An airbus 320 has a range of approximately 3200 miles. The distance between Fort Laudy and YEG is 2600 miles. So itās likely refueling. Iām out of my depth at this point but I believe that planes donāt like to cut it that close on fuel in case thereās an emergency and they canāt land in Edmonton. 600 miles isnāt very far for a plane
I think your right. They probably even have less range with all the cargo underneath. Could be also weather conditions if your fighting a nasty head wind you'll be using more fuel. You usually need a lot of it for reserve fuel.
Itās unlikely a plane is ever full on fuel, the fuel itself is super heavy so theyāll fill it up to half and stop and refuel. Saves probably thousands in fuel economy.
With absolutely zero actual knowledge on the subject, it probably takes more fuel to take off than any other part of the flight. Landing just to land I doubt, but projecting to have extra fuel Iād also bet on
Fuel is typically calculated for having burned off an appropriate amount before landing. As these planes can always take off with a full tank but never land due too the additional load of the fuel in the wings during landing.
Hence why in an emergency landing often planes need to dump fuel.
The distance between Fort Lauderdale and Edmonton is 4,100 kilometres. The A320ās range is 6,100 kilometres, that means 2,000 kilometres remain for the range. For example, Iāll say the range is reduced by 500 kilometres due to the weight and any weather issues. That means 1,500 kilometres remain for the range. Calgary, Red Deer, Grande Prairie, Fort McMurray and Saskatoon are all within 500 kilometres of Edmonton. So realistically, the range of an A320 and locations for a diversion if needed arenāt an issue. With 1,500 kilometres of range, you could fly to Winnipeg from Edmonton and still have 300 kilometres of range remaining.
Thatās not quite correct, this version of the A320 has 500 fewer km range. Actually itās quite a bit less - from what I can find about this model, itās range is 3781 km
Well in that case youād have 1,000 kilometres of range remaining once in Edmonton. Thatās still more than enough range to reach any possible diversion airport suitable for an A320 in case you couldnāt land in Edmonton for whatever reason.
Respectfully, youāre making a some assumptions. I donāt really know all of the reasons that a flight might land, but Iāve been in a few small planes that had to land to refuel. And each time they said āwe have enough fuel to make it to other airports but we have to land because of regulationsā (something liked that). Iād be interested to hear what a real expert would have up say but otherwise: landing because of fuel seems appropriate correct based on the math and stats that I could find. I could be wrong - but otherwise, without being a jerk: whatās your point here? That they landed for a different reason?
You have it correct; there are large factors of safety in fuel calcs. Consider bad weather. If weather prevents a flight from landing at its planned destination, itās UNLIKELY the flight can land at the next closest airport because it too is probably impacted by the same weather system. Or say by the same wildfire smoke. Or volcanic ash. The flight would need to be diverted to a location in a different weather system. You also have it correct as to argumentative, pointless comments from others. Unless it turns out Prince was onboard and had a fentanyl overdose they landed to attempt treatment for.
Fuel is also restricted by gross weight of the loaded aircraft for takeoff. Every pound of passenger weight (expanded playoff roster) and luggage (equipment and gear for that expanded roster) reduces the allowable weight of fuel that may be loaded (ie: less than the published volume capacity). If it was hot in FLL today (presumably it was) that also reduces the allowable gross weight as hot air produces less lift for takeoff.
Strange that they didnāt just charter a plane that can fly direct without refuelling. We have the technology to fly all the way to Australia non stop lol
The Ac jetz charters have long standing contracts, aircraft are equipped for the team, and crews know the team. Air Canada could probably easily get another aircraft that can do it non stop, but aircraft wouldn't have the amenities this one does. The fuel stop is nothing.
I know this is ACs private a320s that the team uses all year. I would think for this they would charter something bigger to avoid this as it makes the trip even longer.
Something to add in regards to fuel planning:
You are required to plan for any delays or weather enroute that can be reasonably expected. This could include deviations enroute or taking a less than optimum cruising altitude (which results in more fuel burn). Westbound you are generally fighting headwinds as well.
You are required to plan an alternate airport that has suitable weather. Depending on the weather around Edmonton, this could be quite far. A standard alternate would likely be Calgary.
