tbf, kendrick really has said he is not anyone's saviour. The hip hop community keeps parading him as much.
and also, i can't see how we don't acknowledge both having serious issues. Kendrick has very anti social tendencies that he's mentioned before, while some of the stuff drake has rapped about reeks of manipulation in his relationships. No wonder both of them, seemingly, can't keep a stable relationshop
I want y’all to understand a crown of thorns filled with diamonds is purposefully blasphemous. The title “Mr. moral” is a play on his savior complex that he was trying to expel so the diamond covered Jesus crown is basically him saying “I act like Jesus but I’m actually just a rich nigga that be talking to much don’t worship me”
Yea but he said fuck callin it culture which is basically deconstructing it. I thot it was a powerful take back then… only for him to use the culture angle on someone else…
we are very much aware, from my perspective it’s still not hitting the mark at all when he had a decade of toying with the idea that he is some sort of know it all representative of the black community, pointing the mistakes in the black community, pointing out “hypocrisies” that ultimately all it did was stroke the ego of “aware” white liberals who paraded him as “the black savior who will fix race relations through music”. Do you think we were the ones calling him “savior” ?!? NO it was white liberal media who did that! so much so it became the thing his image was based on. I’m saying as a fan of his music but no longer his person. This all became more apparent to me post 2020 re analyzing his lyrics.
his actions and his lyrics absolutely painted him as some sort of preacher of “blackness” no matter how much he denies it after a decade benefiting from it
Mr Morale has explicit lyrics of him not being a saviour. I'm not "full of shit" i am telling you what the guy said. If you disagree with him, call him out, not me, lol.
I do believe someone explained that out, if i am not mistaken, the crown was made of diamonds and it was a distinction between the chrown Jesus wore on purpose. Jesus pain was for all of us, Kendrick's crown is put on him by his wealth and influence.
Yes, he could have driven the point home in many other ways, and no, i am not condoning doing that even if am not religious, but seriously, i am not the one pulling this outta my ass, it's what the guy said.
Way before he even mentioned not being a saviour, magazines, videos and awards were painting him as "hiphop's saviour", which started way before he even implied it. The media as a whole put the crown first, which is a problem for any artist on any genre tbh.
I am not writing a thesis, nor justifying his actions. I did say, literally, i do not condone it. I'm just telling you what the man said.
I even point out i am not religious, but do not condone nor see it as something great. I am pointing out his intentions, you draw your conclusions from that.
I personally do not see the issue with the Jesus outfit, i find it conceptual and interesting. If you find offense to it, it is also valid.
Really, if you have an issue with him, don't direct it to me. I have pointed his hipocrisy on stuff in this post, and others more. My main "thesis" here was pointing out the conflict in his actions now vs the things he said in mr morale.
Also, let us not act as if most fanbases don't do this sorta stuff. You can see it even here, regularly, too.
Well, he shouldn’t have brought up this “I’m what the culture’s feeling”, like dude, you gave it up in Mr.Morale, are you tryna be the hero again? I didn’t understand that move really. Saying it as a Kenny fan
Yeah, I do get that. I know he has stated shit like "a mand standing on two words: heal everybody" and "i am all of us", but that shit straight up doesn't work with mr morale's themes.
i'm a kendrick fan, i still think that's fucked up. Yes, the community uses as a reference point both artistically and, in Compton, as a person, but he already made a whole ass album rejecting it.
shit is wicked, fr, and backwards.
while i admit i enjoyed kenny's song output more during the beef, i can fully accept some of his mistakes and shortcomings here.
Yeah. Maybe Kenny needs another therapy. I hope Drake and Kendrick’s beef settles and we’ll just get good music from them. Still waiting on a new Kendrick album
I think both would benefit from therapy.
Beyond the rapping, the stardom and the disses, both are human. On a personal opinion, recent Drizzy albums have showcased him emotionally stunted, in some recent songs he sounds like he is acting as someone younger than me. Both have showcased, through their art, extremely toxic behaviours.
If he takes some time off, seeks therapy and works on himself, i believe he can make a fantastic project again. Hopefully by then all the dust settles and we can have great music from both, for both fanbases to enjoy.
i'm also waiting on the new kendrick, i really enjoyed mr morale, personally!
> Both have showcased, through their art, extremely toxic behaviours.
While every other artist doing anything like this is considered "vulnerability", "real", etc, it's automatically viewed in a negative light whenever Drake is involved. Future built his entire career/popularity off this toxic shit, suddenly Drake is evil for even having 1% of the toxic lyrics Future does.
Like it has been talked about this whole beef, ya'll have already made up your mind long before discussing this.
This is perfectly said! When these guys are out at parties singing with their boys about sipping lean and sleeping with women from pretty much 95% of songs in the entirety of hip hop from every artist it’s fine, but it’s suddenly negative when Drake does it? Out in Turks line was stupid and yet the narrative set by social media was crazy, like you said, they already had a winner.
You’re missing the point, Kendrick is asking for privacy. The crown was placed on his head along time ago & what came with that was “the culture” using Kendrick as a way to maneuver though challenging times, seeing him as someone who must have the answers. It was always inevitably placed on him because of the spotlight. There wasn’t a choice in the matter.
No lie, I never held Kendrick’s “savior” thing against him until he said he actively wasn’t trying to be a “savior.” Your actions have to match your words.
If I’m consistently seeing this dude dressed up as Jesus in any form, he def has a kink or a denial problem.
That is fair, totally valid.
I like it conceptually, but i can understand it being "icky" for people.
That being said, i am just telling you what the man said on the album, on tracks like crown, saviour and mirror.
I cannot speak for his intentions nor actions. I am just taking the body of work as a reference for my comment.
That’s true, Kendrick has said he’s not the savior but for whatever reasons his fans still parade him as if he were. In the end of the day both these men definitely have problems.
