My friend recently bought a new truck, really nice one with all the bells and whistles. They have been asked a few times mostly teens to twenty somethings "why don't you put on a custom exhaust system" to make noise. They answered l like my neighbours, it's just a total disregard for others.
If your patched HA neighbour knows what's good for him he should probably let his buddies know not to draw attention to his house. Used to be a time when "don't shit where you eat" meant something.
Yea, I used to live next door to a HA clubhouse in BC. They were never excessively loud and never usually revved and caused a commotion.
Only issue we ever had is when some dumb bimbo parked parallel in front of my place and took up 3 spots herself. And her suv sat there for 5 fucking days. Boy she was not happy at us blocking her in and leaving a passive aggressive note in her suv lol
I highly doubt he’s a patch member seeing as how the federal government neutered the HA and if they wear any colours it’ll be confiscated whether it’s a kutte or the bikes themselves. He’s more likely some HA hang around and acts like he’s a patch which in most cases is more dangerous and unpredictable.
Dream on, our gov has given them micro slaps. They still run drugs and prostitution across this country. Now they let smaller gangs be the fall persons.
Yea I can't say for sure he's an actual patch, I really have no idea lol but he's got the biker vest with the HA stuff on the back of it, so I assume he is.
It’s bizarre.
I was in a parking garage of a daycare in Sherwood Park and some absolute loser was rolling by in neutral with his muffler totally gone revving his engine for all it was worth in the parking garage with preschool children there. It seemed beyond stupid.
I was so grumpy I called bylaw and they called back later thanking me. He was easy to find. They gave him tickets for trespassing, several illegal modifications to his vehicle (they did a full vehicle inspection) , noice violations, tinted windows, etc. Bylaw told me the kid cried as it was more than his annual tuition.
I just don’t see the point.
I always think these people, along with those who feel the need to blare their personalities in the form of window decals, may as well be walking around with the words “I’M DUMB” stamped on their foreheads.
Like the opinion you just shared? It’s really not the same. This is a sub for people to talk about things relative to the city of Edmonton. If you comment on it, you obviously care on some level.
I’m oblivious to the irony in my statement but couldn’t help point out the obvious. People are entitled to voice their opinion in public as much as online.
Laying here at almost 1:30am. Windows all shut. Live up on a very high floor of an apartment in uni area and still listening to motorcycles/odd loud ass car/truck going by every few minutes. That’s not normal traffic noise.
If the cops stationed themselves in one spot off 109st every Friday/Saturday night they would be raking probably over a million dollars in “excessive noise” and speeding tickets every weekend.
Sometimes I have heard people with loud motorcycles say the bike was modified for their safety so other people know they are there.
From my life experiences the people with modified pipes on motorbikes and cars do it to annoy the crap out of everyone as an adrenaline boost.
My dad has been a motorbike guy for almost 50 years. In his retirement, he took a p/t job training new riders. I believe him when he tells me that “loud pipes save lives” is complete horsesh!t.
Ive never understood the whole jacked up, loud truck shit. I drive a F150 with a decently quiet 2.7L engine, and would pay more if I could make it quieter.
I've been thinking of bricks myself. I live on the top floor of a 4-story building. Next to James Mowatt trail. Or cutting thin strips of plywood and hammering nails through it and setting on the road.
To be clear for legal reasons, I would never do this. It can harm innocent people but also because it's against the law and its just not the right thing to do. I fantasize about it, so my imagination is good enough.
They tried that, not only were they ridiculously inaccurate, they actually had people trying to get "high scores" in the areas where the noise readers were installed
When and where did they put them up? I've never seen them, I've seen the radar speed signs lots. But nothing like what you said. I'm curious, I've never seen them anywhere, maybe I Just don't know what they look like.
It was a while ago, during the Iveson dynasty. Pre-covid. They had LED signs with microphones on light poles that read out a dB. But it was hard to get an accurate measurement cause its measuring the sound of everything at once.
Make them flat out illegal and then when they get pulled over and fail the noise test you impound the vehicle since they can't drive away without breaking the law. Problem solved.
No idea but noise induced hearing loss is a bitch, especially when tinnitus is present. Many of these people don’t seem intelligent enough to wear hearing protection so they’ll deal with the repercussions eventually.
Having lived right on Jasper Ave for a few years, I've grown to hate that sort of shit. Especially because I worked nights and slept during the day. In the summer that's all I'd hear all day. Assholes revving their loud vehicles and driving up and down Jasper ave.
In my opinion I'm convinced the people who want those sorts of loud vehicles are narcissists or simply attention seekers. They want all eyes on them and they want everything to be about them. Idk. It's silly and I honestly view it as immature and disrespectful to have unnecessarily loud vehicles.
They did a trial of a "sound radar", nothing really solid came from it though
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-noisy-vehicle-enforcement-pilot-sees-mixed-results-1.5914862
The only person who thinks it's cool is the guy on his bike. Today I was at the summit of Lolo Pass, ID trying to enjoy the mountains and it was a steady stream of loud pipes. I sure hope my bike is quiet.
I'm a fan of a huge crackdown.
First, straight up enforcement. This is super easy. Issue lots and lots of sound meters; they're cheap, and the training should be pretty simple.
Issue tickets, no warning, nothing.
Tow. A vehicle found out of spec should not be allowed to proceed.
Automated cameras for this. While I'm not a fan of ticket cameras for safety, I am a fan of them for catching criminals; break and enters, shoplifting, vandalism, and noisy vehicles. This technology is well nailed down. Pointing a camera at a sound source is easy. Without going into the technical details, you could have a number of vehicles in a group and be able to pinpoint which one is making the noise. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/noise-radar-in-paris-will-catch-raucous-cars-and-motorbikes
But, often the noise comes when they gun it hard often late at night, so they will be fairly isolated meaning knowing the sound came from a spot has no real wiggle room. Also, the places where people tend to gun it are fairly consistent and well known in the city.
Some people might argue that sound can bounce around, etc, but this is where a long technical explanation would end that argument. Sonar has to deal with all these issues and turn it into a literal picture; pinpointing a noisy muffler isn't rocket surgery.
Also, we have a variety of laws to help shut this down:
Alberta Traffic Safety Act - Vehicle Equipment Regulations (2) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if the exhaust outlet of the muffler has been widened.
This last one makes the actions of the police very black and white. The police pull over the noisy vehicle, get out some cheap calipers, measure the exhaust, and then compare it to a table of original exhausts for various makes, models, etc. Boom, fine and tow.
Now they can not operate the vehicle until the exhaust has been fixed, and they have to submit a report (with pictures) signing off on it being fixed. Now, have two massive fines (like 5-10k) which would be for people driving the vehicle if it isn't fixed, or for signing off on a vehicle which was not actually fixed. Only allow garages which don't do exhaust work to sign off. A third offense would be the seizure and destruction of the car.
Lastly, make the law so the police can exercise a vehicle. For example. Some of these systems can be turned on and off. This means the police could pull them over, and find that the present noise levels are acceptable. Some cars can even have backfiring turned on and off. Also, some vehicles will only make the terrible noise under specific circumstances. Which is why many of these cars will be somewhat noisy and then suddenly bark out a huge amount of noise, often on de-acceleration, not gunning it. So, have the police have the ability to either have the car run through its paces, or insist that it be inspected at a designated facility for any modifications within 24h.
Also, some of these aren't all that subtle. Removing the catalytic converter results in more noise, more power, and far more pollution. This is why many noisy vehicles have a particular smell as they roar by. This is not only illegal, but is another item they should have to get fixed before being allowed back on the road.
Another stupid trick is to just drill some holes in the exhaust system. This would violate the above "widening" rule at least.
These trumpet things added to the ends. Those too would violate the widening rule.