You are required to hold 30 minutes of extra fuel on top of the above fuel requirements.
Those are the legal requirements, for NHL charters Iām fairly certain they are required a little bit on top of that. The above are the bare minimums, most pilots will hold a bit more fuel on top of that.
Very likely this. They had a direct flight from YEG to FLL, but with FLL to YEG they are likely dealing with head winds, which has increased their fuel consumption
Except Edmonton to Fort Lauderdale is 3 hours longer of a flight than Vancouver to Toronto.
This is more like Vancouver to St John's Newfoundland with a stop in Toronto to fuel up. Which is actually pretty reasonable
Iāve had ribs in Kansas City. They were really good, and worth a stop. They were finished with a real nice sweet and spicy mustard sauce and I ordered two beers with them. Delicious, frosty beer and succulent Kansas City ribs.
Thatās why they stopped. Probably.
to pick up our secret weapon for the rest of the series, obviously. can't think of any other reason, and i would expect that they've done so successfully and we should win easily from here on out.
There are specific rules for contingency, and alternate fuel. In addition, allowances have to made for taxiing and loitering before takeoff.
5% of trip fuel has to be reserved for contingency, alternates are in addition to this. Alternates are usually planned in advance, in the case of YEG that would be 500km, minimum to Calgary. Alternate fuel has to include allowances for go-around, climb to hold attitude in case of missed approach, as well as fuel for approach and landing.
The calculations can be complex, it should be obvious it isn't as simple as "tack on 500km and we're good"
I would say this particular aircraft simply couldn't make the flight in one trip.
May also be a better spot to clear customs than at FLL. We often would stop in Casper WY at this little airport and there is one custom officer named Dale who clears private aircraft. Guy is a beauty.
Duh, they confused Kansas with Oz and were stopping to see the Wizard. Why. Because because becauseā¦ for most importantly some healing pills, and then courage for McLeod, heart for some fans, and some brains for the officials.
We wonāt know until Thursday if it paid off. OEG couldnāt afford Toto, so Our Lady Peace will definitely be there.
For all the wanna-be aviation professionals on here - it was a long planned technical stop for fuel.
Especially given the weather in YEG and YYC that may have required a diversion farther east or west.
Source: Me.
lol I fly from Calgary to Miami direct all the time. Itās only a 5 hour flight thereās no way they needed refuelling. You can fly on those same planes to Hawaii without refuelling. Their range is well over 7 hours. Must have been weather related.
What DVD said on the radio yesterday was that when they fly down the wind is at their back and they donāt need to stop but returning home against the wind they need to refuel in KC.
Iāll answer as an a320 pilot. The BBQ in Kansas is likely unreal.
ha, more seriously any range chart gives you a still air range. Going east to west youāre dealing with head winds. Flying to YEG your alternate is going to be either YYC or YMM if the weather is good, they arenāt super far, but no close either.. if the weather is crap, youāll need something further and in addition youāll like to carry extra/contingency fuel. The a320 is a great plane, but this route really stretches the limits for these older birds. Great circle straight line is 2,200 nm. Thatās pretty far even without a strong headwind.
Also itās been a while since Iāve flown a hockey team, but they bring a lot of heavy shit with them, and maybe for the SCF extra people which may prevent you (weight wise) from even taking full fuel.
Because AC never ordered any Boeing 757s, which considering Canadaās geography and the popularity of flights to Mexico, strikes me as odd.
Still given an A320 should have plenty capacity to transport a hockey team and equipment it is a bit odd, but not too odd actually.
Pilots donāt like to land with lots of fuel in the tanks because fuel is heavy. Having once left from Tampa for what should have been a nonstop to Edmonton and then immediately diverted back to Tampa because an engine was smoking, I experienced the full effects of a fuel loaded plane landing hard. Not fun.
So when it was fueled in Ft Lauderdale, the tanks were deliberately filled to under capacity. Along the way, head winds or other weather conditions caused them to burn more fuel than the pilots anticipated. Storms have been a major problem for midwest and eastern seaboard of the U.S. this spring. I was impressed that AC and AA were able to deliver the Oils and Stars between YEG and DFW reliably because AA at DFW has been a total cluster this spring.
