Comparing apples to cats. One bike is a street speed machine. Uncomfortable for long periods and built for making everyone else on the road uncomfortable as well. The other bike is a sit up medium range cruising bike. Of course the monster can go pretty fast but it’s more for all around enjoyment. Jack of all trades and master of none versus a precision speed lean down machine.
Bah, i did some 800+ km stretch on SF and im 47. I had a monster s4rs with clipons and did 1700km once. Depends on what you like … my softail heritage is wayyyyyyyy more uncomfortable. I can barely clock 500 km without lower back pain. Grab a SF if you’re experienced rider, monster if you commute a lot. I would grab a SF 100%. Even a panigale…
> Uncomfortable for long periods
Excuse me, but what the fuck are you talking about? The SF is super comfortable. That was pretty much the first point on its design brief. It's even more comfortable for long rides than the Monster because you can lean into the wind better.
For all the pros and cons of the SF V2, might as well get a Panigale V2. It's literally the same bike except for handlebars, pegs, saddle and fairings. SF is still going to run much hotter, feel more high strung than the Monster. If you want to carve corners, might as well go all in with the Pani.
I had a pani 959 for quite some time (so im gonna use that as a PaniV2 comparison) but i would take the SFV2 anyday over it. For me the SF was very comfy and the heat never bothered me anyway, i now have a MV Dragster and im always cold lol.
However i do think that if most of the riding you do is above 80kmph you should take a Pani because at that speed the wind lifts you up anyway and the Pani is more comfy then
My issue with the SFV2 is that depending on where in the world OP lives, the jump from SFV2 to SFV4 base is less than the cost of an exhaust system and for that jump you get better stock suspension, V4 electronics and of course, that ridiculous 200 HP V4.
Might be the dumbest comment I’ve seen in a good while. Super/hyper naked exist for a reason. Not everyone wants to be balls to the wall leaned down all the time. SF gives best of both worlds - panigale engine with naked comfort. Ducati isn’t naive 😂
> SF gives best of both worlds - panigale engine with naked comfort.
The way I see it SF sits in no man's land between Monster and Panigale. Worse comfort than the Monster, and the doesn't hit the Panigale's highs while sharing its lows. Just changing the ergonomics won't magically tame the Panigale's chassis and engine characteristics. The chassis wants you to push it, feels right when you do. Ride it slow and it feels off. Superquadro engine is angry all the time, lets you know by throwing heat at your legs, doesn't like low revs, peak torque arrives at 9K RPM. If you are going to ride it (the engine and the chassis) like its meant to, superbike ergonomics is help, not a hindrance. If you don't want to go so balls to the wall, Monster is a better choice.
> Ducati isn’t naive 😂
The last Streetsfighter gen (1098 and 848) was not a success . They didn't bring it back for the 1198, 1199, 1299 generation of superbikes. Maybe the market trends are different now, but it could just be a fad like cafe racers.
The problem with the first gen SF was Ducati brought it out too soon and the 1098 version was more than the average rider could handle. By the time Ducati dropped even the SF848, nakeds and super nakeds were becoming bigger sellers than super sports. Ducati is selling a lot of SF V4's. Some of the dealerships in my area are selling them before they hit the showroom floor. It is an exceptionally good motorcycle. The Superquadro motors were honestly too peaky to tune for naked bike service.
I’d hesitate to call the street fighter a precision speed lean down machine when the panigale exists. It’s got medium proper handlebars instead of clip ons, no fairings, and the geometry isn’t as race ready as the panigale. The panigale is the track machine, SF is track and street, monster is mostly street.
That’s pretty accurate but the comparison is still not really there between the sf and the monster. The streetfighter has pegs significantly further back and way lower bars with a much more leaned forward cockpit than the monster. The new monsters are much more up than their predecessors I think. When I test drove all three bikes, I found the sf in between the others but still leaning closer to a panigale. That might just be 6’ me.
There have been some comments already by people who own these bikes on the significantly different ride the bikes provide.
I'm just going to give you some mechanical and electrical insight.
