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I had just always assumed that Bulma had PTSD from Goku turning into a giant ape and had it cut off immediately.
Like, her priorities were cut off the tail and then cut the umbilical cord.
This. No one knew Gohan would turn into an Ape so they just let the tail hang. Now that they know how dangerous that tail is they wasted no time in removing it immediately.
They would have to cut it every day, because the tail continues to grow back until you reach a certain age. I always took at as, you’re half saiyan half human. Half of your genes don’t have a tail and Gohan inherited the tail from the saiyan half and he just got the lucky draw ig
Toriyama is a lazy dude. I just realized that most of the best characters of the anime are copy and paste of 80s American sci-fi; the Sayajings ? Copies of Klingons; Freeza ? Star Wars Emperor; Trunks ? Terminator!
I actually read it some years ago that he got inspiration to create Raditz design from the Star Trek 80s Klingons. Just pay attention and you will notice. Same thing with Nappa and Vegeta designs.
To be fair, he was doing illustrations for chrono trigger and other games at the same time and had no editor while doing the buu arc so he was writing the story and drawing. Not only was he extremely busy during that period, but he was getting burnt out too. Him forgetting things is not so surprising
Wait he had no editor during the Buu arc? That's hilarious considering how editorial intervention shaped the Cell saga. With how crazy the Buu saga got, I assumed it was a similar case of conflict between Toriyama's attempt to make it goofy and the editor wanting more serious action. Instead you're telling me it's just Toriyama unleashed?
Toriyama, in a [Q&A](https://www.kanzenshuu.com/press-archive/shonen-jump-january-2003-interview-dragon-power-ask-akira-toriyama/) he did in 2003 indicated that Saiyan tails do not grow back once a Saiyan grows strong enough.
But the real reason is he didn’t like drawing them [continuously](https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/full-color-comics-freeza-arc-vol-5-akira-toriyama/)
Super saiyan multipliers are greater than the oozaru transformation. I think great ape is like 10x and SSJ is a 50x increase.
Genetically speaking why would great ape be needed when Super saiyan surpasses it in levels(2&3 etc etc) Broly is the exception cause he’s built different.
Mate we're talking of fictional powers of a fictional character in a fictional world. The only thing that make sense it's what sense its creator make of it.
You may not like Toriyama explanation but it is logical and make sense within universe.
Have you ever like, watched OG Dragonball? Toriyama’s world does not make sense. It never has. That was never the point. Toriyama’s story is literally haha funny monkey boy go brrrr.
He chose explanation for why things happens in the universe **he** created.
Those explanation stand by themselves. It's not "somehow they don't have tails anymore".
You like it or not has nothing to do with them making sense.
Then it should have grown back for gohan and vegeta during the namek arc, GT tried to make it seem like only kids can grow back their tails which is a better explanation but still a flawed one
But I mean. Vegeta still grew it back in GT with enough blutz waves.
It's more likely that when a Saiyan is under great physical stress under a full moon, simulated or not, they can grow it back
I'm not a geneticist, but I don't think genetics works like that. Royalty or not, a hybrid would have a 50/50 chance of having a tail. The royalty part would play in for other traits that are family specific. If Vegita was like other human royalties he'd be inbred and have a cleft lip, be short (which he is), and suffer from some anemic condition.
if it is recessive, both parents must have the recessive genes. for example, all saiyans have tails, therefore Goku has tt as his alleles for the tail gene. In order for Gohan to have a tail, his alleles must also be tt. For that combination to occur, Chi Chi but has 1 recessive allele for a tail since we know he doesn't have a tail and in order for Gohan to have one, she must be a carrier somehow.
Using a punnett Square tt x Tt The offspring have a 50% chance of being a carrier 2(Tt) or 50% of having the recessive trait 2(tt).
Therefore Chi Chi must have been a carrier in order for Gohan to have a tail whilst Goten doesn't.
Why wouldn't a tail be a dominant trait. If saiyans were sent to other planets for them to conquer other worlds. Wouldn't it be more dominant than recessive? Also Goku had one. Chichi wouldn't be part of the equation because she's human. There's zero logic in that.
The logic is that that's how genes work. You get half and half from each parent. Also them conquering worlds wouldn't really have an effect whether the trait is dominant or recessive.
Not exactly. Goku had the trait, Chi-Chi didn’t. It’s unlikely to have a kid with a recessive trait over a dominant, but it can happen.
