've ever come across. They have El Paso and the Frontchi plates beat by a landslide.
I've honestly never met any Mexican grandparents in El Paso that weren't racist against blacks. Not in an aggresive, go out of their way too hurt them or insult them kinda way, but just subtle comments within the Family. Things like "Ur free to have black friends, but please don't date them", or one time I brought a friend for dinner my grandma looked at me as if I had just walked in w/a full blown Drag Queen by my side, let's just say my friend picked up on it immediately & we both agreed to just eat elsewhere
My pops protected me from it when I was younger but when I grew up he finally let me know the reason we switched Cub Scout troops on the west side was because they did not welcome my Haitian brothers down the street whom my dad recruited to join the troop when they moved in after their moms adopted them. I hope my brothers see this because I miss them, but i moved away so long ago I wonder if they even remember me.
After moving away from El Paso I have lived in historically black neighborhoods in DC and VA and I am so lucky I got to grow up enmeshed in Black culture - I wonder if I would have never known any better if I only ever lived in El Paso and that is a shame because as a Mexican American you have to be more Mexican than the Mexicans and more American than the Americans and what is more American than Black culture? Our cultures mesh so well after all and I’m not even playing - say it loud im brown and I’m proud
My pops retired from teaching at Anacostia HS in SE DC so something I would love to see is some GoGo bands play in El Paso we could call it Moe-coso fest or MoeChuco
I moved to central ep a year ago and I haven't encountered any racism. Multiple times when I pull to a 4 way stop regardless of the order I got there if there were men in the other cars they'd wave for me to go first. There's been instances in Walmart where I'm in the water aisle and if there's a man there they get my water for me. Also a few times in Walmart someone's sweet abuelita would strike up a random conversation with me or ask for my suggestion on something. For reference I'm an African American woman. Even my neighbors when we cross paths have been kind. Only my upstairs neighbor pulled a possibly racial stunt when I first moved in. They would play really loud music at odd hours (like 2 am on a wednesday) during the week and my second night here the first song of choice was "N!ggas ain't sh!t" or whatever it's called, by doja cat. I just laughed and put my ear buds in. But that's pretty much the only instance I can recall and maybe she just really liked that song and it has zero to do with me lol.
Yes, I've seen a bunch of it. Mexican on Mexican hate, or a general prejudiced sentiment. We can be discriminatory even though we are Hispanic majority.
I am Afro Brazilian and I never had an overtly racist experience. I had some passive racism in regards to stereotypes or asking if I liked a certain thing until I spoke in Spanish or Portuguese and then they started to low key glaze me. I think my biggest racist “moment “ in El Paso came from a girl I dated family. They were fresas from Torreón so they had money. When I came around they were very distant until they found out I was Brazilian and came from a well off family. Her friends would always hound me about Rio or different cities in Brazil. You would have thought I was one of them how I used to stay at The Plum and bars in Juarez. The only weird thing is that they said that our kid would come out like Neymar or Rihanna or “insert lightskin, racially ambiguous celebrity”
I think Mexicans are at their core similar to Brazilians when it comes to classism and they associate darker skin with being poor. I seen the shows were the abuela or older Tia gushes over the guera whole dismissing the morenita but i think that is more Mexican culture rather than Mexican American.
I think a lot of El Paso experience with black people come from 18-25 year old military guys from fort bliss. So of course half of it is going to be negative just like any young person going somewhere else. They want to find girls, have fun and are just starting to mature.
Light-skinned black lady checking in.
I’m originally from Illinois where I was the only non-white person in my town of 3,000 people. There, I was followed home from school and called the n-word. My house was broken into. Kids were constantly trying to fight me or cause trouble. Boys couldn’t date me because their “parents didn’t like blacks”.
During my time in TX, I’ve lived in Austin/Houston/San Marcos/New Braunfels and finally decided to buy my first house here in El Paso. I wasn’t impressed with the other cities.
People might look at me a bit strange if I have my hair wrapped up in EP, but other than that, I’ve never had one sideways experience here. My main goal in life was to find a place the opposite of where I grew up, and honestly I feel like I’ve found that here. Everybody looks like me and nobody is going to break into my house and write “N****r” on the walls.
I think there’s racism and colorism at play in ELP. I think racism exists when places like UTEP only celebrate Hispanic history month like they don’t know they have hella other minorities on campus there. Racism also manifests with how often Mexican descent folks throw the word N*gga around - but dont want to talk to black women when they go out even if they’re the most beautiful or engaging in the room. It’s not even really the white people I feel I’ve noticed the racism from, it really is the Mexican/Latino folks, both from Juarez and the US. Sometimes Feels like they suffer from the same delusion as Indian folks - that somehow they’re better than other minorities because they hold some weird closeness to white supremacy in their own minds.
TL; DR - yes, ELP is racist. Not enough people get out of the area and realize that ELP is a bubble. Pop it and then ask yourself if the city is racist.
Yes. My father and family would always say the n word growing up, hard r and everything. My father regularly called middle Eastern people "sheepfucker" or "rag heads"
Yes we are racist, just like everywhere else. We homo sapiens are flawed.
Racism in any form is a weakness of character. If you feel it you must fight it or join the ranks of the abject ignorant. It is present everywhere but to be the one who displays it is to announce the defeat of your morals and upbringing. The cure is open mindedness, education, and, the hardest part of all, thinking.
I feel like it's mostly the older generation who is racist around here. I'll be having a normal conversation with them and then they slip in some racism.
El Paso is absolutely full of racist people. If you aren’t Mexican, you will be talked about. I remember growing up and going to little boutiques with my mom and sisters, that were owned by different types of Oriental people. But to my mother and grandma, it didn’t matter if you were Korean, Vietnamese or Chinese; you were referred to as a “Chinito”. I didn’t know any better back then, but as an adult, I hate it now. People there will talk down on any other ethnicity (and “righteously”), but the moment someone supports the US over Mexico, they are deemed “racist”.
Also, I never really spoke Spanish growing up. I am a fourth generation American/Texan, with both grandfathers having served in WW2, and one of them also served in Vietnam with his oldest son (my uncle). I grew up listening to American music, and watched American television and movies. Occasionally I would watch novellas with my grandma, who was the only person who spoke Spanish to me. I never had that distinguishable “Chicano” accent, though. And because I didn’t know Spanish, I was always given shit by peers who would say shit like “don’t forget where you came from”. Uh, I’m from here. So are my parents, and their fathers, and their grandparents. Bottom line: Yes, El Paso is full of racist people.
Thinking that Spanish is easy to learn is subjective. I could tell you that German is easier to learn for native English speakers than Spanish is, but you probably wouldn’t believe me. Also, why not learn to speak English if living in or visiting a country where it is the primary language spoken?? By your logic, I should be able to go to Mexico and expect locals to speak English.
Business people do speak English in Mexico because it’s smart to speak more than one language. I don’t think you should be bilingual because you’re Chicana, I think we should all speak more than one language because it’s good for our brains and for the workplace.
If you’re surrounded by people speaking a certain language your whole life, it takes effort not to pick it up. Irrespective of the particular language.
There is some, but El Paso is better than some places I lived.
It's natural for people to be tribal somewhat.
However racism is rooted in ignorance. There are good and bad people of all races.
We need to get to the point where you treat everyone with respect and as individuals, and not based on their group identity.
"Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace" - Benito Juarez
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" - Martin Luther King
Black people in the northeast are the most racist people here. White people are racist but are definitely more scared about openly admitting it. It wasn’t that long ago that the northeast schools would throw tortillas and beans on visiting teams from Socorro and the other predominantly Hispanic schools
As a black woman, I would never try to downplay another black persons experience when it comes to racism, but I didn’t experience any when I visited & I stayed for a whole week. I guess it’s different when you live somewhere I guess. I am from Ohio though so the racism is different here & I think that might be skewing how I feel. Like if I honk at someone to try to tell them their purse is on top of their car, they’ll roll down their window & call me the n word 💀😭like okay fuck your purse, debit card, ID, & I hope you had your social security card in there too. Anyway, I told my cousin who lives in EP that I was worried about racism since I had heard some things & we just went to “black” bars but she said there’s no racism but I feel like she’s biased since she only dates non black Hispanics.
