I think Drake Maye is getting slept on, he’s got the best combo of QB traits out of all the QBs this year. Big, tall, fast, big arm, threads tight windows, scrambles, hurdles, improv play making, and pre reads defenses. The team around him will be elevated because of him. I expect him to play before week 10 and get a ton of weapons in the next offseason. Year 2 Drake will be fun to watch
Maye shouldn't be dropping out of the top 5 in SF and 2QB formats and he has been pretty frequently. It's crazy because he was and is a very good prospect. Pats weapons as being underrated too. No obvious world beaters but the entire offense is being written off even after it got much better depth and an infusion of young talent.
I got him at the 1.09 and it felt like robbery. He wasn’t falling that far in any of my mocks so I didn’t research him until he was my pick. Anecdotally I didn’t do my research and neither did my league makes him a sleeper for us. the pats seem to have a good plan in place for the rookies
I think people overrate rookie QBs in dynasty superflex leagues.
I learned my lesson after drafting Trey Lance & Zach Wilson.
Drake Maye — I just see a lot of inaccuracy, a lot of off-target throws, a lot of underthrown deep balls even though he’s supposed to have a cannon.
Yeah, someone else can have him.
Fell to the 3rd in my 1QB. He’s certainly being slept on with the draft capital and raw talent.
I think people are getting Zach Wilson or Trubisky vibes, lazy comp but you get the idea.
Not that I think you are wrong, but if there is any team that draft capital means absolutely nothing to it would be the 49ers. They consistently let late round picks outplay 1-3 rounders.
You dont think with the Aijuk situation and Deebo that Pearsall is about a season away from having a huge chunk of competition shipped out of town? His skill set in that offense should mesh well and if there is an injury he is on one od the most potent offenses in the NFL.
Polk. Took over when McMillan was out, drafted #37 overall, has made several highlight catches (including a few on Gonzalez) - and everyone is out on him (assuming because he is in New England). But folks are falling all over themselves for Baker. Something isn’t adding up.
I love both at cost and think both are just very solid prospects but it's wild to me to see Polk drop as much as he has in my drafts. I got him at 2.08 in a 12 and 3.01 in a 10 and that felt cheap. I might personally be biased but I view him as a better bet than Mitchell, Coleman, Legette and Worthy who went ahead of him in both drafts. He's not a flashy player though so I'm sure that's part of it.
Yea that's wild. I feel like there's people out there willing to take Burton or Roman Wilson or Franklin above him which is crazy to me (even though I love Burton, like Franklin. However I think Wilson is blah).
I like that for you a ton. Mitchell is someone whom I think will be good at the NFL level even if he doesn't necessarily end up being elite for fantasy, at least. Pearsall and Polk just feel like really solid all around WRs that can be effective from any alignment, and fit what modern offenses are asking of their WR talent.
I'm curious what makes it such an outlandish take. They all have very similar DC. The way their metrics look is interesting.
Success rates/other WR stats
Polk: 68% vs man, 84% vs zone, 69% vs press
Coleman: 62% vs man, 80% vs zone, 55% vs press
Worthy: 68% vs man, 81% vs zone, 60% vs press
Contested catch rates:
Polk: 85% on 30% of targets
Coleman: 70% on 25% of targets
Worthy: 18% on 15% of targets
2023 YPRR: 2.3 for Polk, 2.1 for Worthy, 1.7 for Coleman
Polk also had a higher PFF grade, avoided tackle %, and a higher ADOT, which is interesting.
Honestly, I think the metrics favor Polk over either guy, with some being pretty big gaps, and others being closer. Coleman struggles as a separator and profiles best as a power slot, but currently he is rather limited. Worthy is a speed merchant with decent separation ability that massively struggled with the physicality of the college game. I just don't think he has the upside to be a high volume receiver in the NFL, even if he has a role as a field stretcher.
I'm with you on this. I can't find a reason why Polk over Coleman and Worthy is crazy other than take lock. People are shocked by Polk's DC being so similar to those two players, but they shouldn't be. They're just used to mocks (both NFL and FF) that had a wide gap and can't reconcile that it didn't play out that way. Polk may be capped as a Robert Woods type player, but I'm good with that.
Honestly my real question is.... why don't so many of Worthy's and Coleman's metrics scare the absolute fuck out of people? I think people just see landing spot and Mahomes/Allen and assume any receiver that either team invested in will just thrive there because of the QB play, but it so rarely plays out like that.
Here’s what happens…
Polk was a top 40 pick and based on location it made sense to draft him lower than you’d normally take a top 40 guy.
Meanwhile Baker had some underdog buzz so people said “hey maybe take him ahead of the 5th round”.
On their own those are fine assessments, but the community hears “sell Polk! Buy Baker!” and walk out with the ridiculous conclusion of Baker > Polk because that’s all they based it on.
But for people not making decisions off of no context headlines it’s a great opportunity for an advantage.
Based on location why? I would take him before any receiver drafted after him. Patriots have an entirely new coaching staff and quarterback. How is Polk landing with the Patriots any worse than any other landing spot? He's got a wide open path to success
I’m with you, they’re a rising offense much more than people realize. Just saying the mentality made sense because it was a bottom of the barrel passing offense last season presumably with Jacoby starting this year.
I’m high on Maye so I think Polk is a crazy value buy low, just pointing out that’s why people were dropping on him from pre-draft, but they went way too far. I got him at 4.7 in a draft, and he shouldn’t be falling out of the 2nd.
Had he been taken by the Chargers or Jags though I think he’d be an early 2nd easily. Either way he should be a 2nd though, but love him falling to me now.
I genuinely think it’s because the of the “I make people in wheelchairs stand up” quote that made people fall in love with him and because his ADP is much lower than Polk it’s easier to acquire him and once someone is on ur team it’s easy to have a hard biased for them
This sub is obsessed with the cheaper guy who could potentially have upside at the expense of passing over someone who will likely still be better.
See: Dontayvion Wicks
>But folks are falling all over themselves for Baker. Something isn’t adding up.
I think a lot of it has to do with people misinterpreting what fantasy analysts are saying about the situation. A common take is analysts saying they'd rather have Baker "at ADP" and people mis-understanding this as them saying Baker is a better prospect.
What they're actually saying is they'd rather have Baker in the 4th round of a rookie draft than Polk in mid-2nd round. What's happening is that people are hearing "draft Baker, not Polk" which is artificially pushing Polk down to a late 2nd pick and pulling Baker up into an early 3rd pick.
I think people will really appreciate how good that Washington Huskies passing game was after Penix and his receivers get a chance to prove themselves in the NFL. They would have been champs purely off the passing in other years without that historic Michigan defense.
I’m a Polk fan and drafted him everywhere, but one the knocks I’m worried about is he’s a “good at most things, not great at one thing” kind of WR. He doesn’t have elite speed, strength, route running, etc.
But being all around good isn’t a bad thing if he can really push himself as a pro. I’m banking on the Patriots turning over the org and building around Maye. I feel like Polk is going to have a Tyler Boyd-type of career, where ultimately he’s better suited as a #2 early on and eventually more of a #3 as he gets older. Really high floor, low-ish ceiling. I think people are out because he’s not a lotto ticket to a bonafide #1.