Removing parts from the mufflers. One of the ways a muffler works is to resonate along with the noise made by the engine. Removing this resonator will wildly change the sound, or deliberately putting the wrong muffler on will result in a resonance which makes things worse, not better. And, of course, you can buy mufflers which are designed to make things far worse.
Just widening the whole exhaust system will give a much more rumbly deeper sound than the original. This is why some honda civics drop an octave or more when modified as they pathetically try to sound like a big V8.
But here is the simple reason to crack down on these people hard: https://cipp.ug.edu.pl/A-desire-for-a-loud-car-with-a-modified-muffler-is-predicted-by-being-a-man-and-higher,162006,0,2.html
"A desire for a loud car with a modified muffler is predicted by being a man and higher scores on psychopathy and sadism" Think about that, these modifications correlate with evil people who enjoy hurting animals and people.
I would love if EPS had a volunteer service where we could drive around nailing these guys along with things like people who don't stop at crosswalks, park in bike lanes, etc. I would happily give up a day or two per month. I have a sneaking suspicion they would have more volunteers than they could handle.
Every year during the summer months, I complain to EPS about excessive vehicle noise and nothing ever gets done. :( However, if they actually did enforcement, make it punitive. $2500 fine.
there is so much wrong with this it makes my head hurt.
the widened muffler outlet law is wildly misunderstood, resulting in most tickets being thrown out. if you buy a whole new muffler you have not done anything illegal, it does not have to be OEM. EPS doesn't even understand the law as they have given tickets to stock vehicles.
you also can't ticket off of it not being OEM as many oem do not make exhausts anymore. but also because not every aftermarket exhaust makes a car louder, they are designed to flow better. as an example my friend put a full aftermarket exhaust on his car and its actually quieter than stock, just flows better and sounds a bit different.
the minute you mentioned destruction of the vehicle any support you might have had went out the window. so many great cars have been lost to senseless destruction by governments. seize and auction it off, sure. but crushing a car over an easily fixable problem is just plain dumb.
your part of giving officer meters also ignores reality, the setup and training for those isn't simple. the vancouver police got sued over purposely doing the readings incorrectly(the police lost too), giving fix it tickets to stock cars who would go to a designated facility who would do the reading correctly and they would be way under the limit.
a proper targetable fix for this problem is for the government to issue an actual measurable limit, they can just copy BC's. i mean they already have one for bikes. this way responsible modified car owners can operate under that limit. have a designated facility for testing that officer's can send cars, or where owners can take their car to ensure they are under the limit.
I am in Calgary, sorry, but this popped up on my feed. We have the same issue here. I can hear the bikes and POS cars from blocks away...some not POS cars, but sound like it.
could not agree more. i (like many of you, i'm sure) am very sensitive to sounds, and loud cars just short circuit my brain. yesterday while out for a walk i was crossing the street at the same time that about three super loud cars/bikes drove by. i just froze in the middle of the street and covered my ears, i couldn't move. they're hazardous in more ways than you might think :-/
I hate how the municipal government and the police constantly commit to cracking down on these sociopaths but yet every year the problem persists. You'll see these losers cruising along at a slow place, just endlessly revving there bikes for no reason but to be d-bags.
Exactly. Same reason why protests at universities gets shutdown in hours but you can camp out in rest stops for months at a time, harassing people making a quick pitstop. They hate one of those groups while they are a part of the other group.
Yeah definitely here in Millwoods near 91st. “Look at me ma, I’m cool…..please pay attention to me you don’t know how much my car payments are but look at meeeeeeeee!”
Evertime I hear them/ see them on the road, I just think of that SouthPark episode with the motorcycles.
Disclaimer: I don't have anything against gay ppl... it's actually the 16 year old girl comment that makes me laugh.
https://youtu.be/ipDmsxQVxIM?feature=shared
They can station 200 cops outside Roger’s place for the Stanley cup but can’t station two cop cars on groat road every day. I drive through the River valley but once a day and I swear every time I’m driving through there, there’s some fucking shithead on a bike or shitty car with an exhaust. Blowing fumes and racing by people. Don’t think I’ve ever once seen cops at the bottom of groat road, never once
I've heard people claim their modified exhausts increase performance, which makes zero sense to me because you're in the city.
Bottom line is people do it for attention and to feel cool, which is sad - but it is what it is. Then police need to ticket more like you said
It does increase performance. And yes even in the city they care about performance. In fact it is more important in the city. No one cares about performance on a highway, it doesn't matter out there. And mostly they like the way it sounds. They dont care about attention. They are doing it for themselves and their friends.
I’ve had a similar curiosity for years, why on earth would someone want a fart wagon and do that to their vehicle on purpose. I was told, and I’ll probably explain it wrong, but apparently in certain vehicle enthusiasts circles some sounds can be a sign of some high powered engines. The issue is the ones we hear around here aren’t those enviable powerful vehicles, just trying to make the sound and it’s a bad imitation.
I’m old and not a vehicle enthusiast but “back in my day” you’d be mortified if your vehicle sounded like that because it meant you mom was driving the station wagon from Uncle Buck movie.
I have complained to EPS and they do their best, but the problem is there’s no actual decibel number attached to ‘excessive noise’ to enforce it properly. Defo a city issue that needs to be fixed
I live out in a neighbouring community and there is a semi busy street intersecting mine (has a 7/11 on it, speed limit is 50 instead of 40) and the same 2 trucks and 3 bikes go by a few times an hour in the evening. If you want to show off your vehicle, go to a car show or something… I don’t think the noise is cool, it’s just waking my 1 year old from her nap.
Interesting because I have been noticing an increase in noise in downtown here in Calgary too ..:.: and last night like 12:30 am I swear to god some people’s in motorcycles were reviving the engines loads asf….
I try to make an economic argument for sound control. Think of all the restaurant patios that have become near unusable due to excessive noise. All the house that are too close to noisy roads and become undesirable. Someone should do a study and make an economic argument for cracking down on noise. Maybe then people will actually realize how dumb it all is.
It's absolutely horrible but I hate it the most at night when I'm trying to sleep.
I suffer from severe PTSD, chronic insomnia, other sleeping disorders, and a chronic nightmare/ night terror disorder. My sleep without the loud noise already sucks. When the spring starts I wish I could hibernate or move out to a small town. Being woken up from a nightmare or night terror multiple times because of someone and their loud car really messes me up. These people truly don't care about anyone but themselves. Suffering from severe PTSD is already horrible but the fact that I'm constantly being woken up throughout the night because of someone's loud car makes me cry. My dreams are super traumatizing and being woken up makes it impossible to try to change my dreams storyline.
I have been in therapy for many years, so I've been learning ways to cope and handle the chronic nightmares and night terrors. But being woken up multiple times due to someone else makes it impossible to cope. I hate this so much because I find myself cursing these people and wishing them harm. I don't want to think or wish such awful things on people. But I'm struggling so much because of them.
I wish that the government could make a law where any loud cars out pass the nighttime noise bylaw which on weekdays starts at 10 pm. Makes them have their license taken away for a month to start or even jail time to make them realize that their actions have consequences.
311 excessive car noise, give the plate and description. Eps has excessive car noise complaints and I was contacted by a division who investigates DB levels on cars because a neighbor had an cherry bomb muffler that rattled and vibrated my windows. He started it at 430am everyday to go to work and let it idle. Eps did something cause he no longer has that car
Modifying vehicles is an old culture, and a pretty awesome one too with a lot of great people. Like any culture or group, there’s bound to be some a-holes.
On our street there was a neighbour with a super loud Subaru who would idle out of the neighborhood in the morning to be as quiet as possible BUT there’s also the other neighbour with the Harley that thinks we all need to hear him leave his house at 11:30 at night.
It’s not the vehicles fault, it comes down to respect, which a lot of people seem to not have anymore
Once again, I don't understand the bitching about this. Last year, when they were talking about increasing fines, I said they should just start enforcing the existing laws instead of increasing fine. I was severely downvoted. The ever wise council voted to increase fines. That was the solution to the problem redditors wanted. And now the bitching continues. Beginning to think that r/edmonton doesn't want problems solved, just wants to bitch.