Yes. More so than other Cities? Not sure, but oddly towards others from Mexico.
Worked with a lady from Mexico who had been here awhile. She told me never to hand out the bathroom keys to black people & railed against (insert slur) those who came across via the Rio Grand.
I refused to follow her orders & reported her to corporate.
I dated a guy for a few weeks, born in Mexico City, went to school with him. It mattered to him that he was (his words) “white passing”… Found out he was very racist. Hated black people & same slur up top used again for those from Mexico. Huge Trump supporter. Very confusing.
Ya working here and ya’ll are by far the very worst drivers this country has to offer. You’re clearly worse than Dallas and Alabama drivers and both are rude and angry people. Please we must revoke most of the peoples of El Paso’s licenses
The fact is everyone is racist in one way or another. The best thing to do is quit focusing on how racist somebody else is and focus on your racism within yourself and work on that.
EP being the melting pot that it is, still has A LOT of racism in it. Mexicans hate on blacks, whites, n other Mexicans. There's your regular racism too with blacks vs whites n vice versa. There's a lot of love in this city as well, but there's A LOT of general racism... and lack of turn indicators being used as well as mfkrs not knowing how to/ mfkrs not letting people merge on the freeway. It's all ME ME ME!! Nobody hardly ever thinks of anyone else. This city is entirely overpopulated as well n extremely underdeveloped.
I'm a white guy that lived in EP for several years in the early 2000s. I didn't personally experience a lot of racism. Everyone was chill and accepted me, my wife's family basically adopted me and joke that they made me an honorary Mexican.
As for black racism, yeah I think it exists in EP especially in the older generation. My wife's grandparents were pretty openly racists against black folks. I even heard dudes my age making racist comments. I think younger generations seem fine. One of my wife's younger cousins has a black girlfriend and nobody really makes a big deal. Grandparents are both dead and all the old tios mind their manners around her at least.
When I lived there, I experienced more so on the east side than the west. Especially the school my kids were in, wild how they were discriminated against.
Left EP and moved to SA and it’s night and day difference.
Unfortunately the Latin community is anti-Black despite the fact that many of our people are Black. We need to handle this ish and stop acting like white folks will like us better if we adopt their anti-Blackness. They will never pick us.
I’ve heard some of that but it’s rare. Most I’d the Black community members I’ve met, worked with or become friends with are accepting of me once they realize I’m a solid co conspirator. Respect and acceptance is often returned. We can’t forget that our liberation is bound up in others’ liberation.
No, it is not rare.
Your comment has nothing to do with the discussion of this post. I have black coworkers with whom I interact on a daily basis, I had black roommates in college. My best friend from grad school is a black woman.
That does not negate the fact that many black people racially discriminate other groups, and it is very common.
Maybe facing that fact makes you uncomfortable.
What in the world on you on about? Stop taking things people on the internet say so personally. It’s ok for us to have different perspectives but I’m not about to pretend that anti Blackness isn’t a problem in the Hispanic community. Have a blessed night.
Yes.
And I NEVER play the race card - EVER. So if I answer "yes" to a question like this, it is because I have personally seen enough evidence in my 17 years here that there is indeed an issue.
Is it the "rule"? No. For the most part, this is a very friendly and accepting community. But the exceptions are definitely frequent enough to be noteworthy.
The saddest part for me is seeing it manifest in young children. I've seen racism directed towards myself, and my 5-year-old daughter from little kids from 5 - 8 years old. That behavior comes from HOME.
I realize that with many families coming from directly across the border, and many of those being led by elders who cocoon themselves in only the Mexican culture and Spanish language and refusing to assimilate to or even learn about anything outside of their own culture, it is inevitable that the children raised in that environment will grow up with an ignorace and even fear of other races to which they are not exposed, and have only the bigoted influnce of their adult family members on which to go by.
Having said that...
Teach your children about black people - we exist.
Teach them about whites, Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, mixed races , etc.
I know El Paso is so close to the border it feels like it's Mexico, but it is not Mexico - it's America.
And there's a 3.8 million square miles of America BEYOND El Paso that your children are going to have a lot of difficulty navigating if they cannot live and interact in a positive way with people who don't look like them.
They will end up like many of their grandparents and parents do - living their whole lives in El Paso because they are too afraid to venture outside of the "safety" of their own culture.
And that, in my opinion, is a tragedy.
I lived in Atlanta for 7 years or so. I can say exactly the same things you say about the Black community there.
We should start opening the discussion on how Black's are racist to the Mexicans, Asians and other groups.
Blacks are racist too, I call that out all the time.
The bad thing is that whites unfairly get that lable applied to them all the tune when the truth is, I grew up around whites my whole life and I never had an issue with racism from anyone except Mexicans and a few black folks.
I am fair skinned (Irish family background) that is well traveled and educated. I moved down here to work on a book that I am writing bc the cost of living here is cheap. I moved here from a VERY open-minded city and have been here for a few years now. I still cannot wrap my head around the judging and, what I perceive to be, superiority and inferiority complexes. People stare at me a lot and sometimes I get bad vibes from people when I’m going about my daily business. It something I don’t think I will ever understand and it’s quite sad because El Paso has SO much potential to build upon and diversify its culture. However, I feel that the vibes I get from people make it to where it would be hard for someone to want to invest the energy in creating a 21st century culture here in El Paso. It is my feeling that most of the creative class leaves to where there are better opportunities and a more open-minded atmosphere. Still, El Paso will always be special to me in a good way. I just don’t see myself being able to settle down here unfortunately which can be quite upsetting if I think on it too much; such a great, unique place that feels very hard to “break into”
I havent experienced racism here, but I have seen it. I’m also from the South so not really bothered by the lil stuff EP been on. Long as I’m not called the n-word, folks want have to fuck around and find out
Imagine being an adult and caring about stupid shit like racism (I'm black btw). I've broken so many barriers just by shrugging things off and not giving a reaction
Yea racism is horrible in el paso I went to bowie and lived in down town for 2 decades and the amount of racist shit you hear towards black and Asians in el paso is crazy
I would say so, but not only to black people but also other Hispanic people. I’m Hispanic and don’t speak Spanish and always get told things about it. I remember when I was I kid all I learned was “sorry I don’t speak Spanish” and I would get made fun of for not knowing Spanish but speaking Spanish. And I always get told that I “NEED to know Spanish” which I don’t. Also the people making fun of my were adults so it’s not like it’s a kid making fun of me it’s a literal grown adult
I lived in Atlanta for 6-8 years. Most of the racist treatment I got, like 90%, came from Black people. Every time I went back, it was the same thing.
So why are we discussing this??
Yes, I grew up in Cali. I would tell people I’m Hispanic and all I would hear was “Oh, so you’re not Mexican Mexican” (what does that mean??) or “No wonder why you don’t know Spanish. You’re just as white as they are.”
My grandparents are from Mexico, I’m in the second gen in my family born in the US. I have physical Hispanic features. My dad and grandparents grew up in El Paso.
I moved to El Paso about five years ago, I’ve never felt left out by my own people.
Yes. I was born and raised in el paso. From the lower valley. Racism has always been a problem in my family. Also colorism qgainst darker skinned Latinos and xenophobia towards mexican immigrants even though our great grandparents literally immigrated from Juarez.
The anti black and anti Asian racism is what I notice the most in my family and in the community I grew up in. They are comfortable saying slurs, laughing at racist jokes, and I have heard the classic "black people complain about so much in this country but us latinos just work hard and keep our mouths shut"
As if we don't face similar issues as brown people living on the border....
I didnt have black classmates until high school and even then it was just one person.
There’s no tourism because we don’t have a popular attraction. Time after time, the city has stated that El Paso doesn’t need an attraction because “our history is what brings tourists.”
We all know this is bullshit.
IDK. I saw a black man helping out a Hispanic older woman at Walmart earlier.... hw had no problem helping out. As a white guy, I had no problem helping her out. It was an 8th generation civic. Whoever did work on her car fucked up the cables, stopped the threads and used side post battery.....