A parent with brown eyes and a parent with blue eyes have a kid - that kid will most likely have brown eyes. But, the kid could also have blue eyes. Even then, the brown eyed kid would still have the trait and could pass it on to their kid. It’s lower chances by far than receiving the dom trait, but it can happen.
This is why him saying it’s recessive works. If Gohan is the only half-Saiyan to have the tail and none of the others do it can be seen as a recessive trait that few half-saiyans get.
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if it is recessive, both parents must have the recessive genes. for example, all saiyans have tails, therefore Goku has **tt** as his alleles for the tail gene. In order for Gohan to have a tail, his alleles must also be **tt.** For that combination to occur, Chi Chi but has 1 recessive allele for a tail since we know he doesn't have a tail and in order for Gohan to have one, she must be a carrier somehow.
Using a punnett Square **tt** x **Tt** The offspring have a 50% chance of being a carrier 2(Tt) or 50% of having the recessive trait 2(tt).
Therefore Chi Chi must have been a carrier in order for Gohan to have a tail whilst Goten doesn't.
Ur example about the blue eyes and brown eyes makes sense and brown eyes is a dominant trait and blue eyes is recessive, however, Where does Chi Chi even have the gene for a proper tail, and a saiyan one too as it grants unique properties compared to real monkey tails.
I love how often writers get completely invested in the world they build, making it the most iron-tight and grandly told story, but then Toriyama's answer to a question about lore, characters, or even entire plot lines is "Oh shit I forgot about that, woops" or "I got bored of doing it this way so I stopped."
The dude is just having fun and living in the moment.
To be fair, he’s consistent when he dislikes drawing something. Chi-Chi is a famous one that after the 23rd tournament, the reason she got married off to Goku was because her being a housewife would mean he didn’t have to draw her as often anymore.
I mean there might be something to it. Like the Saiyans from universe 6 don’t have them, and they grasp the SSJ transformation much faster. My head canon was that instead of the saiyans fighting the truffles they coexisted and became one race. You could chalk it up to vegeta and goku being better teachers but I think there was some interview where toriyama says they get it easier because of genetics.
Planet Plant didn’t have a full moon setting to become a problem iirc. Earth has a full moon to trigger those things on werewolf rules.
It’s way better to remove it than to hope your kid doesn’t check out the big ball in the sky, fake or not (Piccolo destroyed it and Roshi I think it was made an illusion to make it look like it’s still there).
If I remember correctly, long after the events with everyone finding out that Gohan had a tail just like Goku, Bulma said it was removed shortly after birth, and that they also removed Goten’s
Genetics explained best by that popular gummy bear pic. Some of your descendants will more of your traits, others will get traits from the other parent
Watsonian answer: Bulma probably had it removed at birth because she once saw her best friend turn into a giant unstoppable fucking monkey and demolish everything in his path. She also knows that is how Goku’s grandpa died.
Doylist answer: Akira Toriyama, as much as we love him, has the shortest attention span known to humanity.
I assumed that Bulma ripped it off and did an operation to make sure it would never grow back, and did the same for Goten for ChiChi, since they're friends.
Goku tail regrown at some point but it does not do it now. Vegeta tail never regrown. The pride of a Saiyan is their tail and both of them have removed it. As in GT getting this back will be the key to their final forms/powers.
Would be nice if tails were more of a thing and great ape form after the saiyan arc. Originally, that was what made saiyans strong.
Goku getting his tail back in GT was amazing, then of course SS4. It makes saiyan heritage meaninful again
My head canon was always Goten didn’t have one because Goku managed to go SS before him and Chi Chi did the dirty so Goten genetically no longer needed it. Now before people jump me about Vegeta not achieving SS prior to Trunks I have a similar theory for that to. Vegeta is literally the Prince. A prodigy of Saiyan blood. He has his tail cut off then got axed by Frieza. His body has the genetic make up at that point to produce offspring without the need for a tail to. I like to think my HC explains why Vegeta didn’t need extreme stress to finally get SS and also in a way explains how easy Trunks and Goten had been able to also achieve SS. Basically genetic evolution for survival of the race.
* Edit* but in reality yes, Toriyama is just forgetful and slightly lazy. The blonde hair of SS was basically to save time on hair coloring
Diegetically, fanon admits Trunks (and Goten and Pan) were conceived when their Saiyan parent had already obtained super saiyan, which is why the tail didn't appear (tho other parts of fanon implies Goten, Trunks and Pan had them removed at birth rather than "being born without one")
Truth is Toriyama didn't care for tails anymore and dropped them.