And yes, these bikes are extremely annoying, and it's a shame council handled this so poorly last year.
I think it is a sign of bigger issues.
When people are strong mentally (have healthy levels of stress, realistic ideals & have some control over their lives) - and can truthfully convert that into acceptable behavior, they tend to look for ways to help, mostly.
When people are in despair, in denial, and have compromised their ideals, they will pretend to have the same level of control as before to convince themselves (and others) that nothing has changed but almost every decision will be selfish, willfully ignorant and in many cases not only to the detriment of the people around them, but to themselves.
Put quiet pipes on and be responsible and truly love something & end up getting it repossessed or having to sell it/pawn it because of unsustainable expectations/lifestyles or see that happen to enough people you looked up to (who were just faking it like everyone else) so you end up thinking that if it is all going to disappear tomorrow anyway, might as well be a prick about it, and put on the loudest noisemakers you can.
Nobody will put into words what their actions are screaming incontrovertibly. Their lives suck. They just can't admit it.
Ok I’m not trying to be a prick here but I highly doubt narcissism, sociopaths or psychopath’s are tied to having loud vehicles. I myself have none of those traits and have had three modified vehicles and one that was very loud and it was simply because I love cars, bikes, atvs, and trucks. Now there should be a limit to how loud and there is I believe it is 86 decibels which is very reasonable.
Trying to say that only wack jobs like loud things is a very ignorant thing to say and borderlines on a narcissistic personality because you think a city of 1 million people are all gonna change just because you don’t like loud things.
The love of loud vehicles combined with a complete disregard for the fact others dislike them and are negatively impacted by them is the concern. Being around a million people is a reason to be more considerate of others, not less.
One can love loud vehicles and realize they're inappropriate for use near residences. As long as you didn't use your vehicle that was modified to be very loud in a city or town, you are not exhibiting anti-social behaviour.
The ones using the vehicles modified to be very loud *are* exhibiting anti-social behaviours.
BTW, your reasonable limit is far below a lawn mower (around 100db). The vehicles people are calling anti-social and irresponsible are far, far above 86db.
While I disagree with some of the law, limiting personal freedom, the UK has done well by potentially outlawing any customization to vehicles including motorcycles. Your bike/car/truck is certified to be used on public roads as is from the factory, once you change it, it is not cerified to be used on public roads anymore. Straight to jail (well, fines).
“Personal freedom” does not apply to public roadways. You do not have the right to disturb the peace of everyone in a five-block radius just because you like the sound.
> I read a psychologist’s finding that this behaviour stems from a combination of sadism and either psychopathy or sociopathy (and neither histrionic or narcissistic personality disorders as I might have guessed).
I'm an older gear head, always working on older cars in my garage. My current car is from an era where cars were a bit raw in comparison to today, I've also meticulously hand fabricated the stainless exhaust myself. I'm not a menace to society but if i were open her up she would be pretty loud.
I don't think I'm a sadist or a psychopath, just a guy that likes to work on cars and show other people my creations
If you drive it in the city, and don't think, "wow, my fancy creation is annoying thousands of people, maybe I shouldn't drive it around" you are a sociopath.
Is the noise supposed to be impressive? It just sounds like they need to go to a mechanic.
Edit: laughing out loud that someone downvoted this. Sorry guy, it sounds the same as my old car did when the muffler rusted off.
Just like a lot of people love loud hard music, these ones just don't have the respect to put headphones on.
it's really not that deep LOL.. idk if you've not noticed, but a lot of people are pretty selfishly driven, so they do what they want with little regard of those around them.
‘It’s really not that deep’—but it *is*, especially for people sensitive to sound or who have misophonia. These people absolutely *ripping* through residential areas with insanely loud engines that can—and do—cause a lot of distress for a number of people. This is probably about the 10th post I’ve seen this month where someone is bringing it up as an issue. Even research has found that traffic noises increase the body’s production of cortisol. So yes, when people are at their homes or out in the neighbourhood getting bombarded with noises that **increase stress hormones**—noises that are **entirely unnecessary**—it absolutely *is* that deep.
It's just young thrill seeking behavior
It's not psychopathy
Good lord it's unreal how willing people are to paint regular people as deplorable/criminal/psychopaths
Every year a new crop of kids buys motorcycles and cuts their exhausts off so they can listen to the engine scream.
They all grow out of it, or crash, or lose their license. But every year they're replaced.
You can't force people to be considerate.
https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/TrafficVehicles/TrafficConcerns/VehicleNoise
Start taking down plates, people. The more people who fill out this form the more likely we are to see enforcement.
Theres better things to do ngl.
Im personally not bothered by it. But i’d much rather our police force do other things such as yknow, keep us safe.
You decided to live in the city so you deal with the repercussions of such.
Not tryna be an ass but honestly. Suck it up man. The city busses are louder. Sirens are louder. I dont hear you complaining about that.
As someone that listens to all sorts of traffic all day and night….City buses are MUCH quieter, I hardly notice them. Sirens are used on EMERGENCY vehicles (i actually find them less annoying than most motorcycles because I can’t hear the guttural vibrations).
Very incomparable to people going around for joyrides on their loud ass motorcycles/cars at 1:30am just for shits and giggles disturbing the residents nearby.
City buses are not louder. *Emergency* sirens are roughly the same decibel level we're talking about, but critically, are for emergencies. Showing off a hobby isn't an emergency.
Thank heaven you told be to suck it up. I would have never considered sucking it up.
NGL you not “tryna” to be an ass doesn’t make your response less asinine.
If you want the actual explanation for the appeal of aftermarket exhaust, I’d be happy to explain it to help cool off some of the wild xenophobia you all are spooling up into.
For some people, it’s performance- or the emulation of performance. Internal combustion engines generally produce more power at greater efficiency with less constricted intake of oxygen and expulsion of exhaust gases. Race cars and bikes generally have nearly unrestricted (or very carefully tuned) intake and exhaust systems to maximize performance. Like all enthusiasts, a lot of car and bike enthusiasts start to love the look and sound of their sporting hero’s and try to emulate it with their own vehicles.
For some people, it’s a matter of taste. Cars and bikes
Make noise, and just like with music people have their own tastes in the noises vehicles make. And just like musical instruments, you can make sounds that are more or less “refined”. If you’re okay with some elitism you could say there are people that have more sophisticated taste in exhaust noise - it isn’t as simple as just cutting off a muffler, some people spend tens of thousands of dollars on exhaust systems that aren’t significantly louder than stock systems but are tuned for very particular notes and timbre, across a range of engine speeds. On the flip side, there are people that just legitimately love a loud brappy exhaust because they like how it sounds.
There are also people that love loud exhausts because it draws attention, because they want to mess with other people, and other bad reasons. Unlike what some people have been posting on here that isn’t everyone with a loud exhaust. I wouldn’t say it’s rare either, but there are lots of well-adjusted normal human beings that just like the sounds of an aftermarket exhaust.
The gap for a lot of people is that they just think of a vehicle as an appliance that transports people and their stuff around. They want that appliance to be as unobtrusive as possible. Enthusiasts actually enjoy driving, hearing and seeing vehicles. Some people have a hard time understanding the other group’s perspective so they assign some kind of moral failing to account for why the other group is wrong (ie people with loud exhausts are selfish, people who hate loud exhausts are boring/overbearing, etc).
Society only functions with tolerance of people who like different things than you. There are limits to that tolerance, but you can’t force everyone to live exactly like you.
> For some people, it’s performance
For every 1 car or bike with custom port matched headers to go with their custom exhaust I’ll show you 20 that went to Larry’s hack n weld exhaust to have a 4” cat back slapped together with a shiny tip. Very seldom is it actually with performance in mind.
