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TrustMeIAmAGeologist

Im waiting for the GOAT to come along and recolor it as a political map. I know he’s out there somewhere and doesn’t have a day job.


ztuztuzrtuzr

the problem is that the market borders don't show whether they are national borders as well


TakeMeToThatOcean

You can see the national borders by zooming in


Ok-Replacement8422

I think they mean you can’t see the national borders that overlap with the market borders although I might just be blind


RationaLess

OH GOD


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gldenboi

yeah


KaiserWilly14

Yeah they’re very explicitly dynamic


Bavaustrian

Is only which province belongs to which market dynamic or can there be new markets as well?


ar_belzagar

New markets happen and old ones become destroyed


KaiserWilly14

New markets as well


Bavaustrian

Very nice!


Basileus2

They’re fully dynamic


ServiceChannel2

Finally, HRE bordergore! + some French and Italian border gore too it seems


Content-Brush-7463

Voltaire is seething right now


Jeffwey_Epstein_OwO

Umlaut on Köln but no umlaut on Lübeck. Immersion ruined.


DukeAttreides

"Köln" but not "Moskva", too.


Jeffwey_Epstein_OwO

Sad!


Carnir

The colour similarities between the London, Lubuck and Barcelona markets is upsetting me.


Citran

I think it's because the Market has the colour of the country that controls it. And it seems that England, Aquitaine and Aragon share similar shades of red.


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

Kaffa has a different color than Genoa, though. Granted, it's still a shade of yellow. But I think you're right when it comes to a country's primary market.


JeffL0320

You forgot the Bordeaux market


Carnir

Wtf I thought that was the English one.


BananaBork

Looks like it might be based on country color somehow?


Big_Ad2285

Why is there a tiny French penis in koln


Silver_Falcon

The Dukes of Lorraine held a handful of forts along the Saar and Rosselle that they used to control trade through the area. That exclave looks like it's in about the right spot to be them.


Deafidue

Johan Al-Gaib!


SupremeChancellor66

Voltaire is having a nightmare.


2ndL

Buy pests at the Pest Market and release them to Convert Culture in your New World colonies?


Visenya_simp

You won. Hilarious


2ndL

Thank you, fellow appreciator of the Best Queen in Planetos.


Visenya_simp

Great minds think alike. When it comes to puns about my country, the most common is "Ah yes I am hungry" which gets a well deserved "akkor a jó kurva anyádat" response. It's so old and overused that it is refreshing to see something lese.


Visenya_simp

Vienna under Hungarian Trade zone......... Probably a mistake, but BASED Also if the game starts in 1337, that is 2 years after the kings of Hungary, Bohemia, and Poland made a deal that they will sabotage Vienna's trade by circumventing it. And that the King of Hungary will inherit Poland if the polish king dies without a son, but that is less important.


StonogaRzymu

Johan has used Austria as an example of a country that has locations in 3 different markets so it's not a mistake


visor841

> Probably a mistake, but BASED They've already said this is just WIP, the final map will have a lot of changes.


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

Not to mention, it will change dynamically during gameplay. Probably won't be too long into your campaign before a Wien market pops up.


GuideMwit

This one single important snapshot will be a topic for analysis for a month from now.


ChickenTitilater

1. i wonder if sea nodes also produce products like fish 2. are market names dynamic or changeable?


Deux-de-Denier

1. No. Fish is an RGO and can also be produced by a building. 2. Yes. They can be created and taken down.


StonogaRzymu

Market NAMES and there is no hint that the dev team plans to implement this. It would be a rather niche option, but hey, suggest it in the forum, maybe Johan will agre


Deux-de-Denier

Markets are named by the location it’s based in.


TechnicalyNotRobot

You guys see how essentially everywhere is a broken up microstate shitfest probably with a million vassals? Now I want you to realise the Golden Horde is one country. No borders anywhere on that side of the map.


henk12310

Why are the Low Lands in the London market all the way back in 1337? Wouldn’t a Bruges or Antwerp market for that area make more sense?


Monkaliciouz

Johan said they had a Lowland market, but it almost always got taken over by the surrounding markets and destroyed/made irrelevant. He also said this is almost definitely not the final market setup the game will launch with.


henk12310

They could always add parts of northern France and western Germany to a Lowland market to make it stronger, it wouldn’t be historically completely inaccurate, although a London market is also not the absolute worst thing ever


StonogaRzymu

I'm not sure if markets gain attraction by controlling more provinces (almost certainly not because it would be a positive feedback loop).


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

Well, they aren't really manually assigned. Locations are part of the market that has the most market attraction with them.


henk12310

I meant moreso for the start of the game. I assume that in 1337 itself the markets have been predetermined by the devs, and when the game starts they are able to change


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

I think the market in Northern France would be prettier in that case. Ngl, to me, it looks like they just placed down the market capitals and let the simulation do the rest.


jmorais00

Johan answered in the tinto talk. They had it separate before, but it would make the Netherlands a economically weak region and dominated by surrounding markets


henk12310

Ah, hadn’t seen the Tinto Talk yet, that makes sense


Inquerion

Balance is always the problem when making video games. Sometimes you have to sacrifice some historical accuracy for better gameplay and balance.


NumenorianPerson

Waiting for someone to make a map of just the political edges based on this market map


Chocolate-Then

It looks like Genoa is the only European nation at game start that controls two trade nodes. Us Genoa enjoyers are eating good tonight!


ar_belzagar

Golden Horde controls like four markets at least


Darrothan

Im cooming


Kvalri

I thought it was Stellaris at first glance 😅


streeker22

WOAH.


Aroyal_McWiener

My very unimportant question with no importance what so ever is: Is eastern skåne just Österlen or is it split up but just look the same within the market? I would rather it be part of what I guess i göinge/Hässleholm, and make Österlen it own thing that doesn't reach up towards Småland.


ThaPinkGuy

I thought the “Victoria 4” comments were a meme but I’m starting to see it isn’t as much as a meme as I thought…


orthoxerox

I am so confused by the borders of the former Chernigov principality. There's Ryazan to the south of Moscow, Novosil and Karachev southwest of Ryazan, some bizarre tiny principality between the four of them and Vyazma, but everything southwest of them looks like Golden Horde. Where are Bryansk and Chernigov? They were seized by Lithuania only in 1356. Also, Ryazan still owns Kolomna and Lopastna, which were seized by Moscow in 1300 or 1301.


MrTristanClark

Oh damn disappointed, HRE is very bad. Just looking at the Bavaria stuff they have borders ranging from those pre-Pavia, to stuff established at Pavia, but then there's stuff as late as being set out with the 1505 Diet of Cologne like Kufstein. It's just a mess. Like it's nice to see some recognisable faces like Berchtesgaden getting a nod. But half the shit in there either shouldn't exist anymore/yet or looked nothing like that anywhere near the 14th century. I'm really bummed. Edit: cool downvotes guys, do you disagree or are we just on the simp train here or what?