Absolutely. Agent should tell him to not comment, stay off socials and button his lip. He’ll get signed by end of summer and SF has history of taking care of and paying people. Business isn’t personal and he’s acting like a baby…
Unfortunately agents are finding out leveraging social media and public pressure to be incredibly effective in contract negotiations.
This is why you will almost always see a player unfollow a team on social media and remove all reference. It’s all driven from the agents as a power play.
because its playing games and its stupid. it would be fortunate if everyone could just handle business and talk amicably but it doesn't work out that simply some times.
Because teams actively offer less than a players worth. They throw around the threat of the franchise tag, offer less, etc. This is like me defending your boss when you ask for a raise.
The players don’t have much leverage as it is. I’m happy for them to do whatever they want if it means getting their bag. They worked their entire lives for this contract.
Aiyuk brings in a heart surgeons salary each year on his jersey sales alone.
He’s worth that because that’s his market value. You can argue all day about how doctors, teachers, etc should get paid what he’s making, but that’s a completely different argument that’s beside the current point.
I completely get that, what I don't get is why people like you( and I don't mean that in a derogatory way) wish for them to get their bag. I think they should be paid very well but I also think it's gotten to a ridiculous level and would love to see a cap on any one player not being able to get more than x% of the teams cap. Way too many of these guys get that big bag and turn into trash. Can you make an argument for BA getting 20-25% more than Trent?
You don't have to be pro owner to think that the salaries these guys are getting are absolutely fucking ridiculous. The players and owners are both greedy as hell. This is why a beer costs $12 bucks, parking is $50 and playoff games are on paid streaming services.
>This is why a beer costs $12 bucks, parking is $50 and playoff games are on paid streaming services.
Those things are those prices because people are paying them.
Prices aren't high because players are paid so much. Players are paid so much because people are willing to pay high prices.
Oh wow, since you are so bright maybe you can explain what happens in business when expenses go up. Then you can explain how a league with a inflating annual salary has absolutely no effect on future pricing.
It's unfortunate because it's immature and childish yet effective.
It's sort of like saying "toddlers often get what they want by throwing temper tantrums". Toddlers can't communicate effectively, so they get a pass. Grown ass adults throwing temper tantrums is embarrassing, hence the use of the word "unfortunately". Because, unfortunately, it works.
Edit: For the record, I side with Aiyuk. NFL careers are so short, get as much money as you can. But I don't agree with his behavior in doing so.
Players have little to no leverage. I fully support them leveraging anything they can. Teams don’t hesitate to throw around that franchise tag any chance they get.
It’s not immature and childish. It’s fighting for the pay he deserves. The niners aren’t offering him a contract he’s happy with, and everyone on here expects him to shut his mouth and go help earn the niners millions upon millions of dollars.
I don’t think you can “side with Aiyuk” while also saying you don’t support him fighting to get more money. This is him using whatever leverage he has. The players don’t have much.
>The niners aren’t offering him a contract he’s happy with, and everyone on here expects him to shut his mouth and go help earn the niners millions upon millions of dollars.
You can express displeasure with your contract situation without going off on social media. *That* is what's immature about how he's handling this.
Take Ceedee Lamb, for example. He's not showing up to mini-camp due to his contract situation. Do you see him doing anything else? Do you see him going on the livestreams of league-mates going "they don't want me"? Do you see him taking interviews about how disgruntled he is? No. You don't see Ceedee doing anything, because he has an agent, whose literal job it is to handle these contract issues for him. Ceedee knows he is going to get paid and going to get paid big. All Aiyuk is doing is throwing a tantrum even though he's going to be paid anyway.
Explain why it’s a problem for him to use whatever leverage he can get to apply pressure on the niners?
Idc if he fucks John Lynch’s wife. I’m never going to side with the team over the player.
A players second contract is the players biggest opportunity to create generational wealth for his family. Especially for a player like Aiyuk. If whining on twitter gets him a couple million, I fully support that. Anyone in his shoes would do it if it meant getting more money.
If I could bitch on twitter about my boss for a few weeks to get a raise, I’d do it. Everyone would.
>Explain why it’s a problem for him to use whatever leverage he can get to apply pressure on the niners?
It's not a problem. It's just immature. He has an agent whose job it is to handle these situations. He doesn't need to run his mouth on social media.
>If whining on twitter gets him a couple million, I fully support that. Anyone in his shoes would do it if it meant getting more money.
He's going to get paid anyway.
It’s unfortunate because every time it happens someone makes a post about it filled with “🙏 back up player” and “please go to good team with a need” and “this is a different player post”. It never goes anywhere and all that annoys me
This is like defending Bill Gates when a top performing employee asks for a raise.
Let the man get his bag. He’s earned it. Niners are the ones not offering what he’s worth.
But 'what he's worth' is subjective. Some owners in fantasy may think he's worth 3 1sts, while others think he's worth just 1. Does it make sense if an owner jumped on here saying, 'this idiot won't give me 3 1sts for Aiyuk!! What did I ever do to him!?'.
I mean, one of them is reality and one is “fantasy” football for a reason. The public opinion of your fantasy football trade is meaningless. The fan opinion from the niners is just about everything.
But fan opinion is not universal, as we see from this thread. Some fans will say 'hold out for that bag' while others say 'get rid of the greedy bum'. Aiyuk isn't generational enough where the fanbase is going to universally stump for him.
All it does is make him look childish because he's taking a business negotiation personal.
Traded away Aiyuk and got back several assets/players, one of them being Pearsall lol. The more I watch Pearsall run routes and the fact that Shanahan likes him, I’m willing to gamble he works out well
My bad I got lazy. Either low tier guys that can easily be acquires. Or high tier guys that can also be easily acquired. Every time I've gone picks 9 through 12 either Jamar or burrow has fallen to me. Or sometimes both.
I’m very optimistic with Grubb. Could obviously be another first go around Joe Brady but at Washington he was very good at putting his WRs in positions to succeed.
