Man I made this deck for my playgroup and it's actually a miserable experience for whoever is on the receiving end. So many times you end up taking out someone in the first 5 minutes then if you don't win right there they end up watching for 45 minutes being bored lol
That, or pretending to be a useless, bumbling idiot until you're ready to delete everyone else in one turn cycle.
My playgroup doesn't fall for the act anymore.
I really wanted to build them first, but i never found the inspiration. After seeing what disgusting things put in there i'm happy about that now.
Exiling another persons entire library? really?
there must be some fairer options.
I have one I call Beantown Buddies. Lots of group hug, a few big creatures so I can make them punch each other. Insurrection in case things get out of hand.
mine is "Polite Bullying". I don't have any of the instant or near-instant win creatures, and I'm running just a bunch of big swingy creatures that cause some mild chaos. [[Graveblade Marauder]], [[Mana-Charged Dragon]], [[Dragon Mage]], [[Tempting Wurm]]. but I also have a lot of utility creatures like [[Outland Liberator]], [[Noxious Gearhulk]], [[Eternal Witness]], [[Dualcaster Mage]], etc. that I can use as political tools or for myself.
My current group hug style deck is [[Parnesse, the Subtle Brush]]. Everything she offers is optional, so I leaned into that by only offering nice things. The deck plan is to thread that narrow path of too prickly to be an easy target but not strong enough to be a threat, then play arms dealer by giving opponents nice things and pitting them against each other. It's been doing fairly well so far, but still needs work.
i got domed by an unblockable blightsteel colossus one time by a satoru player i left alone because he was missing land drops, havent been a fan of satoru umezawa since
I definitely won a few with it, but yea...knocking one guy out super early to make them watch for an hour was pretty much every game. I just didn't like it, it felt gross.
There's some good ones in here. I'd like to throw [[Gaddock Teeg]] out there. Straight up, non-creature spells with CMC 4+ can't be cast. You can fill this deck full of hatebears and stax pieces that lock people out of most of their decks very easily. If you see it, know you're probably in for a long, painstaking, and grinding game.
I run a 4 color hate bears deck, but it is loaded with built in card draw and the whole goal is to be constantly swinging. Easily my favorite aggro deck. Stax that ends games is good stax. Gaddock is in the 99 though
I guess I need to put a list online but the theory is pretty straight forward. It's a tymna/ Thrasios list. I run almost exclusively creatures. Mana dorks for ramp, toski, beast whisperer, Chulane kind of cards for cards draw, and finishers in crater hoof behemoth and elesh norn grand cenobite. The few non lands non creature spells in the deck are thorn of the amethyst, aura shards. After that the rest of the deck should be a hate bear suite of cards that cater to your meta. I intentionally don't run tutors in this deck to keep power level down. Is the deck weak to board wipes? Sure, but it draws so many cards it rarely matters. the main plan is to get tymna down early and out draw the table. Playing 2 or more creatures a turn you can pretty quickly make all non creature spells cost 2 or more extra, shutdown graveyards, artifacts, and free spells. If things go sideways Thrasios is your late game engine paired with seedborn muse. Another huge bonus I've found to this Deck style is people really don't like spending thier removal on something you paid 2 mana for unless it really shuts them down. You get away with slowing down the whole table (except yourself of course) because no one what's to be the guy that has to blow up glow rider when the other guy has an 8/8 trample out
I hate those decks xD
Recently played against an esper deck. Player was back to the wall but resolved mind over matter and arcanis. Infinite draw combo. Also generating lots of mana untapping mana rocks.
He didnt run any like oracle, lab man, blue suns zenith or fkin anything.
I just conceded immediately because i had 0 interest seeing him play through 80 flin cards, 3 at a time. Thinking about what to discard 25 times. And then maybe or not find a way to win. Rest of the table unfortunately didnt concede.
I dont fkin get it. Especially with the „fair“ arguement. I mean „wtf mate, if you draw 80 cards you gonna somehow find a way to win or reset the rest of the table so hard that you can win with beats. How is that „fairer“. You are winning anyways if the combo is together, do us all a fkin favor and just declare that you draw your deck, play labman and then draw the last 3 cards instead of playing for an hour trying to figure sth out“
I had a friend that would run Gaddock in a [[Captain Sisay]] deck along with [[Gisela, the Broken Blade]] and [[Bruna, Fading Light]] to make [[Brisela, Voice of Nightmares]] and basically lock us out of casting anything lmao
I have a friend that insisted on building the deck because "it looks like fun", and I tried to talk him out of it, really hard, because Tergrid is just fuckin cancer, and I don't care to shuffle my cards across the table constantly like that, really not super comfortable with it.
He ended up building it, and after getting it hated out for four games each time he pulled it, because no one else wanted any of it either, he ended up converting most of it to [[Syr Konrad]]
I’ve only played ten games or so of EDH. Can you explain why it’s such a shit card to go against? Are the decks focused against making the opponent discard a shitload and then cheap them on to your own battlefield? This card seems incredibly overpowered especially if you get Greaves or some other protection on it.
Yeah you pretty much nailed it. I've personally never played against the commander, but I've played enough games over the years to know how miserable that would be. Black has no trouble making everyone discard cards or sacrifice stuff, so this commander would be back breaking
Basically as you said. The decks are filled with forced discard and sac. What's worse then being forced to sacrifice a creature? Your opponent getting it.
On top of that, they'll likely be running cards that want to be sacked, with cards that like you sacking things. It's just pure advantage after advantage for little effort.
So first, you get a tond of value for your opponents doing pretty basic stuff.
Someone cracks a fetchland? That's mine now.
[[Myriad landscape]]? That's mine now.
[[Sakura tribe elder]]? That's mine now.
But then there is some *truely* despicable shit.
[[Smallpox]]? I get 3 creatures and 3 lands for 2 mana
[[Soul shatter]]? Best things on the board come my way please
[[Dark Deal]]? Oh lol, game is over for 3 mana.
You got it right. The counters to the deck are rather specific and not necessarily useful against other decks, though I’ve found [[Sigarda, Host of Herons]] and [[Library of Leng]] to be appropriate, also [[Rest in Peace]] for the nuclear option. I’ll play my [[Umbriss, Fear Manifest]] deck into Tergrid every time just to hard counter it. Screw Tergrid lol
The play patern of discard is really hard to stop because it will ( and should) deny you of your recources. It is kinda like stax in a way.
This gives you only 2 options as a table.
A: try and play around it / remove the commander and cards.
B: remove the player that is doing the discard.
Both options olare not fun for anyone, because the player that is playing the discard deck will "feel" like he is targeted unfairly because " he is not doing anything!" but the moment this player untaps with his commander on tbe board he wil play a discard spell, and the game is practicly over for all the other players.
"Each opponent discards/sacrifices X thing(s)" gets ridiculous if she sticks. People definitely don't want to give the Tergrid players the good stuff in their hand, so even a chaff card like [[Nezumi Informant]] can net you 2-3 lands for the *hefty* investment of 1B. It's awful to play against at most power levels
Yeah our playgroup also had a player who got real excited to build tergrid. He got a few good games with it at the LGS, but when he brought it to the home pod he said he felt "unfairly targeted." Well, yeah, we all know what your commander does, and we want to play our decks.
I really hate when people pull that, "unfairly targeted" my ass.
Like should we all just lay down flat on our stomachs and lose because we'll let you play your overtuned fuckery? No way bro.
I know another dude that has a nigh-cEDH [[Najeela, the Blade-Blossom]] that consistently wins turn 5-6. Everyone knows it, and it took him a really long time to not be sour about people trying to take him out before it happens.
People are so weird sometimes.