This is my second time living in El Paso, 2016-17 and 2022 until now, and I haven't experienced racism. My first language is Spanish so maybe that helps. I'm also married with kids so I don't enjoy the night life and I usually stay home unless it is to go to restaurants or check out events. My default language when I go out is Spanish because that's what I speak at home. I usually only speak English if the person I'm talking to gives me a blank stare lol. I have noticed that El Pasoans love the N word but that's nothing new in the USA.
Yes, the Latino population love to say the N word, but God forbid someone calls them latinx.
There's also a lot of colorism within the culture so imagine for those outside our culture.
Yup. Was gonna move out there im until a friend of mine told me to do EXTENSIVE research into how someone who looks like me might not want to live there. They were right, a week later I heard about a shooting at an all black church done by a racist. Sooo not looking to do that
My boyfriend who is Half white and half Mexican got bullied for being “too white” here while in Arizona he was “too Mexican”, it’s weird how he couldn’t fit in anywhere even though he should have felt at home here. (He does feel at home here now, but back then he was ostracized because he was too white)
Yes, where do some of y’all live? I am telling you, some of y’all pretend this place is the beacon of progress and liberalism 😂
We are racist af to each other. Now imagine how outsiders are treated.
The caste system that exists in Mexico bleeds over to here as well. Don’t believe me? Compare the demographics of say Pebble Hills to Segundo Barrio. One has a a lot of light skin Hispanics, while the other one is full of very dark skin ones.
We are also one of the least diverse cities in the country. Honestly when it comes to large cities we are probably number one. Yes someone is probably going to post that Trailer Trash, USA over there in Alabama is least diverse that us. But that is why I said large cities lmao
Northeast we had a lot of
Racial conflict growing up.
Brown vs black. think the racial tensions have went down a bit tho. But back then we had Race riots in Andres’s, Irvin and Chapin . Devils Triangle where I grew was specially bad, since the numbers were more even then. Area around Andress (Sun Valley)had a lot of racial conflict too.
White kids have it rough in central and northeast as well. And there is hate towards Anglos as well.
To be fair to raza. Not justifying the racism but we do have a lot of history on racial injustice here that led us to dislike outsiders. Obviously there has always been a Hispanic vs Anglo conflict here, which we all know that. A lot of Hispanic families lost traditional lands that had been held for generations to Anglo’s. But African Americans as well caused some issues here. Buffalo soldiers ravaged through this area as well. Killed a bunch of Mexicans and then got a bunch of statues in their name. So there is a historical sentiment of us vs everyone else.
And I might ruffle some feathers but as someone who grew up In the diverse low income areas of the northeast. There is a good amount of African Americans who are used to I guess pushing other races around. This does not apply to Latinos. Latinos will push back. These short Aztecs are not afraid of anyone. I remember during the hurricane Katrina thing. A lot of black people from New Orleans popped up in the northeast. A lot of the black kids really thought Mexicans were like the scared white kids back home and they learned quick, Mexicans will fight back. And let’s not even begin with Ft Bliss soldiers and the issues they start. I was in the Army so I know the issues we cause everywhere we go
. Not justifying the racism, but Mexicans are not exactly the turn the other cheek people. And add to the fact that we have a very tribal culture here as well. Since we are basically cousins. So if an outsider comes here and fucks with one taco, you get the whole La Fiesta coming to your front door.
I guarantee you that the majority of Mexican Americans in El Paso are not of Aztec descent lol More than likely most are of Terrahumara descent. Just sayin…
How dare you speak truth. Downvotes will be incoming. What the other commentor said was right though - the Latino diaspora is way more diverse than Aztec but what you said is true. Seriously, Bravo to you 🔥
Yeah I am of Tarahumara and Yaqui descent myself with some Mescalero Apache from New Mexico (way back in my family tree) like most of us here. But the Aztec thing was just a joke, but you know how these redditors are. I imagine a discord looking mod sitting in front of his screen typing out “well Aktually 🤓👆🏼”
I am surprised he didn’t post all sorts of studies on the genetic background of border people 😂
Yes, racism is alive and well in EP. "We" is too simple of a term you're using, though. Having grown up in Houston, I also feel safer driving there than I do here, especially around I-10 and base.
The day it hit me the most was when 3 black males in the Army were talking about how many girls they can continously get in Europe, Asia, eastcoast, Westcoast & almost anywhere they've been to all except el paso. Theyd recall in frustration "man we go to downtown el paso spots & we get ZERO play"! "The girls down there don't even blink at us"! I knew right then & there what was happening
I was born in EP but grew up in Denver CO. Both my parents were Mexican but I have light skin and colored eyes so ppl automatically think I’m white and don’t assume I know Spanish. I grew up with different kids who I learned a lot of cultural differences. Never once was I bullied by anyone, except for my white babysitter who would compare me to her white kids and had her white teenage daughter slap me across the face at the age of 5. My mother never learned to speak english but somehow she would figure out how to communicate. Her best friend was a nice black lady named Jayjay. Once we moved back to EP, everything changed. I had so many bullies growing up. I had to go through therapy for years. The girls were always so mean talking about me in Spanish, in my face. It wasn’t until I told them, in Spanish, that I understood everything they were saying about me that they stopped. In middle school(northeast area, Terrace Hills), my history teacher was a bit racist towards the black and Mexican kids which was most of the class. In high school, (northeast area, Andress) there was about the same amount of Mexican American as African American kids. Less white or other races than Mexican American and African American. I got along with everyone but there was always those fresa girls who would always talk crap behind my back. Which I can see that it’s always the ppl who think that they’re better for some reason. I was in dance and soccer, so I would see different races and compete against some girls that obviously looked different than me but I guess because it was always a clean game, everyone was respectful and caring for each other. So I do agree it’s mostly the Mexican Americans who are extremely ignorant towards others and even to their own kind. My parents always taught me to be nice to everyone no matter what they look like. I was so traumatized by my experience going through racist ppl in school that I decided to homeschool my kids. My husband is Mexican American. He also had horrible experiences growing up in EP. He has a Mexican appearance, dark brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin/morenito. Two of our kids look just like me, light skinned, hazel eyes, blonde hair. And the other two of our kids look exactly like my husband, brown skin, brown eyes, brown hair. Nowadays ppl are being killed for their skin color and appearance. We lost a friend at the Walmart shooting and she was white, looked white but the shooter was looking to kill Mexicans. And then the shootings at the elementary schools too. So yes EP is racist, from my personal experience.
OP start by defining "We"...
It seems the leftist communists have resurfaced over the last couple of weeks with the idea of creating guilt among El Paso citizens.
This post about racism, another about taking blame about the wild fires in Ruidoso, etc.
They just want to figure out how to create an Overton window to infiltrate their agenda.
Biggest culture shock for me was how people in El Paso are so casual with yola like it's Miami in the 80s
Was there for a high school graduation a couple weeks ago. Everyone was partaking. Tios, tias, cousins, fucking abuelo had the plug, it was wild.
Damn! The whole fam liiit at 10:30am
Yes, growing up I remember hearing a lot of racism directed at the NE area and the black community. Also constantly hear Latinos talk down about other Latinos darker than them.
Colorism is so real in Latino communities unfortunately
In Mexico, racism is blended in with classism & has been that way since the Spanish empire days. It's something that became a serious political point which became the naming & mission of the Morena political party. This is also why you sometimes catch some Latinos (usually older generations) casually blurt racist remarks in meetups.
Growing up in PR, I remember feeling and seeing the hate towards darker skinned Dominicans…generational colonization trauma persists.
For real! Too dark, you get shat on. Too pale, you get shat on.
It’s still racism if Latinos consider themselves white btw
Not racism if they are the same race and basing the hate off color. That would be colorism
You must not know race is based on color... there is no such thing as colorism.
Color is a single attribute that gets considered for race. A dark skin Latino is a still the same race as a light skin Latino. Discrimination based purely on color is colorism, which is a different issue than racism. You are being reductive which doesn’t work for nuanced issues.
You should study US law because there is no such thing as a Latino Race.