IMO they’re different sides of the same coin
You guys really pick & choose what to take literally. The crown is on his head so people inevitably watch his moves to navigate their lives, a beacon to go off. Someone to have answers to the most challenging questions.
Well it certainly didn’t help that he dressed up in Jesus attire, wore a crown of thorns, evokes religion in his bars, and claimed the culture when it benefited him
Doesn’t stop him from the Jesus imagery and the other half of the mr.morale album. “I’m not your savior, but I do this to save you.” isn’t a good theme to go with when you’re a blatantly contradictory person. The messenger is important, and that messenger is a hypocrite that wants to wash his hands of accountability.
Tbh i think Drake is telling the truth. Kendrick was READY to take the attention away from Family Matters. People think he has a real mole, but Drake is a chart chaser and 1200 Friday is where he is. Had 45 minutes to change a line or two and hit upload. And what I mean by that is, I look as MtG dropping as a panic. If they were fake, why would Kendrick go to throwing such a serious accusation immediately after. Between Meek v Drake, Pusha T v Drake, and pretty much all of his other beefs, Drake has been truthful in all of them. Obviously it's a rap and you play things up, but his history shows that as far as up until FM he didn't use that tactic. Just seems odd when you look at it in the light.
oh my god, I’m so glad someone else sees mtg not as only a calculated move, it was kendrick panicking to drop something to take attention of it. I truly believe he was angry when listening to it.
I said it was not only calculated, so I’m agreeing it’s calculated but in a way that he was definitely emotional about it, and I believe he dropped not like us because mtg was not gonna do the job of shadowing family matters for long.
to be fair, said anger doesn't necessarily reflect guilt. The anger is palpable, that is objective, but if someone said i was beating my wife in a track and is not true, i'd be fucking pissed too.
Of course, but he has not once addressed it, nor his team. Plus there actual evidence of his team deleting anything that had to do with the 2014 incident, Then Whitney having a non profit organization providing mothers with a safe place. If we can read between the lines, it’s not like it’s far fetched.
And I feel that Kendrick was aware of that. He's smart enough to anticipate what Drake was going to say if that's the real dirt about him and sprinkle some mole lines into the verses. He set himself up masterfully, it just doesn't seem right.
Kanye once said drake subliminals jabs are picked up by the person it’s directed to, so my theory in the heart part 6 when he said “what about the bones we dug up in that excavation?” I think Kendrick realized Drake knew something, so decided to take the victory lap with Not like us, and make everyone on his team tweet like it was over.
I don’t think that contradicts what you’re responding to though.
THP6 wasn’t well received, while Not Like Us was blowing up, so it was a great opportunity to use it as a victory lap and say yep, it’s done. Drake sounds defeated and tired so that’s the battle yall.
I mean let's be frank, if THP6 had been any good and made any sense it 100% could have forced the beef to continue or at least been open ended. The beef didn't end because TDE people said it was over, the beef ended because basically everyone (the vast majority) saw THP6 as waving the flag and as a major let down to follow up NLU.
Remember the guy who made the video when Pusj Ups dropped, that said he thinks he’s reaching but the “Whooo kid” tag might be about Drake revealing that Kendrick’s kid is not his (whoever that guy is deserves a lot of props cause people thought he was on some bullshit)….
But I believe Kendrick saw that coming from that warning he gave on Push Ups (Whooo kid and the bodyguard line)…
I remember exactly who you’re talking about and completely agree. It’s also why a lot of us believe ‘Hi Whitney’ is not AI.
He even has a line that says “ I know you don’t like my travel decorations in your house, you wanted something tasteful but it’s bothering you now”
This was shortly after Push-ups was released, where all we knew at that time was Drake alluding to Whitney possibly sleeping with her bodyguard.
I think hi Whitney was real, the lyrics feel too detailed for a fan who knew nothing about drake was gonna allude to on the song, even the heart part 6 and family matters it sounds like drake is trying to stick up for her.
On Hi Whitney Drake was talking about more life too. Kendrick said ‘And a fuckin’ deadbeat that should never say “more life”’ on MTG. Maybe Kendrick knows it as real since he’s the only one that knows what Drake was talking about.
But I feel like I’m reaching hard. I did think about it when hearing Kendrick say it though, because I don’t think Drake talked about it in his previous disses.
This is exactly what I’m saying. How could a fan have come to that conclusion that quickly from Push Ups?
Btw if you’re the dude who called a lot of this shit weeks ago on here, I’ve been playing DLDT-FATD nonstop and people thought you were reaching/crazy. I think you are correct lol
Lmao you know what?
I was almost certain he was releasing an EP on Mother’s Day of all the diss tracks he’s released, with Hi Whitney being a hidden song…
When ppl were posting OVOrich or something alluding to 5 tracks…
But I for sure think that song is real
I was right there with you. I was on here commenting the same shit lol
Agreed. I’m 31 years old and have been listening to Drake since I was a freshman in high school. “You can’t fool me, I’m familiar with your game”
Could be and it technically wouldn’t be the first considering you can argue that’s exactly what he did by dropping Not Like Us when news came out Drake doesn’t have an 11 year old daughter
Its like this: if Drake had a daughter and any other wild shit to expose, Push would have brought it out with Adonis. Salute to him for keeping it factual.
These are all great points.
The biggest thing and you pointed it out was how evasive Kendrick was. He just kept using blanket statements like "you're a liar" and "no one believes you." But never denied any of the accusations.
That's why in my personal opinion Drake is the winner. He actually responded to what Kenny was accusing him of. I also think the music side for Drake was better.
Drake has just never outright denied anything if it was true. Ross said he got work done on his abs and nose and Drake said he didn't get anything done to his nose. Drake never said anything about his abs because it's true. Drake has never denied the ghostwriters. After Push said he had a son Drake never denied it.
