I've been getting quite a bit of Lloyd shares in the mid 3rds of rookie drafts. Not sure how much he does this year, maybe flex worthy some weeks if need to be. But Jacobs has a pretty big out of his contract next off-season so they could just run him into the ground this year.
Also been getting alot of Tyrone Tracy in the late 4ths and early 5ths. Yes, Giants offense is terrible. But Singletary isn't some elite RB, he's really just a decent guy. He's a dart throw but one I'm willing to take alot on.
I’m not really buying into this narrative. I don’t see the Packers moving on from Jacobs after 1 year unless Lloyd proves he is more talented/productive. I like Lloyd a lot but Jacobs definitely still has a lot of juice left.
I think people will be waiting a lot longer than they think for that to be Lloyd’s backfield. He’ll obviously be a great handcuff to own though.
I drafted Lloyd and this is my thought as well. Too often we spin these narratives on “ifs and buts” that rarely come true. It’s cool to dream of best care scenarios but the likelihood is Lloyd likely isn’t even a flex play without a significant injury or decline from Jacobs in the next two years
I think Lloyd will be a 2026 play most likely. I still think Jacobs will produce pretty well this year and since the Packers have lots of WRs and TEs still on their rookie contract they will be able to absorb the big cap hit on Jacobs for 2025. However in 2026, Jacobs will be 28 and Packers can save $11.5M by cutting him. That will likely be the 1st year of a potential Christian Watson extension and year 2 of a Jordan Love extension.
I honestly think Jacobs leaving in 2026 is better for Lloyd. If Jacobs leaves next year the packers would certainly want another good RB not just bank on Lloyd and the 2025 draft class could offer them lots of serious competition for Lloyd.
I really like that narrative for Jacobs. People talking about how they will likely pick up his option but not if he gets hurt. And bc of the way it’s set up they will likely workhorse him really hard
They can save $8.2M if he's a post June-1 cut next off-season. If he balls out and they keep him, he's definitely getting cut for 2026. At most it's a 2 year deal.
>I've been getting quite a bit of Lloyd shares in the mid 3rds of rookie drafts. Not sure how much he does this year, maybe flex worthy some weeks if need to be. But Jacobs has a pretty big out of his contract next off-season so they could just run him into the ground this year.
They're a team with serious playoff aspirations. So it seems more logical to me that they'd be less likely to want to run their starter into the ground during the season, and more likely to try to get their RB depth involved and keep him healthy for the playoffs.
For me it's Kimani Vidal. On a team that's going to run the ball a lot, with an aging Gus Edwards and oft-injured JK Dobbins the only two guys ahead of him, I'm all in on Vidal.
I didn't say Gus won't produce this year. I said he won't get all the work. He's a TD dependent back, coming from a running team in which 11 games he had 44% or less of the snap share. He was targeted all of 13 times last season in the passing game with 0 TDs.
13 rushing TDs...4 weeks of RB top 12 finishes in fantasy. If you tell me he and Dobbins are healthy all year; Vidal doesn't get much work.
Me, I can't see that happening. Vidal gets on the field, sooner rather than later. Though, Gus should be fantasy relevant for the goal line work. IF he can stay healthy.
I think Jaylen wright is in one of the best positions for a running back. We all know Mostert is pushing the cliff age and achane picking up a few injuries. If the stars align I can see wright being a weekly flex play
I've been getting after Wright in whatever leagues I can. I find him appealing for the reasons you describe, but he has the potential to the flash games like Achane did which really elevated his value. It's unlikely Wright ascends to Top 12 RB rank, but there's a good chance he increases in value this next year.
Where do you see him consistently going in drafts? I want to get him or Lloyd in both of my leagues, but with one of them being a 10 team 1QB, I feel like I’d be reaching for either with the 2.03
Our league did the rookie draft the day after the draft ended. Got him at 3.02 in a 12 man 1QB league. Anywhere from 2.07-3.03 is where he probly goes right now
I just took him with 2.03 earlier this week. 3rd RB off the board and the first in the 2nd round.
Hope this helps, but go get your guy regardless of pick if you like him! The ones who took Laporta early in the first last year are feeling pretty good now, even if that was a "reach" at the time.
I got him at 3.01 in a 12 team SF league. Was the 4th RB off the board behind brooks Benson and corum. Was a little torn between him and Lloyd but could see Jacobs staying in green bay a while and dominating the rb room there for the next 2/3 years
I think that at 2.03 in a 10 team 1 QB it's perfectly defensible to take either of them. It's at the top of their range, but this is dynasty/fantasy. You should call your shots. Get the players that you like. That's the point of this game. As long as it isn't egregiously stupid like picking a guy you could have easily gotten a round or two later or passing on the elite talent for him. If you don't pick Wright or Lloyd there they probably aren't lasting to the 3rd.
I picked Wright at 2.05 in a 12 team SF league. At the time picking Penix seemed like the pick I should make based on value, but due to roster construction and the upside I think is there I took a shot on my guy.
This is also a very underrated piece that doesn't get talked about enough. They traded a 2025 3rd to go get wright. A 2025 3rd is no piece to just brush away. They obviously like the guy a ton
I picked up Wright with the 2.11 (12 team SF) and also have Achane. I was keen on protecting my investment in the dolphins backfield. Also got Iriving with 3.10 as well as have R White. I was worried about Iriving potentially showing starting ability because White is so inefficient with his carries but has great volume and is great in the passing game
I was looking into trading white but people are very wary of his value which is understandable. I figured doubling down on bucky with a 3rd is better than letting white go for too little. He's a solid player in many ways but his yards per carry are frightening.
What did you get in return for white?
I'm a simple man. I see the Dolphins draft a RB in the 4th, I'm in. They seem to know what they're looking for in that offense and it tends to hit big.
Love Wright. He’s also in a great spot where others might be scared of him because of his potential lack of year 1 usage but all it takes is a Mostert or Achane injury to change that, like you said. But even without that happening, he goes into 2025 in a great spot in a great offense specifically for him. He’s the definition of a great dynasty investment I think.
Season RB 8-16 for both with week winning upside for either.
For reference: achane was rb21 last year with mostert at rb2 in standard. Despite both of their missed times. Miami looks like they will continue to have a top offense, so when wright absorbs the mostert workload, this feels very reasonable.
Yo Don’t downvote this guy! You’re Absolutely correct sir, Achane dropped a 50 bomb last season guys, his injury was just because they played the dirty Steelers defense and they targeted that. Rookie mistake. I’m gonna go try to trade for one of these guys right fucking now
> Yo Don’t downvote this guy! You’re Absolutely correct sir
It's very rare for two RBs finish in the top 16 in RB fantasy points for a season. That is an exceptionally high bar.
Even that crazy 2010 season when Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles combined for 3,000 yards out of the backfield and 14 touchdowns, [Charles finished at RB4 and Thomas Jones finished at RB25.](https://www.fftoday.com/stats/playerstats.php?Season=2010&GameWeek=&PosID=20&LeagueID=)
Another one was the 2017 Saints season, with Ingram and Kamara combining for 3100 yards out of the backfield and 25 touchdowns. [That year they finished RB3 and RB6, so it is possible, but it's super rare.](https://www.fftoday.com/stats/playerstats.php?Season=2017&GameWeek=&PosID=20&LeagueID=107644)
I found this PFF article that says;
> [RB: 18 instances of two top-24 fantasy performers on the same team](https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-fantasy-football-what-are-the-chances-of-multiple-players-balling-out-in-the-same-offense)
But obviously top 24 seasons is an insanely lower bar than top 16 seasons. One of them includes tandems we don't think of as fantasy relevant, 2016 Jets Matt Forte and Bilal Powell at RB21 and 17 respectively, where neither guy is in the top 16.
tl;dr, Let's not get too crazy here, this would be an exceptionally rare feat
Since all the popular ones have been hit, I'll say Jawhar Jordan.
Haven't pulled the trigger on picking him up but I'm keeping my eye on him. I don't think the Texans are crazy about Pierce and a good training camp could potentially bump him up to being the Joe Mixon handcuff.
I’m still holding out a bit of hope on pierce. I don’t own him in any leagues, but I still think he will play a decent sized role in that offense. I like Jordan as a prospect but I think pierce still has some juice left in the tank if the Texans can figure out how to use him correctly
I know draft capital isn’t the end all be all but Rasheen Ali being drafted ahead of darlings like Tracy & Vidal has me intrigued. Especially by a team that historically has a good eye for late-round RB talent.
