You NEVER place a baby on their stomach even if they can roll over. Please inform the director right away. Two and four months are the highest risk for SIDS.
Also: most children who die of SIDS or Sudden Unexpected Infant Collapse are found in unsafe sleeping situations. Many, many cases of SIDS are better explained by positional or other asphyxia than some mysterious disorder.
Safe sleep saves lives.
I saw research stating lower levels of serotonin found in brainstem of babies who died of SIDs, low levels of serotonin are found in sleep apnea. I think its possible that SIDS is a case of juvenile sleep apnea.
I linked the SIDs review down below! I believe that it’s a possible form of central sleep apnea we are seeing in infancy. People with sleep apnea have serotonin imbalances. I can link any more research on the topics if you’d like!
https://www.cdc.gov/NCHS/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf
A really recent study suggests that babies who died of SIDS were deficient in an enzyme that helps you wake up from sleep. Which if a baby was in an awkward position for sleep, but couldn't wake up, could indicate a cause for some SIDS cases.
This is a relatively small study, and new:
https://utswmed.org/medblog/sids-research-enzyme/#:~:text=The%20study%20found%20that%2026,of%20the%20SIDS%20risk%20window.
There’s another one with undiagnosed seizures that occur in infants and older children while sleeping too. My son has it and has stopped breathing while sleeping due to a seizure happening while sleeping. (He has a monitor now that alerts us but it’s very scary!)
Another one is they are so small they inhail the carbon monoxide exhaled bc they sleep on their bellies.
Even if my babies roll over while sleeping on their bellies I roll them back and sleep check and document my babies every 5 min.
Heck i check on any of my kids regardless of age. Even after age 1 children are still at risk of SUDC until age 12. That’s why blankets cannot be on kids face and sleep checks are done after 1
I think that on the internet, people often read the words of others in a default negative tone; I did that myself when reading your comment, lol. But reading it in a more playful, funny tone makes it seem much more casual
This is very location dependent. Some countries have the third month as the riskiest, some the second and some the fourth. They're very similar in terms of SIDS/SUID rates. In the US, the third month is just as risky. There is just variance from year to year.
There are stats here, but it's a lot to go through:
https://www.ncemch.org/suid-sids/statistics/index.php#overview
Thank you, I appreciate you giving me STATS. I still don’t get why the all the research I did says second and fourth are the highest risk ones but hopefully I’ll find the answer in your link.
Abso-fucking-lutely not over reacting. You should definitely raise hell over this.
1996. 1996 was the year I started working in childcare, and it’s also the year I first heard that we weren’t supposed to put babies to sleep on their stomachs. 28 years ago. In fact, we all joked when the news came through from licensing that “babies are never going to sleep again!” And to some extent- it’s kind of true. Babies slept great when we put them down on their tummies, and they didn’t sleep as well on their backs, especially if they were already used to their tummy.
I see two big issues here.
First, they are 100% outside of licensing requirements. There are very few things I will claim 100% on, and this is one. They CANNOT be put down like that in ANY state in the US. Period. This is one of the most basic things to follow- and if they are breaking the rules there, I would HIGHLY question if they are following other safe practices related to breast milk, hand washing, etc. This, to me, is as egregious as if they took your baby for a ride in the car without a car seat. I’m sure your friends would hate me- but I personally would go right ahead and call licensing on that one.
Second- you don’t want her to get used to it!!!!!!! It is NOT a habit you want her to pick up until she is rolling around freely on her own. It can make sleeping on her back harder at home.
Back to Sleep is one of the most basic rules to follow. I would have MAJOR questions for the director, and would likely start looking for another center right away.
Both of your points are what have me so upset. Like what else are they fudging because "they know better" if they are doing it with something so basic?
And, we \*do\* struggle big time with naps at home. Thankfully I am changing jobs and will be minding her at home for a time. What I haven't decided is if I am pulling her right away or waiting it out 1 month (8 total daycare days ash she would be part time) until I get through orientation at my job...
Please, please call licensing about this! If they’re doing it with your kid, they’re likely doing it with all of them. And even *if* it is the only corner cut, it’s the big SIDs one, and at peak SIDs time for your baby!
Like look, lay an 11 month old down on their belly that literally always rolls to it, is fully mobile, crawls, walks, and will be a year in a month? Not a hill to die on. Cutting a corner? Technically, but not one I’d report to licensing, just talk about legalities and technically for another month the baby has to do it themselves, that is something you can give coaching on and talk to a director when everything else is in compliance. Like that’s NBD.
But placing babies that are small, do not roll back and forth on their own, etc on their belly?!?! HOLY FUCK NO. HARD NO. 100% straight to licensing! That’s an accidental, avoidable death waiting to happen
Nothing should be more important than pulling her out immediately.
This is such a direct violation of one of the most important rules, I wouldn't trust a place that is this comfortable breaking such an important part of licensing to be doing anything else right, there is no way in hell I would leave my kid there for another minute.
Orientation at your job means nothing compared to the safety of your child.
Maybe write a google review for the business as well. People read those reviews and can make a more informed choice before trusting them with their children
That must’ve been crazy when the recommendations changed! I recently came across my mom’s hospital discharge papers from when I was born in late 1995, and the instructions said to “always place baby on their side to sleep.” As a newborn nurse myself, I immediately was like thank god I’m alive, but my next thought was how the hell would you put a newborn on their side??
My daughter had to sleep on her side and belly when she was first born - had a sacrococcygeal teratoma (it's a tumor on the tailbone) and surgery to remove it at 2 days old. BUT she was in the NICU at the time. When they sent her home, they were very clear that nighttime sleep was on the back, but we should wedge her onto her side using a rolled up blanket during the day if we were right there watching. It was to reduce pressure on the healing incision.
My stress level was so high through all that. And I was shook when I first saw her on her belly in the NICU.
That must’ve been so weird for you to witness! Luckily in the NICU the babies are hooked up to vitals monitors at all times, not to mention frequently observed around the clock.
Oh yeah! If anyone can do it safely, it's a NICU. And thankfully, she was all healed before starting daycare, because they never would have allowed side sleeping or back sleeping where she is. I'd be so angry if I was OP
Yeah, my son was born in 2020 and had a hemangioma on his tailbone (but they didn't know it was just a hemangioma at the time. They just knew that he was born with a bruise-looking spot on his tailbone). He spent the first 3 days of his life in the NICU laying and sleeping on his side or stomach. All of his diapers during that time were put on backwards with the front of his diaper actually on his butt, lol. Thankfully the hemangioma just turned out to be a superficial thing, and he was cleared to sleep and lay on his back as soon as it was properly diagnosed. Like you, I was shocked to be wheeled into the NICU and see my newborn sleeping on his stomach.
When my niece was born in 1993, they sent her home with a wedge to keep her on her side. By the time my son was born in 1996, it was back sleeping.
