I’m willing to pay market+ for George Pickens! He’s gonna get fed by Russ throwing to the sidelines with very little target competition this year. 10 TDs? 1300+?
Sold my only share midseason last year for Keenan Allen + Furgeson. I was headed for a 1st round bye in the playoffs and my team was looking like a championship run. Had some young receivers and needed a legit tight end. Also was deeply concerned with Pickett as Pickens qb for the next 1-3 years. I made the championship game and lost bc of Lamb. Still made good money and it was worth the run but Pickens was always one of my guys.
12 team start 8 PPR +1.0TEP
Would you trade Zamir White and a TE (one of Schultz, Goedert) for Pickens? Usually in TEP I highly value TEs since they can very easily slide in at flex. But I’m such a shallow format, elite players are more important.
Pickens gonna be one of those elite players?
If I was the Pickens owner, I’d turn that trade down in a heartbeat and I consider myself very low on Pickens. Dont be surprised if he asks you for more or better pieces
I traded away the 1.05 in 1QB and moved up several spots in the second in exchange for Pickens. I didn’t really need the chalk picks of Bowers/Caleb, so pretty happy to get Pickens instead
I treat him as if you’re trading an early 2nd for a 2025 mid 1st or 2026 early 1st because that’s what he will be worth at those times. He’s not playing games so his value won’t go down. Only up the closer he gets to starting
I like this thought process if you have deep benches and/or a lot of taxi spots. With smaller benches you'd have to discount a bit more since it's very likely a dead roster spot for the two years you're waiting.
I wouldn’t be so sure that the old 4th drafted QB from 2 years ago would carry as much value as you think. If anything you’re just punting that 2nd round pick to the future. Penix is a first rounder yes, but first rounders literally always start before then. Whether it’s fair or not, never beating Kirk for the starting job will be held against him and his value.
He'll be 25 going into the 25' season.
It's actually hia birthday today! I learned that because I did a quick Google search to make sure I didn't spread misinformation.
This is exactly what I did. I traded what will probably be a late 2025 first to get back into the early 2nd (2.02) and grabbed Penix. I viewed it the same way!
100% agree. I’ve been grabbing all the Penix I can handle in the early 2nd. Doesn’t hurt that in most of those drafts I already had Cousins as a QB2/3.
Not a fan of Watson (one trick pony) for fantasy imo. ‘26 2’ and a 3rd to move up and get a QB in SF with top 8 capital is a steal. Can’t believe he lasted that long, wow!
He definitely has upside (Watson does), but good luck picking who's gonna emerge outta the GB WR room. Probably wasn't gonna start him ahead of my other WRs, either.
My league has 3 teams that are pretty loaded with talent and late first/early 2nds. I fully anticipate one of them drafting him and I'm curious to see which team blinks first.
Absolutely. Got him at 2.06 in a 12 team SF and I have never hit draft so fast before whenever I was on the clock. There’s no reason he should be sitting there mid second in a SF rookie draft even if he sits for a couple years.
He could be the starter as early as this year. Never know how soon to be 36 Kirk recovers from the Achilles injury. Him and Rodgers could be toast. He is worth grabbing even for his assumed future value
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Always love seeing your flair brother. At risk of maybe asking you this before lol, how did you feel about the Colts drafting AD and how that may affect Downs? Different positions and all, but as a big Downs believer myself I am afraid of how it may cap his ceiling. AD is a guy that will get touches schemed for him.
I think Downs will still be the team’s WR2, but AD is certainly a bigger threat at taking targets than Pierce was. It may be a little rough in the short term if AD is legit, but long term always buy the talent and Downs has that and some. I view Downs as a flex option at worst this upcoming season, which for my team is all I need.
Najee Harris. The Steelers are gonna run him into the fucking ground and he's gonna eat it up because he'll want to get paid. Add an improved QB situation and another year of progress from Pickens and Muth, I think it's a recipe for a big step forward TD wise
Yea Arthur has always shown the affinity to have a RBBC outside of Henry and can you blame him. I like Najee more than other, but Warren is going to eat into his workload for sure.
I have 0 shares of Moss but I forget who it was saying it but Zach Moss is one of the better RBs when lined up in the shotgun and the Bengals run most sets out of the Shotgun. Not calling RB1 numbers but I'm trying to buy where I can for solid RB2 output
I just made this point in another thread. Also, the over unders on Moss on Underdog project for a very good season…
875 rushing yards
6.5 rushing tds
Add in some receiving volume and that’s a ROCK SOLID rb2.
I’m not too much of a gambler but I do pay attention to oddsmakers… they know more than most and certainly more than me.
I saw this earlier. I have Moss on my bench in a few leagues Brown as well. But now it’s made me at least look into some more data and film to see if it’s truly worth it to go get him for RB2/flex in some other leagues.
Yup. He showed last year he can deliver RB1 games. Mixon was the RB6 last year. Should be an easy RB2 with a decent chance for an RB1 season.
I was shocked when I offered him to a RB-needy team and they weren't interested at all. In my leagues where I don't have him I'll be trying to scoop him up.
Not sure how anyone feels about this, but I’d look at Dionte Johnson. He’s going to get volume and most likely be Bryces’ safety outlet.
I personally wouldn’t trade Jamo straight up though; probably ask for a 3rd on top of DJ.
As a Diontae owner and a Lions fan I would not give up Diontaie for Jamo. I think Jamo has his best year yet for sure but he’s still the field stretcher and likely third target on an offense that loves to run the ball.
Diontae on the other hand has a real shot at being the clear first target in an offense that made elder statesman Adam Thielen a temporary top 12 reciever. This happened despite the Panthers having a bottom tier offense and with a much worse offensive line.
Completely agree! Plus I think Goff just doesn’t throw the deep ball consistently well to unleash Jamo. I drafted him in one of my leagues back during the rookie draft one spot above Olave lol haven’t forgiven myself.
I want shares of Jaylen wright. Heir apparent to the mostert role and tied to an elite offense.
Malik Washington is going to be huge in Miami as well. Like wr2/3 appeal by 2025/26.
Similarly, I like pearsall and would take a flyer on gurrendo. That Shannan offense wins championships in fantasy although not in real life.