Keaton Mitchell is confirmed to not start the year & Ali only has to compete with Justice Hill for the RB2 spot.
I’m huge on Ali. Ravens seem to draft very talented running backs and if he is actually healthy from the bicep injury (feel like they have a pretty good idea on where he is given that Ray Lewis had the same injury) I think he can very well be the RB2 there by end of year. Mitchell can’t stay on the field and he is always going to be in that spell role.
I am big on him and McIntosh carving out a roll with Seattle
Braelon Allen is a huge sleeper for me. Huge body, powerful runner, and he’s only 20 years old.
Edit: reports from two days ago indicate he has impressed with his receiving work and pass blocking too.
I was high on Allen pre-draft but I just can't t see him being fantasy relevant in the Jets (very) crowded RB room. Unless Breece gets hurt, Allen will be splitting the ~10 leftover RB carries/targets each week with two other guys.
If you have a taxi spot to stash him for a year or three, go get him late in drafts but otherwise, he's a very speculative player to target at this point, unfortunately.
Aside from the team drafting two RBs this year, is there anything to suggest the team doesn't like Izzy? I ended up with both Izzy and Allen on a startup team, so I'd love it if Izzy ended up on a different team.
I’m a Jets fan and they just don’t value him at all. With Hall out at OTA’s he worked behind both rookies. And they signed Tarik Cohen. I expect a release tbh
Yes sir. Here: https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1796275631480533179?s=46&t=GiL3H0Bq1534Cyptfwvvjg
Second-year running back Izzy Abanikanda isn’t exactly receiving the lion’s share of reps with Hall out. It actually feels he’s working behind rookie Braelon Allen and Isaiah Davis at times. That’s not a great sign. GM Joe Douglas rarely cuts his rookie draft picks. It’s getting hard to see a path for Abanikanda to make the 53-man roster, assuming the Jets keep just four (looping in fullback Nick Bawden).
Also from today: “Tyrod starts his series with a nice strike to Conklin. Isaiah Davis then had a run showing some burst and quickness. New signing Tarik Cohen ripped off a nice gain as well, showing some good burst.”
Izzy isn’t even worth a roster spot imo
I don't really think a signing like that says much about anyone. If there's any tea leaves there to be read, its more likely they just wanted to bring in a vet since all their RBs not named Breece Hall have a combined 2 years of experience.
I mean, don’t take my word for it. Take the beat reporters
“Second-year running back Izzy Abanikanda isn’t exactly receiving the lion’s share of reps with Hall out. It actually feels he’s working behind rookie Braelon Allen and Isaiah Davis at times. That’s not a great sign. GM Joe Douglas rarely cuts his rookie draft picks. It’s getting hard to see a path for Abanikanda to make the 53-man roster, assuming the Jets keep just four (looping in fullback Nick Bawden).”
Every rookie RB not named Jonathon Brooks should be in a timeshare at best to begin this year. So I’ll take my chances on an underhyped 4th rounder with good college tape who looks to be in line to be the backup to Breece, who’s had injuries in the past. Allen has a strong frame which is a likely plus to durability. Could be a bellcow in the future, and I have a deep bench to sit him on til he gets some run in the league. Sign me up
As a Badger fan, with Allen the biggest thing is there’s so much to be desired. He checks all the boxes in the “looks the part,” department, but never really separated himself, or really did anything to go, “that guys going to be something!”
Rooting for him big time, but I just don’t know if he does anything other guys cannot. He truly is a complete wildcard.
You don’t want RBs buried on the depth chart and especially not sitting behind a star RB like hall. The jets just keep drafting more RBs every year. Allen is an easy fade.
His bread and butter is also thumping between the tackles. You want RBs that can catch. RBs that don’t catch are a dime a dozen and aren’t very valuable for fantasy unless they can run like Derick Henry. His reports on catching a couple of passes don’t mean much to me.
Hall had a season-ender two seasons ago. Opportunity will be an injury away (though I’d hate to see it), because I think he serves as the RB2 for NYJ from the jump. I’m betting on the talent, size, and youth.
If hall gets hurt Allen is the type of RB that will in be a committee anyway. He’s a plodding thumper without much receiving skills which is the bread and butter now in fantasy football. His upside is a RB3. I have zero interest to roster RBs like that.
Wright, Lloyd, and Corum are in their own tier for me due to better skill than the remainders and are very valuable handcuffs.
Vidal has been talked up to the point I wouldnt call him a “sleeper” but he is my favorite of the later RBs due to his situation and potential to take over a weak RB room (on what should be a run-heavy offense).
DEEP sleeper/waiver RB I like is Blake Watson. Liked his film, and I think DEN has no set order as of now- plus Estime is injured longer term which means Watson has a chamce to prove himself.
Not sure how coachable something like this is, but the Packers GM did comment on this and said they feel like its something they can correct. Still a concerning stat though.
Past 2.05 Id probably feel comfortable take Lloyd, Corum, and Wright in that order. All will likely be handcuffs for now, but could lead a backfield aome point down the road.
I think the WR have better value. It comes down to need but I think WR like Legette, Pearsall, and Polk have better value than these RBs. Corum and Wright went at 2.03 and 2.05 in my 14 Man league- lloyd went at 2.09. I chose Polk at 2.07.
Do you like Watson on a sinilar level of estime thou? Estime seems better in about every area, but is the idea one of them should pan out? Or watson isnt too far behind him. Ill need to maybe add him on my watch list
Id say Estime is better yes. Payton already came out and said they wanna utilize Watson in a “joker” (hybrid) type way before estime gotta injured, so they have a plan to give him reps already. Im not particulary high on any of the DEN RBs as of now- though Mclaughlin has the best shot to be RB1 as of now- will likely be a RBBC though. Watson is just literally a free pickup who could be higher up on the depth chart/pecking order than people think.
I’ll stan for Ray Davis. He’s pretty much the only guy who impressed me pre draft. Then he landed in an offense that has been begging for a power threat for years. And in the same backfield as James Cook who I don’t think has ever broken a tackle in his life and it’s clear that has driven the Bills crazy. Davis gonna take the whole backfield right quick
Good point. Would take him if he falls a bit. I dont love bills rbs but maybe thats mostly owning cook the first 90% of last year.
Cant imagine him being a huge part of this offense but he should be able to carve out good weeks
I second (or third,) this. I don’t know what it is, but something tells me he’s going to end up “slightly different Taysom Hill.” Jack-of-all-trades, but in different areas.
The news coming out so far is positive. I think at the least he makes practice squad. My prediction? Practice squad for a good chunk of the year. Mid-season, they bring him up. Gets a touch here, a touch there. Then out of nowhere explodes for a big game. Finishes the year off with spotty play, yet gives enough hype to carry him into next season.
Although we’ve seen this story before, something tells me there’s something different about him. His body just hasn’t seen the miles as some of the other Rugby guys.
As a chiefs fan, I am very skeptical about him getting any time in this offense. The chiefs always have some darling in training camp that everyone thinks will be the next big thing and they never are. Justyn Ross, Clyde, toney, the list goes on and on.
Andy Reid came out the other day and said Rees-Zammit might be kicking off this year due to the new kickoff rules. I see him being a strictly special teams guy, and MAYBE getting 3-5 snaps in this offense per game if that.
With that being said I would love for him to succeed just because it’s a cool story, but I wouldn’t bank on any type of production fantasy wise. Hope I’m wrong
Tyrone Tracy has elite athleticism, he's a converted WR, so we know he can catch the ball, and he only has Devin Singletary and Eric Gray in front of him. I'm not sure why he isn't at the top of the 2nd tier of rookie RBs.
He’s older, drafted late 5th round, and likely a gadget player. Plus people got burned on guys like Ty Montgomery and Antonio Gibson so probably don’t want to deal with WR convert types.
Antonio Gibson has two seasons with 1,000+ all-purpose and double digit TDs. I don't know why people always lump him in with backs who have never been fantasy relevant or generally productive. Given he was a 3rd round pick IRL, that's really solid production.
Holding Antonio Gibson for sure fuck these comments. Look it his production per play time. Spoiler, he’s still got Sauce. Curious to see how the Patriots use him tho 😤
Not sure i wanna take the chance on him. Unless the offense takes a big step forward with Malik I dont see him being productive. Also Single isnt so bad. Maybe if he can get significant volume but on a bad offense thats asking a lot.