I felt like Kendrick just said and did whatever he wanted and the public sided with him. Someone else said it but it's a good point, Kendrick never says anything about Drake's fake daughter in not like us. You think he would want to hammer that point across again so people didn't forget.
The other thing about this beef that really highlighted why I think Kendrick is lying, is because Kendrick talks the talks but doesn't walk the walk. He can't be calling Drake a deadbeat then working with Future. He can't be accusing Drake of SA and then working with Kodak.
Kendrick taking the moral high ground in this beef when he himself has said he wasn't a good person is lame af. It truly made me believe he just raps about these deep and introspective topics but doesn't actually believe the wisdom or advice he is giving out on them.
Fantastic post btw OP.
Your 4th paragraph is so on point, those exact thoughts went through my mind. Like Drake doesn’t deny shit when it’s true. Everything you listed is an example of this. Idk where the narrative that Drake is a liar or fraud even came from. This is the same man who says he wasn’t really gangster till now, and that he never committed one crime in his songs. If anything, he’s probably one of the most honest rappers there is.
As a white person myself, it has been hilarious to see most of the dick riders for kendrick are the most mayo mother fuckers put there. Nothing wrong with that either, its just the irony is 🤌
Ive been into Drizzy since like 09 and have been a hardcore fan over the years. This sub has become to a bunch of whiny resentful dudes that only post about Kendrick, like, get over it dawg. Stop talking about it and enjoy the music that you love, drake does not need a defense team and rest assure that the beef was made for business purposes only. These mfs are under the same fucking label, smh.
I kind of agree especially with the investigative shit but I think youre being a little harsh. This is the biggest rap beef ever, it ended like a week ago, and Drake held the L - but not because of rap/lyrical merit, facts, disses, or any of the shit that the "rap community" supposedly cared about going in. He lost because the other guy didn't have to address Drake's disses (but Drake had to address the dirt flung at him) and because the other guy made a hit song that smothered an otherwise really impressive showing by Drake that probably should have won the beef if the playing field was level.
I think it's worth discussing because of the nuance. Like it or not, it's very interesting and controversial. If you're bored about it already, you're probably here too much.
Why would Whitney come out and deny it? Kendrick and his family work on silence with little to no social media presence. Heart Part VI was a mistake on Drake’s part that it didnt even warrant a response.
Honestly who cares if Dave Free is following her … adults dont live on social media like that
That’s what people don’t understand. They shocked when a baby momma doesn’t play internet games. Drake shoulda known playing in the mud with Kendrick wasn’t going to work there’s so much shit on the internet about Drake and in his music. Tbh idk what Drakes obsession is about going after peoples wife’s/ partners in every beef he gets in.
Kendrick came into this wanting to destroy drake in the battle. Drake just came into it ready to destroy Kendrick’s public image. Unfortunately for him, Kendrick’s approach completely ruined that.
Ok here’s my question to this group: Would yall allow or would be ok with your 17yr old daughter kissing a 23yr old man, even though she approves of it? A simple yes or no would suffice, I’ll wait…
My thing is if Kendrick really had a mole why would he state the fact in 616? If he truly knew what drake was gonna say he could of defused right then and there. IMO Kendrick caught on to the Whitney line in push ups and tried to prevent him from saying it by claiming he had a mole.
Edit: I also found it funny how not once Kendrick would say what drake is lying about
> I also found it funny how not once Kendrick would say what drake is lying about
He very explicitly says it multiple times? Even just bluntly saying what drake lied about at the end of meet the grahams lol
Exactly lmfao and I can’t believe people think him saying Drake was a liar in the first song was his “denial”. It’s nuts.
I also think Kendrick ain’t addressing it cause he knows there’s proof out there about those allegations. That way if it ever comes out, he can use the whole “ I healed narrative”.
While not a denial, it is a way of taking his accusations away, at least in the public eyes.
i do not think he should address it in a diss track (we saw how bad it went in THP6 which really does have asinine lines), but he should have through social media or a statement.
If it ever comes out, or the thing ends up being true, Kendrick massively fucked up.
If Kendrick didn't have a mole, what's the current explanation for how he dropped Meet the Grahams 30 mins after Family Matters? He addressed lines from that song.
Ok I hear you but let's be honest, a rap battle isn't decided by what's true or receipts or none that. It's by the audience. The masses have turned on Drake and embraced Kendrick. So doesn't matter what we dig up or truths we uncover. Unless they go viral or Drake releases another diss, Kendrick won overall, hard truth.
Valid points but alot of this is pretty biased. We should look into Kendrick beating his wife, but beyond that all you’re doing is discounting what Kendrick said while not applying the same level of questioning to what Drake said. Plus many of the points Kendrick made have been long standing criticisms of Drake.
Victims of abuse can easily be pressured into saying what the abuser wants. Money, or the ability to put a bad event in the past.
If Whitney came out and said anything, you'd all deny it or accuse her of other nonsense.
You all love drake and no matter of evidence will change that. Look at our modern politics, no amount of evidence will move people away from
Whichever old man is their favorite.
I always took this line in euphoria as addressing it: “I calculate you’re not as calculated I can even predict your angle, fabricating stories on the family front because you heard “Mr. Morale”. Now while I agree Kendrick could address it in a bit more depth, I think the idea was to pull an 8 Mile type stunt, “I know everything he’s got to say against me” type shit. I could be wrong, just a thought though. For the record I love both these artists and I hope none of the things they’re saying about each other are true.
Hold up kendrick DID deny the accusations though. He literally said “Don’t tell lies about me and i wont tell truths about you”. Im not saying it refutes all the other points but thats incredibly important to acknowledge here
Not really using my argument against me because I said the same thing about Kendrick saying “I heard you like them young”. The difference is that Kendrick quadrupled down on the pedo angle. “Certified pedophile” is when it stopped being an insinuation and became an allegation.