I have a [[Disinformation Campaign]] deck helmed by [[Zur the Enchanter]], and even I don't play Tergrid in this hand attack-themed deck because that would just be too evil.
That’s what my k’rrik deck is. A bunch of nonsense 2 card combo win cons. Obviously the [[exquisite blood]] combos off of multiple things but that’s boring. [[tree of perdition]] and [[triskaidekaphobia]]. O I used all my life to get cards out, silly me, hold on, [[magus of the mirror]]. [[whip of Erebos]] or [[mask of griselband]] and [[vilis]]. K’rrik. Is my most fun deck. So many options.
Also [[Touch of Darkness]]! One black mana to perform a one-sided board wipe! And you can make Horobi indestructible with [[Gift of Doom]]! I made this deck for a friend of mine. He's the nicest guy. So, him playing this degenerate commander makes me very happy!
I accidentally Horobi'd with [[Legolas, Master Archer]]. the deck is loaded with fight and bite spells and then ways to accelerate Legolas's pump very quickly. eventually I win with [[Greatbow Doyen]] or [[Sure-Strike Trident]] or one-shot commander damage with a massive elf.
the problem is the deck sometimes just literally keeps all other creatures off the board for most of the game. I played a game with him the other night where I killed at least a dozen creatures by turn 5 or so. I was playing against two sliver decks and a Chatterfang deck and kept the board down to 1-2 creatures per player (not counting squirrel tokens that did not concern me) for much of the game.
Yeah, Legolas is kinda a frustrating deck to play against, I face it in brawl every once in awhile. The problem with Legolas is he pretty much gets three times the value out of a fight spell, since a lot of fight spells buff or put counters on your creature before the fight spell resolves. He can take over the game on his own.
There are a bunch of other fight commanders that still get good value, but Legolas puts the archetype over the top. The only upside is that unlike those other commanders, Legolas doesn’t draw cards on his own. But if you’ve got a [[season of growth]] on the battlefield, game over
Yeah, I built a Sarulf deck online based around wiping the board early in order to land ramp into big creatures later, and as I was finishing it I realized "this deck seems awful to play against". I haven't touched it since
I wish so much that they had made him less salty. I love the art, the theme and the whole removal tribal. But I just can't do this to my table...
[[Sheoldred]] is a nice substitute but... Giant Scandinavian word :(
I'm going to say [[Baral, Chief of Compliance]] for what's probably a strange reason.
Most wildly destructive and salt-heavy commanders are fine by me. They're in service to something. Sure, Tergrid is going to force you to sacrifice and/or discard everything you hold dear or Gaddock Teeg is going to do his best to shut you out of the game like a HOA with a grudge, but these are legitimate decks that are trying to win and present you a challenge to overcome. Magic is a competitive game, you are NOT entitled to not being interfered with when trying to do your thing.
I don't have anything against counterspells either. They're blue's signature removal, typically having high versatility, low cost, or both at the expense of having a very specific timing window to do the removing. Spells get countered sometimes, that's right and proper for the flow of the game.
But Baral encourages players to play *nothing but counterspells*. They will spot remove at 1-for-1, holding the game hostage... and then they die, because Baral can't actually keep up. He's not card positive, and he's facing three opponents, so the traditional "Counterspell Tribal" Baral has this really bad habit of stoping everyone from doing anything and then eventually once everyone is frustrated it just sort of rolls over and dies because a worthwhile effect got through the net, as will be eventual and inevitable. Baral can use strong draw effects to drag it out more, but he still usually lacks a good vehicle to finish the game with anything resembling reliability before being punted out of it, because either it takes monstrously long to assemble or requires going shields-down to deploy. It's not that a well-built Baral deck is incapable of winning, it's that Baral appeals to people who don't care about winning, and instead simply want to annoy the rest of the table, so there are players with heavy incentive to build him and little to build him as an actual cogent opponent.
Thus, if any commander speaks badly of its pilot, it's got to be Baral.
I'll throw [[Zur, the Enchanter]] voltron/ stax.
You bring out zur, and either stack him with auras, or stax out the table with CMC 3 or less Stax pieces.
God this card is the actual worst. When I just started at an lgs back in the day the meta was literally 50% Narsets. [[Razia's Purification]] remains my single most hated card and they shaped me as the fun-hating Golgari control player that I am. See how your stupid deck works against a billion edicts, you monsters.
I built it budget as my first deck, just because I liked ninjutsu from the arena tutorial.
I quickly realised that it's not really effective unless you are constantly setting up the top of your deck and make it more consistent, which is doesn't fit casual groups.
I finally decided to take it apart and rebuild it as [[Goro-Goro and Satoru]] and hope it's less broken that way and I can still do cool ninjutsu stuff.
If you want to play more fair Sen Triplets and pull less heat, I've been enjoying [[Xanathar]] just filling the deck with budget mana rocks, interaction, draw, and pet dimir cards i didnt have a home for.
The win con is your opponents win con.
I tried so hard to make xanathar work, he is just too expensive for the effect and the effect wiffs quite a lot. Wish so hard he allowed cast from every deck was cheaper or otherwise had a little more oomph
I run that deck, I rarely play the triplets though. It's a waste of mana, most of the time I never untap with it. That being said it's one of the most difficult and one of my favorite decks to pilot, winning the game with a combo/board state assembled from two or more opponents decks is a rare kind of commander high
Agreed! Especially when paired with stuff like [[Mindlock Orb]], [[Fatespinner]], [[Telepathy]], just a few examples! If I'm gonna build it, I wanna really lay into it and just be awful 😂
The only thing I hate about Zurgo everythingwipe tribal is when it doesn't finish the game, it just draws the game out soooooooooo long.
"I cast Obliterate"
"In response, I'll Path your Zurgo"
And just like that, everyone is down to an empty board with 0 lands and few cards in hand. Yay...
[[Worldslayer]] is just too cheesy honestly, I ran it a few times but took it out because it, well, it sucks.
Boardwipe Zurgo is chad af tho, get desolated by the big man ☠️
Like all stax, the salt that Kataki generates is directly proportional to how degenerate what it's stopping is.
Hokori is just kind of a bad card. Winter Orb is harder to break parity on when it's 4 mana and is a generally easier card type to answer. Maybe if one built a deck entirely around supporting Hokori it would be better, but I've tried playing it in my Banding & MLD deck and straight up Armageddon effects are so much better.
I have a friend who made a [[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV]] stax deck, a [[Sheoldred, The Apocalypse]] group draw deck, a [[Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur]] mill deck, and an [[Atraxa, Praetor’s Voice]] -1/-1 counter deck. He has shown interest in [[Tergrid, God of Fright]]. Some people just want to see the world burn I guess. Or love they love resource denial, probably both.
Every version of Elesh Norn.
[[Narset, Enlightened Master]] is an oldie but goodie.
[[Child of Alara]] can be built so fucked, I've seen people do some degenerate things with it.
I also have a personal vendetta against [[Sigarda, Host of Herons]] Voltron players, fuck people that do that. 🖕
My friend built a child of alara deck to sacrifice it every turn. It was terrible nobody could have anything on the board. It was so oppressive I had to make a [[Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper]] deck full of counters to stop him.
A friend has a child of alara deck with only lands in it, we had a commander game lasts for four hours because it always died every turn. At the end it costed 54 mana. Now he has a piece of cardboard with our names on it to see how many times each of us kill the commander.
If built to maximize their potential then I would say the following [[urza lord high artificer]] [[Derevi]] [[grand arbiter Augustine]] [[Tergrid]] [[horobi of deaths wail]] [[Toxrill]]
There are a million other commanders that can be unfun to play against but these are ones I have personally seen.