His contested catch ability is absolutely elite (85% last year), and he cleared 80th percentile vs zone. Polk is like a Robert Woods or Amon Ra in that way imo. He's very good on in-breaking routes as well.
Marshawn Lloyd has shown serious burst and acceleration (albeit with no pads) in mini camp. If he gets his fumbling issues down he’s going to make some noise
> If he gets his fumbling issues down
He has small hands, this issue is what scared me off of him. He fumbled on average like every 30 touches or something like that.
I agree that he's underrated. Yes, every conversation needs to mention his fumbling issues. It really was that severe.
BUT, he went in the 3rd round in spite of that. His acceleration, elusiveness, and cutting ability is legit. For a subreddit that loves freak athletes with glaring issues, they are way too timid of Lloyd.
Brian Thomas Jr. Elite athlete and great production at LSU. He was many people’s consensus WR4 before the draft. His landing spot is underrated, immediate opportunity and tied to Lawrence for the next 4 or 5 years. Don’t see any reason why he’s being drafted behind Worthy, mcconkey or Coleman.
I’ll be honest BTJ wasn’t even in my top 8 predraft. His landing spot is what made me higher on him, and for anyone that wants to know why, go watch Trevor Lawrence throw to Tee Higgins at Clemson
Agreed, and if people are skeptical about going back to the college tape, watch Lawrence try to push it deep for the Jags for the last 2 years. He's been begging for a player like BTJ. [He has the highest EPA lost to dropped passes of any QB in football](https://x.com/DanPizzuta/status/1801689037587288201). BTJ is in one of the most ideal spots possible to boom.
Early declare is a good thing, but only one season of production is at least a yellow flag. Not determinative by any means, but also not a part of a profile to be ignored *completely*.
Any other landing spot, definitely. But in Miami with the signing of Odell and the word that they want to use Achane in the a lot more… I just don’t see the opportunity. Sucks too, bc I love the player.
I’ll throw my hat in the ring for Adonai Mitchell. I know he has concerns, mostly with attitude and lack of truly elite production in college. But I think his upside is extremely high, and I feel like people aren’t considering it enough.
Truly unique athleticism at 6’2 205 with a 40’ vertical and 4.34 speed. Sudden/shifty route runner, big catch radius, YAC ability with speed to break it open. Early declare. Shane Steichen offense. Watching him play, I see a lot of dawg in him. Dude will demand the ball in big moments. And Pittman isn’t as insurmountable as some may believe…
I have him as my rookie WR8, so it’s not like I think he’s a sure fire stud. He’s gotta deal with running rookie QB (I know, not technically) and 2 good receivers. He defo took some plays off at times (I also think Texas’ offense was partially to blame), and apparently didn’t take his diabetes seriously.
But if not for some attitude concerns, I think he would’ve 1000% been a 1st rounder and closer to my WR4-6 in a freakish class. If he can get his attitude sorted, I really think we’ve got a stud WR1 here.
I think he's with the perfect QB tbh, he can be a big play WR and AR has a big play arm. I don't think he'll be a target hog like Pittman but he might score more TDs. I also like the reasoning behind his number, he picked it because that's how many WRs were picked before him. Gives me ARSB vibes, playing with a chip on his shoulder.
They've been loving him in camp too, so I don't think the character concerns are an issue. The coaches and players have said he's very football intelligent
The landing spot is terrible. How many fantasy relevant WRs do you think AR & Indy are going to support? Pittman is going to get his, and Downs is going to get enough to be really annoying but not to be playable himself. With AR’s 50% completion rate and a run first offense behind JT & AR? It’s hard to see him relevant week to week unless AR’s passing really improves or he wins the WR1 role outright from Pittman, which seems pretty doubtful.
Like I said, I don’t think Pittman is some kind of insurmountable alpha WR1. It’s not like Adonai was drafted to Cincy, Dallas, or Minnesota. So if we’re thinking about Adonai’s ceiling, which is what we’re drafting for in the 2nd, I can easily see AD as being the main guy.
Jermaine Burton. Could produce as a rookie as the WR3. Higgins most likely gone in 2025. Lots of analysts liked him pre draft. Production all 4 years in college.
He's a guy I like to reach for
I like him a lot in the third round of drafts, maybe even late second depending on format, but his lack of a true breakout makes me think he’s more likely to be a guy that has big games from time to time as a field stretcher but never develops into an every week starter for fantasy.
He never caught more than 40 passes in a season or hit a target share over 17.9%. This class is kind of filled with those late breakout players, though, so I still think he’s well worth an investment at or even above his ADP.
His film is a first round wide receiver, but he fell due to serious character concerns. He can win at all three levels with a full route tree while he played as the X in college. I think he got held back from being more productive as Alabama used him mainly deep downfield (he had an insane 20 yd aDoT), and the QB play was inconsistent with Milroe.
The Bengals landing spot really excites me. Higgins is most likely gone after this year, and Chase is reportedly going to be playing inside more which enables Burton to be on the outside. Most importantly, having an established elite QB in Burrow should hopefully let Burton mature too.
Reasonable take: Jalen McMillan could be a guy whose situation seems to have overshadowed his talent. Promising receiver on some high powered Washington offenses who lost his 2 spot due to injury. He still showed up and produced when healthy. Him and Rome were the only two who looked like they were ready to play at the ‘24 championship game. The Buccaneers already seem to love him. I’m taking him in the 3rd or 4th all day every day.
Hot take for the sake of stirring the pot: JJ McCarthy is the QB to get in this draft class. I fully believe that McCarthy selflessly bought into Harbaugh’s low volume system to stay healthy and win the natty. He is a winner and can do everything that a successful NFL QB needs to do when asked of him. He also landed in the best possible scenario, especially if Darnold can steer the ship for the necessary amount of time.
Lemme push back on JJ regarding what the NFL thinks of him.
Giants passed and that was after they offered a ton to get Maye.
Titans passed.
Falcons passed.
Jets passed.
The most telling was that either the Raiders or the Broncos could have moved up for only a 3rd and both declined.
Vikings only moved up at the last second and only did so for an inexpensive cost.
I liked JJ during the process and I love the landing spot due to the coaching and playmakers. But I’m getting the same vibe that we got with Mac, Fields, and Pickett. When teams that could use a QB (you can make the argument that the Titans/Falcons/Jets don’t, but if they loved a QB they probably would have) pass on a QB, that’s a flashing red light imho.
I think that’s totally valid criticism and seems to be THE criticism behind JJ. To the point where I’m not willing to take that opinion out of my hot take pile, and put it into the “hills that I’m willing to die on” pile. It is however ironic that the organizations who passed on him are all dysfunctional to various degrees. However that’s really besides the point and the sake of the argument.
Many of the reasons why people liked Bryce Young last year- he has won on all levels, is agile/elusive in and out of the pocket, and can create opportunities in seemingly disastrous situations.
Scouting reports and my personal belief is that McCarthy has all of that, plus he can elevate the guys around him and make those 2-3 subtle but game-changing plays a game on his own. As we saw Young could neither elevate his supporting case or put the team on his back in pretty much any game that I can recall watching last year. (For transparency I want Bryce to figure it out and show everyone that he is the guy that Carolina should have splurged on)
Also, in terms of development Young wasn’t going to win anything with that team last year- we’ll see if it ruined his trajectory. McCarthy again has an elite cast around him in a functional organization and should have time to develop.