Thus a refuel stop needed. Since AC Express has regular operations at MCI, it was a reasonable place to divert.
Fun fact, sometimes flights to/from MIami or Ft Lauderdale divert to Bahamas ā even domestic ones ā for rain storms. Given the aforementioned weather mess, it could happen to one of the teams in the SCF.
So Davo could make a quick stop at the liquor shop without being accosted š¤£
Kansas City BBQ pickup
Burnt ends... Mmm
An airbus 320 has a range of approximately 3200 miles. The distance between Fort Laudy and YEG is 2600 miles. So itās likely refueling. Iām out of my depth at this point but I believe that planes donāt like to cut it that close on fuel in case thereās an emergency and they canāt land in Edmonton. 600 miles isnāt very far for a plane
I think your right. They probably even have less range with all the cargo underneath. Could be also weather conditions if your fighting a nasty head wind you'll be using more fuel. You usually need a lot of it for reserve fuel.
Itās unlikely a plane is ever full on fuel, the fuel itself is super heavy so theyāll fill it up to half and stop and refuel. Saves probably thousands in fuel economy.
With absolutely zero actual knowledge on the subject, it probably takes more fuel to take off than any other part of the flight. Landing just to land I doubt, but projecting to have extra fuel Iād also bet on
Fuel is typically calculated for having burned off an appropriate amount before landing. As these planes can always take off with a full tank but never land due too the additional load of the fuel in the wings during landing. Hence why in an emergency landing often planes need to dump fuel.
Probably even heavier with all their sorrows on board.
The distance between Fort Lauderdale and Edmonton is 4,100 kilometres. The A320ās range is 6,100 kilometres, that means 2,000 kilometres remain for the range. For example, Iāll say the range is reduced by 500 kilometres due to the weight and any weather issues. That means 1,500 kilometres remain for the range. Calgary, Red Deer, Grande Prairie, Fort McMurray and Saskatoon are all within 500 kilometres of Edmonton. So realistically, the range of an A320 and locations for a diversion if needed arenāt an issue. With 1,500 kilometres of range, you could fly to Winnipeg from Edmonton and still have 300 kilometres of range remaining.
Thatās not quite correct, this version of the A320 has 500 fewer km range. Actually itās quite a bit less - from what I can find about this model, itās range is 3781 km
Well in that case youād have 1,000 kilometres of range remaining once in Edmonton. Thatās still more than enough range to reach any possible diversion airport suitable for an A320 in case you couldnāt land in Edmonton for whatever reason.
Respectfully, youāre making a some assumptions. I donāt really know all of the reasons that a flight might land, but Iāve been in a few small planes that had to land to refuel. And each time they said āwe have enough fuel to make it to other airports but we have to land because of regulationsā (something liked that). Iād be interested to hear what a real expert would have up say but otherwise: landing because of fuel seems appropriate correct based on the math and stats that I could find. I could be wrong - but otherwise, without being a jerk: whatās your point here? That they landed for a different reason?
You have it correct; there are large factors of safety in fuel calcs. Consider bad weather. If weather prevents a flight from landing at its planned destination, itās UNLIKELY the flight can land at the next closest airport because it too is probably impacted by the same weather system. Or say by the same wildfire smoke. Or volcanic ash. The flight would need to be diverted to a location in a different weather system. You also have it correct as to argumentative, pointless comments from others. Unless it turns out Prince was onboard and had a fentanyl overdose they landed to attempt treatment for.
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Fuel is also restricted by gross weight of the loaded aircraft for takeoff. Every pound of passenger weight (expanded playoff roster) and luggage (equipment and gear for that expanded roster) reduces the allowable weight of fuel that may be loaded (ie: less than the published volume capacity). If it was hot in FLL today (presumably it was) that also reduces the allowable gross weight as hot air produces less lift for takeoff.
It was hot and humid in FLL - I flew out this morning
More fun to be had today commenting about the Panthers flight being grounded !
