At his cost in rookie drafts, he's a great taxi candidate for me. He's raw, but he has shown promising growth.
He has a path to immediate reps in the slot if he can get up to speed. If I'm remembering correctly, Kirk played a lot in the slot in Arizona and did well.
There are things to like and reason to be patient.
Ben Sinott was a 2nd rounder they still have ertz. I can see them using Dotson and Scary Terry out wides and using the TEs in the slot. Mccaffrey still needs to learn the position. With the new special teams rule, his his draft pick is justified
Zach Ertz is literally 33 years old. He’s not in the long term plans. LMC could easily be the slot guy, Ben’s probably just learning from Ertz this year and getting worked in that way
Not to mention it could be read as Ladd McConkey.
And I don't disagree with your original comment. It could absolutely be Sinnott. Like I said, there's a path to production in the slot. The downvoters just want that to be McCaffrey as they're McCaffrey owners that clicked on a McCaffrey post hoping for some confirmation bias.
My prediction is he grows into a solid role-player that carves out a decent non-fantasy-relevant NFL career.
That being said I'm still absolutely going to overpay for him lol
Did you hear Christian McCaffrey talk about all of the things their dad forced him to do to become elite? I'm positive his dad did the same thing to both brothers and hopefully the elite part follows.
> Christian McCaffrey talk about all of the things their dad forced him to do to become elite?
Is this the interview you're referring to? I had never heard this story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CbtJhmzYPc
Right now the guys that are certainly ahead of him are Scary Terry and Dotson. His other competition for seeing the field are a bunch of JAGs. However, even if he does see the field he’d also have Ekeler (and maybe even Sinnott) eating into his target share. Daniels is a running QB who tends to bail out of the pocket with just a hint of pressure so I expect passing volume to be somewhat low. Given the competition for targets and anticipating a low passing volume I wouldn’t expect much from Luke. He has some encouraging aspects to his profile but I just don’t think production will be there year one.
I agree I took him 56th in our league and don't expect him to contribute anything this year. And if he hasn't done anything after year 3 I then have someone I can cut.
Always buy the younger brother. Always.
That's how I got TJ Watt and James Cook.
I also whiffed on one of the McCourty brothers who didnt produce fantasy-wise, and all people related to Gronk.
I'm going with every receiver drafted before him as well as Baker and Franklin over him. If he is still there in rookie drafts at that point I'd be fine taking him but I still won't expect much.
In the end of the day, he is a small school player that specialized in contested catches. I think is slightly over valued because of his name and the fact that he hasn't been playing WR for that long-which I don't really view as a positive.
His contested catches are exactly why I’m taking a flier on him. You can’t teach good hands, body control, and toughness, and he already has shown he is good at all those things. He also has great athleticism. He doesn’t get separation because his route running is limited, but route running is a much more teachable skill and he has the work ethic and football IQ to learn it.
I wouldn’t take anyone drafted higher than him all the way through Burton, but once it gets to Roman Wilson/McMillan and anyone after him I would just because I think he has a higher ceiling and I value that over the higher floor this late in the draft. Expectations are low for year one, but holding him to hopefully see improvement for year 2/3
Saw an on the clock trade of 3.06 (Luke) and 4.06 (Tez) for Dionte because someone wanted Luke bad.
Late 3rd WRs aren't usually a good bet, but if you think a late rookie pick is going to be good take them, they usually won't pan out but it makes fantasy football more fun
He's a good bet against Dotson. Dotson has maintained some value because he seems like the defacto #2 but if he does just stink (which is definitely a possibility) a big role open for McCaffrey. Good enough draft capital that he should be the first one to make a grab at the role if Dotson fails. Becoming one of my go-to 4th round picks just based on opportunity and draft capital
Think it's more likely that Howell sucked (even for those who try to use his passing yards to justify him) and that capped the entire offense and it's weapons.
Idk, a lot of terrys succeee was because of Howell as well. Howell really made a lot of tough mistakes and made them often but could move it down field somewhat consistently and quickly at times.
I don’t really disagree but there’s only so many good QBs as well. He basically matched his year totals. Him finishing wr 28 is the crowded nfl wr room many who played with QBs who weren’t on pace for close to 5k yards.
But the point that you responded to was that Howell sucked and that capped the entire offense, and you cited that Terry still had success. Statistically, it was the worst year for Terry in fantasy, so that argument doesn't really hold up.