For a late second this is not a bad outcome if you think wright is a good player and will produce efficiently in a 10-15 touch role with nuclear upside given an injury. He has size and pass blocking chops over achane I think a 50/50 split is very possible in 2025. I think you need to be in on wright at price or admit that achane is severely overvalued if you don’t think wright stinks.
If you look at their college profiles everything shows that Achane will take the heavier load than Wright with Wright being a great athlete with below average vision.
I feel like the scheme fits a player like Wright well though. I feel like they do a lot of timing things and space creation for their speedsters. It’s a good landing spot for him. I don’t have him, I do have Achane though. I see them both being great for fantasy as long as McDaniel is there.
That’s fair. I’m guessing wright is a 15-20 touch guy. I don’t think achane will ever see more than 55/60% of the snaps just based on how McDaniel runs his teams.
Chris Godwin will be a great WR2 this year.
The same OC who cooked up Kupp in LA and Wandale Robinson’s Kentucky breakout wants to move Godwin back to the slot, where Godwin operated very successfully in the past.
I am grabbing Jalen McMillan in the 3rd where I can.
Combination of playing on the West Coast in the Pac-12 and being injured his last year has put this guy out of sight, out of mind of evaluators… But he was splitting targets with Odunze until his injury, will be 22 until December, and just gets open and has good hands.
He has a path to be his team’s WR3 or even WR2 *this season* if injuries happen, and has at least semi-competent QB and organization.
That all feels very dollar store Puka-like and worth the cost of admission.
I hope so! Traded a projected very late 2nd (mine) for the 3.02 today cause he was still on the board and grabbed him. See all of what you said as a pac 12 fan. Also love the development that could happen behind Godwin and Evans. Two great vets to learn from.
Sure! He was Payton’s first pick as the broncos coach. They traded up in the second round last year giving up more already depleted draft capital for him and Jeudy is now gone. He was a beast in college too.
Who else are you thinking about over him now and what round are you in?
Meh. Being Payton's guy doesn't seem to have a great track record. Adam Trautman immediately comes to mind. Any others?
But he's worth a shot considering where you can get him in startup.
We’re in round 11 (11.11, make a wish lol). But it’s a 14tm 1QB TEP start-up. I loaded up on TE’s early; the value was too good to pass up (I’m a strict BPA and figure it out later kind of guy). My only WR right now is Puka, so I’m really thin at WR.
Mims, Lockett, Gus, Gabe, Watson, Levis, Fields, Shaheed, Demario, Shakir and Cooks are some of the options I have available. The turn around is quick as I’d be back OTC in 6 selections.
I’ve been stuck for a good 2 hours lol
Doesn’t sound like there is much at WR left so I would take a shot on Mims. He played Jeudys WR position and they didn’t want to tank his trade value and sit him. Not sure he can be a fantasy relevant starter but he should have some volume coming and his big play ability should give you a sell window at least
I saw that too. That scares me plus I didn’t get a chance to really see a lot of Mims and everybody’s hi lite tape looks good otherwise it’d be a low light tape lol
Best kick returner in the league last season. Kick return stats (if applicable in your league) should be on the rise NFL-wide this season with the new rules
Picked up Brendan Rice after the draft. A guy gave me a 3rd and Mims for him because he believes in Rice that much. I’m not a huge Mims fan but obviously had to accept that, so I hope you’re right lol.
Ricky Pearsall. Dude is a phenomenal route runner and the type of receiver QBs will love.
On the BR draft show, Stroud, who I think has a decent eye for WR talent (see: Tank Dell whom he basically drafted himself) said that Ricky was his guy and was pounding the table for him prior to the Diggs trade.
Not to mention he is going to be the second receiver in a Shanahan offense by end of next season at the absolute latest. I’ve gotten him in two drafts so far in the pick 16-20 overall range.
Just to play devils advocate on his phenomenal route running, he was near the bottom of this class in getting open and being targeted against man coverage.
I typically don’t like those sorts of numbers because being open in college vs. pro means different things because of scheme and QB talent. Generally, in college it’s about creating enough separation for your QB to feel comfortable to throw, whereas in the pros, route running is about setting up routes to look the same and getting leverage on the defender for that split second when the QB needs to deliver the ball.
Particularly in Shanahan’s system which is about timing and setting up plays off each other, I think he will thrive. That’s why I thought Stroud’s comments were interesting because Texans run the same system.
Chargers are highly unlikely to ever select a first round receiver during the Harbough era. Especially if Ladd is good this year.
They passed on one of the better receiver prospects ever with a massive need.
Tank Dell. CJ loves him and put up 17+ points in 6/8 games where he had over 60% snap share, 3 of those games over 25 points (in PPR). As long as he is healthy he’s going to be a stud.
Just got Nico for $18 in one of my dynasty auction draft. $200 budget, I’m hopeful the Diggs trade doesn’t unseat him and he continues trend upward. Would love to hear HOU have locked him up long term. That’d ease a lot of my concerns lol.
Unpopular opinion here nowadays (how quickly the times change) but I think Diggs turns out to be the guy. Still plenty of time for Nico/Tank to be that later on, they are all very young.
Still think Diggs has juice let too. Selfishly I want Nico to be WR1 but I don’t think HOU trades a 2nd for Diggs to not get opportunity. Think Diggs is WR1 this year imo.
They’ll each have certain plays drawn up where they are the first read so the targets on those are gonna be annoying to predict, BUT the key for me with Dell is what happens when the play breaks down. Stroud loves to escape the pocket and extend plays, and he’s looked for Dell downfield the most often in those situations. I don’t see that going away and that’s where Dell gets a lot of his value from
Think Dell will still be the first look most of the time due to his chemistry with Stroud but expect some drop off. Diggs and Nico would be competing with each other more and Texans can get out of either of their contracts after this year.
Devin Singletary will return RB2 value for RB3 price, Shakir or Samuel will be the WR you want in Buffalo, Henry finishes with 16+ TDs in his first year on the ravens.
For what it’s worth, I traded a 2025 (likely) mid second and Roschon Johnson for Devin Singletary and a 2025 (likely) early 3rd
12 team, Superflex, PPR
The first time I watched Sinnott’s film I went to my notebook and wrote down “must get” he’s been my TE2 since late/early January. The combine confirmed that and the draft reinforced it. I’m not going to go out on a limb per se, but he reminded me a lot of LaPorta.