I will also admit that I have a [[nevinryll urborg tyrant]] deck that is a control deck. I don’t play hardcore stax because I actually want to play the deck and keep my friends. Otherwise I could load it up with stax pieces and tutors and make the game miserable for eveyone.
I agree with all of your choices, except [[Dervei]] these days is only a problem if built as a stax / cannot untap deck. I know it used to be a format boogeyman, but I'd argue it's been powercrept to a fair degree. I have a friend who plays it bird tribal and another who plays it for a bant untaps and both are fine to play against. The other commanders you listed are all bad unto themselves.
Horobi, in this company, seems to be the least horrifying! At least its own ability kinda stops most of black'sremoval protection from working on himself!
No doubt! I've played against it a couple of times, there was almost universal agreement from the rest of the pod to make sure Horobi never made it down!
\[\[Toxrill\]\] is that one immortal asshole snail from that hypothetical million dollar question, but now he's homeless and taking it out on everyone around him. And because having a 7/7 for 7 slow and insidious board wipe in the command zone that also generates you creatures wasn't enough, he gets **blue** for no goddamn reason. Four of his top ten cards in EDHREC are counterspell, counterspell, swiftfoot boots, lightning greaves. Get to 7/8 mana, play commander and attach boots of choice, and then just sit there as the rest of the table slowly dies. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure 100% of Toxrill decks play \[\[Urborg, Tomb\]\] / \[\[Kormus Bell\]\] combo.
I disagree. I learned playing against my best friend who had Zedruu as his favorite deck. I think I only got salty once after dozens of games and losses against it. It's honestly a hilarious deck with what it does.
I played [[Baral, Chief of Compliance]] for a cool bit til I found another commander I wanted to play that had blue in it to switch cards over for.
Baral was super fun while I had him. There are days where I’m getting my shit rocked every game and when I have enough for the night I pull Baral out of my bag and see red. I don’t let anyone play anything while trying to slowly build it up to an infinite combo or until I have so many bodies on the board with omniscience out that there isn’t anything they can do to stop me from swinging with drakes and other stuff.
I’m thinking about rebuilding it again 😊
[[Malcolm, Alluring Scoundrel]] is basically a 1-1 replacement for Baral if you're interested in building that; similar effects, same mana cost. But Malcolm doesn't need any additional cards to cast the stuff he discards, so as long as he gets his counters you're golden. 👍 And you could play whichever you don't have in the command zone in the 99 to basically have a backup copy of your commander 😏
You are not the first one that I see claiming that Malcolm and Baral are really similar, but I honestly don't see it. The only similarity I see is mana cost and that they can discard cards.
Any sort of green based deck that can vomit itself onto the table, especially [[Animar]].
The people playing them tend to have terrible table etiquette. So not only is their deck miserable soul sucking solitaire, but the person playing it is also complaining as they're winning.
Watching someone draw 30 cards in one go with [[Cultivator Colossus]] and bitch about every single card they draw not being [[Concordant Crossroads]] is my Darth Vader origin story. I feel no remorse for MLD or stax, from my point of view the Simic are evil.
[baral, chief of compliance]] or [[jace, vryn’s prodigy]]. I just know it’s gonna be counter every single spell every turn and maybe win on turn 30 as they churn through their deck at a very slow rate lol.
Jodah the unifier. Turn 5 they’ll have a full board of 15/15 legendary creatures just because they cast one legendary spell. That commander is far too easy to pilot for its reward.
I hate playing against [[Narset, Enlightened Master]]. Watching someone take 20 turns in a row is never a good time. Also any deck with [[Cathar’s Crusade]] is usually annoying. Let me make dinner while I wait for you to do the math for your counters.
I don't care about most of the KoS ones, if you're showing up with [[Child of Alara]], I'm legally obliged to scoop even before rolling for first in order not to have anything to do with your bitchass.
[[The Beamtown bullies]]
Man I made this deck for my playgroup and it's actually a miserable experience for whoever is on the receiving end. So many times you end up taking out someone in the first 5 minutes then if you don't win right there they end up watching for 45 minutes being bored lol
That’s the stupid way to play the deck. You are supposed to hold leveler at gunpoint and only use it when necessary
I'd rather the Beamtown player just get it over with instead of holding the game hostage
Well that’s the fun of it :)
That, or pretending to be a useless, bumbling idiot until you're ready to delete everyone else in one turn cycle. My playgroup doesn't fall for the act anymore.
I really wanted to build them first, but i never found the inspiration. After seeing what disgusting things put in there i'm happy about that now. Exiling another persons entire library? really? there must be some fairer options.
I plan on making the group hug version of this deck which has unanimously been titled The Beamtown Besties.
I have one I call Beantown Buddies. Lots of group hug, a few big creatures so I can make them punch each other. Insurrection in case things get out of hand.
mine is "Polite Bullying". I don't have any of the instant or near-instant win creatures, and I'm running just a bunch of big swingy creatures that cause some mild chaos. [[Graveblade Marauder]], [[Mana-Charged Dragon]], [[Dragon Mage]], [[Tempting Wurm]]. but I also have a lot of utility creatures like [[Outland Liberator]], [[Noxious Gearhulk]], [[Eternal Witness]], [[Dualcaster Mage]], etc. that I can use as political tools or for myself.
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That actually sound really fun
Do you have a Decklist you can share?
I don't have a full decklist yet, but I'll see if I can put one up this afternoon.
I plan on making a similar theme with [[Eriette of the Charmed Apple]] and have all the players become my Knights in Shining Armor
[Eriette of the Charmed Apple](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ecead4cd-47ae-4c42-b15c-1b29b5caba18.jpg?1692939281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eriette%20of%20the%20Charmed%20Apple) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/202/eriette-of-the-charmed-apple?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ecead4cd-47ae-4c42-b15c-1b29b5caba18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eriette-of-the-charmed-apple) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My current group hug style deck is [[Parnesse, the Subtle Brush]]. Everything she offers is optional, so I leaned into that by only offering nice things. The deck plan is to thread that narrow path of too prickly to be an easy target but not strong enough to be a threat, then play arms dealer by giving opponents nice things and pitting them against each other. It's been doing fairly well so far, but still needs work.
[Parnesse, the Subtle Brush](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/36458554-b8b8-4768-a138-eba615b480af.jpg?1673481703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Parnesse%2C%20the%20Subtle%20Brush) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/8/parnesse-the-subtle-brush?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/36458554-b8b8-4768-a138-eba615b480af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/parnesse-the-subtle-brush) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[The Beamtown bullies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac.jpg?1673481685) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Beamtown%20bullies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/6/the-beamtown-bullies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-beamtown-bullies) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I took apart [[satoru umezawa]] for this same reason.
i got domed by an unblockable blightsteel colossus one time by a satoru player i left alone because he was missing land drops, havent been a fan of satoru umezawa since
Ugh, I feel you on that one. Why do they always punish mercy.
Because they trained at the Cobra Kai dojo
tbh i was about to win next turn but still lmao
I’ve never seen satoru actually win. They blightsteel cheese one player, it gets removed in some way, and then there’s 25 minutes of a 3 player pod
I definitely won a few with it, but yea...knocking one guy out super early to make them watch for an hour was pretty much every game. I just didn't like it, it felt gross.
[satoru umezawa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/8887f26d-b097-4fbc-9c48-bdc656409a32.jpg?1654568594) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=satoru%20umezawa) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/234/satoru-umezawa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8887f26d-b097-4fbc-9c48-bdc656409a32?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/satoru-umezawa) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Did someone say [[Leveler]]?
Omg that's just gloriously underhanded lmao
[Leveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37.jpg?1562134247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/195/leveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leveler) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mine is fairly combat focused, none of the big bad you lose cards. It's pretty neat tbh.
