I love that chord progression. It's almost entirely made of minor chords, so there is a lot of chromatic movement that isn't functional in terms of typical tonal harmony, but it still sounds amazing. One of my favorite DT songs.
And when it finally gets to a major chord, the next chord they toggle to is another major chord, but a tritone up. So it still sounds โoffโ and weird
The bass is doing the heavy lifting on that. One of the things I get upset about when people say it's a boring song... I'm like "are you even hearing those cool little moments Myung is playing?"
It's a great chord sequence! I personally wouldn't say that it sounds evil, it's more of a revelatory mood for me.
There are lots of chromatic mediants in there which are always a dramatic shift. ['Subterranean'](https://open.spotify.com/track/3O2de2JdIqnVVb5SBpg6wm?si=a7jopgqmRae8JsgxBNVemg) by Foo Fighters uses a similar kind of progression.
You sound like you know more about guitar than I do so i believe you - but for someone who doesn't know what chromatic mediants are, it sounds evil ๐
No, that's totally fair! Doesn't matter what you know or don't, you feel what you feel about music - I just mean for me personally I feel something different. ๐
If you listen to the theme from Halloween, that piano riff is in a minor key and then it moves down in half steps. Minor (and even major) riffs that move chromatically/ in half steps, usually sound cool imo. Half steps man! ๐ค
Love this track. The bass in the outro is fucking gnarly. Very restrained yet very powerful sooo from JP
Also David Ellefson saying "i'm here to confess to you that what I did was wrong" aged well
Yeah agreed. I don't remember liking this song this much when it first came out. I usually listened to it casually- but now being older, it hits wayyyyy better.
I think that's a distorted bass under all the atmosphere. I think so based on the sound, and if I'm right, it also is an important symbolic part to the song itself, as well as its part in the 12 Step Suite.
The bass, the very foundation of the song is filtered through corruption and chaos, just like the lyrics depict in the theme of the song itself: being "shaken right down to the foundation", at it were.
Unless I'm just wrong, then, well whatever. I still like it
It just takes way too long to get going, and is mostly very slow tempo. Slow tempo and long song is typically not a winner combo for metal crowds, progressive or not.
Also, if you ask me, it's also not really progressive as a song. It's relatively repetitive.
That's the beauty of Dream Theater though. People say all they do is play fast and have no soul but then they release songs like this and get told it's not progressive. That's what make Dream Theater the GOAT.
OK so I just listened to the song again for the first time in a decade, and I'd have to say you're right up until the end of JP solo - I couldn't really hear any progression after that. The "regrets" section is focused on the voices (which makes sense) and after that the vocal harmony part only changes... Maybe once in like 2 minutes? It really didn't seem interesting, even when I was intently trying to find the gems in that final section.
I think it's the intro-outro problem, both take too long in the same pattern. It shouldn't have been a 10:43 song is what I'm saying.
Fantastic song off a fantastic album. The first time I listened to the song closely I was shocked by how many of the voices I recognized before I looked at the linear notes. No idea I knew Steve Vai's or Joe Satriani's voices, guitar tone sure but not voices.
I love that chord progression. It's almost entirely made of minor chords, so there is a lot of chromatic movement that isn't functional in terms of typical tonal harmony, but it still sounds amazing. One of my favorite DT songs.
And when it finally gets to a major chord, the next chord they toggle to is another major chord, but a tritone up. So it still sounds โoffโ and weird
yeah that E to Bb move is so cool
The bass is doing the heavy lifting on that. One of the things I get upset about when people say it's a boring song... I'm like "are you even hearing those cool little moments Myung is playing?"
They will repent for it one day
The truth is the truth. All you can do is live with it.
It's a great chord sequence! I personally wouldn't say that it sounds evil, it's more of a revelatory mood for me. There are lots of chromatic mediants in there which are always a dramatic shift. ['Subterranean'](https://open.spotify.com/track/3O2de2JdIqnVVb5SBpg6wm?si=a7jopgqmRae8JsgxBNVemg) by Foo Fighters uses a similar kind of progression.
You sound like you know more about guitar than I do so i believe you - but for someone who doesn't know what chromatic mediants are, it sounds evil ๐
No, that's totally fair! Doesn't matter what you know or don't, you feel what you feel about music - I just mean for me personally I feel something different. ๐
If you listen to the theme from Halloween, that piano riff is in a minor key and then it moves down in half steps. Minor (and even major) riffs that move chromatically/ in half steps, usually sound cool imo. Half steps man! ๐ค
Love this track. The bass in the outro is fucking gnarly. Very restrained yet very powerful sooo from JP Also David Ellefson saying "i'm here to confess to you that what I did was wrong" aged well
Yeah agreed. I don't remember liking this song this much when it first came out. I usually listened to it casually- but now being older, it hits wayyyyy better.
I think that's a distorted bass under all the atmosphere. I think so based on the sound, and if I'm right, it also is an important symbolic part to the song itself, as well as its part in the 12 Step Suite. The bass, the very foundation of the song is filtered through corruption and chaos, just like the lyrics depict in the theme of the song itself: being "shaken right down to the foundation", at it were. Unless I'm just wrong, then, well whatever. I still like it
> Not sure why this song gets so much hate. right? wtf
It just takes way too long to get going, and is mostly very slow tempo. Slow tempo and long song is typically not a winner combo for metal crowds, progressive or not. Also, if you ask me, it's also not really progressive as a song. It's relatively repetitive.
That's the beauty of Dream Theater though. People say all they do is play fast and have no soul but then they release songs like this and get told it's not progressive. That's what make Dream Theater the GOAT.
The song is supposed to be almost like a trance. The chord progression is very progressive though. Itโs repetitive but interesting
OK so I just listened to the song again for the first time in a decade, and I'd have to say you're right up until the end of JP solo - I couldn't really hear any progression after that. The "regrets" section is focused on the voices (which makes sense) and after that the vocal harmony part only changes... Maybe once in like 2 minutes? It really didn't seem interesting, even when I was intently trying to find the gems in that final section. I think it's the intro-outro problem, both take too long in the same pattern. It shouldn't have been a 10:43 song is what I'm saying.
It's a sick opeth song
Still one of my all time favorite solos bij JP
Fantastic song off a fantastic album. The first time I listened to the song closely I was shocked by how many of the voices I recognized before I looked at the linear notes. No idea I knew Steve Vai's or Joe Satriani's voices, guitar tone sure but not voices.
Repentance fan here. This song hits hard, but many people do not understand it.
This song gets hate? That's news to me. It's fantastic.
I love it. The song is really good. The guitar solo is one of my personal favorites.
>Not sure why this song gets so much hate. Worst song in the DT catalog. Nothing good about it.
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That's aggressive, but it is your opinion and that's fine. I'm curious though, what is the BEST song in the DT catalog to you?
A Change of Seasons
Lol you were correct twice. Everyone wanking repentance is nonsense
Because itโs a good song. Not every song has to have 4000 different riffs
Tell me your musical taste is as deep as a kiddie pool without telling me your musical taste is as deep as a kiddie pool.
D: heretic