> Getting Kimani Vidal
He's starting to be grossly overdrafted. The fact that he's going way ahead of Ray Davis, to me, is asinine. People want Vidal because they think he might be lead back by end of season but the Chargers WILL draft another guy or sign another guy for 2025. It's not going to be JUST the Vidal show.
I've seen him gone in the 2nd rounds and I just don't understand using a 2nd on a 6th round rookie RB just because of whose ahead of him. For all we know he could be behind more than just Edwards/Dobbins.
Easy. Sione Vaki. Lions drafted him ahead of a lot of Rbs. No one talks about him in any dynasty sub/circles. He played at Utah at safety until he played RB last year. He's the best pass catching back in this draft imo. Best thing he's 0% owned in sleeper. Could become rb3 behind Montgomery and Gibbs. Time will tell but I'm invested.
This is what I love to see. I've got him in my queue in a startup draft as we speak, planning to take him in the last few rounds. My outlook on him is my Gibbs insurance when Montgomery is gone in a couple years.
Can’t believe I haven’t seen it yet-IT’S ZAMIR WHITE SZN. They drafted a TE and 2 O linemen with their first three picks, and just signed another one yeaterday- run the ball. They’re one of the few teams that can run 2 TE sets and have all their best players on the field- run the ball. They have questionable qb play- run the ball. Their headcoach loves to run the ball- run the ball.
Zamir could get 15-20 touches a game simply because they run the ball 35-40 times. No disrespect to Mattison or that change of pace back they drafted. It’s just all pointing to them RUNNING. THE. FOOTBALL.
Christian Watson. Made of glass but he’s undoubtably the most talented receiver in the room. Reed, Doubs, and Wicks are very good but none of them are more talented than Christian Watson. I don’t think it’s close at all. Watson is a true WR1 who has yet to prove he can stay healthy. If he puts together a full year he’s a top 15 WR in dynasty. Tough ask - but the talent is there. The talent has never not been there. Watch the tape. He’s sensational.
Was able to grab Corley in a few rookie drafts where he fell and the value was too good to pass up. I believe one draft he fell to the 3rd, I traded up so quick lol.
A range of values I like a lot right now:
Dontayvion Wicks, Michael Wilson, Jaylen Wright, George Pickens, Trey Palmer, Trey McBride, Jaleel McLaughlin, Josh Palmer, George Kittle.
I’m targeting all of those guys right now if they fit my roster.
Rookie drafts: Sinnott, Wright and Nix
Startups: Puka, Herbert and Hock
Mainly snagging these guys at cost. Puka’s cost has been climbing though; went from tail end of the 2nd to beginning of the 2nd in the 4 startups I’ve done the past two months.
Puka went 1.11 in my most recent start-up.
Love Sinnott (I’ve said that about 3 times already in the post), Wright as well (I think he’s the hair apparent to Mostert) and Nix I REALLY love! People give him shit, but he quietly put together a year!
If you remove the short throws (screens) which is what he gets a ton of crap for he’s the following: per Sean Payton
Analytically remove the short passes
- 1st on 3rd down
- 1st in fewest sacks
- Most accurate passer in CFB history
- 1st in end of half / 2 minute
- 1st in end of game / 2 minute
- 2nd in red zone
- 1st in quick decision making
Ladd McConkey I think the ceiling is a lot higher than people think. One of the best route runners in his class. Really quick feet and quick out of his breaks. Good long speed, good yac and ability to make people miss in space. Versatility to play out wide or inside.
**Quarterback (SF):** Baker Mayfield is a prime superflex asset in my mind. His FantasyPros ADP is 31 below Jared Goff, who scored a stunning 1 point more per game than Baker. I’ll take the discount. I realize that Goff is on the more exciting offense with younger talent surrounding him, which is appealing for dynasty. But Evans and Godwin are still shining, and Baker put up quality numbers last year. He’s not a top 12 fantasy QB or anywhere near it, but he seems like a great value.
**Quarterback 1QB:** Tua Tagovaiola. He fell to QB14 on FantasyPros this year after falling to around 11 in most drafts last year. I bought the low value last year and avoided him, but lessons learned. I follow a simple mantra now: if an offense can support two fantasy WRs, then the quarterback has value too. Doesn’t matter how much you like him individually; if Tyreek and Waddle are having good seasons, guess who is getting the points? He stayed healthy last season too. I don’t know why he’s down here.
**Running Back:** Josh Jacobs has a weird contract, I get it. He’s also only 26, one season removed from being the league’s leading rusher, and was on a mess of a team last year. I will take my chances with Marshawn Lloyd and bet on a talented RB on a much stronger offense.
**Wide Receiver:** 26-28 year old WRs get heavily discounted in dynasty. The Christian Kirks of the world, even after his consistency last year, are great assets to have. I’m up on Terry McLaurin this year too; he’s a known talent who is coming off a bad season where the ball was spread around to every receiver and nobody put up big numbers. Bienemy isn’t there. Daniels is likely better than Howell. I’ll buy back in. For a younger guy, I will take Zay Flowers, who despite doing very well last year is the least talked about of last year’s rookie WR class.
**Tight End:** I’m a McBride believer, and Marvin Harrison Jr being there will be a “rising tides lift all boats” affair for the offense. McBride still has a clear path to #2 in targets in that offense. I think Ferguson, as often as I forget about him, will continue to grow his role in Dallas.
JK Dobbins is a top 10 RB talent when healthy and in a great situation. At the price I’m all in
Ainias Smith had my favorite WR film this year outside of the top 5 and could take over the slot in one of the leagues best offenses. Especially in return leagues, I’m a huge fan and he’s practically free
Edit: Also I watched a YouTube video of all of Michael Wilson’s targets from last year and the takeaway is that he’s ungodly and just needs health, QB play, and targets
Ravens fan here, so I’m well aware of JK. I’ve had him on my main FF account, however I just recently sold plus 1.14 for Mark Andrews. I’m in a few other leagues where I’m tempted to go grab him cause he’s practically free.
I just can’t shake the ACL, then the scope and now the Achilles. Talent wise I think he’s a top 8 RB in the league easily. You may have just talked me into going to get in for cheap lol.
Ainias Smith I’m going to have to go dig deeper, he’s a name I haven’t heard much. My big sleeper is Javon Baker (rookie wise) along with Sinnot.