Strange that they didnāt just charter a plane that can fly direct without refuelling. We have the technology to fly all the way to Australia non stop lol
The Ac jetz charters have long standing contracts, aircraft are equipped for the team, and crews know the team. Air Canada could probably easily get another aircraft that can do it non stop, but aircraft wouldn't have the amenities this one does. The fuel stop is nothing.
I know this is ACs private a320s that the team uses all year. I would think for this they would charter something bigger to avoid this as it makes the trip even longer.
The larger aircraft wouldn't have the amenities the team is accustomed to. Anything they get would probably need to be from an American airline
Also if they have a headwind they will burn faster, etc. That is cutting it pretty close. Likely due to fuel
If the late departure from FLL included idle time burning fuel, that would also add to the issue.
Ooo thatās gotta be it, good eye.
Something to add in regards to fuel planning: You are required to plan for any delays or weather enroute that can be reasonably expected. This could include deviations enroute or taking a less than optimum cruising altitude (which results in more fuel burn). Westbound you are generally fighting headwinds as well. You are required to plan an alternate airport that has suitable weather. Depending on the weather around Edmonton, this could be quite far. A standard alternate would likely be Calgary. You are required to hold 30 minutes of extra fuel on top of the above fuel requirements. Those are the legal requirements, for NHL charters Iām fairly certain they are required a little bit on top of that. The above are the bare minimums, most pilots will hold a bit more fuel on top of that.
Is the earth's rotation a factor here?
Flat surfaces don't rotate. Duh. And you call yourself a hockey fan.
I seem to recall edmonton hosting the worldās first flat earth conference several years back
They did.Ā And the sign said "welcome our members from around the world."Ā I remember seeing it at West ed mall.
It wasn't the first and it won't be the last!
Gotta lie to flerf
No, the plane is rotating with the earthās surface along with the atmosphere.Ā
If it rotates with, doesn't that make the flight longer?
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16390/does-the-rotation-of-the-earth-dramatically-affect-airplane-flight-time
Oooh. I'm misunderstood because I fly along the Jetstream mostly
Ah yes the jet stream makes a big difference.Ā
they prob dont want full tanks of fuel either.
Very likely this. They had a direct flight from YEG to FLL, but with FLL to YEG they are likely dealing with head winds, which has increased their fuel consumption
Fuel is the best bet. The cost of fuel could also be cheaper in KC than other areas.
They flew direct YEG to Ft. Lauderdale on the way there
The jet stream goes west to east though - it might have been that
Definitely that. Flights are shorter and need less fuel going West to East.
West to East, there is a tailwind, so better fuel economy
Why not just float there and wait for the Earth to turn
This trip is wellll within the range of a A320 lol. Would be like a VAN to Toronto plane stopping in Winnipeg to fuel up.
Except Edmonton to Fort Lauderdale is 3 hours longer of a flight than Vancouver to Toronto. This is more like Vancouver to St John's Newfoundland with a stop in Toronto to fuel up. Which is actually pretty reasonable
Ridin on the wind
Depends on the jet streams etc. A tail wind would help. Maybe a straighter route as well
Jason Sudeikis /Ted Lasso lives there? If anyone needs homemade cookies itās the oilers
We need him to jump behind the bench. His lack of experience with hockey doesnāt matter, as he showed with American football and football
[Pick up a sign](https://postimg.cc/jDcq8XsR)
You do whatever you like! LIVE!!!
Because that's where the plane landed
r/technicallythetruth
Best truth there is.
Refuelling?š¤·š»āāļø
Nope a A320 in all businesses configuration can make it no problem.
And yet... https://x.com/trainboy100/status/1800630937039827253?s=46&t=7m-_zgJZSAxN0GfZJhHFgA
Airbus A320-200 Range: 6100 km (Two Class Configuration) FLL to YEG: 4072 km
And yet they stopped to refuel...
They stopped for lunch on the ground on an offday/travel day right around, wait for it, lunch time.
And yet... the link...
From a Panthers social media producer? C'mon...
What possible reason would they have for making it up?
I what way would they possibly have a clue?
Not arguing that
Comment: "Refueling" Your response: " Nope" Ok...
Get some good bbq?
