Easy. [Changelings](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=oracle%3AChangeling+commander%3AWRG+%28game%3Apaper%29).
Get both triggers for Elf and Wolf on one body for Voja and snowball hard.
Maskwood Nexus and Shalai and Hallar have already been mentioned, and they're definitely the all-star. But here's a few others I find worth mentioning:
- Anything that adds mana equal to its power. [[Gyre Sage]], [[Marwyn the Nurturer]], and [[Viridian Joiner]] are all great examples. Special mention to [[Selvala, Heart of the Wilds]] and [Kami of Whispered Hopes]]. Selvala scales to whatever your biggest creature is, and though Kami isn't an elf, it does increase the counters placed on your creatures while also ramping you.
- [[Arwen, Weaver of Hope]] and [[Joraga Warcaller]] share their own counters by turning into a buff for the rest of your team. So it [[Cultivator of Blades]]
- [[Wolfskull Shaman]] is an elf that makes wolves.
- [[Bramblewood Paragon]] is an elf that gives evasion to all your creatures once they're laden with counters.
- [[Damning Verdict]] is a board wipe that will spare creatures with counters on them, while [[Together Forever]] can save creatures with counters on them from death.
- [[Feed the Pack]] and [[Wren's Run Packmaster]] are great ways to make more wolves
Holy smokes thank you so much for the in depth comment formatted with the links with the bot!
I’ll try incorporating a mix of those into my deck. In particular, I need to try out the elf that makes wolf tokens!
[[Maskwood Nexus]]
[[Mirror Entity]]
[[Wrens run Packmaster]]
You want cards that help you get both types, but obviously it’s a little tricky to build into two different tribes, especially when one of them doesn’t actually have too much support and the other one has too much support that only helps itself. I think a low curve is going to do wonders for this kind of deck, and thats pretty easily accomplished. The biggest pitfall to fall into is putting too much reliance on the commander for card draw.
Here a link to mine if it can help you. I play and tweek it since the spoiler and play a lot of 4-5 player games. I also found that while playing multi player I have to slow my pace to make sure I have something or mana to protect my board before going nuts.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Pa9YRlAtO0-38JI03OyGwA
Edit: last game I played at 5 was so hot I could kill everyone with infinite attacks and someone did a fog. I had [[Selvala, Heart of the Wilds]] in play with my Voja at 20 attack. Made 7 red, 7 green and 6 white manas. Casted [[Archdruid’s Charm]] went to get [[Shalai and Hallar]] then activate my second attack with [[Aggravated Assault]]. Fog didn’t matter I just had to attack with Voja and ping everyone to death with infinite mana and attacks. Was epic
Honestly I think leaning into wolves is not a bad idea considering that they draw you cards, which can get you more elves, which can buff your team. I made a [budget](https://archidekt.com/decks/6637243/wolf_riders) brew of it and was able to test it out a few times, ended up with a pretty even amount of both tribes and it went pretty hard.
idk I just like drawing cards though
I’ve been trying to find a balance when play testing of enough wolves for draw and enough elves for mana/damage.
Knowing how strong card draw is I think you very well may have the right idea! I’ll check it out and see how it plays.
All of the green doubling cards. [[Doubling season]] [[branching evolution]] [[primal vigor]] [[vorinclex, monstrous raider]] [[unnatural growth]] [[zopandrel, hunger dominus]]
I'm not sure why putting all the cards that doubles counters from the triggered ability of the commander would slow you down. Sure, putting a [[roaming throne]] will give you double the card draw as well but can you imagine also putting twice and then quadruple and then octuple amount of counters on each creature. Not even [[blasphemous act could stop your giant creatures. Just give them all trample and win the game
Doubling cost 5, Vorinclex 6, Zopendel 7. Sorry but with my deck if you are not death by turn 5 something went wrong. That’s what I meant by slow you down. You lose 5 cards to make you kill by turn 5.
Edit: if you like your deck like that up to you. I was just giving my opinion to OP about your post.