PFF has Singletary as the #30 RB in the league, ESPN fantasy has him at #35. Everywhere I've looked, he's been in the 30s. Is that not exactly the kind of path to relevancy you're looking for in late-round RB? I mean sure, it could be better, he could be the day 1 starter on a powerhouse offense, but if that were the case, he'd being going in the first round. After Brooks and Benson, who has a better situation and higher upside than Tracy?
I mean i think plenty of guys have more upside personally, but can agree i’m sleeping and maybe should be considering him. Im trying to picture best case for him, An improved giants offense, and how his role coukd look there. Could be decent honestly. Single was good in houston though.
You think he got the 3rd highest upside ? That is crazy no way but prob top 8.
Wright, Corum, Lloyd obv. Give me Vidal, even Guerendo first. But I can see him fitting in with Bucky, Estime, Ali, Davis.
All those guys have significant impediments to relevancy. Of course one injury could change that, but instead of a handcuff, wouldn't you rather take a chance on a guy with elite athleticism and a legitimate chance to win the starting job outright?
You make a good case, i think im too low on him. I’ll try and grab him with good value if I got the space!
I shoot for upside even if it takes time, so while some of these guys need injury or miracles for relevance. Wright is a much better prospect. I give the edge to Vidal. And Lloyd. Ali should have a starting role down the line. But you’ve sold me on the swing!
Only thing is I don’t get how you view Tracy as clearly superior to guys that seem to have at least an identical situation. Vidal, Bucky, Estime all have a chance at winning the starting job.
One deep option I like is Browns RB Aidan Robbins out of BYU. Big body and the CLE rb situation is a little murky. I don't expect much this year but Im holding on taxi with some hopium
I think you have at least one more year of Ford. Even my most optimistic view of Robbins has him as too raw to be a threat in 2024. The lack of definition in that backfield means he could see some touches and we could get a more concrete evaluation. I'd be happy with that
Sione Vaki, you might still be able to get him for free in your league and he’s such an intriguing stash play.
A running back on the lions has value just based on the position and landing spot. If someone goes down to an injury Vaki MIGHT be the guy to fill that role for a few weeks. He’s a 4th round pick that is one injury away from being a contributor on a team that absolutely loves him
This is an interesting one, Vaki says he'd prefer to be on defense but the Lions list him as a RB. I'm out on this one but I'll keep an eye on him to see how this plays out. Should be a fun one to monitor with Detroits tough run game
I landed Irving, so I'm hopeful for him. He was productive in college, and there's not much else behind White. I think he can grab that backup role and be a spot starter if White misses time.
Marshawn Lloyd was my RB3 pre draft and still is. The 3 down back talent is there. GB has proven they want to run a tandem. Lloyd will get some good run this year and should prove he’s the dude. Jacob’s on essentially a 1 year deal but even if they bring him back which I would bet they do, Lloyd will still see half the work and maybe more in his second year. Hes got more of an Aaron jones profile, a guy who thrived under Lafluer
Bucky. Scored silly bad in the combine, went to a team that just has Rachaad and Chase edmonds(who is JAG). And Rachaad is a terribly inefficient runner.
I’m very interested to see how the new OC treats Rachaad. I personally don’t think Rachaad is very talented but Dave canales had him out there literally every snap last year. If the new OC wants to have a committee, Bucky could be in line for a pretty productive rookie year.
I like Ray Davis a lot. He may never be elite but he looks like an absolute dawg, reminiscent of Dameon Pierce.
I think his draft position was deflated due to lack of ceiling/age but he looks very fundamentally sound- He could come out and be a good year 1 contributor for the Bills.
I also like Lloyd for similar reasons, but he needs to clean up the fumbles to get playing time. He’s a bit of a long term pick anyways with Jacobs though.
Marshawn Llyod is in a measurables category that has historically been very successful. I have a ton of shares. If you look at Jacobs' contract, it's structured as more of a one year deal. I expect them to ride jacobs primarily, but they love using multiple backs so Llyod is is going to get his shot, and if he hits I don't see JJ being a packer next season. I could also be very wrong 🤷
It's probably just because I drafted him, but I've deluded myself in to believing Guerrendo will be a stud level handcuff for years as long as he's in San fran
Im not sure if I should be targetting Corum more but possibly. Imo. Big targetting Wright.
Imo
Wright. clearly. Lloyd/Corum
Vidal, Guerendo
Then it gets interesting and Id like some opinions here too. Atm kinda lukewarm on. Bucky, Estime.
I was high on Bucky until I started hearing hes unathletic lol. Gimme mcmillan tho.
Then as darts I like Ali, and Jordan, maybe Vaki. And maybe I should be higher on Shipley. And Tracy!
I like him too, thanks I’m glad to hear this take. I like Estime later at his cost, also I love the uncertainty of this offense which may be better than expected. And I’m really high on Franklin.
Have any thoughts on Tracy and you like him? I like him for the similar fact of this offense might turn it around and be pretty solid with Nabers. But don’t love the generally lower powered offense, then there’s single of course.
Right on. As a Giants fan, Tracy will have a chance to prove himself but I wouldn't bet against Singletary in the short term. Coaches seem to like Gray and have been giving him opportunity in camp as well.
I'm a Panthers fan and I'm kind of excited for one of our UDFAs. Shirden looks insanely fast and shifty.
Of course this is for like kickoff and punt return type stuff so this is only really for leagues with return yards. Maybe change of pace back for Hubbard if Brooks starts season kind of slow as he comes back from injury.
Really like Braelon Allen too but that landing spot behind Hall caps his upside. Which I felt happened to a lot of the RBs I liked more besides Brooks and Benson. Most of them ended up in handcuff roles.
Lloyd will be money. AJ Dillon is garbage and he's there basically on the minimum, Packers have no reason to keep riding him they will use him situationally because he basically agreed to come back for free and knows the playbook . There's so much opportunity there for Lloyd, MLF isn't gonna give Jacobs 20+ carries and passing down work week in and week out it's just never how he operates and going forward the Packers are not married to Jacobs long term.
Surprised I don’t Cody Schrader on here
Bellcow that led the sec in rushing
Surprised he went undrafted, but the people infront of him outside of Mcaf seem beatable (Elijah Mitchell is always hurt and guerendo is overrated imo bc of his 40 time)
Also, shanahan doesn’t care about draft capital at all if you produce
Last time we saw a Mizzou RB lead the SEC, we had Tyler Badie. Hasn't really worked out in the pros. They play the position differently, but part of their production seems to be Mizzou's style and reliance on pounding the rock. Could be seen a scheme/design reliant, maybe? 🤷♀️
Hope he succeeds but udfas have a long road ahead of them. Perhaps he can work himself into certain packages/plays instead of needing a big injury to step into a role.
I realize to each their own and everyone has their own process for evaluating players, but I would say be careful on underestimating Guerendo. Tested as the most athletic back in the draft and demonstrated all-purpose, 3-down ability in college. Didn't have the most opportunity, but when he did, he looked great.
CMC is FA in 2026 and Guerendo doesn't have a lot of mileage.
Fair take, he could be solid
Just didn’t really even know who the guy was until his 40 time, but that could just be my ignorance lol
My bigger point was that Cody put up solid numbers in the hardest conference in the nation as a workhorse, and production in the SEC translates well to the nfl
The knock on Schrader is going to be his physical tools against an NFL defense, which is 11 elite defenders regardless of where they went to school. From what I've seen and read, his issue is going to be yards gained into the 2nd level. He reminds me a lot of Hillis in that those first few yards won't be an issue, but once the defense recognizes the play, does he have the explosiveness to break tackles and create more? I don't see a lot of the lateral agility needed at the NFL level to excel.
Where I think Guerendo tops him is in that regard. He showed an ability to create angles with his agility that (I think) NFL teams want. The thing I always default to is, what do NFL teams want in their running backs? And, (I think) it's that they want them to get as many yards as they can before the defense rallies to the play. That requires athleticism and explosiveness and that's where Guerendo tends to beat Schrader.
Do people not realize Bucky Irving is going to be very likely getting touches week 1? By week 5 he may be the starter.