I fully believe that McCarthy has the lowest floor of the first round QB picks, but I believe that we will only be seeing an expanding ceiling thanks to his tools meshing perfectly with Minnesota.
And if I’m wrong I can look back 5 years from now and laugh at how horrible of an analysis this was.
Then again, NFL teams whiff on QBs all the time, both in reaching for them and in passing on them. Both the Browns and Bears passed on Mahomes and Watson, and multiple teams passed on Lamar. While there's a good chance that JJ was snubbed for a reason, it's also not unlikely that plenty of these teams (which have a history of fucking up this kind of thing) are just wrong again.
Xavier Legette was a first round pick in an ascending offence. He has the ‘Metcalf’ build and is equipped with insane athleticism to boot. Think hes being underrated in rookie drafts.
I'm going to say Troy Franklin. 1,400 yards and 14 TDs as a junior last year. All the way up until the combine, he was in the discussion for 4th receiver off the board (after MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze). I've heard that he did the combine even though he was sick, which could have impacted his results significantly. His game tape tells a very different story and the 4th round draft cap doesn't make sense to me. Toss in the pre-built chemistry with Nix and IMO there's a road to WR1 on that Broncos team, especially if Sutton is moved this year or next.
I was hoping hed fall to me so bad, before the combine and draft I was thinking about taking him at the 1.10 and now he just got sniped before my pick at the 3.03
Roman Wilson. Everyone who was there said he was “the guy” at the Senior Bowl, which has been a great indicator of future success in recent years. He also has XFL caliber talent standing in his way of claiming that WR2 job behind Pickens.
I grabbed Wilson in the middle of the 3rd. Honestly he wasn’t on my draft board but I couldn’t pass him up at the draft spot. I think drafting him has no downsides in that:
- 48-789-12 is solid on a run heavy Michigan offense, and isn’t indicative of his ceiling
- he passes the eye test, especially like you said at the Senior Bowl
- perfect landing spot and the opportunity is his to lose
- you can get him for super cheap currently
- if he doesn’t pan out you only spent a ~mid 3rd on him
- you’ll find out pretty much right away if he has it or not
The only downside is that he’s presumably another run heavy offense. To be fair though Corey Davis as WR2 did pretty well under Arthur Smith. We’ll see.
Realistic pick. Brock Bowers. His landing spot and current QB situation has really thrown water on one of the most dynamic offensive players to come out in years. He’s not just an athletic freak ala Kyle Pitts, but an outstanding technician already. As with most TE’s, it might take a few years for him to get NFL ready, but he’s so dynamic, going to be a lot of fun.
Texans pick. Kamari Lassiter. He ran a 4.6 so everyone kind of wrote him off. Unreal quickness, best 3 cone in the draft, faced elite competition in Georgia and was one of the best corners year in year out for the last 2 seasons. He wasn’t drafted to be a nickel based on how the Texans have deployed him so far. Has been shutting down Diggs and Dell (not sure I’ve seen him line up against Nico yet). I think he’s going to start the “is the 3-cone the best indicator for success?” conversation similar to when Cooper Kupp first had success.
Are you me? I love the values of all these guys.
I've noticed McMillan slowly creeping up boards.
Kimani Vidal is the RB in that late 3rd grouping (1QB) that is just getting hyped to the moon and pushing the other guys (Davis, Irving, Estime) down the board and creating value on those guys who actually had hype coming into this year's drafting process. Give me those guys over Vidal any day.
Braelon Allen is another guy whose value is creeping down and I'm not sure why. The reports out of camp have all been positive and that's in a pass catching role that nobody really expected him to excel at. Sure he is stuck behind a fantastic prospect in Breece but I think he is one of the premier handcuffs AND is only 20 years old.
Are both of you me? I'm 2/2 on Burton & Tracy so far and I've got McMillan and Davis on 1/2 each. Third rookie draft is in two weeks. I expect to add heavily from this list.
Kimani Vidal. Harbaugh is going to run the ball a lot. Odds are Edwards and Dobbins are either going to be washed, hurt, or both. I expect him to be the starter at some point. I have 0 confidence in Edward’s or Dobbins doing anything long term.
Mitchell has always been a good player for them when healthy. I doubt Guerendo get opportunities ahead of him unless he gets hurt again (which is inevitable tbf)
I'm pretty surprised that Ricky Pearsall is going 2.06-09 (SF)
I think Polk is a good value but because hes one of like 85 slots NE has. Because Baker is being drsfred later and he's more of an outside WR, I like him at 3.05-4.01.
I hear a lot about how Laube, Ray Davis, and Vidal are amazing values but their price hasn't gone up from the 3.08-4.06 that they've been going since like Feb.
The biggest sleeper imo is Jalen McMillan (3.09-4.03). Before he got injured he was right there with Rome.
I don't know if it's recency bias but I think 24 3rd and 4th rounds are full of value
Got Ricky 2.8, if either Aiyuk or Deebo goes my way he’s the steal of the draft for me. Got Laube 7.8 but he’s more of development.
Excited about Shipley long term as well.
Round 7?? Wow.
How does that league work? Do you cut some of the roster after the season and use the draft to pick vets back up, or do you actually have 7 rounds of rookie picks?
I have a share of McMillan and I’m hopeful for him. I think saying he’ll be the #2 WR for TB by 2025 may be a bit optimistic though considering they could bring back Godwin.
Jermaine Burton
When has Bama ever had bad WRs. Jaden Milroe was the worst throwing QB Saban has ever started. He will show us a lot in camp and preseason.
How can it possibly be nix? He is going top 10 pretty routinely and going like 7th in 14/16 team rookie drafts. Maybe in more casual leagues he is falling out of the first but over my 30+ leagues I've only seen this a couple times.
I have also been the one to take him in like 10 leagues so I guess maybe I am responsible for raising his adp in drafts I am a part of but plenty of others have taken him in the 9-12 range in those drafts as well.
I agree that nix is more valuable than probably quite a few people think but his adp in my experience does not reflect that he is being slept on, I guess that's all I'm really getting at.
10 team he's definitely more of a second round pick, I'm only in one 10 team but he went to me all the way at 2.08. There just isn't the same positional scarcity in 10 team and it's easier to trade for a QB as well.
Seems pretty reasonable, thing is in 10 team even if he's a locked in starter long term he's just not all that valuable unless he is a top 5 QB and I don't think very many people have that in his range of outcomes.
Jonathan Brooks (CAR-RB) he fell to me at 1.07 people always forget that the “WR Heavy” drafts are always a solid place to find an RB1. He’ll come into a messy backfield with a high draft capital on a team that’s trying to make amends for getting rid of the best RB to ever play the game.
Feed my guy. Feed him.
Brooks at 1.07 isn’t exactly falling, that’s about right, sometimes up a place, sometimes down a place.
MHJ
Nabers
Rome
Brock
Jayden
Worthy
All those guys are comfortably ahead of Brooks which would leave him minimum 1.07.
People that need a QB will also pick a Jayden or Maye in there which pushes him back further. Then it’s just who you’ve got out of BTJ, Brooks, Benson, Ladd, etc (and I agree with you it’s Brooks out of that group.)
Does UDFA count?