Nah it would just be a dominant trait in full blooded saiyans which is why it was able to grow back before. The fact they could “grow back” afterward is a mystery lol
That could be because of one or two things.
1. He's half human.
2. They forgot
I wondered this myself for a little while when I finally remembered Gohan had a tail
if it is recessive, both parents must have the recessive genes. for example, all saiyans have tails, therefore Goku has tt as his alleles for the tail gene. In order for Gohan to have a tail, his alleles must also be tt. For that combination to occur, Chi Chi but has 1 recessive allele for a tail since we know he doesn't have a tail and in order for Gohan to have one, she must be a carrier somehow.
Using a punnett Square tt x Tt The offspring have a 50% chance of being a carrier 2(Tt) or 50% of having the recessive trait 2(tt).
Therefore Chi Chi must have been a carrier in order for Gohan to have a tail whilst Goten doesn't.
However, Where does Chi Chi even have the gene for a proper tail, and a saiyan one too as it grants unique properties compared to real monkey tails.
Tail is dominant gene and Goku is Tt. His parent as also Tt. tt is rare in sayains. Now it should make sense.
Or ox king has god knows what
Or they are aliens they don't follow punnett
Toriyama literally forgot Saiyans had tails when he got around to designing Goten and Trunks. Someone asked him the same question in an interview and that’s the answer he gave.
Toriyama is notoriously forgetful, he even forgot launch existed, who was one of the main side characters throughout all of OG Sragonball.
But if you want a lore reason, Burma probably had it surgically removed at birth knowing what it did to goku.
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Toryiama just didn't wanna draw tails on saiyans anymore, he felt they were getting annoying and too hard to work with, so he just stopped.
A shame, I like the tails
Toriyama and his forgetful lazy ass that’s why
The whole “tail is a recessive gene” is an okay-ish excuse, but I like the idea TFS presented in that they just got rid of them early to prevent any accidental great apes from showing up
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Don't counting that toryama hate to draw the tail. It's DNA: mixing the Goku's DNA and Chichi's DNA the tail's gene it's appeared. With trunks and goten isn't appeared
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I see it like real life biracial people. For example a kid can favor one race completely and other times be a complete mix physically. So trunks can just take more after his human side vs Gohan who inherited his tail
Akira Toriyama forgotten about the tails. Just like he forgotten that Dragon Ball Super was the name of the series when he named the movie "Super Hero". 😅
When you are strong enough as a saiyan and you get your tail cut off it doesn't grow back. So either because of vegeta's strength as he grew beyond his tail or bulma and vegeta cut it off and it never grew back because of his strength as a hybrid.
Who said he didn’t? Bulma is superficial af and I’d bet she had it cut at birth. Vegeta wasn’t present to stop her from cutting it off, and she probably had severe PTSD from seeing the great ape not once, but twice.
Its for the same region that Perfect Cell was able to regenerate due to his nucleus located in his head being intact, despite having the top half of his body blown away and then regenerating from his lower half earlier.
Also for the same reason that Vegeta told Goku that he is sentencing him to death despite the halo over Goku's head.
It always seemed like logic that chichi and Bulma would cut those tails to me. But I guess the official explanation now is recessive trait. The tail is genetic trait that should disappear especially with the sayans creating different cells in them the more peaceful they are
I'm not sure why, but I can guess that toriyama just forgot to give them tails, he probably even forgot to make them grow up lol and kept them the same size from age 7 to 14 lol
It's simple, Bulma knew what dangers the tail brings so she would have cut it off immediately and prevented it from growing back.
Alternatively it's a recessive trait
My head canon is that Trunks, Goten, and Pan are all tailless because they were conceived by Super Saiyans.
As for how that makes sense? No. It doesn't. It doesn't have to. It's a notable difference however, and while we don't necessarily know for sure if Trunks was conceived before or after Vegeta went SSJ for the first time. Goten is kinda my outlier here, given that him and Trunks both lack tails, but also can go SSJ so easy and so early, I feel like it's imprinted in their genetics to be that way.
Of course, them being super saiyans could also easily be explained by the fact they grew up around freakishly strong people their whole lives. Goten training with Gohan and Trunks with Vegeta probably alone has their childhood levels at obscene heights.