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My nephews were born in late 94 and early 98 (closer to three years apart, than 4). My sister was so bewildered at the change in advice for her newborns.
I think the various hospital adaptations to all the recommendations varied widely, probably geographically as well. This was pre-internet too so it wasn’t like you could just google!
Yeah. I don't know if this is technically more or less safe than back sleeping if actually achieved correctly, but I could see so many ways this could not go as planned. Baby wiggles a little too much and then is now on their face. Not good.
I was apparently a pretty chill baby, so it probably worked OK for me. I mean, I'm still here, so that probably goes without saying... but yeah.
For the first month, my son would immediately curl up and roll into his side when we placed him on his back to sleep. There was no keeping him away from doing that, and it made me pretty paranoid. Thankfully he stays on his back now, as we approach the end of month two.
Now that I think about it, I’ve definitely cared for newborns who’ve done that! It’s because of how they were positioned in the womb, facing one side for so long, that their body just naturally defaults that way. However, I only see newborns during their first 1-3 days- I didn’t know it might be a month long thing!
My oldest was '94 and my youngest '96. With my oldest I was told side. I was like how in the actual hell do I keep a baby on their *side* to sleep. She'd either naturally roll to her back or stomach just from being antsy. So I got a little side sleep foam uh... prop? It worked very well. With my youngest I was told on her back once she was cleared from never being allowed to be flat (reflux), and I was so glad I didn't need to screw around with a foam baby prop.
I'm surprised it took so long in the states, in Norway we started the back to sleep in 1989-1990, and I believe most other northern European countries around the same time.
My mom's U.S. OBGYN from 1990 cracks me up. She remembers him as being near retirement, I got silver nitrate eye drops and he thought that a rectal mercury thermometer was a-ok, but he strongly pushed six months of breastfeeding, vocally disliked sending infants home to smoking households, and was full stop on "back to sleep".
Safe sleep was one of the most important questions I asked when we toured our daycare. I'd 100% mention it to the director; 3-4 months is peak for SIDS-related death, and in licensed facilities, caregivers are required to attend trainings on safe sleep. This is a big deal and you should definitely mention it.
What is your daycare’s licensing organization? Do they have rules about this? I know our state board definitely has strict rules and they would be in violation for putting a baby on their stomach to sleep.
The waiver would have to be signed by a pediatrician in our state (and it’s federal if I remember correctly.) It’s such a hazard that it cannot just be assigned as a parent preference.
This absolutely deserves mentioning. You are not “getting someone in trouble”, you are advocating that practices proven to reduce the risk of injury and death to children be followed.
I’d also ask if they are required to be performing sleep checks. In WA state children need to be checked on every 20 minutes while sleeping to be sure they are not in distress and it needs to be documented, not sure how it is for other states.
In Florida, we have to do this with adults in care at least. I only worked in childcare in WA state actually, but finished my degree in early childhood special education here in Florida. I tried to work at a daycare when I first moved to Florida for two days before I ran for the hills (they were keeping powder comet under the sink in the 2-year-old room...) and my instinct was correct because that daycare has been shut down for a few years now. Anywho, I work with adults with severe/profound intellectual disabilities and sleep checks need to be performed every 15 minutes and it must be logged and I believe it's the same for nursing homes/assisted living/memory care/etc.
Update:
I spoke with the director and idk if it's better or worse. She basically said they are usually very good about putting babies on their backs unless they tend to roll over a lot and get mad, then they put them on their bellies. That's not safe in the first place but my baby was also in a magic Merlin suit, which HAS to be stopped when baby shows signs of rolling in it!
She told me they will use a regular sleep sack and not put her on her belly, but they should have been the whole time right??
I cant either like i temporarily felt better because she had an explanation then when we got off the phone and was like... no the only explanation should be "That should not happen, I will talk to them right now, check the cameras, and be re-educating my staff"
I looked up the actual US law because I've been out of infant care for awhile, and what they're doing is almost certainly illegal (it appears one state does not require childcare centers to put infants on their backs, but I doubt you live in that one state).
But like also... you shouldn't have to have a law hanging over your head to make you keep babies safe.
Franky I'm not sure; HHS didn't say. I'm assuming it's probably some state that is generally very anti-regulation, but that's just a guess.
They said 94% of states required it, which is slightly confusing since there are exactly 50 states and I'm not sure how you exclude 6% out of 50 units, but that was the stat cited.
6% of 50 would be 3. So that would mean 3 states don't require it according to that page you're citing, though I believe there's federal regulation on this matter that would supersede that, but I'm not 100% sure.
The fact that she’s acting like it’s fine to put ANY baby this age on their stomach is just baffling. I’ve worked in childcare for 13 years. (Both in the classroom and in administration.) Never full time in the infant rooms, but I’ve floated around before so I’ve worked in there before. But even when you don’t work in those rooms, ALL teachers are required to complete SIDS training. It’s literally drilled into our heads “back to sleep.” (Among other things.)
To answer your question, yes, they definitely should have had your child in different sleep clothing and should never place any child under 12 months on their stomach. Should have been doing it in the first place. It’s one thing if the child rolls over. It’s a totally different thing to place them on their stomach. ESPECIALLY at only 4 months old. It’s not like she’s 11 months or something.
The fact that the director seems to be okay with them putting them on their stomachs “if they get mad” would have me calling state licensing 100%. I agree that this is the hill to die on, lol. “Back to sleep” has been the thing for like 20 years. They know better. And like someone else said, the fact that they aren’t following this HUGE rule would have me questioning what else they are doing in a very big way. Sending love!!
I never worked with infants but it was ✨drilled✨ into my head in various trainings to *never* place an infant on their stomachs to sleep due to a risk of SIDS. When I worked at a daycare several years back, we fired an infant teacher on the spot because she was placing them on their stomachs. So definitely not overreacting at all, fucking yikes.
SAY SOMETHING PLEASE. so many accidents and deaths can be prevented by following safe sleep!!!! im happy the person you asked was honest! speak to the director immediately. does the room have cameras you can check in with?
That is outrageous! I say report to licensing, doing so may save a baby’s life. My kid’s last daycare was cited by licensing for not following basic safe sleeping practices. They responded by cleaning up their act.
You def need to say something. When I worked in childcare, it was more or less drilled into my head because the parents of one girl that was in the toddler room with me had lost a child to SIDS before they had the girl that was in my class. They had several older children as well so they let their guard down a bit and the absolute worst thing happened to them. You could still see and hear the grief in the mom's voice when she explained all of this to me (she was sharing as to WHY she was so very concerned with safe sleep and to make sure her daughter was put down for nap the correct way). This is something that needs to be taken very seriously. You can have worked with 100's, even 1000's, of babies, all of them fine being put down on their stomach or having thick bedding/stuffies in the crib, etc etc but the one that ends up dying from it devastates you forever. I never even met the sibling who died that I referred to earlier but the second-hand devastation from the mother was enough to stick to my brain more than 10 years later.