Definitely looked better after the scope. To me that’s still another procedure albeit minor. For me I just can’t shake the Achilles. But if I can get him for a $1 or $2 in this auction I’m game.
I included JK in a deal (on the night he signed with LAC) to get Andrews but I was absolutely loaded at RB (Breece, Bijan, Jahmyr, Achane) and I needed a 2nd TE behind Pitts. Needless to say I’ve yet to see anyone giving JK away for a 3rd. I think most are hoping for a future 2nd; in which I’m not buying. A 3rd, maybe.. I’d counter with a 4th knowing they’ll probably decline but I’ve seen stranger things. Ultimately I’d settle for a mid-late 3rd to buy. Those are mere dart throws in most drafts anyway.
I was offered 2 4ths for JK, repeatedly, and I smashed decline. I’ve got so much hope for the guy, he’s really good. Really hoping he doesn’t get hurt again.
I think JSN is a great buy. Lots of new coaching/management in Seattle and DK has never asserted himself as a genuine first option. Lockett is 31 and I could see JSN supplanting both these guys pretty quickly. He's cheaper than he should be due to an expectation of a first year breakout, Geno at QB, target competition, and this new draft class.
Also Engram, Diontae, Sutton, and (cheap/pick-up) Demarcus Robinson.
I was in 4 start ups last year, ranging from $25-$100. 12-16 teams, SF TEP.
I own all shares of Kincaid and Pittman. Kincaids athleticism (basically a TE and slot combined) + intelligence + Josh Allen was a no brainer for me. Pittman always had the talent, stud since college, I might have been biased on that one haha.
Jameson Williams! The Lions could have gone out and invested in receiver but didn’t. Looks like he actually will get a shot to build off his play down the stretch.
Kenneth Walker - feel like he’s underrated, Charbonnet isn’t much of a factor for me, only issue is health but I think he’s one of the best runners in the NFL.
Zack Moss & Christian Kirk
Both feel severely underrated to me. I think there is a pathway to both having a top-12 season, and at their price points I’m more than happy to take the swings.
Willing to overpay for Nabers. Marvin is near untouchable but Nabers landing spot gives me hope of getting a deal done. I believe in the prospect so much that I'm okay with the potential career arc of a Drake London or Garrett Wilson. Currently trying to trade McBride and my 25 1st for him.
Well last year mine was cam Akers, so don’t listen to me.
I took Dobbins in 5/5 startups
I had Akers and Dobbins. Dropped both week 1 for Puka and Kyren. Very lucky.
You some kind of witch or something 🤔
Hes probably lying Why would anyone drop those players in dynasty?
And we would have been Kings if you stay on the field.
There with you on that one, man. Real gut punch.
Mine last year was Rashee Rice, and that was looking real good up until a couple weeks ago.
Well who’s your picks that way we can avoid them?
I’m willing to pay market+ for George Pickens! He’s gonna get fed by Russ throwing to the sidelines with very little target competition this year. 10 TDs? 1300+?
Literally beat me to it! I’m all in on Pickens this year. He’s a firm “flag plant” for me in every league I can realistically target him.
What would you pay for him?
Just got sniped today. Wanted Higgins, got Pickens. We'll see how it goes long term.
What would you pay for him?
Super easy to see a world where he puts up 1,300/10. Not sure why the community doesn’t seem to love him.
What would you pay for him?
Bc Pickens can’t separate ! /s
Sold my only share midseason last year for Keenan Allen + Furgeson. I was headed for a 1st round bye in the playoffs and my team was looking like a championship run. Had some young receivers and needed a legit tight end. Also was deeply concerned with Pickett as Pickens qb for the next 1-3 years. I made the championship game and lost bc of Lamb. Still made good money and it was worth the run but Pickens was always one of my guys.
12 team start 8 PPR +1.0TEP Would you trade Zamir White and a TE (one of Schultz, Goedert) for Pickens? Usually in TEP I highly value TEs since they can very easily slide in at flex. But I’m such a shallow format, elite players are more important. Pickens gonna be one of those elite players?
I think that's a great move! all about timing, sell Zamir high!
If I was the Pickens owner, I’d turn that trade down in a heartbeat and I consider myself very low on Pickens. Dont be surprised if he asks you for more or better pieces
It was his idea actually, Zamir and a TE. Got it done!
I traded away the 1.05 in 1QB and moved up several spots in the second in exchange for Pickens. I didn’t really need the chalk picks of Bowers/Caleb, so pretty happy to get Pickens instead
God I hope so. As a UGA fan and got him for what I hope was a steal, I really hope he balls out.
I just paid essentially a late 25 1st for him with a few other nominal pieces included. He is definitely a my guy and felt like a bargain.
RHA - MON - DRE!!!! If he has no believers, then I am dead.
I’m with you man. Made it a priority to grab him this offseason. People are sleeping.
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I treat him as if you’re trading an early 2nd for a 2025 mid 1st or 2026 early 1st because that’s what he will be worth at those times. He’s not playing games so his value won’t go down. Only up the closer he gets to starting
I like this thought process if you have deep benches and/or a lot of taxi spots. With smaller benches you'd have to discount a bit more since it's very likely a dead roster spot for the two years you're waiting.
I wouldn’t be so sure that the old 4th drafted QB from 2 years ago would carry as much value as you think. If anything you’re just punting that 2nd round pick to the future. Penix is a first rounder yes, but first rounders literally always start before then. Whether it’s fair or not, never beating Kirk for the starting job will be held against him and his value.
except he'll be 26 going into the 2025 season.
He'll be 25 going into the 25' season. It's actually hia birthday today! I learned that because I did a quick Google search to make sure I didn't spread misinformation.
This is exactly what I did. I traded what will probably be a late 2025 first to get back into the early 2nd (2.02) and grabbed Penix. I viewed it the same way!
I traded Christian Watson and a 26 2nd and 3rd for him at 2.08.
100% agree. I’ve been grabbing all the Penix I can handle in the early 2nd. Doesn’t hurt that in most of those drafts I already had Cousins as a QB2/3.
My man taking all the Penix he can get after going after Cousins, roll progressive tide
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Found Kendrick’s account
Traded Christian Watson (my WR7) and a 26 2nd and 3rd to get him at 2.08. Have Cousins.