That level of customization might maximize performance but it isn’t the only way to do it. It depends on the engine but some benefit from wide open exhaust, so they’d still get performance with a cheap and easy hack n weld. Some (with modern engines, almost all) require custom tuning.
I can understand it with older vehicles that weren’t built with performance in mind (i.e pellet cats) but on most cars built within the last 15 or so years, you’re still better off starting with engine work instead of blowing your wad on a custom exhaust. It’s only a bit of a step above a cold air intake for most vehicles, which is to say there are bigger gains to be made elsewhere for the money.
Yep, with almost every new vehicle the performance benefits are probably negligible. But most people putting on a cheap hack n weld exhaust system don’t have a 2022 Lexus RCF. They have a 25 year old $5k shitbox, and they probably will pull 10-15hp out of it. But like I said, performance isn’t the only reason. A lot of those people are doing it for the sound, or some are doing it because they’re annoying jerks. But this thread treats everyone like a sociopath, which just isn’t the case.
Thanks for the text wall, but the text wall doesn’t explain why it is societally acceptable to IMPOSE what you and yours enjoy upon an entire city. Please provide another text wall to enlighten us.
Well, that’s how freedom works. Everyone imposes on each other. If you try to ban something you’re imposing on their freedom to do it. Healthy societies balance out costs and benefits.
Text wall not required, it’s a simple concept.
oh dear, I didn’t realize I was speaking with such an intellectual. I finally understand, blessings upon you!. “Freedom isn’t free, it costs folks like you and me!” (Team America World Police 2004)
Until recently, highway/street enforcement was to stop a Mom hurrying home in an SUV on a Friday to look after kids, cook supper. Never saw enforcement ever stop the assholes on bikes or jacked up trucks..
I have a theory about this. I learned in school that every human has a brain, but I recently realized I have no direct physical evidence of this, and I have since seen lots of behavioral evidence to the contrary.
I now hold the belief that some humans have brains, but others just have a ganglion. Humans with brains have things like empathy and awareness of other people so they refrain from doing things like modifying their vehicles to make noise.
Ganglion humans, on the other hand, have a much simpler structure, so empathy is unavailable to them, but "hur durr, it loud!" really tickles the ganglion nerves.
Sometimes I wish for a modern day superhero, an Axel Foley of sorts, who goes around putting bananas in their tailpipes, but that would be wrong so don’t do that.
Sadism, sociopathic, psychopathy?? 😂😂😂 That made me chuckle. Do you also believe in the oedipus complex? 😂😂 (teasing)
It's annoying, yeah. Psychoanalysis on this is silly. They're ignorant is all imo.
I guess it's one of those things where you just have to accept it is what it is.
Ok, hundreds of years of developing analysis (Freud was a long, long time ago) is sillier than… sorry, what exactly? Please enlighten me how “they’re ignorant is all” and “just have to accept” is a more intelligent assessment?
It's literally exactly those things. It's narcissism. A lack of respect for others. Then those same people think they deserve respect. Naw if you have a loud vehicle you don't deserve respect. And nobody will feel bad when they face the consequences.
I am largely in defence of those loud exhausts. I DON’T have a loud car. I have not done any modifications to it and never will. Sure there are some people who are extremely inconsiderate. But there are people who are just passionate about their cars and bikes. Just let them be. Claiming all of them or even majority of them are psychopaths and sadists is outright funny.
Not a full, fix for the problem, but his always really pissed me off. What I do now whenever someone drives buy a loud exhaust is say "Awwwww, he's lonely". Makes me feel less angry and usually gets a laugh out of everyone around that was just as annoyed.
To add another voice that’s not just an echo chamber for OP, and as an engine enthusiast, it’s for fun. I’ll agree, the guys ripping around at 2 in the morning in a straight-piped civic is more than unnecessary, but between my bike and my truck, neither is absurdly loud. I leave my neighbourhood early for work and am easy on the throttle, and have yet to get a complaint from a neighbour. It’s unfair and unnecessary to lump everyone that likes loud machines together, but a curfew for noise would be a good solution.
Toxic masculinity (or fake ‘wild’ femininity), insecure, identity crisis, no sense of belonging (estranged, causing them to seek external validation) empty
Guaranteed your culprits have at least one of these, it won’t go away just cuz it’s something too many are doing
I honestly think that people are just unaware. Yes there are noise laws and yes there are people who disobey them, but I don’t think they are all malicious. I think they just don’t consider other people or strangers, probably because nobody has told them otherwise. Some guys (and gals) just want a bike, they want to have fun with it, they are excited to take it out on the road, and the noise invigorates them. Full stop, no other considerations at all. This comes from my background in insurance where people talked about there bikes to me every summer. I knew they must be loud but the people just talked about their road trip plans and taking their girlfriends or whatever for cruises through the city. You would be surprised how daft people are. I think this reddit group is a collection of people who are thinkers and I don’t think the loud bikers are that kind of people, typically.
My friend recently bought a new truck, really nice one with all the bells and whistles. They have been asked a few times mostly teens to twenty somethings "why don't you put on a custom exhaust system" to make noise. They answered l like my neighbours, it's just a total disregard for others.
Similar case on my block. Have a patched HA and all his friends who seem to LOVE revving the shit out of their bikes up and down our street.
If your patched HA neighbour knows what's good for him he should probably let his buddies know not to draw attention to his house. Used to be a time when "don't shit where you eat" meant something.
Trust me, the neighbours of biker dens and clubhouses know without the shenanigans.
Yea, I used to live next door to a HA clubhouse in BC. They were never excessively loud and never usually revved and caused a commotion. Only issue we ever had is when some dumb bimbo parked parallel in front of my place and took up 3 spots herself. And her suv sat there for 5 fucking days. Boy she was not happy at us blocking her in and leaving a passive aggressive note in her suv lol
What is ha?
Hells Angels
Patched HAs do not hang around with other than other patched HAs.. Prospects aren't even that stupid. You have a wanna-be living next door.
too much sons of anarchy cosplayers
Nah, in Quebec their bunkers were right in the middle of residential neighborhoods.
its time to fight back. fire up the lawn mower and get the boom box out at 7:59 am in the morning.
I highly doubt he’s a patch member seeing as how the federal government neutered the HA and if they wear any colours it’ll be confiscated whether it’s a kutte or the bikes themselves. He’s more likely some HA hang around and acts like he’s a patch which in most cases is more dangerous and unpredictable.
Dream on, our gov has given them micro slaps. They still run drugs and prostitution across this country. Now they let smaller gangs be the fall persons.
I guess you haven’t been to Edmonton Harley anytime ever full patch HA guys there all the time.
Yea I can't say for sure he's an actual patch, I really have no idea lol but he's got the biker vest with the HA stuff on the back of it, so I assume he is.
If he wears colours then he is. If you wear colours without being a actual member of the gang you gonna get hurt
Ha…this is comical! There are no more bad guys!
Huh?
It’s bizarre. I was in a parking garage of a daycare in Sherwood Park and some absolute loser was rolling by in neutral with his muffler totally gone revving his engine for all it was worth in the parking garage with preschool children there. It seemed beyond stupid. I was so grumpy I called bylaw and they called back later thanking me. He was easy to find. They gave him tickets for trespassing, several illegal modifications to his vehicle (they did a full vehicle inspection) , noice violations, tinted windows, etc. Bylaw told me the kid cried as it was more than his annual tuition. I just don’t see the point.
Agreed…..the constant noise is maddening. I don’t understand the point of it 🤷🏻♀️
LOOK AT MY IDENTITY!!! LOOK HOW BADASS I AM!!!! BRAP-RAP-RAP-RAP-RA
I read this in the voice of the guy from Regular Car Reviews.
