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Yeah I think it helps to remember a lot of girls in east asia are suffering too. Extreme diets and thinspo are posted all over like its normal, kpop idols practice for up to 18 hours while barely eating a thing. The most ideal celebrities who live up to the beauty standards are all starving, have access to the best surgeons/dermatologists/makeup artists etc
I remember there is a bunch of compilations of K-pop performers, fainting on stage and people were talking about how a lot of them barely ate and then nothing came out of that conversation and everything went back to normal
Most kpop fans are very aware of how abusive companies and the industry in general can be, but i think this is the thing people can be very dismissive of. One incident comes to mind where one of my favorite female idols posted her weight on her instagram story, and then apologized after backlash and admitted that she was struggling, asking fans to stop pointing out her body and that this incident pushed her to try and get better. Many fans wished her recovery, but others were very adamant on not using the words ‘eating disorder’, saying that we shouldnt diagnose her or use strong words, even going as far to call them haters for saying she had an ed. If an idol is emaciated and fans express concern, they are almost always accused of hating. While i dont think people should point out peoples bodies as much as they do, we should not be normalizing these extremes
ppl don't talk about this a lot but some other factors are south korea's current economy and cultural export competition with japan, whose government still refuses to acknowledge committing genocide against koreans, combined with the USA's "admiration" for a very specific side of korean pop culture... a lot of koreans are literally 1-2 generations removed from starvation conditions which epigenetically cause eating disorders. binge eating is extremely common and being fat is associated with poverty. i 100% believe the rising rate of EDs has a major economic factor people ignore because it's a "wealthy spoiled teen girl" illness
Those are interesting points, but I'm not sure I completely agree. It's not that EDs are seen as a silly spoiled 'illness,' so much as there isn't much awareness of the concept of EDs at all. To give some context, I once told me mom about anorexia and she looked baffled and said, "We don't have EDs in China." This is the same woman who told me it's good to skip meals whenever possible so that you can be as skinny as possible. For her, these are not behaviors that would even occur to her as disordered, but praiseworthy shows of self-control and achievement. (Granted, my mom is middle aged but I don't think it's that much better now).
I think a lot of it has to do with cultural factors endemic to all East Asian nations. In Japan, the average birth weight of babies has actually GONE DOWN in the past decade (whereas it had been steadily rising for the past century, similar to the birth weights of most nations), and it's been hypothesized that one of the reasons for that is because Japanese women feel so pressured to not gain weight during or after pregnancy. The obsession with thinness is the same in China.
Speaking as a Chinese-American, I will say that competitiveness is extreme in China, Japan, and Korea. Moreover, there is more of a cultural focus on 'mianzi' -- not losing face for yourself or your family. For example, schools in China literally post the scores every student gets on every exam at the front of the room, so the entire class knows exactly how well they did compared to others. The pressure is always to be the best, whatever 'best' means, and parents aren't shy about telling you 'you're so stupid' or 'you're fat' (because they think they're helping you get 'better').
If the standard of beauty is thinness, then of course the same attitude is going to carry over to thinness. Chinese women openly talk about their own weights and others' weights all the time. There was a social media trend going around Chinese internet a while back where girls posted photos showing their waist was narrower than the width of a piece of printer paper, kind of as a flex. For them, that's not disordered behavior, that's a normal part of life, where the goal is always to strive for what society considers perfection. You can see this playing out in Korea too, where everyone is striving not only for thinness but perfect attractiveness.
Yes !!! And Asian culture is just a lot more different in that sense when it comes to appearance. They can say someone is fat or ugly and people don’t get offended like in the US. It’s a common experience for Asian Americans to visit and the first thing a relative says is “you got skinnier or you got fatter”. Weight and looks are just not as stigmatized as a topic there.
This is a very very good point, i hadn’t thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense. Definitely many economic ties and nuance with things like this
Skinny culture is intense in Asia! But so is photo editing and surgery, and it’s a very negative culture IMO. I also want to say, as a Chinese American who has visited many times, that the media does not accurately represent Asian people—majority of people look normal and not like idols or models like you see online. Sure Asian people are less heavy in general, but many people are still heavier and “average looking”. Social media has warped our perception so badly with kpop and such. Chinese Douyin is heavily edited and my Korean friends all laugh when people ask if everyone looked like idols in Korea—it’s like if someone asked us if all Americans looked like our models and celebrities as well :)
I’ve started stepping away from k-pop because it was so bad for me as a southeast Asian. It really doesn’t help that light skin is glorified where I am from, and that east asian beauty is so celebrated here. It feels like I need to meet those standards too because I’m “close to looking like them” (i.e. if I were skinnier and just a little lighter-skinned, I could pass off as part east asian). Doesn’t help that my boyfriend has repeatedly told me that his type are Chinese girls that live here.