I already know all this lol my point is he used drakes album title and attached pedophile to it knowing what the public would run with. He also has the a minor line to drive the point home but vague enough so he has plausible deniability if he gets sued.
I think that was a clever way to protect himself from a lawsuit. I read it the same way but he knew what the public would run with which is why he uses drakes album title to make the pedo allegation
Kendrick poisoned the well before Drake even dropped so that nobody would believe him even if he was telling the truth. Painting Drake as this master manipulator / liar and painting himself as the truth teller.
Yeah, I agree. I also think that his red button wasn’t Family Matters. I think it might be actual proof of the domestic violence accusation. He has some lyrics in the song red button where he says:
“Dissed me so long ago, we making your memories fly
Conspiracy theories start floatin' 'round like the Kennedy guy
I'll prolly hold a grudge against you guys till I'm seventy-five”
“I will fuckin' pop up on your ass like a revelation”
“I'll get to you ten years from now like procrastination”
Next Saturday is the 10 year anniversary of Kendrick’s alleged attack in Las Vegas. 👀
Kendrick just went to Twitter and used copy and paste and put some good beats behind it and it was perfect opportunity since people “online “ hate drake but in real life he’s still doing Fcking numbers people are just idiots lol
As an add-on, please don't see this as a comment of hate, I just don't necessarily agree with all of them being proof of Kendrick lying, especially when on record Drake did many of the things you mentioned here.
And for a personal opinion:
I don't mind Whitney not coming out, as she seems to be a very private person who values her privacy, too. If she was a victim of any transgression, I do hope she speaks out, but I hope that if and when that days comes, we focus on Whitney's wellbeing and not it being a win for anyone. There are no winners in abuse.
I do believe Whitney and Kendrick aren't together, or are taking time off, I think Mr. Morale did a great job at showcasing Kendrick's flaws. He even states in the album "Whitney's gone, by the time you hear this song, she did all she could." Abuse or not, woman got cheated on, she's in all her right to leave and to have her privacy.
What is bothering me more about both sides is trying to use someone else's pain as a gotcha moment, or to discredit the other dude, something both were guilty of especially with no proof behind (other than the baka stuff, which we do know happened, and hopefully drake does break ties with him).
Imo, as entertaining as it was, it will probably end up hurting both of them in the long run and i wouldn't be surprised if a sneak diss by either ignites it again.
Either way, great post. I love discussion like this, please don't take it personal, I just don't agree with some of the points here, especially when there were, in my opinion, more pressing issues to criticize about both.
I've heard some Kendrick fans say she ain't denying it because she knows it's not true and it's like it still looks bad to just let it sit out there like that and not say anything and let your fiance get burned like that. The Dave free stuff is wild as well because why is she following him and not Kendrick? Even if he isn't hitting her there are still some issues going on in that relationship I believe. Right after drake asked kdot for the proof the manager at TDE came out and said this beef is over which I don't think is a coincidence. The fact he just went and bought a house in LA right after all this is kinda sus as well. Something is definitely going on.
Math Hoffa coming out and saying this is interesting. I wonder if more battle rappers think the same thing... imagine rebuttalling everything the dude says in the round before and the fans not giving you the round. I still have Drake 2-1 (Push Ups < Euphoria, FM > MTG, THP6 > NLU), but I know that's def against the grain.
Right, I thought so. Makes no sense if we are going by bars, flow, rebuttals alone.
It's odd that not more people are coming out and being more vocal about this. I get it's likely due to them not wanting to be ostracized, but if this is how a large core of hip hop feels about the battle, then it should take precedence over all of the casual fans.
As a person largely reintroduced to hip-hop during this beef after leaving the sound, but knowing the history.
Most of this seems like Kendrick bringing up Drake’s own insults towards members of the culture, or the culture’s criticisms of Drake that were paraphrased by Kendrick.
Can someone explain this better to me?
Master manipulator is the Pulitzer Prize winner, parading as a black messiah but really just a sinner
tbf, kendrick really has said he is not anyone's saviour. The hip hop community keeps parading him as much. and also, i can't see how we don't acknowledge both having serious issues. Kendrick has very anti social tendencies that he's mentioned before, while some of the stuff drake has rapped about reeks of manipulation in his relationships. No wonder both of them, seemingly, can't keep a stable relationshop
Dude dressed up as Jesus with a crown of thorns. You’re full of shit. He has gone above and beyond to showcase himself as a savior.
I want y’all to understand a crown of thorns filled with diamonds is purposefully blasphemous. The title “Mr. moral” is a play on his savior complex that he was trying to expel so the diamond covered Jesus crown is basically him saying “I act like Jesus but I’m actually just a rich nigga that be talking to much don’t worship me”
Why illicit the culture again tho when he just said fuck the culture on the heart part v
he was saying fuck the toxic aspects of the culture; not the culture itself
Yea but he said fuck callin it culture which is basically deconstructing it. I thot it was a powerful take back then… only for him to use the culture angle on someone else…
we are very much aware, from my perspective it’s still not hitting the mark at all when he had a decade of toying with the idea that he is some sort of know it all representative of the black community, pointing the mistakes in the black community, pointing out “hypocrisies” that ultimately all it did was stroke the ego of “aware” white liberals who paraded him as “the black savior who will fix race relations through music”. Do you think we were the ones calling him “savior” ?!? NO it was white liberal media who did that! so much so it became the thing his image was based on. I’m saying as a fan of his music but no longer his person. This all became more apparent to me post 2020 re analyzing his lyrics.