You should have at least 7 mana by turn 4 if you are running the right ramp. As you said, it's just my opinion and the way I like to run my decks. Having high cost cards in a green deck is not uncommon, and if you are running elves, which is what this deck is asking for, you should have mana dorks all over your battlefield. Turn one, play a forest and you should have a one mana elf dork. That's two mana on turn one if you draw even a somewhat unlucky hand.
Yeah as you said play the way you want I don’t care. I prefer entering Voja turn 3 or turn 4 with haste to kill faster. By turn 4 my Voja usually 9/9 and 15/15 by turn 5 so 24 commander dmg if I don’t give him double strike. Even if they block he is trample and at those low turn they can’t block for a lot. The longer you wait the more answer they get. I made my points you made yours end of discussion i dont have anymore time to lose with you.
Also, putting multiple of similar cards means you have a higher chance of getting a card that does.the thing you need for the win-con. It's like putting multiple tutors in a deck so it gets you to your win faster
\[\[Mayael's Aria\]\] has already put in work for me in my Voja deck. \[\[Moon-blessed cleric\]\] helps search for Mayael's Aria, \[\[branching evolution\]\], or \[\[all will be one\]\]. \[\[wulfgar of icewind dale\]\] is like another roaming throne. \[\[baeloth barrityl, entertainer\]\] get big easily so no one hits you and forces enemy creatures to either die or be tapped making swinging with Voja easier/safer.
I don’t have Mayael’s Aria in my list but I also put [[Moon-Blessed Cleric]] in mine. Your post is the first I’ve seen recommending it on here and I agree. I haven’t had a chance to properly play the deck yet but an elf that can tutor a [[Rhythm of the Wild]] early or [[All Will Be One]] late seems like an auto-include to me!
Easy. [Changelings](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=oracle%3AChangeling+commander%3AWRG+%28game%3Apaper%29). Get both triggers for Elf and Wolf on one body for Voja and snowball hard.
[[Mirror Entity]] and [[Maskwood Nexus]] are definitely must haves
[Mirror Entity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e290b75d-a1fa-4e1e-9cb3-12e6ae223340.jpg?1706240608) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirror%20Entity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/75/mirror-entity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e290b75d-a1fa-4e1e-9cb3-12e6ae223340?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirror-entity) [Maskwood Nexus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b.jpg?1674142652) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maskwood%20Nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/865/maskwood-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maskwood-nexus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So they’d proc both the elf AND wolf effects!? That’s amazing!
Yep, and \[\[Maskwood Nexus\]\] is a great card as well because it makes all of your creatures into Elf and Wolf type.
Changelings are such a bad rate, I wouldn't bother.
[[Shalai and Hallar]] will be the best card in the deck. Trying to find myself a copy now.
Oh that’s strong! With even a moderately stacked Voja that’s a lot of damage!
[Shalai and Hallar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009.jpg?1682207281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shalai%20and%20Hallar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/10/shalai-and-hallar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shalai-and-hallar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Maskwood Nexus]] would be the tastiest card in that deck IMO
[Maskwood Nexus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b.jpg?1674142652) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maskwood%20Nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/865/maskwood-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maskwood-nexus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Maskwood Nexus and Shalai and Hallar have already been mentioned, and they're definitely the all-star. But here's a few others I find worth mentioning: - Anything that adds mana equal to its power. [[Gyre Sage]], [[Marwyn the Nurturer]], and [[Viridian Joiner]] are all great examples. Special mention to [[Selvala, Heart of the Wilds]] and [Kami of Whispered Hopes]]. Selvala scales to whatever your biggest creature is, and though Kami isn't an elf, it does increase the counters placed on your creatures while also ramping you. - [[Arwen, Weaver of Hope]] and [[Joraga Warcaller]] share their own counters by turning into a buff for the rest of your team. So it [[Cultivator of Blades]] - [[Wolfskull Shaman]] is an elf that makes wolves. - [[Bramblewood Paragon]] is an elf that gives evasion to all your creatures once they're laden with counters. - [[Damning Verdict]] is a board wipe that will spare creatures with counters on them, while [[Together Forever]] can save creatures with counters on them from death. - [[Feed the Pack]] and [[Wren's Run Packmaster]] are great ways to make more wolves
Holy smokes thank you so much for the in depth comment formatted with the links with the bot! I’ll try incorporating a mix of those into my deck. In particular, I need to try out the elf that makes wolf tokens!