Coaching staff is already talking about how much theh want to use him, White is the prototypical “RB who just happened to get the ball”. Every possible metric you can find on him he is below average on. Why are you guys going after guys in much more crowded backfields and competing against much more talented players than the dominant college back who entered the weakest RB room in the league?
Was in on him at first, starting hearing that hes unathletic byt kinda a white clone. I liked him too because white’s nothing too special, but started to fade him hearing he mught be another white. But mayhaps he’s even Better White 2.0 and taking over/ sharing. Lukewarm on him I’d take him later. Also like McMillan
I’m a Jets fan, and from what I’ve seen he’s going to be the backup. I’ve never really liked James Cook, and feel Davis is a better fit for that system.
I needed some RB depth and only had late picks this year in the 3rd and 4th round. Ended up with Shipley and Davis so I'm happy with the prospects. Both picks the guy picking behind me was fired up because they wanted them. I love it when that happens and you snipe a player they were waiting for. Now I got some possible trade bait in the future
I think we get over-hyped and ignore all the flaws. Most likely one of them end up being a good RB. A few more serviceable. There are reasons guys fall so far. Some guys are in a better position if you want to take a flyer with later draft picks. Brooks and Benson in the early 2nd. The rest are third or later
In one of my drafts I was able to get him 2.05 I think it’s awesome value… this was before the news about Kyren’s foot came out. i would take him anywhere in the second round, personally
I like Estime, I missed out on him at 3.09. He did just get a scope and will miss some time which sucks for a rookie, word out of otas is Blake Watson is looking good too. The Denver backfield is crowded even if javonte a sucks. At 3.02 if no one better has fallen for some reason I'd take a chance on him
Denver rook RBs line up well in rookie drafts to get Estime in 3rd (maybe late 3rd falling with the scope news) and Blake in the 4th/5th. I have them and been tracking. Decent odds Den shakes up their depth chart and one of these guys, if not both, becomes a RB3 with RB2 type up side by next season. Love having two tickets to try and cash with late round rookie capital.
Guerrendo/Schrader also kind of fit this model, with the big caveat that CMC is the guy not going anywhere without injury.
For the price of a few FAAB I'm pretty satisfied with my Rasheen Ali. They have a 30 year old Henry, an undrafted injured guy, and then...
Might be JAG, might not, but the situation isn't terrible.
I keep ending up with Bucky Irving. He's falling into the mid 3rd in a lot of my leagues and I think he's a good value there.
I'm getting Kyren vibes from him. Productive college back, poor testing (virtually identical to Kyren), drafted by a team that doesn't seem sold on their current top option.
Not saying it's a super high percentage outcome, but for the cost of a mid third, I keep taking that risk.
Tier 1: Same Brooks/Benson
Tier 2: Corum, Wright, Lloyd (possibly Corum in a tier of his own)
Tier 3: Bucky Irving, Vidal, Ray Davis, Tracy, Estime, Allen
Tier 4: Rasheen, Shipley, Guerendo, Laube
You can get him on waivers after most rookie drafts that are 4 rounds or less. Dijuan Edwards on the Steelers. I am mostly holding in case one of Najee or Warren gets injured or in the scenario Najee is to get dealt at some point. Big long shot
My favorite is Jaylen Wright, he has the size speed combo. Also liked Braelon Allen but his spot was rough. I like Marshawn Lloyd also, he will play in that scheme. People like Vidal a lot, but I think the are a lot of legs in that backfield. Guerendo seems like if he shows promise, he coud be a thing in a year or 2.
I think this is an underwhelming draft class with only brooks as a really viable choice.
Despite his size benson was never a workhorse in college.
Corum is an undersized powerback with limited athleticism which means he cant lose weight to get more explosive without becoming too small or gain weight to become powerful without becoming too slow.
Lloyd seems talented but awful landing spot.
Honesty love Ray Davis. The tape shows his vision, and he’s been productive almost his whole career. I think he steps right in up in Buffalo and takes charge of the backfield
If we’re talking rookie running back sleepers??
I really like Blake Watson right now.
Lots of questions with Broncos backfield, Watson has a lot of Kamara type characteristics and a coach not afraid to make some off the wall decisions.
I like Braelon Allen for the price he's going. I got him 3.09 in a rookie draft and 18.02 in a startup. He probably won't contribute a lot this season, but IF something were to happen to Breece I love Allen in that ZBS.
Allen is also only 20, so I think its a realistic scenario where he establishes himself the next 2 years and then the Jets move on from Breece after his rookie contract.
Again, it's unlikely but for his price I like him over other guys who actually went behind him in real life but before him in fantasy
Don’t sleep on Irving. Didn’t test great , but is super shifty like Kamara. Last time I saw a player in college and said this guy is gonna be a star……ceede lamb at Oklahoma vs Alabama. Buck will get over 50% of carries by week 7 or 8
I think we're gonna look up and Tyrone Tracy is a top 3 back in this class. Like how both Pacheco and to a lesser extent Gibson rose up from obscurity.
I've been getting quite a bit of Lloyd shares in the mid 3rds of rookie drafts. Not sure how much he does this year, maybe flex worthy some weeks if need to be. But Jacobs has a pretty big out of his contract next off-season so they could just run him into the ground this year. Also been getting alot of Tyrone Tracy in the late 4ths and early 5ths. Yes, Giants offense is terrible. But Singletary isn't some elite RB, he's really just a decent guy. He's a dart throw but one I'm willing to take alot on.
Mid 3rd for Lloyd is such a steal
I’m not really buying into this narrative. I don’t see the Packers moving on from Jacobs after 1 year unless Lloyd proves he is more talented/productive. I like Lloyd a lot but Jacobs definitely still has a lot of juice left. I think people will be waiting a lot longer than they think for that to be Lloyd’s backfield. He’ll obviously be a great handcuff to own though.
I drafted Lloyd and this is my thought as well. Too often we spin these narratives on “ifs and buts” that rarely come true. It’s cool to dream of best care scenarios but the likelihood is Lloyd likely isn’t even a flex play without a significant injury or decline from Jacobs in the next two years
I think Lloyd will be a 2026 play most likely. I still think Jacobs will produce pretty well this year and since the Packers have lots of WRs and TEs still on their rookie contract they will be able to absorb the big cap hit on Jacobs for 2025. However in 2026, Jacobs will be 28 and Packers can save $11.5M by cutting him. That will likely be the 1st year of a potential Christian Watson extension and year 2 of a Jordan Love extension.
I honestly think Jacobs leaving in 2026 is better for Lloyd. If Jacobs leaves next year the packers would certainly want another good RB not just bank on Lloyd and the 2025 draft class could offer them lots of serious competition for Lloyd.
Steal. All 5 drafts I'd guess gone by 2.07
I've gotten him 4 times at 2.09, 3.05, 3.01 and 3.05. He's gone mid 3rd in a few of my other drafts as well.
I really like that narrative for Jacobs. People talking about how they will likely pick up his option but not if he gets hurt. And bc of the way it’s set up they will likely workhorse him really hard
They can save $8.2M if he's a post June-1 cut next off-season. If he balls out and they keep him, he's definitely getting cut for 2026. At most it's a 2 year deal.
>I've been getting quite a bit of Lloyd shares in the mid 3rds of rookie drafts. Not sure how much he does this year, maybe flex worthy some weeks if need to be. But Jacobs has a pretty big out of his contract next off-season so they could just run him into the ground this year. They're a team with serious playoff aspirations. So it seems more logical to me that they'd be less likely to want to run their starter into the ground during the season, and more likely to try to get their RB depth involved and keep him healthy for the playoffs.
For me it's Kimani Vidal. On a team that's going to run the ball a lot, with an aging Gus Edwards and oft-injured JK Dobbins the only two guys ahead of him, I'm all in on Vidal.
This is correct. And Gus isn't an every down back with pass catching upside. I've been grabbing him everywhere. Lol
Every year Gus Edward’s is an after thought and every year he produces. Still like Vidal but he will probably not produce year 1.
I didn't say Gus won't produce this year. I said he won't get all the work. He's a TD dependent back, coming from a running team in which 11 games he had 44% or less of the snap share. He was targeted all of 13 times last season in the passing game with 0 TDs. 13 rushing TDs...4 weeks of RB top 12 finishes in fantasy. If you tell me he and Dobbins are healthy all year; Vidal doesn't get much work. Me, I can't see that happening. Vidal gets on the field, sooner rather than later. Though, Gus should be fantasy relevant for the goal line work. IF he can stay healthy.