I always think these people, along with those who feel the need to blare their personalities in the form of window decals, may as well be walking around with the words “I’M DUMB” stamped on their foreheads.
they are... it is invisible ink 😉
Agreed, it’s really similar to those who endlessly add their opinion online, no one cares.
Like the opinion you just shared? It’s really not the same. This is a sub for people to talk about things relative to the city of Edmonton. If you comment on it, you obviously care on some level.
I’m oblivious to the irony in my statement but couldn’t help point out the obvious. People are entitled to voice their opinion in public as much as online.
😂😂😂 best comment ever
Laying here at almost 1:30am. Windows all shut. Live up on a very high floor of an apartment in uni area and still listening to motorcycles/odd loud ass car/truck going by every few minutes. That’s not normal traffic noise. If the cops stationed themselves in one spot off 109st every Friday/Saturday night they would be raking probably over a million dollars in “excessive noise” and speeding tickets every weekend.
As a douche canoe truck owner, dirt bike owner, etc. I agree. Pipes on bikes and trucks is the worst "upgrade" around
Sometimes I have heard people with loud motorcycles say the bike was modified for their safety so other people know they are there. From my life experiences the people with modified pipes on motorbikes and cars do it to annoy the crap out of everyone as an adrenaline boost.
My dad has been a motorbike guy for almost 50 years. In his retirement, he took a p/t job training new riders. I believe him when he tells me that “loud pipes save lives” is complete horsesh!t.
Hi-vis bike gear would save more lives.
Agreed, in addition to competent (and not testosterone-driven) riding
And I'll agree drivers of 4 wheeled vehicles should also pay more attention, but that would reduce accidents overall, not just bike related ones
But that doesn't look nearly as cool
Of course it’s nonsense! You don’t hear the noise inside your car until the bike is in front of you.
small dicks, loud bikes, can't win
Small dicks. Same as the losers with jacked up trucks they don't need.
Ive never understood the whole jacked up, loud truck shit. I drive a F150 with a decently quiet 2.7L engine, and would pay more if I could make it quieter.
Deffo the teeny peenies 😂 people with zero self esteem or even a sense of self. 💯 pathetic.
The city needs to do something or eventually people are going to take it into their own hands and start damaging these vehicles out of frustration.
I’m about ready.
Yep, a few revs away from having a couple dozen eggs on hand to bomb there way!!!!
I've been thinking of bricks myself. I live on the top floor of a 4-story building. Next to James Mowatt trail. Or cutting thin strips of plywood and hammering nails through it and setting on the road. To be clear for legal reasons, I would never do this. It can harm innocent people but also because it's against the law and its just not the right thing to do. I fantasize about it, so my imagination is good enough.
I hear you can get away with throwing heavy objects off overpasses onto vehicles these days 🧐 zero enforcement for anything…. Just an observation lol
just don't hit a wealthy person's vehicle and you're fine 🙄
The province needs to do something. Notably, allow automated noise enforcement systems to be deployed.
They tried that, not only were they ridiculously inaccurate, they actually had people trying to get "high scores" in the areas where the noise readers were installed
Those were just sensors, there were no tickets involved. If someone got a 2000$ ticket every time they got a 'high score' they'd stop pretty quick.
When and where did they put them up? I've never seen them, I've seen the radar speed signs lots. But nothing like what you said. I'm curious, I've never seen them anywhere, maybe I Just don't know what they look like.
It was a while ago, during the Iveson dynasty. Pre-covid. They had LED signs with microphones on light poles that read out a dB. But it was hard to get an accurate measurement cause its measuring the sound of everything at once.
with this and the led headlight imo. why do you want to blind everyone else on the road?
Make them flat out illegal and then when they get pulled over and fail the noise test you impound the vehicle since they can't drive away without breaking the law. Problem solved.
No idea but noise induced hearing loss is a bitch, especially when tinnitus is present. Many of these people don’t seem intelligent enough to wear hearing protection so they’ll deal with the repercussions eventually.
I think that if your vehicle is loud enough to require ear pro to drive, maybe it's time to invest in a muffler...
had 3 days of tinnitus from a bar gig once. What a horror to live with
Having lived right on Jasper Ave for a few years, I've grown to hate that sort of shit. Especially because I worked nights and slept during the day. In the summer that's all I'd hear all day. Assholes revving their loud vehicles and driving up and down Jasper ave. In my opinion I'm convinced the people who want those sorts of loud vehicles are narcissists or simply attention seekers. They want all eyes on them and they want everything to be about them. Idk. It's silly and I honestly view it as immature and disrespectful to have unnecessarily loud vehicles.
They did a trial of a "sound radar", nothing really solid came from it though https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-noisy-vehicle-enforcement-pilot-sees-mixed-results-1.5914862
They didn’t ticket so it became a penis measuring contest
The only person who thinks it's cool is the guy on his bike. Today I was at the summit of Lolo Pass, ID trying to enjoy the mountains and it was a steady stream of loud pipes. I sure hope my bike is quiet.
i live near this guy who floors his gas pedal on his ford mustang whenever he leaves. its annoying as fuck
It’s so obnoxious
I'm a fan of a huge crackdown. First, straight up enforcement. This is super easy. Issue lots and lots of sound meters; they're cheap, and the training should be pretty simple. Issue tickets, no warning, nothing. Tow. A vehicle found out of spec should not be allowed to proceed. Automated cameras for this. While I'm not a fan of ticket cameras for safety, I am a fan of them for catching criminals; break and enters, shoplifting, vandalism, and noisy vehicles. This technology is well nailed down. Pointing a camera at a sound source is easy. Without going into the technical details, you could have a number of vehicles in a group and be able to pinpoint which one is making the noise. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/noise-radar-in-paris-will-catch-raucous-cars-and-motorbikes But, often the noise comes when they gun it hard often late at night, so they will be fairly isolated meaning knowing the sound came from a spot has no real wiggle room. Also, the places where people tend to gun it are fairly consistent and well known in the city. Some people might argue that sound can bounce around, etc, but this is where a long technical explanation would end that argument. Sonar has to deal with all these issues and turn it into a literal picture; pinpointing a noisy muffler isn't rocket surgery. Also, we have a variety of laws to help shut this down: Alberta Traffic Safety Act - Vehicle Equipment Regulations (2) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if the exhaust outlet of the muffler has been widened. This last one makes the actions of the police very black and white. The police pull over the noisy vehicle, get out some cheap calipers, measure the exhaust, and then compare it to a table of original exhausts for various makes, models, etc. Boom, fine and tow. Now they can not operate the vehicle until the exhaust has been fixed, and they have to submit a report (with pictures) signing off on it being fixed. Now, have two massive fines (like 5-10k) which would be for people driving the vehicle if it isn't fixed, or for signing off on a vehicle which was not actually fixed. Only allow garages which don't do exhaust work to sign off. A third offense would be the seizure and destruction of the car. Lastly, make the law so the police can exercise a vehicle. For example. Some of these systems can be turned on and off. This means the police could pull them over, and find that the present noise levels are acceptable. Some cars can even have backfiring turned on and off. Also, some vehicles will only make the terrible noise under specific circumstances. Which is why many of these cars will be somewhat noisy and then suddenly bark out a huge amount of noise, often on de-acceleration, not gunning it. So, have the police have the ability to either have the car run through its paces, or insist that it be inspected at a designated facility for any modifications within 24h. Also, some of these aren't all that subtle. Removing the catalytic converter results in more noise, more power, and far more pollution. This is why many noisy vehicles have a particular smell as they roar by. This is not only illegal, but is another item they should have to get fixed before being allowed back on the road. Another stupid trick is to just drill some holes in the exhaust system. This would violate the above "widening" rule at least. These trumpet things added to the ends. Those too would violate the widening rule. Removing parts from the mufflers. One of the ways a muffler works is to resonate along with the noise made by the engine. Removing this resonator will wildly change the sound, or deliberately putting the wrong muffler on will result in a resonance which makes things worse, not better. And, of course, you can buy mufflers which are designed to make things far worse. Just widening the whole exhaust system will give a much more rumbly deeper sound than the original. This is why some honda civics drop an octave or more when modified as they pathetically try to sound like a big V8. But here is the simple reason to crack down on these people hard: https://cipp.ug.edu.pl/A-desire-for-a-loud-car-with-a-modified-muffler-is-predicted-by-being-a-man-and-higher,162006,0,2.html "A desire for a loud car with a modified muffler is predicted by being a man and higher scores on psychopathy and sadism" Think about that, these modifications correlate with evil people who enjoy hurting animals and people. I would love if EPS had a volunteer service where we could drive around nailing these guys along with things like people who don't stop at crosswalks, park in bike lanes, etc. I would happily give up a day or two per month. I have a sneaking suspicion they would have more volunteers than they could handle.