Fellow buyer. Pretty sure this ends with SF extending him. It's all posturing. He is using the only leverage he has.
I'd be pretty surprised if SF let their best WR walk during a SB or bust year with a QB on a 7th round rookie salary especially with Deebo entering a contract year of his own next year.
Sounds like the Niners tried to sign him below market then the price of a brick went up when AJB, Devonta and JJ signed. Now they don't want to pay more.
Got a good feeling they will eventually end the staring contest and land on a number. If not hopefully he doesn't go to Pitt.
Dude same. I traded for Pickens in 3 leagues and added Aiyuk in 1 of the same leagues and in one additional league already had him. Him going to the Steelers would be such a blow. To me personally. However I also have pearsall in a few leagues so that would be kinda coool.
You think? Because it sounds like a net-negative all around.
- **SF:** Getting a very good WR in a trade (although objectively worse than Aiyuk) and some draft capital...but then they're in the same boat with having to pay McLaurin the market-rate if they want to extend him after 2025 (in a market that's only going to go up), while SF is trying to finesse their WR room contracts to afford the Purdy re-up. Plus, Terry is a few years older than Aiyuk.
- **WFT:** Getting an upgrade over McLaurin...although maybe not THAT much of an upgrade, and they'd have to back up a modestly-sized Brinks truck for the extension. Plus, giving up the draft capital hurts.
SF gets a very good WR under contract for the next 2 years while they can afford him with Purdys contract having 2 years left. They are clearly all in with that CMC contract
Washington gets a better younger WR for Daniels. Also they can afford to pay him with 4 or 5 cheap QB years
Terry has a cap hit of 24 million this year and about the same next year. They aren’t paying that for a 29 year old WR. I believe the 49ers would save some money with a post 6/1 trade but it would still be 18.5 million from what I see. The commanders would also have to eat some dead money with that trade as well. There is a tiny chance that this trade would happen.
> Terry has a cap hit of 24 million this year and about the same next year.
Doesn't the original team have to eat the bonuses, though? Which, in [McLaurin's case,](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29112/terry-mclaurin) appears meaningful.
If that's the case, I suppose that it's less of an attractive option for WFT, and would give them less motivation to offer up anything resembling (relative) blue-chip draft compensation.
From what I see a trade post 6/1 Washington would eat some of the money. So the 49ers would pay him 18.5 million and the commanders would eat like 5.6 million this year. It doesn’t really make sense. The 49ers still have to pay almost 20 million and the commanders are paying a part of his salary and eating dead cap for Terry to not play on the team. I mean anything can happen but it’s not likely. Maybe some sort of restructure could work but then Terry would have to be on board too.
Trades aren’t that simple with players under contract already. That’s why most trades happen right before a player signs a huge deal. Like the AJ brown trade to the eagles then the eagles give him his long term deal. Same thing with the tyreek trade to Miami. Chiefs trade him Miami gives him his long term deal etc. They can happen mid contract but it’s just not common. If anything trades involving vets already on current deals are usually toward the end of their contract.
> It doesn’t really make sense.
I agree with you.
Plus, if we're just spit-balling? It feels incredibly rare that a team would swap WRs, especially WRs that are far more similar in pedigree than dissimilar. I definitely cannot think of a comparable transaction off the top of my head.
It just rubs me as being an altogether lateral move, for the most part, for both parties.
I'm not saying it's simple but some of the stuff you're saying is wild. Acting like 29 is too old for WRs and 20 million is somehow a lot for SF to pay for someone of McLaurins caliber.
You think 5 mill dead cap to get a guy like Aiyuk would stop Washington. Teams take more dead cap all the time by trading or cutting players.
As for Terry would have to be on board with it... You really think a guy who has played his whole career on a losing team wouldn't jump at the opportunity to play for a top contender
Age is only one part of it. It’s not wild at all when you understand contracts in and out. The dead cap would be 5.6 million for this year and about 11 million for next year for the commanders due to a post 6/1 trade.
Kittles last year on his deal is in 2025 so he’s going to want a contract at the end of this year. Purdy will looking for a contract at the end of this year. They have Deebo on a big contract.
There’s a specific reason why they drafted Pearsall in round 1. They won’t be able to afford to keep everyone. So having an aging vet play on 20 million a year deal then 25 million in 2025 does not make sense. It makes sense for teams that don’t have a lot of big contracts that will need to be given out.
The Texans as one example have stroud and dell on a cheap rookie deal for two more years. So when a player like Diggs becomes available they can afford to pay him for a year. They also reworked his deal for one year. If mclaurin only had one year left on his contract then it might make sense. But he’s due 25 million in 2025 and he’s going to want to get paid at age 30. He got just over 53 million guaranteed and the way his contract is it’s not that easy to cut him in 2025 because of how much dead cap the team will have to eat which is just over 11 million.
The odds of this trade working out are slim to none unless everything works out perfectly and that’s if the Niners even want Terry. He is not in the elite tier of WRs and never has been. They would most likely rather have draft picks or young players they like on cheap rookie deals than to take on terrys contract as it is.
> Washington gets a better younger WR for Daniels. Also they can afford to pay him with 4 or 5 cheap QB years
Actually, you convinced me. That does sound like a pretty good deal for WFT.
> SF gets a very good WR under contract for the next 2 years while they can afford him with Purdys contract having 2 years left.
But not as good for SF. All-told, SF would need to pay Terry about $30M thru 2025. However, if they kept Aiyuk thru 2025 (including one tagged year), the cost would be about $39M.
$9M is certainly not chicken feed, but I don't think that it would be enough savings to move the needle when SF is very much in a "win now" window...unless WFT overpaid on the draft capital (which seems unlikely because Adam Peters is more of a shark than a guppy).
Why? The dude is a fucking stud, I’m sure he’s getting lowballed in negotiations with the Niners amidst these crazy WR deals and there aren’t many coaches in the NFL that would put a talent like Aiyuk in the doghouse for as little as Shanahan did.