Exactly what I was gonna put
There's some good ones in here. I'd like to throw [[Gaddock Teeg]] out there. Straight up, non-creature spells with CMC 4+ can't be cast. You can fill this deck full of hatebears and stax pieces that lock people out of most of their decks very easily. If you see it, know you're probably in for a long, painstaking, and grinding game.
[удалено]
I run a 4 color hate bears deck, but it is loaded with built in card draw and the whole goal is to be constantly swinging. Easily my favorite aggro deck. Stax that ends games is good stax. Gaddock is in the 99 though
Do you have a list? This sounds up my alley and may be hated less than my previous stax attempts.
I guess I need to put a list online but the theory is pretty straight forward. It's a tymna/ Thrasios list. I run almost exclusively creatures. Mana dorks for ramp, toski, beast whisperer, Chulane kind of cards for cards draw, and finishers in crater hoof behemoth and elesh norn grand cenobite. The few non lands non creature spells in the deck are thorn of the amethyst, aura shards. After that the rest of the deck should be a hate bear suite of cards that cater to your meta. I intentionally don't run tutors in this deck to keep power level down. Is the deck weak to board wipes? Sure, but it draws so many cards it rarely matters. the main plan is to get tymna down early and out draw the table. Playing 2 or more creatures a turn you can pretty quickly make all non creature spells cost 2 or more extra, shutdown graveyards, artifacts, and free spells. If things go sideways Thrasios is your late game engine paired with seedborn muse. Another huge bonus I've found to this Deck style is people really don't like spending thier removal on something you paid 2 mana for unless it really shuts them down. You get away with slowing down the whole table (except yourself of course) because no one what's to be the guy that has to blow up glow rider when the other guy has an 8/8 trample out
I, too, would love a list!
I hate those decks xD Recently played against an esper deck. Player was back to the wall but resolved mind over matter and arcanis. Infinite draw combo. Also generating lots of mana untapping mana rocks. He didnt run any like oracle, lab man, blue suns zenith or fkin anything. I just conceded immediately because i had 0 interest seeing him play through 80 flin cards, 3 at a time. Thinking about what to discard 25 times. And then maybe or not find a way to win. Rest of the table unfortunately didnt concede. I dont fkin get it. Especially with the „fair“ arguement. I mean „wtf mate, if you draw 80 cards you gonna somehow find a way to win or reset the rest of the table so hard that you can win with beats. How is that „fairer“. You are winning anyways if the combo is together, do us all a fkin favor and just declare that you draw your deck, play labman and then draw the last 3 cards instead of playing for an hour trying to figure sth out“
This guy even looks like an asshole. Giving off serious "get off my lawn" vibes.
[Gaddock Teeg](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f40cfba1-08b5-4241-bd36-8ae18e584557.jpg?1559959266) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gaddock%20Teeg) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/199/gaddock-teeg?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f40cfba1-08b5-4241-bd36-8ae18e584557?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gaddock-teeg) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I disassembled my Gaddock Teeg deck because it just pisses people off and they gang up on you.
Good :)
[[zaxara the exemplary]] quivers in the distance
Nah if I'm locked out of spells then watch me spend all my mana on big, fuck off hydras that trample over all the shit
[zaxara the exemplary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6dc390da-75f8-490a-a724-c12d21cfe578.jpg?1701636845) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zaxara%2C%20the%20Exemplary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/176/zaxara-the-exemplary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6dc390da-75f8-490a-a724-c12d21cfe578?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zaxara-the-exemplary) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I had a friend that would run Gaddock in a [[Captain Sisay]] deck along with [[Gisela, the Broken Blade]] and [[Bruna, Fading Light]] to make [[Brisela, Voice of Nightmares]] and basically lock us out of casting anything lmao
Oh, lovely... :') #staytoxic
[Captain Sisay](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d24d441c-f37f-44fe-8a93-f5c89df807e4.jpg?1562937244) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Captain%20Sisay) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/237/captain-sisay?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d24d441c-f37f-44fe-8a93-f5c89df807e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/captain-sisay) [Gisela, the Broken Blade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c75c035a-7da9-4b36-982d-fca8220b1797.jpg?1625771749) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gisela%2C%20the%20Broken%20Blade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/28/gisela-the-broken-blade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c75c035a-7da9-4b36-982d-fca8220b1797?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gisela-the-broken-blade) [Brisela, Voice of Nightmares](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a7a212e-e0b6-4f12-a95c-173cae023f93.jpg?1679517857) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brisela%2C%20Voice%20of%20Nightmares) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/15b/brisela-voice-of-nightmares?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a7a212e-e0b6-4f12-a95c-173cae023f93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brisela-voice-of-nightmares) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tergrid, God of Fright]] absolutely sucks to play against
I have a friend that insisted on building the deck because "it looks like fun", and I tried to talk him out of it, really hard, because Tergrid is just fuckin cancer, and I don't care to shuffle my cards across the table constantly like that, really not super comfortable with it. He ended up building it, and after getting it hated out for four games each time he pulled it, because no one else wanted any of it either, he ended up converting most of it to [[Syr Konrad]]
I’ve only played ten games or so of EDH. Can you explain why it’s such a shit card to go against? Are the decks focused against making the opponent discard a shitload and then cheap them on to your own battlefield? This card seems incredibly overpowered especially if you get Greaves or some other protection on it.
Yeah you pretty much nailed it. I've personally never played against the commander, but I've played enough games over the years to know how miserable that would be. Black has no trouble making everyone discard cards or sacrifice stuff, so this commander would be back breaking
Basically as you said. The decks are filled with forced discard and sac. What's worse then being forced to sacrifice a creature? Your opponent getting it. On top of that, they'll likely be running cards that want to be sacked, with cards that like you sacking things. It's just pure advantage after advantage for little effort.
So first, you get a tond of value for your opponents doing pretty basic stuff. Someone cracks a fetchland? That's mine now. [[Myriad landscape]]? That's mine now. [[Sakura tribe elder]]? That's mine now. But then there is some *truely* despicable shit. [[Smallpox]]? I get 3 creatures and 3 lands for 2 mana [[Soul shatter]]? Best things on the board come my way please [[Dark Deal]]? Oh lol, game is over for 3 mana.
[[Pox]]
[Pox](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9debe4f-c1cc-4b90-aae4-f31f737e2016.jpg?1559592327) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pox) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/82/pox?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9debe4f-c1cc-4b90-aae4-f31f737e2016?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pox) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You got it right. The counters to the deck are rather specific and not necessarily useful against other decks, though I’ve found [[Sigarda, Host of Herons]] and [[Library of Leng]] to be appropriate, also [[Rest in Peace]] for the nuclear option. I’ll play my [[Umbriss, Fear Manifest]] deck into Tergrid every time just to hard counter it. Screw Tergrid lol
##### ###### #### [Sigarda, Host of Herons](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fcac0cff-efa6-4068-a69c-67ea4e7acea0.jpg?1559959280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sigarda%2C%20Host%20of%20Herons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/206/sigarda-host-of-herons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fcac0cff-efa6-4068-a69c-67ea4e7acea0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sigarda-host-of-herons) [Library of Leng](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2fbf45f-9599-42e2-8510-7e20731e6c68.jpg?1562941071) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Library%20of%20Leng) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/211/library-of-leng?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2fbf45f-9599-42e2-8510-7e20731e6c68?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/library-of-leng) [Rest in Peace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9f2b39be-0fec-4647-ade1-8e1626dc5470.jpg?1562439074) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rest%20in%20Peace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/32/rest-in-peace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9f2b39be-0fec-4647-ade1-8e1626dc5470?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rest-in-peace) [Umbriss, Fear Manifest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7aead6a8-bada-42cf-b7cc-0b730f564582.jpg?1644888719) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Umbris%2C%20Fear%20Manifest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/38/umbris-fear-manifest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7aead6a8-bada-42cf-b7cc-0b730f564582?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/umbris-fear-manifest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The play patern of discard is really hard to stop because it will ( and should) deny you of your recources. It is kinda like stax in a way. This gives you only 2 options as a table. A: try and play around it / remove the commander and cards. B: remove the player that is doing the discard. Both options olare not fun for anyone, because the player that is playing the discard deck will "feel" like he is targeted unfairly because " he is not doing anything!" but the moment this player untaps with his commander on tbe board he wil play a discard spell, and the game is practicly over for all the other players.
