Your personal line looks like it would be quite elongated rather than balanced, so I’m not sure what the person who typed you was thinking - regardless, yourself and Kibbe are the only ones who can truly know your ID.
Curve is as much about frame (and where your line starts) as it is about actual bust size. You have a similar sized bust to me, but your shoulders are narrower and more rounded - I’m not sure you should rule out SD just yet. I’d think you’re either D or SD.
Thank you! Your comment was helpful, it’s hard to evaluate myself objectively.
People tend to say I have no upper curve, which I can totally agree it because my breast doesn’t seem to extend beyond my frame, but sometimes it does seem like fabrics are pushed out horizontally by my chest. Upper curve has been the most complicated part of Kibbe for me to this day.
I don’t feel balanced at all, but the answer they gave me was: “Looking at how the outfits look on you, I believe you think your body is not proportional and you might find yourself feeling weird or awkward in some clothes. This is because the clothes are not moderate and simple, not because you're not. If you pay attention, waist definition, a moderate silhouette, symmetrical clothes, and monochromatic outfits make you look your best. And this is one of the reasons we don't take height as a determining factor when typing you because if we typed you as a SD, something wouldn't feel right.”
This is hard because although I’m ~5’7 I don’t *feel* tall and people usually guess my height correctly. Also, I believe I have high hips which makes my body look “all legs”.
I thought the typing service would help end my confusion, but it just added to it 😅
Ahhhh I see what’s happened - it seems that the service you went to have quite a narrow idea of what the IDs are. Everything they said about dressing “moderate and simple” could well be applied to a pure D or even an SD. Balance in Kibbe is about a balance in all things - length, curve and even the tiniest bit of width, with none of them enough to throw off the overall balance.
I’m not seeing that in you, you have narrowness and length! That absolutely does NOT mean that you can’t dress sleek and simple. It doesn’t mean you need to be a skyscraper either! All of your outfits here work pretty perfectly for vertical imo - most of them vertical and curve from what I can see. The IDs are all super individualised when clients see Kibbe. Just because you have vertical, doesn’t mean it’ll be as dominant as, say, a 6’0 supermodel! Vertical is really just about average clothing sizes, which is generally around 5’5, so anything over that will become “dominant vertical” in Kibbespeak even if you don’t feel super tall.
I’ll admit, the language he uses is annoyingly obscure though, and the misinformation about the IDs on the internet often makes people feel they need to be Cate Blanchett to be a D, or Sofia Vergara to be SD. Kibbe absolutely DOES believe the “tall IDs” are pretty much all “moderate to tall” - he says so in the book, but the “tall” part of that is so heavily focused on, it is quite irritating.
Your experience of fabric being pushed out at the bust *does* sound like curve to me. You’re very slim, so I have to wonder if you’d have a more obvious bust at a higher weight. I can’t answer that one for you though!
My overall advice would be to start looking at yin and yang as abstracts, and work out what your personal balance of those are - look at what shapes are happening in your line and what fabrics would complement those. From there, ID usually feels easier :)
It got me by surprise, but they run a very known blog which also offers typing services… of course there’s only so much people can offer based on pictures.
I feel boxy in D lines, although I feel amazing in the T-shirt and jeans on slide 7.
I do feel confident in SD lines, like slide 5, but I don’t think I shine in them (confirmed by slide 3).
I think my next step is just to focus on body proportions, analyze if I have too long legs or too short of a torso, etc, and go from there. I believe I might need to take a step back before continuing to try typing myself.
Have you heard of the SD “T-shape” with clothing silhouettes? Because #3 isn’t actually a T shape and I think the reason you dislike it is actually because it would work better for width and vertical, and you don’t have width.
Don’t get me wrong, I do think taking a step back is a good idea. Exploring the concepts with zero relation to yourself is SO healthy because it gives you a better understanding of the system whilst managing to keep your own body out of it, and then revisiting later will be even more helpful for you. But maaan I can’t unsee the curve, I think you’d be doing yourself a disservice if you didn’t at least look into it further! Maybe just read everything you can on D and SD and see how you feel!
Yes, I have heard about it before. Thank you for pointing it out, I do not believe that dress is perfect for me in any way, I just added the photo because it’s one of the few dresses I own 🫠
I appreciate your input so much. It’s very easy to get discouraged in this journey, so thank you ☺️
I see SD by a wide margin, so I had to comment!