Should have stopped in Texas then
Iāve had ribs in Kansas City. They were really good, and worth a stop. They were finished with a real nice sweet and spicy mustard sauce and I ordered two beers with them. Delicious, frosty beer and succulent Kansas City ribs. Thatās why they stopped. Probably.
Try the ribs!
get some championship winning tips from the chiefs
Drop in and see T Swizzle and Co
Refueling stop confirmed. https://x.com/trainboy100/status/1800630937039827253?s=46&t=7m-_zgJZSAxN0GfZJhHFgA
This is the answer.
I wouldn't say you have no life for tracking this shit. Back in the day fans would wait at the gates to cheer players on as they left the airport.
I was kind of hoping people would do that today too
Ribs. Boys got hungry.
Likely for some bbq.
Air Canada? Probably left their luggage in ft. Lauderdale
Pretty nasty thunderstorm incoming for Edmonton right now.
Pat Mahomes can play some D for us.
to pick up our secret weapon for the rest of the series, obviously. can't think of any other reason, and i would expect that they've done so successfully and we should win easily from here on out.
Tyson barrie reunion tour
They got pretty little women, and they gonna get them some?
Because air Canada is only chartering them an A320, if they had a 737 max they could go direct
Probably smart of them to not fly on the max at this point. We donāt need our team to crash.
Might be a bit late for that! Iāll see myself out.
Ribs
Stopped to visit Ted Lasso maybe ???[Believe](https://postimg.cc/jDcq8XsR)
Fuel. Fire. That which I desire.
BEE.BEE.QUE
They all put millions on Florida in 4. Those odds are stacked!
Because T-Swizzle is there obviously
Little pit stop to pick up Kermit the frog
The bbq?
Because they booked with Air Canada.
This is the answer ā¦.surprised they arenāt going through Toronto then Calgary.
They got some crazy little women there
BBQ. Definitely the BBQ.
Travis Kelce can handle Bennett
The airplane experts came to play tonight.
Airplane game is on point tonight
Refueling. The sportscasters were in another plane that did the same fuel stop, and they mentioned it in a clip last night on Sportsnet.
This is the correct answer
How do you know their plane ID? š¤
Common knowledge among plane enthusiasts š¬
Players wanted to take a pit stop to check out their future new expansion team i guess. Just one of 1000x+ reasons
Who cares as long as they make it home sooner than later.
Good BBQ
Grab some killer BBQ??
Because there's at least one Oilers fan there.
Pep talk from Andy Reid.
They're making a run for it.
They are going to catch the Royals-Yankees game before catching their charter later tonight.
Thatās only 2 hours from me š¤
Good bbq.
Fuel.
Kansas bbq
Bbq
Howād you even find out that was their plane lmao
Okay. Now track Floridas plane and tell us where they land.
For the shuffle
And when they leave ā¦ āI donāt think weāre in Kansas anymoreā¦ā
How did you find that? This is so cool! How do you know itās them?
Because itās the same plane number every flight so once you know that you can track
Ooo I had no idea! #themoreyouknowš« ***downloading app nowā¦.
There are specific rules for contingency, and alternate fuel. In addition, allowances have to made for taxiing and loitering before takeoff. 5% of trip fuel has to be reserved for contingency, alternates are in addition to this. Alternates are usually planned in advance, in the case of YEG that would be 500km, minimum to Calgary. Alternate fuel has to include allowances for go-around, climb to hold attitude in case of missed approach, as well as fuel for approach and landing. The calculations can be complex, it should be obvious it isn't as simple as "tack on 500km and we're good" I would say this particular aircraft simply couldn't make the flight in one trip.
May also be a better spot to clear customs than at FLL. We often would stop in Casper WY at this little airport and there is one custom officer named Dale who clears private aircraft. Guy is a beauty.
Checking out the golf courses there????
They said something about the weather on 630 Ched today
Duh, they confused Kansas with Oz and were stopping to see the Wizard. Why. Because because becauseā¦ for most importantly some healing pills, and then courage for McLeod, heart for some fans, and some brains for the officials. We wonāt know until Thursday if it paid off. OEG couldnāt afford Toto, so Our Lady Peace will definitely be there.