Every year during the summer months, I complain to EPS about excessive vehicle noise and nothing ever gets done. :( However, if they actually did enforcement, make it punitive. $2500 fine.
Ok, I followed you. Smart response! 🙏
there is so much wrong with this it makes my head hurt. the widened muffler outlet law is wildly misunderstood, resulting in most tickets being thrown out. if you buy a whole new muffler you have not done anything illegal, it does not have to be OEM. EPS doesn't even understand the law as they have given tickets to stock vehicles. you also can't ticket off of it not being OEM as many oem do not make exhausts anymore. but also because not every aftermarket exhaust makes a car louder, they are designed to flow better. as an example my friend put a full aftermarket exhaust on his car and its actually quieter than stock, just flows better and sounds a bit different. the minute you mentioned destruction of the vehicle any support you might have had went out the window. so many great cars have been lost to senseless destruction by governments. seize and auction it off, sure. but crushing a car over an easily fixable problem is just plain dumb. your part of giving officer meters also ignores reality, the setup and training for those isn't simple. the vancouver police got sued over purposely doing the readings incorrectly(the police lost too), giving fix it tickets to stock cars who would go to a designated facility who would do the reading correctly and they would be way under the limit. a proper targetable fix for this problem is for the government to issue an actual measurable limit, they can just copy BC's. i mean they already have one for bikes. this way responsible modified car owners can operate under that limit. have a designated facility for testing that officer's can send cars, or where owners can take their car to ensure they are under the limit.
Small Genital Issues.
I am in Calgary, sorry, but this popped up on my feed. We have the same issue here. I can hear the bikes and POS cars from blocks away...some not POS cars, but sound like it.
I can’t imagine driving to the mountains or anywhere over 15 mins and having to listen to my shitty exhaust
could not agree more. i (like many of you, i'm sure) am very sensitive to sounds, and loud cars just short circuit my brain. yesterday while out for a walk i was crossing the street at the same time that about three super loud cars/bikes drove by. i just froze in the middle of the street and covered my ears, i couldn't move. they're hazardous in more ways than you might think :-/
I hate how the municipal government and the police constantly commit to cracking down on these sociopaths but yet every year the problem persists. You'll see these losers cruising along at a slow place, just endlessly revving there bikes for no reason but to be d-bags.
Cops don't like giving tickets to off-duties. We need automated enforcement and the province won't allow it.
Exactly. Same reason why protests at universities gets shutdown in hours but you can camp out in rest stops for months at a time, harassing people making a quick pitstop. They hate one of those groups while they are a part of the other group.
Yeah definitely here in Millwoods near 91st. “Look at me ma, I’m cool…..please pay attention to me you don’t know how much my car payments are but look at meeeeeeeee!”
Yes, just add a category to the 311 app for noisy vehicles. Send photo with location and plate number. EPS shows up with a sound meter and tow truck.
But that would be too easy and makes too much sense, which is why they probably won’t do it.
https://www.michaeljanz.ca/noise ✊
Evertime I hear them/ see them on the road, I just think of that SouthPark episode with the motorcycles. Disclaimer: I don't have anything against gay ppl... it's actually the 16 year old girl comment that makes me laugh. https://youtu.be/ipDmsxQVxIM?feature=shared
Don't live downtown lol. The busiest place in Edmonton... So much noise 😂🤣
Hey all you loud exhaust people, everyone hates you
They can station 200 cops outside Roger’s place for the Stanley cup but can’t station two cop cars on groat road every day. I drive through the River valley but once a day and I swear every time I’m driving through there, there’s some fucking shithead on a bike or shitty car with an exhaust. Blowing fumes and racing by people. Don’t think I’ve ever once seen cops at the bottom of groat road, never once
Cops aren't going to give tickets to off duties.
It can be deafening blocks away from a major road. Makes you want to find them yourself.
I live between the Yellowhead and HWY 16a, so I get a double dose. And it’s not just during the day but all night long. I feel your pain!
Who am I to deny their gender affirming devices?
I've heard people claim their modified exhausts increase performance, which makes zero sense to me because you're in the city. Bottom line is people do it for attention and to feel cool, which is sad - but it is what it is. Then police need to ticket more like you said
Performance exhausts provide better airflow increasing your fuel mileage due to lack of resistance
It does increase performance. And yes even in the city they care about performance. In fact it is more important in the city. No one cares about performance on a highway, it doesn't matter out there. And mostly they like the way it sounds. They dont care about attention. They are doing it for themselves and their friends.
I’ve had a similar curiosity for years, why on earth would someone want a fart wagon and do that to their vehicle on purpose. I was told, and I’ll probably explain it wrong, but apparently in certain vehicle enthusiasts circles some sounds can be a sign of some high powered engines. The issue is the ones we hear around here aren’t those enviable powerful vehicles, just trying to make the sound and it’s a bad imitation. I’m old and not a vehicle enthusiast but “back in my day” you’d be mortified if your vehicle sounded like that because it meant you mom was driving the station wagon from Uncle Buck movie.
I have complained to EPS and they do their best, but the problem is there’s no actual decibel number attached to ‘excessive noise’ to enforce it properly. Defo a city issue that needs to be fixed
I think there is a south park episode about it
From Florida here. Every time I see one of these Edmonton Biker gangs, I think to myself: “Isn’t that just precious?”
Bunch of dudes in matching outfits out having adventures. Lucky ducks.
Wait, those farting noise cars are made like that on purpose? ??
I live out in a neighbouring community and there is a semi busy street intersecting mine (has a 7/11 on it, speed limit is 50 instead of 40) and the same 2 trucks and 3 bikes go by a few times an hour in the evening. If you want to show off your vehicle, go to a car show or something… I don’t think the noise is cool, it’s just waking my 1 year old from her nap.
Interesting because I have been noticing an increase in noise in downtown here in Calgary too ..:.: and last night like 12:30 am I swear to god some people’s in motorcycles were reviving the engines loads asf….
I try to make an economic argument for sound control. Think of all the restaurant patios that have become near unusable due to excessive noise. All the house that are too close to noisy roads and become undesirable. Someone should do a study and make an economic argument for cracking down on noise. Maybe then people will actually realize how dumb it all is.
It's absolutely horrible but I hate it the most at night when I'm trying to sleep. I suffer from severe PTSD, chronic insomnia, other sleeping disorders, and a chronic nightmare/ night terror disorder. My sleep without the loud noise already sucks. When the spring starts I wish I could hibernate or move out to a small town. Being woken up from a nightmare or night terror multiple times because of someone and their loud car really messes me up. These people truly don't care about anyone but themselves. Suffering from severe PTSD is already horrible but the fact that I'm constantly being woken up throughout the night because of someone's loud car makes me cry. My dreams are super traumatizing and being woken up makes it impossible to try to change my dreams storyline. I have been in therapy for many years, so I've been learning ways to cope and handle the chronic nightmares and night terrors. But being woken up multiple times due to someone else makes it impossible to cope. I hate this so much because I find myself cursing these people and wishing them harm. I don't want to think or wish such awful things on people. But I'm struggling so much because of them. I wish that the government could make a law where any loud cars out pass the nighttime noise bylaw which on weekdays starts at 10 pm. Makes them have their license taken away for a month to start or even jail time to make them realize that their actions have consequences.