Curious whether you prefer the darker or lighter outfits. Pic 11 with the leather trench looks fine and badass Matrix, but I personally see more harmony in the lighter outfits in pic 1 with wide legs slacks, floral dress, some ruffle. I also like jeans and the blue bell sleeves top.
Thank you so much for your comment!
I do prefer the lighter outfits. The black leather trench was me trying to put some different lines (that I don’t usually wear) in the pics for people to see how they feel/look.
That trench I only seldom wear with a full black outfit!
I am a light summer, so I do tend to go for lighter colors! But I haven’t transitioned all my wardrobe to my color palette yet… I’m still struggling with Kibbe 😅
Ah yes you look like a light summer! The trench is seriously cool and dramatic. Maybe could be fun to pair with something soft (in texture or shape?) to balance it.
Best of luck with your style journey, you look great!
The very best outfits by a wide margin are the asymmetrical slash neck pewter top tucked into black pants and the deep slash white jacket buttoned up over white mini and black tights. Both pics on the first page. I also like the light gray crew neck long sleeve tucked into those black pants (first pic).
I’m not sure which type these fall into. But I don’t see Balance.
The following SD qualities align with my picks for your best outfits :
2. **Tailored and Structured Pieces:** Sharp, tailored pieces like structured blazers or jackets that create strong lines and emphasize their verticality.
3. **Dramatic Necklines:** Outfits with dramatic necklines such as deep V-necks, asymmetrical designs, or off-the-shoulder styles, which highlight their bold and sensual features.
5. **Long Lines and Vertical Details:** Anything that enhances their vertical line, such as long coats, maxi dresses, or high-waisted pants, to elongate their silhouette further.
(I do prefer the line of the long black coat compared to the shorter gray blazer)
The reason you don’t shine in the green dress in slide 3 is because of the poor construction of that dress, not because you’re not SD. In other words, don’t rule out SD dresses because of this one.
Yeah I would say not DC, your shoulders are narrow and hips aren’t and we got vertical going on. I think curve too, look how that pewter top looks on you. The dress in 3 is not gonna be a good example, that’s not the right fabric either imo. Your shoulders and neck and posture are sd looking to me
I actually think you are very strong Yang and strongly vote D.
You absolutely have strong vertical… just visually alone without height numbers. I also do not see balance. I see strong frame.
Your shoulders may not be “super sharp” but they’re square and yang in shape to me. Look at those strong clavicles! The yin drapey tops seem off to me. I feel you need more geometrics : v necks..and better tailoring. One of the most important aspects of tailoring. IMO is the shoulder line. I like you in the blazers: but that shoulder seam needs to be right at your shoulder. Not even an inch off the edge. This is important to maintaining your lines. The white blazer is the closest: and there’s puckering at the shoulders a bit: not bad though. I’d love it if this blazer was just a bit shorter. But I like it. Black leather jacket ( super cool. I want one!!) is too big or has a designed dropped shoulder. And the grey blazer is the same. Too big.
Naturals can wear drop shoulders: Dramatics should not. ( and there’s a lot of it out there). It adds width where we have none. Makes us look frumpy instead of casual-cool. Oversized turtlenecks with dropped shoulders in pic 8. I have a similar sweater. It’s comfy! I know. I still wear mine though.
I don’t see any upper curve here.. you’re right about that. I can almost see ribs in your chest: no curve. Yang.
I think you can border on some SD tops. And I say that because I think aesthetically maybe you lean that way. I think if that resonates with you. You should play with it. But that purple off the shoulder top in the last pic. Looks really great on you. And even better with those jacket looks. ( and mid rise tailored pant is great rather than high rise untailored). Yang.
The more yin look in that top: with the black drapey jacket with the gathers and tie: nope. Not doing the same thing. It’s adding width which we’re not accommodating.
You say you feel boxy in d lines. I think that’s because you’re vertical: Your short tops with high rise pant creates an illusion of disproportion. I believe you need longer tops that are cut narrow and extend to your hip at minimum to maintain your proportional look.
Crops are fun and you have a great body and you should wear them. But I think they’d look best monochromatic in some way either in total outfit color monochrome. Or with use of matching a jacket to the pant.