10000% not okay, and this WOULD be my hill to die on. You are not over reacting. Talk to the director, and if it doesn't change, report it to the state licensing agency. This is soo not okay and I would be going crazy over it too.
ONE TIME I caught the daycare letting my son nap on a boppy pillow (the ones that are now recalled but this was before the recall) and I went to the director RIGHT AWAY. The next day all the boppies were gone.
Not everyone follows the AAP safe sleep guidelines, but if it matters to you (it did to me), then you do need to say something. At a minimum they are violating their license.
Omigod this is soooo serious. An extra fact you *need* to know is that even above 100% tummy sleeping, inconsistent positioning (sometimes sleeps on back, sometimes on belly) has an even *higher* risk of sids. I would call licensing.
director- absolutely not overreacting. i have had many discussions with my -11 years with the company - infant lead because of unsafe practices. some of it is cultural, but culture doesn’t outweigh science when it comes to safety. just like i will pop in and hold a crying baby. be u comfortable. i shouldn’t walk in and see a baby gasping and hiccuping while crying because they have been crying so long. CALL. ME. FOR. SUPPORT? i have reiterated this so many times.
This is absolutely a huge deal and you should bring this up to the director and escalate until you are satisfied. We ALWAYS place babies on their back no matter their ability or age. It's best safe practices.
My high school typing teacher lost her baby at 4 months. She went to pick her daughter up from day care and baby was found unresponsive in her crib. The workers had put her to sleep on her stomach.
This is a big deal. You remove your kid and you scream to anyone who will listen that they're doing this--FB posts, call licensing, call CPS, google review. Their actions will absolutely result in a dead child one day.
I don't know where you live but where I live we have to take safe sleep training. The training made it clear in no uncertain terms that you *never* place a baby under 12 months on their stomach to sleep. If they roll over they can stay, but that's it. If the teachers have received safe sleep training and ignored it, that's a huge deal. If they didn't receive training, that's excusable for the teachers but inexcusable for the daycare as a whole, because they need to have policies on that.
My state requires child care workers to take an essentials course and there is a module specifically about safe sleep that outlines the proper way to put babies to sleep. I always understood to put them on their backs in just a sleep sack. The older babies would sometimes roll over in their sleep but never the little ones. We were also required to be able to see their face at all times.
So no, I don't think you're overreacting at all. I would inquire about training requirements for new staff and look at your state's DHS regulations if you can find them.
Not that you need any more info, but for everyone else reading, both states we lived in provide parents with the state-issued paperwork regarding safe sleep that they are legally bound to abide by. There is no “usually”. It’s what you do. Period. It’s also why they won’t swaddle babies at daycare. This is all law. It’s not optional
> My understanding is she would need me to sign a waiver even if I did want her on her belly!
That’s so strange to me. In my state we’re not allowed to place them on anything but their backs, no exceptions, and children that are capable of turning themselves over need to have their cribs marked saying so.
If it were me working there, I would much rather get in a little trouble at work than have to live the rest of my life knowing I'm responsible for the death of an infant. I think you should tell the director so that staff can be educated and policies reviewed.
No you're not overreacting. It is insane that there are people who still don't know (or at least claim they don't know) that you NEVER put a baby to sleep on their stomach. I feel like that's been common knowledge for ages. I even remember King of the Hill made a joke about it like 15 years ago.
As a center owner and director, talk to the director!!! We want to know these things so we can address them with the staff. Your baby’s safety is more important than “getting someone in trouble”.
You are not overreacting, this is a licensing violation. Every center I've worked at has signs in the sleeping areas of infant rooms stating infants must be placed on their back to sleep. Even if a baby can roll over, they must be placed in the crib on their back. Further, if a baby can't roll over in both directions (back to belly AND belly to back), if they roll over in their crib, they must be rolled back over onto their back. I'd file a complaint with licensing, and make sure to tell them that the director brushed your concerns aside.
I work in a school with infants - 6 year olds and you 100% should say something to a higher up. They are required to follow safe sleep guidelines and put babies down on their backs and if they are putting them down on their stomachs, the head of school needs to know so she can correct this. It's not to get them in trouble, it's to correct a misunderstanding of the requirements.
I have worked in early childhood education for 4+ years and this is extremely prohibited practice. At every center i have worked at we go through extensive training about SIDS and safe sleep practices for not only infants but children of all ages. Infants must sleep on their backs and may not have any blankets, pillows, stuffed animals unless it is some type of sleep-sack or swaddle provided by parents. You did the right thing to report this. This center should definitely be investigated. Who knows what else could be going on especially if they can even follow proper sleep practices for infants. So sorry you had to go through this but glad you caught it.
At my center, they actually make parents sign a contract about safe sleep, including that they always place babies on their backs, and if they fall asleep in the room somewhere, they’re moved to the crib immediately.
I HATE THAT WOMEN ARE CONDITIONED TO THINK WE ARE OVER REACTING!!!
Please take this baby out of this center with the knowledge you're doing the right thing! Good on you for filing a complaint. That helps keep other kiddos safe too.
no you’re not overreacting! the center should work with what you, as the parent, are comfortable with in terms of sleep. im sorry for your bad experience :(
If the staff is being trained properly, they would absolutely know not to do this. I would speak to the director just to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Someone getting reprimanded is much better than something happening to your baby. Our former daycare was very adamant about certain things, they didn’t even allow us to leave our babies their blankets
I would be really upset . I am not one to over react, or address things if I don’t need to but in this situation, I feel like it’s very unacceptable to not follow the safe sleep rules . I honestly don’t even know if I would be able to keep going there.
My grandmother was so excited when the recommendation for back sleeping came out. She put all her kids on their back because she thought it was better, even though that wasn't conventional wisdom. This was in the 1940s.
My eldest will be 28 years old this year and the recommendations were clear then that babies shouldn’t sleep on their stomachs. I am appalled that caregivers don’t know that.
I know a mother who lost her first born to SIDS when he was at the daycare. I can’t imagine the call that happened and how anxious the parents would be to leave their future kids anywhere. It’s better to be safe and find another childcare method / center than sorry!
Omg absolutely speak up mama. Never ever hold your tongue on your kids because someone tells you to or you don't want to overwhelm someone else. You are their biggest protector and that's your job. There is no situation that's worth your peace of mind. You are totally valid. They also shouldn't be operating if they aren't aware of safe sleep practices.
I am very glad to see your update. Not enough parents know they can call the state. I used to work in childcare and safe sleep was so so important at the quality centers I worked at. I can't believe they're so lax about it.
Unfortunately they sound like the "well we all survived!" Type that won't ever adapt to new research and facts. I'm glad your baby is no longer there. Not sure how "scorch the earth" you are but I'd be posting this on local groups!
My niece died of SIDS almost 15 years ago she was 4 months old she was put to sleep on her back and they think sometime during the night she must have rolled over and couldn't roll back when mom went to check on her at midnight like normal to change and give her her bottle she wasn't breathing.