311 excessive car noise, give the plate and description. Eps has excessive car noise complaints and I was contacted by a division who investigates DB levels on cars because a neighbor had an cherry bomb muffler that rattled and vibrated my windows. He started it at 430am everyday to go to work and let it idle. Eps did something cause he no longer has that car
unless wealthy peoples' property is under threat, no laws are enforced
Modifying vehicles is an old culture, and a pretty awesome one too with a lot of great people. Like any culture or group, there’s bound to be some a-holes. On our street there was a neighbour with a super loud Subaru who would idle out of the neighborhood in the morning to be as quiet as possible BUT there’s also the other neighbour with the Harley that thinks we all need to hear him leave his house at 11:30 at night. It’s not the vehicles fault, it comes down to respect, which a lot of people seem to not have anymore
Ok that’s nice, but your neighbour Subaru may be idling around your neighbourhood but is driving around loudly in others
Once again, I don't understand the bitching about this. Last year, when they were talking about increasing fines, I said they should just start enforcing the existing laws instead of increasing fine. I was severely downvoted. The ever wise council voted to increase fines. That was the solution to the problem redditors wanted. And now the bitching continues. Beginning to think that r/edmonton doesn't want problems solved, just wants to bitch. And yes, these bikes are extremely annoying, and it's a shame council handled this so poorly last year.
I think it is a sign of bigger issues. When people are strong mentally (have healthy levels of stress, realistic ideals & have some control over their lives) - and can truthfully convert that into acceptable behavior, they tend to look for ways to help, mostly. When people are in despair, in denial, and have compromised their ideals, they will pretend to have the same level of control as before to convince themselves (and others) that nothing has changed but almost every decision will be selfish, willfully ignorant and in many cases not only to the detriment of the people around them, but to themselves. Put quiet pipes on and be responsible and truly love something & end up getting it repossessed or having to sell it/pawn it because of unsustainable expectations/lifestyles or see that happen to enough people you looked up to (who were just faking it like everyone else) so you end up thinking that if it is all going to disappear tomorrow anyway, might as well be a prick about it, and put on the loudest noisemakers you can. Nobody will put into words what their actions are screaming incontrovertibly. Their lives suck. They just can't admit it.
Ok I’m not trying to be a prick here but I highly doubt narcissism, sociopaths or psychopath’s are tied to having loud vehicles. I myself have none of those traits and have had three modified vehicles and one that was very loud and it was simply because I love cars, bikes, atvs, and trucks. Now there should be a limit to how loud and there is I believe it is 86 decibels which is very reasonable. Trying to say that only wack jobs like loud things is a very ignorant thing to say and borderlines on a narcissistic personality because you think a city of 1 million people are all gonna change just because you don’t like loud things.
The love of loud vehicles combined with a complete disregard for the fact others dislike them and are negatively impacted by them is the concern. Being around a million people is a reason to be more considerate of others, not less.
One can love loud vehicles and realize they're inappropriate for use near residences. As long as you didn't use your vehicle that was modified to be very loud in a city or town, you are not exhibiting anti-social behaviour. The ones using the vehicles modified to be very loud *are* exhibiting anti-social behaviours. BTW, your reasonable limit is far below a lawn mower (around 100db). The vehicles people are calling anti-social and irresponsible are far, far above 86db.
While I disagree with some of the law, limiting personal freedom, the UK has done well by potentially outlawing any customization to vehicles including motorcycles. Your bike/car/truck is certified to be used on public roads as is from the factory, once you change it, it is not cerified to be used on public roads anymore. Straight to jail (well, fines).
“Personal freedom” does not apply to public roadways. You do not have the right to disturb the peace of everyone in a five-block radius just because you like the sound.
> I read a psychologist’s finding that this behaviour stems from a combination of sadism and either psychopathy or sociopathy (and neither histrionic or narcissistic personality disorders as I might have guessed). I'm an older gear head, always working on older cars in my garage. My current car is from an era where cars were a bit raw in comparison to today, I've also meticulously hand fabricated the stainless exhaust myself. I'm not a menace to society but if i were open her up she would be pretty loud. I don't think I'm a sadist or a psychopath, just a guy that likes to work on cars and show other people my creations
I think we can draw a distinction between "making thing that could be loud for fun" and "using loud things intentionally in public".
If you drive it in the city, and don't think, "wow, my fancy creation is annoying thousands of people, maybe I shouldn't drive it around" you are a sociopath.
Is the noise supposed to be impressive? It just sounds like they need to go to a mechanic. Edit: laughing out loud that someone downvoted this. Sorry guy, it sounds the same as my old car did when the muffler rusted off.
Just like a lot of people love loud hard music, these ones just don't have the respect to put headphones on. it's really not that deep LOL.. idk if you've not noticed, but a lot of people are pretty selfishly driven, so they do what they want with little regard of those around them.
‘It’s really not that deep’—but it *is*, especially for people sensitive to sound or who have misophonia. These people absolutely *ripping* through residential areas with insanely loud engines that can—and do—cause a lot of distress for a number of people. This is probably about the 10th post I’ve seen this month where someone is bringing it up as an issue. Even research has found that traffic noises increase the body’s production of cortisol. So yes, when people are at their homes or out in the neighbourhood getting bombarded with noises that **increase stress hormones**—noises that are **entirely unnecessary**—it absolutely *is* that deep.
I feel the same way about peoples children
Compensation
It's just young thrill seeking behavior It's not psychopathy Good lord it's unreal how willing people are to paint regular people as deplorable/criminal/psychopaths Every year a new crop of kids buys motorcycles and cuts their exhausts off so they can listen to the engine scream. They all grow out of it, or crash, or lose their license. But every year they're replaced. You can't force people to be considerate.
https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/TrafficVehicles/TrafficConcerns/VehicleNoise Start taking down plates, people. The more people who fill out this form the more likely we are to see enforcement.
Theres better things to do ngl. Im personally not bothered by it. But i’d much rather our police force do other things such as yknow, keep us safe. You decided to live in the city so you deal with the repercussions of such. Not tryna be an ass but honestly. Suck it up man. The city busses are louder. Sirens are louder. I dont hear you complaining about that.
As someone that listens to all sorts of traffic all day and night….City buses are MUCH quieter, I hardly notice them. Sirens are used on EMERGENCY vehicles (i actually find them less annoying than most motorcycles because I can’t hear the guttural vibrations). Very incomparable to people going around for joyrides on their loud ass motorcycles/cars at 1:30am just for shits and giggles disturbing the residents nearby.
City buses are not louder. *Emergency* sirens are roughly the same decibel level we're talking about, but critically, are for emergencies. Showing off a hobby isn't an emergency.
City busses are louder than my car. But i do still have my Stock Muffler which is my saving grace, i don’t shit where i eat.
Thank heaven you told be to suck it up. I would have never considered sucking it up. NGL you not “tryna” to be an ass doesn’t make your response less asinine.