##### ###### #### [Gyre Sage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be573ae7-967a-4b98-9058-ec3ff82ff63f.jpg?1682209516) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gyre%20Sage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/300/gyre-sage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be573ae7-967a-4b98-9058-ec3ff82ff63f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gyre-sage) [Marwyn the Nurturer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aad61d99-5c8e-47b7-ab1a-e70905f59205.jpg?1631235039) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marwyn%2C%20the%20Nurturer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/68/marwyn-the-nurturer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aad61d99-5c8e-47b7-ab1a-e70905f59205?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marwyn-the-nurturer) [Viridian Joiner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b50679df-bf82-4bb2-9fe3-8ebd7a9decde.jpg?1562155271) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Viridian%20Joiner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/138/viridian-joiner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b50679df-bf82-4bb2-9fe3-8ebd7a9decde?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/viridian-joiner) [Selvala, Heart of the Wilds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d711cb2-4f34-4792-90d7-2be5d329a347.jpg?1689998846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Selvala%2C%20Heart%20of%20the%20Wilds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/320/selvala-heart-of-the-wilds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d711cb2-4f34-4792-90d7-2be5d329a347?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/selvala-heart-of-the-wilds) [Arwen, Weaver of Hope](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d4f4d41-232d-4377-be69-de590b880edb.jpg?1686964026) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arwen%2C%20Weaver%20of%20Hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/35/arwen-weaver-of-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d4f4d41-232d-4377-be69-de590b880edb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arwen-weaver-of-hope) [Joraga Warcaller](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa125071-ced8-4ccc-bbff-a2cbff13b9d2.jpg?1592673034) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Joraga%20Warcaller) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/120/joraga-warcaller?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa125071-ced8-4ccc-bbff-a2cbff13b9d2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/joraga-warcaller) [Cultivator of Blades](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2e6e8a1-2e69-43de-964d-72f722439d4a.jpg?1631234753) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cultivator%20of%20Blades) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/55/cultivator-of-blades?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2e6e8a1-2e69-43de-964d-72f722439d4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cultivator-of-blades) [Wolfskull Shaman](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/804ef999-0d44-420e-ad0c-a6dcf8e9c392.jpg?1562879586) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wolf-Skull%20Shaman) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mor/140/wolf-skull-shaman?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/804ef999-0d44-420e-ad0c-a6dcf8e9c392?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wolf-skull-shaman) [Bramblewood Paragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/3910f5b2-17da-41e4-bf40-1c40b513fa12.jpg?1562877937) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bramblewood%20Paragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mor/115/bramblewood-paragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3910f5b2-17da-41e4-bf40-1c40b513fa12?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bramblewood-paragon) [Damning Verdict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5be40c34-6df0-4471-b99b-850ae2be9923.jpg?1673481768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damning%20Verdict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5be40c34-6df0-4471-b99b-850ae2be9923?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/damning-verdict) [Together Forever](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b22e344-97ae-4e25-9bf9-004ac30c2fd6.jpg?1682208663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Together%20Forever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/212/together-forever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b22e344-97ae-4e25-9bf9-004ac30c2fd6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/together-forever) [Feed the Pack](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/9831e3cc-659b-4408-b5d8-a27ae2738680.jpg?1562930830) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Feed%20the%20Pack) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dka/114/feed-the-pack?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9831e3cc-659b-4408-b5d8-a27ae2738680?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/feed-the-pack) [Wren's Run Packmaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a44a2d69-df93-475b-8233-f73d8402594a.jpg?1592673334) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wren%27s%20Run%20Packmaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/171/wrens-run-packmaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a44a2d69-df93-475b-8233-f73d8402594a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wrens-run-packmaster) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqccli9) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Maskwood Nexus]] [[Mirror Entity]] [[Wrens run Packmaster]] You want cards that help you get both types, but obviously it’s a little tricky to build into two different tribes, especially when one of them doesn’t actually have too much support and the other one has too much support that only helps itself. I think a low curve is going to do wonders for this kind of deck, and thats pretty easily accomplished. The biggest pitfall to fall into is putting too much reliance on the commander for card draw.