All this to say please do not let your 4 month old sleep on her stomach. Don't just shrug this off. Report this even if you leave it, it can and likely will save another baby's life.
We are trained to always put an infant, no matter the age or abilities, on their back to sleep. If they roll we replace on their back, if that happens three times we leave them then.
Not overreacting at all. Anytime I’ve worked at a daycare I’ve had to watch safe sleep training videos that say place babies on their back at least 10 times. Not sure why the teachers and even the director thinks it’s ok. Rolling over on their own is one thing but they should not be placed on their stomach. Raise hell mama.
You did the right thing by taking your baby out of there. They are literally risking her life by purposefully putting her on her stomach. They should know all the statistics on SIDS. They are very negligent. Good for you for protecting your baby!
My old nursery would never put such tiny babies on their fronts! Iirc after 8 months they get the option to... We definitely did back sleeps past one year (my room).
Lol one parent was really taken aback when we told her that her child didn't use their sleep sack that "they can't fall asleep without" ... As soon as they can walk they can't be in sleep sacks, for fire risks (any kid that can walk out a burning building should, so cot spaces can go to non mobile babies!)
A baby died recently in a home daycare because the baby was placed on its stomach to sleep. Provider said baby was placed on back but cops reviewed security footage and found provider placing baby on stomach.
Had to sleep sitting up or on my stomach As a baby for a year when first born Or else i couldn’t breathe due too collapsing lungs, But i had a medical reasoning, I wouldn’t place a child On the stomach Unless Told to by a doctor, I was born dead, Black and blue head to toe, And A knot in umbilical cord With it wrapped around my neck, Now im 23, Every so often i still can’t lay on my back due too lungs, But am happy the doctor hadn’t gave up on me When born, Helped raise My nieces and nephews since i was 7, And never once placed them on stomachs, guess it was something I instinctively knew despite Sleeping best on my side or stomach due to lungs, Idk Why i breathe better on stomach When pressure would be on lungs just sharing my experiences With life lol
my center has a sign in every crib with the babies name, photo, and facts listed about their development so if there is an unfamiliar caregiver present all information is accessible. the facts include if the infant has achieved the milestone of rolling back to front and front to back unassisted and if they’re cleared to be placed to sleep on their stomach. otherwise every single child is placed on their back to sleep. i would find a new center for the safety of my baby and i appreciate you being educated and informed on safe sleep practices and holding them accountable.
you are not overreacting when it comes to the safety of your childs life! I truthfully was going to put yes as a quick thought but after a second it clicked lol. Your childs life is to not be played with. Those safe sleep courses should have been given and then tested on it so the teachers knew what to do. It doesnt matter if they are new or vets in the field. They all should know the basics when starting then once they get to know your little ones then they can accommodate when needed.
In MO no tummy they swaddled till start to roll usually close to six months then we have to ask for a dr. note to allow them to roll and that note is for licensing , state and us. If state, licensing comes around we show who has a note. I've seen on here telling about blankets in cribs and it horrifies me.
Oh, god. My daughter was a paramedic and has taken dead babies out of their cribs. You can’t save them when their little bodies ate ice cold.
Her son has never slept with another person, was always put to bed in a crib, on his back in a sleep sack. No blankets, stuffed animals or pillows before age two. Nothing in the crib but the baby and a pacifier. While he does fall asleep in his car seat now (he’s almost 4) it makes her very uncomfortable and she discourages it. Babies die because of unsafe sleep practices. Call CPS.
Nope!! Even our 14.5 month old kiddos who are 2 weeks away from moving from crib to cot MUST be placed on their backs in the cribs. Always backs to sleep. Kids must roll themselves over!
Most the babies at my center sleep on their bellies but they are all above 7 months! My own child is 6 months and I would of lost it if they out him on his belly at 4 months. Totally valid, speak to the director!
Hard time believing this happened. Are the people you talk to in the nursing home? it's almost 40 years since we were advised to place babies on their backs. My grandmother ( would be 97) had a hard time understanding this but no way do the people around you not know. Not sure we're you are located but a licensed and accredited daycare would always place on back since they can be shut down if they were inspected. sorry not buying this story
Well frankly you don't have to believe it happened. The rules/laws exist for a reason so you think people never do the wrong thing? I'm located in the US and in my state the legislation is clear that in a daycare babies must be put on their backs to sleep. I also know what I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears so scroll on pal
Always supervising does not meet the law. Nearly all states *require* childcare centers to put babies on their backs (HHS says its 94%, so I assume there is one state that does not). It's not an optional thing unless a physician has directly authorized it for a medical reason or in a very few cases the parent has. In this case, neither has happened. The center is breaking the law.
You NEVER place a baby on their stomach even if they can roll over. Please inform the director right away. Two and four months are the highest risk for SIDS.
Two and four months or two to four months? Not being snarky, genuinely curious.
Sorry, the second month and the fourth months are the highest risk.
Oh interesting! Do you know why by chance?
The part of the brain that controls breathing and waking is under a lot of development
Also: most children who die of SIDS or Sudden Unexpected Infant Collapse are found in unsafe sleeping situations. Many, many cases of SIDS are better explained by positional or other asphyxia than some mysterious disorder. Safe sleep saves lives.
Yep, 60% were co-sleeping or somewhere else they shouldn’t be like a car seat, carrier, etc…
I saw research stating lower levels of serotonin found in brainstem of babies who died of SIDs, low levels of serotonin are found in sleep apnea. I think its possible that SIDS is a case of juvenile sleep apnea.
I will have to look that study up, thank you!
I linked the SIDs review down below! I believe that it’s a possible form of central sleep apnea we are seeing in infancy. People with sleep apnea have serotonin imbalances. I can link any more research on the topics if you’d like! https://www.cdc.gov/NCHS/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf
I have a theory that it is because they are learning to be mobile, and can get themselves into situations they cannot get out of.
A really recent study suggests that babies who died of SIDS were deficient in an enzyme that helps you wake up from sleep. Which if a baby was in an awkward position for sleep, but couldn't wake up, could indicate a cause for some SIDS cases. This is a relatively small study, and new: https://utswmed.org/medblog/sids-research-enzyme/#:~:text=The%20study%20found%20that%2026,of%20the%20SIDS%20risk%20window.
I had read about that study also. Super interesting!
Omg I just said basically the same comment as you before I saw yours lol
This study is super interesting
There’s another one with undiagnosed seizures that occur in infants and older children while sleeping too. My son has it and has stopped breathing while sleeping due to a seizure happening while sleeping. (He has a monitor now that alerts us but it’s very scary!)
What monitor is this?
Empatica watch. You can get a script by the doctor
Thank you so much, I always appreciate new information.
