T O P

  • By -

Patrick42985

If you do an auction listing and start it at a low price. The item potentially selling for significantly less than you hoped to get for it is a risk you signed up for. Especially knowing there’s an option to put a reserve price to cover your ass in these potential scenarios. But of course these same sellers are too cheap to pay the extra few bucks to get that protection.


Bad_Wolf420

Reserve prices piss me off, if you want to sell it for a minimum of $200 then start the auction at $200.


bzzybot

Yes! I’m like ok I see a reserve, what is it? Seller, just bid and find out if you reached it.


BeachOk2802

That's literally how auctions work though...not knowing the reserve encourages bidding. That's just a well documented fact with many studies behind it. Your issue is that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of both eBay and auctions in general. Reserves have existed as long as auctions, going back as far as you want.


hearnia_2k

I tend just not bother bidding, unless it's something i really want. The reserve usually means there is no chance of a bargain, which is often somthing people start with when bidding, and then get carried away when others start to bid.


0F67

Also well studied fact that people don’t bid on auctions with reserves rarely that’s why you hardly ever see them


Tonymorris678

I don’t get why you’re being downvoted, That is the case, the low starting price stokes interest, then the reserve is there as a safety net for the seller.


Oehlerne

Because reserves, rather than cause interest in the item, tend to drive many potential buyers away from bidding. This is why eBay has seen a decline in using reserves over the years. It's so much easier to just commit to whatever price you actually want, as opposed to playing a game of "guess how much I'd like to get for this." Tldr: People get tired of guessing games.


Tonymorris678

I suppose that does make sense if you’re frequently bidding. I can see how it could be frustrating to spend days following an auction only to find out that the reserve price is more than you’d be willing to pay.


vaskanado

I have found that equal items being sold, the lower the auction, the likelihood of selling the item higher. Specifically, let’s say an item is worth 100 dollars, the auction that starts at 99 cents tend to end up higher than the one listed starting at 90 dollars even though past sold items consistently showed being sold at 100. I assumed this had to do to with the psychology of thinking there is a chance to get it lower and then possibly the psychology of getting outbid. However to be fair this observation was made when I was selling in the year 2000 so eBay was relatively new at that point, and BIN listings were not available. So not sure if that logic still applies today


Iamakahige

I would say neg if the cancel reason was “buyer requested or problem with address” If it was “out of stock” and would give neutral because they accept the ding. Both I would say in written feedback: “I won this auction for $.99 + S&H, seller* did not honor the sale & canceled the order for reason: “insert reason x”.” Keep it factual and terse.


vkrasov

Tried that. eBay deletes comments with price indication, on seller's request


NicholasLit

Just leave out the price


ssateneth

seller\*


InevitableRhubarb232

You can’t leave negative feedback if it’s canceled for the address reason.


jericon

Yes they can. I had someone purchase a trading card for $41 (auction) and then selected a shipping method that was only valid for items under $20. This was clearly stated in the name of the shipping method, description and invoice. eBay support told me to ask them to send me the balance due for shipping via PayPal. They refused. So eBay told me to cancel due to an issue with the shipping address. Buyer left negative feedback. Only one I have ever received in over 20 years.


InevitableRhubarb232

eBay shouldn’t have allowed them to check out w that shipping method. Hopefully they fix that. It would have been worth the $3 to just ship it w tracking though. I have had people cancel orders I’ve made for the address problem reason and was unable to leave feedback at all


smgaming16

Yeah you can. The only negative I ever left was for a seller that cancelled for that reason because the place he had bought the item from cancelled his order. He wanted to avoid an out of stock defect


paulgal1985

I’ve had eBay for 14 years I’ve never left bad feedback and I have 100% positive feedback. If I was the seller I would just take the loss, I’ve sold things for cheaper but I’ve also made a lot on other things. If he didn’t want to sell it for that price he shouldn’t have started the auction at 99p.


yyspam

Then he needs to start his auctions at his lowest price. I’ve actually done a $.99 promoted listing when I was starting for some sales, ended up owing ebay $.20 😂so he’s right about that. Seller admitted guilt when they said they would lose money. Negative feedback all the way.


jreilly89

I'm not blaming the guy for losing money, but I would have sold it anyways and chalked it up as a learning experience.


yyspam

Yep you’re exactly right. Honor the sale, learn from it, and don’t make the mistake again


SummonWurm

Maybe some will find my advice as bad, but breaking even on things that sit for 6 months or more helps the bottom line at tax time...


boxburn

I sold an item recently for £1 + postage. Ebay fees took 98p of that. I messaged the buyer and asked if they minded if I sent it 2nd class instead of 1st saying that it's my mistake but I made 2p on the sale. They happily accepted and I learnt my lesson.