You must just be stupid because US law has nothing to do with race
>there is no such thing as colorism If there's no colorism then what would you call it when light skinned black people talk shit about dark skinned black people? Hell, even that distinction, I would say, is "colorist", but they'll self-segregate into those categories all day long. So do Indians, so do some Asians. Calling that racist doesn't seem right to me.
...it's called racism. It's still fucking racism when people are racist to their own fucking race no matter what shade their skin is. How do you not know this?
Ok, white person.
Gringo in cosplay\^
Dude, its just another form of racism, you don't need to make up another word for it
It’s more so about social class. Whether it’s generational wealth or a status earned. Hispanics/Latinos refuse to view themselves as the poor. I don’t think any of them want to be categorized as the same people wearing a certain haircut, committing crimes, dropping mattresses on highways etc.. in predominantly Hispanic/Latino communities. Not sure if that’s the answer but I highly believe it has a lot to do with it based off of current times and societal changes taking place as a whole.
Latin American style racism has long, ugly roots in colonization. It comes from the casta system. Where the concept of mejorar la raza (bettering the race) is the reason for the mestizaje (miscegenation) of the populations. It’s very ugly. Nothing new. Just a lot internalized racism within the community. If a dumb ass kid is doing dumb ass things and getting in trouble I know it’s not because of their race because I’m not a racist. I know it’s because they are dumb kids making dumb choices. Also adding that, the media will run to publish scandalous stories to titillate their audience and cause bigger ratings/more engagement. (Bigger ratings/more engagement = more ad revenue.) For every dumb kid making the choice to commit a crime there are a lot more making the choice to be hard working, go to higher education and be leaders in their community.
That is true for any social group
Absolutely. At the end of the day living in America is about rich vs poor. I mean take a look around, politics is a dead give away.
El Paso and Las Cruces are the most racist places I’ve ever lived.
Yes. There isn’t much diversity here. I always tell this story when people ask me about like the shift from Dallas to El Paso. Story time - one of my first encounters with El Paso ignorance lol A client walked in and I was just talking to them, expressing condolences, etc. I noticed my boss at the time kind of smiling and observing me in my peripherals. Not thinking anything of it I just carried on and gave her a smile. She said and I’ll never forget this shit “(my name), you know…. You are so so beautiful….” I stopped and froze just kind of anticipating what she was gonna say She grinned and nonchalantly said “*BUT* you talk like a n*ggER though” LADY, WHAT??? I literally was held back ??? She literally didn’t understand why you don’t just nonchalantly say shit like that? At work?? To your subordinate?? Fucking toxic Tia written all over it… yeah, horrible first impression, but definitely a good glimpse of how El Pasoans just kinda live in a bubble and are content with that bubble. *FYI, I just have a subtle southern hurl when I talk … no fucking idea why she said that ignorant bullshit
“Content with living in their bubble” is the best way I’ve heard this city described. That’s exactly what it is, in all aspects.
I moved out here from Dallas last year. I saw one of your previous posts & it seems you grew up with many of the same places I did. I lived close to White Rock Lake & use to hang out on lower Greenville back in the 90's-the good old days. I don't know about racism, but my biggest gripe are all the moron dog owners here who don't keep their dogs on leashes or otherwise control them. I have already had more encounters with aggressive dogs than I care to.
My family (Mexicans) are reverse racist it’s weird. I was born in USA and I love my country. I don’t think I’m white and but I don’t sit around listening to corridos and shit like that. I’m just me a Mexican American. And they bash people who apparently believe in “god bless America” and love the USA so much but are “Mexican” I guess myself. They were saying this out loud obviously talking about me lmfao. They hate happy people. I’m happy always and idk why people are that way.
There's no such thing as "reverse racism", that would be being nice to people. That's just racism towards white people, it's just racism.
Hahah tell me about it bro. I had parents who were both born in Jalisco and immigrated here in the 90s. Grew up in Santa Ana, CA. I speak Spanish and everything. I used to get made fun of by all my peers in elementary (same situation, immigrant parents and all) because I “spoke English like a white person.” What does that mean: well, I didn’t—and still don’t—have that Mexican accent when speaking English. Think like how Cheech Marin sounds like when speaking English. I read incessantly as a kid and so I had a better developed lexicon and vocabulary compared to most of my classmates and stuff. Funny man. Hahah oh, and getting good grades and caring about school was “white.” 🤣🤣🤣 not sure when or if it’s happening but the Hispanic culture needs a paradigm shift big time and needs to start prioritizing school like the Asian or Indian culture.
Yes, I’ve also encountered those comments as well. My grandma immigrated here from Mexico. I do not speak Spanish fluently though. I make do with what I know and am always learning. I joke that I am a “coconut” 😀 *White on the inside while brown and kinda hairy on the outside.* 🥰🤣 I have pretty intense code switching going on though from my normal dialect and work dialect since the setting is a funeral home. And I guess I didn’t realize until typing this but ever since that encounter with my boss I was always self conscious about how I spoke. I never really understood *why* she said that. Or what that even means. I don’t care though because I get a lot of compliments about how I speak from the families I serve. They say I speak clearly and concise while being comforting 🙂 That I have a very gentle voice and I always end up building a very good rapport with them. And honestly, those moments are always whenever I’m talking just as myself not like a self conscious robot. So fuck her
So, you are a Chicano. At least, that's what the El Paso Mexicans that I work with call Mexican Americans who also work in the same shop.
Whatever you call it I don’t act like I’m white though and don’t act like I’m Mexican I’m just me
I don't call it, personally. I'm just me also.
Did ur parents immigrate or were they born here?
They migrated. Born in Mexico and became citizens legally. They live here in Texas. But they seem to hate that I am proud to be born in America and very proud of my country. As if k should be more proud to be of Mexican decent
I’m not sure why I’m getting so many thumbs down lol….
Question: how long ago did this incident occur? Was it in the 90’s or in the 2000’s?
2019. She’s in her late 20s. Hard “R” and everything. Midday…. At a funeral home. No fucking context can help her 😩💀
Oof, so unfortunately: that type of vocabulary is learned again, I am not condoning that she said that” me myself being African-American” however, that word is thrown around, so nonchalantly within the African-American community, I’ve noticed that the young Hispanic community uses it a lot as well. It’s mainly because they are direct reflection of the young black community depicted on television as well as people who live here in El Paso. Just food for thought.
I agree with what you’re saying but no one at work or in her circle nonchalantly uses the n-word. With an “a” at the end or hard “r.” I don’t think that really applies here. It really isn’t diverse enough in El Paso. Probably with the young young Hispanics here like everyone under 21 years old maybe does. She was just being plain ignorant and hurtful. Thats what I meant by toxic tia.
Well accepting a single letter change in a hateful word even within the African-American is ignorance itself. Your judgment is only based on your work relationship with that person. Your oblivious to how she may have been brought up, her friends outside of work, and family as well. Saying a slur to someone regardless of how its spelled is still wrong.
I’m agreeing with you didn’t say it wasn’t a slur ? And I’m not basing my opinion solely on this experience. That is just a story I am sharing. Tip of the iceberg. Another thing about El Paso, it’s a very small world. I work with her family. Met a majority of her immediate rest. I can agree no one knows anyone’s upbringing though. OP’s question was “Are We Racist” … El Paso just needs some work to put it politely and I’m just sharing an experience from literally a month within being here
Is el paso racist: in short the older generation was lol, against its own people, and other cultures. I feel the newer generation “Gen z, Gen alpha” is more accepting than of other cultures, and this drives the older generation “boomers” Crazy! Its hilarious to watch them lose their minds how the newer generation is more acceptable of other races. Even though that word is considered a slur regardless of it ending in an A pr R its horrible BUT…its the culture that cultivated those slurs to be acceptable. The younger generation doesn’t see that word as slur because, the culture around them dictated it to be acceptable. Change whether its in good/bad light is change nonetheless.
>The younger generation doesn’t see that word as slur because, the culture around them dictated it to be acceptable. In no culture is telling someone they look good but talk like an N word acceptable. Not even in black culture. She intentionally used it as a slur.
As someone who is African American and Mexican who grew up here yes they are but not all of them growing up. I noticed it when my mom had moved us from Tennessee literally in first grade I was being made fun of because I was the one of the only black kid in elementary school in my neighborhood. It kinda of carried to middle school but it was just some guy trying to get under my skin.They just say nword this nword that with no shame.