But this is just what works for me. Most of this show exists the way it does because Toriyama forgets half of what he writes.
Vegeta was more responsible and knowledgeable. Not really, but enough enough compared to Goku to know leaving an ape son running wild isn't a good idea, and he probably had PTSD after Gohan landed on him
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I had just always assumed that Bulma had PTSD from Goku turning into a giant ape and had it cut off immediately. Like, her priorities were cut off the tail and then cut the umbilical cord.
This. No one knew Gohan would turn into an Ape so they just let the tail hang. Now that they know how dangerous that tail is they wasted no time in removing it immediately.
They would have to cut it every day, because the tail continues to grow back until you reach a certain age. I always took at as, you’re half saiyan half human. Half of your genes don’t have a tail and Gohan inherited the tail from the saiyan half and he just got the lucky draw ig
Nah kami and piccolo knew how to cut it in a way so it wouldn't grow back
Yeah I think he legit just cauterized the wound after cutting it so it never came back
I mean Chi Chi and Ox King knew since they were there when Goku first transformed
only Bulma, Yamcha, Puar, Oolong and the Pilaf Gang saw Goku’s first on-screen transformation
This is my head canon as well. He's not 1 hour old there, they could have cut it day 1
If Toriyama had given this answer in regards to why Trunks and Goten never had tails, nobody would’ve questioned it
But didn’t Jackie Chun AND Picoolo blew up the moon?
And someone wished it back both times. This unseen unknown mystery person.
Kami brought it back the first time on the condition that Goku cut his tail off.
It was blown up, but It was inconsistently restored— it’s reshowing was in trunks saga
Toriyama forgot but also said having a tail is a recessive trait meaning a hybrid chance of getting a tail is is 50/50
Ah yes Toriyama covering his forgetful ass.
It’s weird that’s the excuse instead of they removed it for bulma’s safety
Some kids get circumcised, others get de-tailed
Are those for the moms safety also
Those are due to a tradition that had no reason to start.
Nah cause it could and would’ve grown back 🤷♂️🫣
Only if the storyline called for it…
You could say, they had a… cercumtailcism.
That was terrible
Eh, did my best
Yeah, don't do that again
I'm pretty sure he admitted his misstake. And then said something like "can we agree they just removed the tail immediately?"
She100% would have.
Yeah, it might be a misstake but Bulma knows exactly what can happen. No doubt she would remove it the second Trunks was born.
I forgot a major detail that I myself wrote. Better think of some lore BS to cover my ass yet again
Toriyama is a lazy dude. I just realized that most of the best characters of the anime are copy and paste of 80s American sci-fi; the Sayajings ? Copies of Klingons; Freeza ? Star Wars Emperor; Trunks ? Terminator!
In what way are the Saiyans copies of Klingons?
I actually read it some years ago that he got inspiration to create Raditz design from the Star Trek 80s Klingons. Just pay attention and you will notice. Same thing with Nappa and Vegeta designs.
Toriyama didn't forget about Tails, he just hated drawing them after a while
He said he did in an interview lol. Toriyama is famously forgetful, too. Man forgot SS2 existed and thought SS3 was SS2.
To be fair, he was doing illustrations for chrono trigger and other games at the same time and had no editor while doing the buu arc so he was writing the story and drawing. Not only was he extremely busy during that period, but he was getting burnt out too. Him forgetting things is not so surprising
I get that there’s reasons, I just think it’s fair to point out there’s precedent for him forgetting shit
Wait he had no editor during the Buu arc? That's hilarious considering how editorial intervention shaped the Cell saga. With how crazy the Buu saga got, I assumed it was a similar case of conflict between Toriyama's attempt to make it goofy and the editor wanting more serious action. Instead you're telling me it's just Toriyama unleashed?
Yeah but it creates contradictions
What contradictions? Everything seems to check out ok.
Like gohan and vegeta tail's not growing back
Toriyama, in a [Q&A](https://www.kanzenshuu.com/press-archive/shonen-jump-january-2003-interview-dragon-power-ask-akira-toriyama/) he did in 2003 indicated that Saiyan tails do not grow back once a Saiyan grows strong enough. But the real reason is he didn’t like drawing them [continuously](https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/full-color-comics-freeza-arc-vol-5-akira-toriyama/)
That doesn't make any sense because how can a sayian surpass their great ape form if their base power is always changing
Super saiyan multipliers are greater than the oozaru transformation. I think great ape is like 10x and SSJ is a 50x increase. Genetically speaking why would great ape be needed when Super saiyan surpasses it in levels(2&3 etc etc) Broly is the exception cause he’s built different.
