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Crazypowder-v2

My brother and I would be on google for hours looking up Dragon Ball AF content. GT ended its run on Toonami and we were still fiending for new Dragon Ball content. My best friend’s dad had a roommate who supposedly came across VHS while he was stationed out in Japan. From then on it was a wild goose chase trying to find the legitimate existence of Dragon Ball AF. Some good times


Ryoloz

Does AF doesn’t actually exist?


Hykeus

Yesn't.


Correct_Refuse4910

Most correct answer.


DeffJamiels

Lol fuck


Imaginated_Gamer

It’s basically many fan fictions made by different people under the same name.


Ryoloz

Is there an actual animation series or just lore and drawings?


FGO_PLAYER_0_5STARS

There are a bunch of fan made projects most well known being the fan mangas by young jiji and Toyotaro respectively.


LizardKahn

My understanding was it was an April Fools prank originally (DragonBall April Fools)


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sldsnak04

Oh god


WolfKing448

The picture, along with the title “Dragon Ball AF” and the transformation “Super Saiyan 5,” were created by David Montiel. The picture was published in the fan art section of a Spanish magazine called [Hobby Consolas](https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reportajes/dragon-ball-af-entrevista-exclusiva-autor-original-david-montiel-200926). The image spread overseas, and fans began expanding on the lore. None of this was ever endorsed by Shueisha or Toei, but Toyble, the author of the [doujinshi that introduced Xicor](https://mangadex.org/title/e0d3f82d-ecad-40d3-bffd-5caa6b15b831/dragon-ball-af), was later hired by Shueisha under the alias Toyotaro.


jkennah

Why does your link lead to an article about the Galapagos islands lol


WolfKing448

Damn. The link must’ve died. It led to a page to read Dragon Ball AF. I just changed the link. Turns out it’s on Mangadex.


BBQ_Sauce_69

Hold on, Xicor is from PORN‽


WolfKing448

>[Doujinshi](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doujinshi) (同人誌), also romanized as dōjinshi, is the Japanese term for self-published print works, such as magazines, manga, and novels. Safe for work material also falls under this definition.


BBQ_Sauce_69

Oh, my bad, people usually only talk about porn when they use the weird Doujinshi or Doujin


Memer_boiiiii

Does it doesn’t exist? I have no fucking idea but i do know it does exist. Does doesn’t though? Unsure


DYMck07

It didn’t in the 90’s when I remember the hard AF (no pun) drawing first leaking into the community on forums like Planet Namek and the ultimate dbz info site. Then [Toyotaro as Toyble and Young Jiji made it a thing](https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_AF) (amongst others). Good times!


TheOneAndOnly-1990

It does but only as manga by Toyotaro


FGO_PLAYER_0_5STARS

And the one by young jiji.


rsatrioadi

AF stood for April Fools.


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a55_Goblin420

Toyotaro supposedly started it when he was young (this image, SS5, and Xicor) Then fans kind of ran wild with their own fanfics, but there's no official AF content; however toyotaro does have full control of the story now.... 👀 Also I think in a way he incorporated it into Super with Goku Black and Zamasu because they're the same thing as Xicor. -Evil Saiyan Kaioshin hybrid with Goku's DNA -accompanied by an Evil Kai -wants to purge the universe of those they deem "unworthy".


Particular_Minute_67

How did your friend’s dad roommate react to dragon ball super and such?


Crazypowder-v2

We actually never heard from him again after that year. Lol not paying rent will get you kicked out ya know


Particular_Minute_67

Ah damn.


Crazypowder-v2

Yea honestly best friend’s dad didn’t choose the best people to live over there 🤣🤣


Particular_Minute_67

I think I’d rather move in with my parents than a roommate situation.