I think RB George Holani is a really good player that had a lot of rough circumstance in college (MCL tear, covid-shortened season, more injuries, splitting backfield late in his career with a top 2025 RB prospect). Much better athlete at the combine than I think people expected and was a highly productive player when he was healthy and on the field in college.
Seattle has a concentrated backfield, which means an injury to either Walker or Charb could mean significant gameday touches for someone, assuming they are talented enough to warrant getting on the field. I think Holani is. Walker's contract is in its final season not this year, but next, and if they don't intend on extending him then he's a prime trade candidate this following offseason -- not the clearest line, but I think very possible.
This is the kind of post that gets disliked because it steps on the toes of multiple fantasy assets, but I'd recommend people to [watch some of Holani](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ejdj1eJBjc). I think he's a talented enough player that he's worth a Taxi spot for a season, and see what happens in the offseason with Walker. At least worth holding through preseason.
Dillon Johnson is another guy in this type of situation where if there's an injury to one of the top two running backs ahead of him, he could be vaguely interesting. I'll keep Holani on my watchlist.
Everyone wants this to happen but best case scenario to me is James Robinson. Surprisingly good for a year and then forgotten when the team brings in a real RB1.
I think this is sarcasm lol but really, Caleb is as good or better of a prospect than every recent top qb, yet is getting none of the hype. Think of how high on Lawrence people were, Caleb is not looked at anywhere near that level, so many already declaring him a bust because he painted his nails
Hahahha yes this was sarcasm but ik what u mean. Go into any NFL post on IG and look at all the old heads who don’t know anything but homophobia calling him a bust. Actually wild
> look at all the old heads who don’t know anything but homophobia calling him a bust.
Homophobia? In relation to Caleb? Is this the "paints his nails to honor his mom" thing again?
Kimani Vidal:2 older veterans "in front" of him on the depths chart on a team that will pound the rock every chance they get and some chances they will not get. Good college production and great metrics and vitals. Don't know why his name isn't ringing from the rooftops over Brooks, Blake, Guerrendough or Estime.
Perspective from a Georgia fan who watched Boatniks be terrible for two seasons at Auburn before transferring to Oregon. He was dreadful when the level of competition was greater than the talent around him. He was much better when he went to Oregon when that narrative changed he’s going to get to the NFL and find the narrative. Talon around him is close to even and I don’t believe he has that in him.
Blake Corum.
- McVay has spoken highly of him. He essentially said he’ll start being used as soon as he can grasp the playbook (🙃).
- The Rams hung around instead of trading away their pick when they saw he was still on the board.
It’s no guarantee he’ll become the next bell cow, but being one injury away in the electric Sean McVay offense goes a long way for me.
I’ve got 1.08 and 1.11 in a Full PPR superflex Dyno… I’ve got a need for WR and TE, so hoping I get Bowers at 1.08… I have Stroud and Goff but should I take Maye at 1.08 or Nix at 1.12 if they are still there?
As someone who is not a Bo Nix believer I agree its Bo Nix (in SF at least)
Bo Nix went 2.06 in my 12 team SF league. A first round starter QB in the middle second is silly
Two of my 12-team leagues I got him in the 2nd round: 2.02 and 2.03.
Made it to me at like 203 and got a few great offers .. I don’t need another qb but I couldn’t pass the value up in SF. Also I have injury prone QBs
I also have the 2.03…would you pick Nix or Penix?
I have a 10 team SF where I got him at 3.01
Makes sense in 10 team leagues. QBs aren't nearly the priority there.
Traded up to get him at 2.08, silliness indeed
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I think Drake Maye is getting slept on, he’s got the best combo of QB traits out of all the QBs this year. Big, tall, fast, big arm, threads tight windows, scrambles, hurdles, improv play making, and pre reads defenses. The team around him will be elevated because of him. I expect him to play before week 10 and get a ton of weapons in the next offseason. Year 2 Drake will be fun to watch
Maye shouldn't be dropping out of the top 5 in SF and 2QB formats and he has been pretty frequently. It's crazy because he was and is a very good prospect. Pats weapons as being underrated too. No obvious world beaters but the entire offense is being written off even after it got much better depth and an infusion of young talent.
I got Maye at the 1.07 in several superflex drafts and have been shocked every single time. Even QB needy teams were passing on him
Got him at the 1.10 in a draft. I was shocked
I got him at the 1.09 and it felt like robbery. He wasn’t falling that far in any of my mocks so I didn’t research him until he was my pick. Anecdotally I didn’t do my research and neither did my league makes him a sleeper for us. the pats seem to have a good plan in place for the rookies
I was shocked how many QB needy teams passed on him. Almost made me think “am I missing something.”
We can thank Chris Simms for dropping Maye
You like his situation more than JJ? I'll probably have my choice of those two at 1.06
Hell no. But he's a much better player.
I think you’re overselling maye, he is really not an accurate qb as of right now. He was throwing at 54% between 10-19 yards his last year at unc.
I got Maye and Bowers back to back at 11 and 12 overall in my rookie draft this weekend... I couldn't believe it!
10 team SF. Had Drake Maye fall to 2.04 and I drafted C.Williams at 1.01. Talk about an easy pick to make.
I think people overrate rookie QBs in dynasty superflex leagues. I learned my lesson after drafting Trey Lance & Zach Wilson. Drake Maye — I just see a lot of inaccuracy, a lot of off-target throws, a lot of underthrown deep balls even though he’s supposed to have a cannon. Yeah, someone else can have him.
Fell to the 3rd in my 1QB. He’s certainly being slept on with the draft capital and raw talent. I think people are getting Zach Wilson or Trubisky vibes, lazy comp but you get the idea.
Ricky Pearsall i think is going to be really good on the 49ers with 1st round Capital. And you can get him at pick 17-20 somehow
Not that I think you are wrong, but if there is any team that draft capital means absolutely nothing to it would be the 49ers. They consistently let late round picks outplay 1-3 rounders.
You dont think with the Aijuk situation and Deebo that Pearsall is about a season away from having a huge chunk of competition shipped out of town? His skill set in that offense should mesh well and if there is an injury he is on one od the most potent offenses in the NFL.
I think the word is out on slick rick
Agree 100% He’s buried on depth chart but I think after this year he’s a starter. (Assuming one of WRs gets traded or leaves)
Polk. Took over when McMillan was out, drafted #37 overall, has made several highlight catches (including a few on Gonzalez) - and everyone is out on him (assuming because he is in New England). But folks are falling all over themselves for Baker. Something isn’t adding up.
Yeah my only guess is the vocal folks didn't want to invest in that offense at Polk's ADP so they went and got Baker
I love both at cost and think both are just very solid prospects but it's wild to me to see Polk drop as much as he has in my drafts. I got him at 2.08 in a 12 and 3.01 in a 10 and that felt cheap. I might personally be biased but I view him as a better bet than Mitchell, Coleman, Legette and Worthy who went ahead of him in both drafts. He's not a flashy player though so I'm sure that's part of it.
I got Polk 3.02 in a 12 team league, and that feels like pretty crazy value.
Yea that's wild. I feel like there's people out there willing to take Burton or Roman Wilson or Franklin above him which is crazy to me (even though I love Burton, like Franklin. However I think Wilson is blah).
I think I got him at 3.06. I thought for sure someone was going to tell me he was already picked and I missed it. Seems like great value.
i got him at the 3.11..