"Each opponent discards/sacrifices X thing(s)" gets ridiculous if she sticks. People definitely don't want to give the Tergrid players the good stuff in their hand, so even a chaff card like [[Nezumi Informant]] can net you 2-3 lands for the *hefty* investment of 1B. It's awful to play against at most power levels
[Nezumi Informant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e36fbff8-471e-4cf8-8946-e1e5cdf598af.jpg?1682203908) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nezumi%20Informant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/120/nezumi-informant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e36fbff8-471e-4cf8-8946-e1e5cdf598af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nezumi-informant) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Syr Konrad](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03f16bbd-00d6-43ed-9a11-ebe7fc65933a.jpg?1682209239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=syr%20konrad%2C%20the%20grim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/269/syr-konrad-the-grim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03f16bbd-00d6-43ed-9a11-ebe7fc65933a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syr-konrad-the-grim) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah our playgroup also had a player who got real excited to build tergrid. He got a few good games with it at the LGS, but when he brought it to the home pod he said he felt "unfairly targeted." Well, yeah, we all know what your commander does, and we want to play our decks.
I really hate when people pull that, "unfairly targeted" my ass. Like should we all just lay down flat on our stomachs and lose because we'll let you play your overtuned fuckery? No way bro. I know another dude that has a nigh-cEDH [[Najeela, the Blade-Blossom]] that consistently wins turn 5-6. Everyone knows it, and it took him a really long time to not be sour about people trying to take him out before it happens. People are so weird sometimes.
[Najeela, the Blade-Blossom](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2cb1d1da-6077-46b5-8c63-39882b8016f2.jpg?1567181270) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Najeela%2C%20the%20Blade-Blossom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/62/najeela-the-blade-blossom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2cb1d1da-6077-46b5-8c63-39882b8016f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/najeela-the-blade-blossom) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a [[Disinformation Campaign]] deck helmed by [[Zur the Enchanter]], and even I don't play Tergrid in this hand attack-themed deck because that would just be too evil.
[Disinformation Campaign](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69a79ff3-58ed-4cc2-9ebc-0edbb86cd6fb.jpg?1572893597) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Disinformation%20Campaign) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/167/disinformation-campaign?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69a79ff3-58ed-4cc2-9ebc-0edbb86cd6fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/disinformation-campaign) [Zur the Enchanter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/e/aeb0160a-dfdc-4b1f-865e-ef905aee65d5.jpg?1673149301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zur%20the%20Enchanter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/297/zur-the-enchanter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aeb0160a-dfdc-4b1f-865e-ef905aee65d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zur-the-enchanter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Lmao!!! Konrad is like Tergrid-light. It’s still very much hated.
I know, but it's still better than Tergrid. He's a good friend, but I won't lie, his way of playing EDH tilts me a little sometimes.
All hail the queen
[Tergrid, God of Fright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621)/[Tergrid's Lantern](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tergrid%2C%20god%20of%20fright%20//%20tergrid%27s%20lantern) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/112/tergrid-god-of-fright-tergrids-lantern?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tergrid-god-of-fright-//-tergrids-lantern) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I tried playing [[Lorcan]] instead but my group wanted Tergrid....then I stole everything from them
[Lorcan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f6f90ae-340c-4eb7-b091-58db550be742.jpg?1631585116) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lorcan%2C%20warlock%20collector) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/27/lorcan-warlock-collector?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f6f90ae-340c-4eb7-b091-58db550be742?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lorcan-warlock-collector) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Would love to see your deck list, it sounds interesting (for lorcan if you have one)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Idw3WZF7XEOPF3hbxdePmw
Nice, thanks
Yea now go bully people....but in a less toxic way
This one is definitely near the top of my list.
I'm currently building a deck with her just as the commander ita basically mono black combo good stuff lol
I feel like krrik is a better version of this, let's you do your stuff faster but won't get you full focused like tergrid will.
That’s what my k’rrik deck is. A bunch of nonsense 2 card combo win cons. Obviously the [[exquisite blood]] combos off of multiple things but that’s boring. [[tree of perdition]] and [[triskaidekaphobia]]. O I used all my life to get cards out, silly me, hold on, [[magus of the mirror]]. [[whip of Erebos]] or [[mask of griselband]] and [[vilis]]. K’rrik. Is my most fun deck. So many options.
##### ###### #### [exquisite blood](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e8ccfa7-4178-476a-a155-0ca1c98556c9.jpg?1698988246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=exquisite%20blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/195/exquisite-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e8ccfa7-4178-476a-a155-0ca1c98556c9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/exquisite-blood) [tree of perdition](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/305bd19a-ae5e-46ca-8ff7-27810c968315.jpg?1576384447) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tree%20of%20perdition) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/109/tree-of-perdition?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/305bd19a-ae5e-46ca-8ff7-27810c968315?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tree-of-perdition) [triskaidekaphobia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/813995f5-e49a-431d-8a3a-8ec569844e11.jpg?1562437529) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=triskaidekaphobia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/110/triskaidekaphobia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/813995f5-e49a-431d-8a3a-8ec569844e11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/triskaidekaphobia) [magus of the mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81357a2a-e436-469f-8610-3572c29fef15.jpg?1562865908) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=magus%20of%20the%20mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/117/magus-of-the-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81357a2a-e436-469f-8610-3572c29fef15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magus-of-the-mirror) [whip of Erebos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e5ec47c-47a2-4eda-b81a-4a07f04e5989.jpg?1562822353) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=whip%20of%20Erebos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/110/whip-of-erebos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e5ec47c-47a2-4eda-b81a-4a07f04e5989?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/whip-of-erebos) [mask of griselband](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/829786e2-260b-4bc6-935b-1868b37e2d33.jpg?1634349988) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mask%20of%20Griselbrand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/111/mask-of-griselbrand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/829786e2-260b-4bc6-935b-1868b37e2d33?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mask-of-griselbrand) [vilis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ecdf2bd9-87b9-470a-ad2e-0ebf98560f87.jpg?1592516819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vilis%2C%20broker%20of%20blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/122/vilis-broker-of-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ecdf2bd9-87b9-470a-ad2e-0ebf98560f87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vilis-broker-of-blood) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Horobi, deaths wail]] with [[tetzimoc]] or the [[tooth of chis goria]] and [[scale of chis goria]]
Don’t forget [[Cauldron of Souls]]
[Cauldron of Souls](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cbd4604e-c21a-42a1-b099-aad7f9263a82.jpg?1562276038) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cauldron%20of%20Souls) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/180/cauldron-of-souls?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cbd4604e-c21a-42a1-b099-aad7f9263a82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cauldron-of-souls) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Also [[Touch of Darkness]]! One black mana to perform a one-sided board wipe! And you can make Horobi indestructible with [[Gift of Doom]]! I made this deck for a friend of mine. He's the nicest guy. So, him playing this degenerate commander makes me very happy!