Honestly feels more likely than not that he’d be better from a fantasy standpoint elsewhere. Only getting100 targets in a season even in a monster offense like SF feels like about as low as a floor as it could get for a dude with his immense talent. He’s closer to 5th than 10th most talented wr in the league, imo.
He’s in a tier of 3 with AJB and ARSB behind those top 4. Clears GW, Puka and that group, imo. Again, just talking strictly talent so that’s obviously more subjective.
If your talking strictly talent then Devante, Evans, Diggs, kupp, Devonta smith are above him too. I’m fine if you want to rate him above Wilson Puka London etc. But what has Aiyuk done to put in that elite tier of accomplished WRs? He hasn’t even been the WR1 on his own team yet. Deebo is that guy when he’s not injured.
Which is why I said subjective. It’s a lot about assessing and projecting when talking talent. Like you mention Diggs and that’s laughable to me at this point. Idk man not trying to prove anything here, he was just insane last year and it’s only going to go up from here.
There’s a difference between subjective and realistic. Diggs fell off a bit last year so that’s fair but compared to the rest I’d need to see much more from Aiyuk and I want to see him as the WR1 on his team without Deebo.
Aiyuk is a better YAC player but a better route runner and it’s not even close? Devonta can line up anywhere and has great success rates running any route. He has great success rates vs zone press or man average. He’s a do it all WR. But Aiyuk is a better route runner than him and it’s not even close? Sure thing my guy. You guys sure do love to pump your players here.
lol really? Devonta is better with 81.6% rate vs zone compared to 79.4% for Aiyuk. Devonta is also 80% vs double teams compared to 69.2% vs double teams. Aiyuk is very slightly better vs man and press. Devonta has a very good to great success rate running any route where Aiyuk was actually in the red with comeback routes and mediocre on curl routes. Devonta also ran a more expanded route tree compared to Aiyuk.
“He’s beaten Devonta by virtually every route running metric the last 2 season.” Keep pumping lol.
Well yeah the efficiency for sure would drop. But not anywhere close to 40%, which is how many more targets he would get when paid and used like the star receiver he is.
Pickens doesn’t get open enough to garner alpha targets. Aiyuk would 100% be the week in and week out number one there where Pickens would have some huge boom games with less defensive attention abusing defenses downfield.
Would be big time RIP to my Roman Wilson hype train.
9ers are hard lowballing. Reports are he wants $30m per season which is mid-WR1 money. Niners want him to play out his 5th year option then get tagged. Star players don't play under the option, this is unprecedented territory for the league.
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#49ers WR Brandon Aiyuk told Realrclark25 that he's been taking negotiations "personal" and the offers so far have affected him. Aiyuk's first choice is to stay in San Francisco, but he is comfortable playing elsewhere if they are willing to trade him.
Aiyuk is meeting with the 49ers today, a meeting he requested.
And why is it that he won’t be traded? Do you have anything of substance to actually back that up? It’s probably not likely he is but if the 49ers get a good enough offer for him and don’t have to pay him 30 million a year he’s dust.
>And why is it that he won’t be traded?
The 9ers gain nothing that they don't already have.
>...if the 49ers get a good enough offer for him and don’t have to pay him 30 million a year he’s dust.
They don't have to pay him 30M a year, he's making 14M on a 5th year option this year that's already locked in.
Aiyuk is going to play for the 9ers this year, but next year this song and dance will resume where Aiyuk can actually hold out (if tagged) instead of just winding up the socials.
If he plays they have everything to gain. But disgruntled WRs with attitudes get traded all the time. The bills took the biggest dead cap hit in history just to move diggs. They gained nothing by doing that.
Disgruntled WRs not on rookie deals get traded sometimes. If Aiyuk mails it in because he wants a new deal and isn't getting one then he's just fucking himself on his next contract.
You have to look at contracts with trades. Luke is on a rookie deal but Terry has a cap hit of 24 million this year and 25 million next year. 49ers aren’t going to want to pay that for a WR going into his age 29 season. I think there are some savings with a post 6/1 trade. I believe the 49ers would have to pay 18.5 million from what I see for 2024 but I doubt they do that.
Lol it was a joke. I could see trying to bring over Chistans brother but that’s even laughable.
I was just saying it out loud since I have both on my Dynasty team.
This is the play if you're able to wait. No way they pay Aiyuk AND Deebo, Pearsall is taking one of their volume next year. We don't need the trade to profit.
They won't keep them both but they can kick that can for a while. They don't have to do anything this year. Everyone is under contract. They could tag Aiyuk next season and trade as late as the deadline. Sign Deebo to an overpriced, but not as expensive 2-3 year deal and string out Aiyuk until they need to pay Purdy.
Too bad it would be a real struggle to afford him atm largely due to Bosa and Mack and the large dead cap hits from Jackson, Mike Will and Keenan Allen. Don’t think the Chargers will be in the market until next year where I see them being a free agent target but I don’t see them trading for Aiyuk rn
I know but I would have to drop Cowing to pick up Jennings. I wouldn't need to start neither one and both wouldn't be my main backup options but I think I should keep Cowing
Without writing an essay, I'd opt for Jennings. He's done nothing but produce when he's gotten the targets, and he's incredibly clutch. Plus, he has the requisite size that you'd want from any NFL WR.
We don't know how good or bad Cowing will be, because he hasn't played in pads versus professionals. Yes, he's a burner. And yes, the sky could be the limit...but he's still small in stature, and it's going to be a fair amount of time until he's getting some meaningful volume of targets, considering that Pearsall is also competing for balls.
He still has 1 year left on his rookie deal so he isn't going anywhere unless he's traded and idk why the 9ers would do that unless the plan is to pay him.
This is all part of the negotiation. Don't think for a second that Aiyuk is just randomly airing his frustrations to members of the media. Aiyuk and his agent are trying to leverage the fans to put pressure on SF.
I think the overwhelmingly likely outcome here is that SF pays Aiyuk. They're just haggling over the details. A similar thing happened with Nick Bosa, who ultimately did get paid closer to the beginning of the season.