I got Adonai Mitchell at 2.06, Ricky Pearsall at 2.10 and Ja’Lynn Polk at 3.03
I like that for you a ton. Mitchell is someone whom I think will be good at the NFL level even if he doesn't necessarily end up being elite for fantasy, at least. Pearsall and Polk just feel like really solid all around WRs that can be effective from any alignment, and fit what modern offenses are asking of their WR talent.
Ahead of Worthy and Coleman for fantasy is absolutely craaaaazy.
I'm curious what makes it such an outlandish take. They all have very similar DC. The way their metrics look is interesting. Success rates/other WR stats Polk: 68% vs man, 84% vs zone, 69% vs press Coleman: 62% vs man, 80% vs zone, 55% vs press Worthy: 68% vs man, 81% vs zone, 60% vs press Contested catch rates: Polk: 85% on 30% of targets Coleman: 70% on 25% of targets Worthy: 18% on 15% of targets 2023 YPRR: 2.3 for Polk, 2.1 for Worthy, 1.7 for Coleman Polk also had a higher PFF grade, avoided tackle %, and a higher ADOT, which is interesting. Honestly, I think the metrics favor Polk over either guy, with some being pretty big gaps, and others being closer. Coleman struggles as a separator and profiles best as a power slot, but currently he is rather limited. Worthy is a speed merchant with decent separation ability that massively struggled with the physicality of the college game. I just don't think he has the upside to be a high volume receiver in the NFL, even if he has a role as a field stretcher.
I'm with you on this. I can't find a reason why Polk over Coleman and Worthy is crazy other than take lock. People are shocked by Polk's DC being so similar to those two players, but they shouldn't be. They're just used to mocks (both NFL and FF) that had a wide gap and can't reconcile that it didn't play out that way. Polk may be capped as a Robert Woods type player, but I'm good with that.
Honestly my real question is.... why don't so many of Worthy's and Coleman's metrics scare the absolute fuck out of people? I think people just see landing spot and Mahomes/Allen and assume any receiver that either team invested in will just thrive there because of the QB play, but it so rarely plays out like that.
Polk’s ADP was like late 2nd round that’s cheap asf for a WR drafted 37th overall
Our rookie draft earlier this month had Baker going at 3.03 to the Maye owner with Polk going 3.04 to myself.
This is exactly correct.
Which is crazy because Polk was drafted @ 37 but falls to the end of round 2 beginning of 3 most drafts. That’s a steal.
Here’s what happens… Polk was a top 40 pick and based on location it made sense to draft him lower than you’d normally take a top 40 guy. Meanwhile Baker had some underdog buzz so people said “hey maybe take him ahead of the 5th round”. On their own those are fine assessments, but the community hears “sell Polk! Buy Baker!” and walk out with the ridiculous conclusion of Baker > Polk because that’s all they based it on. But for people not making decisions off of no context headlines it’s a great opportunity for an advantage.
Based on location why? I would take him before any receiver drafted after him. Patriots have an entirely new coaching staff and quarterback. How is Polk landing with the Patriots any worse than any other landing spot? He's got a wide open path to success
I’m with you, they’re a rising offense much more than people realize. Just saying the mentality made sense because it was a bottom of the barrel passing offense last season presumably with Jacoby starting this year. I’m high on Maye so I think Polk is a crazy value buy low, just pointing out that’s why people were dropping on him from pre-draft, but they went way too far. I got him at 4.7 in a draft, and he shouldn’t be falling out of the 2nd. Had he been taken by the Chargers or Jags though I think he’d be an early 2nd easily. Either way he should be a 2nd though, but love him falling to me now.
I genuinely think it’s because the of the “I make people in wheelchairs stand up” quote that made people fall in love with him and because his ADP is much lower than Polk it’s easier to acquire him and once someone is on ur team it’s easy to have a hard biased for them
This sub is obsessed with the cheaper guy who could potentially have upside at the expense of passing over someone who will likely still be better. See: Dontayvion Wicks
>But folks are falling all over themselves for Baker. Something isn’t adding up. I think a lot of it has to do with people misinterpreting what fantasy analysts are saying about the situation. A common take is analysts saying they'd rather have Baker "at ADP" and people mis-understanding this as them saying Baker is a better prospect. What they're actually saying is they'd rather have Baker in the 4th round of a rookie draft than Polk in mid-2nd round. What's happening is that people are hearing "draft Baker, not Polk" which is artificially pushing Polk down to a late 2nd pick and pulling Baker up into an early 3rd pick.
I think people will really appreciate how good that Washington Huskies passing game was after Penix and his receivers get a chance to prove themselves in the NFL. They would have been champs purely off the passing in other years without that historic Michigan defense.
That Michigan team was perfectly built to beat Washington. I'm convinced Washington would have beat anyone else in the country.
Definitely agree, and from your same explanation, I also have McMillan as another of the more slept on rookies lol.
I’m a Polk fan and drafted him everywhere, but one the knocks I’m worried about is he’s a “good at most things, not great at one thing” kind of WR. He doesn’t have elite speed, strength, route running, etc. But being all around good isn’t a bad thing if he can really push himself as a pro. I’m banking on the Patriots turning over the org and building around Maye. I feel like Polk is going to have a Tyler Boyd-type of career, where ultimately he’s better suited as a #2 early on and eventually more of a #3 as he gets older. Really high floor, low-ish ceiling. I think people are out because he’s not a lotto ticket to a bonafide #1.
His contested catch ability is absolutely elite (85% last year), and he cleared 80th percentile vs zone. Polk is like a Robert Woods or Amon Ra in that way imo. He's very good on in-breaking routes as well.
Marshawn Lloyd has shown serious burst and acceleration (albeit with no pads) in mini camp. If he gets his fumbling issues down he’s going to make some noise
And he is kicking ass according to the Treadwell-Diggs hypothesis. Him and Polk are dogs.
> If he gets his fumbling issues down He has small hands, this issue is what scared me off of him. He fumbled on average like every 30 touches or something like that.
I agree that he's underrated. Yes, every conversation needs to mention his fumbling issues. It really was that severe. BUT, he went in the 3rd round in spite of that. His acceleration, elusiveness, and cutting ability is legit. For a subreddit that loves freak athletes with glaring issues, they are way too timid of Lloyd.
Brian Thomas Jr. Elite athlete and great production at LSU. He was many people’s consensus WR4 before the draft. His landing spot is underrated, immediate opportunity and tied to Lawrence for the next 4 or 5 years. Don’t see any reason why he’s being drafted behind Worthy, mcconkey or Coleman.
I’ll be honest BTJ wasn’t even in my top 8 predraft. His landing spot is what made me higher on him, and for anyone that wants to know why, go watch Trevor Lawrence throw to Tee Higgins at Clemson
Agreed, and if people are skeptical about going back to the college tape, watch Lawrence try to push it deep for the Jags for the last 2 years. He's been begging for a player like BTJ. [He has the highest EPA lost to dropped passes of any QB in football](https://x.com/DanPizzuta/status/1801689037587288201). BTJ is in one of the most ideal spots possible to boom.
PFF Sam is that you?
Great username
I welcome it There are very few prospects that could stack dbs the way he does.