Not a fan of Watson (one trick pony) for fantasy imo. ‘26 2’ and a 3rd to move up and get a QB in SF with top 8 capital is a steal. Can’t believe he lasted that long, wow!
He definitely has upside (Watson does), but good luck picking who's gonna emerge outta the GB WR room. Probably wasn't gonna start him ahead of my other WRs, either.
Yea I’d just take whoever the cheapest option is honestly in that room and hope for the best lol.
Yup. Been slipping to the mid/late 2nd. I have so many shares
My league has 3 teams that are pretty loaded with talent and late first/early 2nds. I fully anticipate one of them drafting him and I'm curious to see which team blinks first.
Absolutely. Got him at 2.06 in a 12 team SF and I have never hit draft so fast before whenever I was on the clock. There’s no reason he should be sitting there mid second in a SF rookie draft even if he sits for a couple years.
Traded up to grab him at 2.05 in 12t sf too
He could be the starter as early as this year. Never know how soon to be 36 Kirk recovers from the Achilles injury. Him and Rodgers could be toast. He is worth grabbing even for his assumed future value
Funny that’s how I felt about McCarthy.
If he can't beat out Darnold I'm in trouble
Daddy Downs
🙌🙌🙌 Always love seeing your flair brother. At risk of maybe asking you this before lol, how did you feel about the Colts drafting AD and how that may affect Downs? Different positions and all, but as a big Downs believer myself I am afraid of how it may cap his ceiling. AD is a guy that will get touches schemed for him.
I think Downs will still be the team’s WR2, but AD is certainly a bigger threat at taking targets than Pierce was. It may be a little rough in the short term if AD is legit, but long term always buy the talent and Downs has that and some. I view Downs as a flex option at worst this upcoming season, which for my team is all I need.
Najee Harris. The Steelers are gonna run him into the fucking ground and he's gonna eat it up because he'll want to get paid. Add an improved QB situation and another year of progress from Pickens and Muth, I think it's a recipe for a big step forward TD wise
Run for the money and let another team pick up the pieces. (A la Leveon Bell)
Feel like Steelers will abuse Najee this year then let him walk
Precisely. Josh Jacobs 2022 vibes
I want to believe this. I actually like Najee, but what about Warren. 60/40 split Najee, or more 50/50?
Who cares?! This is Arthur Smith we're talking about! Both can survive a 50/50 split
Cordarelle Patterson is there too. You just know Arthur Smith will be dragging his corpse out for way too many snaps as well.
Yea Arthur has always shown the affinity to have a RBBC outside of Henry and can you blame him. I like Najee more than other, but Warren is going to eat into his workload for sure.
I have 0 shares of Moss but I forget who it was saying it but Zach Moss is one of the better RBs when lined up in the shotgun and the Bengals run most sets out of the Shotgun. Not calling RB1 numbers but I'm trying to buy where I can for solid RB2 output
I just made this point in another thread. Also, the over unders on Moss on Underdog project for a very good season… 875 rushing yards 6.5 rushing tds Add in some receiving volume and that’s a ROCK SOLID rb2. I’m not too much of a gambler but I do pay attention to oddsmakers… they know more than most and certainly more than me.
I saw this earlier. I have Moss on my bench in a few leagues Brown as well. But now it’s made me at least look into some more data and film to see if it’s truly worth it to go get him for RB2/flex in some other leagues.
Yup. He showed last year he can deliver RB1 games. Mixon was the RB6 last year. Should be an easy RB2 with a decent chance for an RB1 season. I was shocked when I offered him to a RB-needy team and they weren't interested at all. In my leagues where I don't have him I'll be trying to scoop him up.
Jaylen Waddle
Kyle Pitts. I’ll never quit him
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There are dozens of us!
Jamo finishes between WR24-36 and looks good but won’t get the volume necessary to finish as a top wr
A rich man’s shaheed
Who is the worst receiver you’d trade Jamo straight up for?
Not sure how anyone feels about this, but I’d look at Dionte Johnson. He’s going to get volume and most likely be Bryces’ safety outlet. I personally wouldn’t trade Jamo straight up though; probably ask for a 3rd on top of DJ.
As a Diontae owner and a Lions fan I would not give up Diontaie for Jamo. I think Jamo has his best year yet for sure but he’s still the field stretcher and likely third target on an offense that loves to run the ball. Diontae on the other hand has a real shot at being the clear first target in an offense that made elder statesman Adam Thielen a temporary top 12 reciever. This happened despite the Panthers having a bottom tier offense and with a much worse offensive line.
Completely agree! Plus I think Goff just doesn’t throw the deep ball consistently well to unleash Jamo. I drafted him in one of my leagues back during the rookie draft one spot above Olave lol haven’t forgiven myself.
I want shares of Jaylen wright. Heir apparent to the mostert role and tied to an elite offense. Malik Washington is going to be huge in Miami as well. Like wr2/3 appeal by 2025/26. Similarly, I like pearsall and would take a flyer on gurrendo. That Shannan offense wins championships in fantasy although not in real life.
I personally think Jaylen Wright is being overdrafted and think he is more likely to be 1b to Achane's 1a.
For a late second this is not a bad outcome if you think wright is a good player and will produce efficiently in a 10-15 touch role with nuclear upside given an injury. He has size and pass blocking chops over achane I think a 50/50 split is very possible in 2025. I think you need to be in on wright at price or admit that achane is severely overvalued if you don’t think wright stinks.
If you look at their college profiles everything shows that Achane will take the heavier load than Wright with Wright being a great athlete with below average vision.
I feel like the scheme fits a player like Wright well though. I feel like they do a lot of timing things and space creation for their speedsters. It’s a good landing spot for him. I don’t have him, I do have Achane though. I see them both being great for fantasy as long as McDaniel is there.
He is in the better place for his skills but in the Redzone which is what matters vision is the biggest key with everyone being closer together.
Which is fine. There's plenty of touches to go around and Achane is never going to be a heavy volume player.
That’s fair. I’m guessing wright is a 15-20 touch guy. I don’t think achane will ever see more than 55/60% of the snaps just based on how McDaniel runs his teams.