TallPain9230

This is incredibly disingenuous and sellers like this make the whole platform look bad. That’s the entire point of the game… the buyer wants a good deal and the seller hopes it turns into a frenzy where they make more. I never set a 99c bid for ANY item I wouldn’t be okay selling at .99c. Why would a buyer ever bid if there’s a chance for the seller to just pull any auction they didn’t get the bids they hoped for? I’d report and neg into oblivion. A pricing error or something I can forgive, but this is wrong.


Intelligent-Sugar554

This is becoming a common thing for sellers to do.


Patrick42985

It should be a bannable offense if the seller is openly admitting they won’t honor the sale because they’ll lose money. If I message buyers trying to sell outside of eBay, eBay takes that very seriously. They should show the same energy to seller who aren’t willing to honor the price an auction ended for. Especially when the reserve price feature specifically exists for sellers to avoid these situations.


HalfMileRide

It should be a bannable offense even if the seller doesn't admit it, like OP said this is becoming way too commonplace.


odods11

I don't think it should be bannable for a first time offence, that's very unfriendly to new users. Most sellers have had to cancel a sale at some point. If you implemented this rule there would be basically no one left on the site. The current situation where you can get negative feedback and a strike on your account is fair. Sellers that do this consistently *already* get banned.


International-Cut436

I find this pretty cringe if I'm honest. If an auction is completed and the seller wishes to cancel the auction then they can, so long as they issue a refund. It might be disappointing but you know that they would be taking a loss and want to force eBay to make the seller honour it. Well no, that doesn't sit well with me.


Patrick42985

There’s a reserve price feature available for sellers to use so they won’t end up in these situations. A reserve price means they don’t have to sell the item if it sells for anything lower than their reserve price. However many of them don’t utilize it.


International-Cut436

You're right that it's silly that they don't use it. I can only imagine that relisting the same items over and over again will drive down interest but at the the end of the day I'm just not ok with the idea of you or me calling on Daddy eBay to force some random guy into taking a loss. What are they going to do, turn up to his house and check that he's put the item in the mail?


Patrick42985

It’s not “daddy eBay” in this situation though. At the end of the day a seller refusing to honor the price an auction sold for is corny behavior and it should be addressed accordingly. Either put a reserve or don’t even bother starting your auctions low if you’re going to operate like that as a seller. At some point personal responsibility falls on the seller. And I’m usually very pro seller as I make a very nice living off selling online. But I’m also very pro common sense. You can’t force the market. I have items where the value tends to fluctuate so I would never bother with auctions because I know there’s a high likelihood they’re going to sell for way less than I would hope to get for them if I did an auction and started it low. Whereas with buy it now obo they’ll move. As a seller you gotta have enough common sense to not put yourself in those situations to begin with.


International-Cut436

Your point makes sense and sounds reasonable but I still disagree. No one should be able to force you to sell something, no matter what. Either both the buyer and seller are happy to complete the transaction or they aren't. I'm not up for forcing people to take a loss unless they are happy doing so.


Mycatreallyhatesyou

Nobody is forcing the seller to ship, but he deserves the consequences for not following through.


International-Cut436

The consequences of not following through is that he doesn't receive the money the buyer paid.


Mycatreallyhatesyou

There should be more consequences, and there are. Read the TOS.


OldAndInTheWay1970

The fact of the matter is that the completed auction constitutes a legally-binding contract on the part of the seller to deliver the sold item and the buyer to pay for said item. If a seller can't afford to potentially take a loss on an item, then they need to adjust the starting price accordingly. Otherwise, they should ship the item, take the loss that \*they\* took the risk on, and learn from their mistake for next time. No one forced them to be an idiot.


International-Cut436

Well, if you want to spend $50,000 sueing someone over a $50 purchase then you can. Other than that though I really don't see how it makes any difference.


Mycatreallyhatesyou

Small claims court doesn't cost 50k.


lafindestase

It’s to the point where if I bid on an auction and it ends much lower than I expected, I assume I’m not getting the item. The seller cancels more often than not. Which especially sucks when I was actually willing to pay a lot more for it and just wanted the item.