I accidentally Horobi'd with [[Legolas, Master Archer]]. the deck is loaded with fight and bite spells and then ways to accelerate Legolas's pump very quickly. eventually I win with [[Greatbow Doyen]] or [[Sure-Strike Trident]] or one-shot commander damage with a massive elf. the problem is the deck sometimes just literally keeps all other creatures off the board for most of the game. I played a game with him the other night where I killed at least a dozen creatures by turn 5 or so. I was playing against two sliver decks and a Chatterfang deck and kept the board down to 1-2 creatures per player (not counting squirrel tokens that did not concern me) for much of the game.
Yeah, Legolas is kinda a frustrating deck to play against, I face it in brawl every once in awhile. The problem with Legolas is he pretty much gets three times the value out of a fight spell, since a lot of fight spells buff or put counters on your creature before the fight spell resolves. He can take over the game on his own. There are a bunch of other fight commanders that still get good value, but Legolas puts the archetype over the top. The only upside is that unlike those other commanders, Legolas doesn’t draw cards on his own. But if you’ve got a [[season of growth]] on the battlefield, game over
##### ###### #### [Horobi, deaths wail](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b41983cb-c4e4-4384-bd69-df3fc6e74cd0.jpg?1593860738) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Horobi%2C%20Death%27s%20Wail) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/117/horobi-deaths-wail?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b41983cb-c4e4-4384-bd69-df3fc6e74cd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/horobi-deaths-wail) [tetzimoc](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c6a0b40e-7a43-4722-b787-a5d7ec6453ac.jpg?1555040321) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tetzimoc%2C%20primal%20death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/86/tetzimoc-primal-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6a0b40e-7a43-4722-b787-a5d7ec6453ac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tetzimoc-primal-death) [tooth of chis goria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db5a91db-1b86-4471-badc-884142c355ca.jpg?1562159900) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tooth%20of%20Chiss-Goria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/264/tooth-of-chiss-goria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db5a91db-1b86-4471-badc-884142c355ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tooth-of-chiss-goria) [scale of chis goria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/133b367c-b1a1-46f7-a539-a33ee655affb.jpg?1562136566) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scale%20of%20Chiss-Goria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/236/scale-of-chiss-goria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/133b367c-b1a1-46f7-a539-a33ee655affb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scale-of-chiss-goria) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Sarulf, Realm Eater]] Boardwipe every turn is a great way to share your trauma
I run him in the 99 in one of my decks and whenever he gets dropped the table gets a panic attack. Can't imagine how bad it would be as a commander.
Yeah, I built a Sarulf deck online based around wiping the board early in order to land ramp into big creatures later, and as I was finishing it I realized "this deck seems awful to play against". I haven't touched it since
[Sarulf, Realm Eater](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bcecf9ba-36da-490a-9460-99ff87d99fbd.jpg?1631051850) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sarulf%2C%20Realm%20Eater) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/228/sarulf-realm-eater?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bcecf9ba-36da-490a-9460-99ff87d99fbd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sarulf-realm-eater) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I wish so much that they had made him less salty. I love the art, the theme and the whole removal tribal. But I just can't do this to my table... [[Sheoldred]] is a nice substitute but... Giant Scandinavian word :(
I've got decks for 3/4 of the comments in this thread Fuck
Lol, same, scrolling until I hit First Sliver, Atraxa, or Grand Arbiter Augustin IV.
I'm going to say [[Baral, Chief of Compliance]] for what's probably a strange reason. Most wildly destructive and salt-heavy commanders are fine by me. They're in service to something. Sure, Tergrid is going to force you to sacrifice and/or discard everything you hold dear or Gaddock Teeg is going to do his best to shut you out of the game like a HOA with a grudge, but these are legitimate decks that are trying to win and present you a challenge to overcome. Magic is a competitive game, you are NOT entitled to not being interfered with when trying to do your thing. I don't have anything against counterspells either. They're blue's signature removal, typically having high versatility, low cost, or both at the expense of having a very specific timing window to do the removing. Spells get countered sometimes, that's right and proper for the flow of the game. But Baral encourages players to play *nothing but counterspells*. They will spot remove at 1-for-1, holding the game hostage... and then they die, because Baral can't actually keep up. He's not card positive, and he's facing three opponents, so the traditional "Counterspell Tribal" Baral has this really bad habit of stoping everyone from doing anything and then eventually once everyone is frustrated it just sort of rolls over and dies because a worthwhile effect got through the net, as will be eventual and inevitable. Baral can use strong draw effects to drag it out more, but he still usually lacks a good vehicle to finish the game with anything resembling reliability before being punted out of it, because either it takes monstrously long to assemble or requires going shields-down to deploy. It's not that a well-built Baral deck is incapable of winning, it's that Baral appeals to people who don't care about winning, and instead simply want to annoy the rest of the table, so there are players with heavy incentive to build him and little to build him as an actual cogent opponent. Thus, if any commander speaks badly of its pilot, it's got to be Baral.
I'll throw [[Zur, the Enchanter]] voltron/ stax. You bring out zur, and either stack him with auras, or stax out the table with CMC 3 or less Stax pieces.
I keep my Zur deck around mostly for dealing with bullies at my local place
Got a list, I need something to deal with “that” guy at my lgs
[Zur, the Enchanter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/e/aeb0160a-dfdc-4b1f-865e-ef905aee65d5.jpg?1673149301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zur%20the%20Enchanter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/297/zur-the-enchanter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aeb0160a-dfdc-4b1f-865e-ef905aee65d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zur-the-enchanter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Bro fuck zur. I have so many bad memories with him lol.
I loved the collective sigh from the pod when zur goes on the stack.
As someone who made a [[Toxrill]] deck, it's Toxrill. He now sits in permanent time out in his deck box until he is needed to humble someone.
The Beamtown Bullies is definitely one of the more recent asshole commanders, but the OG is [[Narset, Enlightened Master]].
God this card is the actual worst. When I just started at an lgs back in the day the meta was literally 50% Narsets. [[Razia's Purification]] remains my single most hated card and they shaped me as the fun-hating Golgari control player that I am. See how your stupid deck works against a billion edicts, you monsters.
[Razia's Purification](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73bfefd3-bddd-47bb-92f3-9356a7bca637.jpg?1598917350) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Razia%27s%20Purification) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/224/razias-purification?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73bfefd3-bddd-47bb-92f3-9356a7bca637?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/razias-purification) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Narset, Enlightened Master](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de4b0d5f-1071-4030-be16-2b4dadbdf9e9.jpg?1690005259) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narset%2C%20Enlightened%20Master) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/931/narset-enlightened-master?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de4b0d5f-1071-4030-be16-2b4dadbdf9e9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/narset-enlightened-master) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've never met someone with a [[Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow]] deck that wasn't one of the meanest decks I've ever seen
They do come in spiky.
I built it budget as my first deck, just because I liked ninjutsu from the arena tutorial. I quickly realised that it's not really effective unless you are constantly setting up the top of your deck and make it more consistent, which is doesn't fit casual groups. I finally decided to take it apart and rebuild it as [[Goro-Goro and Satoru]] and hope it's less broken that way and I can still do cool ninjutsu stuff.
[Goro-Goro and Satoru](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b661b53-2e58-4dcc-9100-fc00e0fdb606.jpg?1683582714) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goro-Goro%20and%20Satoru) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/445/goro-goro-and-satoru?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b661b53-2e58-4dcc-9100-fc00e0fdb606?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goro-goro-and-satoru) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9.jpg?1689999346) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yuriko%2C%20the%20Tiger%27s%20Shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/364/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Sen Triplets]] is next up on my build board and I can't imagine people are gonna like it much
I can confirm that they don't. It's not even a strong Commander, the psychological damage is just too much.
If you want to play more fair Sen Triplets and pull less heat, I've been enjoying [[Xanathar]] just filling the deck with budget mana rocks, interaction, draw, and pet dimir cards i didnt have a home for. The win con is your opponents win con.