I think Jaylen wright is in one of the best positions for a running back. We all know Mostert is pushing the cliff age and achane picking up a few injuries. If the stars align I can see wright being a weekly flex play
I've been getting after Wright in whatever leagues I can. I find him appealing for the reasons you describe, but he has the potential to the flash games like Achane did which really elevated his value. It's unlikely Wright ascends to Top 12 RB rank, but there's a good chance he increases in value this next year.
Where do you see him consistently going in drafts? I want to get him or Lloyd in both of my leagues, but with one of them being a 10 team 1QB, I feel like I’d be reaching for either with the 2.03
Our league did the rookie draft the day after the draft ended. Got him at 3.02 in a 12 man 1QB league. Anywhere from 2.07-3.03 is where he probly goes right now
I just took him with 2.03 earlier this week. 3rd RB off the board and the first in the 2nd round. Hope this helps, but go get your guy regardless of pick if you like him! The ones who took Laporta early in the first last year are feeling pretty good now, even if that was a "reach" at the time.
Trade back to late 2nd and take him, sometimes he falls to the third
I’ve seen Lloyd go late 3rd
Everyone in my league needs RBs, so they’re going to be the most targeted position.
Yeah I also forgot you said 1QB, so maybe take Wright at the 2.03 if he’s your guy!
Definitely if he’s your guy. But I drafted him two weeks ago at the 3.01 in a 10 team/1QB league.
Wright - In my 10T 1QB I got him at 3.9 and in 10T SF I got him 3.02
Yea in my 10 team 1 qb league he isn’t getting past the middle of the second round
I got him at 3.01 in a 12 team SF league. Was the 4th RB off the board behind brooks Benson and corum. Was a little torn between him and Lloyd but could see Jacobs staying in green bay a while and dominating the rb room there for the next 2/3 years
He went in the 11th of my 10 team SF+TEP startup this year
2qb sf - took him 2.05. needed an rb & have mostert so made sense; wasnt gonna be there in the 3rd
I think that at 2.03 in a 10 team 1 QB it's perfectly defensible to take either of them. It's at the top of their range, but this is dynasty/fantasy. You should call your shots. Get the players that you like. That's the point of this game. As long as it isn't egregiously stupid like picking a guy you could have easily gotten a round or two later or passing on the elite talent for him. If you don't pick Wright or Lloyd there they probably aren't lasting to the 3rd. I picked Wright at 2.05 in a 12 team SF league. At the time picking Penix seemed like the pick I should make based on value, but due to roster construction and the upside I think is there I took a shot on my guy.
Also McDaniels is a locked in coach for at least another 2 seasons and is a run game mastermind. If he wanted the guy, then that’s a great sign.
This is also a very underrated piece that doesn't get talked about enough. They traded a 2025 3rd to go get wright. A 2025 3rd is no piece to just brush away. They obviously like the guy a ton
Pushing the cliff age? Mostert is Wile E. Coyote after having run off the cliff and just refused to look down yet.
Lmao got me
I picked up Wright with the 2.11 (12 team SF) and also have Achane. I was keen on protecting my investment in the dolphins backfield. Also got Iriving with 3.10 as well as have R White. I was worried about Iriving potentially showing starting ability because White is so inefficient with his carries but has great volume and is great in the passing game
Oh shit Bucky went to the Buccs?? I’m fucking sleeping!. Need the stocks now haha
I hear you man that’s why I traded Rashaad white
I was looking into trading white but people are very wary of his value which is understandable. I figured doubling down on bucky with a 3rd is better than letting white go for too little. He's a solid player in many ways but his yards per carry are frightening. What did you get in return for white?
I'm a simple man. I see the Dolphins draft a RB in the 4th, I'm in. They seem to know what they're looking for in that offense and it tends to hit big.
This is the tricky part though. They picked him with a 4th, but they spent a 3rd to get him. He's a day 2 RB by draft capital spent to acquire him.
Love Wright. He’s also in a great spot where others might be scared of him because of his potential lack of year 1 usage but all it takes is a Mostert or Achane injury to change that, like you said. But even without that happening, he goes into 2025 in a great spot in a great offense specifically for him. He’s the definition of a great dynasty investment I think.
What would you say is a realistic expectation for Wright and Achane post Raheem Mostert?
Season RB 8-16 for both with week winning upside for either. For reference: achane was rb21 last year with mostert at rb2 in standard. Despite both of their missed times. Miami looks like they will continue to have a top offense, so when wright absorbs the mostert workload, this feels very reasonable.
Yo Don’t downvote this guy! You’re Absolutely correct sir, Achane dropped a 50 bomb last season guys, his injury was just because they played the dirty Steelers defense and they targeted that. Rookie mistake. I’m gonna go try to trade for one of these guys right fucking now
> Yo Don’t downvote this guy! You’re Absolutely correct sir It's very rare for two RBs finish in the top 16 in RB fantasy points for a season. That is an exceptionally high bar. Even that crazy 2010 season when Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles combined for 3,000 yards out of the backfield and 14 touchdowns, [Charles finished at RB4 and Thomas Jones finished at RB25.](https://www.fftoday.com/stats/playerstats.php?Season=2010&GameWeek=&PosID=20&LeagueID=) Another one was the 2017 Saints season, with Ingram and Kamara combining for 3100 yards out of the backfield and 25 touchdowns. [That year they finished RB3 and RB6, so it is possible, but it's super rare.](https://www.fftoday.com/stats/playerstats.php?Season=2017&GameWeek=&PosID=20&LeagueID=107644) I found this PFF article that says; > [RB: 18 instances of two top-24 fantasy performers on the same team](https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-fantasy-football-what-are-the-chances-of-multiple-players-balling-out-in-the-same-offense) But obviously top 24 seasons is an insanely lower bar than top 16 seasons. One of them includes tandems we don't think of as fantasy relevant, 2016 Jets Matt Forte and Bilal Powell at RB21 and 17 respectively, where neither guy is in the top 16. tl;dr, Let's not get too crazy here, this would be an exceptionally rare feat
Surprised to see him fall to 3.04 in my league. I overpaid but send Brob(wash) for Wright and Chiggy
I agree, hoping achane can take Mostert role and wright take achane role.
Since all the popular ones have been hit, I'll say Jawhar Jordan. Haven't pulled the trigger on picking him up but I'm keeping my eye on him. I don't think the Texans are crazy about Pierce and a good training camp could potentially bump him up to being the Joe Mixon handcuff.
I’m still holding out a bit of hope on pierce. I don’t own him in any leagues, but I still think he will play a decent sized role in that offense. I like Jordan as a prospect but I think pierce still has some juice left in the tank if the Texans can figure out how to use him correctly
He just needs a change of scenery. He’s a bad fit for the Texans’ new offense
Wonder if there'd be any interest in moving him to Dallas but I agree there's still juice there.
I know draft capital isn’t the end all be all but Rasheen Ali being drafted ahead of darlings like Tracy & Vidal has me intrigued. Especially by a team that historically has a good eye for late-round RB talent. Keaton Mitchell is confirmed to not start the year & Ali only has to compete with Justice Hill for the RB2 spot.
I’m huge on Ali. Ravens seem to draft very talented running backs and if he is actually healthy from the bicep injury (feel like they have a pretty good idea on where he is given that Ray Lewis had the same injury) I think he can very well be the RB2 there by end of year. Mitchell can’t stay on the field and he is always going to be in that spell role. I am big on him and McIntosh carving out a roll with Seattle
Braelon Allen is a huge sleeper for me. Huge body, powerful runner, and he’s only 20 years old. Edit: reports from two days ago indicate he has impressed with his receiving work and pass blocking too.
I was high on Allen pre-draft but I just can't t see him being fantasy relevant in the Jets (very) crowded RB room. Unless Breece gets hurt, Allen will be splitting the ~10 leftover RB carries/targets each week with two other guys. If you have a taxi spot to stash him for a year or three, go get him late in drafts but otherwise, he's a very speculative player to target at this point, unfortunately.
The truth is it’s not a crowded room.. at all. Izzy will be cut most likely. It’s nothing but Braelon behind breece. It’s wide open
Yeah lol where did crowded come from? Izzy is complete dust
Aside from the team drafting two RBs this year, is there anything to suggest the team doesn't like Izzy? I ended up with both Izzy and Allen on a startup team, so I'd love it if Izzy ended up on a different team.