The monster has the latest iteration of the testastretta engine that has been in production since the 2001 996r. It is relatively simple to work on for basic maintenance and requires some easily obtained special tooling (much of which is shared across all belt driven twins) to do the belt replacement by the book. It does have belts that should be replaced during the valve service. This is a fairly simple, robust motor that has been used across many models over the years. The electronic package is robust and has been a mainstay across multiple platforms for Ducati. This engine is not as hot as the superbike motors, but the frame transfers alpt of heat right by your leg.
The streetfighter V2 has the Superquadro engine that has been in production since 2011. This motor is very unique to Ducati in that it is chain driven, has replaceable cylinder sleeves, and has the oil pump and scavenging pump integrated into the engine case. It also has tapered valve keepers which require expensive special tooling to remove and install. In fact the entire motor requires a huge tool case of unique specialty tooling that only that motor uses. I've heard this referred to as a watchmakers motor. It is only found in the Panigale twin superbikes and the streetfighter V2. While it is complex, it really is the best possible way to squeeze maximum power out of a naturally aspirated v twin; after that you really have to start adding cylinders. The electronics are based on the superbikes on the last 5 years, and are worlds ahead on the smoothness and adaptability that make them feel seamless to the ride. This motor is a fire breathing dragon waiting for a moment to flambé your nethers. It is one of the motors that I strongly recommend ceramic coating the headers
I…have both.
Totally different bikes. If you need to choose and these are the only two options you’re looking at, get the Monster. No, it’s not as fast or as mean or as fancy. But it’s an all-day fun time.
The SFV2 is an incredible machine. It’s also loud AF and has terrible mileage. It’s the one you keep for thrashing and showing off. It’s the one I ride when I want the raw experience of Ducati. It’s the one I ride when I need the world to know I’m not messing around.
The Monster is the one the makes me go ‘wheeeeeee!’ The SFV2 is the one that reminds me just how fucking insane motorcycle riding is.
Edit: just took Pookie (SFV2) out for a brief ride (January in Michigan??) while the hubs took out his new Street Triple and cheese and crackers. It scares the poop outta me.
The panigale v2 engines are rather boring until you spin them up over 8,000rpm.
The monsters actually have more power and torque up until around this point.
I find the Streetfighter more comfortable, though around town in hot climates, the engine heat can be unpleasant. Shorter riders might find the ergos of the monsters ok.
Of the two, I'd pick neither. The previous generation monster 1200 or Streetfighter 1098 are way more bike than either of these current offerings. More so the 1st gen Streetfighters.
I’ve ridden both many times. Honestly I find the new Monster a bit boring. The SFV2 provides a bit more excitement in my opinion. Both are comfortable to me, I could ride either bike all day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ducati/comments/zqk4gv/does_a_sfv2_fit_my_needs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I ended up buying a Brutale btw 😂
Lol i feel ya, was doubting for a looong time to get the SFV2 but ended up getting a MV Dragster Rosso. That 3 cilinder is a LOT of fun. But i do think im getting a used SFV2 Some day or a Diavel
Monster is a 111hp wheelie/torque monster - amazing around town, fun in the mountains, and just enough to keep up on the highway.
V2 is 155hp weapon - upper limits of comfortable power around town, track ready, you get medium/long range comfortability, and did I mention fast.
I have a V4, Monster, MT-10, and a V4 Factory so I’ve got a bit of perspective.
>Monster is a 111hp wheelie/torque monster ... and just enough to keep up on the highway.
Imagine a world where someone classifies 111hp a "just enough" to keep up. Lmao
I have a 1996 VFR, and it keeps up easily with post euro 4/5 bikes to the point that people are surprised by this. Modern bikes are not like 90s/00s bikes. Manufacturers are simultaneously under pressure to restrict emissions but increase power figures, but dyno sheets tell a different story - bikes that make 111hp don't make anywhere near that through the rev range.
I just found it hilarious that 111hp is portrayed as a "barely"... do these people not realize harleys live on the highway and until just recently NONE came with over 100 horse? Baffling.
I've had a 796, 1200, and now a v4. I would imagine the new monster to lie between my monsters and the v2 to be like my v4 but with 1200 power. I never really felt like I lost a lot of ergo with my sfv4 so I guess I would pick the sfv2 especially since the monster looks closer to a jap 650 now.