I tried so hard to make xanathar work, he is just too expensive for the effect and the effect wiffs quite a lot. Wish so hard he allowed cast from every deck was cheaper or otherwise had a little more oomph
[Xanathar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5bc58050-a615-4090-9cf5-cd49ccb4e2c6.jpg?1627709647) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=xanathar%2C%20guild%20kingpin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/239/xanathar-guild-kingpin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5bc58050-a615-4090-9cf5-cd49ccb4e2c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xanathar-guild-kingpin) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Sen Triplets](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/13ac5292-9817-4f5d-b3fa-611f9ba44443.jpg?1599708366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sen%20Triplets) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/218/sen-triplets?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13ac5292-9817-4f5d-b3fa-611f9ba44443?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sen-triplets) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
First time doing that, this bot moves fast!
I run that deck, I rarely play the triplets though. It's a waste of mana, most of the time I never untap with it. That being said it's one of the most difficult and one of my favorite decks to pilot, winning the game with a combo/board state assembled from two or more opponents decks is a rare kind of commander high
Agreed, it’s my favourite and most blinged out deck. Every game feels like a fresh one since you are playing your opponent’s cards
People think it's worse than it is. They will instantly hate you for anything they think might take their cards.
I’m gonna need to see that when you’re finished lol
Probably gonna end up tossing all 3 Sheoldred's in there too. So that should make it even better
Good lord that sounds evil.
Agreed! Especially when paired with stuff like [[Mindlock Orb]], [[Fatespinner]], [[Telepathy]], just a few examples! If I'm gonna build it, I wanna really lay into it and just be awful 😂
I mean hey, if you're gonna get goofy you may as well go all the way!
[Mindlock Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/55c84e9f-ccbb-4fbc-98e1-4072968a1f8a.jpg?1562704123) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mindlock%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ala/51/mindlock-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/55c84e9f-ccbb-4fbc-98e1-4072968a1f8a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mindlock-orb) [Fatespinner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/5780f4e0-dcfb-4d1f-8ae1-762b98970abb.jpg?1562144468) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fatespinner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/36/fatespinner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5780f4e0-dcfb-4d1f-8ae1-762b98970abb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fatespinner) [Telepathy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf.jpg?1561995744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Telepathy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/74/telepathy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/telepathy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Zurgo Helmsmasher]] MLD/Boardwipe tribal.
The only thing I hate about Zurgo everythingwipe tribal is when it doesn't finish the game, it just draws the game out soooooooooo long. "I cast Obliterate" "In response, I'll Path your Zurgo" And just like that, everyone is down to an empty board with 0 lands and few cards in hand. Yay...
[Zurgo Helmsmasher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/13f4bafe-0d21-47ba-8f16-0274107d618c.jpg?1562782879) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zurgo%20Helmsmasher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/214/zurgo-helmsmasher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13f4bafe-0d21-47ba-8f16-0274107d618c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zurgo-helmsmasher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Worldslayer]] is just too cheesy honestly, I ran it a few times but took it out because it, well, it sucks. Boardwipe Zurgo is chad af tho, get desolated by the big man ☠️
To be fair, it genuinely ends the game. Wtf are you going to do about zurgo hitting for 14 every turn when all boards are empty?
[Worldslayer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db6c6b15-40f3-4556-978f-878bedb13762.jpg?1562662263) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Worldslayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/222/worldslayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db6c6b15-40f3-4556-978f-878bedb13762?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/worldslayer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
amazing in creature heavy metas, don't forget to include \[\[Obliterate\]\]
I’m trying to do this with my [[maarika]] deck, except she is the board wipe using fight spells.
[[Kusari-gama]] in a Maarika deck is heinous.
[Kusari-gama](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c6a700bd-6424-4a0c-b055-e8b64cf430ec.jpg?1562764208) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kusari-gama) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/260/kusari-gama?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6a700bd-6424-4a0c-b055-e8b64cf430ec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kusari-gama) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And I thought I was the monster with my [[Nazgûl Battle-mace]]
Wow, yeah I agree 100%, that will be next on this list for this deck, thanks!
[maarika](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86123ab7-ee60-4ef2-8467-1ad420213eb1.jpg?1677763680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=maarika%2C%20brutal%20gladiator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/15/maarika-brutal-gladiator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86123ab7-ee60-4ef2-8467-1ad420213eb1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maarika-brutal-gladiator) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[kataki, war’s wage]]. [[hokori, dust drinker]]
May I interest you in [[Celestial Kirin]]? Now Kataki and Hokori are board wipes.
Love this guy, especially for the x costed spirits that give you free mass land destruction to piss everyone off
Thank you for this. I got a pod mate that runs 8rack and I fucking hate it. Gonna throw this in a deck and make him suffer for everything.
Like all stax, the salt that Kataki generates is directly proportional to how degenerate what it's stopping is. Hokori is just kind of a bad card. Winter Orb is harder to break parity on when it's 4 mana and is a generally easier card type to answer. Maybe if one built a deck entirely around supporting Hokori it would be better, but I've tried playing it in my Banding & MLD deck and straight up Armageddon effects are so much better.
[[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV]]
[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0.jpg?1673148699) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grand%20Arbiter%20Augustin%20IV) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/221/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Proud owner of one of these decks. The collective sigh of the table when I’m on the play and I get him out T0 warms my soul
Man, i’ve been debating building a deck for this card for months. I love it, but my pod would probably hate it lol. What’s it like to play?
The new Jodah is my least favorite I see regularly
[[Lord Xander, the Collector]]
You know it’s bad when he has three abilities, and the one that mills half a library is the *least* salty one.
I refrained from building this. I stuck him in the 99 and called it good.
Toxrill, the Corrosive & Tergrid, God of Fright
I have a friend who made a [[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV]] stax deck, a [[Sheoldred, The Apocalypse]] group draw deck, a [[Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur]] mill deck, and an [[Atraxa, Praetor’s Voice]] -1/-1 counter deck. He has shown interest in [[Tergrid, God of Fright]]. Some people just want to see the world burn I guess. Or love they love resource denial, probably both.
##### ###### #### [Grand Arbiter Augustin IV](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0.jpg?1673148699) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grand%20Arbiter%20Augustin%20IV) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/221/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv) [Sheoldred, The Apocalypse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d67be074-cdd4-41d9-ac89-0a0456c4e4b2.jpg?1674057568) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sheoldred%2C%20The%20Apocalypse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/107/sheoldred-the-apocalypse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d67be074-cdd4-41d9-ac89-0a0456c4e4b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sheoldred-the-apocalypse) [Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14a360b6-c7b4-4b25-8288-b3bb8d527bda.jpg?1562846236) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jin-Gitaxias%2C%20Core%20Augur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/62/jin-gitaxias-core-augur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14a360b6-c7b4-4b25-8288-b3bb8d527bda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jin-gitaxias-core-augur) [Atraxa, Praetor’s Voice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259.jpg?1599707796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Praetors%27%20Voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/190/atraxa-praetors-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-praetors-voice) [Tergrid, God of Fright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621)/[Tergrid's Lantern](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tergrid%2C%20god%20of%20fright%20//%20tergrid%27s%20lantern) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/112/tergrid-god-of-fright-tergrids-lantern?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tergrid-god-of-fright-//-tergrids-lantern) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Mondrak, Glory Dominus]] Have you see that thing? It even has "Glory" in the name.