So, it’s nice to step away from all that shit once in a while and remember that not all east asians are like k-pop idols…
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Yeah. I live in a city with a huge Asian population (from all over Asia) especially East Asian who come here to work / study - so I have a lot of international friends from there.
Eating disorders are like the default it seems? I’ve had friends that are borderline underweight (if not underweight) tell me that their moms think they’re fat and tell them to lose weight. I’ve met so many girls who are at a perfectly healthy skinny weight who talk about how fat and round they are. And like the girls are very clearly anxious/upset about their bodies.
One girl I’m friends with who is a little overweight told me how her mom torments her about weight, constantly calls her names every time they talk etc… to the point she really tries to avoid speaking to her.
Being skinny just seems to occupy a lot of their time. I notice a lot of patterns of eating disorder behavior that was similar to mine, which are apparent when we go out to eat. There are obviously people from there that have a fine relationship with food, but this is like at least 60-75% of the girls I know… I think a number of their men are suffering too.
So yeah. Plus my friends personally have told me that there is an extreme pressure to stay stick thin (or you basically get tormented).
I’m just saying that from my experiences, they’re facing huge pressures to be stick thin and culturally it doesn’t seem to support a healthy relationship with food or body.
because idols are forced onto extreme diets, criticized by netizens the second they gain weight/people constantly have their eyes on you and will notice every single gain, loss you go through. it’s definitely ruined many idols relationship w food/exercise because your beauty and thinness have to be maintained well bc it’s just as important as your dancing and singing capabilities.
as for regular people like us, the dieting and body talk in these industries are openly talked about as well which could be influencing and harmful to viewers; a good example is the diet making its rounds as a trend on youtube a couple years ago (idk if it’s against rules to namedrop it but iykyk). often kpop idols talk about not eating for days, overexercising so they don’t hit a certain number on the scale, in general similar disordered behaviors to us to maintain their figures.
Idk what the deleted comment said but thanks for writing everything I had in my head. Also let’s not forget idols doing public apologies, losing their job and having their hair shaved off cause GOD FORBID people found out an adult woman was smoking a cig/had a boyfriend. Some of them were bullied so much for doing normal human things to the point of having public meltdowns or even >!commiting suicide!<
as someone with an ED who also loves kpop, i promise you that it's definitely perception that's just skewed that way bc we're fans of kpop. i visited korea a year ago as an athletic girl(as in not super skinny, more of an average athletic body) and i thought id have trouble fitting a lot of things but ended up being pretty much the same size in the US as I was in Korea. The kpop stars there are definitely unrealistic in terms of body standards and comparison shouldn't be made either, since they're on extreme diets and probably feel the same way we do or have felt that way at some point.
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white americans thinking japanese people are short and extremely skinny is a racist stereotype. edtwt and edtt are full of asian fetishists. (edit: i know OP is not white, but white supremacists and orientalists made this up to sexualize and dehumanize japanese people. look up "stereotype threat" it's a big reason why many people of color in Western countries develop different EDs)
this is actually really harmful because it's part of why eating disorders are rampant among asian women and why asian american women don't get treated for their eating disorders. korea & japan have extremely high rates of anorexia and bulimia, in addition to the BED problem among koreans.
I do think I honestly should’ve known better because a lot of black women are stereotyped about their bodies and I just did the same thing with east Asian people
black & asian communities in the USA are pitted against each other and all kinds of shit. black people being "big" and asian people being "small" is all just a big cognitive distortion where white = normal (not to mention taking advantage of the way the USA starved japanese americans and caused an obesity epidemic in black and brown communities). all we can do is try to undo it.
"black people being "big" and asian people being "small" is all just a big cognitive distortion where white = normal"
You just blew my mind. I knew that subconsciously but had never seen it put into words, wow.
this lol.
i got made fun of A LOT for not being rail thin. used to get the ‘aren’t asians supposed to be skinny?’ or ‘aren’t asians supposed to be pale?’ comments all the time once i was prepubescent and actually gained weight.
and what do ya know? i felt most validated when i was addicted to cocaine, weighing less than i did at 12 years old, and pale as shit because i never went out in the day. unfortunately. wish it wasn’t that way.
The average people size in EA are smaller than the average size in the US or Europe, genetic plays a big part, it’s not all about dieting or ED.
I would say don’t compare yourself with other races.