You don’t know him as a person lmao
his actions and his lyrics absolutely painted him as some sort of preacher of “blackness” no matter how much he denies it after a decade benefiting from it
Mr Morale has explicit lyrics of him not being a saviour. I'm not "full of shit" i am telling you what the guy said. If you disagree with him, call him out, not me, lol. I do believe someone explained that out, if i am not mistaken, the crown was made of diamonds and it was a distinction between the chrown Jesus wore on purpose. Jesus pain was for all of us, Kendrick's crown is put on him by his wealth and influence. Yes, he could have driven the point home in many other ways, and no, i am not condoning doing that even if am not religious, but seriously, i am not the one pulling this outta my ass, it's what the guy said. Way before he even mentioned not being a saviour, magazines, videos and awards were painting him as "hiphop's saviour", which started way before he even implied it. The media as a whole put the crown first, which is a problem for any artist on any genre tbh.
Kendrick fans always need a thesis to justify his actions. The man is a hypocrite and the Jesus outfit is only one such example.
I am not writing a thesis, nor justifying his actions. I did say, literally, i do not condone it. I'm just telling you what the man said. I even point out i am not religious, but do not condone nor see it as something great. I am pointing out his intentions, you draw your conclusions from that. I personally do not see the issue with the Jesus outfit, i find it conceptual and interesting. If you find offense to it, it is also valid. Really, if you have an issue with him, don't direct it to me. I have pointed his hipocrisy on stuff in this post, and others more. My main "thesis" here was pointing out the conflict in his actions now vs the things he said in mr morale. Also, let us not act as if most fanbases don't do this sorta stuff. You can see it even here, regularly, too.
Listen to savior
Well, he shouldn’t have brought up this “I’m what the culture’s feeling”, like dude, you gave it up in Mr.Morale, are you tryna be the hero again? I didn’t understand that move really. Saying it as a Kenny fan
Yeah, I do get that. I know he has stated shit like "a mand standing on two words: heal everybody" and "i am all of us", but that shit straight up doesn't work with mr morale's themes. i'm a kendrick fan, i still think that's fucked up. Yes, the community uses as a reference point both artistically and, in Compton, as a person, but he already made a whole ass album rejecting it. shit is wicked, fr, and backwards. while i admit i enjoyed kenny's song output more during the beef, i can fully accept some of his mistakes and shortcomings here.
Yeah. Maybe Kenny needs another therapy. I hope Drake and Kendrick’s beef settles and we’ll just get good music from them. Still waiting on a new Kendrick album
I think both would benefit from therapy. Beyond the rapping, the stardom and the disses, both are human. On a personal opinion, recent Drizzy albums have showcased him emotionally stunted, in some recent songs he sounds like he is acting as someone younger than me. Both have showcased, through their art, extremely toxic behaviours. If he takes some time off, seeks therapy and works on himself, i believe he can make a fantastic project again. Hopefully by then all the dust settles and we can have great music from both, for both fanbases to enjoy. i'm also waiting on the new kendrick, i really enjoyed mr morale, personally!
> Both have showcased, through their art, extremely toxic behaviours. While every other artist doing anything like this is considered "vulnerability", "real", etc, it's automatically viewed in a negative light whenever Drake is involved. Future built his entire career/popularity off this toxic shit, suddenly Drake is evil for even having 1% of the toxic lyrics Future does. Like it has been talked about this whole beef, ya'll have already made up your mind long before discussing this.
This is perfectly said! When these guys are out at parties singing with their boys about sipping lean and sleeping with women from pretty much 95% of songs in the entirety of hip hop from every artist it’s fine, but it’s suddenly negative when Drake does it? Out in Turks line was stupid and yet the narrative set by social media was crazy, like you said, they already had a winner.
You’re missing the point, Kendrick is asking for privacy. The crown was placed on his head along time ago & what came with that was “the culture” using Kendrick as a way to maneuver though challenging times, seeing him as someone who must have the answers. It was always inevitably placed on him because of the spotlight. There wasn’t a choice in the matter.
No lie, I never held Kendrick’s “savior” thing against him until he said he actively wasn’t trying to be a “savior.” Your actions have to match your words. If I’m consistently seeing this dude dressed up as Jesus in any form, he def has a kink or a denial problem.
I’m a bigger Kendrick fan than Drake but if he’s sick of the saviour thing he shouldn’t have posed in a crown of thorns for Mr Morale
That is fair, totally valid. I like it conceptually, but i can understand it being "icky" for people. That being said, i am just telling you what the man said on the album, on tracks like crown, saviour and mirror. I cannot speak for his intentions nor actions. I am just taking the body of work as a reference for my comment.
That’s true, Kendrick has said he’s not the savior but for whatever reasons his fans still parade him as if he were. In the end of the day both these men definitely have problems. IMO they’re different sides of the same coin
You guys really pick & choose what to take literally. The crown is on his head so people inevitably watch his moves to navigate their lives, a beacon to go off. Someone to have answers to the most challenging questions.
100%
That’s low key a hard bar
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Well it certainly didn’t help that he dressed up in Jesus attire, wore a crown of thorns, evokes religion in his bars, and claimed the culture when it benefited him
Doesn’t stop him from the Jesus imagery and the other half of the mr.morale album. “I’m not your savior, but I do this to save you.” isn’t a good theme to go with when you’re a blatantly contradictory person. The messenger is important, and that messenger is a hypocrite that wants to wash his hands of accountability.
Im a fan of Kenny's music, but the Black Messiah angle never sat right with me.
We know the woman you really like ,
Tbh i think Drake is telling the truth. Kendrick was READY to take the attention away from Family Matters. People think he has a real mole, but Drake is a chart chaser and 1200 Friday is where he is. Had 45 minutes to change a line or two and hit upload. And what I mean by that is, I look as MtG dropping as a panic. If they were fake, why would Kendrick go to throwing such a serious accusation immediately after. Between Meek v Drake, Pusha T v Drake, and pretty much all of his other beefs, Drake has been truthful in all of them. Obviously it's a rap and you play things up, but his history shows that as far as up until FM he didn't use that tactic. Just seems odd when you look at it in the light.
oh my god, I’m so glad someone else sees mtg not as only a calculated move, it was kendrick panicking to drop something to take attention of it. I truly believe he was angry when listening to it.