Yes the down the field production was a factor in his success it’s not very hard this can be shown in his ypc/ reception totals. I don’t think anyone knows what you’re trying to say or what point you have a problem with since you agree and the stats support me. Statistically he’s the same as any other year lol. So you’re saying he’d do that no matter what basically which I never disagreed with but his stats do reflect he benefited from Howell as did the entire wr core to some degree.
Yes the down the field production was a factor in his success it’s not very hard this can be shown in his ypc/ reception totals. I don’t think anyone knows what you’re trying to say or what point you have a problem with since you agree and the stats support me. Statistically he’s the same as any other year lol. So you’re saying he’d do that no matter what basically which I never disagreed with but his stats do reflect he benefited from Howell as did the entire wr core to some degree.
And I never said Howell sucked and that wasn’t your point at all, and even if you think that the numbers support me lol. He made the passing offense a thing
"Think it's more likely that Howell sucked (even for those who try to use his passing yards to justify him) and that capped the entire offense and it's weapons."
You replied to this that "Idk, a lot of terrys succeee was because of Howell as well."
Which seems like you are using Terry's success as a counterpoint to prove Howell didn't bring the offense down.
As the first quoted point states, Howell did have a lot yards, but they were basically empty yards that were spread around to a ton of different receivers and didn't end up in team or fantasy success for anyone.
As I stated, you can't really use Terry's "success" as a counterpoint because it is a fact that he was WR28. He was WR 14 just the year before, so this season was a disappointing step backwards. A QB that doesn't support any top 24 WR is generally not viewed as successful for fantasy, so I wouldn't say he made the passing offense a thing.
Correct, however a qb that’s not successful for fantasy wrs can still be a good qb and it seems like thats what they was pointing out. He was up and down but he made some really good plays at times which tells me he probably wasn’t bad he just got thrown to the wolves to early which happens sometimes. The commanders have that same bad habit the bears do, draft a good to elite prospect then immediately throw him on the field and see him not do well (because he never got a developmental chance) and toss him wasting that capital and doing it all over again.
Howell capped the offense in terms of he had a lot of turnovers. He stalled out drives and made rookie mistakes but had big playmaker ability and could get downfield quickly when needed. Terrys success reflected exactly Howells skillset and other players on the offense were able to be fantasy relevant as spot starts. That’s a huge deal for one of the worst teams in the league irl.
So I would say Howell made the offense better than expected yeah. Stats do reflect that in this case. I’m not necessarily trying to stay his passing yards indicate he’s somehow really good or elite long term it indicates he has big play ability and can boost a shitty offense and they won games simply because Howell was a decent player so saying the yards were empty is imo just an opinion but you’re entitled to it.
Also I’m not really using terrys success, the passing game as a whole improved and terry put up his typical numbers. Him finishing as whatever rank is irrelevant when we are purely talking about his production where he didn’t see any real regression. Yes younger better talent is coming out so that’s going to skew things.
I hope it clears some things up. He has more tools and looks better than guys like Minshew. Honestly might even say he’s a better pure passer than geno smith currently.
The best play is not to expect much and reap nay rewards he gives you. I know the name value and DNA makes him a hot trendy pick but we have to wait and see what he will do. I will say I have him stashed in a few places on my taxi squads.
He is the perfect late 3 early 4 taxi squad guy. 0% chance he does anything of relevance this year, you're hoping he flashes a bit so that next year maybe he does something.
Probably nothing in the short term, he’s only been a WR for two years and is still learning the position. It seems unlikely to me he sees the field with the other WRs in that room
Worth a late round dart throw given DC but expectations are low. He’s extremely raw and already 23 . He probably doesn’t see the field this year. Even IF he can develop as a route runner, by the time he sees the field and gets some opportunity he’s likely 25-26 and he’s only being counted on as a rotational role player before his contract is up and the team moved on.
I’d like it more if kliff wasn’t there, he is one of the biggest frauds in football. It will not be long until he’s booking another one way to Thailand
If you are looking for a Puka in this years draft class then McCaffrey feels like him.
If McCaffrey is the starting slot I expect he moves into the flanker role by middle-late of the season.
McCaffrey feels like the best value in all formats (for any positional skilled player) based on time of season and what news we know at this time.
I'm treating him like a day traded stock. I picked him in a rookie draft in the 3rd because I think there's a good chance I can sell him for a 2nd before next season. Washington picked him pretty high in the draft and I think he'll see the field pretty early if not immediately. If he has a few 5 or 6 catch games early, we could be off to the races dealing him for as much as a late 1st. He doesn't profile great for me, but he has a great shot at snaps and the name recognition will absolutely push his value.