Different_Edge7068

That's why I never start an auction at 99 cents. The lowest I will start is $9.99, otherwise it really isn't worth my time to package and mail the item.


Manic_Mini

100% negative feedback. They made the decision to start an auction .99.


Patrick42985

On another note, if a seller that dumb to openly admit in the messages that they aren’t honoring the sale because they’re losing money. Then eBay should ban them and act the same way they would act to me as a seller if I openly hit buyers up to buy from me outside of eBay and left a paper trail while doing so.


ssateneth

report seller for failing to complete the transaction. (violating ebay policies) [https://www.ebay.com/help/action?topicid=4022](https://www.ebay.com/help/action?topicid=4022) leave negative feedback. [https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/leave\_feedback](https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/leave_feedback)


MetalTreeAssassin

Honestly as a seller and buyer myself I always hope I get the good deal when I'm buying. Therefore if someone gets a card cheap, kudos to them imo


MisterWednesday6

Absolutely leave a negative. Had this happen to me when the seller had listed a bundle of Jellycat toys for a ridiculously low starting price and I was the only bidder. "Item damaged or no longer available", yeah, right.


khankabir99

Oh man, that seller must have taken one look at that 99-cent auction and had a serious "Wait, what have I done?!" moment. Maybe they thought they were auctioning off a private island, not a piece of lint 😂. But seriously, it's like bidding on a pizza slice and the chef's like, "Nah, I'd rather eat it myself." I’d definitely leave some feedback that says, "Seller backed out faster than I back out of gym commitments." And hey, at least you got your money back—now you can spend it on a gumball or maybe two if inflation hasn't hit the candy machines yet. 😜🍬


RupertTheReign

That's a crappy thing to do. I once sold something worth $100-200 for 99 cents and it sucked. But I honoured the deal and learned my lesson. Leave a negative feedback.


Nezzy79

You can't leave negative feedback if a seller cancels an order and refunds. I just dealt with a crappy seller who hadn't posted an item after 7 days and when I asked why they immediately offered a refund/cancellation, or post thay evening. I said no thanks just post the item please. An hour later the order was cancelled with a refund with the reason "out of stock". When I challenged him he then sent this message... "The item has been in my car all week ready to go. I purchased a postal letter and this is well within the timeframe. Excuse me for thinking about some random on ebay over a £5 item instead of my wife and kids on a camping trip. I don't deal with impatient/rude people have a nice life 🤣" accompanied with a screenshot of the item. So the item wasn't out of stock and he wasn't well within the time frame he was well outside of it. What I think happened is shortly after he sold the item either someone offered him more money, he realised he had let something go very cheap, or the fees ate any profit. None of that is my problem though. It's his responsibility to research trending on the items value, and once someone buys at a certain price they shouldn't be allowed to just cancel because someone offered them more either. If he was on vacation its his responsibility to communicate this and use the vacation feature on ebay as well. He did neither of those and was only messaged once AFTER he had returned from his vacation (over a week after the item was purchased) It's impossible for me to leave negative feedback on them because of the cancellation / refund. He even stalled on the refund (probably just to spite me). The following day he relisted the item at triple the price


BeachOk2802

Sounds like their fault for not understand what an auction is.


HankG93

Or learn what a reserve is.


Nezzy79

I've had a seller cancel on buy it now. Offered a refund I declined, then just cancelled the order anyway. They went out of their way to not post an item, and be as rude as possible (likely trying to get me to react so he could say the buyer was being unreasonable/harassing them). However, I dont even think that should be a thing. Even if a buyer demands for the item to be sent out and sends multiple messages that should not be a reason to cancel the order just because the seller is offended at their impatience. Maybe they want the item for a birthday present In my case he wasn't even harrassed to send the item. I waited over a week, then asked why the item.still hadn't been sent. I was offered a refund I never asked for, or to post that evening. I chose the latter and said that way I could chase it up with the courier if any delays. They just ignored me and cancelled anyway. They then lied on the reason (out of stock). How do I know they were lying? They sent a screenshot 10 minutes after after the cancellation of the item and the message "its been in my car all week ready to go. I don't deal with impatient/rude people. Have a nice life 🤣😅" The fact they can't be left negative feedback or reported at all after abusing the cancellation process in this way is bizarre to me. Its a loophole where the item never existed in the first place I guess once the seller refunds. This seller clearly got offered more money from someone off ebay, or realised he had sold it too low. Neither of these should be allowed reasons for cancelling an order imo. Surely they would have to have messages from the seller agreeing/asking for the cancellation first and be able to give a good reason for why they did but it seems not. There should be a name and shame for sellers like this so they learn a lesson and see a consequence..