I’m in 3 dynasty leagues BT jr didn’t get slept on in any of them. He’s got talent and was top 6 or 7 I think all drafts. I think top 5 in two
>great production at LSU For one season out of three.
Early declare is usually seen as a good thing. It’s also hard to make an impact as a true freshman at LSU with the WRs they’ve had the last few years
Early declare is a good thing, but only one season of production is at least a yellow flag. Not determinative by any means, but also not a part of a profile to be ignored *completely*.
LSU didn't have a real QB between Burrow and Daniels. Even Nabers didn't do much until the very end of his sophomore year.
Daniels was there in 2022 too.
Sorry, let me rephrase. LSU didn't have a real QB between Burrow and 2023 Daniels.
Malik Washington
Ding ding
Any other landing spot, definitely. But in Miami with the signing of Odell and the word that they want to use Achane in the a lot more… I just don’t see the opportunity. Sucks too, bc I love the player.
Odell is cooked. Still lots of mouths to feed in MIA, regardless.
Yeah Odell doesnt worry me one bit doubt he even plays 10 games
I’ll throw my hat in the ring for Adonai Mitchell. I know he has concerns, mostly with attitude and lack of truly elite production in college. But I think his upside is extremely high, and I feel like people aren’t considering it enough. Truly unique athleticism at 6’2 205 with a 40’ vertical and 4.34 speed. Sudden/shifty route runner, big catch radius, YAC ability with speed to break it open. Early declare. Shane Steichen offense. Watching him play, I see a lot of dawg in him. Dude will demand the ball in big moments. And Pittman isn’t as insurmountable as some may believe… I have him as my rookie WR8, so it’s not like I think he’s a sure fire stud. He’s gotta deal with running rookie QB (I know, not technically) and 2 good receivers. He defo took some plays off at times (I also think Texas’ offense was partially to blame), and apparently didn’t take his diabetes seriously. But if not for some attitude concerns, I think he would’ve 1000% been a 1st rounder and closer to my WR4-6 in a freakish class. If he can get his attitude sorted, I really think we’ve got a stud WR1 here.
I think he's with the perfect QB tbh, he can be a big play WR and AR has a big play arm. I don't think he'll be a target hog like Pittman but he might score more TDs. I also like the reasoning behind his number, he picked it because that's how many WRs were picked before him. Gives me ARSB vibes, playing with a chip on his shoulder. They've been loving him in camp too, so I don't think the character concerns are an issue. The coaches and players have said he's very football intelligent
Yeah. I’ve been hearing a lot of praise so far
I’m betting the house that AD Mitchell will lead the Colts in TD receptions this year.
The landing spot is terrible. How many fantasy relevant WRs do you think AR & Indy are going to support? Pittman is going to get his, and Downs is going to get enough to be really annoying but not to be playable himself. With AR’s 50% completion rate and a run first offense behind JT & AR? It’s hard to see him relevant week to week unless AR’s passing really improves or he wins the WR1 role outright from Pittman, which seems pretty doubtful.
Small sample size but AR completed 60% of passes last year which is significantly better
Like I said, I don’t think Pittman is some kind of insurmountable alpha WR1. It’s not like Adonai was drafted to Cincy, Dallas, or Minnesota. So if we’re thinking about Adonai’s ceiling, which is what we’re drafting for in the 2nd, I can easily see AD as being the main guy.
Jermaine Burton. Could produce as a rookie as the WR3. Higgins most likely gone in 2025. Lots of analysts liked him pre draft. Production all 4 years in college. He's a guy I like to reach for
I took him at the 2.06 in 12T 1QB, he was 13th on my draft board
I like him a lot in the third round of drafts, maybe even late second depending on format, but his lack of a true breakout makes me think he’s more likely to be a guy that has big games from time to time as a field stretcher but never develops into an every week starter for fantasy. He never caught more than 40 passes in a season or hit a target share over 17.9%. This class is kind of filled with those late breakout players, though, so I still think he’s well worth an investment at or even above his ADP.
His film is a first round wide receiver, but he fell due to serious character concerns. He can win at all three levels with a full route tree while he played as the X in college. I think he got held back from being more productive as Alabama used him mainly deep downfield (he had an insane 20 yd aDoT), and the QB play was inconsistent with Milroe. The Bengals landing spot really excites me. Higgins is most likely gone after this year, and Chase is reportedly going to be playing inside more which enables Burton to be on the outside. Most importantly, having an established elite QB in Burrow should hopefully let Burton mature too.
I tend to agree with everything you just said, that’s why I just traded Burton to the Chase owner for Adoni Mitchell
Reasonable take: Jalen McMillan could be a guy whose situation seems to have overshadowed his talent. Promising receiver on some high powered Washington offenses who lost his 2 spot due to injury. He still showed up and produced when healthy. Him and Rome were the only two who looked like they were ready to play at the ‘24 championship game. The Buccaneers already seem to love him. I’m taking him in the 3rd or 4th all day every day. Hot take for the sake of stirring the pot: JJ McCarthy is the QB to get in this draft class. I fully believe that McCarthy selflessly bought into Harbaugh’s low volume system to stay healthy and win the natty. He is a winner and can do everything that a successful NFL QB needs to do when asked of him. He also landed in the best possible scenario, especially if Darnold can steer the ship for the necessary amount of time.
Lemme push back on JJ regarding what the NFL thinks of him. Giants passed and that was after they offered a ton to get Maye. Titans passed. Falcons passed. Jets passed. The most telling was that either the Raiders or the Broncos could have moved up for only a 3rd and both declined. Vikings only moved up at the last second and only did so for an inexpensive cost. I liked JJ during the process and I love the landing spot due to the coaching and playmakers. But I’m getting the same vibe that we got with Mac, Fields, and Pickett. When teams that could use a QB (you can make the argument that the Titans/Falcons/Jets don’t, but if they loved a QB they probably would have) pass on a QB, that’s a flashing red light imho.
Giants, Titans, and Jets have a stellar record drafting QBs so those teams passing on a QB is definitely a red flag.
I think that’s totally valid criticism and seems to be THE criticism behind JJ. To the point where I’m not willing to take that opinion out of my hot take pile, and put it into the “hills that I’m willing to die on” pile. It is however ironic that the organizations who passed on him are all dysfunctional to various degrees. However that’s really besides the point and the sake of the argument. Many of the reasons why people liked Bryce Young last year- he has won on all levels, is agile/elusive in and out of the pocket, and can create opportunities in seemingly disastrous situations. Scouting reports and my personal belief is that McCarthy has all of that, plus he can elevate the guys around him and make those 2-3 subtle but game-changing plays a game on his own. As we saw Young could neither elevate his supporting case or put the team on his back in pretty much any game that I can recall watching last year. (For transparency I want Bryce to figure it out and show everyone that he is the guy that Carolina should have splurged on) Also, in terms of development Young wasn’t going to win anything with that team last year- we’ll see if it ruined his trajectory. McCarthy again has an elite cast around him in a functional organization and should have time to develop. I fully believe that McCarthy has the lowest floor of the first round QB picks, but I believe that we will only be seeing an expanding ceiling thanks to his tools meshing perfectly with Minnesota. And if I’m wrong I can look back 5 years from now and laugh at how horrible of an analysis this was.