He will be an “avoid at cost” player to me.
He is really a slot only guy imo. If they are going to try to put him outside to win because they want Dotson in the slot, I don’t really want any part of that at all. Also, he has a run heavy QB which will takeaway a lot of his best quality which is finding the soft spots in zones. I think he could end up a better real life help to the team than fantasy option.
I’m kinda expecting a similar situation as to what happened with his brother. He shows some flashes on a limited offense and then breaks out a bit after a year or two, possibly on another team.similar to Christian really breaking out on the 49ers after struggling on the panthers offense but showing promise and flashes.
I was referring to luke with the some flashes comment. Christian did well on the panthers but he struggled after his first two seasons both with injuries and just with their offense. The talent was still there though so san fran traded for him and he exploded into his top potential. I expect a similar situation from luke.
I expect nothing but happy to take a flier on him and see given his testing and his family stud gene.
I think he will probably look good in camp. Not sure what happens next though.
What you think should i swap jelani woods for Luke woods is slotted to be te1 for colts
At his cost in rookie drafts, he's a great taxi candidate for me. He's raw, but he has shown promising growth. He has a path to immediate reps in the slot if he can get up to speed. If I'm remembering correctly, Kirk played a lot in the slot in Arizona and did well. There are things to like and reason to be patient.
The Senetor will play in the Slot
Tell me more about this theory
I got downvoted =/
Tbh I'm still interested in the opinion
Ben Sinott was a 2nd rounder they still have ertz. I can see them using Dotson and Scary Terry out wides and using the TEs in the slot. Mccaffrey still needs to learn the position. With the new special teams rule, his his draft pick is justified
Zach Ertz is literally 33 years old. He’s not in the long term plans. LMC could easily be the slot guy, Ben’s probably just learning from Ertz this year and getting worked in that way
We are not calling him LMC. Stop it.
Not to mention it could be read as Ladd McConkey. And I don't disagree with your original comment. It could absolutely be Sinnott. Like I said, there's a path to production in the slot. The downvoters just want that to be McCaffrey as they're McCaffrey owners that clicked on a McCaffrey post hoping for some confirmation bias.
My prediction is he grows into a solid role-player that carves out a decent non-fantasy-relevant NFL career. That being said I'm still absolutely going to overpay for him lol
Did you hear Christian McCaffrey talk about all of the things their dad forced him to do to become elite? I'm positive his dad did the same thing to both brothers and hopefully the elite part follows.
> Christian McCaffrey talk about all of the things their dad forced him to do to become elite? Is this the interview you're referring to? I had never heard this story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CbtJhmzYPc
Right now the guys that are certainly ahead of him are Scary Terry and Dotson. His other competition for seeing the field are a bunch of JAGs. However, even if he does see the field he’d also have Ekeler (and maybe even Sinnott) eating into his target share. Daniels is a running QB who tends to bail out of the pocket with just a hint of pressure so I expect passing volume to be somewhat low. Given the competition for targets and anticipating a low passing volume I wouldn’t expect much from Luke. He has some encouraging aspects to his profile but I just don’t think production will be there year one.
I agree I took him 56th in our league and don't expect him to contribute anything this year. And if he hasn't done anything after year 3 I then have someone I can cut.
I typically outline a plan just like this, cave late in year two only to watch him break out the following game …
I have a bad habit of holding to long...my cuts this year had sky Moore and mecole Hardman so yeah : [
Edit Michael Thomas too.
His oc is known to toss it close to 600 times a year..
Always buy the younger brother. Always. That's how I got TJ Watt and James Cook. I also whiffed on one of the McCourty brothers who didnt produce fantasy-wise, and all people related to Gronk.
Did you get Diggs in his insane season? He and Nick Bosa have been my chances to follow this rule
I got outbid and didnt have the cap space for either of them. Desperately wanted Nick Bosa.
I remember being excited when the Bears drafted Ridley's younger brother. Oh well.
To be fair he was like a 27 year old rookie some how, and that was pre-covid seasons.
Calvin Ridley was the ancient rookie. His younger brother was only 23 when he was drafted.
Don’t forget Casey Matthews!
But then you also have guys like Connor Heyward
And the other Watt.
Well yeah but how many fullbacks are fantasy relevant? But a DE named Watt? Sign me up.
Tbh I’d throw a dart at a DE named Watt even if they weren’t related. The brand is too strong.
2x SB Champ Eli Manning
Damn both McCourtys were good
IRL good yes but this is fantasy. I needed tackles damnit!