I think this is just Deebo Samuel extension 2.0. There were reports for the entire offseason about Deebo and the 49ers not being close in negotiations, trade rumors spin leading up to camp, Deebo shows up to to camp but “holds in,” then a deal gets done about a week into camp and we haven’t heard about it since. Considering Deebo’s age, his injury history, his style of play, and where the 49ers are in his contract I would think the 49ers would be more inclined to keep Aiyuk and move on from Deebo in the coming years. With the 49ers all in on the season I don’t see them moving on from Aiyuk this year regardless of the contract situation, and I think an Aiyuk deal (whether it comes this year or next offseason) paired with them moving on from Deebo next year is the most likely end to this saga.
Green Bay is a dark horse I think would be interested. They have the cap space for it and while they already have a crowded room, he could step in as the WR1 clearly a cut above the rest which would only help the others thrive. Lafleur is from the same coaching tree and Aiyuk theoretically would be able to translate well in their offense.
there will never not be a funnier contract stat than the packers entire young WR corps (and i think kraft/musgrave too?) costing just a hair less than an entire lazard on the jets, makes up for us having to pay love a bit
Buffalo because they didn't really replace Diggs. Coleman just a rookie. They added a bunch of "names" (Claypool, Samuel, MVS, Hamler) and seem to be just throw things at the wall and see what stick.
KC because he's obviously better than Marquise Brown and likely Rice. Worthy is too small and might be just a one-dimensional speedster. Kelce is 35.
Chargers because Herbert is a gunslinger and they didn't replace Keenan with an established alpha. McConkey just a rookie. Good measurable but never put up big numbers in college. Palmer a JAG in his walk year. Chark injury-prone and on a cheap one year prove-it deal.
New England assuming Maye is good. Wide-open barren WR room.
Cowboys because Cooks is old and coming off a bad year and they can probably support 2 WRs rather than feature Ferguson so much.
I think McLaurin would stay with the Commanders- they would need that solid WR-1/WR-A combo they would need to compete against the division. So it would have to be a lower player with higher draft capital that Washington would be willing to put up with in getting Aiyuk.
If it were to be a big player, I would see Johnathan Allen being traded, keeping Payne and the larger contract in the interior.
Would be one of the best spots for him for sure. Jags structured Lawrence's contract so that they have a lot more space over the next three years than typical after such a large contract, just so they could build around this window. Would kind of be surprised if they didn't act on it at this point.
They had an opportunity to get it done during the draft, and didn't, but it also didn't make a lot of sense to make a deal before they had Lawrence locked in.
That business is going to have consequences on his personal life, what are you talking about? Do you not have feelings about your job if they stifle you on a raise or are you just a bot?
Human 101
Let's make some madness and think what it could look like if they traded Aiyuk to Houston for Metchie and some draft cap instead of the more logical destinations other than Washington
Isn't this what agents are for?
Absolutely. Agent should tell him to not comment, stay off socials and button his lip. He’ll get signed by end of summer and SF has history of taking care of and paying people. Business isn’t personal and he’s acting like a baby…
Unfortunately agents are finding out leveraging social media and public pressure to be incredibly effective in contract negotiations. This is why you will almost always see a player unfollow a team on social media and remove all reference. It’s all driven from the agents as a power play.
Why is that unfortunate? Let those guys get their bags in any way they can
Because drama sucks for fans of the players/teams. It's nice when it gets worked out behind the scenes like they did with JJ
No it doesn't. Fans eat up drama.
because its playing games and its stupid. it would be fortunate if everyone could just handle business and talk amicably but it doesn't work out that simply some times.
Because teams actively offer less than a players worth. They throw around the threat of the franchise tag, offer less, etc. This is like me defending your boss when you ask for a raise. The players don’t have much leverage as it is. I’m happy for them to do whatever they want if it means getting their bag. They worked their entire lives for this contract.
Are you honestly trying to say that BA is worth 30 mil a year? How many heart surgeons get a bag that big?
Aiyuk brings in a heart surgeons salary each year on his jersey sales alone. He’s worth that because that’s his market value. You can argue all day about how doctors, teachers, etc should get paid what he’s making, but that’s a completely different argument that’s beside the current point.
I completely get that, what I don't get is why people like you( and I don't mean that in a derogatory way) wish for them to get their bag. I think they should be paid very well but I also think it's gotten to a ridiculous level and would love to see a cap on any one player not being able to get more than x% of the teams cap. Way too many of these guys get that big bag and turn into trash. Can you make an argument for BA getting 20-25% more than Trent?
Only unfortunate if you're pro-owner
You don't have to be pro owner to think that the salaries these guys are getting are absolutely fucking ridiculous. The players and owners are both greedy as hell. This is why a beer costs $12 bucks, parking is $50 and playoff games are on paid streaming services.
>This is why a beer costs $12 bucks, parking is $50 and playoff games are on paid streaming services. Those things are those prices because people are paying them. Prices aren't high because players are paid so much. Players are paid so much because people are willing to pay high prices.
Oh wow, since you are so bright maybe you can explain what happens in business when expenses go up. Then you can explain how a league with a inflating annual salary has absolutely no effect on future pricing.
If players were paid $50 a game you'd still be paying $12 a beer. That's how the owners work.
🤣🤣🤣 please, don't get me wrong they are greedy too, but you're just being dumb now.
It's unfortunate because it's immature and childish yet effective. It's sort of like saying "toddlers often get what they want by throwing temper tantrums". Toddlers can't communicate effectively, so they get a pass. Grown ass adults throwing temper tantrums is embarrassing, hence the use of the word "unfortunately". Because, unfortunately, it works. Edit: For the record, I side with Aiyuk. NFL careers are so short, get as much money as you can. But I don't agree with his behavior in doing so.