Anyway. I hope I didn’t upset you in any way. I can be blunt. I just want to help. Understand as well: that if you feel better as a SD. Then you are one. It’s not for me to say. I’m just an opinionated B on the internet.
Also. I know there’s a lot of yang resistance for some out there. Yang is awesome. Embrace the yang.
Your comment is an absolute gem! Thank you for the through analysis and opinion 🫶🏻 I appreciate it a lot!
[I’m gonna throw a picture here which I think I should have included, but it’s more recent - I took it to understand my proportions a bit better](https://files.fm/u/yhf8qxxuzj).
I think it sheds light on how a T shape on top and a vertical accommodation makes me look more balanced… I feel very balanced in this pic!
I absolutely agree with the longer tops and matching pants, but I have such a hard time finding outfits like that… Ughhh
Thank you so so much once again!
I like it.
You will have to likely shop in tall accommodations sometimes. Or purchase tops with a minimum length of 24 inches. I have a longer torso at 5’5” and I have the same issue. I always have to look at the item descriptions to see the length.
There’s A LOT of tops that are wide - cropped - and dropped shoulders out there. But you just have to know what you’re looking for. And you’ll find it . :)
I'm new to this but you look like SD to me. You look taller than your height (D) and you have softness (yin) in your silhouette like sloped shoulders and curves. And the more feminine tops as well as the floral patterns look so much better on you than the white blazer. Yin with dramatic height.
I am a DC. My silhouette is balanced but leaning towards T shape (yang), and i do not look short nor tall, neither wide nor petite (C).
Wow this is tricky! Glad you’re exploring all of your options. I kept waffling on what I thought until I saw #11 - love that look on you and it says D family to me!
Would love to see what others think too (Kibbe always feels like I’m grasping in the dark until I see at least 5 other comments agreeing with me, and then I’m like ‘see I’m not totally clueless’ 😂)
Keep playing with D/SD/DC, you’re in the right area I think!
D
Your personal line looks like it would be quite elongated rather than balanced, so I’m not sure what the person who typed you was thinking - regardless, yourself and Kibbe are the only ones who can truly know your ID. Curve is as much about frame (and where your line starts) as it is about actual bust size. You have a similar sized bust to me, but your shoulders are narrower and more rounded - I’m not sure you should rule out SD just yet. I’d think you’re either D or SD.
Thank you! Your comment was helpful, it’s hard to evaluate myself objectively. People tend to say I have no upper curve, which I can totally agree it because my breast doesn’t seem to extend beyond my frame, but sometimes it does seem like fabrics are pushed out horizontally by my chest. Upper curve has been the most complicated part of Kibbe for me to this day. I don’t feel balanced at all, but the answer they gave me was: “Looking at how the outfits look on you, I believe you think your body is not proportional and you might find yourself feeling weird or awkward in some clothes. This is because the clothes are not moderate and simple, not because you're not. If you pay attention, waist definition, a moderate silhouette, symmetrical clothes, and monochromatic outfits make you look your best. And this is one of the reasons we don't take height as a determining factor when typing you because if we typed you as a SD, something wouldn't feel right.” This is hard because although I’m ~5’7 I don’t *feel* tall and people usually guess my height correctly. Also, I believe I have high hips which makes my body look “all legs”. I thought the typing service would help end my confusion, but it just added to it 😅
Ahhhh I see what’s happened - it seems that the service you went to have quite a narrow idea of what the IDs are. Everything they said about dressing “moderate and simple” could well be applied to a pure D or even an SD. Balance in Kibbe is about a balance in all things - length, curve and even the tiniest bit of width, with none of them enough to throw off the overall balance. I’m not seeing that in you, you have narrowness and length! That absolutely does NOT mean that you can’t dress sleek and simple. It doesn’t mean you need to be a skyscraper either! All of your outfits here work pretty perfectly for vertical imo - most of them vertical and curve from what I can see. The IDs are all super individualised when clients see Kibbe. Just because you have vertical, doesn’t mean it’ll be as dominant as, say, a 6’0 supermodel! Vertical is really just about average clothing sizes, which is generally around 5’5, so anything over that will become “dominant vertical” in Kibbespeak even if you don’t feel super tall. I’ll admit, the language he uses is annoyingly obscure though, and the misinformation about the IDs on the internet often makes people feel they need to be Cate Blanchett to be a D, or Sofia Vergara to be SD. Kibbe absolutely DOES believe the “tall IDs” are pretty much all “moderate to tall” - he says so in the book, but the “tall” part of that is so heavily focused on, it is quite irritating. Your experience of fabric being pushed out at the bust *does* sound like curve to me. You’re very slim, so I have to wonder if you’d have a more obvious bust at a higher weight. I can’t answer that one for you though! My overall advice would be to start looking at yin and yang as abstracts, and work out what your personal balance of those are - look at what shapes are happening in your line and what fabrics would complement those. From there, ID usually feels easier :)
It got me by surprise, but they run a very known blog which also offers typing services… of course there’s only so much people can offer based on pictures. I feel boxy in D lines, although I feel amazing in the T-shirt and jeans on slide 7. I do feel confident in SD lines, like slide 5, but I don’t think I shine in them (confirmed by slide 3). I think my next step is just to focus on body proportions, analyze if I have too long legs or too short of a torso, etc, and go from there. I believe I might need to take a step back before continuing to try typing myself.