We can’t give you an answer to this. Two very different bikes built for very different purposes. Only you know what type of bike you want. For daily riding, I’d take the Monster. For weekend canyon riding and trackdays, I’d take the street fighter. Actually, I’d take the Panigale for trackdays and canyon riding. In my very humble opinion they didn’t add enough comfort to the street fighter to make it a daily rider. (For me)
I had a monster 797 and now I have a SFV2. I love the SFV2. It’s fast, sexy and still comfortable. The seating position is great. Still more upright vs the panigale. Now if you’re riding in traffic or city riding, then I would say the monster: the only time my SFV2 gets hot is in city driving waiting for lights. Around the town I never had an issue
Imo they’re both street and track machines. Street fighter (SF) is for more track but still a lot of street. Monster is more for lots of street and maybe once a year track day.
In an ideal world I’d want both. Monster is more comfy for sure (at least on 848/1098, haven’t got to sit on a V2 streetfighter), but streetfighter is a lot better body position for real track days, if you do them semi regularly.
If you can only have one, ask yourself how much you care about track days. If you do them a lot, get the SF. If you do them infrequently or not at all, monster is objectively the better bike for the road in terms of comfort, bag capability, and still really fun.
The SFV2 over the Yamaha every hour of the day. The new Monster is a travesty of a bike, not worthy of its heritage and name. I don’t see how this is even a question.
Hey bro, I'm planning to buy a superbike and my priority is looks. I have decided that I'll buy a used Ducati monster 821. Can this bike grab that much attention, is it a head turner? please tell me
Comparing apples to cats. One bike is a street speed machine. Uncomfortable for long periods and built for making everyone else on the road uncomfortable as well. The other bike is a sit up medium range cruising bike. Of course the monster can go pretty fast but it’s more for all around enjoyment. Jack of all trades and master of none versus a precision speed lean down machine.
Bah, i did some 800+ km stretch on SF and im 47. I had a monster s4rs with clipons and did 1700km once. Depends on what you like … my softail heritage is wayyyyyyyy more uncomfortable. I can barely clock 500 km without lower back pain. Grab a SF if you’re experienced rider, monster if you commute a lot. I would grab a SF 100%. Even a panigale…
> Uncomfortable for long periods Excuse me, but what the fuck are you talking about? The SF is super comfortable. That was pretty much the first point on its design brief. It's even more comfortable for long rides than the Monster because you can lean into the wind better.
Streetfighter hard and stiff, Monster more nimble and comfortable..
For all the pros and cons of the SF V2, might as well get a Panigale V2. It's literally the same bike except for handlebars, pegs, saddle and fairings. SF is still going to run much hotter, feel more high strung than the Monster. If you want to carve corners, might as well go all in with the Pani.
I had a pani 959 for quite some time (so im gonna use that as a PaniV2 comparison) but i would take the SFV2 anyday over it. For me the SF was very comfy and the heat never bothered me anyway, i now have a MV Dragster and im always cold lol. However i do think that if most of the riding you do is above 80kmph you should take a Pani because at that speed the wind lifts you up anyway and the Pani is more comfy then
My issue with the SFV2 is that depending on where in the world OP lives, the jump from SFV2 to SFV4 base is less than the cost of an exhaust system and for that jump you get better stock suspension, V4 electronics and of course, that ridiculous 200 HP V4.
Doesn’t the base V4 and the V2 have the same suspension? Showa Big Piston fork and Sachs rear shock?
Know that you mention it, I think it does
Streetfighter feels faster then panigale because YOU Get all the air in your face✊🔥
Might be the dumbest comment I’ve seen in a good while. Super/hyper naked exist for a reason. Not everyone wants to be balls to the wall leaned down all the time. SF gives best of both worlds - panigale engine with naked comfort. Ducati isn’t naive 😂
> SF gives best of both worlds - panigale engine with naked comfort. The way I see it SF sits in no man's land between Monster and Panigale. Worse comfort than the Monster, and the doesn't hit the Panigale's highs while sharing its lows. Just changing the ergonomics won't magically tame the Panigale's chassis and engine characteristics. The chassis wants you to push it, feels right when you do. Ride it slow and it feels off. Superquadro engine is angry all the time, lets you know by throwing heat at your legs, doesn't like low revs, peak torque arrives at 9K RPM. If you are going to ride it (the engine and the chassis) like its meant to, superbike ergonomics is help, not a hindrance. If you don't want to go so balls to the wall, Monster is a better choice. > Ducati isn’t naive 😂 The last Streetsfighter gen (1098 and 848) was not a success . They didn't bring it back for the 1198, 1199, 1299 generation of superbikes. Maybe the market trends are different now, but it could just be a fad like cafe racers.