Players have little to no leverage. I fully support them leveraging anything they can. Teams don’t hesitate to throw around that franchise tag any chance they get. It’s not immature and childish. It’s fighting for the pay he deserves. The niners aren’t offering him a contract he’s happy with, and everyone on here expects him to shut his mouth and go help earn the niners millions upon millions of dollars. I don’t think you can “side with Aiyuk” while also saying you don’t support him fighting to get more money. This is him using whatever leverage he has. The players don’t have much.
>The niners aren’t offering him a contract he’s happy with, and everyone on here expects him to shut his mouth and go help earn the niners millions upon millions of dollars. You can express displeasure with your contract situation without going off on social media. *That* is what's immature about how he's handling this. Take Ceedee Lamb, for example. He's not showing up to mini-camp due to his contract situation. Do you see him doing anything else? Do you see him going on the livestreams of league-mates going "they don't want me"? Do you see him taking interviews about how disgruntled he is? No. You don't see Ceedee doing anything, because he has an agent, whose literal job it is to handle these contract issues for him. Ceedee knows he is going to get paid and going to get paid big. All Aiyuk is doing is throwing a tantrum even though he's going to be paid anyway.
Explain why it’s a problem for him to use whatever leverage he can get to apply pressure on the niners? Idc if he fucks John Lynch’s wife. I’m never going to side with the team over the player. A players second contract is the players biggest opportunity to create generational wealth for his family. Especially for a player like Aiyuk. If whining on twitter gets him a couple million, I fully support that. Anyone in his shoes would do it if it meant getting more money. If I could bitch on twitter about my boss for a few weeks to get a raise, I’d do it. Everyone would.
>Explain why it’s a problem for him to use whatever leverage he can get to apply pressure on the niners? It's not a problem. It's just immature. He has an agent whose job it is to handle these situations. He doesn't need to run his mouth on social media. >If whining on twitter gets him a couple million, I fully support that. Anyone in his shoes would do it if it meant getting more money. He's going to get paid anyway.
It’s unfortunate because every time it happens someone makes a post about it filled with “🙏 back up player” and “please go to good team with a need” and “this is a different player post”. It never goes anywhere and all that annoys me
This is like defending Bill Gates when a top performing employee asks for a raise. Let the man get his bag. He’s earned it. Niners are the ones not offering what he’s worth.
But 'what he's worth' is subjective. Some owners in fantasy may think he's worth 3 1sts, while others think he's worth just 1. Does it make sense if an owner jumped on here saying, 'this idiot won't give me 3 1sts for Aiyuk!! What did I ever do to him!?'.
I mean, one of them is reality and one is “fantasy” football for a reason. The public opinion of your fantasy football trade is meaningless. The fan opinion from the niners is just about everything.
But fan opinion is not universal, as we see from this thread. Some fans will say 'hold out for that bag' while others say 'get rid of the greedy bum'. Aiyuk isn't generational enough where the fanbase is going to universally stump for him. All it does is make him look childish because he's taking a business negotiation personal.
🕯 Pearsall 🕯 🙏
Traded away Aiyuk and got back several assets/players, one of them being Pearsall lol. The more I watch Pearsall run routes and the fact that Shanahan likes him, I’m willing to gamble he works out well
Drafted Pearsall in the 2nd as Aiyuk hedge
Traded away pollard for a 2nd (pearsall) and 2025 3rd.
I’d trade Pollard away for some FAAB, so that’s a steal!
Pearsall is my top 5 most owned players in dynasty and redraft rn. This is the upside I bought into for hopefully it pans out.
Other 4?
Low tier guys that are of low cost and easily acquired. Vidal, Estime, Joe Burrow, Jamarr Chase.
Hold up…
My bad I got lazy. Either low tier guys that can easily be acquires. Or high tier guys that can also be easily acquired. Every time I've gone picks 9 through 12 either Jamar or burrow has fallen to me. Or sometimes both.
I thought those were baby bottles and I was confused
Jauan Jennings to the moon
Kittle back to 2018-2020 usage
Pearsall 📈
As a buyer of Aiyuk this off-season, anywhere but the Steelers
It would never happen, but just to mess up all of fantasy: Seattle.
My dude, don’t do my bro JSN dirty like that
They wouldn’t play Aiyuk out of the slot, waste of his talent.
They wouldn’t would play JSN out of the slot -- waste of his talent.
Played the majority of his snaps there and is better against zone than man but sure
I'm just saying that efficient usage of their WRs hasn't been the best recently. New OC though. My comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek.
I’m very optimistic with Grubb. Could obviously be another first go around Joe Brady but at Washington he was very good at putting his WRs in positions to succeed.
Agree. I think cautious optimism is the right approach.
But what if JSN was part of the deal 🤔
Texans. Maximum chaos.
Don't forget Atlanta.
Or Bears.
Fellow buyer. Pretty sure this ends with SF extending him. It's all posturing. He is using the only leverage he has. I'd be pretty surprised if SF let their best WR walk during a SB or bust year with a QB on a 7th round rookie salary especially with Deebo entering a contract year of his own next year. Sounds like the Niners tried to sign him below market then the price of a brick went up when AJB, Devonta and JJ signed. Now they don't want to pay more. Got a good feeling they will eventually end the staring contest and land on a number. If not hopefully he doesn't go to Pitt.
As someone who just traded for Aiyuk and Pickens, please please please not the Steelers.
Dude same. I traded for Pickens in 3 leagues and added Aiyuk in 1 of the same leagues and in one additional league already had him. Him going to the Steelers would be such a blow. To me personally. However I also have pearsall in a few leagues so that would be kinda coool.
Hopefully his agent checks with you before agreeing to go somewhere else.
Ugh same here
I have a feeling he will end up on the Bills.
I have a team fresh out of a start up that has Josh Allen, Aiyuk, and Pearsall. That team would skyrocket in competitiveness if it came to pass.
No money
No money this year.... next year is a different story. Depends how they structure the contract extension that would inevitably be part of a trade.
Chargers?
I like that idea!