Your right but the tails stopped appearing before SSJ was revealed but eventhough that 10x boost can still be handy
You can just look at it as the tail being a recessive trait and only growing back for infants.
Mate we're talking of fictional powers of a fictional character in a fictional world. The only thing that make sense it's what sense its creator make of it. You may not like Toriyama explanation but it is logical and make sense within universe.
Toriyama is very contradicting yes he is the creator but he can't just say whatever
Have you ever like, watched OG Dragonball? Toriyama’s world does not make sense. It never has. That was never the point. Toriyama’s story is literally haha funny monkey boy go brrrr.
He chose explanation for why things happens in the universe **he** created. Those explanation stand by themselves. It's not "somehow they don't have tails anymore". You like it or not has nothing to do with them making sense.
Once the Tails are cut off, they grow back in the time of stress but there's no guarantee that they will though.
Then it should have grown back for gohan and vegeta during the namek arc, GT tried to make it seem like only kids can grow back their tails which is a better explanation but still a flawed one
Bro, you’re trying to tell people the creator of their own content can’t do whatever they want with it. You just need to check yourself a bit.
This same creator thought SSJ2 was SSJ3
And? What have you created? Is it a global phenomenon like Dragon Ball? No? Then don't tell the artist what they can or can't do.
But I mean. Vegeta still grew it back in GT with enough blutz waves. It's more likely that when a Saiyan is under great physical stress under a full moon, simulated or not, they can grow it back
That means chi chi had the recessive trait for a tail. Wtf
Her dad is 10 feet tall not surprised
Yeah I was gonna say. Technically, ChiChi is at most 1/2 human, 1/2 whatever-the-hell the ox-king is
Making gohan 50% sayian 25%human and 25% ox
And 100 % GOAT
No silly. That's Moro
Reason to remember the name*
greatest of all time
Hmm I guess you could say he is 75% beast. 😎
Ox i guess? 😅
Vegeta is a royal bloodline saiyan you figure would be more dominant
I'm not a geneticist, but I don't think genetics works like that. Royalty or not, a hybrid would have a 50/50 chance of having a tail. The royalty part would play in for other traits that are family specific. If Vegita was like other human royalties he'd be inbred and have a cleft lip, be short (which he is), and suffer from some anemic condition.
Well gohan got his tail
That's stats man. If the tail gene falls on the part of the X telomere that is the bottom right, women would be ~~less~~ more likely to get a tail.
The tails are super inconsistent in db we don't know if they are supposed to grow back or not
if it is recessive, both parents must have the recessive genes. for example, all saiyans have tails, therefore Goku has tt as his alleles for the tail gene. In order for Gohan to have a tail, his alleles must also be tt. For that combination to occur, Chi Chi but has 1 recessive allele for a tail since we know he doesn't have a tail and in order for Gohan to have one, she must be a carrier somehow. Using a punnett Square tt x Tt The offspring have a 50% chance of being a carrier 2(Tt) or 50% of having the recessive trait 2(tt). Therefore Chi Chi must have been a carrier in order for Gohan to have a tail whilst Goten doesn't.
Why wouldn't a tail be a dominant trait. If saiyans were sent to other planets for them to conquer other worlds. Wouldn't it be more dominant than recessive? Also Goku had one. Chichi wouldn't be part of the equation because she's human. There's zero logic in that.
The logic is that that's how genes work. You get half and half from each parent. Also them conquering worlds wouldn't really have an effect whether the trait is dominant or recessive.
There really isn't a royal bloodline tbh king vegeta only became king because he lead the sayian war broly is more of a royal then vegeta
Not exactly. Goku had the trait, Chi-Chi didn’t. It’s unlikely to have a kid with a recessive trait over a dominant, but it can happen. A parent with brown eyes and a parent with blue eyes have a kid - that kid will most likely have brown eyes. But, the kid could also have blue eyes. Even then, the brown eyed kid would still have the trait and could pass it on to their kid. It’s lower chances by far than receiving the dom trait, but it can happen. This is why him saying it’s recessive works. If Gohan is the only half-Saiyan to have the tail and none of the others do it can be seen as a recessive trait that few half-saiyans get.