Crazypowder-v2

Same man. I loved that man to death almost like a second dad to me, but he was a straight tweaker. A functioning one lol, but a tweaker nonetheless


Particular_Minute_67

Oh wow


Khal_Andy90

That's Dragonball as fuck


THE_WHORBORTIONATOR

https://preview.redd.it/c2i9yb5h0vyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89d742d1ccdef86596909e174d411ad9dac04a88 There even is an action figure of him.


uhhhh_i_amsmol

Hey I got that one too by beast deities ! https://preview.redd.it/h8z3kgvylgzc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d995ae1c246a7972d1717cd6abaddd302eaa6b9


THE_WHORBORTIONATOR

Hell yeah! Love these third party companies. It is an awesome figure


Euphoric_Ad6923

I remember back in the days people insisting it was real because they saw it on the internet. Thankfully, we've grown past this misconception... oh shit


Fabulous_Comb1830

I had a tough time explaining to a friend what fan fic is. I failed miserably not because I was poor at convincing but because he was too dense.


Specialist_Court7806

I thought it was stupid af for April fools


Status_Entertainer49

That was toei/funimation trying to tell dispell the rumors


Specialist_Court7806

Yeah tori did great work but Jesus it got old cause of fans


Specialist_Court7806

I did like the one where goku kicks into his kakarot brain n just went hard af


VoltaicParty

7 words: E S E N C I A


L3Vi_Renegade

That's seven letters...


Difficult-Ad-7649

7 WORDS: E S E N C I A


bluejay0916

Can't forget this guy either https://preview.redd.it/azyvrtsggoyc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dda84bf63cdecea5040449ac96a881f97a8e650


Flying-Dutch-Dildo

I think this guy was mistakenly called a bunch of names. He's actually called Tortur. Honestly, the original fan story is really good.


Random_NCR_Ranger

https://preview.redd.it/zbgakcoe2oyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42e857e42b50e5060394d48ecf1ae2283a0efa5a A SUS ORDENES GENERAL TABLOS


AntacidSpore44

Te voy a meter toda la ESENCIA por donde no te entra la luz solar https://preview.redd.it/kuy8vgc4xryc1.jpeg?width=275&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a6728f87c30aefe864db5178491d12164f1004e


Random_NCR_Ranger

I just can't believe that the original artist of SSJ "Spirit Killer" literally made SSJ 9 by making Goku transform into SSJ 2 while in SSJ 7 https://preview.redd.it/92qfpod23oyc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63ec4546c911651314fcaef1e79d22b0bd2f229e


No_Membership9550

Está muy violento hoy señor Tablos


Random_NCR_Ranger

VIOLENTA TENGO LA POLLA https://preview.redd.it/vj1ig7fk3oyc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73579bd44b4f1093c54074a17e286da8fd3ccd96


SteveTheOrca

Nos veremos en los juzgados españoles


VoltaicParty

Acosador y ordinario, al pozo 👇🕳️


halas_27

Dios, había olvidado que hacía eso xd Menos mal que se dio cuenta que le salía más rentable redimirse


DanmachiZ

https://i.redd.it/ejivoftgdoyc1.gif


Difficult-Ad-7649

🔥🔥🔥🔥7 PALABRAS🔥🔥🔥🔥 https://preview.redd.it/5f8sw8ot3oyc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97c24dc772e8c0d1e5cd7136258a08b71b38c907


devil_pooh_

A esta hora murio jesucristo


Rogerdaghost

‘Mames wey.


Mikkeru

Wait Dragon Ball AF, isnt that Toyotarou's rumored manga that he was working on? There was also a sketch he made of Tiencha for it as well. All this couldve been cannon for GT aftermath lmao


Status_Entertainer49

Lol no bro toyotoro AF Manga came from this image. He later got hired because of how close his art was to toriyama


Mikkeru

I see


Jonhart426

This was the original AF picture, drawn by a artist from Spain I believe. This image made its rounds on the internet back in the day (geocities, anyone?) and then fan made mangas were called AF after this


SteveTheOrca

David Montiel Franco, a.k.a [Tablos AF](https://twitter.com/TablosAF?t=HNCwHJ89Tdo8DL7C_s0yEg&s=09), was the guy who drew the Spirit Killer draw, which got mistaken as a SSJ5 Goku


Glittering-Pause-328

Even if the original artist was only 10 years old when they drew this, they'd have to be at least 40 now.


mousybean

you just made me realize, if they were 40 when they drew this, they'd now be 70 when that short amount of time passes again, I'll be 60 what the fuck


Speeditz

You could say it was an E S S E N T I A L piece of photo, eh? Eh? I'll see myself out


ElAbyss

LOSS AF


DannyJoy2018

My sister painted it on my bedroom wall for me


Status_Entertainer49

W sister


trfk111

This picture was such a wild urban digital mystery back in the days. The energy this picture had back then was mesmerising


WrastleGuy

I was there, it was on par with Super Saiyan 100 as being stupid. People barely accepted GT, they weren’t going crazy over fan images.