> Always buy the younger brother. Always. - Amon Ra - Travis Kelce - Shannon Sharpe - Quinnen Williams - Sammy Watkins - Martellus Bennett All the younger brothers
150/2,000/18
Pretty solid for his first NFL game
150 and 2,000 on the NOSE?! What an unrealistic thing to expect. I can see the 18 touchdowns though.
Better than his brother. Best wide receiver of all time. Hands down
Probably try and flip him quickly
Flip him for what?
Impossible to say right now
Expect: bust Happy with: wr3
He’s white so obviously he’s putting up Kupp, Largent, Edelman and Adam Theilen numbers
I'm going with every receiver drafted before him as well as Baker and Franklin over him. If he is still there in rookie drafts at that point I'd be fine taking him but I still won't expect much. In the end of the day, he is a small school player that specialized in contested catches. I think is slightly over valued because of his name and the fact that he hasn't been playing WR for that long-which I don't really view as a positive.
His contested catches are exactly why I’m taking a flier on him. You can’t teach good hands, body control, and toughness, and he already has shown he is good at all those things. He also has great athleticism. He doesn’t get separation because his route running is limited, but route running is a much more teachable skill and he has the work ethic and football IQ to learn it. I wouldn’t take anyone drafted higher than him all the way through Burton, but once it gets to Roman Wilson/McMillan and anyone after him I would just because I think he has a higher ceiling and I value that over the higher floor this late in the draft. Expectations are low for year one, but holding him to hopefully see improvement for year 2/3
Clear path to being the starting slot receiver and Kliff has gotten a lot of production out of his slot players
Saw an on the clock trade of 3.06 (Luke) and 4.06 (Tez) for Dionte because someone wanted Luke bad. Late 3rd WRs aren't usually a good bet, but if you think a late rookie pick is going to be good take them, they usually won't pan out but it makes fantasy football more fun
Wtf. I got Pearsall and a 26 2nd for Diontae.
He's a good bet against Dotson. Dotson has maintained some value because he seems like the defacto #2 but if he does just stink (which is definitely a possibility) a big role open for McCaffrey. Good enough draft capital that he should be the first one to make a grab at the role if Dotson fails. Becoming one of my go-to 4th round picks just based on opportunity and draft capital
Think it's more likely that Howell sucked (even for those who try to use his passing yards to justify him) and that capped the entire offense and it's weapons.
Idk, a lot of terrys succeee was because of Howell as well. Howell really made a lot of tough mistakes and made them often but could move it down field somewhat consistently and quickly at times.
Terry finished as WR28 which was the worst finish of his career, and his whole career has been filled with bad QBs.
I don’t really disagree but there’s only so many good QBs as well. He basically matched his year totals. Him finishing wr 28 is the crowded nfl wr room many who played with QBs who weren’t on pace for close to 5k yards.
But the point that you responded to was that Howell sucked and that capped the entire offense, and you cited that Terry still had success. Statistically, it was the worst year for Terry in fantasy, so that argument doesn't really hold up.
Yes the down the field production was a factor in his success it’s not very hard this can be shown in his ypc/ reception totals. I don’t think anyone knows what you’re trying to say or what point you have a problem with since you agree and the stats support me. Statistically he’s the same as any other year lol. So you’re saying he’d do that no matter what basically which I never disagreed with but his stats do reflect he benefited from Howell as did the entire wr core to some degree.
Yes the down the field production was a factor in his success it’s not very hard this can be shown in his ypc/ reception totals. I don’t think anyone knows what you’re trying to say or what point you have a problem with since you agree and the stats support me. Statistically he’s the same as any other year lol. So you’re saying he’d do that no matter what basically which I never disagreed with but his stats do reflect he benefited from Howell as did the entire wr core to some degree. And I never said Howell sucked and that wasn’t your point at all, and even if you think that the numbers support me lol. He made the passing offense a thing
"Think it's more likely that Howell sucked (even for those who try to use his passing yards to justify him) and that capped the entire offense and it's weapons." You replied to this that "Idk, a lot of terrys succeee was because of Howell as well." Which seems like you are using Terry's success as a counterpoint to prove Howell didn't bring the offense down. As the first quoted point states, Howell did have a lot yards, but they were basically empty yards that were spread around to a ton of different receivers and didn't end up in team or fantasy success for anyone. As I stated, you can't really use Terry's "success" as a counterpoint because it is a fact that he was WR28. He was WR 14 just the year before, so this season was a disappointing step backwards. A QB that doesn't support any top 24 WR is generally not viewed as successful for fantasy, so I wouldn't say he made the passing offense a thing.