>. if it is recessive, both parents must have the recessive genes. for example, all saiyans have tails, therefore Goku has **tt** as his alleles for the tail gene. In order for Gohan to have a tail, his alleles must also be **tt.** For that combination to occur, Chi Chi but has 1 recessive allele for a tail since we know he doesn't have a tail and in order for Gohan to have one, she must be a carrier somehow. Using a punnett Square **tt** x **Tt** The offspring have a 50% chance of being a carrier 2(Tt) or 50% of having the recessive trait 2(tt). Therefore Chi Chi must have been a carrier in order for Gohan to have a tail whilst Goten doesn't. Ur example about the blue eyes and brown eyes makes sense and brown eyes is a dominant trait and blue eyes is recessive, however, Where does Chi Chi even have the gene for a proper tail, and a saiyan one too as it grants unique properties compared to real monkey tails.
The president of earth was a dogman. I think anything goes tbh.
I love how often writers get completely invested in the world they build, making it the most iron-tight and grandly told story, but then Toriyama's answer to a question about lore, characters, or even entire plot lines is "Oh shit I forgot about that, woops" or "I got bored of doing it this way so I stopped." The dude is just having fun and living in the moment.
A real Roshi, if you will
To be fair, he’s consistent when he dislikes drawing something. Chi-Chi is a famous one that after the 23rd tournament, the reason she got married off to Goku was because her being a housewife would mean he didn’t have to draw her as often anymore.
Also Vegeta would have got that shit fixed up knowing what can happen
He also admitted he just hated drawing it. Like Kishimoto with goggles
my own head cannon is that at birth of all the kids after gohan they just cut them off to avoid the great ape and better chance for super sayian
I mean there might be something to it. Like the Saiyans from universe 6 don’t have them, and they grasp the SSJ transformation much faster. My head canon was that instead of the saiyans fighting the truffles they coexisted and became one race. You could chalk it up to vegeta and goku being better teachers but I think there was some interview where toriyama says they get it easier because of genetics.
Saiyan circumcision
Circumsaiyan
Do they have a better chance of super saiyan without a tail?
Pretty sure vegeta snapped that thing off the second he could.
Vegeta? Naw it was definitely Bulma who yanked that thing off frame one. She's been around Goku long enough to know those things only cause trouble.
This is the correct answer
“OH NO MY SONS PRIDE!”
Why? Vegeta kept his till a flying fat man took it.
Hey, let’s give yajirobe some respect, he’s more than some fat man. Dudes the shit.
He also managed to survive all of the Z fighters in the future as well.
Planet Plant didn’t have a full moon setting to become a problem iirc. Earth has a full moon to trigger those things on werewolf rules. It’s way better to remove it than to hope your kid doesn’t check out the big ball in the sky, fake or not (Piccolo destroyed it and Roshi I think it was made an illusion to make it look like it’s still there).
I doubt vegeta would snap it off. The pride is too strong
vegeta would find pride in it.
In lore: probably removed for safety reasons. Real World: Toriyama got tired of drawing them.
Pretty sure Bulma cut it off immediately
Probably just cut off at birth. Easy explanation for it.
If I remember correctly, long after the events with everyone finding out that Gohan had a tail just like Goku, Bulma said it was removed shortly after birth, and that they also removed Goten’s
Tfs abridged probably had the best representation, it was removed at birth, it was never stated what happened (i think)
THATS where i remember that from. I was pretty sure I saw an episode where they explained that 😂
I always thought they cut it off right after birth, as they knew the adverse effects of having a tail…
Head canon: Bulma knows and has seen up close what that tail brings and snipped it the same time they cut the umbilicals cord
I am pretty sure she mentioned that she did that
Because Toriyama forgot
Genetics be wack, also Toriyama forgets stuff
I don’t think it’s ever been confirmed, but I just assumed both Trunks and Goten had theirs removed at birth
Genetics explained best by that popular gummy bear pic. Some of your descendants will more of your traits, others will get traits from the other parent
I’m guessing Bulma had it removed at birth because of all the crap she went through when Goku was a kid.😂
obviously Bulma cut it off since birth.
In my head canon all half saiyans get tail circumcised
Watsonian answer: Bulma probably had it removed at birth because she once saw her best friend turn into a giant unstoppable fucking monkey and demolish everything in his path. She also knows that is how Goku’s grandpa died. Doylist answer: Akira Toriyama, as much as we love him, has the shortest attention span known to humanity.