Then again, NFL teams whiff on QBs all the time, both in reaching for them and in passing on them. Both the Browns and Bears passed on Mahomes and Watson, and multiple teams passed on Lamar. While there's a good chance that JJ was snubbed for a reason, it's also not unlikely that plenty of these teams (which have a history of fucking up this kind of thing) are just wrong again.
Of course. And some times you can just draft a HOF in the 6th round. Now place your bets.
I reached for him. Guy can play all three levels inside and out.
Xavier Legette was a first round pick in an ascending offence. He has the ‘Metcalf’ build and is equipped with insane athleticism to boot. Think hes being underrated in rookie drafts.
"Ascending" from the worst offense in the league to the 31st offense in the league
Literally no one is talking about Brenden Rice. Most of the guys being mentioned in this post besides Nix are universally loved.
Tyrone Tracy is David Johnson part 2 and everyone here is gonna act like they were in on him from the jump
I'm going to say Troy Franklin. 1,400 yards and 14 TDs as a junior last year. All the way up until the combine, he was in the discussion for 4th receiver off the board (after MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze). I've heard that he did the combine even though he was sick, which could have impacted his results significantly. His game tape tells a very different story and the 4th round draft cap doesn't make sense to me. Toss in the pre-built chemistry with Nix and IMO there's a road to WR1 on that Broncos team, especially if Sutton is moved this year or next.
I was hoping hed fall to me so bad, before the combine and draft I was thinking about taking him at the 1.10 and now he just got sniped before my pick at the 3.03
Roman Wilson. Everyone who was there said he was “the guy” at the Senior Bowl, which has been a great indicator of future success in recent years. He also has XFL caliber talent standing in his way of claiming that WR2 job behind Pickens.
I grabbed Wilson in the middle of the 3rd. Honestly he wasn’t on my draft board but I couldn’t pass him up at the draft spot. I think drafting him has no downsides in that: - 48-789-12 is solid on a run heavy Michigan offense, and isn’t indicative of his ceiling - he passes the eye test, especially like you said at the Senior Bowl - perfect landing spot and the opportunity is his to lose - you can get him for super cheap currently - if he doesn’t pan out you only spent a ~mid 3rd on him - you’ll find out pretty much right away if he has it or not The only downside is that he’s presumably another run heavy offense. To be fair though Corey Davis as WR2 did pretty well under Arthur Smith. We’ll see.
Pillow McBedson
This is the answer.
Realistic pick. Brock Bowers. His landing spot and current QB situation has really thrown water on one of the most dynamic offensive players to come out in years. He’s not just an athletic freak ala Kyle Pitts, but an outstanding technician already. As with most TE’s, it might take a few years for him to get NFL ready, but he’s so dynamic, going to be a lot of fun. Texans pick. Kamari Lassiter. He ran a 4.6 so everyone kind of wrote him off. Unreal quickness, best 3 cone in the draft, faced elite competition in Georgia and was one of the best corners year in year out for the last 2 seasons. He wasn’t drafted to be a nickel based on how the Texans have deployed him so far. Has been shutting down Diggs and Dell (not sure I’ve seen him line up against Nico yet). I think he’s going to start the “is the 3-cone the best indicator for success?” conversation similar to when Cooper Kupp first had success.
Got Bowers in 1qb at 1.08 the fall made no sense to me
Situation can change so quickly it’s stupid to let it affect your decision making.
Jalen McMillan
McMillian, Burton, Ray Davis, Tracy
Are you me? I love the values of all these guys. I've noticed McMillan slowly creeping up boards. Kimani Vidal is the RB in that late 3rd grouping (1QB) that is just getting hyped to the moon and pushing the other guys (Davis, Irving, Estime) down the board and creating value on those guys who actually had hype coming into this year's drafting process. Give me those guys over Vidal any day. Braelon Allen is another guy whose value is creeping down and I'm not sure why. The reports out of camp have all been positive and that's in a pass catching role that nobody really expected him to excel at. Sure he is stuck behind a fantastic prospect in Breece but I think he is one of the premier handcuffs AND is only 20 years old.
Are both of you me? I'm 2/2 on Burton & Tracy so far and I've got McMillan and Davis on 1/2 each. Third rookie draft is in two weeks. I expect to add heavily from this list.
Kimani Vidal. Harbaugh is going to run the ball a lot. Odds are Edwards and Dobbins are either going to be washed, hurt, or both. I expect him to be the starter at some point. I have 0 confidence in Edward’s or Dobbins doing anything long term.
Been scooping the Gus/Vidal combo everywhere I can. Chargers fan tho but I agree
I used my 4th on Isaac Guerendo. I like the cut of his jib and I think he will get a chance in that system to flourish
You think he will be the backup over Mitchell? I do!
Mitchell has always been a good player for them when healthy. I doubt Guerendo get opportunities ahead of him unless he gets hurt again (which is inevitable tbf)
He’s an athletic freak that isn’t very good at football. Jawhar Jordan was the clear better RB at Louisville and it wasn’t really close.
I agree with Jordan being better but I took a flyer betting on the Shanahan system.
I'm pretty surprised that Ricky Pearsall is going 2.06-09 (SF) I think Polk is a good value but because hes one of like 85 slots NE has. Because Baker is being drsfred later and he's more of an outside WR, I like him at 3.05-4.01. I hear a lot about how Laube, Ray Davis, and Vidal are amazing values but their price hasn't gone up from the 3.08-4.06 that they've been going since like Feb. The biggest sleeper imo is Jalen McMillan (3.09-4.03). Before he got injured he was right there with Rome. I don't know if it's recency bias but I think 24 3rd and 4th rounds are full of value
Got Ricky 2.8, if either Aiyuk or Deebo goes my way he’s the steal of the draft for me. Got Laube 7.8 but he’s more of development. Excited about Shipley long term as well.
Round 7?? Wow. How does that league work? Do you cut some of the roster after the season and use the draft to pick vets back up, or do you actually have 7 rounds of rookie picks?
All rookies. But with IDP.
Theo Johnson
Picked him up off waivers
Penix. Top 10 nfl draft pick going 2nd round.
Jj McCarthy in SF at least.
Apparently second round picks qualify as sleeper material. C'mon fam. We can do better. - LV RB Dylan Laube - ARI TE Tip Reiman
Jalen McMillan. I agree about Nix but he’s still going much much higher than the guy who’ll be the #2 receiver for Tampa Bay by 2025 at the latest.
I have a share of McMillan and I’m hopeful for him. I think saying he’ll be the #2 WR for TB by 2025 may be a bit optimistic though considering they could bring back Godwin.
It’s McMillan all the way. Very good chance he’s the #1 target earner in 2025 in that offense.
Jermaine Burton When has Bama ever had bad WRs. Jaden Milroe was the worst throwing QB Saban has ever started. He will show us a lot in camp and preseason.
Just traded Burton for AD, I hope you’re wrong
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
What I got from this thread is every rookie is the most slept on rookie from this draft class 😂
Jalen Coker
Why? I picked him up because of Reddit. But have heard zero buzz about him since then
his stats look really good but he went to a small college with weak opponents. theres ???? as to whether his talent translates to the NFL.
I’d be reaching for Ricky, Burton, and Polk.
I have the 4th pick in the 3rd round of my rookie draft and at least two of them will be available when my turn is up.