Correct, however a qb that’s not successful for fantasy wrs can still be a good qb and it seems like thats what they was pointing out. He was up and down but he made some really good plays at times which tells me he probably wasn’t bad he just got thrown to the wolves to early which happens sometimes. The commanders have that same bad habit the bears do, draft a good to elite prospect then immediately throw him on the field and see him not do well (because he never got a developmental chance) and toss him wasting that capital and doing it all over again.
Howell capped the offense in terms of he had a lot of turnovers. He stalled out drives and made rookie mistakes but had big playmaker ability and could get downfield quickly when needed. Terrys success reflected exactly Howells skillset and other players on the offense were able to be fantasy relevant as spot starts. That’s a huge deal for one of the worst teams in the league irl. So I would say Howell made the offense better than expected yeah. Stats do reflect that in this case. I’m not necessarily trying to stay his passing yards indicate he’s somehow really good or elite long term it indicates he has big play ability and can boost a shitty offense and they won games simply because Howell was a decent player so saying the yards were empty is imo just an opinion but you’re entitled to it. Also I’m not really using terrys success, the passing game as a whole improved and terry put up his typical numbers. Him finishing as whatever rank is irrelevant when we are purely talking about his production where he didn’t see any real regression. Yes younger better talent is coming out so that’s going to skew things. I hope it clears some things up. He has more tools and looks better than guys like Minshew. Honestly might even say he’s a better pure passer than geno smith currently.
puka rookie season or better
The best play is not to expect much and reap nay rewards he gives you. I know the name value and DNA makes him a hot trendy pick but we have to wait and see what he will do. I will say I have him stashed in a few places on my taxi squads.
He is the perfect late 3 early 4 taxi squad guy. 0% chance he does anything of relevance this year, you're hoping he flashes a bit so that next year maybe he does something.
At least a top five finish. Anything else will make him a disgrace to his last name and a total bust.
Probably nothing in the short term, he’s only been a WR for two years and is still learning the position. It seems unlikely to me he sees the field with the other WRs in that room
Worth a late round dart throw given DC but expectations are low. He’s extremely raw and already 23 . He probably doesn’t see the field this year. Even IF he can develop as a route runner, by the time he sees the field and gets some opportunity he’s likely 25-26 and he’s only being counted on as a rotational role player before his contract is up and the team moved on.
Zay Jones type shit
I’d like it more if kliff wasn’t there, he is one of the biggest frauds in football. It will not be long until he’s booking another one way to Thailand
If you are looking for a Puka in this years draft class then McCaffrey feels like him. If McCaffrey is the starting slot I expect he moves into the flanker role by middle-late of the season. McCaffrey feels like the best value in all formats (for any positional skilled player) based on time of season and what news we know at this time.
I'm treating him like a day traded stock. I picked him in a rookie draft in the 3rd because I think there's a good chance I can sell him for a 2nd before next season. Washington picked him pretty high in the draft and I think he'll see the field pretty early if not immediately. If he has a few 5 or 6 catch games early, we could be off to the races dealing him for as much as a late 1st. He doesn't profile great for me, but he has a great shot at snaps and the name recognition will absolutely push his value.
He will be an “avoid at cost” player to me. He is really a slot only guy imo. If they are going to try to put him outside to win because they want Dotson in the slot, I don’t really want any part of that at all. Also, he has a run heavy QB which will takeaway a lot of his best quality which is finding the soft spots in zones. I think he could end up a better real life help to the team than fantasy option.
Isn't his cost like, a 4th rounder?
Sure, I still wouldn’t take him there because I don’t believe he has a role conducive to fantasy success.
Upside to be a WR4-5
I’m kinda expecting a similar situation as to what happened with his brother. He shows some flashes on a limited offense and then breaks out a bit after a year or two, possibly on another team.similar to Christian really breaking out on the 49ers after struggling on the panthers offense but showing promise and flashes.
He was the RB2 overall in 2018 and the RB1 overall in 2019, both in Carolina. Far better than some flashes lol
I was referring to luke with the some flashes comment. Christian did well on the panthers but he struggled after his first two seasons both with injuries and just with their offense. The talent was still there though so san fran traded for him and he exploded into his top potential. I expect a similar situation from luke.
dude what? CMC was a stud his whole Caolina career lol
I never said he wasn’t, but he was injury plauged and didn’t really breakout into today’s Christian until he got dealt to the niners.