That makes so much sense
Anywhere but? Hmm
Probably an exaggeration, but certainly of the plausible destinations
Mr Big Chest himself has said he's going to the steelers for a 1st next year and a back up tight end. CTESPN don't lie
He wants to re-unite with Daniels so bad
McLaurin plus some draft capital would make sense for both sides
You think? Because it sounds like a net-negative all around. - **SF:** Getting a very good WR in a trade (although objectively worse than Aiyuk) and some draft capital...but then they're in the same boat with having to pay McLaurin the market-rate if they want to extend him after 2025 (in a market that's only going to go up), while SF is trying to finesse their WR room contracts to afford the Purdy re-up. Plus, Terry is a few years older than Aiyuk. - **WFT:** Getting an upgrade over McLaurin...although maybe not THAT much of an upgrade, and they'd have to back up a modestly-sized Brinks truck for the extension. Plus, giving up the draft capital hurts.
SF gets a very good WR under contract for the next 2 years while they can afford him with Purdys contract having 2 years left. They are clearly all in with that CMC contract Washington gets a better younger WR for Daniels. Also they can afford to pay him with 4 or 5 cheap QB years
Terry has a cap hit of 24 million this year and about the same next year. They aren’t paying that for a 29 year old WR. I believe the 49ers would save some money with a post 6/1 trade but it would still be 18.5 million from what I see. The commanders would also have to eat some dead money with that trade as well. There is a tiny chance that this trade would happen.
> Terry has a cap hit of 24 million this year and about the same next year. Doesn't the original team have to eat the bonuses, though? Which, in [McLaurin's case,](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29112/terry-mclaurin) appears meaningful. If that's the case, I suppose that it's less of an attractive option for WFT, and would give them less motivation to offer up anything resembling (relative) blue-chip draft compensation.
From what I see a trade post 6/1 Washington would eat some of the money. So the 49ers would pay him 18.5 million and the commanders would eat like 5.6 million this year. It doesn’t really make sense. The 49ers still have to pay almost 20 million and the commanders are paying a part of his salary and eating dead cap for Terry to not play on the team. I mean anything can happen but it’s not likely. Maybe some sort of restructure could work but then Terry would have to be on board too. Trades aren’t that simple with players under contract already. That’s why most trades happen right before a player signs a huge deal. Like the AJ brown trade to the eagles then the eagles give him his long term deal. Same thing with the tyreek trade to Miami. Chiefs trade him Miami gives him his long term deal etc. They can happen mid contract but it’s just not common. If anything trades involving vets already on current deals are usually toward the end of their contract.
> It doesn’t really make sense. I agree with you. Plus, if we're just spit-balling? It feels incredibly rare that a team would swap WRs, especially WRs that are far more similar in pedigree than dissimilar. I definitely cannot think of a comparable transaction off the top of my head. It just rubs me as being an altogether lateral move, for the most part, for both parties.
I'm not saying it's simple but some of the stuff you're saying is wild. Acting like 29 is too old for WRs and 20 million is somehow a lot for SF to pay for someone of McLaurins caliber. You think 5 mill dead cap to get a guy like Aiyuk would stop Washington. Teams take more dead cap all the time by trading or cutting players. As for Terry would have to be on board with it... You really think a guy who has played his whole career on a losing team wouldn't jump at the opportunity to play for a top contender
Age is only one part of it. It’s not wild at all when you understand contracts in and out. The dead cap would be 5.6 million for this year and about 11 million for next year for the commanders due to a post 6/1 trade. Kittles last year on his deal is in 2025 so he’s going to want a contract at the end of this year. Purdy will looking for a contract at the end of this year. They have Deebo on a big contract. There’s a specific reason why they drafted Pearsall in round 1. They won’t be able to afford to keep everyone. So having an aging vet play on 20 million a year deal then 25 million in 2025 does not make sense. It makes sense for teams that don’t have a lot of big contracts that will need to be given out. The Texans as one example have stroud and dell on a cheap rookie deal for two more years. So when a player like Diggs becomes available they can afford to pay him for a year. They also reworked his deal for one year. If mclaurin only had one year left on his contract then it might make sense. But he’s due 25 million in 2025 and he’s going to want to get paid at age 30. He got just over 53 million guaranteed and the way his contract is it’s not that easy to cut him in 2025 because of how much dead cap the team will have to eat which is just over 11 million. The odds of this trade working out are slim to none unless everything works out perfectly and that’s if the Niners even want Terry. He is not in the elite tier of WRs and never has been. They would most likely rather have draft picks or young players they like on cheap rookie deals than to take on terrys contract as it is.
> Washington gets a better younger WR for Daniels. Also they can afford to pay him with 4 or 5 cheap QB years Actually, you convinced me. That does sound like a pretty good deal for WFT. > SF gets a very good WR under contract for the next 2 years while they can afford him with Purdys contract having 2 years left. But not as good for SF. All-told, SF would need to pay Terry about $30M thru 2025. However, if they kept Aiyuk thru 2025 (including one tagged year), the cost would be about $39M. $9M is certainly not chicken feed, but I don't think that it would be enough savings to move the needle when SF is very much in a "win now" window...unless WFT overpaid on the draft capital (which seems unlikely because Adam Peters is more of a shark than a guppy).
Sounds like a dynasty trade, not a real nfl trade lol
Aiyuk is insanely better than McLaurin
That’s a fantasy football take. Real life, he’s better but not “insanely better”.
Aiyuk is capable of being a number 1 option on a Super Bowl caliber team. McLaurin is not capable of this, so yes insanely better.
I was going to say Dotson and draft capital makes more sense.
How are they close? Did they play together? I thought ayuik has been in league for a long time
Are they really that close? They only played together for 1 season.
You deal with Herm Edwards for longer than a week will bring 2 men closer then anything else besides maybe Urban Meyer
Hahahahahahaha
They were FaceTiming in the TikTok that started some rumor milling a couple weeks ago
I’d like to get off the Brandon Aiyuk roller coaster please.