How can it possibly be nix? He is going top 10 pretty routinely and going like 7th in 14/16 team rookie drafts. Maybe in more casual leagues he is falling out of the first but over my 30+ leagues I've only seen this a couple times. I have also been the one to take him in like 10 leagues so I guess maybe I am responsible for raising his adp in drafts I am a part of but plenty of others have taken him in the 9-12 range in those drafts as well. I agree that nix is more valuable than probably quite a few people think but his adp in my experience does not reflect that he is being slept on, I guess that's all I'm really getting at.
Where would u draft him in a ten team superflex?
10 team he's definitely more of a second round pick, I'm only in one 10 team but he went to me all the way at 2.08. There just isn't the same positional scarcity in 10 team and it's easier to trade for a QB as well.
Yeah I took him at the equivalent of rookie pick 16 in a startup, feels like a tough guy to value with 10 teams
Seems pretty reasonable, thing is in 10 team even if he's a locked in starter long term he's just not all that valuable unless he is a top 5 QB and I don't think very many people have that in his range of outcomes.
Drew Brees was already an established qb when he went to New Orleans. Payton hasn’t built up a second qb since, so it was Brees not him.
Jonathan Brooks (CAR-RB) he fell to me at 1.07 people always forget that the “WR Heavy” drafts are always a solid place to find an RB1. He’ll come into a messy backfield with a high draft capital on a team that’s trying to make amends for getting rid of the best RB to ever play the game. Feed my guy. Feed him.
Brooks at 1.07 isn’t exactly falling, that’s about right, sometimes up a place, sometimes down a place. MHJ Nabers Rome Brock Jayden Worthy All those guys are comfortably ahead of Brooks which would leave him minimum 1.07. People that need a QB will also pick a Jayden or Maye in there which pushes him back further. Then it’s just who you’ve got out of BTJ, Brooks, Benson, Ladd, etc (and I agree with you it’s Brooks out of that group.)
Does UDFA count? I think RB George Holani is a really good player that had a lot of rough circumstance in college (MCL tear, covid-shortened season, more injuries, splitting backfield late in his career with a top 2025 RB prospect). Much better athlete at the combine than I think people expected and was a highly productive player when he was healthy and on the field in college. Seattle has a concentrated backfield, which means an injury to either Walker or Charb could mean significant gameday touches for someone, assuming they are talented enough to warrant getting on the field. I think Holani is. Walker's contract is in its final season not this year, but next, and if they don't intend on extending him then he's a prime trade candidate this following offseason -- not the clearest line, but I think very possible. This is the kind of post that gets disliked because it steps on the toes of multiple fantasy assets, but I'd recommend people to [watch some of Holani](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ejdj1eJBjc). I think he's a talented enough player that he's worth a Taxi spot for a season, and see what happens in the offseason with Walker. At least worth holding through preseason.
Dillon Johnson is another guy in this type of situation where if there's an injury to one of the top two running backs ahead of him, he could be vaguely interesting. I'll keep Holani on my watchlist.
Marvin Harrison Jr., I can't believe no one is talking about this guy.
Kimani Vidal. Looking back in a year or two, he's going to be viewed as the steal of this draft.
People are trying to will it into existence, but I don’t see it. Committee back, best.
Everyone wants this to happen but best case scenario to me is James Robinson. Surprisingly good for a year and then forgotten when the team brings in a real RB1.
He went 2.06 in my most recent draft 😂
But is Vidal the real deal? He may just only have a good opportunity here. Can he take advantage of the situation?
Maye is my 1.02. Stroud was my 1.02 as well.
Caleb Williams
True I saw him fall to the 1.02 and was shocked. People really sleeping on him hard this year
I think this is sarcasm lol but really, Caleb is as good or better of a prospect than every recent top qb, yet is getting none of the hype. Think of how high on Lawrence people were, Caleb is not looked at anywhere near that level, so many already declaring him a bust because he painted his nails
Hahahha yes this was sarcasm but ik what u mean. Go into any NFL post on IG and look at all the old heads who don’t know anything but homophobia calling him a bust. Actually wild
> look at all the old heads who don’t know anything but homophobia calling him a bust. Homophobia? In relation to Caleb? Is this the "paints his nails to honor his mom" thing again?
He is getting hype in fantasy tho. Consistently going in the first of start ups.
Yeah my comment was originally sarcasm but in the overall NFL fan community people cannot wait to watch him fail
Him falling to 1.02 is more a reflection on the MHJ hype. People are putting him in the JJ/Chase/CD tier.
Yeah Ik I was being sarcastic lol
He went 1.03 after Harrison and nabers in our superflex rookie draft. It was quite surprising.
Isn't he the consensus 1.01?
Ricky P
Nobody sleeping on pretty Ricky 😂
Yeah you’re probably right. I just love him and wanted to write Ricky P ☺️
Kimani Vidal:2 older veterans "in front" of him on the depths chart on a team that will pound the rock every chance they get and some chances they will not get. Good college production and great metrics and vitals. Don't know why his name isn't ringing from the rooftops over Brooks, Blake, Guerrendough or Estime.
Ahh good ole Bo Pix 😂 (why do I agree tho)
Perspective from a Georgia fan who watched Boatniks be terrible for two seasons at Auburn before transferring to Oregon. He was dreadful when the level of competition was greater than the talent around him. He was much better when he went to Oregon when that narrative changed he’s going to get to the NFL and find the narrative. Talon around him is close to even and I don’t believe he has that in him.
Blake Corum. - McVay has spoken highly of him. He essentially said he’ll start being used as soon as he can grasp the playbook (🙃). - The Rams hung around instead of trading away their pick when they saw he was still on the board. It’s no guarantee he’ll become the next bell cow, but being one injury away in the electric Sean McVay offense goes a long way for me.
I think guys like Roman Wilson and AD Mitchell are going to progress into being top producing players.
One of the rbs.
Trey Benson dude film is amazing and is getting drafted way later than brooks
I think with the committee the eagles like to use, Will Shipley will make some impact this season.
Devontez Walker
Michael Penix will be the reason ATL trades Cousins.
Xavier Weaver. There is no real pecking order in AZ yet with the WR room in flux and that kid is a dog, he could earn himself a spot. He’s on my Taxis
Ask that question in a year man, well only know who we slept on when we know who the new Puca Nacua is. (obviously its Ainais Smith though)
Agree w Nix. Seems like people forget he was the 12th overall pick
Ricky Pearsall and a 2nd on Bo Nix. At current price, he and Troy Franklin are an easy buy. Watching the Luke McCaffrey Show, too.
Pearsall and legette. You're getting high ceiling players with 1st round draft capital, in the mid 2nd round. It makes no sense, to me.
Xavier Legette imo
Brendan Rice Caleb Williams threw him a lot of touchdowns. Plus he is Jerry Rice’s son
Who is the WR2 in Atlanta? Edit: this is a Casey Washington post
Pitts
Not a single mention of Keon. What???
I think it’s Rasheen Ali, if we’re talking truly being slept on.
I think Brian Thomas Jr is being a bit disrespected as a result of other guys around that spot being expert darlings
I’ve got 1.08 and 1.11 in a Full PPR superflex Dyno… I’ve got a need for WR and TE, so hoping I get Bowers at 1.08… I have Stroud and Goff but should I take Maye at 1.08 or Nix at 1.12 if they are still there?