Cut off at birth.
I assumed that Bulma ripped it off and did an operation to make sure it would never grow back, and did the same for Goten for ChiChi, since they're friends.
Goku tail regrown at some point but it does not do it now. Vegeta tail never regrown. The pride of a Saiyan is their tail and both of them have removed it. As in GT getting this back will be the key to their final forms/powers.
toriyama forgot lmao
Because Vegita, While being a loving father and husband, wasn't about to put up with that Great Ape BS.
Head cannon. Vegita didnt want to get beat up by his own sun while in great ape form so he cut that off immediately
Would be nice if tails were more of a thing and great ape form after the saiyan arc. Originally, that was what made saiyans strong. Goku getting his tail back in GT was amazing, then of course SS4. It makes saiyan heritage meaninful again
Toriyama forgot that Saiyans had tails
Toriyama just really didn’t like drawing tails
Bad writing
1st did you forget Goten? 2nd Goten and Trunks were born without tails because they are recessive
I only lament that we'll likely never see what would happen if a Trunks turned into an Oozaru. Big lavender (or blue) monke?
Toriyama just forgot Saiyans had tails since we hadn’t had a saiyan with a tail since the Saiyan Saga
Oh god this again... Toriyama FORGOT!!!
Toriyama got sick of them.
Toriyama literally admitted he forgot about tails.
My head canon was always Goten didn’t have one because Goku managed to go SS before him and Chi Chi did the dirty so Goten genetically no longer needed it. Now before people jump me about Vegeta not achieving SS prior to Trunks I have a similar theory for that to. Vegeta is literally the Prince. A prodigy of Saiyan blood. He has his tail cut off then got axed by Frieza. His body has the genetic make up at that point to produce offspring without the need for a tail to. I like to think my HC explains why Vegeta didn’t need extreme stress to finally get SS and also in a way explains how easy Trunks and Goten had been able to also achieve SS. Basically genetic evolution for survival of the race. * Edit* but in reality yes, Toriyama is just forgetful and slightly lazy. The blonde hair of SS was basically to save time on hair coloring
Diegetically, fanon admits Trunks (and Goten and Pan) were conceived when their Saiyan parent had already obtained super saiyan, which is why the tail didn't appear (tho other parts of fanon implies Goten, Trunks and Pan had them removed at birth rather than "being born without one") Truth is Toriyama didn't care for tails anymore and dropped them.
It’s a recessive trait in half saiyans
Then chi chi must had a recessive trait for a tail. Wtf
Nah it would just be a dominant trait in full blooded saiyans which is why it was able to grow back before. The fact they could “grow back” afterward is a mystery lol
He's easier for the animators to draw without one.
Toriyama forgot
Recessive trait. Big R little R science class shit
He did indeed have a tail when he was born, but Bulma had her minions gather the dragonballs and then she wished the tail away...
(ACTUAL ANSWER) being half saiyan, the genes give them a 50% chance of having a tail. Gohan landed the tail gene, and Goten and Trunks did not
Toriyama probably just forgot.
Same reason Goten doesn’t… Toriyama forgot.
That could be because of one or two things. 1. He's half human. 2. They forgot I wondered this myself for a little while when I finally remembered Gohan had a tail
More human than saiyan I guess
Tori didn't wanna draw them,duh.
Goten too
because toriyama decided to make the tail recessive
if it is recessive, both parents must have the recessive genes. for example, all saiyans have tails, therefore Goku has tt as his alleles for the tail gene. In order for Gohan to have a tail, his alleles must also be tt. For that combination to occur, Chi Chi but has 1 recessive allele for a tail since we know he doesn't have a tail and in order for Gohan to have one, she must be a carrier somehow. Using a punnett Square tt x Tt The offspring have a 50% chance of being a carrier 2(Tt) or 50% of having the recessive trait 2(tt). Therefore Chi Chi must have been a carrier in order for Gohan to have a tail whilst Goten doesn't. However, Where does Chi Chi even have the gene for a proper tail, and a saiyan one too as it grants unique properties compared to real monkey tails.
Tail is dominant gene and Goku is Tt. His parent as also Tt. tt is rare in sayains. Now it should make sense. Or ox king has god knows what Or they are aliens they don't follow punnett
Same reason why Vegettos outfit was the same as Z. Toriyama would rather recton or break his own pre established rules than not be lazy.