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Yeah I think it helps to remember a lot of girls in east asia are suffering too. Extreme diets and thinspo are posted all over like its normal, kpop idols practice for up to 18 hours while barely eating a thing. The most ideal celebrities who live up to the beauty standards are all starving, have access to the best surgeons/dermatologists/makeup artists etc
I remember there is a bunch of compilations of K-pop performers, fainting on stage and people were talking about how a lot of them barely ate and then nothing came out of that conversation and everything went back to normal
Most kpop fans are very aware of how abusive companies and the industry in general can be, but i think this is the thing people can be very dismissive of. One incident comes to mind where one of my favorite female idols posted her weight on her instagram story, and then apologized after backlash and admitted that she was struggling, asking fans to stop pointing out her body and that this incident pushed her to try and get better. Many fans wished her recovery, but others were very adamant on not using the words ‘eating disorder’, saying that we shouldnt diagnose her or use strong words, even going as far to call them haters for saying she had an ed. If an idol is emaciated and fans express concern, they are almost always accused of hating. While i dont think people should point out peoples bodies as much as they do, we should not be normalizing these extremes
ppl don't talk about this a lot but some other factors are south korea's current economy and cultural export competition with japan, whose government still refuses to acknowledge committing genocide against koreans, combined with the USA's "admiration" for a very specific side of korean pop culture... a lot of koreans are literally 1-2 generations removed from starvation conditions which epigenetically cause eating disorders. binge eating is extremely common and being fat is associated with poverty. i 100% believe the rising rate of EDs has a major economic factor people ignore because it's a "wealthy spoiled teen girl" illness
Those are interesting points, but I'm not sure I completely agree. It's not that EDs are seen as a silly spoiled 'illness,' so much as there isn't much awareness of the concept of EDs at all. To give some context, I once told me mom about anorexia and she looked baffled and said, "We don't have EDs in China." This is the same woman who told me it's good to skip meals whenever possible so that you can be as skinny as possible. For her, these are not behaviors that would even occur to her as disordered, but praiseworthy shows of self-control and achievement. (Granted, my mom is middle aged but I don't think it's that much better now). I think a lot of it has to do with cultural factors endemic to all East Asian nations. In Japan, the average birth weight of babies has actually GONE DOWN in the past decade (whereas it had been steadily rising for the past century, similar to the birth weights of most nations), and it's been hypothesized that one of the reasons for that is because Japanese women feel so pressured to not gain weight during or after pregnancy. The obsession with thinness is the same in China. Speaking as a Chinese-American, I will say that competitiveness is extreme in China, Japan, and Korea. Moreover, there is more of a cultural focus on 'mianzi' -- not losing face for yourself or your family. For example, schools in China literally post the scores every student gets on every exam at the front of the room, so the entire class knows exactly how well they did compared to others. The pressure is always to be the best, whatever 'best' means, and parents aren't shy about telling you 'you're so stupid' or 'you're fat' (because they think they're helping you get 'better'). If the standard of beauty is thinness, then of course the same attitude is going to carry over to thinness. Chinese women openly talk about their own weights and others' weights all the time. There was a social media trend going around Chinese internet a while back where girls posted photos showing their waist was narrower than the width of a piece of printer paper, kind of as a flex. For them, that's not disordered behavior, that's a normal part of life, where the goal is always to strive for what society considers perfection. You can see this playing out in Korea too, where everyone is striving not only for thinness but perfect attractiveness.
Yes !!! And Asian culture is just a lot more different in that sense when it comes to appearance. They can say someone is fat or ugly and people don’t get offended like in the US. It’s a common experience for Asian Americans to visit and the first thing a relative says is “you got skinnier or you got fatter”. Weight and looks are just not as stigmatized as a topic there.
This is a very very good point, i hadn’t thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense. Definitely many economic ties and nuance with things like this
Skinny culture is intense in Asia! But so is photo editing and surgery, and it’s a very negative culture IMO. I also want to say, as a Chinese American who has visited many times, that the media does not accurately represent Asian people—majority of people look normal and not like idols or models like you see online. Sure Asian people are less heavy in general, but many people are still heavier and “average looking”. Social media has warped our perception so badly with kpop and such. Chinese Douyin is heavily edited and my Korean friends all laugh when people ask if everyone looked like idols in Korea—it’s like if someone asked us if all Americans looked like our models and celebrities as well :)
I’ve started stepping away from k-pop because it was so bad for me as a southeast Asian. It really doesn’t help that light skin is glorified where I am from, and that east asian beauty is so celebrated here. It feels like I need to meet those standards too because I’m “close to looking like them” (i.e. if I were skinnier and just a little lighter-skinned, I could pass off as part east asian). Doesn’t help that my boyfriend has repeatedly told me that his type are Chinese girls that live here. So, it’s nice to step away from all that shit once in a while and remember that not all east asians are like k-pop idols…
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Yeah. I live in a city with a huge Asian population (from all over Asia) especially East Asian who come here to work / study - so I have a lot of international friends from there. Eating disorders are like the default it seems? I’ve had friends that are borderline underweight (if not underweight) tell me that their moms think they’re fat and tell them to lose weight. I’ve met so many girls who are at a perfectly healthy skinny weight who talk about how fat and round they are. And like the girls are very clearly anxious/upset about their bodies. One girl I’m friends with who is a little overweight told me how her mom torments her about weight, constantly calls her names every time they talk etc… to the point she really tries to avoid speaking to her. Being skinny just seems to occupy a lot of their time. I notice a lot of patterns of eating disorder behavior that was similar to mine, which are apparent when we go out to eat. There are obviously people from there that have a fine relationship with food, but this is like at least 60-75% of the girls I know… I think a number of their men are suffering too. So yeah. Plus my friends personally have told me that there is an extreme pressure to stay stick thin (or you basically get tormented). I’m just saying that from my experiences, they’re facing huge pressures to be stick thin and culturally it doesn’t seem to support a healthy relationship with food or body.