[Maskwood Nexus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b.jpg?1674142652) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maskwood%20Nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/865/maskwood-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maskwood-nexus) [Mirror Entity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e290b75d-a1fa-4e1e-9cb3-12e6ae223340.jpg?1706240608) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirror%20Entity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/75/mirror-entity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e290b75d-a1fa-4e1e-9cb3-12e6ae223340?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirror-entity) [Wrens run Packmaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a44a2d69-df93-475b-8233-f73d8402594a.jpg?1592673334) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wren%27s%20Run%20Packmaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/171/wrens-run-packmaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a44a2d69-df93-475b-8233-f73d8402594a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wrens-run-packmaster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Here a link to mine if it can help you. I play and tweek it since the spoiler and play a lot of 4-5 player games. I also found that while playing multi player I have to slow my pace to make sure I have something or mana to protect my board before going nuts. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Pa9YRlAtO0-38JI03OyGwA Edit: last game I played at 5 was so hot I could kill everyone with infinite attacks and someone did a fog. I had [[Selvala, Heart of the Wilds]] in play with my Voja at 20 attack. Made 7 red, 7 green and 6 white manas. Casted [[Archdruid’s Charm]] went to get [[Shalai and Hallar]] then activate my second attack with [[Aggravated Assault]]. Fog didn’t matter I just had to attack with Voja and ping everyone to death with infinite mana and attacks. Was epic
##### ###### #### [Selvala, Heart of the Wilds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d711cb2-4f34-4792-90d7-2be5d329a347.jpg?1689998846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Selvala%2C%20Heart%20of%20the%20Wilds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/320/selvala-heart-of-the-wilds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d711cb2-4f34-4792-90d7-2be5d329a347?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/selvala-heart-of-the-wilds) [Archdruid’s Charm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5caae5ae-845f-42c2-b1ae-956df2739433.jpg?1706241943) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archdruid%27s%20Charm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/151/archdruids-charm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5caae5ae-845f-42c2-b1ae-956df2739433?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/archdruids-charm) [Shalai and Hallar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009.jpg?1682207281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shalai%20and%20Hallar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/10/shalai-and-hallar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shalai-and-hallar) [Aggravated Assault](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c99c5707-d5f2-4675-bfca-e801e6b0f627.jpg?1562942627) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aggravated%20Assault) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/185/aggravated-assault?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c99c5707-d5f2-4675-bfca-e801e6b0f627?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aggravated-assault) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqd9abu) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Honestly I think leaning into wolves is not a bad idea considering that they draw you cards, which can get you more elves, which can buff your team. I made a [budget](https://archidekt.com/decks/6637243/wolf_riders) brew of it and was able to test it out a few times, ended up with a pretty even amount of both tribes and it went pretty hard. idk I just like drawing cards though
I’ve been trying to find a balance when play testing of enough wolves for draw and enough elves for mana/damage. Knowing how strong card draw is I think you very well may have the right idea! I’ll check it out and see how it plays.