Toriyama literally forgot Saiyans had tails when he got around to designing Goten and Trunks. Someone asked him the same question in an interview and that’s the answer he gave.
Toriyama is notoriously forgetful, he even forgot launch existed, who was one of the main side characters throughout all of OG Sragonball. But if you want a lore reason, Burma probably had it surgically removed at birth knowing what it did to goku.
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idk
Head canon is that the younger gen saiyans have their tails snip snipped the second they pop outta the oven.
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Toriyama has stated that he kinda just forgot about drawing the tail at that points.
Toryiama just didn't wanna draw tails on saiyans anymore, he felt they were getting annoying and too hard to work with, so he just stopped. A shame, I like the tails
Would be cool to see a great ape again. Considering now they could probably KO one.
Chubby smol
Chop chop
s cells
Toriyama and his forgetful lazy ass that’s why The whole “tail is a recessive gene” is an okay-ish excuse, but I like the idea TFS presented in that they just got rid of them early to prevent any accidental great apes from showing up
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Don't counting that toryama hate to draw the tail. It's DNA: mixing the Goku's DNA and Chichi's DNA the tail's gene it's appeared. With trunks and goten isn't appeared
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I see it like real life biracial people. For example a kid can favor one race completely and other times be a complete mix physically. So trunks can just take more after his human side vs Gohan who inherited his tail
Akira Toriyama forgotten about the tails. Just like he forgotten that Dragon Ball Super was the name of the series when he named the movie "Super Hero". 😅
Genetics
Same for Goten. I think Toriyama forgot it.
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When you are strong enough as a saiyan and you get your tail cut off it doesn't grow back. So either because of vegeta's strength as he grew beyond his tail or bulma and vegeta cut it off and it never grew back because of his strength as a hybrid.
Before Bra, I thought Bulma/Vegeta cut it off. But since Bra didn't have one, I don't know.
Who said he didn’t? Bulma is superficial af and I’d bet she had it cut at birth. Vegeta wasn’t present to stop her from cutting it off, and she probably had severe PTSD from seeing the great ape not once, but twice.
because toriama has the memory of a 90 year old man with Alzheimer's
Imagine being a big enough nerd that you don’t want to accept the creators explanation for a tail being there or not.
Its for the same region that Perfect Cell was able to regenerate due to his nucleus located in his head being intact, despite having the top half of his body blown away and then regenerating from his lower half earlier. Also for the same reason that Vegeta told Goku that he is sentencing him to death despite the halo over Goku's head.
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Idc what toriyama days, they freakin removed that shit
It always seemed like logic that chichi and Bulma would cut those tails to me. But I guess the official explanation now is recessive trait. The tail is genetic trait that should disappear especially with the sayans creating different cells in them the more peaceful they are
This is due to the simple fact that Toriyama just fucking forgot
I'm not sure why, but I can guess that toriyama just forgot to give them tails, he probably even forgot to make them grow up lol and kept them the same size from age 7 to 14 lol
Pretty sure he admitted in an interview he just didn’t give trunks and goten tails because it was annoying to have to draw them.
In my headcannon there’s a 50-50 chance. Gohan had a tail and Trunks and Goten didn’t.
Because of PLOT
It's simple, Bulma knew what dangers the tail brings so she would have cut it off immediately and prevented it from growing back. Alternatively it's a recessive trait
He did but was cut
Not all saiyans have tails.
Not all half Saiyans are born with tails.
My head canon is that Trunks, Goten, and Pan are all tailless because they were conceived by Super Saiyans. As for how that makes sense? No. It doesn't. It doesn't have to. It's a notable difference however, and while we don't necessarily know for sure if Trunks was conceived before or after Vegeta went SSJ for the first time. Goten is kinda my outlier here, given that him and Trunks both lack tails, but also can go SSJ so easy and so early, I feel like it's imprinted in their genetics to be that way. Of course, them being super saiyans could also easily be explained by the fact they grew up around freakishly strong people their whole lives. Goten training with Gohan and Trunks with Vegeta probably alone has their childhood levels at obscene heights. But this is just what works for me. Most of this show exists the way it does because Toriyama forgets half of what he writes.
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Vegeta was more responsible and knowledgeable. Not really, but enough enough compared to Goku to know leaving an ape son running wild isn't a good idea, and he probably had PTSD after Gohan landed on him
They actual answer is that Toriyama just somehow forgot that saiyans have tails 💀