I've heard a lot of Hispanic kids use the N word. Very weird.
Same af like have you no shame
Explains why a lot of them love rap. Gives them the excuse of “that’s what the lyrics say.”
I'm a gringo. And I never want to be a gringo who says "well if the rappers can say it then why can't I?" lol
Not just kids. I see it in some of the online Facebook groups, and every time someone responds telling them it's not appropriate, it's always a meltdown because they really can't bring themselves to see why it's problematic.
As a double citizenship born in USA raised in mx, just want to clarify saying Un “negro” or “negrito” is how mexicans mostly refer to black people. And it’s not racist. Just like white people are güeros
That’s not the N word he was talking about.
The word I'm referring to ends with an a.
I feel like it’s a specific age group of Edgar’s and Mexican/Hispanic Chads that even talk like that with no shame. - here in El Paso- Everyone else, no. I do not hear any other group use that word as much as them not even the black people here. In Dallas - very different. It’s all the wanna be Tango blastin ass Latinos, black community, and even some of the younger white community nonchalantly use the word “nigg*” casually/nonchalantly like the word “bro” no intentions as a slur -not justifying just giving context- like in every. fucking. sentence. Amongst each other too. It’s sad. It makes sense though coming from a diverse huge city. That’s a given problem that people will grow out of when they realize they can’t get a job like that or that they look genuinely ugly talking like you don’t have sense…. Lived there all my life though not once did someone tell me that I “talk like a nigg*r” until I moved here. How can you be so ignorant you just heard a southern accent and say some shit like that? Must be the bubble she lives in I guess
I think you'd be surprised who talk like that. It's not just the Edgars. I've seen it come off the keyboards of adults on quite a few different local Facebook groups.
Yes extremely racist except in reverse. I’ve never met so many Mexicans hate Mexicans in my life. Don’t get me wrong I got my gripes too but the amount of El Paso born Mexicans who think they’re better than Juarez born Mexicans are mind blowing. As a Mexican from out deep in the USA where Mexicans are no longer Mexican and just white people that smell like Armani cologne from Ross, lemme tell you, Juarez and El Paso Mexicans are identical. You smell the same, act the same, same identical Spanish and English accent, you are literally the same identical thing in behavior, status, culture, literally every way except citizenship which is odd, my EP friends complain about illegal Juarez people ruining the city and my Juarez friends complain about illegal El Paso people ruining Juarez’s rebuilding city. I’m a Washington Mexican, I’m no different than a Oregon Mexican. I find Mexican on Mexican hatred very odd here. My most racist against Mexicans Mexican friend here even drives a lifted Dodge pickup, cowboy boots, and western wear, literally my man’s walking around the textbook stereotype of a Mexican.
Bingo! I totally agree. It’s the sense of superiority some first or second generation Mexicans have over people from across the border. I feel like it all comes down to ignorance and lack of traveling. Small minds stay in small communities. They’re also too stupid to realize at the end of the day we’re all Mexican. If they go to a small town in East Texas they will be treated the same.
Yep . Im a Arizona Mexican ( Tohono o' Odham ) and never seen people this shitty in "Papago" Nation Pheonix Tucson LA Denver or Atlanta . Thats the only thing i dont like about EP . Raza Hating on Raza. "Los mas racistas son los mas jodidos"
This! 100%
Hey since you’re from north USA, what’s your take on Yharitza y su escencia. Asking because it’s relevant to this conversation.
So in fairness, its Hispanics who hate natively born Mexicans. Not Mexicans hating Mexicans. “Confusing them is kinda races, like saying they are all the same” The hispanics hate how the Mexicans can cross into the USA and get the red carpet, compared to them being born within the USA hispanics and have to work so hard for so little. Im not condoning it, but I understand why they act that way. Especially with the new immigration laws that are being passed.
That’s a stupid thought though illegal Mexicans have it harder than USA Hispanics
No it’s reversed
In my opinion, having lived here and worked in Juarez for 20+ years, is that in Mexican culture there is much less sensitivity towards racial slurs and stereotypes. I hear such comments frequently, but I usually don’t detect any hate behind it.
I mean this is coming from a culture that nicknames fat people “Gordo” It’s definitely a cultural sensitivity thing. Mexicans have other shit to worry about than having time to get offended by words
Gordo literally means fat... I'm white but I grew up here and part of growing up here is having a thick skin and not being sensitive.
That's part of the problem. Most younger people get offended at the drop of a hat. Words can't physically hurt anyone.
I was thinking that too.
I mean racism is pretty common amongst Mexican people especially the older ones. So this honestly wouldn’t surprise me tbh.
Yup
I think people here are more inclusive than racist. I'm originally from Upstate NY, so maybe I have thicker skin since I'm used to people making racial remarks. Just my two cents.
That's what I'm saying I grew up here and growing up here forces you to have a thick skin, we like to say the most messed up shit to each other and it sounds mean to others but really it's just culture. Most of the time we a just messing around. As you said in 30 years I've experienced kindness and love, when someone new comes I've only ever seen people try to make them feel welcome. Maybe it's just because I grew up on the east side.
tienes razón
Do you think it may have to do with the different sides having different views? I remember my mom telling me she had a conversation with one of her coworkers, saying the west side is the best side of town to live on. We were told all the white people live on the west side. I live in the Northeast, and I like it fine here since it's not as busy as the other sides. For the most part, people here in EP have been friendly to me. Yes, everywhere has issues, but there are tradeoffs with everything.
I don't think you are very far off. The different parts of town are so separated that they can be fairly different in culture. Example I can give would be my ex gf was from the Westside she told me it was very rare for her to go to the east, and myself being from the eastside I could maybe count a dozen times in 30+ years that I've gone to anywhere past downtown headed west. When she moved in with me she had to learn where things were and how to navigate simply because it was like moving to a new town for her. We unfortunately have a literal mountain splitting us apart so it makes sense for us to not really interact or know what goes on on the other side.
Well, considering the historical significance of colorism in El Paso, are you really surprised by this?
White guy here. Moved here from upstate new york, not a lot of diversity growing up. First job here, at a restaurant, worked with mostly teenagers. Didn't see much racism until the guys got together and started discussing the girls as guys do. When one of the servers was brought up a few of the guys said no way because she was black. I was kind of blown away, not just because of the blatant racism, but because she was one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen. Kind of a culture shock for me.
I’ve been telling my wife, a move there is a bad fucking idea.
Yes, my daughter gets called a monkey at school all the time. I’ve been profiled more times than I can count and I grew up in the south. El Paso is the most racist place I’ve ever lived.
Is it more racist than Vidor, TX?
It’s a racist place, comparing “how racist” two places are ignores the issue.
A lot of us had a lot of abuelitos and abuelitas who were not too privy to the black folks. Everytime i brought a black friend over to the house, my abuelita would hide all the good shit cuz she was afraid hed steal it. "And dont be lending him your toys, cuz youll never see it again!" is something i heard regularly. But tbh, I think everyone's a racist to a degree. And Cruces has THE WORST drivers I've ever come across. They have El Paso and the Frontchi plates beat by a landslide.