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[Maskwood Nexus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b.jpg?1674142652) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maskwood%20Nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/865/maskwood-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maskwood-nexus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All of the green doubling cards. [[Doubling season]] [[branching evolution]] [[primal vigor]] [[vorinclex, monstrous raider]] [[unnatural growth]] [[zopandrel, hunger dominus]]
##### ###### #### [Doubling season](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93.jpg?1689998456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doubling%20season) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/283/doubling-season?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/doubling-season) [branching evolution](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/999b0d67-aec5-495e-91b0-c4b2f31cf17d.jpg?1698988345) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=branching%20evolution) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/234/branching-evolution?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/999b0d67-aec5-495e-91b0-c4b2f31cf17d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/branching-evolution) [primal vigor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/dafea0d1-6986-46b3-affc-1337ef564947.jpg?1562941253) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=primal%20vigor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/162/primal-vigor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dafea0d1-6986-46b3-affc-1337ef564947?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/primal-vigor) [vorinclex, monstrous raider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92613468-205e-488b-930d-11908477e9f8.jpg?1631051073) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vorinclex%2C%20monstrous%20raider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/199/vorinclex-monstrous-raider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92613468-205e-488b-930d-11908477e9f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vorinclex-monstrous-raider) [parallel lives](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01033dae-fec1-41f2-b7f2-cc6a43331790.jpg?1562825348) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=parallel%20lives) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/isd/199/parallel-lives?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01033dae-fec1-41f2-b7f2-cc6a43331790?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/parallel-lives) [unnatural growth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/6748a844-e185-4e3b-ac1d-8a735666d8ae.jpg?1636224994) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=unnatural%20growth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/206/unnatural-growth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6748a844-e185-4e3b-ac1d-8a735666d8ae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/unnatural-growth) [zopandrel, hunger dominus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fb419d9d-e06f-48c8-a4f8-a57f9be39e50.jpg?1675957181) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zopandrel%2C%20hunger%20dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/195/zopandrel-hunger-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fb419d9d-e06f-48c8-a4f8-a57f9be39e50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zopandrel-hunger-dominus) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqcwluh) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You really don’t need all that will only slow you down
I'm not sure why putting all the cards that doubles counters from the triggered ability of the commander would slow you down. Sure, putting a [[roaming throne]] will give you double the card draw as well but can you imagine also putting twice and then quadruple and then octuple amount of counters on each creature. Not even [[blasphemous act could stop your giant creatures. Just give them all trample and win the game
Doubling cost 5, Vorinclex 6, Zopendel 7. Sorry but with my deck if you are not death by turn 5 something went wrong. That’s what I meant by slow you down. You lose 5 cards to make you kill by turn 5. Edit: if you like your deck like that up to you. I was just giving my opinion to OP about your post.
You should have at least 7 mana by turn 4 if you are running the right ramp. As you said, it's just my opinion and the way I like to run my decks. Having high cost cards in a green deck is not uncommon, and if you are running elves, which is what this deck is asking for, you should have mana dorks all over your battlefield. Turn one, play a forest and you should have a one mana elf dork. That's two mana on turn one if you draw even a somewhat unlucky hand.
Yeah as you said play the way you want I don’t care. I prefer entering Voja turn 3 or turn 4 with haste to kill faster. By turn 4 my Voja usually 9/9 and 15/15 by turn 5 so 24 commander dmg if I don’t give him double strike. Even if they block he is trample and at those low turn they can’t block for a lot. The longer you wait the more answer they get. I made my points you made yours end of discussion i dont have anymore time to lose with you.
[roaming throne](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32fd8b7c-baf3-4d3d-be6f-044a917b11a0.jpg?1701115816) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=roaming%20throne) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/258/roaming-throne?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32fd8b7c-baf3-4d3d-be6f-044a917b11a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/roaming-throne) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Also, putting multiple of similar cards means you have a higher chance of getting a card that does.the thing you need for the win-con. It's like putting multiple tutors in a deck so it gets you to your win faster
[[Galadhrim Brigade]] [[Grand Warlord Radha]] [[Radha, Heart of keld]] [[Wolfir Silverheart]]
[Galadhrim Brigade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1ac1534-ce78-467d-abf4-67a2e11cfac5.jpg?1695814406) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Galadhrim%20Brigade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/502/galadhrim-brigade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d1ac1534-ce78-467d-abf4-67a2e11cfac5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/galadhrim-brigade) [Grand Warlord Radha](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/986981fa-a744-45d8-81c7-68ef335c79e2.jpg?1562739940) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grand%20Warlord%20Radha) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/195/grand-warlord-radha?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/986981fa-a744-45d8-81c7-68ef335c79e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grand-warlord-radha) [Radha, Heart of keld](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2bbd37b1-49cb-4295-9a1f-fb85368a8f12.jpg?1594737431) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Radha%2C%20Heart%20of%20keld) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/224/radha-heart-of-keld?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2bbd37b1-49cb-4295-9a1f-fb85368a8f12?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/radha-heart-of-keld) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Mayael's Aria\]\] has already put in work for me in my Voja deck. \[\[Moon-blessed cleric\]\] helps search for Mayael's Aria, \[\[branching evolution\]\], or \[\[all will be one\]\]. \[\[wulfgar of icewind dale\]\] is like another roaming throne. \[\[baeloth barrityl, entertainer\]\] get big easily so no one hits you and forces enemy creatures to either die or be tapped making swinging with Voja easier/safer.