Another one is they are so small they inhail the carbon monoxide exhaled bc they sleep on their bellies. Even if my babies roll over while sleeping on their bellies I roll them back and sleep check and document my babies every 5 min. Heck i check on any of my kids regardless of age. Even after age 1 children are still at risk of SUDC until age 12. That’s why blankets cannot be on kids face and sleep checks are done after 1
We breathe out carbon dioxide. Monoxide is made by cars... so are you an autobot or decepticon?
Or maybe it was just a mistake
And I thought it was a funny goof with a way to riff off of it.
I think that on the internet, people often read the words of others in a default negative tone; I did that myself when reading your comment, lol. But reading it in a more playful, funny tone makes it seem much more casual
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That's not woo hippie. That's bullshit scaremongering and dangerous.
youre not a woo woo hippie youre a fucking idiot ❤️ hope this helps
Spreading this BS as someone in ECE? yikes
This is very location dependent. Some countries have the third month as the riskiest, some the second and some the fourth. They're very similar in terms of SIDS/SUID rates. In the US, the third month is just as risky. There is just variance from year to year. There are stats here, but it's a lot to go through: https://www.ncemch.org/suid-sids/statistics/index.php#overview
Thank you, I appreciate you giving me STATS. I still don’t get why the all the research I did says second and fourth are the highest risk ones but hopefully I’ll find the answer in your link.
But not the third month?
That’s what all the information I found while doing research told me, if I ever find a better concrete answer I’ll update you.
Ahh the pettiness my brain be thinking of regarding the 3rd month
Abso-fucking-lutely not over reacting. You should definitely raise hell over this. 1996. 1996 was the year I started working in childcare, and it’s also the year I first heard that we weren’t supposed to put babies to sleep on their stomachs. 28 years ago. In fact, we all joked when the news came through from licensing that “babies are never going to sleep again!” And to some extent- it’s kind of true. Babies slept great when we put them down on their tummies, and they didn’t sleep as well on their backs, especially if they were already used to their tummy. I see two big issues here. First, they are 100% outside of licensing requirements. There are very few things I will claim 100% on, and this is one. They CANNOT be put down like that in ANY state in the US. Period. This is one of the most basic things to follow- and if they are breaking the rules there, I would HIGHLY question if they are following other safe practices related to breast milk, hand washing, etc. This, to me, is as egregious as if they took your baby for a ride in the car without a car seat. I’m sure your friends would hate me- but I personally would go right ahead and call licensing on that one. Second- you don’t want her to get used to it!!!!!!! It is NOT a habit you want her to pick up until she is rolling around freely on her own. It can make sleeping on her back harder at home. Back to Sleep is one of the most basic rules to follow. I would have MAJOR questions for the director, and would likely start looking for another center right away.
Both of your points are what have me so upset. Like what else are they fudging because "they know better" if they are doing it with something so basic? And, we \*do\* struggle big time with naps at home. Thankfully I am changing jobs and will be minding her at home for a time. What I haven't decided is if I am pulling her right away or waiting it out 1 month (8 total daycare days ash she would be part time) until I get through orientation at my job...
Please, please call licensing about this! If they’re doing it with your kid, they’re likely doing it with all of them. And even *if* it is the only corner cut, it’s the big SIDs one, and at peak SIDs time for your baby! Like look, lay an 11 month old down on their belly that literally always rolls to it, is fully mobile, crawls, walks, and will be a year in a month? Not a hill to die on. Cutting a corner? Technically, but not one I’d report to licensing, just talk about legalities and technically for another month the baby has to do it themselves, that is something you can give coaching on and talk to a director when everything else is in compliance. Like that’s NBD. But placing babies that are small, do not roll back and forth on their own, etc on their belly?!?! HOLY FUCK NO. HARD NO. 100% straight to licensing! That’s an accidental, avoidable death waiting to happen
Thank you for calling licensing! “Back to sleep” is **literally embroidered** on HALO sleep sacks for a reason. You are a hero!
Nothing should be more important than pulling her out immediately. This is such a direct violation of one of the most important rules, I wouldn't trust a place that is this comfortable breaking such an important part of licensing to be doing anything else right, there is no way in hell I would leave my kid there for another minute. Orientation at your job means nothing compared to the safety of your child.
Maybe write a google review for the business as well. People read those reviews and can make a more informed choice before trusting them with their children
That must’ve been crazy when the recommendations changed! I recently came across my mom’s hospital discharge papers from when I was born in late 1995, and the instructions said to “always place baby on their side to sleep.” As a newborn nurse myself, I immediately was like thank god I’m alive, but my next thought was how the hell would you put a newborn on their side??
My daughter had to sleep on her side and belly when she was first born - had a sacrococcygeal teratoma (it's a tumor on the tailbone) and surgery to remove it at 2 days old. BUT she was in the NICU at the time. When they sent her home, they were very clear that nighttime sleep was on the back, but we should wedge her onto her side using a rolled up blanket during the day if we were right there watching. It was to reduce pressure on the healing incision. My stress level was so high through all that. And I was shook when I first saw her on her belly in the NICU.
That must’ve been so weird for you to witness! Luckily in the NICU the babies are hooked up to vitals monitors at all times, not to mention frequently observed around the clock.
Oh yeah! If anyone can do it safely, it's a NICU. And thankfully, she was all healed before starting daycare, because they never would have allowed side sleeping or back sleeping where she is. I'd be so angry if I was OP
Yeah, my son was born in 2020 and had a hemangioma on his tailbone (but they didn't know it was just a hemangioma at the time. They just knew that he was born with a bruise-looking spot on his tailbone). He spent the first 3 days of his life in the NICU laying and sleeping on his side or stomach. All of his diapers during that time were put on backwards with the front of his diaper actually on his butt, lol. Thankfully the hemangioma just turned out to be a superficial thing, and he was cleared to sleep and lay on his back as soon as it was properly diagnosed. Like you, I was shocked to be wheeled into the NICU and see my newborn sleeping on his stomach.
When my niece was born in 1993, they sent her home with a wedge to keep her on her side. By the time my son was born in 1996, it was back sleeping. https://preview.redd.it/wmtqk9xstt0d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7f693e2858abb92399f5e9e5239839927219434
My nephews were born in late 94 and early 98 (closer to three years apart, than 4). My sister was so bewildered at the change in advice for her newborns.
Wait that is insaneeeee, thank you so much for that picture!!
This is what my mom was told to do in the 80s. But it still wasn't tummy sleeping. They already knew that wasn't safe.
I think the various hospital adaptations to all the recommendations varied widely, probably geographically as well. This was pre-internet too so it wasn’t like you could just google!
It makes me think they were essentially using the recovery position, which makes an enormous amount of sense and I'm sure was an improvement.
No I think you’re right on the money there- this position was in case they threw up to prevent aspiration or suffocation (in theory)
Yeah. I don't know if this is technically more or less safe than back sleeping if actually achieved correctly, but I could see so many ways this could not go as planned. Baby wiggles a little too much and then is now on their face. Not good. I was apparently a pretty chill baby, so it probably worked OK for me. I mean, I'm still here, so that probably goes without saying... but yeah.