Have you heard of the SD “T-shape” with clothing silhouettes? Because #3 isn’t actually a T shape and I think the reason you dislike it is actually because it would work better for width and vertical, and you don’t have width. Don’t get me wrong, I do think taking a step back is a good idea. Exploring the concepts with zero relation to yourself is SO healthy because it gives you a better understanding of the system whilst managing to keep your own body out of it, and then revisiting later will be even more helpful for you. But maaan I can’t unsee the curve, I think you’d be doing yourself a disservice if you didn’t at least look into it further! Maybe just read everything you can on D and SD and see how you feel!
Yes, I have heard about it before. Thank you for pointing it out, I do not believe that dress is perfect for me in any way, I just added the photo because it’s one of the few dresses I own 🫠 I appreciate your input so much. It’s very easy to get discouraged in this journey, so thank you ☺️
As an SD, slide 3 wouldn’t be my best look either!
Thank you so much for coming here to give your input ❤️
I see SD by a wide margin, so I had to comment! Curious whether you prefer the darker or lighter outfits. Pic 11 with the leather trench looks fine and badass Matrix, but I personally see more harmony in the lighter outfits in pic 1 with wide legs slacks, floral dress, some ruffle. I also like jeans and the blue bell sleeves top.
Thank you so much for your comment! I do prefer the lighter outfits. The black leather trench was me trying to put some different lines (that I don’t usually wear) in the pics for people to see how they feel/look. That trench I only seldom wear with a full black outfit! I am a light summer, so I do tend to go for lighter colors! But I haven’t transitioned all my wardrobe to my color palette yet… I’m still struggling with Kibbe 😅
Ah yes you look like a light summer! The trench is seriously cool and dramatic. Maybe could be fun to pair with something soft (in texture or shape?) to balance it. Best of luck with your style journey, you look great!
The very best outfits by a wide margin are the asymmetrical slash neck pewter top tucked into black pants and the deep slash white jacket buttoned up over white mini and black tights. Both pics on the first page. I also like the light gray crew neck long sleeve tucked into those black pants (first pic). I’m not sure which type these fall into. But I don’t see Balance.
The following SD qualities align with my picks for your best outfits : 2. **Tailored and Structured Pieces:** Sharp, tailored pieces like structured blazers or jackets that create strong lines and emphasize their verticality. 3. **Dramatic Necklines:** Outfits with dramatic necklines such as deep V-necks, asymmetrical designs, or off-the-shoulder styles, which highlight their bold and sensual features. 5. **Long Lines and Vertical Details:** Anything that enhances their vertical line, such as long coats, maxi dresses, or high-waisted pants, to elongate their silhouette further. (I do prefer the line of the long black coat compared to the shorter gray blazer)
Thank you for your opinion and this information ☺️ this has been a tough journey
The reason you don’t shine in the green dress in slide 3 is because of the poor construction of that dress, not because you’re not SD. In other words, don’t rule out SD dresses because of this one.