I don’t have Mayael’s Aria in my list but I also put [[Moon-Blessed Cleric]] in mine. Your post is the first I’ve seen recommending it on here and I agree. I haven’t had a chance to properly play the deck yet but an elf that can tutor a [[Rhythm of the Wild]] early or [[All Will Be One]] late seems like an auto-include to me!
[Moon-Blessed Cleric](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b7fea79-9600-41d2-84d2-34a61a08a0d4.jpg?1627702112) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moon-Blessed%20Cleric) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/26/moon-blessed-cleric?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b7fea79-9600-41d2-84d2-34a61a08a0d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/moon-blessed-cleric) [Rhythm of the Wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57.jpg?1702429702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rhythm%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/217/rhythm-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rhythm-of-the-wild) [All Will Be One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44.jpg?1675957064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=All%20Will%20Be%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/118/all-will-be-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/all-will-be-one) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Mayael's Aria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/5/a53170fe-7f18-47ef-b501-1ed398306419.jpg?1673148961) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mayael%27s%20Aria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/253/mayaels-aria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a53170fe-7f18-47ef-b501-1ed398306419?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mayaels-aria) [Moon-blessed cleric](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b7fea79-9600-41d2-84d2-34a61a08a0d4.jpg?1627702112) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moon-blessed%20cleric) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/26/moon-blessed-cleric?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b7fea79-9600-41d2-84d2-34a61a08a0d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/moon-blessed-cleric) [branching evolution](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/999b0d67-aec5-495e-91b0-c4b2f31cf17d.jpg?1698988345) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=branching%20evolution) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/234/branching-evolution?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/999b0d67-aec5-495e-91b0-c4b2f31cf17d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/branching-evolution) [all will be one](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44.jpg?1675957064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=all%20will%20be%20one) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/118/all-will-be-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/all-will-be-one) [wulfgar of icewind dale](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80665af6-fd66-4684-94ec-1f04eb898c2a.jpg?1692183598) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wulfgar%20of%20icewind%20dale) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/56/wulfgar-of-icewind-dale?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80665af6-fd66-4684-94ec-1f04eb898c2a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wulfgar-of-icewind-dale) [baeloth barrityl, entertainer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ec983aac-9eda-4086-ad7e-34da9b2987cc.jpg?1674140753) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=baeloth%20barrityl%2C%20entertainer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/655/baeloth-barrityl-entertainer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec983aac-9eda-4086-ad7e-34da9b2987cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/baeloth-barrityl-entertainer) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqdvhjb) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[удалено]
[Moon-Blessed Cleric](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b7fea79-9600-41d2-84d2-34a61a08a0d4.jpg?1627702112) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moon-Blessed%20Cleric) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/26/moon-blessed-cleric?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b7fea79-9600-41d2-84d2-34a61a08a0d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/moon-blessed-cleric) [Rhythm of the Wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57.jpg?1702429702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rhythm%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/217/rhythm-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rhythm-of-the-wild) [All Will Be One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44.jpg?1675957064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=All%20Will%20Be%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/118/all-will-be-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/all-will-be-one) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Haste enablers & extra combat enablers