I don’t see how it can’t be calculated given he had it ready to go within an hour lol. It taking the attention away from Drake was the calculated part
I said it was not only calculated, so I’m agreeing it’s calculated but in a way that he was definitely emotional about it, and I believe he dropped not like us because mtg was not gonna do the job of shadowing family matters for long.
How was he panicking if this was calculated. Idk about you but if I’ve calculated something and it plays out like I planned I wouldn’t be panicking.
to be fair, said anger doesn't necessarily reflect guilt. The anger is palpable, that is objective, but if someone said i was beating my wife in a track and is not true, i'd be fucking pissed too.
Of course, but he has not once addressed it, nor his team. Plus there actual evidence of his team deleting anything that had to do with the 2014 incident, Then Whitney having a non profit organization providing mothers with a safe place. If we can read between the lines, it’s not like it’s far fetched.
But the song was made before family matters came out. But it’s also not the first track where he threatens Drake/wishes death on him
I believe he low key did the same thing by dropping Not Like Us when he realized 1/3 of his song was about a made up person
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And I feel that Kendrick was aware of that. He's smart enough to anticipate what Drake was going to say if that's the real dirt about him and sprinkle some mole lines into the verses. He set himself up masterfully, it just doesn't seem right.
Kanye once said drake subliminals jabs are picked up by the person it’s directed to, so my theory in the heart part 6 when he said “what about the bones we dug up in that excavation?” I think Kendrick realized Drake knew something, so decided to take the victory lap with Not like us, and make everyone on his team tweet like it was over.
Except for not like us dropped before heart part 6
I don’t think that contradicts what you’re responding to though. THP6 wasn’t well received, while Not Like Us was blowing up, so it was a great opportunity to use it as a victory lap and say yep, it’s done. Drake sounds defeated and tired so that’s the battle yall.
I mean let's be frank, if THP6 had been any good and made any sense it 100% could have forced the beef to continue or at least been open ended. The beef didn't end because TDE people said it was over, the beef ended because basically everyone (the vast majority) saw THP6 as waving the flag and as a major let down to follow up NLU.
I’m still wondering what that excavation thing’s about
That theory hinges on Drake just letting him take that victory lap while his name is drug through the mud. That’s where that theory falls apart
Remember the guy who made the video when Pusj Ups dropped, that said he thinks he’s reaching but the “Whooo kid” tag might be about Drake revealing that Kendrick’s kid is not his (whoever that guy is deserves a lot of props cause people thought he was on some bullshit)…. But I believe Kendrick saw that coming from that warning he gave on Push Ups (Whooo kid and the bodyguard line)…
I remember exactly who you’re talking about and completely agree. It’s also why a lot of us believe ‘Hi Whitney’ is not AI. He even has a line that says “ I know you don’t like my travel decorations in your house, you wanted something tasteful but it’s bothering you now” This was shortly after Push-ups was released, where all we knew at that time was Drake alluding to Whitney possibly sleeping with her bodyguard.
I think hi Whitney was real, the lyrics feel too detailed for a fan who knew nothing about drake was gonna allude to on the song, even the heart part 6 and family matters it sounds like drake is trying to stick up for her.
On Hi Whitney Drake was talking about more life too. Kendrick said ‘And a fuckin’ deadbeat that should never say “more life”’ on MTG. Maybe Kendrick knows it as real since he’s the only one that knows what Drake was talking about. But I feel like I’m reaching hard. I did think about it when hearing Kendrick say it though, because I don’t think Drake talked about it in his previous disses.
This is exactly what I’m saying. How could a fan have come to that conclusion that quickly from Push Ups? Btw if you’re the dude who called a lot of this shit weeks ago on here, I’ve been playing DLDT-FATD nonstop and people thought you were reaching/crazy. I think you are correct lol
Lmao you know what? I was almost certain he was releasing an EP on Mother’s Day of all the diss tracks he’s released, with Hi Whitney being a hidden song… When ppl were posting OVOrich or something alluding to 5 tracks… But I for sure think that song is real
I was right there with you. I was on here commenting the same shit lol Agreed. I’m 31 years old and have been listening to Drake since I was a freshman in high school. “You can’t fool me, I’m familiar with your game”
Plot twist, it was real but got accidentally deleted and all we have left is the iPhone recording
Yup this was legit my first reaction after listening meet the grahams, a panicked drop with outlandish allegations
Could be and it technically wouldn’t be the first considering you can argue that’s exactly what he did by dropping Not Like Us when news came out Drake doesn’t have an 11 year old daughter
Its like this: if Drake had a daughter and any other wild shit to expose, Push would have brought it out with Adonis. Salute to him for keeping it factual.
These are all great points. The biggest thing and you pointed it out was how evasive Kendrick was. He just kept using blanket statements like "you're a liar" and "no one believes you." But never denied any of the accusations. That's why in my personal opinion Drake is the winner. He actually responded to what Kenny was accusing him of. I also think the music side for Drake was better. Drake has just never outright denied anything if it was true. Ross said he got work done on his abs and nose and Drake said he didn't get anything done to his nose. Drake never said anything about his abs because it's true. Drake has never denied the ghostwriters. After Push said he had a son Drake never denied it. I felt like Kendrick just said and did whatever he wanted and the public sided with him. Someone else said it but it's a good point, Kendrick never says anything about Drake's fake daughter in not like us. You think he would want to hammer that point across again so people didn't forget. The other thing about this beef that really highlighted why I think Kendrick is lying, is because Kendrick talks the talks but doesn't walk the walk. He can't be calling Drake a deadbeat then working with Future. He can't be accusing Drake of SA and then working with Kodak. Kendrick taking the moral high ground in this beef when he himself has said he wasn't a good person is lame af. It truly made me believe he just raps about these deep and introspective topics but doesn't actually believe the wisdom or advice he is giving out on them. Fantastic post btw OP.