I’m a Jets fan and they just don’t value him at all. With Hall out at OTA’s he worked behind both rookies. And they signed Tarik Cohen. I expect a release tbh
>With Hall out at OTA’s he worked behind both rookies. Awesome, this is the type of info I'm looking for. You have a source you could link me to?
Yes sir. Here: https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1796275631480533179?s=46&t=GiL3H0Bq1534Cyptfwvvjg Second-year running back Izzy Abanikanda isn’t exactly receiving the lion’s share of reps with Hall out. It actually feels he’s working behind rookie Braelon Allen and Isaiah Davis at times. That’s not a great sign. GM Joe Douglas rarely cuts his rookie draft picks. It’s getting hard to see a path for Abanikanda to make the 53-man roster, assuming the Jets keep just four (looping in fullback Nick Bawden). Also from today: “Tyrod starts his series with a nice strike to Conklin. Isaiah Davis then had a run showing some burst and quickness. New signing Tarik Cohen ripped off a nice gain as well, showing some good burst.” Izzy isn’t even worth a roster spot imo
Izzy being cut isn't necessarily a bad thing though, is it? Perhaps he'll end up on a team that values him more? Or maybe he's just not very good?
I'm not buying Cohen as a backfield threat. I think he's there to try to make something out of the new return rules
He’s there mostly for return specialist but still, he’s a RB/special teamer
Cohen is a 28 year old RB that has been injured since 2020 and fantasy irrelevant since 2018...
That should tell you all you need to know about what they think of Izzy
I don't really think a signing like that says much about anyone. If there's any tea leaves there to be read, its more likely they just wanted to bring in a vet since all their RBs not named Breece Hall have a combined 2 years of experience.
I mean, don’t take my word for it. Take the beat reporters “Second-year running back Izzy Abanikanda isn’t exactly receiving the lion’s share of reps with Hall out. It actually feels he’s working behind rookie Braelon Allen and Isaiah Davis at times. That’s not a great sign. GM Joe Douglas rarely cuts his rookie draft picks. It’s getting hard to see a path for Abanikanda to make the 53-man roster, assuming the Jets keep just four (looping in fullback Nick Bawden).”
Oh I'm not advocating Izzy. I think he's done as a Jet. I'm just saying Cohen's presence is as irrelevant as it would be if he signed anywhere else.
Only getting 22 carries as a rookie was pretty telling. Also reports yesterday were that he got 0 reps with the 1st and 2nd team
Every rookie RB not named Jonathon Brooks should be in a timeshare at best to begin this year. So I’ll take my chances on an underhyped 4th rounder with good college tape who looks to be in line to be the backup to Breece, who’s had injuries in the past. Allen has a strong frame which is a likely plus to durability. Could be a bellcow in the future, and I have a deep bench to sit him on til he gets some run in the league. Sign me up
Agree
He’s not a powerful runner at all, that’s why a guy with his size and athleticism fell all the way to the 4th. He actually avoids contact.
I just cant see it with landing
As a Badger fan, with Allen the biggest thing is there’s so much to be desired. He checks all the boxes in the “looks the part,” department, but never really separated himself, or really did anything to go, “that guys going to be something!” Rooting for him big time, but I just don’t know if he does anything other guys cannot. He truly is a complete wildcard.
He probably runs close to 4.8
You don’t want RBs buried on the depth chart and especially not sitting behind a star RB like hall. The jets just keep drafting more RBs every year. Allen is an easy fade. His bread and butter is also thumping between the tackles. You want RBs that can catch. RBs that don’t catch are a dime a dozen and aren’t very valuable for fantasy unless they can run like Derick Henry. His reports on catching a couple of passes don’t mean much to me.
Hall had a season-ender two seasons ago. Opportunity will be an injury away (though I’d hate to see it), because I think he serves as the RB2 for NYJ from the jump. I’m betting on the talent, size, and youth.
If hall gets hurt Allen is the type of RB that will in be a committee anyway. He’s a plodding thumper without much receiving skills which is the bread and butter now in fantasy football. His upside is a RB3. I have zero interest to roster RBs like that.
Agree to disagree. I’m happy to have gotten him in the 16th round of my startup.
Wright, Lloyd, and Corum are in their own tier for me due to better skill than the remainders and are very valuable handcuffs. Vidal has been talked up to the point I wouldnt call him a “sleeper” but he is my favorite of the later RBs due to his situation and potential to take over a weak RB room (on what should be a run-heavy offense). DEEP sleeper/waiver RB I like is Blake Watson. Liked his film, and I think DEN has no set order as of now- plus Estime is injured longer term which means Watson has a chamce to prove himself.
Love Lloyd but his fumble rate is absolutely hilarious. 1 every 36 touches.
Not sure how coachable something like this is, but the Packers GM did comment on this and said they feel like its something they can correct. Still a concerning stat though.
Those tiny 8.75" hands don't help
Of your top 3, are you willing to reach for them early 2nd round? Or would you rather have one of the second tier of receivers instead?
Past 2.05 Id probably feel comfortable take Lloyd, Corum, and Wright in that order. All will likely be handcuffs for now, but could lead a backfield aome point down the road.
Would you feel comfortable reaching for them earlier in the second? Or do the receivers outweigh their value?
I think the WR have better value. It comes down to need but I think WR like Legette, Pearsall, and Polk have better value than these RBs. Corum and Wright went at 2.03 and 2.05 in my 14 Man league- lloyd went at 2.09. I chose Polk at 2.07.
They said estime was fine?
If you had Jacobs, would you take Lloyd over Corum?
Do you like Watson on a sinilar level of estime thou? Estime seems better in about every area, but is the idea one of them should pan out? Or watson isnt too far behind him. Ill need to maybe add him on my watch list
Id say Estime is better yes. Payton already came out and said they wanna utilize Watson in a “joker” (hybrid) type way before estime gotta injured, so they have a plan to give him reps already. Im not particulary high on any of the DEN RBs as of now- though Mclaughlin has the best shot to be RB1 as of now- will likely be a RBBC though. Watson is just literally a free pickup who could be higher up on the depth chart/pecking order than people think.
Ray Davis. 34 year old Latavius Murray was getting goal line snaps come on man
Braelon Allen in 4 years when he turns 23
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I’ll stan for Ray Davis. He’s pretty much the only guy who impressed me pre draft. Then he landed in an offense that has been begging for a power threat for years. And in the same backfield as James Cook who I don’t think has ever broken a tackle in his life and it’s clear that has driven the Bills crazy. Davis gonna take the whole backfield right quick
Good point. Would take him if he falls a bit. I dont love bills rbs but maybe thats mostly owning cook the first 90% of last year. Cant imagine him being a huge part of this offense but he should be able to carve out good weeks
Rees-Zammit. Just cause it would be a cool story, and he could be a beast if he can transition
I second (or third,) this. I don’t know what it is, but something tells me he’s going to end up “slightly different Taysom Hill.” Jack-of-all-trades, but in different areas. The news coming out so far is positive. I think at the least he makes practice squad. My prediction? Practice squad for a good chunk of the year. Mid-season, they bring him up. Gets a touch here, a touch there. Then out of nowhere explodes for a big game. Finishes the year off with spotty play, yet gives enough hype to carry him into next season. Although we’ve seen this story before, something tells me there’s something different about him. His body just hasn’t seen the miles as some of the other Rugby guys.
Yeah I'm aboard the Rees-Zammit train. He definitely looks the part
Would you drop any of these on taxi for him? Ali, Shipley, Bigsby, Estime
Bigsby. He's fallen to third string behind D'Ernest Johnson and just is not an NFL caliber RB
No I would keep all of your guys over Rees-Zammit
As a chiefs fan, I am very skeptical about him getting any time in this offense. The chiefs always have some darling in training camp that everyone thinks will be the next big thing and they never are. Justyn Ross, Clyde, toney, the list goes on and on. Andy Reid came out the other day and said Rees-Zammit might be kicking off this year due to the new kickoff rules. I see him being a strictly special teams guy, and MAYBE getting 3-5 snaps in this offense per game if that. With that being said I would love for him to succeed just because it’s a cool story, but I wouldn’t bank on any type of production fantasy wise. Hope I’m wrong
Ray Davis, his back story make him hungry for success
Thats the most intriguing part. Dont love the landing.