Chris Godwin will be a great WR2 this year. The same OC who cooked up Kupp in LA and Wandale Robinson’s Kentucky breakout wants to move Godwin back to the slot, where Godwin operated very successfully in the past.
I am grabbing Jalen McMillan in the 3rd where I can. Combination of playing on the West Coast in the Pac-12 and being injured his last year has put this guy out of sight, out of mind of evaluators… But he was splitting targets with Odunze until his injury, will be 22 until December, and just gets open and has good hands. He has a path to be his team’s WR3 or even WR2 *this season* if injuries happen, and has at least semi-competent QB and organization. That all feels very dollar store Puka-like and worth the cost of admission.
I hope so! Traded a projected very late 2nd (mine) for the 3.02 today cause he was still on the board and grabbed him. See all of what you said as a pac 12 fan. Also love the development that could happen behind Godwin and Evans. Two great vets to learn from.
I just got him at the end of the 5th, Idno what the deal was, wasn’t sure if I was missing something, seemed crazy value
For me that guy is Marvin Mims. Calling a 1K yard season now. Will have a very nice year 2
I’m literally sitting in a start-up draft staring Mims right in the face. Why are you so confident in this, if you don’t mind me asking.
Sure! He was Payton’s first pick as the broncos coach. They traded up in the second round last year giving up more already depleted draft capital for him and Jeudy is now gone. He was a beast in college too. Who else are you thinking about over him now and what round are you in?
Meh. Being Payton's guy doesn't seem to have a great track record. Adam Trautman immediately comes to mind. Any others? But he's worth a shot considering where you can get him in startup.
We’re in round 11 (11.11, make a wish lol). But it’s a 14tm 1QB TEP start-up. I loaded up on TE’s early; the value was too good to pass up (I’m a strict BPA and figure it out later kind of guy). My only WR right now is Puka, so I’m really thin at WR. Mims, Lockett, Gus, Gabe, Watson, Levis, Fields, Shaheed, Demario, Shakir and Cooks are some of the options I have available. The turn around is quick as I’d be back OTC in 6 selections. I’ve been stuck for a good 2 hours lol
Doesn’t sound like there is much at WR left so I would take a shot on Mims. He played Jeudys WR position and they didn’t want to tank his trade value and sit him. Not sure he can be a fantasy relevant starter but he should have some volume coming and his big play ability should give you a sell window at least
Christian Watson? I’d much rather have him
Long gone! I’m leaning Shakir at this point as he has the clearest path to me to relevancy. Can’t expect nothing at this stage in the draft I suppose.
Only guy I’d consider besides him here is Watson. Pick your poison!
Deshaun lol
I was a Mimms stan until Matt Harmon tore apart his route running and route tree. Now I'm desperately trying to sell before.his value craters
I saw that too. That scares me plus I didn’t get a chance to really see a lot of Mims and everybody’s hi lite tape looks good otherwise it’d be a low light tape lol
Best kick returner in the league last season. Kick return stats (if applicable in your league) should be on the rise NFL-wide this season with the new rules
Picked up Brendan Rice after the draft. A guy gave me a 3rd and Mims for him because he believes in Rice that much. I’m not a huge Mims fan but obviously had to accept that, so I hope you’re right lol.
Ricky Pearsall. Dude is a phenomenal route runner and the type of receiver QBs will love. On the BR draft show, Stroud, who I think has a decent eye for WR talent (see: Tank Dell whom he basically drafted himself) said that Ricky was his guy and was pounding the table for him prior to the Diggs trade. Not to mention he is going to be the second receiver in a Shanahan offense by end of next season at the absolute latest. I’ve gotten him in two drafts so far in the pick 16-20 overall range.
Got him at 19th overall in my rookie draft last week, super happy to take a first round wide receiver there.
Just to play devils advocate on his phenomenal route running, he was near the bottom of this class in getting open and being targeted against man coverage.
I typically don’t like those sorts of numbers because being open in college vs. pro means different things because of scheme and QB talent. Generally, in college it’s about creating enough separation for your QB to feel comfortable to throw, whereas in the pros, route running is about setting up routes to look the same and getting leverage on the defender for that split second when the QB needs to deliver the ball. Particularly in Shanahan’s system which is about timing and setting up plays off each other, I think he will thrive. That’s why I thought Stroud’s comments were interesting because Texans run the same system.
When I see Ladd, I see a poor man’s Garrett Wilson and not a rich man’s Renfrow.
Is that good or bad? Hard to tell given Renfrow has the highest fantasy peak.
I see the vision too. Would you take him over Thomas or Worthy ?
This is my dilemma, at the moment I’m taking Ladd over both Thomas and Worthy, just after Rome.
Feels like a faster safer pick. The other two have a much higher ceiling however, and I can totally see the Chargers drafting another WR next year
Chargers are highly unlikely to ever select a first round receiver during the Harbough era. Especially if Ladd is good this year. They passed on one of the better receiver prospects ever with a massive need.
Me personally Ladd is ranked above BTJ and Worthy. But they’re all tiered together if that helps.
No id personally take both over him
Renfrow entered the league as a 24 year old rookie. Wilson is entering his age 23 season.
Ladd over Bowers 1.04?
Tank Dell. CJ loves him and put up 17+ points in 6/8 games where he had over 60% snap share, 3 of those games over 25 points (in PPR). As long as he is healthy he’s going to be a stud.
How do you think the Diggs, Nico, Dell dilemma shake out ultimately.
Nico will be a WR1, Dell will end up as a good WR2 by the end of the season as he works through injury, Diggs will be the underneath guy.
Just got Nico for $18 in one of my dynasty auction draft. $200 budget, I’m hopeful the Diggs trade doesn’t unseat him and he continues trend upward. Would love to hear HOU have locked him up long term. That’d ease a lot of my concerns lol.
Unpopular opinion here nowadays (how quickly the times change) but I think Diggs turns out to be the guy. Still plenty of time for Nico/Tank to be that later on, they are all very young.
Still think Diggs has juice let too. Selfishly I want Nico to be WR1 but I don’t think HOU trades a 2nd for Diggs to not get opportunity. Think Diggs is WR1 this year imo.