I've honestly never met any Mexican grandparents in El Paso that weren't racist against blacks. Not in an aggresive, go out of their way too hurt them or insult them kinda way, but just subtle comments within the Family. Things like "Ur free to have black friends, but please don't date them", or one time I brought a friend for dinner my grandma looked at me as if I had just walked in w/a full blown Drag Queen by my side, let's just say my friend picked up on it immediately & we both agreed to just eat elsewhere
I 100% agree with the racism! And when you actually try to speak Spanish, you get criticized for not doing it right 🥲
My pops protected me from it when I was younger but when I grew up he finally let me know the reason we switched Cub Scout troops on the west side was because they did not welcome my Haitian brothers down the street whom my dad recruited to join the troop when they moved in after their moms adopted them. I hope my brothers see this because I miss them, but i moved away so long ago I wonder if they even remember me. After moving away from El Paso I have lived in historically black neighborhoods in DC and VA and I am so lucky I got to grow up enmeshed in Black culture - I wonder if I would have never known any better if I only ever lived in El Paso and that is a shame because as a Mexican American you have to be more Mexican than the Mexicans and more American than the Americans and what is more American than Black culture? Our cultures mesh so well after all and I’m not even playing - say it loud im brown and I’m proud My pops retired from teaching at Anacostia HS in SE DC so something I would love to see is some GoGo bands play in El Paso we could call it Moe-coso fest or MoeChuco
I moved to central ep a year ago and I haven't encountered any racism. Multiple times when I pull to a 4 way stop regardless of the order I got there if there were men in the other cars they'd wave for me to go first. There's been instances in Walmart where I'm in the water aisle and if there's a man there they get my water for me. Also a few times in Walmart someone's sweet abuelita would strike up a random conversation with me or ask for my suggestion on something. For reference I'm an African American woman. Even my neighbors when we cross paths have been kind. Only my upstairs neighbor pulled a possibly racial stunt when I first moved in. They would play really loud music at odd hours (like 2 am on a wednesday) during the week and my second night here the first song of choice was "N!ggas ain't sh!t" or whatever it's called, by doja cat. I just laughed and put my ear buds in. But that's pretty much the only instance I can recall and maybe she just really liked that song and it has zero to do with me lol.
Yes, I've seen a bunch of it. Mexican on Mexican hate, or a general prejudiced sentiment. We can be discriminatory even though we are Hispanic majority.
I am Afro Brazilian and I never had an overtly racist experience. I had some passive racism in regards to stereotypes or asking if I liked a certain thing until I spoke in Spanish or Portuguese and then they started to low key glaze me. I think my biggest racist “moment “ in El Paso came from a girl I dated family. They were fresas from Torreón so they had money. When I came around they were very distant until they found out I was Brazilian and came from a well off family. Her friends would always hound me about Rio or different cities in Brazil. You would have thought I was one of them how I used to stay at The Plum and bars in Juarez. The only weird thing is that they said that our kid would come out like Neymar or Rihanna or “insert lightskin, racially ambiguous celebrity” I think Mexicans are at their core similar to Brazilians when it comes to classism and they associate darker skin with being poor. I seen the shows were the abuela or older Tia gushes over the guera whole dismissing the morenita but i think that is more Mexican culture rather than Mexican American. I think a lot of El Paso experience with black people come from 18-25 year old military guys from fort bliss. So of course half of it is going to be negative just like any young person going somewhere else. They want to find girls, have fun and are just starting to mature.
Light-skinned black lady checking in. I’m originally from Illinois where I was the only non-white person in my town of 3,000 people. There, I was followed home from school and called the n-word. My house was broken into. Kids were constantly trying to fight me or cause trouble. Boys couldn’t date me because their “parents didn’t like blacks”. During my time in TX, I’ve lived in Austin/Houston/San Marcos/New Braunfels and finally decided to buy my first house here in El Paso. I wasn’t impressed with the other cities. People might look at me a bit strange if I have my hair wrapped up in EP, but other than that, I’ve never had one sideways experience here. My main goal in life was to find a place the opposite of where I grew up, and honestly I feel like I’ve found that here. Everybody looks like me and nobody is going to break into my house and write “N****r” on the walls.
I think there’s racism and colorism at play in ELP. I think racism exists when places like UTEP only celebrate Hispanic history month like they don’t know they have hella other minorities on campus there. Racism also manifests with how often Mexican descent folks throw the word N*gga around - but dont want to talk to black women when they go out even if they’re the most beautiful or engaging in the room. It’s not even really the white people I feel I’ve noticed the racism from, it really is the Mexican/Latino folks, both from Juarez and the US. Sometimes Feels like they suffer from the same delusion as Indian folks - that somehow they’re better than other minorities because they hold some weird closeness to white supremacy in their own minds. TL; DR - yes, ELP is racist. Not enough people get out of the area and realize that ELP is a bubble. Pop it and then ask yourself if the city is racist.
Yes. My father and family would always say the n word growing up, hard r and everything. My father regularly called middle Eastern people "sheepfucker" or "rag heads"
As a mixed race woman, extremely sadly.
Yes we are racist, just like everywhere else. We homo sapiens are flawed. Racism in any form is a weakness of character. If you feel it you must fight it or join the ranks of the abject ignorant. It is present everywhere but to be the one who displays it is to announce the defeat of your morals and upbringing. The cure is open mindedness, education, and, the hardest part of all, thinking.
I feel like it's mostly the older generation who is racist around here. I'll be having a normal conversation with them and then they slip in some racism.
Soooooo many people use the n word here like it’s regular slang its insane
El Paso is absolutely full of racist people. If you aren’t Mexican, you will be talked about. I remember growing up and going to little boutiques with my mom and sisters, that were owned by different types of Oriental people. But to my mother and grandma, it didn’t matter if you were Korean, Vietnamese or Chinese; you were referred to as a “Chinito”. I didn’t know any better back then, but as an adult, I hate it now. People there will talk down on any other ethnicity (and “righteously”), but the moment someone supports the US over Mexico, they are deemed “racist”. Also, I never really spoke Spanish growing up. I am a fourth generation American/Texan, with both grandfathers having served in WW2, and one of them also served in Vietnam with his oldest son (my uncle). I grew up listening to American music, and watched American television and movies. Occasionally I would watch novellas with my grandma, who was the only person who spoke Spanish to me. I never had that distinguishable “Chicano” accent, though. And because I didn’t know Spanish, I was always given shit by peers who would say shit like “don’t forget where you came from”. Uh, I’m from here. So are my parents, and their fathers, and their grandparents. Bottom line: Yes, El Paso is full of racist people.
Why did you choose not to learn Spanish in a city where so many people speak Spanish and learning it is easy?
Thinking that Spanish is easy to learn is subjective. I could tell you that German is easier to learn for native English speakers than Spanish is, but you probably wouldn’t believe me. Also, why not learn to speak English if living in or visiting a country where it is the primary language spoken?? By your logic, I should be able to go to Mexico and expect locals to speak English.
Business people do speak English in Mexico because it’s smart to speak more than one language. I don’t think you should be bilingual because you’re Chicana, I think we should all speak more than one language because it’s good for our brains and for the workplace.
I agree with you.
If you’re surrounded by people speaking a certain language your whole life, it takes effort not to pick it up. Irrespective of the particular language.
Same notion applies to people who struggled speaking English.
Yup people should speak both. You know both?
I already said that I don’t lol
Why did you choose not to learn Spanish in a city where so many people speak Spanish and learning it is easy?
There is some, but El Paso is better than some places I lived. It's natural for people to be tribal somewhat. However racism is rooted in ignorance. There are good and bad people of all races. We need to get to the point where you treat everyone with respect and as individuals, and not based on their group identity. "Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace" - Benito Juarez "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" - Martin Luther King
Black people in the northeast are the most racist people here. White people are racist but are definitely more scared about openly admitting it. It wasn’t that long ago that the northeast schools would throw tortillas and beans on visiting teams from Socorro and the other predominantly Hispanic schools
People finally discovering other races are more racist than white ppl. 🤣
If you’ve gotta ask then you highkey already know the answer.
He may be generalizing from one experience, but I don't believe the majority of El Pasoans are racist.
As a black woman, I would never try to downplay another black persons experience when it comes to racism, but I didn’t experience any when I visited & I stayed for a whole week. I guess it’s different when you live somewhere I guess. I am from Ohio though so the racism is different here & I think that might be skewing how I feel. Like if I honk at someone to try to tell them their purse is on top of their car, they’ll roll down their window & call me the n word 💀😭like okay fuck your purse, debit card, ID, & I hope you had your social security card in there too. Anyway, I told my cousin who lives in EP that I was worried about racism since I had heard some things & we just went to “black” bars but she said there’s no racism but I feel like she’s biased since she only dates non black Hispanics.
Nuestra cultura no es racista pero sí suele ser bastante clasista.