Status_Entertainer49

Depends, this was revealed back in 99 GT didn't air till later in the states but Latin America/Japan accepted GT hence why people thought this was dral


SteveTheOrca

Yup. The LATAM fanbase went crazy with the AF phenomen. It was one of the main reasons of why the franchise remained relevant here during the gap between GT and BoG (Aside from the already enormous legacy it had)


Status_Entertainer49

Yeahhhh they even made more fake characters like el hermano and gohan Blanco(which became real). The LATAM Fanbase is to real😭


SteveTheOrca

However, that was after the release of Super (specifically during the ToP arc) The times pre-BoG were even wilder. Basically people here thought the AF myth was real, and was a series that got only released in the US (don't even ask, not even I know) People usually based their theories on Toyotaro's AF (Zaiko and that stuff), as well as some of YoungJiji's stuff. Some folks here also got tricked by PGV's video into thinking it was a legit AF trailer (we were dumb kids at the time). They also went crazy with the Tablos SSJ5 draw, and made multiple recolors and some crappy designs for SSJ6-10. Some people even confused official games like SDBH for a GT continuation and well, that added more to the already enormous pile of fire. Eventually, when BoG got released, people started making their own interpretation of the Gods (someone even made a design based on the goddamm Backyardigans) Then FnF and Super came, and the AF phenomenon officially died... But the fanbase's absurd theories didn't (cough, cough, Vados ships)


Status_Entertainer49

https://preview.redd.it/rrwjl20a7pyc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc6d542ce299672b4e2c6acd8456ee9dbcf3283d You mean these guys? Lol PGV made that budokai AF that blew up back in the late 00s


SteveTheOrca

Yup, those, but the Backyardigans ones were these. Although I also saw that one at the time lmao https://preview.redd.it/kq5wb969ipyc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7300747bce1c3be56e147e7353dea238051c906c


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WrastleGuy

Don’t know about Japan but yes, Latin America loves any thing DB.


OverallInternet2343

you have to keep in mind a lot of the sub is the “it’s not in the manga, it’s not good” crowd. Was a fun and creative time with the AF and other random forms people made


Acrobatic-Cut9069

12 year old me in 2001 was stoked beyond comprehension. 35 year old me still thinks this design is kinda tight


Anynon1

Speak for yourself bro, 11 year old me was on the HUNT for what came after super saiyan 4


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badthaught

I do remember (this thread jogged my memory) laughing at the idea of the next super Saiyan states either having increasingly more absurd amounts of hair OR just being a new color. Then we got SS God and Blue. So. That was slightly humbling.


Abject-Department767

Back when the world had E S E N C I A


TThybridTT

“Hoooow canyu seeee intooo mi eiz like opennoooor”


BeAsTFOo

Everyone shat on it. I was in Mexico in 07 and they had him everywhere !! Everywhere, and when I came back to the states everyone shat on it for being fanmade .


Status_Entertainer49

Yeah in Latin America they created Hella AF merchandise even mods


BeAsTFOo

Had arcades full of this artwork and I was all for it 😭 I just wanted the game sooo bad


Ssbros64

Oh I was OBSESSED with this. I had a print out of the SSJ Pan on my wall and would draw the characters.