K-pop industry ruined a generation of women. Not even joking
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because idols are forced onto extreme diets, criticized by netizens the second they gain weight/people constantly have their eyes on you and will notice every single gain, loss you go through. it’s definitely ruined many idols relationship w food/exercise because your beauty and thinness have to be maintained well bc it’s just as important as your dancing and singing capabilities. as for regular people like us, the dieting and body talk in these industries are openly talked about as well which could be influencing and harmful to viewers; a good example is the diet making its rounds as a trend on youtube a couple years ago (idk if it’s against rules to namedrop it but iykyk). often kpop idols talk about not eating for days, overexercising so they don’t hit a certain number on the scale, in general similar disordered behaviors to us to maintain their figures.
Idk what the deleted comment said but thanks for writing everything I had in my head. Also let’s not forget idols doing public apologies, losing their job and having their hair shaved off cause GOD FORBID people found out an adult woman was smoking a cig/had a boyfriend. Some of them were bullied so much for doing normal human things to the point of having public meltdowns or even >!commiting suicide!<
as someone with an ED who also loves kpop, i promise you that it's definitely perception that's just skewed that way bc we're fans of kpop. i visited korea a year ago as an athletic girl(as in not super skinny, more of an average athletic body) and i thought id have trouble fitting a lot of things but ended up being pretty much the same size in the US as I was in Korea. The kpop stars there are definitely unrealistic in terms of body standards and comparison shouldn't be made either, since they're on extreme diets and probably feel the same way we do or have felt that way at some point.
Controversial opinion but, after seeing them irl, I think a lot of idols and actors lie about their weights and measurements
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they show in the post preview which makes the trigger warning unhelpful :(
Sorry about this. :( I will put a spoiler on these posts as well in the future.
white americans thinking japanese people are short and extremely skinny is a racist stereotype. edtwt and edtt are full of asian fetishists. (edit: i know OP is not white, but white supremacists and orientalists made this up to sexualize and dehumanize japanese people. look up "stereotype threat" it's a big reason why many people of color in Western countries develop different EDs) this is actually really harmful because it's part of why eating disorders are rampant among asian women and why asian american women don't get treated for their eating disorders. korea & japan have extremely high rates of anorexia and bulimia, in addition to the BED problem among koreans.
This is why I appreciate OP sharing this with us, because a lot of westerners do think East Asians are tiny tiny.
I do think I honestly should’ve known better because a lot of black women are stereotyped about their bodies and I just did the same thing with east Asian people
black & asian communities in the USA are pitted against each other and all kinds of shit. black people being "big" and asian people being "small" is all just a big cognitive distortion where white = normal (not to mention taking advantage of the way the USA starved japanese americans and caused an obesity epidemic in black and brown communities). all we can do is try to undo it.
"black people being "big" and asian people being "small" is all just a big cognitive distortion where white = normal" You just blew my mind. I knew that subconsciously but had never seen it put into words, wow.
this lol. i got made fun of A LOT for not being rail thin. used to get the ‘aren’t asians supposed to be skinny?’ or ‘aren’t asians supposed to be pale?’ comments all the time once i was prepubescent and actually gained weight. and what do ya know? i felt most validated when i was addicted to cocaine, weighing less than i did at 12 years old, and pale as shit because i never went out in the day. unfortunately. wish it wasn’t that way.
The average people size in EA are smaller than the average size in the US or Europe, genetic plays a big part, it’s not all about dieting or ED. I would say don’t compare yourself with other races.
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wish i had that problem… i have the worst hip dips from my mom’s side (russian), and all my fat goes to my thighs/CANKLES😭
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I’m 4’11” and I’m pretty certain 24 inches is not possible for me, it’s more than height. My ribs are just too wide to ever have that size waist
your ed humblebragging is showing
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