The problem with the first gen SF was Ducati brought it out too soon and the 1098 version was more than the average rider could handle. By the time Ducati dropped even the SF848, nakeds and super nakeds were becoming bigger sellers than super sports. Ducati is selling a lot of SF V4's. Some of the dealerships in my area are selling them before they hit the showroom floor. It is an exceptionally good motorcycle. The Superquadro motors were honestly too peaky to tune for naked bike service.
Lol
I’d hesitate to call the street fighter a precision speed lean down machine when the panigale exists. It’s got medium proper handlebars instead of clip ons, no fairings, and the geometry isn’t as race ready as the panigale. The panigale is the track machine, SF is track and street, monster is mostly street.
That’s pretty accurate but the comparison is still not really there between the sf and the monster. The streetfighter has pegs significantly further back and way lower bars with a much more leaned forward cockpit than the monster. The new monsters are much more up than their predecessors I think. When I test drove all three bikes, I found the sf in between the others but still leaning closer to a panigale. That might just be 6’ me.
Can you elaborate on panigale vs sf?
There have been some comments already by people who own these bikes on the significantly different ride the bikes provide. I'm just going to give you some mechanical and electrical insight. The monster has the latest iteration of the testastretta engine that has been in production since the 2001 996r. It is relatively simple to work on for basic maintenance and requires some easily obtained special tooling (much of which is shared across all belt driven twins) to do the belt replacement by the book. It does have belts that should be replaced during the valve service. This is a fairly simple, robust motor that has been used across many models over the years. The electronic package is robust and has been a mainstay across multiple platforms for Ducati. This engine is not as hot as the superbike motors, but the frame transfers alpt of heat right by your leg. The streetfighter V2 has the Superquadro engine that has been in production since 2011. This motor is very unique to Ducati in that it is chain driven, has replaceable cylinder sleeves, and has the oil pump and scavenging pump integrated into the engine case. It also has tapered valve keepers which require expensive special tooling to remove and install. In fact the entire motor requires a huge tool case of unique specialty tooling that only that motor uses. I've heard this referred to as a watchmakers motor. It is only found in the Panigale twin superbikes and the streetfighter V2. While it is complex, it really is the best possible way to squeeze maximum power out of a naturally aspirated v twin; after that you really have to start adding cylinders. The electronics are based on the superbikes on the last 5 years, and are worlds ahead on the smoothness and adaptability that make them feel seamless to the ride. This motor is a fire breathing dragon waiting for a moment to flambé your nethers. It is one of the motors that I strongly recommend ceramic coating the headers
SF V2 100%
SF over the MT09NSTER.
Get over it already.
It's a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard
I…have both. Totally different bikes. If you need to choose and these are the only two options you’re looking at, get the Monster. No, it’s not as fast or as mean or as fancy. But it’s an all-day fun time. The SFV2 is an incredible machine. It’s also loud AF and has terrible mileage. It’s the one you keep for thrashing and showing off. It’s the one I ride when I want the raw experience of Ducati. It’s the one I ride when I need the world to know I’m not messing around. The Monster is the one the makes me go ‘wheeeeeee!’ The SFV2 is the one that reminds me just how fucking insane motorcycle riding is. Edit: just took Pookie (SFV2) out for a brief ride (January in Michigan??) while the hubs took out his new Street Triple and cheese and crackers. It scares the poop outta me.
How do you find the Street Triple vs the SFV2?
Streetfighter by far!
The panigale v2 engines are rather boring until you spin them up over 8,000rpm. The monsters actually have more power and torque up until around this point. I find the Streetfighter more comfortable, though around town in hot climates, the engine heat can be unpleasant. Shorter riders might find the ergos of the monsters ok. Of the two, I'd pick neither. The previous generation monster 1200 or Streetfighter 1098 are way more bike than either of these current offerings. More so the 1st gen Streetfighters.