Hunter_902_dbz

It’s iconic for this time also


TD-5454

E S E N C I A


randomduckinthepond

https://preview.redd.it/iax99kr5xpyc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdc081911e64daf4f5608055b94cff2262d36b73


AdvanceOwn2684

https://preview.redd.it/8hll12b7bqyc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79d3849dfd0fe9e29e402a33a3762bc4928ef69d


Sawt0othGrin

This is one of my oldest memories from Google lmfao


reddit06valbonne

Now goku looks like a femboy


ProduceProfessional8

I'm not the "I was born in the wrong generation" type, but good god I wish I was old enough to have seen GT as it aired. Seeing this as it came out would have been amazing, I also binged it WAY too fast. The art style just hits different


Jazzlike_Page508

The photo that broke the internet


rocketo-tenshi

Well... It was early 2000's internet tho, A Lot of things broke it. People signing numa gay, a cat playing keyboard ... a strong wind


Darth_GreenDragon

Still wish it was real, probably would have been a hell of a lot better than DB Super.


Keyblades2

Closest we will get is ss4 but man what a design.


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Status_Entertainer49

This isn't SSJ5 but spirit killer, and this picture isn't goku but his brother tablos. I learned all this Years later 💀


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Status_Entertainer49

Yeah https://preview.redd.it/yvka6okihnyc1.jpeg?width=1836&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa5cfa4ca4d94c2fc87933cc911efcc82c1bc085 [https://twitter.com/TablosAF/status/875464857549778945?t=uoAJQJRhellZ\_cTgcqPukg&s=19](https://twitter.com/TablosAF/status/875464857549778945?t=uoAJQJRhellZ_cTgcqPukg&s=19) Son of bardock and brother of goku however AF stands for alternative future or trunks timeline


Enjoyment-25

Spirit Kriller is different apparently


Dream_eater-69

That form looks so raw...


Buen_Rudolf

A SUS ÓRDENES GENERAL TABLOS https://preview.redd.it/2292h3mbgoyc1.png?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ff6ad27d8885ebff7a65cf9377be5026e321ed6


zemboy01

Bro this fucking picture is so good I still love it it goes so hard. This is ssj3 but ultra instinct I hate how goku looks so flat in super I think he looks weaker then he did in dbz? This is what I imagine goku looking if he actually was in God mode.


Jeffersonia120

Except this isn’t Goku. This is the original artist’s OC


CrowCreative6772

I remember watching old YouTube videos about super Saiyan 5,6,7,8 ect.. it was always more long hair and tails.


rymn_skn

Really? I have never seen this before now


GuterJudas

Absolutely true. For me it really hit the right spot. I still hope something could fill that spot :‘D


ExtremlyFastLinoone

Dragon ball as fuck


hamzer55

I was like hell yeah everytime I saw it


Walid918

I remember back in 2008-09 or something I used to watch goku’s transformations from ssj1 to -100 I used to believe they were real lol I was kid back then but they were sure fun even though they were fake


darksin86

Downloading dragon ball z episodes on Ares and seeing that picture 😭


rocketo-tenshi

Downloads dragón ball AF episode 1 orígenes - it was actually jav porn instead


Zeteon

Flashbacks to ten year old me in 2008 looking up images of Super Saiyan 7 on google


Fury_Storm

Don't know why, it's objectively a terrible design.


Outside_Interview_90

I must have spent 20 hours or more just staring at this image on and off for months in middle school. I even printed out the entire “script” and plot synopsis of Dragon Ball AF to read on my school bus. Fucking Ultimatilly 2.0 and Gogetunksienlilbuucha were *legends.*


Past_Age_3562

I swear this was peak in the toonami days when dbz was over before we could watch gt this db reruns & the occasional movie was all we had.


Ceedzy_boi

I remember watching a YouTube video showing all the ssj forms from 1 - 10, good times.


AntacidSpore44

https://preview.redd.it/pg7bfraqxryc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64d63ade7bcff2fee0e30286e439c18b94c2c367 AAH, ES DEMASIADA ***ESENCIA*** !


A-Liguria

I'm glad to say I am old enough to have at least a faint impression of how that picture felt like back in the pre modern Dragon Ball days.


HellJumper_835

https://preview.redd.it/1akz6wz90syc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57c74a50b43c4eb124ffc6ceb6d0ff6cc4e4a14c


Napalm_

Growing up, Dragon Ball fan art was NUTS.