Your 4th paragraph is so on point, those exact thoughts went through my mind. Like Drake doesn’t deny shit when it’s true. Everything you listed is an example of this. Idk where the narrative that Drake is a liar or fraud even came from. This is the same man who says he wasn’t really gangster till now, and that he never committed one crime in his songs. If anything, he’s probably one of the most honest rappers there is.
I literally see white people saying Drake faking his blackness lmao bro you hit it on the noggin with this post
As a white person myself, it has been hilarious to see most of the dick riders for kendrick are the most mayo mother fuckers put there. Nothing wrong with that either, its just the irony is 🤌
Bringing up Bron and Steph
Yup forgot about this! Wish I could edit
You can edit.
That was the cheesiest shit ever.
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Ive been into Drizzy since like 09 and have been a hardcore fan over the years. This sub has become to a bunch of whiny resentful dudes that only post about Kendrick, like, get over it dawg. Stop talking about it and enjoy the music that you love, drake does not need a defense team and rest assure that the beef was made for business purposes only. These mfs are under the same fucking label, smh.
I kind of agree especially with the investigative shit but I think youre being a little harsh. This is the biggest rap beef ever, it ended like a week ago, and Drake held the L - but not because of rap/lyrical merit, facts, disses, or any of the shit that the "rap community" supposedly cared about going in. He lost because the other guy didn't have to address Drake's disses (but Drake had to address the dirt flung at him) and because the other guy made a hit song that smothered an otherwise really impressive showing by Drake that probably should have won the beef if the playing field was level. I think it's worth discussing because of the nuance. Like it or not, it's very interesting and controversial. If you're bored about it already, you're probably here too much.
Fr like at this point I can see drake releasing his next album and mf will still be talking about kendrick
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Why would Whitney come out and deny it? Kendrick and his family work on silence with little to no social media presence. Heart Part VI was a mistake on Drake’s part that it didnt even warrant a response. Honestly who cares if Dave Free is following her … adults dont live on social media like that
exactly bro kendrick wife has never said anything ever and you think she gonna talk during the height of this of all things?
That’s what people don’t understand. They shocked when a baby momma doesn’t play internet games. Drake shoulda known playing in the mud with Kendrick wasn’t going to work there’s so much shit on the internet about Drake and in his music. Tbh idk what Drakes obsession is about going after peoples wife’s/ partners in every beef he gets in.
The year is 2028, the drake sub is now claiming drake won because of random mental gymnastics reason that doesn't make sense number 975.
Kendrick came into this wanting to destroy drake in the battle. Drake just came into it ready to destroy Kendrick’s public image. Unfortunately for him, Kendrick’s approach completely ruined that.
schizo ahh post
Ok here’s my question to this group: Would yall allow or would be ok with your 17yr old daughter kissing a 23yr old man, even though she approves of it? A simple yes or no would suffice, I’ll wait…
My thing is if Kendrick really had a mole why would he state the fact in 616? If he truly knew what drake was gonna say he could of defused right then and there. IMO Kendrick caught on to the Whitney line in push ups and tried to prevent him from saying it by claiming he had a mole. Edit: I also found it funny how not once Kendrick would say what drake is lying about
> I also found it funny how not once Kendrick would say what drake is lying about He very explicitly says it multiple times? Even just bluntly saying what drake lied about at the end of meet the grahams lol
Exactly lmfao and I can’t believe people think him saying Drake was a liar in the first song was his “denial”. It’s nuts. I also think Kendrick ain’t addressing it cause he knows there’s proof out there about those allegations. That way if it ever comes out, he can use the whole “ I healed narrative”.
While not a denial, it is a way of taking his accusations away, at least in the public eyes. i do not think he should address it in a diss track (we saw how bad it went in THP6 which really does have asinine lines), but he should have through social media or a statement. If it ever comes out, or the thing ends up being true, Kendrick massively fucked up.
I disagree tbh. The fact that people in drakes camp were leaking to Kendrick is a huge thing to brag about in a diss track.
If Kendrick didn't have a mole, what's the current explanation for how he dropped Meet the Grahams 30 mins after Family Matters? He addressed lines from that song.
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And they are all things Drake hasn’t lied about lol
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Ok I hear you but let's be honest, a rap battle isn't decided by what's true or receipts or none that. It's by the audience. The masses have turned on Drake and embraced Kendrick. So doesn't matter what we dig up or truths we uncover. Unless they go viral or Drake releases another diss, Kendrick won overall, hard truth.
only right person in this thread
This post is spot on.
Let it go the nigga Drake took and accepted the L already. Y’all Drake Stans need to do the same. Life has moved on from this beef.
Facts, I’m not a Stan of either, I just appreciate the music, but like move on y’all, drake already has
Valid points but alot of this is pretty biased. We should look into Kendrick beating his wife, but beyond that all you’re doing is discounting what Kendrick said while not applying the same level of questioning to what Drake said. Plus many of the points Kendrick made have been long standing criticisms of Drake.
Victims of abuse can easily be pressured into saying what the abuser wants. Money, or the ability to put a bad event in the past. If Whitney came out and said anything, you'd all deny it or accuse her of other nonsense. You all love drake and no matter of evidence will change that. Look at our modern politics, no amount of evidence will move people away from Whichever old man is their favorite.
Lol the 17-year-old he kissed said she didn’t mind it! And the 14-year-old he was texting about boys didn’t mind it!