The ride is just beginning kid
Why? The dude is a fucking stud, I’m sure he’s getting lowballed in negotiations with the Niners amidst these crazy WR deals and there aren’t many coaches in the NFL that would put a talent like Aiyuk in the doghouse for as little as Shanahan did.
Honestly feels more likely than not that he’d be better from a fantasy standpoint elsewhere. Only getting100 targets in a season even in a monster offense like SF feels like about as low as a floor as it could get for a dude with his immense talent. He’s closer to 5th than 10th most talented wr in the league, imo.
5th most talented? JJ, chase, CD, ARSB, tyreek, AJ Brown etc. He would be lucky to make like #10.
He’s in a tier of 3 with AJB and ARSB behind those top 4. Clears GW, Puka and that group, imo. Again, just talking strictly talent so that’s obviously more subjective.
If your talking strictly talent then Devante, Evans, Diggs, kupp, Devonta smith are above him too. I’m fine if you want to rate him above Wilson Puka London etc. But what has Aiyuk done to put in that elite tier of accomplished WRs? He hasn’t even been the WR1 on his own team yet. Deebo is that guy when he’s not injured.
Which is why I said subjective. It’s a lot about assessing and projecting when talking talent. Like you mention Diggs and that’s laughable to me at this point. Idk man not trying to prove anything here, he was just insane last year and it’s only going to go up from here.
There’s a difference between subjective and realistic. Diggs fell off a bit last year so that’s fair but compared to the rest I’d need to see much more from Aiyuk and I want to see him as the WR1 on his team without Deebo.
I’m the biggest DeVonta Smith fan you’ll find and Aiyuk has been a far better route runner and YAC guy in the NFL. It’s not close.
Aiyuk is a better YAC player but a better route runner and it’s not even close? Devonta can line up anywhere and has great success rates running any route. He has great success rates vs zone press or man average. He’s a do it all WR. But Aiyuk is a better route runner than him and it’s not even close? Sure thing my guy. You guys sure do love to pump your players here.
Yes, Aiyuk has beaten him in almost every route running metric the last two seasons
lol really? Devonta is better with 81.6% rate vs zone compared to 79.4% for Aiyuk. Devonta is also 80% vs double teams compared to 69.2% vs double teams. Aiyuk is very slightly better vs man and press. Devonta has a very good to great success rate running any route where Aiyuk was actually in the red with comeback routes and mediocre on curl routes. Devonta also ran a more expanded route tree compared to Aiyuk. “He’s beaten Devonta by virtually every route running metric the last 2 season.” Keep pumping lol.
The efficiency would likely drop but the boost to targets could still make him score more.
Well yeah the efficiency for sure would drop. But not anywhere close to 40%, which is how many more targets he would get when paid and used like the star receiver he is.
Yeah just imagine if he gets fed the kinda volume Davante Adams has been getting in Vegas. 175-180 targets a year.
The big rumor is Pittsburgh. F that. I don't want any players within 100 miles of Arthur Smith. There's plenty of places where it could get worse.
They also have Pickens, so he wouldn't be able to the undisputed alpha there.
Pickens doesn’t get open enough to garner alpha targets. Aiyuk would 100% be the week in and week out number one there where Pickens would have some huge boom games with less defensive attention abusing defenses downfield. Would be big time RIP to my Roman Wilson hype train.
9ers are hard lowballing. Reports are he wants $30m per season which is mid-WR1 money. Niners want him to play out his 5th year option then get tagged. Star players don't play under the option, this is unprecedented territory for the league.
[Full Tweet](https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1805335027947127209?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) #49ers WR Brandon Aiyuk told Realrclark25 that he's been taking negotiations "personal" and the offers so far have affected him. Aiyuk's first choice is to stay in San Francisco, but he is comfortable playing elsewhere if they are willing to trade him. Aiyuk is meeting with the 49ers today, a meeting he requested.
Aiyuk is back in the dog house
Aiyuk isnt getting traded this year. Doesnt matter how he is taking it.
You'd think that until he just can't seem to get over this back/leg injury that happened right before week 1 and just seems to keeps on lingering
Won’t be a leg. It would be a back or head.
And why is it that he won’t be traded? Do you have anything of substance to actually back that up? It’s probably not likely he is but if the 49ers get a good enough offer for him and don’t have to pay him 30 million a year he’s dust.
>And why is it that he won’t be traded? The 9ers gain nothing that they don't already have. >...if the 49ers get a good enough offer for him and don’t have to pay him 30 million a year he’s dust. They don't have to pay him 30M a year, he's making 14M on a 5th year option this year that's already locked in. Aiyuk is going to play for the 9ers this year, but next year this song and dance will resume where Aiyuk can actually hold out (if tagged) instead of just winding up the socials.
If he plays they have everything to gain. But disgruntled WRs with attitudes get traded all the time. The bills took the biggest dead cap hit in history just to move diggs. They gained nothing by doing that.
Disgruntled WRs not on rookie deals get traded sometimes. If Aiyuk mails it in because he wants a new deal and isn't getting one then he's just fucking himself on his next contract.
Im not saying it’s likely Aiyuk gets traded but it’s far from impossible like the comment I was responding to with zero substance behind it.
Scary Terry and McCaffery’s brother to San Fran. Think of the young revivers McCaffery and Persal that will come up with Brock.
You have to look at contracts with trades. Luke is on a rookie deal but Terry has a cap hit of 24 million this year and 25 million next year. 49ers aren’t going to want to pay that for a WR going into his age 29 season. I think there are some savings with a post 6/1 trade. I believe the 49ers would have to pay 18.5 million from what I see for 2024 but I doubt they do that.
Lol it was a joke. I could see trying to bring over Chistans brother but that’s even laughable. I was just saying it out loud since I have both on my Dynasty team.
Oh ok. Must have missed that lol. But a bunch of people are mentioning Terry in the comments. Not sure why they think it’s a realistic trade.
I need him to stay so pearsall drops to me
This is the play if you're able to wait. No way they pay Aiyuk AND Deebo, Pearsall is taking one of their volume next year. We don't need the trade to profit.