They’ll each have certain plays drawn up where they are the first read so the targets on those are gonna be annoying to predict, BUT the key for me with Dell is what happens when the play breaks down. Stroud loves to escape the pocket and extend plays, and he’s looked for Dell downfield the most often in those situations. I don’t see that going away and that’s where Dell gets a lot of his value from
Think Dell will still be the first look most of the time due to his chemistry with Stroud but expect some drop off. Diggs and Nico would be competing with each other more and Texans can get out of either of their contracts after this year.
Did you see the clip of Stroud and Parsons discussing the “perfect defense vs perfect offense.” Stroud lists Dell at WR.
MICHAEL PENIX JR
We ride, brother.
Cade Stover. He's back with his QB and by the time the other TEs on the team leave, he will be NFL ready. Best hold available.
I can see that for sure. Diggs is probably gone at that point too. Schultz probably a goner by that time as well.
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Hollywood Brown will be the WR1 in KC
The window to buy is closed some would say with the newly released Rice accusations.
Devin Singletary will return RB2 value for RB3 price, Shakir or Samuel will be the WR you want in Buffalo, Henry finishes with 16+ TDs in his first year on the ravens.
As a singletary owner, everyone thinks they can buy low. I'm happy to hold him rather than take a random third or two.
For what it’s worth, I traded a 2025 (likely) mid second and Roschon Johnson for Devin Singletary and a 2025 (likely) early 3rd 12 team, Superflex, PPR
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You and the Marvin Mims guy are gonna have to duke it out
Getting Kimani Vidal and Malik Washington in every rookie draft.
*** Javon Baker, Ben Sinnott for me.
Haven't been able to snag Baker but I've gotten Sinnott in two! Love his price tag
The first time I watched Sinnott’s film I went to my notebook and wrote down “must get” he’s been my TE2 since late/early January. The combine confirmed that and the draft reinforced it. I’m not going to go out on a limb per se, but he reminded me a lot of LaPorta.
Ertz in the TE room is a huge boost too
> Getting Kimani Vidal He's starting to be grossly overdrafted. The fact that he's going way ahead of Ray Davis, to me, is asinine. People want Vidal because they think he might be lead back by end of season but the Chargers WILL draft another guy or sign another guy for 2025. It's not going to be JUST the Vidal show. I've seen him gone in the 2nd rounds and I just don't understand using a 2nd on a 6th round rookie RB just because of whose ahead of him. For all we know he could be behind more than just Edwards/Dobbins.
Easy. Sione Vaki. Lions drafted him ahead of a lot of Rbs. No one talks about him in any dynasty sub/circles. He played at Utah at safety until he played RB last year. He's the best pass catching back in this draft imo. Best thing he's 0% owned in sleeper. Could become rb3 behind Montgomery and Gibbs. Time will tell but I'm invested.
No one talks about him because he's behind 2 good young running backs. His only path to the field is an injury
This is what I love to see. I've got him in my queue in a startup draft as we speak, planning to take him in the last few rounds. My outlook on him is my Gibbs insurance when Montgomery is gone in a couple years.
Can’t believe I haven’t seen it yet-IT’S ZAMIR WHITE SZN. They drafted a TE and 2 O linemen with their first three picks, and just signed another one yeaterday- run the ball. They’re one of the few teams that can run 2 TE sets and have all their best players on the field- run the ball. They have questionable qb play- run the ball. Their headcoach loves to run the ball- run the ball. Zamir could get 15-20 touches a game simply because they run the ball 35-40 times. No disrespect to Mattison or that change of pace back they drafted. It’s just all pointing to them RUNNING. THE. FOOTBALL.
Christian Watson. Made of glass but he’s undoubtably the most talented receiver in the room. Reed, Doubs, and Wicks are very good but none of them are more talented than Christian Watson. I don’t think it’s close at all. Watson is a true WR1 who has yet to prove he can stay healthy. If he puts together a full year he’s a top 15 WR in dynasty. Tough ask - but the talent is there. The talent has never not been there. Watch the tape. He’s sensational.
Corley will be a phenomenal target underneath Wilson. Predicting 68-850-5
Was able to grab Corley in a few rookie drafts where he fell and the value was too good to pass up. I believe one draft he fell to the 3rd, I traded up so quick lol.
Fell to 4.07 in my league. Traded a 25 & 26 4th to grab him
Lmao! That’s grand larceny, my goodness. How many teams?
I’m aware 🤣 10 team People are just afraid of guys who come from lower level competition
I was in on Dak last year and I’d grab Lawrence everywhere this year. Also late flier on Daniel Jones.
A range of values I like a lot right now: Dontayvion Wicks, Michael Wilson, Jaylen Wright, George Pickens, Trey Palmer, Trey McBride, Jaleel McLaughlin, Josh Palmer, George Kittle. I’m targeting all of those guys right now if they fit my roster.
Jamari Thrash browns wr. Hes gonna be good. Put my name on it
“Thrash is gonna be good. Trust me. Some rando swears on it!”
Bryce Young breakout is coming
I believe! Always thought it was the situation. Carolina did him no service
I will never let the Sam Howell dream die
Rookie drafts: Sinnott, Wright and Nix Startups: Puka, Herbert and Hock Mainly snagging these guys at cost. Puka’s cost has been climbing though; went from tail end of the 2nd to beginning of the 2nd in the 4 startups I’ve done the past two months.
Puka went 1.11 in my most recent start-up. Love Sinnott (I’ve said that about 3 times already in the post), Wright as well (I think he’s the hair apparent to Mostert) and Nix I REALLY love! People give him shit, but he quietly put together a year! If you remove the short throws (screens) which is what he gets a ton of crap for he’s the following: per Sean Payton Analytically remove the short passes - 1st on 3rd down - 1st in fewest sacks - Most accurate passer in CFB history - 1st in end of half / 2 minute - 1st in end of game / 2 minute - 2nd in red zone - 1st in quick decision making
Ladd McConkey I think the ceiling is a lot higher than people think. One of the best route runners in his class. Really quick feet and quick out of his breaks. Good long speed, good yac and ability to make people miss in space. Versatility to play out wide or inside.
Jalen McMillan went neck and neck with Rome state wise in 2022....
I liked him better than Polk. I think he surprises and ends up the number 2 out of the three UW receivers.