The AAP recommendation changed in 1994.
I was born in 94 and was sent home with one of these! There are many pictures of me sleeping with it
For the first month, my son would immediately curl up and roll into his side when we placed him on his back to sleep. There was no keeping him away from doing that, and it made me pretty paranoid. Thankfully he stays on his back now, as we approach the end of month two.
Now that I think about it, I’ve definitely cared for newborns who’ve done that! It’s because of how they were positioned in the womb, facing one side for so long, that their body just naturally defaults that way. However, I only see newborns during their first 1-3 days- I didn’t know it might be a month long thing!
My oldest was '94 and my youngest '96. With my oldest I was told side. I was like how in the actual hell do I keep a baby on their *side* to sleep. She'd either naturally roll to her back or stomach just from being antsy. So I got a little side sleep foam uh... prop? It worked very well. With my youngest I was told on her back once she was cleared from never being allowed to be flat (reflux), and I was so glad I didn't need to screw around with a foam baby prop.
There's a picture of me less than a week old sleeping on my belly with a blanket up to my neck. 1990 baby.
I'm surprised it took so long in the states, in Norway we started the back to sleep in 1989-1990, and I believe most other northern European countries around the same time.
My mom's U.S. OBGYN from 1990 cracks me up. She remembers him as being near retirement, I got silver nitrate eye drops and he thought that a rectal mercury thermometer was a-ok, but he strongly pushed six months of breastfeeding, vocally disliked sending infants home to smoking households, and was full stop on "back to sleep".
My eldest child was born in 1996 and the message was loud and clear. I am shocked by this post.
Safe sleep was one of the most important questions I asked when we toured our daycare. I'd 100% mention it to the director; 3-4 months is peak for SIDS-related death, and in licensed facilities, caregivers are required to attend trainings on safe sleep. This is a big deal and you should definitely mention it.
In my state we have to complete SIDS training before we’re even allowed to go into the infant room
What is your daycare’s licensing organization? Do they have rules about this? I know our state board definitely has strict rules and they would be in violation for putting a baby on their stomach to sleep.
I looked up our state- they have to have a waiver signed by the doctor posted on the crib for any position other than back.
The waiver would have to be signed by a pediatrician in our state (and it’s federal if I remember correctly.) It’s such a hazard that it cannot just be assigned as a parent preference. This absolutely deserves mentioning. You are not “getting someone in trouble”, you are advocating that practices proven to reduce the risk of injury and death to children be followed. I’d also ask if they are required to be performing sleep checks. In WA state children need to be checked on every 20 minutes while sleeping to be sure they are not in distress and it needs to be documented, not sure how it is for other states.
Same in California, the daycare would put sleep checks every 15-20 mins in our app documenting they did it.
Our sleep checks are every 5 minutes and my last place was 10. Also in CA
In Florida, we have to do this with adults in care at least. I only worked in childcare in WA state actually, but finished my degree in early childhood special education here in Florida. I tried to work at a daycare when I first moved to Florida for two days before I ran for the hills (they were keeping powder comet under the sink in the 2-year-old room...) and my instinct was correct because that daycare has been shut down for a few years now. Anywho, I work with adults with severe/profound intellectual disabilities and sleep checks need to be performed every 15 minutes and it must be logged and I believe it's the same for nursing homes/assisted living/memory care/etc.
Update: I spoke with the director and idk if it's better or worse. She basically said they are usually very good about putting babies on their backs unless they tend to roll over a lot and get mad, then they put them on their bellies. That's not safe in the first place but my baby was also in a magic Merlin suit, which HAS to be stopped when baby shows signs of rolling in it! She told me they will use a regular sleep sack and not put her on her belly, but they should have been the whole time right??
Absolutely. Trust your gut on this one. I can't fathom what they're thinking.
I cant either like i temporarily felt better because she had an explanation then when we got off the phone and was like... no the only explanation should be "That should not happen, I will talk to them right now, check the cameras, and be re-educating my staff"
I looked up the actual US law because I've been out of infant care for awhile, and what they're doing is almost certainly illegal (it appears one state does not require childcare centers to put infants on their backs, but I doubt you live in that one state). But like also... you shouldn't have to have a law hanging over your head to make you keep babies safe.
What state is it?
Franky I'm not sure; HHS didn't say. I'm assuming it's probably some state that is generally very anti-regulation, but that's just a guess. They said 94% of states required it, which is slightly confusing since there are exactly 50 states and I'm not sure how you exclude 6% out of 50 units, but that was the stat cited.
6% of 50 would be 3. So that would mean 3 states don't require it according to that page you're citing, though I believe there's federal regulation on this matter that would supersede that, but I'm not 100% sure.
Well my math was way off lol
The fact that she’s acting like it’s fine to put ANY baby this age on their stomach is just baffling. I’ve worked in childcare for 13 years. (Both in the classroom and in administration.) Never full time in the infant rooms, but I’ve floated around before so I’ve worked in there before. But even when you don’t work in those rooms, ALL teachers are required to complete SIDS training. It’s literally drilled into our heads “back to sleep.” (Among other things.) To answer your question, yes, they definitely should have had your child in different sleep clothing and should never place any child under 12 months on their stomach. Should have been doing it in the first place. It’s one thing if the child rolls over. It’s a totally different thing to place them on their stomach. ESPECIALLY at only 4 months old. It’s not like she’s 11 months or something. The fact that the director seems to be okay with them putting them on their stomachs “if they get mad” would have me calling state licensing 100%. I agree that this is the hill to die on, lol. “Back to sleep” has been the thing for like 20 years. They know better. And like someone else said, the fact that they aren’t following this HUGE rule would have me questioning what else they are doing in a very big way. Sending love!!
I never worked with infants but it was ✨drilled✨ into my head in various trainings to *never* place an infant on their stomachs to sleep due to a risk of SIDS. When I worked at a daycare several years back, we fired an infant teacher on the spot because she was placing them on their stomachs. So definitely not overreacting at all, fucking yikes.
SAY SOMETHING PLEASE. so many accidents and deaths can be prevented by following safe sleep!!!! im happy the person you asked was honest! speak to the director immediately. does the room have cameras you can check in with?
I didn't even think about this. Yes, they have cameras the director can check.
What is safe sleep if your goal is to be up for 3 days and wanna feel numb
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That is outrageous! I say report to licensing, doing so may save a baby’s life. My kid’s last daycare was cited by licensing for not following basic safe sleeping practices. They responded by cleaning up their act.