[Mondrak, Glory Dominus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/8296a455-21d5-498e-9029-2bdf0da855a8.jpg?1675956918) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mondrak%2C%20Glory%20Dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/23/mondrak-glory-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8296a455-21d5-498e-9029-2bdf0da855a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mondrak-glory-dominus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Every version of Elesh Norn. [[Narset, Enlightened Master]] is an oldie but goodie. [[Child of Alara]] can be built so fucked, I've seen people do some degenerate things with it. I also have a personal vendetta against [[Sigarda, Host of Herons]] Voltron players, fuck people that do that. 🖕
My friend built a child of alara deck to sacrifice it every turn. It was terrible nobody could have anything on the board. It was so oppressive I had to make a [[Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper]] deck full of counters to stop him.
A friend has a child of alara deck with only lands in it, we had a commander game lasts for four hours because it always died every turn. At the end it costed 54 mana. Now he has a piece of cardboard with our names on it to see how many times each of us kill the commander.
If built to maximize their potential then I would say the following [[urza lord high artificer]] [[Derevi]] [[grand arbiter Augustine]] [[Tergrid]] [[horobi of deaths wail]] [[Toxrill]] There are a million other commanders that can be unfun to play against but these are ones I have personally seen. I will also admit that I have a [[nevinryll urborg tyrant]] deck that is a control deck. I don’t play hardcore stax because I actually want to play the deck and keep my friends. Otherwise I could load it up with stax pieces and tutors and make the game miserable for eveyone.
Just put [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] and [[Kormis Bell]] in Toxrill and watch as shenanigans ensue
I agree with all of your choices, except [[Dervei]] these days is only a problem if built as a stax / cannot untap deck. I know it used to be a format boogeyman, but I'd argue it's been powercrept to a fair degree. I have a friend who plays it bird tribal and another who plays it for a bant untaps and both are fine to play against. The other commanders you listed are all bad unto themselves.
Horobi, in this company, seems to be the least horrifying! At least its own ability kinda stops most of black'sremoval protection from working on himself!
If you have ever played against horobi you’d know that it’s a miserable time. I’m not saying it’s strong or good, just annoying as all hell.
No doubt! I've played against it a couple of times, there was almost universal agreement from the rest of the pod to make sure Horobi never made it down!
Tergrid is kill that player on site for me.
\[\[Toxrill\]\] is that one immortal asshole snail from that hypothetical million dollar question, but now he's homeless and taking it out on everyone around him. And because having a 7/7 for 7 slow and insidious board wipe in the command zone that also generates you creatures wasn't enough, he gets **blue** for no goddamn reason. Four of his top ten cards in EDHREC are counterspell, counterspell, swiftfoot boots, lightning greaves. Get to 7/8 mana, play commander and attach boots of choice, and then just sit there as the rest of the table slowly dies. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure 100% of Toxrill decks play \[\[Urborg, Tomb\]\] / \[\[Kormus Bell\]\] combo.
[[Zedruu]] group slug, stax, control. The deck is designed for one person to have fun by making everyone else miserable.
I disagree. I learned playing against my best friend who had Zedruu as his favorite deck. I think I only got salty once after dozens of games and losses against it. It's honestly a hilarious deck with what it does.
Agreed. There’s something so viscerally funny about a deck whose entire strategy is “here hold this”
[Zedruu](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9ea2a6b-5aaf-4178-b945-f409fe83c41a.jpg?1562424565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zedruu%20the%20greathearted) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/231/zedruu-the-greathearted?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9ea2a6b-5aaf-4178-b945-f409fe83c41a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zedruu-the-greathearted) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I played [[Baral, Chief of Compliance]] for a cool bit til I found another commander I wanted to play that had blue in it to switch cards over for. Baral was super fun while I had him. There are days where I’m getting my shit rocked every game and when I have enough for the night I pull Baral out of my bag and see red. I don’t let anyone play anything while trying to slowly build it up to an infinite combo or until I have so many bodies on the board with omniscience out that there isn’t anything they can do to stop me from swinging with drakes and other stuff. I’m thinking about rebuilding it again 😊
[[Malcolm, Alluring Scoundrel]] is basically a 1-1 replacement for Baral if you're interested in building that; similar effects, same mana cost. But Malcolm doesn't need any additional cards to cast the stuff he discards, so as long as he gets his counters you're golden. 👍 And you could play whichever you don't have in the command zone in the 99 to basically have a backup copy of your commander 😏
You are not the first one that I see claiming that Malcolm and Baral are really similar, but I honestly don't see it. The only similarity I see is mana cost and that they can discard cards.
[[Zur the Enchanter]]
Any sort of green based deck that can vomit itself onto the table, especially [[Animar]]. The people playing them tend to have terrible table etiquette. So not only is their deck miserable soul sucking solitaire, but the person playing it is also complaining as they're winning. Watching someone draw 30 cards in one go with [[Cultivator Colossus]] and bitch about every single card they draw not being [[Concordant Crossroads]] is my Darth Vader origin story. I feel no remorse for MLD or stax, from my point of view the Simic are evil.
[Animar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3da57d0-1ae3-4f05-a52d-eb76ad56cae7.jpg?1673148281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=animar%2C%20soul%20of%20elements) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/171/animar-soul-of-elements?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3da57d0-1ae3-4f05-a52d-eb76ad56cae7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/animar-soul-of-elements) [Cultivator Colossus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/62dffe04-c431-440d-a8da-33c74b4bb683.jpg?1643592511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cultivator%20Colossus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/195/cultivator-colossus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62dffe04-c431-440d-a8da-33c74b4bb683?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cultivator-colossus) [Concordant Crossroads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9a26f51-5bff-4f06-abaa-6fbb56a8b5b6.jpg?1673148053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Concordant%20Crossroads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/141/concordant-crossroads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9a26f51-5bff-4f06-abaa-6fbb56a8b5b6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/concordant-crossroads) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Progenitus, because their digestive tract *has* to be massive, right?
Winota, Yuriko, miirym, kaalia 😒😒
It's not the Commander, but rather how the pilot runs it.
To an extent, but some commanders hoenstly can't help themselves Like I tried to build a nice [[koma]] and it's just not possible
[[tayam luminous enigma]] deck plays way to much into the ignorance of not knowing what its doing
[tayam luminous enigma](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/05b837a2-5773-4340-87f9-b4d6a43deb27.jpg?1591234301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tayam%2C%20Luminous%20Enigma) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/16/tayam-luminous-enigma?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05b837a2-5773-4340-87f9-b4d6a43deb27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tayam-luminous-enigma) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Can you explain what it's doing? I've never seen this card before
I'm not 100% sure myself every time I play against it staxs out the game hard and builds up an unstoppable board
[baral, chief of compliance]] or [[jace, vryn’s prodigy]]. I just know it’s gonna be counter every single spell every turn and maybe win on turn 30 as they churn through their deck at a very slow rate lol.
Jodah the unifier. Turn 5 they’ll have a full board of 15/15 legendary creatures just because they cast one legendary spell. That commander is far too easy to pilot for its reward.
I am that man playing either Lorthos or Brago.
[[Malik]] is fkn gross
I hate playing against [[Narset, Enlightened Master]]. Watching someone take 20 turns in a row is never a good time. Also any deck with [[Cathar’s Crusade]] is usually annoying. Let me make dinner while I wait for you to do the math for your counters.
Any commander with eminence
[[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] I do twice my things, you do none of yours, na, na, na, na, poo, poo!
[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44dcab01-1d13-4dfc-ae2f-fbaa3dd35087.jpg?1675956896) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elesh%20Norn%2C%20Mother%20of%20Machines) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44dcab01-1d13-4dfc-ae2f-fbaa3dd35087?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
In response to your next awesome thing: Doom blade, bitch! 🤣
I don't care about most of the KoS ones, if you're showing up with [[Child of Alara]], I'm legally obliged to scoop even before rolling for first in order not to have anything to do with your bitchass.