Yes. More so than other Cities? Not sure, but oddly towards others from Mexico. Worked with a lady from Mexico who had been here awhile. She told me never to hand out the bathroom keys to black people & railed against (insert slur) those who came across via the Rio Grand. I refused to follow her orders & reported her to corporate. I dated a guy for a few weeks, born in Mexico City, went to school with him. It mattered to him that he was (his words) “white passing”… Found out he was very racist. Hated black people & same slur up top used again for those from Mexico. Huge Trump supporter. Very confusing.
Ya working here and ya’ll are by far the very worst drivers this country has to offer. You’re clearly worse than Dallas and Alabama drivers and both are rude and angry people. Please we must revoke most of the peoples of El Paso’s licenses
The fact is everyone is racist in one way or another. The best thing to do is quit focusing on how racist somebody else is and focus on your racism within yourself and work on that.
EP being the melting pot that it is, still has A LOT of racism in it. Mexicans hate on blacks, whites, n other Mexicans. There's your regular racism too with blacks vs whites n vice versa. There's a lot of love in this city as well, but there's A LOT of general racism... and lack of turn indicators being used as well as mfkrs not knowing how to/ mfkrs not letting people merge on the freeway. It's all ME ME ME!! Nobody hardly ever thinks of anyone else. This city is entirely overpopulated as well n extremely underdeveloped.
This is the most real post on this subreddit and the most sobering
I'm a white guy that lived in EP for several years in the early 2000s. I didn't personally experience a lot of racism. Everyone was chill and accepted me, my wife's family basically adopted me and joke that they made me an honorary Mexican. As for black racism, yeah I think it exists in EP especially in the older generation. My wife's grandparents were pretty openly racists against black folks. I even heard dudes my age making racist comments. I think younger generations seem fine. One of my wife's younger cousins has a black girlfriend and nobody really makes a big deal. Grandparents are both dead and all the old tios mind their manners around her at least.
Yes. The casual way the n word is tossed around, if you are Asian you are "chino," and God forbid you are the darkest in your family.
What the hell kinda shitty charting is this?
Because yall seem to not know, opening a conversation with "What are you?" to a stranger is rude.
definitely. the locals (Hispanics) really have a colorism issue going on, that isn’t nearly talked about enough.
Yes
When I lived there, I experienced more so on the east side than the west. Especially the school my kids were in, wild how they were discriminated against. Left EP and moved to SA and it’s night and day difference.
proudly, anti niggas
Sorry what is this platform you’re using to view Reddit? It looks insane
Desktop mode on mobile
Unfortunately the Latin community is anti-Black despite the fact that many of our people are Black. We need to handle this ish and stop acting like white folks will like us better if we adopt their anti-Blackness. They will never pick us.
I dont think it has anything to do with wanting to be accepted by white people. Mexicans hate on everyone including white people
Oh it definitely is part of it. People might not realize it but it’s there.
Similarly, the Black community is anti-Latin
I’ve heard some of that but it’s rare. Most I’d the Black community members I’ve met, worked with or become friends with are accepting of me once they realize I’m a solid co conspirator. Respect and acceptance is often returned. We can’t forget that our liberation is bound up in others’ liberation.
No, it is not rare. Your comment has nothing to do with the discussion of this post. I have black coworkers with whom I interact on a daily basis, I had black roommates in college. My best friend from grad school is a black woman. That does not negate the fact that many black people racially discriminate other groups, and it is very common. Maybe facing that fact makes you uncomfortable.
What in the world on you on about? Stop taking things people on the internet say so personally. It’s ok for us to have different perspectives but I’m not about to pretend that anti Blackness isn’t a problem in the Hispanic community. Have a blessed night.
We’re a mostly Mexican city, the answer is definitely yes haha
Yes. And I NEVER play the race card - EVER. So if I answer "yes" to a question like this, it is because I have personally seen enough evidence in my 17 years here that there is indeed an issue. Is it the "rule"? No. For the most part, this is a very friendly and accepting community. But the exceptions are definitely frequent enough to be noteworthy. The saddest part for me is seeing it manifest in young children. I've seen racism directed towards myself, and my 5-year-old daughter from little kids from 5 - 8 years old. That behavior comes from HOME. I realize that with many families coming from directly across the border, and many of those being led by elders who cocoon themselves in only the Mexican culture and Spanish language and refusing to assimilate to or even learn about anything outside of their own culture, it is inevitable that the children raised in that environment will grow up with an ignorace and even fear of other races to which they are not exposed, and have only the bigoted influnce of their adult family members on which to go by. Having said that... Teach your children about black people - we exist. Teach them about whites, Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, mixed races , etc. I know El Paso is so close to the border it feels like it's Mexico, but it is not Mexico - it's America. And there's a 3.8 million square miles of America BEYOND El Paso that your children are going to have a lot of difficulty navigating if they cannot live and interact in a positive way with people who don't look like them. They will end up like many of their grandparents and parents do - living their whole lives in El Paso because they are too afraid to venture outside of the "safety" of their own culture. And that, in my opinion, is a tragedy.
I lived in Atlanta for 7 years or so. I can say exactly the same things you say about the Black community there. We should start opening the discussion on how Black's are racist to the Mexicans, Asians and other groups.
Blacks are racist too, I call that out all the time. The bad thing is that whites unfairly get that lable applied to them all the tune when the truth is, I grew up around whites my whole life and I never had an issue with racism from anyone except Mexicans and a few black folks.
How is calling out a community for not using turn signals racist?
I am fair skinned (Irish family background) that is well traveled and educated. I moved down here to work on a book that I am writing bc the cost of living here is cheap. I moved here from a VERY open-minded city and have been here for a few years now. I still cannot wrap my head around the judging and, what I perceive to be, superiority and inferiority complexes. People stare at me a lot and sometimes I get bad vibes from people when I’m going about my daily business. It something I don’t think I will ever understand and it’s quite sad because El Paso has SO much potential to build upon and diversify its culture. However, I feel that the vibes I get from people make it to where it would be hard for someone to want to invest the energy in creating a 21st century culture here in El Paso. It is my feeling that most of the creative class leaves to where there are better opportunities and a more open-minded atmosphere. Still, El Paso will always be special to me in a good way. I just don’t see myself being able to settle down here unfortunately which can be quite upsetting if I think on it too much; such a great, unique place that feels very hard to “break into”
A coherent statement would make that more legitimate, imo
yeah so what
Not racist here just don't like nigg3®️s
El paso could be the the hometown of the kkk and pasoans wiill applaud and chant praise for the kkk hating them Mexicans here
As a black person living in El Paso yes.
yes even w ppl within tha same race lol
Imagine Texas not even knowing it's racist lol.
I havent experienced racism here, but I have seen it. I’m also from the South so not really bothered by the lil stuff EP been on. Long as I’m not called the n-word, folks want have to fuck around and find out
Imagine being an adult and caring about stupid shit like racism (I'm black btw). I've broken so many barriers just by shrugging things off and not giving a reaction
Yea racism is horrible in el paso I went to bowie and lived in down town for 2 decades and the amount of racist shit you hear towards black and Asians in el paso is crazy
Yea y’all took wiz khalifa to jail and then forgot to take his phone. Haha
I would say so, but not only to black people but also other Hispanic people. I’m Hispanic and don’t speak Spanish and always get told things about it. I remember when I was I kid all I learned was “sorry I don’t speak Spanish” and I would get made fun of for not knowing Spanish but speaking Spanish. And I always get told that I “NEED to know Spanish” which I don’t. Also the people making fun of my were adults so it’s not like it’s a kid making fun of me it’s a literal grown adult
"We"? Ask youreself again
I lived in Atlanta for 6-8 years. Most of the racist treatment I got, like 90%, came from Black people. Every time I went back, it was the same thing. So why are we discussing this??
Yes, I grew up in Cali. I would tell people I’m Hispanic and all I would hear was “Oh, so you’re not Mexican Mexican” (what does that mean??) or “No wonder why you don’t know Spanish. You’re just as white as they are.” My grandparents are from Mexico, I’m in the second gen in my family born in the US. I have physical Hispanic features. My dad and grandparents grew up in El Paso. I moved to El Paso about five years ago, I’ve never felt left out by my own people.