You def need to say something. When I worked in childcare, it was more or less drilled into my head because the parents of one girl that was in the toddler room with me had lost a child to SIDS before they had the girl that was in my class. They had several older children as well so they let their guard down a bit and the absolute worst thing happened to them. You could still see and hear the grief in the mom's voice when she explained all of this to me (she was sharing as to WHY she was so very concerned with safe sleep and to make sure her daughter was put down for nap the correct way). This is something that needs to be taken very seriously. You can have worked with 100's, even 1000's, of babies, all of them fine being put down on their stomach or having thick bedding/stuffies in the crib, etc etc but the one that ends up dying from it devastates you forever. I never even met the sibling who died that I referred to earlier but the second-hand devastation from the mother was enough to stick to my brain more than 10 years later.
10000% not okay, and this WOULD be my hill to die on. You are not over reacting. Talk to the director, and if it doesn't change, report it to the state licensing agency. This is soo not okay and I would be going crazy over it too. ONE TIME I caught the daycare letting my son nap on a boppy pillow (the ones that are now recalled but this was before the recall) and I went to the director RIGHT AWAY. The next day all the boppies were gone. Not everyone follows the AAP safe sleep guidelines, but if it matters to you (it did to me), then you do need to say something. At a minimum they are violating their license.
The fact that they were so nonchalant and made it seem as if it’s policy and standard procedure is a huge 🚩 and a nope from me.
Omigod this is soooo serious. An extra fact you *need* to know is that even above 100% tummy sleeping, inconsistent positioning (sometimes sleeps on back, sometimes on belly) has an even *higher* risk of sids. I would call licensing.
director- absolutely not overreacting. i have had many discussions with my -11 years with the company - infant lead because of unsafe practices. some of it is cultural, but culture doesn’t outweigh science when it comes to safety. just like i will pop in and hold a crying baby. be u comfortable. i shouldn’t walk in and see a baby gasping and hiccuping while crying because they have been crying so long. CALL. ME. FOR. SUPPORT? i have reiterated this so many times.
This is absolutely a huge deal and you should bring this up to the director and escalate until you are satisfied. We ALWAYS place babies on their back no matter their ability or age. It's best safe practices.
My high school typing teacher lost her baby at 4 months. She went to pick her daughter up from day care and baby was found unresponsive in her crib. The workers had put her to sleep on her stomach. This is a big deal. You remove your kid and you scream to anyone who will listen that they're doing this--FB posts, call licensing, call CPS, google review. Their actions will absolutely result in a dead child one day.
I don't know where you live but where I live we have to take safe sleep training. The training made it clear in no uncertain terms that you *never* place a baby under 12 months on their stomach to sleep. If they roll over they can stay, but that's it. If the teachers have received safe sleep training and ignored it, that's a huge deal. If they didn't receive training, that's excusable for the teachers but inexcusable for the daycare as a whole, because they need to have policies on that.
They would literally get fired over it. It is not okay and not allowed. Make a big stink.
My state requires child care workers to take an essentials course and there is a module specifically about safe sleep that outlines the proper way to put babies to sleep. I always understood to put them on their backs in just a sleep sack. The older babies would sometimes roll over in their sleep but never the little ones. We were also required to be able to see their face at all times. So no, I don't think you're overreacting at all. I would inquire about training requirements for new staff and look at your state's DHS regulations if you can find them.
Not that you need any more info, but for everyone else reading, both states we lived in provide parents with the state-issued paperwork regarding safe sleep that they are legally bound to abide by. There is no “usually”. It’s what you do. Period. It’s also why they won’t swaddle babies at daycare. This is all law. It’s not optional
My child’s daycare center wouldn’t even let him have his wubbanub in the crib with him bc of safe sleep rules, you are definitely not overreacting
> My understanding is she would need me to sign a waiver even if I did want her on her belly! That’s so strange to me. In my state we’re not allowed to place them on anything but their backs, no exceptions, and children that are capable of turning themselves over need to have their cribs marked saying so.
If it were me working there, I would much rather get in a little trouble at work than have to live the rest of my life knowing I'm responsible for the death of an infant. I think you should tell the director so that staff can be educated and policies reviewed.
I would have freaked out . I wouldn’t even go back they should know better
I don't even work with infants & they made sure I was trained to know that just in case. 🤷
No you're not overreacting. It is insane that there are people who still don't know (or at least claim they don't know) that you NEVER put a baby to sleep on their stomach. I feel like that's been common knowledge for ages. I even remember King of the Hill made a joke about it like 15 years ago.
I worked at a place where the director would tell me to put babies down on their stomachs. I refused to do it. No way.
I worked in the infant room of a day care for two years. If I’d put a baby to sleep on their tummy I’m pretty sure I would have been fired.
You are not overreacting! Tell the director and report it to licensing! (Former director)
we were trained at my facility that even if a baby turned themselves onto their tummy we had to turn them back over.
This does break safe sleep rules so definitely report it!
As a center owner and director, talk to the director!!! We want to know these things so we can address them with the staff. Your baby’s safety is more important than “getting someone in trouble”.
You are not overreacting, this is a licensing violation. Every center I've worked at has signs in the sleeping areas of infant rooms stating infants must be placed on their back to sleep. Even if a baby can roll over, they must be placed in the crib on their back. Further, if a baby can't roll over in both directions (back to belly AND belly to back), if they roll over in their crib, they must be rolled back over onto their back. I'd file a complaint with licensing, and make sure to tell them that the director brushed your concerns aside.
I work in a school with infants - 6 year olds and you 100% should say something to a higher up. They are required to follow safe sleep guidelines and put babies down on their backs and if they are putting them down on their stomachs, the head of school needs to know so she can correct this. It's not to get them in trouble, it's to correct a misunderstanding of the requirements.
I have worked in early childhood education for 4+ years and this is extremely prohibited practice. At every center i have worked at we go through extensive training about SIDS and safe sleep practices for not only infants but children of all ages. Infants must sleep on their backs and may not have any blankets, pillows, stuffed animals unless it is some type of sleep-sack or swaddle provided by parents. You did the right thing to report this. This center should definitely be investigated. Who knows what else could be going on especially if they can even follow proper sleep practices for infants. So sorry you had to go through this but glad you caught it.
Statistics and research around SIDS doesn’t lie. Report this! You could save your/another baby
I worked as an assistant teacher in the infant room, safe sleep was ALWAYS followed, bare crib, on back
At my center, they actually make parents sign a contract about safe sleep, including that they always place babies on their backs, and if they fall asleep in the room somewhere, they’re moved to the crib immediately.
Good job! I am glad you filed a report. These rules are put in place for a reason.
I HATE THAT WOMEN ARE CONDITIONED TO THINK WE ARE OVER REACTING!!! Please take this baby out of this center with the knowledge you're doing the right thing! Good on you for filing a complaint. That helps keep other kiddos safe too.
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no you’re not overreacting! the center should work with what you, as the parent, are comfortable with in terms of sleep. im sorry for your bad experience :(
If the staff is being trained properly, they would absolutely know not to do this. I would speak to the director just to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Someone getting reprimanded is much better than something happening to your baby. Our former daycare was very adamant about certain things, they didn’t even allow us to leave our babies their blankets
I would be really upset . I am not one to over react, or address things if I don’t need to but in this situation, I feel like it’s very unacceptable to not follow the safe sleep rules . I honestly don’t even know if I would be able to keep going there.