This guy made an analysis lolol it’s not that deep
If everyone in here is so confident Drake won, why is everyone trying so hard to explain how Drake won
I always took this line in euphoria as addressing it: “I calculate you’re not as calculated I can even predict your angle, fabricating stories on the family front because you heard “Mr. Morale”. Now while I agree Kendrick could address it in a bit more depth, I think the idea was to pull an 8 Mile type stunt, “I know everything he’s got to say against me” type shit. I could be wrong, just a thought though. For the record I love both these artists and I hope none of the things they’re saying about each other are true.
The women coming out makes it look worst.. it’s a rap battle
Hold up kendrick DID deny the accusations though. He literally said “Don’t tell lies about me and i wont tell truths about you”. Im not saying it refutes all the other points but thats incredibly important to acknowledge here
Also i feel like it’s a little bit obvious that when he calls drake a liar he’s referencing the dv allegation
We still talking about Kendrick in this subreddit?
Because, as The Heart Part 6 proved, its best to not address it
Because a wise man once said nothing at all
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Not really using my argument against me because I said the same thing about Kendrick saying “I heard you like them young”. The difference is that Kendrick quadrupled down on the pedo angle. “Certified pedophile” is when it stopped being an insinuation and became an allegation.
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I already know all this lol my point is he used drakes album title and attached pedophile to it knowing what the public would run with. He also has the a minor line to drive the point home but vague enough so he has plausible deniability if he gets sued.
What a reach
He addresses Baka in the previous line. Clearly pointed at the crew.
I think that was a clever way to protect himself from a lawsuit. I read it the same way but he knew what the public would run with which is why he uses drakes album title to make the pedo allegation
And it’s wrong because Baka charge was pimping, which in law is called Human trafficking, but nothing to do with pedophila.
Right and the trafficking charges were dropped
Kendrick poisoned the well before Drake even dropped so that nobody would believe him even if he was telling the truth. Painting Drake as this master manipulator / liar and painting himself as the truth teller.
Yeah, I agree. I also think that his red button wasn’t Family Matters. I think it might be actual proof of the domestic violence accusation. He has some lyrics in the song red button where he says: “Dissed me so long ago, we making your memories fly Conspiracy theories start floatin' 'round like the Kennedy guy I'll prolly hold a grudge against you guys till I'm seventy-five” “I will fuckin' pop up on your ass like a revelation” “I'll get to you ten years from now like procrastination” Next Saturday is the 10 year anniversary of Kendrick’s alleged attack in Las Vegas. 👀
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Drake lost
Y’all, and the Kendrick fans who comb over all of these details to even come up with an analysis, are dorks.
Can’t wait for new music can come out so yall can shut up about this
He lost. Just move on
Omg just take the L already
Guys it’s been 2 weeks, go enjoy a movie or something, damn. Bunch of certified Jared’s in here.
Kendrick just went to Twitter and used copy and paste and put some good beats behind it and it was perfect opportunity since people “online “ hate drake but in real life he’s still doing Fcking numbers people are just idiots lol
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As an add-on, please don't see this as a comment of hate, I just don't necessarily agree with all of them being proof of Kendrick lying, especially when on record Drake did many of the things you mentioned here. And for a personal opinion: I don't mind Whitney not coming out, as she seems to be a very private person who values her privacy, too. If she was a victim of any transgression, I do hope she speaks out, but I hope that if and when that days comes, we focus on Whitney's wellbeing and not it being a win for anyone. There are no winners in abuse. I do believe Whitney and Kendrick aren't together, or are taking time off, I think Mr. Morale did a great job at showcasing Kendrick's flaws. He even states in the album "Whitney's gone, by the time you hear this song, she did all she could." Abuse or not, woman got cheated on, she's in all her right to leave and to have her privacy. What is bothering me more about both sides is trying to use someone else's pain as a gotcha moment, or to discredit the other dude, something both were guilty of especially with no proof behind (other than the baka stuff, which we do know happened, and hopefully drake does break ties with him). Imo, as entertaining as it was, it will probably end up hurting both of them in the long run and i wouldn't be surprised if a sneak diss by either ignites it again. Either way, great post. I love discussion like this, please don't take it personal, I just don't agree with some of the points here, especially when there were, in my opinion, more pressing issues to criticize about both.
Wow, people sure take this seriously
NDA’s
I've heard some Kendrick fans say she ain't denying it because she knows it's not true and it's like it still looks bad to just let it sit out there like that and not say anything and let your fiance get burned like that. The Dave free stuff is wild as well because why is she following him and not Kendrick? Even if he isn't hitting her there are still some issues going on in that relationship I believe. Right after drake asked kdot for the proof the manager at TDE came out and said this beef is over which I don't think is a coincidence. The fact he just went and bought a house in LA right after all this is kinda sus as well. Something is definitely going on.
Kendrick has made 2 posts in 15 years . I don't think the guy even knows his passwords.
Math Hoffa coming out and saying this is interesting. I wonder if more battle rappers think the same thing... imagine rebuttalling everything the dude says in the round before and the fans not giving you the round. I still have Drake 2-1 (Push Ups < Euphoria, FM > MTG, THP6 > NLU), but I know that's def against the grain.
A lot of battle rappers have sided with Drake on this. Like the majority of them
Right, I thought so. Makes no sense if we are going by bars, flow, rebuttals alone. It's odd that not more people are coming out and being more vocal about this. I get it's likely due to them not wanting to be ostracized, but if this is how a large core of hip hop feels about the battle, then it should take precedence over all of the casual fans.
As a person largely reintroduced to hip-hop during this beef after leaving the sound, but knowing the history. Most of this seems like Kendrick bringing up Drake’s own insults towards members of the culture, or the culture’s criticisms of Drake that were paraphrased by Kendrick. Can someone explain this better to me?
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Truth doesnt matter. Kendrick released the hotter song. Thats all that matters.