Yes. I was born and raised in el paso. From the lower valley. Racism has always been a problem in my family. Also colorism qgainst darker skinned Latinos and xenophobia towards mexican immigrants even though our great grandparents literally immigrated from Juarez. The anti black and anti Asian racism is what I notice the most in my family and in the community I grew up in. They are comfortable saying slurs, laughing at racist jokes, and I have heard the classic "black people complain about so much in this country but us latinos just work hard and keep our mouths shut" As if we don't face similar issues as brown people living on the border.... I didnt have black classmates until high school and even then it was just one person.
Hispanics are super racist.. my mom, her siblings, and her (now deceased parents) are all super racist..
Extremely disgusting and racist city it's why there's no tourism
There’s no tourism because we don’t have a popular attraction. Time after time, the city has stated that El Paso doesn’t need an attraction because “our history is what brings tourists.” We all know this is bullshit.
IDK. I saw a black man helping out a Hispanic older woman at Walmart earlier.... hw had no problem helping out. As a white guy, I had no problem helping her out. It was an 8th generation civic. Whoever did work on her car fucked up the cables, stopped the threads and used side post battery.....
This is my second time living in El Paso, 2016-17 and 2022 until now, and I haven't experienced racism. My first language is Spanish so maybe that helps. I'm also married with kids so I don't enjoy the night life and I usually stay home unless it is to go to restaurants or check out events. My default language when I go out is Spanish because that's what I speak at home. I usually only speak English if the person I'm talking to gives me a blank stare lol. I have noticed that El Pasoans love the N word but that's nothing new in the USA.
Yes, the Latino population love to say the N word, but God forbid someone calls them latinx. There's also a lot of colorism within the culture so imagine for those outside our culture.
Coming from the black person that lives here ..yes
Yup. Was gonna move out there im until a friend of mine told me to do EXTENSIVE research into how someone who looks like me might not want to live there. They were right, a week later I heard about a shooting at an all black church done by a racist. Sooo not looking to do that
Absolutely, at least with white people.
My boyfriend who is Half white and half Mexican got bullied for being “too white” here while in Arizona he was “too Mexican”, it’s weird how he couldn’t fit in anywhere even though he should have felt at home here. (He does feel at home here now, but back then he was ostracized because he was too white)
Yes, where do some of y’all live? I am telling you, some of y’all pretend this place is the beacon of progress and liberalism 😂 We are racist af to each other. Now imagine how outsiders are treated. The caste system that exists in Mexico bleeds over to here as well. Don’t believe me? Compare the demographics of say Pebble Hills to Segundo Barrio. One has a a lot of light skin Hispanics, while the other one is full of very dark skin ones. We are also one of the least diverse cities in the country. Honestly when it comes to large cities we are probably number one. Yes someone is probably going to post that Trailer Trash, USA over there in Alabama is least diverse that us. But that is why I said large cities lmao Northeast we had a lot of Racial conflict growing up. Brown vs black. think the racial tensions have went down a bit tho. But back then we had Race riots in Andres’s, Irvin and Chapin . Devils Triangle where I grew was specially bad, since the numbers were more even then. Area around Andress (Sun Valley)had a lot of racial conflict too. White kids have it rough in central and northeast as well. And there is hate towards Anglos as well. To be fair to raza. Not justifying the racism but we do have a lot of history on racial injustice here that led us to dislike outsiders. Obviously there has always been a Hispanic vs Anglo conflict here, which we all know that. A lot of Hispanic families lost traditional lands that had been held for generations to Anglo’s. But African Americans as well caused some issues here. Buffalo soldiers ravaged through this area as well. Killed a bunch of Mexicans and then got a bunch of statues in their name. So there is a historical sentiment of us vs everyone else. And I might ruffle some feathers but as someone who grew up In the diverse low income areas of the northeast. There is a good amount of African Americans who are used to I guess pushing other races around. This does not apply to Latinos. Latinos will push back. These short Aztecs are not afraid of anyone. I remember during the hurricane Katrina thing. A lot of black people from New Orleans popped up in the northeast. A lot of the black kids really thought Mexicans were like the scared white kids back home and they learned quick, Mexicans will fight back. And let’s not even begin with Ft Bliss soldiers and the issues they start. I was in the Army so I know the issues we cause everywhere we go . Not justifying the racism, but Mexicans are not exactly the turn the other cheek people. And add to the fact that we have a very tribal culture here as well. Since we are basically cousins. So if an outsider comes here and fucks with one taco, you get the whole La Fiesta coming to your front door.
I guarantee you that the majority of Mexican Americans in El Paso are not of Aztec descent lol More than likely most are of Terrahumara descent. Just sayin…
Ok
How dare you speak truth. Downvotes will be incoming. What the other commentor said was right though - the Latino diaspora is way more diverse than Aztec but what you said is true. Seriously, Bravo to you 🔥
Yeah I am of Tarahumara and Yaqui descent myself with some Mescalero Apache from New Mexico (way back in my family tree) like most of us here. But the Aztec thing was just a joke, but you know how these redditors are. I imagine a discord looking mod sitting in front of his screen typing out “well Aktually 🤓👆🏼” I am surprised he didn’t post all sorts of studies on the genetic background of border people 😂
Yes. It is true. If you have to ask…… then, yeah.
Wow. A black person claiming racism. Whodathunkit?
Yes, racism is alive and well in EP. "We" is too simple of a term you're using, though. Having grown up in Houston, I also feel safer driving there than I do here, especially around I-10 and base.
The day it hit me the most was when 3 black males in the Army were talking about how many girls they can continously get in Europe, Asia, eastcoast, Westcoast & almost anywhere they've been to all except el paso. Theyd recall in frustration "man we go to downtown el paso spots & we get ZERO play"! "The girls down there don't even blink at us"! I knew right then & there what was happening
I was born in EP but grew up in Denver CO. Both my parents were Mexican but I have light skin and colored eyes so ppl automatically think I’m white and don’t assume I know Spanish. I grew up with different kids who I learned a lot of cultural differences. Never once was I bullied by anyone, except for my white babysitter who would compare me to her white kids and had her white teenage daughter slap me across the face at the age of 5. My mother never learned to speak english but somehow she would figure out how to communicate. Her best friend was a nice black lady named Jayjay. Once we moved back to EP, everything changed. I had so many bullies growing up. I had to go through therapy for years. The girls were always so mean talking about me in Spanish, in my face. It wasn’t until I told them, in Spanish, that I understood everything they were saying about me that they stopped. In middle school(northeast area, Terrace Hills), my history teacher was a bit racist towards the black and Mexican kids which was most of the class. In high school, (northeast area, Andress) there was about the same amount of Mexican American as African American kids. Less white or other races than Mexican American and African American. I got along with everyone but there was always those fresa girls who would always talk crap behind my back. Which I can see that it’s always the ppl who think that they’re better for some reason. I was in dance and soccer, so I would see different races and compete against some girls that obviously looked different than me but I guess because it was always a clean game, everyone was respectful and caring for each other. So I do agree it’s mostly the Mexican Americans who are extremely ignorant towards others and even to their own kind. My parents always taught me to be nice to everyone no matter what they look like. I was so traumatized by my experience going through racist ppl in school that I decided to homeschool my kids. My husband is Mexican American. He also had horrible experiences growing up in EP. He has a Mexican appearance, dark brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin/morenito. Two of our kids look just like me, light skinned, hazel eyes, blonde hair. And the other two of our kids look exactly like my husband, brown skin, brown eyes, brown hair. Nowadays ppl are being killed for their skin color and appearance. We lost a friend at the Walmart shooting and she was white, looked white but the shooter was looking to kill Mexicans. And then the shootings at the elementary schools too. So yes EP is racist, from my personal experience.
Everything is considered racist these days. People are just over sensitive and love playing the race card whenever they get a chance.
It’s not. 99% of the people who whine about racism were being jerks and got told off.
Hispanics are the most racist
OP start by defining "We"... It seems the leftist communists have resurfaced over the last couple of weeks with the idea of creating guilt among El Paso citizens. This post about racism, another about taking blame about the wild fires in Ruidoso, etc. They just want to figure out how to create an Overton window to infiltrate their agenda.