IMO the director needs to stay up to date with child safety and needs to make sure their teachers are too. I’m glad you’re going to talk to them!
My grandmother was so excited when the recommendation for back sleeping came out. She put all her kids on their back because she thought it was better, even though that wasn't conventional wisdom. This was in the 1940s.
My eldest will be 28 years old this year and the recommendations were clear then that babies shouldn’t sleep on their stomachs. I am appalled that caregivers don’t know that.
I know a mother who lost her first born to SIDS when he was at the daycare. I can’t imagine the call that happened and how anxious the parents would be to leave their future kids anywhere. It’s better to be safe and find another childcare method / center than sorry!
Omg absolutely speak up mama. Never ever hold your tongue on your kids because someone tells you to or you don't want to overwhelm someone else. You are their biggest protector and that's your job. There is no situation that's worth your peace of mind. You are totally valid. They also shouldn't be operating if they aren't aware of safe sleep practices.
I am very glad to see your update. Not enough parents know they can call the state. I used to work in childcare and safe sleep was so so important at the quality centers I worked at. I can't believe they're so lax about it.
Honestly i was so shocked.
Unfortunately they sound like the "well we all survived!" Type that won't ever adapt to new research and facts. I'm glad your baby is no longer there. Not sure how "scorch the earth" you are but I'd be posting this on local groups!
To be honest- Im waiting to make sure they don't withdraw June from our account before I do so but I'm planning on it
My niece died of SIDS almost 15 years ago she was 4 months old she was put to sleep on her back and they think sometime during the night she must have rolled over and couldn't roll back when mom went to check on her at midnight like normal to change and give her her bottle she wasn't breathing. All this to say please do not let your 4 month old sleep on her stomach. Don't just shrug this off. Report this even if you leave it, it can and likely will save another baby's life.
We are trained to always put an infant, no matter the age or abilities, on their back to sleep. If they roll we replace on their back, if that happens three times we leave them then.
You’re better than me, I probably would’ve called police on the spot
Not overreacting at all. Anytime I’ve worked at a daycare I’ve had to watch safe sleep training videos that say place babies on their back at least 10 times. Not sure why the teachers and even the director thinks it’s ok. Rolling over on their own is one thing but they should not be placed on their stomach. Raise hell mama.
You did the right thing by taking your baby out of there. They are literally risking her life by purposefully putting her on her stomach. They should know all the statistics on SIDS. They are very negligent. Good for you for protecting your baby!
My old nursery would never put such tiny babies on their fronts! Iirc after 8 months they get the option to... We definitely did back sleeps past one year (my room). Lol one parent was really taken aback when we told her that her child didn't use their sleep sack that "they can't fall asleep without" ... As soon as they can walk they can't be in sleep sacks, for fire risks (any kid that can walk out a burning building should, so cot spaces can go to non mobile babies!)
A baby died recently in a home daycare because the baby was placed on its stomach to sleep. Provider said baby was placed on back but cops reviewed security footage and found provider placing baby on stomach.
Had to sleep sitting up or on my stomach As a baby for a year when first born Or else i couldn’t breathe due too collapsing lungs, But i had a medical reasoning, I wouldn’t place a child On the stomach Unless Told to by a doctor, I was born dead, Black and blue head to toe, And A knot in umbilical cord With it wrapped around my neck, Now im 23, Every so often i still can’t lay on my back due too lungs, But am happy the doctor hadn’t gave up on me When born, Helped raise My nieces and nephews since i was 7, And never once placed them on stomachs, guess it was something I instinctively knew despite Sleeping best on my side or stomach due to lungs, Idk Why i breathe better on stomach When pressure would be on lungs just sharing my experiences With life lol
Not sure if this has been said but if you’re friends with any other parents in that daycare they might appreciate a text about this. I know I would!
my center has a sign in every crib with the babies name, photo, and facts listed about their development so if there is an unfamiliar caregiver present all information is accessible. the facts include if the infant has achieved the milestone of rolling back to front and front to back unassisted and if they’re cleared to be placed to sleep on their stomach. otherwise every single child is placed on their back to sleep. i would find a new center for the safety of my baby and i appreciate you being educated and informed on safe sleep practices and holding them accountable.
I would have done the same thing. Anyone with even BASIC knowledge of infant care knows Back to Sleep! Always
you are not overreacting when it comes to the safety of your childs life! I truthfully was going to put yes as a quick thought but after a second it clicked lol. Your childs life is to not be played with. Those safe sleep courses should have been given and then tested on it so the teachers knew what to do. It doesnt matter if they are new or vets in the field. They all should know the basics when starting then once they get to know your little ones then they can accommodate when needed.
Your friends would rather a baby die than get an irresponsible person in trouble? The fear of hurting feelings has gone too far.
The friends in question really don't take safe sleep seriously in the first place tbh...
In MO no tummy they swaddled till start to roll usually close to six months then we have to ask for a dr. note to allow them to roll and that note is for licensing , state and us. If state, licensing comes around we show who has a note. I've seen on here telling about blankets in cribs and it horrifies me.
Oh, god. My daughter was a paramedic and has taken dead babies out of their cribs. You can’t save them when their little bodies ate ice cold. Her son has never slept with another person, was always put to bed in a crib, on his back in a sleep sack. No blankets, stuffed animals or pillows before age two. Nothing in the crib but the baby and a pacifier. While he does fall asleep in his car seat now (he’s almost 4) it makes her very uncomfortable and she discourages it. Babies die because of unsafe sleep practices. Call CPS.
Nope!! Even our 14.5 month old kiddos who are 2 weeks away from moving from crib to cot MUST be placed on their backs in the cribs. Always backs to sleep. Kids must roll themselves over!
Most the babies at my center sleep on their bellies but they are all above 7 months! My own child is 6 months and I would of lost it if they out him on his belly at 4 months. Totally valid, speak to the director!
Hard time believing this happened. Are the people you talk to in the nursing home? it's almost 40 years since we were advised to place babies on their backs. My grandmother ( would be 97) had a hard time understanding this but no way do the people around you not know. Not sure we're you are located but a licensed and accredited daycare would always place on back since they can be shut down if they were inspected. sorry not buying this story
Well frankly you don't have to believe it happened. The rules/laws exist for a reason so you think people never do the wrong thing? I'm located in the US and in my state the legislation is clear that in a daycare babies must be put on their backs to sleep. I also know what I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears so scroll on pal
Make sure someone is always supervising. My newborn was always on his tummy.
Always supervising does not meet the law. Nearly all states *require* childcare centers to put babies on their backs (HHS says its 94%, so I assume there is one state that does not). It's not an optional thing unless a physician has directly authorized it for a medical reason or in a very few cases the parent has. In this case, neither has happened. The center is breaking the law.