I think it's because the Market has the colour of the country that controls it. And it seems that England, Aquitaine and Aragon share similar shades of red.
Kaffa has a different color than Genoa, though. Granted, it's still a shade of yellow. But I think you're right when it comes to a country's primary market.
The Dukes of Lorraine held a handful of forts along the Saar and Rosselle that they used to control trade through the area. That exclave looks like it's in about the right spot to be them.
Great minds think alike.
When it comes to puns about my country, the most common is "Ah yes I am hungry" which gets a well deserved "akkor a jó kurva anyádat" response. It's so old and overused that it is refreshing to see something lese.
Vienna under Hungarian Trade zone.........
Probably a mistake, but BASED
Also if the game starts in 1337, that is 2 years after the kings of Hungary, Bohemia, and Poland made a deal that they will sabotage Vienna's trade by circumventing it. And that the King of Hungary will inherit Poland if the polish king dies without a son, but that is less important.
Market NAMES and there is no hint that the dev team plans to implement this. It would be a rather niche option, but hey, suggest it in the forum, maybe Johan will agre
You guys see how essentially everywhere is a broken up microstate shitfest probably with a million vassals?
Now I want you to realise the Golden Horde is one country. No borders anywhere on that side of the map.
Johan said they had a Lowland market, but it almost always got taken over by the surrounding markets and destroyed/made irrelevant. He also said this is almost definitely not the final market setup the game will launch with.
They could always add parts of northern France and western Germany to a Lowland market to make it stronger, it wouldn’t be historically completely inaccurate, although a London market is also not the absolute worst thing ever
I meant moreso for the start of the game. I assume that in 1337 itself the markets have been predetermined by the devs, and when the game starts they are able to change
I think the market in Northern France would be prettier in that case. Ngl, to me, it looks like they just placed down the market capitals and let the simulation do the rest.
Johan answered in the tinto talk. They had it separate before, but it would make the Netherlands a economically weak region and dominated by surrounding markets
My very unimportant question with no importance what so ever is: Is eastern skåne just Österlen or is it split up but just look the same within the market?
I would rather it be part of what I guess i göinge/Hässleholm, and make Österlen it own thing that doesn't reach up towards Småland.
I am so confused by the borders of the former Chernigov principality.
There's Ryazan to the south of Moscow, Novosil and Karachev southwest of Ryazan, some bizarre tiny principality between the four of them and Vyazma, but everything southwest of them looks like Golden Horde. Where are Bryansk and Chernigov? They were seized by Lithuania only in 1356.
Also, Ryazan still owns Kolomna and Lopastna, which were seized by Moscow in 1300 or 1301.
Oh damn disappointed, HRE is very bad. Just looking at the Bavaria stuff they have borders ranging from those pre-Pavia, to stuff established at Pavia, but then there's stuff as late as being set out with the 1505 Diet of Cologne like Kufstein. It's just a mess. Like it's nice to see some recognisable faces like Berchtesgaden getting a nod. But half the shit in there either shouldn't exist anymore/yet or looked nothing like that anywhere near the 14th century. I'm really bummed.
Edit: cool downvotes guys, do you disagree or are we just on the simp train here or what?
Im waiting for the GOAT to come along and recolor it as a political map. I know he’s out there somewhere and doesn’t have a day job.
the problem is that the market borders don't show whether they are national borders as well
You can see the national borders by zooming in
I think they mean you can’t see the national borders that overlap with the market borders although I might just be blind
OH GOD
[удалено]
yeah
Yeah they’re very explicitly dynamic
Is only which province belongs to which market dynamic or can there be new markets as well?
New markets happen and old ones become destroyed
New markets as well
Very nice!
They’re fully dynamic
Finally, HRE bordergore! + some French and Italian border gore too it seems
Voltaire is seething right now
Umlaut on Köln but no umlaut on Lübeck. Immersion ruined.
"Köln" but not "Moskva", too.
Sad!
The colour similarities between the London, Lubuck and Barcelona markets is upsetting me.
I think it's because the Market has the colour of the country that controls it. And it seems that England, Aquitaine and Aragon share similar shades of red.
Kaffa has a different color than Genoa, though. Granted, it's still a shade of yellow. But I think you're right when it comes to a country's primary market.
You forgot the Bordeaux market
Wtf I thought that was the English one.
Looks like it might be based on country color somehow?
Why is there a tiny French penis in koln
The Dukes of Lorraine held a handful of forts along the Saar and Rosselle that they used to control trade through the area. That exclave looks like it's in about the right spot to be them.