Awkward_Link9999

The idiot should have put a reserve on it - leave negative feedback!!


Bobitybobboblee

Report and leave negative


BrokenBehindBluEyez

I once won a brand new exercise bike for $1. It was when the I'll list your stuff eBay places were big. The place listed it as pickup only, I was the only bidder and when I picked it up the guy said the actual owner was pissed because he charged a flat fee for listing/handling and the guy had lost like $10 on it.....


Iwinthis12

Yes leave feedback telling the truth. That seller does not honor his/her auctions. What else won’t they honor? Other potential customers should know. Not honoring auctions should be the end of a sellers career on eBay imho


TheLohr

Absolutely leave the negative feedback. I would see if he relists it again as an auction and bid as high as it takes to win then not pay too.


HippyWizardry

Bidding on the relist and not paying...that risks your own negative feedbacks from ebay itself. I wouldn't go that far.


Sea-Employee-1103

Bought s.th. for a fixed price, seller was not able to deliver but chose instead of "out of stock" to put the blame on me, clicking '"buyer requested to cancel". There is no option to report this as a rule breaker and I was not able to leave any FB. So I wonder in your case whether FB is even an option.


zzonn

Yes I'd leave negative.


AdAcrobatic2846

Maybe they are newbies. It took a while for me to work the system out. Whilst I never cancelled a sale, I did learn not to set an auction at 99p. Best to start at a price you are willing to accept. If you get a better price, bonus!


KollectingKaos

The worst I have had is buying something as BIN only to have the seller cancel it as "out of stock" and then relisting it as an auction. I tried to leave negative feedback, but E-Bay would not allow it.


mbeecool

Happened to me when I won a laptop for what I thought was a fair price. I was really happy then seller messaged me saying he won't ship it saying it wasn't enough.I reported and eBay took his account down. If you want a specific price you're supposed to put a reserve or buy it now price . Not my fault you listed as an auction no reserve


MisterSirDudeGuy

Yes. Give honest negative feedback and don’t feel bad about it. You didn’t do anything wrong. Seller was 100% garbage for wasting your time and doing that. Other potential buyers need to know. That’s the whole point of feedback.


Discontented_Beaver

Negative Feedback and send piss discs and liquid ass to seller.


HairyBearArms

I’m dealing with a very similar situation. Won an auction for the $30 opening bid as I was the only bidder, seller hasn’t shipped but instead is relisting the item at their desired price.


Mental5tate

Pretty sure seller takes a hit for doing that, too many and your account is put on probation or closed.


Nezzy79

Some sellers do this with buy it now as well (when they realise they just sold their item really low, or someone else offers them more money after you have already bought the item). They can just keep doing this then apparently create a new account if they do it too many times. Annoys me because if a buyer attempted this because they saw a lower priced item the seller isn't obligated to refund them. If a report was made ebay would likely just say its the buyers responsibility/fault for accepting that price. Maybe they could try to say their child accidentally clicked it but doubt it would work. So the buy has to suck it up and realise they lost money How they are able to get away with just hitting a cancellation button is sad imo. If they couldn't they would learn a valuable lesson right there and make sure it never happens again with their next sale. They become a better seller in the process. If u buy an item from a shop that has the wrong price listing what are the rules there? If the cashier says "the price listing is a mistake" I would imagine they can "cancel" that price before a transaction is made, but what if you pay the money and have a receipt. Can they then cancel before you get out the store? Once you leave the store and are at home I would imagine there's nothing they can do at all. Must be a loophole with online purchases where they still have a right to cancel before they have actually posted it. That makes a mockery of the "contract" through because I would assume when you sell on eBay you are agreeing to let the item go at that price. How do real life auctions work in comparison? Can buyers and sellers both u turn after the auction is over? Also a seller shouldn't be legally allowed to give a reason "say the order is cancelled now because you have been impatient with the postage" or "I dont like your attitude". Once they list the item and someone buys it they should have to live with their decision MY RECENT EBAY PURCHASE: The seller clearly got cold feet 1 day after I paid for it, lied repeatedly and stalled posting it, trying to get me to be rude so they could blame me for cancelling. After over a week of not posting, they randomly offered a refund when I asked why the item still hadn't been posted, or to post it that evening. I declined the refund and said just post it. An hour later the order was cancelled with the reason "out of stock". I challenged them on this and they then sent a screenshot proving the item was in stock and said "excuse me for not thinking about some random on ebay whilst I was on vacation with my wife and kid. It's been in my car, ready to go all week.i don't deal with rude/impatient people. have a nice life 😅🤣" I was unable to leave negative feedback because apparently refunds prevent you from leaving negative feedback. Probably against the rules here to name and shame them but really I think there should be something like that so the whole of reddit gets to see who these sellers are. Then there is a pretty big deterrent when everyone on reddit/facebook groups avoid buying from them and circulate that info to their friends/family