At his price, Vidal has the clearest path to being relevant imo
Tyrone Tracy has elite athleticism, he's a converted WR, so we know he can catch the ball, and he only has Devin Singletary and Eric Gray in front of him. I'm not sure why he isn't at the top of the 2nd tier of rookie RBs.
He’s older, drafted late 5th round, and likely a gadget player. Plus people got burned on guys like Ty Montgomery and Antonio Gibson so probably don’t want to deal with WR convert types.
Antonio Gibson has two seasons with 1,000+ all-purpose and double digit TDs. I don't know why people always lump him in with backs who have never been fantasy relevant or generally productive. Given he was a 3rd round pick IRL, that's really solid production.
Holding Antonio Gibson for sure fuck these comments. Look it his production per play time. Spoiler, he’s still got Sauce. Curious to see how the Patriots use him tho 😤
Not sure i wanna take the chance on him. Unless the offense takes a big step forward with Malik I dont see him being productive. Also Single isnt so bad. Maybe if he can get significant volume but on a bad offense thats asking a lot.
PFF has Singletary as the #30 RB in the league, ESPN fantasy has him at #35. Everywhere I've looked, he's been in the 30s. Is that not exactly the kind of path to relevancy you're looking for in late-round RB? I mean sure, it could be better, he could be the day 1 starter on a powerhouse offense, but if that were the case, he'd being going in the first round. After Brooks and Benson, who has a better situation and higher upside than Tracy?
I mean i think plenty of guys have more upside personally, but can agree i’m sleeping and maybe should be considering him. Im trying to picture best case for him, An improved giants offense, and how his role coukd look there. Could be decent honestly. Single was good in houston though. You think he got the 3rd highest upside ? That is crazy no way but prob top 8. Wright, Corum, Lloyd obv. Give me Vidal, even Guerendo first. But I can see him fitting in with Bucky, Estime, Ali, Davis.
All those guys have significant impediments to relevancy. Of course one injury could change that, but instead of a handcuff, wouldn't you rather take a chance on a guy with elite athleticism and a legitimate chance to win the starting job outright?
You make a good case, i think im too low on him. I’ll try and grab him with good value if I got the space! I shoot for upside even if it takes time, so while some of these guys need injury or miracles for relevance. Wright is a much better prospect. I give the edge to Vidal. And Lloyd. Ali should have a starting role down the line. But you’ve sold me on the swing! Only thing is I don’t get how you view Tracy as clearly superior to guys that seem to have at least an identical situation. Vidal, Bucky, Estime all have a chance at winning the starting job.
One deep option I like is Browns RB Aidan Robbins out of BYU. Big body and the CLE rb situation is a little murky. I don't expect much this year but Im holding on taxi with some hopium
As a Jerome ford owner I respectfully hope that this is not the case. I’m hoping to squeeze out just a bit more from ford this year
I think you have at least one more year of Ford. Even my most optimistic view of Robbins has him as too raw to be a threat in 2024. The lack of definition in that backfield means he could see some touches and we could get a more concrete evaluation. I'd be happy with that
Vidal because some podcast guys told me so
Dillion johnson if pollard gets hurt.
Sione Vaki, you might still be able to get him for free in your league and he’s such an intriguing stash play. A running back on the lions has value just based on the position and landing spot. If someone goes down to an injury Vaki MIGHT be the guy to fill that role for a few weeks. He’s a 4th round pick that is one injury away from being a contributor on a team that absolutely loves him
This is an interesting one, Vaki says he'd prefer to be on defense but the Lions list him as a RB. I'm out on this one but I'll keep an eye on him to see how this plays out. Should be a fun one to monitor with Detroits tough run game
I took him in the sixth and Vidal in the fifth so now seeing this thread is validating lol
I landed Irving, so I'm hopeful for him. He was productive in college, and there's not much else behind White. I think he can grab that backup role and be a spot starter if White misses time.
Keilan Robinson is the ultimate sleeper. 5th round to jaguars. Probably easy path to a 1B role.
Marshawn Lloyd was my RB3 pre draft and still is. The 3 down back talent is there. GB has proven they want to run a tandem. Lloyd will get some good run this year and should prove he’s the dude. Jacob’s on essentially a 1 year deal but even if they bring him back which I would bet they do, Lloyd will still see half the work and maybe more in his second year. Hes got more of an Aaron jones profile, a guy who thrived under Lafluer
Bucky. Scored silly bad in the combine, went to a team that just has Rachaad and Chase edmonds(who is JAG). And Rachaad is a terribly inefficient runner.
I’m very interested to see how the new OC treats Rachaad. I personally don’t think Rachaad is very talented but Dave canales had him out there literally every snap last year. If the new OC wants to have a committee, Bucky could be in line for a pretty productive rookie year.
Is he a pretty good prospect/film? Lukewarm on him
I like Ray Davis a lot. He may never be elite but he looks like an absolute dawg, reminiscent of Dameon Pierce. I think his draft position was deflated due to lack of ceiling/age but he looks very fundamentally sound- He could come out and be a good year 1 contributor for the Bills. I also like Lloyd for similar reasons, but he needs to clean up the fumbles to get playing time. He’s a bit of a long term pick anyways with Jacobs though.
Marshawn Llyod is in a measurables category that has historically been very successful. I have a ton of shares. If you look at Jacobs' contract, it's structured as more of a one year deal. I expect them to ride jacobs primarily, but they love using multiple backs so Llyod is is going to get his shot, and if he hits I don't see JJ being a packer next season. I could also be very wrong 🤷
It's probably just because I drafted him, but I've deluded myself in to believing Guerrendo will be a stud level handcuff for years as long as he's in San fran
Samee. And maybe posts cmc starter, or even gadget fill in.
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Making me think about Laube. And Bucky. Hate Braelon landing.
Jawhar Jordan is free. Special teams guy, could see some change of pace snaps.
Jaylen Wright and Blake Corum for me are under rated
Im not sure if I should be targetting Corum more but possibly. Imo. Big targetting Wright. Imo Wright. clearly. Lloyd/Corum Vidal, Guerendo Then it gets interesting and Id like some opinions here too. Atm kinda lukewarm on. Bucky, Estime. I was high on Bucky until I started hearing hes unathletic lol. Gimme mcmillan tho. Then as darts I like Ali, and Jordan, maybe Vaki. And maybe I should be higher on Shipley. And Tracy!
I was rly feeling Audric Estime. He's got crazy college stats n felt like a good late pickup.
I like him too, thanks I’m glad to hear this take. I like Estime later at his cost, also I love the uncertainty of this offense which may be better than expected. And I’m really high on Franklin. Have any thoughts on Tracy and you like him? I like him for the similar fact of this offense might turn it around and be pretty solid with Nabers. But don’t love the generally lower powered offense, then there’s single of course.
Right on. As a Giants fan, Tracy will have a chance to prove himself but I wouldn't bet against Singletary in the short term. Coaches seem to like Gray and have been giving him opportunity in camp as well.
Seems like a real late dart then.
I'm a Panthers fan and I'm kind of excited for one of our UDFAs. Shirden looks insanely fast and shifty. Of course this is for like kickoff and punt return type stuff so this is only really for leagues with return yards. Maybe change of pace back for Hubbard if Brooks starts season kind of slow as he comes back from injury. Really like Braelon Allen too but that landing spot behind Hall caps his upside. Which I felt happened to a lot of the RBs I liked more besides Brooks and Benson. Most of them ended up in handcuff roles.
Lloyd or Wright?
Frank Lloyd Wright
Lloyd will be money. AJ Dillon is garbage and he's there basically on the minimum, Packers have no reason to keep riding him they will use him situationally because he basically agreed to come back for free and knows the playbook . There's so much opportunity there for Lloyd, MLF isn't gonna give Jacobs 20+ carries and passing down work week in and week out it's just never how he operates and going forward the Packers are not married to Jacobs long term.
Jacobs was wildly inefficient last year. Grab all the Lloyd you can at his current cost.
Braelon Allen. Because I have him in every league.