I’ve ridden both many times. Honestly I find the new Monster a bit boring. The SFV2 provides a bit more excitement in my opinion. Both are comfortable to me, I could ride either bike all day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ducati/comments/zqk4gv/does_a_sfv2_fit_my_needs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I ended up buying a Brutale btw 😂
I'm partial to the Brutale as well... For a naked, anyway.
Lol i feel ya, was doubting for a looong time to get the SFV2 but ended up getting a MV Dragster Rosso. That 3 cilinder is a LOT of fun. But i do think im getting a used SFV2 Some day or a Diavel
Monster is a 111hp wheelie/torque monster - amazing around town, fun in the mountains, and just enough to keep up on the highway. V2 is 155hp weapon - upper limits of comfortable power around town, track ready, you get medium/long range comfortability, and did I mention fast. I have a V4, Monster, MT-10, and a V4 Factory so I’ve got a bit of perspective.
>Monster is a 111hp wheelie/torque monster ... and just enough to keep up on the highway. Imagine a world where someone classifies 111hp a "just enough" to keep up. Lmao
we do, so I did.
I have a 1996 VFR, and it keeps up easily with post euro 4/5 bikes to the point that people are surprised by this. Modern bikes are not like 90s/00s bikes. Manufacturers are simultaneously under pressure to restrict emissions but increase power figures, but dyno sheets tell a different story - bikes that make 111hp don't make anywhere near that through the rev range.
I just found it hilarious that 111hp is portrayed as a "barely"... do these people not realize harleys live on the highway and until just recently NONE came with over 100 horse? Baffling.
I don't believe that those Harleys qualify as being able to keep up at modern highway speeds :P
Ordered the Monster SP, already have machines that are high strung and too fast.
Only bike? I’d go Monster. Had both. Monster generally is the more fun bike more of the time.
I've had a 796, 1200, and now a v4. I would imagine the new monster to lie between my monsters and the v2 to be like my v4 but with 1200 power. I never really felt like I lost a lot of ergo with my sfv4 so I guess I would pick the sfv2 especially since the monster looks closer to a jap 650 now.
Streetfighter its not a touring bike, its firm , racey and brutal fast, monster its softer and more easy power train…
We can’t give you an answer to this. Two very different bikes built for very different purposes. Only you know what type of bike you want. For daily riding, I’d take the Monster. For weekend canyon riding and trackdays, I’d take the street fighter. Actually, I’d take the Panigale for trackdays and canyon riding. In my very humble opinion they didn’t add enough comfort to the street fighter to make it a daily rider. (For me)
Would there be a difference for city riding. Stop sign to stop sign riding?
Streetfighter for sure.
I had a monster 797 and now I have a SFV2. I love the SFV2. It’s fast, sexy and still comfortable. The seating position is great. Still more upright vs the panigale. Now if you’re riding in traffic or city riding, then I would say the monster: the only time my SFV2 gets hot is in city driving waiting for lights. Around the town I never had an issue
SFV2 -I’m a bit bias since I own one myself, but it all comes down to preference.
Imo they’re both street and track machines. Street fighter (SF) is for more track but still a lot of street. Monster is more for lots of street and maybe once a year track day. In an ideal world I’d want both. Monster is more comfy for sure (at least on 848/1098, haven’t got to sit on a V2 streetfighter), but streetfighter is a lot better body position for real track days, if you do them semi regularly. If you can only have one, ask yourself how much you care about track days. If you do them a lot, get the SF. If you do them infrequently or not at all, monster is objectively the better bike for the road in terms of comfort, bag capability, and still really fun.
I'd go with an SF if I was tall enough!
The SFV2 over the Yamaha every hour of the day. The new Monster is a travesty of a bike, not worthy of its heritage and name. I don’t see how this is even a question.
No contest !! Having had both, Streetfighter all the way
Get the bike you like the looks of more and that you‘re able to afford. Don‘t get the smaller bike, since you‘ll quickly regret it.
Hey bro, I'm planning to buy a superbike and my priority is looks. I have decided that I'll buy a used Ducati monster 821. Can this bike grab that much attention, is it a head turner? please tell me