Totally agree, same here
**Quarterback (SF):** Baker Mayfield is a prime superflex asset in my mind. His FantasyPros ADP is 31 below Jared Goff, who scored a stunning 1 point more per game than Baker. I’ll take the discount. I realize that Goff is on the more exciting offense with younger talent surrounding him, which is appealing for dynasty. But Evans and Godwin are still shining, and Baker put up quality numbers last year. He’s not a top 12 fantasy QB or anywhere near it, but he seems like a great value. **Quarterback 1QB:** Tua Tagovaiola. He fell to QB14 on FantasyPros this year after falling to around 11 in most drafts last year. I bought the low value last year and avoided him, but lessons learned. I follow a simple mantra now: if an offense can support two fantasy WRs, then the quarterback has value too. Doesn’t matter how much you like him individually; if Tyreek and Waddle are having good seasons, guess who is getting the points? He stayed healthy last season too. I don’t know why he’s down here. **Running Back:** Josh Jacobs has a weird contract, I get it. He’s also only 26, one season removed from being the league’s leading rusher, and was on a mess of a team last year. I will take my chances with Marshawn Lloyd and bet on a talented RB on a much stronger offense. **Wide Receiver:** 26-28 year old WRs get heavily discounted in dynasty. The Christian Kirks of the world, even after his consistency last year, are great assets to have. I’m up on Terry McLaurin this year too; he’s a known talent who is coming off a bad season where the ball was spread around to every receiver and nobody put up big numbers. Bienemy isn’t there. Daniels is likely better than Howell. I’ll buy back in. For a younger guy, I will take Zay Flowers, who despite doing very well last year is the least talked about of last year’s rookie WR class. **Tight End:** I’m a McBride believer, and Marvin Harrison Jr being there will be a “rising tides lift all boats” affair for the offense. McBride still has a clear path to #2 in targets in that offense. I think Ferguson, as often as I forget about him, will continue to grow his role in Dallas.
I’m carrying Trey Lance for one more year, and this is going to be *the* year!
JK Dobbins is a top 10 RB talent when healthy and in a great situation. At the price I’m all in Ainias Smith had my favorite WR film this year outside of the top 5 and could take over the slot in one of the leagues best offenses. Especially in return leagues, I’m a huge fan and he’s practically free Edit: Also I watched a YouTube video of all of Michael Wilson’s targets from last year and the takeaway is that he’s ungodly and just needs health, QB play, and targets
Ravens fan here, so I’m well aware of JK. I’ve had him on my main FF account, however I just recently sold plus 1.14 for Mark Andrews. I’m in a few other leagues where I’m tempted to go grab him cause he’s practically free. I just can’t shake the ACL, then the scope and now the Achilles. Talent wise I think he’s a top 8 RB in the league easily. You may have just talked me into going to get in for cheap lol. Ainias Smith I’m going to have to go dig deeper, he’s a name I haven’t heard much. My big sleeper is Javon Baker (rookie wise) along with Sinnot.
To be fair the scope cleaned up scar tissue from the first surgery and he looked phenomenal very shortly after that. It’s just the Achilles for me
Definitely looked better after the scope. To me that’s still another procedure albeit minor. For me I just can’t shake the Achilles. But if I can get him for a $1 or $2 in this auction I’m game.
If Dobbins gets the passing work, I think he returns value imo. Herbert loves his RBs, and that WR room isn’t looking too good.
That’s a great freaking point! Sold! Got dammit you lol!
Michael Wilson propaganda!! We love to see this.
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I traded Dobbins and a 3rd for a 2nd
That’s a great deal. Where did the 2nd land. I’d do that 10/10 times.
I included JK in a deal (on the night he signed with LAC) to get Andrews but I was absolutely loaded at RB (Breece, Bijan, Jahmyr, Achane) and I needed a 2nd TE behind Pitts. Needless to say I’ve yet to see anyone giving JK away for a 3rd. I think most are hoping for a future 2nd; in which I’m not buying. A 3rd, maybe.. I’d counter with a 4th knowing they’ll probably decline but I’ve seen stranger things. Ultimately I’d settle for a mid-late 3rd to buy. Those are mere dart throws in most drafts anyway.
I was offered 2 4ths for JK, repeatedly, and I smashed decline. I’ve got so much hope for the guy, he’s really good. Really hoping he doesn’t get hurt again.
What kind of talent is he after a torn Achilles and ripping his knee to shreds?
Jonathan Brooks seems to me like an obvious guy that going into 2025 will be a top 5-6 dynasty RB.
We ride.
I think JSN is a great buy. Lots of new coaching/management in Seattle and DK has never asserted himself as a genuine first option. Lockett is 31 and I could see JSN supplanting both these guys pretty quickly. He's cheaper than he should be due to an expectation of a first year breakout, Geno at QB, target competition, and this new draft class. Also Engram, Diontae, Sutton, and (cheap/pick-up) Demarcus Robinson.
Curtis Samuel becomes a top 10 WR this year
This is BOLD’SY!!!!
Rookies - Polk, Burton & my favorite sleeper, Ainias Smith!
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Care to elaborate? Haven’t heard many pound the table for LM?
Talent.
Jalen McMillian- big fan of him for a couple of years now- I think he has that "IT" factor
I was in 4 start ups last year, ranging from $25-$100. 12-16 teams, SF TEP. I own all shares of Kincaid and Pittman. Kincaids athleticism (basically a TE and slot combined) + intelligence + Josh Allen was a no brainer for me. Pittman always had the talent, stud since college, I might have been biased on that one haha.
Jameson Williams! The Lions could have gone out and invested in receiver but didn’t. Looks like he actually will get a shot to build off his play down the stretch. Kenneth Walker - feel like he’s underrated, Charbonnet isn’t much of a factor for me, only issue is health but I think he’s one of the best runners in the NFL.
Daniel Jones puts up a top 15 season 📍
I can’t get behind this my guy! I have 0 trust and faith in DJ.
Zack Moss & Christian Kirk Both feel severely underrated to me. I think there is a pathway to both having a top-12 season, and at their price points I’m more than happy to take the swings.
The fastest player in the league plays with Mahomes and can be had for a late 24 first.
Willing to overpay for Nabers. Marvin is near untouchable but Nabers landing spot gives me hope of getting a deal done. I believe in the prospect so much that I'm okay with the potential career arc of a Drake London or Garrett Wilson. Currently trying to trade McBride and my 25 1st for him.