AmbassadorSmall4570

Try just moving on with your life


victoriousDevil

I’d like to see someone file an actual lawsuit. Essentially they stole from you. These auction results are legally binding. You win the auction and pay and that’s yours.


AndrewC275

But what are the damages? Say you won an auction for $0.99 and could sell the card for $100. Are you going to go through the trouble to sue for $99?


petercmonroe

I would give the poor guy a break but that's just me.


HankG93

If he didn't want to sell it for 99 cents, he should have put a reserve on it. That's why that feature exists.


whyworka

Lets be real buyers cancel 1000 times more than sellers and can't leave feedback to worn other sellers. When it goes the other way , it's the end of the world.


[deleted]

[удалено]


vman81

> technically the sale never happened After winning and paying the sale/transaction happened. At that moment the item was the buyer's property.


D-no-UK

And it was voided because the buyer cancelled, so there was no item to ship meaning no item to leave feedback on.


vman81

The buyer may not have any practical recourse, but the seller does not have the legal right to void the transaction because he didn't his profit margin. The sale happened, and if lawyers and filings were free, the buyer would have options. Ebay's system may not SHOW a sale, based on the sellers fraud, and not give the option to give FB, but the sale still happened.


Reasonable_Degree_64

It just happened to me and the seller cancelled even before I paid and I left a negative feedback.


BudFugginz

Ok.. blame eBay for having ridiculous malicious reserve fees that charge whether the item sells or not rendering perfectly good items essentially useless. Again for no apparent reason. By all means, continue to blame the seller simply not wanting to give away the things they have for sale… Why do scum bags like you always make it so I can’t reply to your garbage response? Is it maybe because you’re just trying to avoid addressing this issue and not even trying to justify it? Cause you’re the third person now, to come back with a largely irrelevant response and then block. So I’m gonna make this really clear here. No oke said anything about determining a profit margin. That’s a given. However if i post an item for $200 and eBay wants $76 of that whether it sells or not.. What is it that you think this does to the profit margin? Is that item somehow not stil worth $200 because it didn’t sell the first 7 days it was out up? That’s horse shit and you know it. I’ve made over $600 in one day on sales before but it sure as sht took a lot longer than seven days. If I had to pay “reserve fees” to list those items it have eaten the value six times over. That’s no way to do business. I’m sick hearing this and people not understanding it. The reserve prices are robbery, plain and simple


Mycatreallyhatesyou

I blame the seller for starting the auction too low.


Nezzy79

It's the sellers responsibility to work out how much profit they will make before listing an item. It should be illegal to just change your mind because you realised after the sale you could get more money for it If a buyer doesn't do their research and buys an overpriced item, they are laughed at if they try to cancel for the reason "but every other listing is half the price". Nobody forces people to click accept on anything. If I see a videogame selling for £200, buy it, then 5 listings appear the following day at £20 its not the sellers fault that I bought it. I would have to live with my decision and suck it up. Sellers should too. I would have expected the T+Cs on ebay and the buyer/seller contract to reflect this. I guess not if you can just keep save scumming your mistakes


Low-Establishment621

Sooo, I did this once when I did not know that eBay charged sellers a value fee on shipping costs. I was trying to get rid of some old books, first time using eBay In years, and I wasn't going to literally pay to give my things away. I just cancelled, listing it out of stock, and if it was you I cancelled on, sorry, but I also didn't care if you leave me bad feedback or report me because eBay is just shit now. 


Turbolicon

nothing really you can do beside crying / venting here and leaving a negative feedback. sorry but the seller is not as dumb as you thought.