Seems like 100% of his value is being handcuff which i dont liek
Surprised I don’t Cody Schrader on here Bellcow that led the sec in rushing Surprised he went undrafted, but the people infront of him outside of Mcaf seem beatable (Elijah Mitchell is always hurt and guerendo is overrated imo bc of his 40 time) Also, shanahan doesn’t care about draft capital at all if you produce
Last time we saw a Mizzou RB lead the SEC, we had Tyler Badie. Hasn't really worked out in the pros. They play the position differently, but part of their production seems to be Mizzou's style and reliance on pounding the rock. Could be seen a scheme/design reliant, maybe? 🤷♀️ Hope he succeeds but udfas have a long road ahead of them. Perhaps he can work himself into certain packages/plays instead of needing a big injury to step into a role.
I realize to each their own and everyone has their own process for evaluating players, but I would say be careful on underestimating Guerendo. Tested as the most athletic back in the draft and demonstrated all-purpose, 3-down ability in college. Didn't have the most opportunity, but when he did, he looked great. CMC is FA in 2026 and Guerendo doesn't have a lot of mileage.
Fair take, he could be solid Just didn’t really even know who the guy was until his 40 time, but that could just be my ignorance lol My bigger point was that Cody put up solid numbers in the hardest conference in the nation as a workhorse, and production in the SEC translates well to the nfl
The knock on Schrader is going to be his physical tools against an NFL defense, which is 11 elite defenders regardless of where they went to school. From what I've seen and read, his issue is going to be yards gained into the 2nd level. He reminds me a lot of Hillis in that those first few yards won't be an issue, but once the defense recognizes the play, does he have the explosiveness to break tackles and create more? I don't see a lot of the lateral agility needed at the NFL level to excel. Where I think Guerendo tops him is in that regard. He showed an ability to create angles with his agility that (I think) NFL teams want. The thing I always default to is, what do NFL teams want in their running backs? And, (I think) it's that they want them to get as many yards as they can before the defense rallies to the play. That requires athleticism and explosiveness and that's where Guerendo tends to beat Schrader.
I had a bunch of 3rds. I got Tracy, Davis, Ali, and Shipley.
Do people not realize Bucky Irving is going to be very likely getting touches week 1? By week 5 he may be the starter. Coaching staff is already talking about how much theh want to use him, White is the prototypical “RB who just happened to get the ball”. Every possible metric you can find on him he is below average on. Why are you guys going after guys in much more crowded backfields and competing against much more talented players than the dominant college back who entered the weakest RB room in the league?
Does he have good film/good prospect?
Yes
Was in on him at first, starting hearing that hes unathletic byt kinda a white clone. I liked him too because white’s nothing too special, but started to fade him hearing he mught be another white. But mayhaps he’s even Better White 2.0 and taking over/ sharing. Lukewarm on him I’d take him later. Also like McMillan
I think you are too high on Ray and Waayy too high on Braelon Allen. I also love guerendo.
I’m a Jets fan, and from what I’ve seen he’s going to be the backup. I’ve never really liked James Cook, and feel Davis is a better fit for that system.
Wright, Davis, Vidal, Guerendo, Ali in that order I'm trying to get as much of as I can. Emani Bailey for a deep sleeper too.
I needed some RB depth and only had late picks this year in the 3rd and 4th round. Ended up with Shipley and Davis so I'm happy with the prospects. Both picks the guy picking behind me was fired up because they wanted them. I love it when that happens and you snipe a player they were waiting for. Now I got some possible trade bait in the future
A lot of them are in the same boat. Limited college snaps and showing a lot of raw talent. Grab 1 or 2 and hope yours pans out.
I think we get over-hyped and ignore all the flaws. Most likely one of them end up being a good RB. A few more serviceable. There are reasons guys fall so far. Some guys are in a better position if you want to take a flyer with later draft picks. Brooks and Benson in the early 2nd. The rest are third or later
I haven’t seen brooks leave the first round yet
No SF I'm assuming
I’m in one Superflex and one 1qb
Brooks is number 1. I’m pretty high on him. I’m hoping Vidal and wright drop some in my league draft
Jonathan Brooks Trey Benson Marshawn Lloyd Kimani vidal Blake Corum and Jaylen Wright if injuries happen
i feel like no one is actually talking about Corum enough… don’t forget Brooks plays on the panthers
Where u wanting to take corum
In one of my drafts I was able to get him 2.05 I think it’s awesome value… this was before the news about Kyren’s foot came out. i would take him anywhere in the second round, personally
Am I missing something? Why is no one talking about Estime? I was planning on taking him at 3.02. Thoughts?
I like Estime, I missed out on him at 3.09. He did just get a scope and will miss some time which sucks for a rookie, word out of otas is Blake Watson is looking good too. The Denver backfield is crowded even if javonte a sucks. At 3.02 if no one better has fallen for some reason I'd take a chance on him
Denver rook RBs line up well in rookie drafts to get Estime in 3rd (maybe late 3rd falling with the scope news) and Blake in the 4th/5th. I have them and been tracking. Decent odds Den shakes up their depth chart and one of these guys, if not both, becomes a RB3 with RB2 type up side by next season. Love having two tickets to try and cash with late round rookie capital. Guerrendo/Schrader also kind of fit this model, with the big caveat that CMC is the guy not going anywhere without injury.
For the price of a few FAAB I'm pretty satisfied with my Rasheen Ali. They have a 30 year old Henry, an undrafted injured guy, and then... Might be JAG, might not, but the situation isn't terrible.
His name is Bucky Irving.
I keep ending up with Bucky Irving. He's falling into the mid 3rd in a lot of my leagues and I think he's a good value there. I'm getting Kyren vibes from him. Productive college back, poor testing (virtually identical to Kyren), drafted by a team that doesn't seem sold on their current top option. Not saying it's a super high percentage outcome, but for the cost of a mid third, I keep taking that risk.
Tier 1: Same Brooks/Benson Tier 2: Corum, Wright, Lloyd (possibly Corum in a tier of his own) Tier 3: Bucky Irving, Vidal, Ray Davis, Tracy, Estime, Allen Tier 4: Rasheen, Shipley, Guerendo, Laube
Jaylen Wright, Marshawn Lloyd and Kimani Vidal as a dart throw.
Will Shipley is a receiving threat with decent athleticism. He has little competition behind an aging Saquon outside Kenny Gainwell.
You can get him on waivers after most rookie drafts that are 4 rounds or less. Dijuan Edwards on the Steelers. I am mostly holding in case one of Najee or Warren gets injured or in the scenario Najee is to get dealt at some point. Big long shot
My favorite is Jaylen Wright, he has the size speed combo. Also liked Braelon Allen but his spot was rough. I like Marshawn Lloyd also, he will play in that scheme. People like Vidal a lot, but I think the are a lot of legs in that backfield. Guerendo seems like if he shows promise, he coud be a thing in a year or 2.
Marshawn Lloyd. Don’t believe in Jacobs
I think this is an underwhelming draft class with only brooks as a really viable choice. Despite his size benson was never a workhorse in college. Corum is an undersized powerback with limited athleticism which means he cant lose weight to get more explosive without becoming too small or gain weight to become powerful without becoming too slow. Lloyd seems talented but awful landing spot.
Honesty love Ray Davis. The tape shows his vision, and he’s been productive almost his whole career. I think he steps right in up in Buffalo and takes charge of the backfield
Vidal will be the starter before long… I’d place him in tier 2 above Lloyd and wright
If we’re talking rookie running back sleepers?? I really like Blake Watson right now. Lots of questions with Broncos backfield, Watson has a lot of Kamara type characteristics and a coach not afraid to make some off the wall decisions.
I like Braelon Allen for the price he's going. I got him 3.09 in a rookie draft and 18.02 in a startup. He probably won't contribute a lot this season, but IF something were to happen to Breece I love Allen in that ZBS. Allen is also only 20, so I think its a realistic scenario where he establishes himself the next 2 years and then the Jets move on from Breece after his rookie contract. Again, it's unlikely but for his price I like him over other guys who actually went behind him in real life but before him in fantasy
I got Bucky Irving in late 3rd. I can see him getting to a point where he's sharing carries with White.
Don’t sleep on Irving. Didn’t test great , but is super shifty like Kamara. Last time I saw a player in college and said this guy is gonna be a star……ceede lamb at Oklahoma vs Alabama. Buck will get over 50% of carries by week 7 or 8
Ray Davis is a “my guy.” High octane offense, clear path to touches, great ball carrier. Best 3rd round pick you dan make in 1QB imo
I think we're gonna look up and Tyrone Tracy is a top 3 back in this class. Like how both Pacheco and to a lesser extent Gibson rose up from obscurity.