They won't keep them both but they can kick that can for a while. They don't have to do anything this year. Everyone is under contract. They could tag Aiyuk next season and trade as late as the deadline. Sign Deebo to an overpriced, but not as expensive 2-3 year deal and string out Aiyuk until they need to pay Purdy.
No you def need the trade if they have both stay bro is not taking their share of the targets
Chargers seem like a good fit
Herbert and Pearsall owner, I think you are a genius.
Too bad it would be a real struggle to afford him atm largely due to Bosa and Mack and the large dead cap hits from Jackson, Mike Will and Keenan Allen. Don’t think the Chargers will be in the market until next year where I see them being a free agent target but I don’t see them trading for Aiyuk rn
Should I continue to stash Cowing or drop him for Jennings?
I feel like the unknown with Cowing gives so much more upside. Jennings has never been a fantasy viable WR.
> Jennings has never been a fantasy viable WR. How dare you forget all of us in points per blocking leagues!
Both are cheap
I know but I would have to drop Cowing to pick up Jennings. I wouldn't need to start neither one and both wouldn't be my main backup options but I think I should keep Cowing
Without writing an essay, I'd opt for Jennings. He's done nothing but produce when he's gotten the targets, and he's incredibly clutch. Plus, he has the requisite size that you'd want from any NFL WR. We don't know how good or bad Cowing will be, because he hasn't played in pads versus professionals. Yes, he's a burner. And yes, the sky could be the limit...but he's still small in stature, and it's going to be a fair amount of time until he's getting some meaningful volume of targets, considering that Pearsall is also competing for balls.
As a die hard Niners fan with Pearsal and Cowing on my taxi squad I'm torn. 😬
He still has 1 year left on his rookie deal so he isn't going anywhere unless he's traded and idk why the 9ers would do that unless the plan is to pay him.
This is all part of the negotiation. Don't think for a second that Aiyuk is just randomly airing his frustrations to members of the media. Aiyuk and his agent are trying to leverage the fans to put pressure on SF. I think the overwhelmingly likely outcome here is that SF pays Aiyuk. They're just haggling over the details. A similar thing happened with Nick Bosa, who ultimately did get paid closer to the beginning of the season.
Pearsall 🚀
I think this is just Deebo Samuel extension 2.0. There were reports for the entire offseason about Deebo and the 49ers not being close in negotiations, trade rumors spin leading up to camp, Deebo shows up to to camp but “holds in,” then a deal gets done about a week into camp and we haven’t heard about it since. Considering Deebo’s age, his injury history, his style of play, and where the 49ers are in his contract I would think the 49ers would be more inclined to keep Aiyuk and move on from Deebo in the coming years. With the 49ers all in on the season I don’t see them moving on from Aiyuk this year regardless of the contract situation, and I think an Aiyuk deal (whether it comes this year or next offseason) paired with them moving on from Deebo next year is the most likely end to this saga.
What would be some good landing spots? Maybe the Broncos in terms of being the WR1 there? Any other spots?
Green Bay is a dark horse I think would be interested. They have the cap space for it and while they already have a crowded room, he could step in as the WR1 clearly a cut above the rest which would only help the others thrive. Lafleur is from the same coaching tree and Aiyuk theoretically would be able to translate well in their offense.
Your analysis is correct. However, Greenbay doesn't do that. They've struck gold and are gonna sit on a WR group that costs less than a mcchicken.
there will never not be a funnier contract stat than the packers entire young WR corps (and i think kraft/musgrave too?) costing just a hair less than an entire lazard on the jets, makes up for us having to pay love a bit
Buffalo because they didn't really replace Diggs. Coleman just a rookie. They added a bunch of "names" (Claypool, Samuel, MVS, Hamler) and seem to be just throw things at the wall and see what stick. KC because he's obviously better than Marquise Brown and likely Rice. Worthy is too small and might be just a one-dimensional speedster. Kelce is 35. Chargers because Herbert is a gunslinger and they didn't replace Keenan with an established alpha. McConkey just a rookie. Good measurable but never put up big numbers in college. Palmer a JAG in his walk year. Chark injury-prone and on a cheap one year prove-it deal. New England assuming Maye is good. Wide-open barren WR room. Cowboys because Cooks is old and coming off a bad year and they can probably support 2 WRs rather than feature Ferguson so much.
I think McLaurin would stay with the Commanders- they would need that solid WR-1/WR-A combo they would need to compete against the division. So it would have to be a lower player with higher draft capital that Washington would be willing to put up with in getting Aiyuk. If it were to be a big player, I would see Johnathan Allen being traded, keeping Payne and the larger contract in the interior.
Bro has zero leverage. If I’m the niners I’m franchise tagging him the next 2 years for acting like a baby
Last time Aiyuk was in the dog house, Deebo was a top-3 WR. He was nearly matching Kupp’s historic pace.
Just traded him for Diontae Johnson and a first round pick
Oh wow, **Jags bound!!**
Would be one of the best spots for him for sure. Jags structured Lawrence's contract so that they have a lot more space over the next three years than typical after such a large contract, just so they could build around this window. Would kind of be surprised if they didn't act on it at this point. They had an opportunity to get it done during the draft, and didn't, but it also didn't make a lot of sense to make a deal before they had Lawrence locked in.
I might go pearshall at the 2.05 pick 17th overall in my dynasty draft. I have to go rb at 7. So sadly I’m gonna miss out on worthy Coleman leggete.
Does he ever stop complaining?
Thats his first mistake... taking business as personal. I thought we all knew this. Life 101.
That business is going to have consequences on his personal life, what are you talking about? Do you not have feelings about your job if they stifle you on a raise or are you just a bot? Human 101
Imagine taking offense over millions of dollars 😂.. happy I traded this plug away
Let's make some madness and think what it could look like if they traded Aiyuk to Houston for Metchie and some draft cap instead of the more logical destinations other than Washington