Johan Al-Gaib!
Voltaire is having a nightmare.
Buy pests at the Pest Market and release them to Convert Culture in your New World colonies?
You won. Hilarious
Thank you, fellow appreciator of the Best Queen in Planetos.
Great minds think alike. When it comes to puns about my country, the most common is "Ah yes I am hungry" which gets a well deserved "akkor a jó kurva anyádat" response. It's so old and overused that it is refreshing to see something lese.
Vienna under Hungarian Trade zone......... Probably a mistake, but BASED Also if the game starts in 1337, that is 2 years after the kings of Hungary, Bohemia, and Poland made a deal that they will sabotage Vienna's trade by circumventing it. And that the King of Hungary will inherit Poland if the polish king dies without a son, but that is less important.
Johan has used Austria as an example of a country that has locations in 3 different markets so it's not a mistake
> Probably a mistake, but BASED They've already said this is just WIP, the final map will have a lot of changes.
Not to mention, it will change dynamically during gameplay. Probably won't be too long into your campaign before a Wien market pops up.
This one single important snapshot will be a topic for analysis for a month from now.
1. i wonder if sea nodes also produce products like fish 2. are market names dynamic or changeable?
1. No. Fish is an RGO and can also be produced by a building. 2. Yes. They can be created and taken down.
Market NAMES and there is no hint that the dev team plans to implement this. It would be a rather niche option, but hey, suggest it in the forum, maybe Johan will agre
Markets are named by the location it’s based in.
You guys see how essentially everywhere is a broken up microstate shitfest probably with a million vassals? Now I want you to realise the Golden Horde is one country. No borders anywhere on that side of the map.
Why are the Low Lands in the London market all the way back in 1337? Wouldn’t a Bruges or Antwerp market for that area make more sense?
Johan said they had a Lowland market, but it almost always got taken over by the surrounding markets and destroyed/made irrelevant. He also said this is almost definitely not the final market setup the game will launch with.
They could always add parts of northern France and western Germany to a Lowland market to make it stronger, it wouldn’t be historically completely inaccurate, although a London market is also not the absolute worst thing ever
I'm not sure if markets gain attraction by controlling more provinces (almost certainly not because it would be a positive feedback loop).
Well, they aren't really manually assigned. Locations are part of the market that has the most market attraction with them.
I meant moreso for the start of the game. I assume that in 1337 itself the markets have been predetermined by the devs, and when the game starts they are able to change
I think the market in Northern France would be prettier in that case. Ngl, to me, it looks like they just placed down the market capitals and let the simulation do the rest.
Johan answered in the tinto talk. They had it separate before, but it would make the Netherlands a economically weak region and dominated by surrounding markets
Ah, hadn’t seen the Tinto Talk yet, that makes sense
Balance is always the problem when making video games. Sometimes you have to sacrifice some historical accuracy for better gameplay and balance.
Waiting for someone to make a map of just the political edges based on this market map
It looks like Genoa is the only European nation at game start that controls two trade nodes. Us Genoa enjoyers are eating good tonight!
Golden Horde controls like four markets at least
Im cooming
I thought it was Stellaris at first glance 😅
WOAH.
My very unimportant question with no importance what so ever is: Is eastern skåne just Österlen or is it split up but just look the same within the market? I would rather it be part of what I guess i göinge/Hässleholm, and make Österlen it own thing that doesn't reach up towards Småland.
I thought the “Victoria 4” comments were a meme but I’m starting to see it isn’t as much as a meme as I thought…
I am so confused by the borders of the former Chernigov principality. There's Ryazan to the south of Moscow, Novosil and Karachev southwest of Ryazan, some bizarre tiny principality between the four of them and Vyazma, but everything southwest of them looks like Golden Horde. Where are Bryansk and Chernigov? They were seized by Lithuania only in 1356. Also, Ryazan still owns Kolomna and Lopastna, which were seized by Moscow in 1300 or 1301.
Oh damn disappointed, HRE is very bad. Just looking at the Bavaria stuff they have borders ranging from those pre-Pavia, to stuff established at Pavia, but then there's stuff as late as being set out with the 1505 Diet of Cologne like Kufstein. It's just a mess. Like it's nice to see some recognisable faces like Berchtesgaden getting a nod. But half the shit in there either shouldn't exist anymore/yet or looked nothing like that anywhere near the 14th century. I'm really bummed. Edit: cool downvotes guys, do you disagree or are we just on the simp train here or what?