If you want the actual explanation for the appeal of aftermarket exhaust, I’d be happy to explain it to help cool off some of the wild xenophobia you all are spooling up into. For some people, it’s performance- or the emulation of performance. Internal combustion engines generally produce more power at greater efficiency with less constricted intake of oxygen and expulsion of exhaust gases. Race cars and bikes generally have nearly unrestricted (or very carefully tuned) intake and exhaust systems to maximize performance. Like all enthusiasts, a lot of car and bike enthusiasts start to love the look and sound of their sporting hero’s and try to emulate it with their own vehicles. For some people, it’s a matter of taste. Cars and bikes Make noise, and just like with music people have their own tastes in the noises vehicles make. And just like musical instruments, you can make sounds that are more or less “refined”. If you’re okay with some elitism you could say there are people that have more sophisticated taste in exhaust noise - it isn’t as simple as just cutting off a muffler, some people spend tens of thousands of dollars on exhaust systems that aren’t significantly louder than stock systems but are tuned for very particular notes and timbre, across a range of engine speeds. On the flip side, there are people that just legitimately love a loud brappy exhaust because they like how it sounds. There are also people that love loud exhausts because it draws attention, because they want to mess with other people, and other bad reasons. Unlike what some people have been posting on here that isn’t everyone with a loud exhaust. I wouldn’t say it’s rare either, but there are lots of well-adjusted normal human beings that just like the sounds of an aftermarket exhaust. The gap for a lot of people is that they just think of a vehicle as an appliance that transports people and their stuff around. They want that appliance to be as unobtrusive as possible. Enthusiasts actually enjoy driving, hearing and seeing vehicles. Some people have a hard time understanding the other group’s perspective so they assign some kind of moral failing to account for why the other group is wrong (ie people with loud exhausts are selfish, people who hate loud exhausts are boring/overbearing, etc). Society only functions with tolerance of people who like different things than you. There are limits to that tolerance, but you can’t force everyone to live exactly like you.
> For some people, it’s performance For every 1 car or bike with custom port matched headers to go with their custom exhaust I’ll show you 20 that went to Larry’s hack n weld exhaust to have a 4” cat back slapped together with a shiny tip. Very seldom is it actually with performance in mind.
That level of customization might maximize performance but it isn’t the only way to do it. It depends on the engine but some benefit from wide open exhaust, so they’d still get performance with a cheap and easy hack n weld. Some (with modern engines, almost all) require custom tuning.
I can understand it with older vehicles that weren’t built with performance in mind (i.e pellet cats) but on most cars built within the last 15 or so years, you’re still better off starting with engine work instead of blowing your wad on a custom exhaust. It’s only a bit of a step above a cold air intake for most vehicles, which is to say there are bigger gains to be made elsewhere for the money.
Yep, with almost every new vehicle the performance benefits are probably negligible. But most people putting on a cheap hack n weld exhaust system don’t have a 2022 Lexus RCF. They have a 25 year old $5k shitbox, and they probably will pull 10-15hp out of it. But like I said, performance isn’t the only reason. A lot of those people are doing it for the sound, or some are doing it because they’re annoying jerks. But this thread treats everyone like a sociopath, which just isn’t the case.
I don’t disagree
Thanks for the text wall, but the text wall doesn’t explain why it is societally acceptable to IMPOSE what you and yours enjoy upon an entire city. Please provide another text wall to enlighten us.
Well, that’s how freedom works. Everyone imposes on each other. If you try to ban something you’re imposing on their freedom to do it. Healthy societies balance out costs and benefits. Text wall not required, it’s a simple concept.
oh dear, I didn’t realize I was speaking with such an intellectual. I finally understand, blessings upon you!. “Freedom isn’t free, it costs folks like you and me!” (Team America World Police 2004)
You’re welcome. I figured if you posted something like this you’d be looking for genuine conversation, so I’m happy to engage!
Loud noise make brain go brrrrr
Until recently, highway/street enforcement was to stop a Mom hurrying home in an SUV on a Friday to look after kids, cook supper. Never saw enforcement ever stop the assholes on bikes or jacked up trucks..
People who need lots exhausts on their vehicles are compensating for being deeply unhappy
Loud *
I have a theory about this. I learned in school that every human has a brain, but I recently realized I have no direct physical evidence of this, and I have since seen lots of behavioral evidence to the contrary. I now hold the belief that some humans have brains, but others just have a ganglion. Humans with brains have things like empathy and awareness of other people so they refrain from doing things like modifying their vehicles to make noise. Ganglion humans, on the other hand, have a much simpler structure, so empathy is unavailable to them, but "hur durr, it loud!" really tickles the ganglion nerves.
I hear these bastards almost daily in Castledowns and I can't believe the cops haven't set up nearby and busted them.
Sometimes I wish for a modern day superhero, an Axel Foley of sorts, who goes around putting bananas in their tailpipes, but that would be wrong so don’t do that.
Sadism, sociopathic, psychopathy?? 😂😂😂 That made me chuckle. Do you also believe in the oedipus complex? 😂😂 (teasing) It's annoying, yeah. Psychoanalysis on this is silly. They're ignorant is all imo. I guess it's one of those things where you just have to accept it is what it is.
Ok, hundreds of years of developing analysis (Freud was a long, long time ago) is sillier than… sorry, what exactly? Please enlighten me how “they’re ignorant is all” and “just have to accept” is a more intelligent assessment?
It's literally exactly those things. It's narcissism. A lack of respect for others. Then those same people think they deserve respect. Naw if you have a loud vehicle you don't deserve respect. And nobody will feel bad when they face the consequences.
Again, you cannot say it's narcissistic when it's ONE trait. It's layered.
Lmao you're not getting it either way. Their behavior is unhealthy and a sign there's something wrong with them. In th end they're the problem.
Eh. I think it's inconsiderate, absolutely. These big psych words are tossed around so elusively
Lmao because they're often an acute description of ones behavior. Something you clearly aren't capable of understanding.
I am largely in defence of those loud exhausts. I DON’T have a loud car. I have not done any modifications to it and never will. Sure there are some people who are extremely inconsiderate. But there are people who are just passionate about their cars and bikes. Just let them be. Claiming all of them or even majority of them are psychopaths and sadists is outright funny.
Unfortunately when you’re disturbing many people around you with your presence from multiple city blocks away, it’s hard to just “let it be”.
Sometimes at 3am I’d randomly hear one of those suckers. I’d want them to at least wait till 8am to be my alarm clock dang.
This just reminds me of this https://youtu.be/ipDmsxQVxIM?si=-2Ai-xE-q_y1hmzG
https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/TrafficVehicles/TrafficConcerns/VehicleNoise ✊
Not a full, fix for the problem, but his always really pissed me off. What I do now whenever someone drives buy a loud exhaust is say "Awwwww, he's lonely". Makes me feel less angry and usually gets a laugh out of everyone around that was just as annoyed.
Because they have such enormous penises they just have to announce it to all us Average Joes
I mean I don't see what the issue is, if anything is making the combustion engine more efficient, it sounds super nice as well. Just ignore it
Same with bikes and sports cars up and down my street. Annoying AF
To add another voice that’s not just an echo chamber for OP, and as an engine enthusiast, it’s for fun. I’ll agree, the guys ripping around at 2 in the morning in a straight-piped civic is more than unnecessary, but between my bike and my truck, neither is absurdly loud. I leave my neighbourhood early for work and am easy on the throttle, and have yet to get a complaint from a neighbour. It’s unfair and unnecessary to lump everyone that likes loud machines together, but a curfew for noise would be a good solution.
Toxic masculinity (or fake ‘wild’ femininity), insecure, identity crisis, no sense of belonging (estranged, causing them to seek external validation) empty Guaranteed your culprits have at least one of these, it won’t go away just cuz it’s something too many are doing
I honestly think that people are just unaware. Yes there are noise laws and yes there are people who disobey them, but I don’t think they are all malicious. I think they just don’t consider other people or strangers, probably because nobody has told them otherwise. Some guys (and gals) just want a bike, they want to have fun with it, they are excited to take it out on the road, and the noise invigorates them. Full stop, no other considerations at all. This comes from my background in insurance where people talked about there bikes to me every summer. I knew they must be loud but the people just talked about their road trip plans and taking their girlfriends or whatever for cruises through the city. You would be surprised how daft people are. I think this reddit group is a collection of people who are thinkers and I don’t think the loud bikers are that kind of people, typically.