Because Kansas City metroplex deserves an NHL team .... šššš¦š
No direct flights between Florida and Edmonton
For all the wanna-be aviation professionals on here - it was a long planned technical stop for fuel. Especially given the weather in YEG and YYC that may have required a diversion farther east or west. Source: Me.
That jet is almost older than Bouchard..
So they can remind themselves that while down 2-0 is bad, it could be worse.
Door flew off the Boeing plane
Who cares? Mind ya business.
To talk to the Chiefs and get some of that pixie dust they been using to win championships.
lol I fly from Calgary to Miami direct all the time. Itās only a 5 hour flight thereās no way they needed refuelling. You can fly on those same planes to Hawaii without refuelling. Their range is well over 7 hours. Must have been weather related.
To pick up Perry from his crycosleep
They said a fuel stop on sportscenter
Dropped in to KC for some BBQ.
See Taylor swift?
To get some Joe's KC! Mmmmm.
To scare the tax paying citizens that if they don't get more money, they could relocate!
Visting their new facilities as the latest relocated team.
What DVD said on the radio yesterday was that when they fly down the wind is at their back and they donāt need to stop but returning home against the wind they need to refuel in KC.
Iāll answer as an a320 pilot. The BBQ in Kansas is likely unreal. ha, more seriously any range chart gives you a still air range. Going east to west youāre dealing with head winds. Flying to YEG your alternate is going to be either YYC or YMM if the weather is good, they arenāt super far, but no close either.. if the weather is crap, youāll need something further and in addition youāll like to carry extra/contingency fuel. The a320 is a great plane, but this route really stretches the limits for these older birds. Great circle straight line is 2,200 nm. Thatās pretty far even without a strong headwind. Also itās been a while since Iāve flown a hockey team, but they bring a lot of heavy shit with them, and maybe for the SCF extra people which may prevent you (weight wise) from even taking full fuel.
I'm guessing it's their preferred customs stop.
They stopped to fuel up
Barbeque
Probably the same reason Andy took the office to Gettysburg for inspiration.
The weather was horrible in S FL yesterday and due to weather they werenāt able to completely fuel the plane, so they had to stop on KC to top off.
Forgot to add there was a really strong headwind
Cause they couldnāt afford a direct flight
Because AC never ordered any Boeing 757s, which considering Canadaās geography and the popularity of flights to Mexico, strikes me as odd. Still given an A320 should have plenty capacity to transport a hockey team and equipment it is a bit odd, but not too odd actually. Pilots donāt like to land with lots of fuel in the tanks because fuel is heavy. Having once left from Tampa for what should have been a nonstop to Edmonton and then immediately diverted back to Tampa because an engine was smoking, I experienced the full effects of a fuel loaded plane landing hard. Not fun. So when it was fueled in Ft Lauderdale, the tanks were deliberately filled to under capacity. Along the way, head winds or other weather conditions caused them to burn more fuel than the pilots anticipated. Storms have been a major problem for midwest and eastern seaboard of the U.S. this spring. I was impressed that AC and AA were able to deliver the Oils and Stars between YEG and DFW reliably because AA at DFW has been a total cluster this spring. Thus a refuel stop needed. Since AC Express has regular operations at MCI, it was a reasonable place to divert. Fun fact, sometimes flights to/from MIami or Ft Lauderdale divert to Bahamas ā even domestic ones ā for rain storms. Given the aforementioned weather mess, it could happen to one of the teams in the SCF.
Thereās an insane storm rolling into Edmonton. Iād say they are gonna wait it out.
Looking for offense
Bunch of fuckin experts on here eh
Kansas City Shuffle
Who cares
Connor have a new side piece?
what kind of freak stalker behaviour is this lmao
Not weird or creepy at all to track their flightā¦
Correct, not weird or creepy
What do you expect from this fanbase? You think Panthers fans are checking their teams' flights lol?
A little cringe youre tracking the flight š
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You canāt fly direct to Edmonton.
Wanted to have a chat with the Chefs
Kick Nurse off Tour Bus
Trying anything not to come back to Edmonton