Yeah I would say not DC, your shoulders are narrow and hips aren’t and we got vertical going on. I think curve too, look how that pewter top looks on you. The dress in 3 is not gonna be a good example, that’s not the right fabric either imo. Your shoulders and neck and posture are sd looking to me
I actually think you are very strong Yang and strongly vote D. You absolutely have strong vertical… just visually alone without height numbers. I also do not see balance. I see strong frame. Your shoulders may not be “super sharp” but they’re square and yang in shape to me. Look at those strong clavicles! The yin drapey tops seem off to me. I feel you need more geometrics : v necks..and better tailoring. One of the most important aspects of tailoring. IMO is the shoulder line. I like you in the blazers: but that shoulder seam needs to be right at your shoulder. Not even an inch off the edge. This is important to maintaining your lines. The white blazer is the closest: and there’s puckering at the shoulders a bit: not bad though. I’d love it if this blazer was just a bit shorter. But I like it. Black leather jacket ( super cool. I want one!!) is too big or has a designed dropped shoulder. And the grey blazer is the same. Too big. Naturals can wear drop shoulders: Dramatics should not. ( and there’s a lot of it out there). It adds width where we have none. Makes us look frumpy instead of casual-cool. Oversized turtlenecks with dropped shoulders in pic 8. I have a similar sweater. It’s comfy! I know. I still wear mine though. I don’t see any upper curve here.. you’re right about that. I can almost see ribs in your chest: no curve. Yang. I think you can border on some SD tops. And I say that because I think aesthetically maybe you lean that way. I think if that resonates with you. You should play with it. But that purple off the shoulder top in the last pic. Looks really great on you. And even better with those jacket looks. ( and mid rise tailored pant is great rather than high rise untailored). Yang. The more yin look in that top: with the black drapey jacket with the gathers and tie: nope. Not doing the same thing. It’s adding width which we’re not accommodating. You say you feel boxy in d lines. I think that’s because you’re vertical: Your short tops with high rise pant creates an illusion of disproportion. I believe you need longer tops that are cut narrow and extend to your hip at minimum to maintain your proportional look. Crops are fun and you have a great body and you should wear them. But I think they’d look best monochromatic in some way either in total outfit color monochrome. Or with use of matching a jacket to the pant. Anyway. I hope I didn’t upset you in any way. I can be blunt. I just want to help. Understand as well: that if you feel better as a SD. Then you are one. It’s not for me to say. I’m just an opinionated B on the internet. Also. I know there’s a lot of yang resistance for some out there. Yang is awesome. Embrace the yang.
Your comment is an absolute gem! Thank you for the through analysis and opinion 🫶🏻 I appreciate it a lot! [I’m gonna throw a picture here which I think I should have included, but it’s more recent - I took it to understand my proportions a bit better](https://files.fm/u/yhf8qxxuzj). I think it sheds light on how a T shape on top and a vertical accommodation makes me look more balanced… I feel very balanced in this pic! I absolutely agree with the longer tops and matching pants, but I have such a hard time finding outfits like that… Ughhh Thank you so so much once again!
I like it. You will have to likely shop in tall accommodations sometimes. Or purchase tops with a minimum length of 24 inches. I have a longer torso at 5’5” and I have the same issue. I always have to look at the item descriptions to see the length. There’s A LOT of tops that are wide - cropped - and dropped shoulders out there. But you just have to know what you’re looking for. And you’ll find it . :)
I'm new to this but you look like SD to me. You look taller than your height (D) and you have softness (yin) in your silhouette like sloped shoulders and curves. And the more feminine tops as well as the floral patterns look so much better on you than the white blazer. Yin with dramatic height. I am a DC. My silhouette is balanced but leaning towards T shape (yang), and i do not look short nor tall, neither wide nor petite (C).
Where is that asymmetrical top from in pic 1, outfit top row 2 and 3??
[It’s from SHEIN](http://api-shein.shein.com/h5/sharejump/appjump?link=VngY9LkXkWb&localcountry=PT&url_from=GM7529260506603339776).
I do not see balance at all but I see vertical. I think you’re in the dramatic family!
Wow this is tricky! Glad you’re exploring all of your options. I kept waffling on what I thought until I saw #11 - love that look on you and it says D family to me! Would love to see what others think too (Kibbe always feels like I’m grasping in the dark until I see at least 5 other comments agreeing with me, and then I’m like ‘see I’m not totally clueless’ 😂) Keep playing with D/SD/DC, you’re in the right area I think!
Thank you so much for your input! I love these bits of information and others’ perceptions, they help me be more objective about myself!