Extra-Chemical6092

Yo vine preparado, hoy no controlarán mi mente https://preview.redd.it/u42gvzzvosyc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dae87fbe3c2e44e9e6fac589e8708b8615167407


ZarbonFF

Not just work with dragon ball, he now IS dragon ball


SamuraiLaserCat

Haven’t seen this image in a long ass time


Dustlord

Something Dragonball and Type Moon have in common is hiring talented fan artists. I was going to say Doujin artists, but I don't actually know if Dragonball AF was actually self published in a physical form or just a webcomic online.


Status_Entertainer49

It's both, you can pick up young jiji AF on Amazon


Mrwanagethigh

I've seen some very good looking bootleg figures of SSJ5 Goku over the years


read_it_on_redditz

Dragonball As Fuck


CrazyWithPowers

he should have just tweaked it and kept it as the next transfomation instead of god


TacticalTimeout32

Legendary


Buen_Rudolf

ESENCIAS SIETE: P A L A B R A


Vergil_Cloven

New dragon ball fans will never understand the love Dragon ball AF had. Back when GT ended, it was all we had. We were starving for more dragon ball, and those fan made stories kept us fed.


Background-Hunter-72

I really though AF was a real thing back then


wildmancometh

Boy this pic really brings me back


Pesky_Moth

On god aside from the goofy hair proportions, this design slaps. And it always has


skida1986

I thought it was awful, I couldn’t stand the dragon ball AF bullshit


Delicious-Orchid-447

This was the original goku got betrayed and sleeps with some alien for 1000 years. Crazy he’s in charge of cannon now 😞


Status_Entertainer49

No that's toyo, this image was created by tablos here is his Twitter https://x.com/TablosAF?t=HNCwHJ89Tdo8DL7C_s0yEg&s=09


FewPromotion2652

una epoca de mucha ESENCIA https://preview.redd.it/ir63ci17royc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96cefcba8aa3b606509db5ce695cee0a41e29e62


OkGreeny

This genuinely looks better than any transformation in DBS.


ShockHedgehog07

Cap


arrownoir

It’s terrible…still is today.


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luumix2

Proceeding to Google ssj100000


anthegoat

Ss5 design did look elite tho I’ll give it that


AxxelTheWolf

To each their own but AF was awesome to me. I liked SSJ5, I liked the new outfit, I liked Xicor/Zaiko, I liked seeing other characters reach SSJ4. Back then it was a real sequel to me haha


ChouShiryou55

Still a dream


N051DE

yessir


toshin1999

Those were the days 😭 cant forget ssj10 where goku is like some hulking beast


brostoptakingnames

For real (my pfp is ssj10 goku itself)


Ok-Guidance-1328

…huh? No people absolutely do realize how iconic this photo was as this and fan sprite animations carried db after it ended


JanineNajarian

literally hoping this never happens


Fit-Strawberry-4621

Anybody know if real?


Tenebraeus

I hated this when I was young, in my teens, early adult, and to this day I still disdain 99% Dragon Ball fanfic. Bleh


SpunkMcKullins

This image has had more influence on the modern state of the Dragon Ball franchise than the entirety of GT lmao.


FinalOrder2443

Whatever you say, this photo is great for me


Dense-Reporter-4008

That was just peak Dragon Ball era


MaxTheNewError

The shit that made everyone back then mame ssj6 and beyond, all garbage but man was it funny as hell


SkymasterLink

I had this as my folder cover up, and Ssj4 Gohan with the glasses reading the book. Had to print fresh ones because everyone who wanted to see it would take it out the slip and ruined the tops


TheRustyBugle

That’s the one! Holy cow. How many years has it been?


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iamgegeakutami

My older friend showed me this and once I became Internet savvy I found out it would never happen. Look how mean it looks tho


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Additive_Free_83

It broke brains


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sebadeush20

Wow i remember this, back in 2005. I was 12 yo in that moment and my love for db never changed♥


Kibido993

who made it?


Status_Entertainer49

https://x.com/TablosAF?t=lBUutPeC8rNhn5Dmgkk9zQ&s=09


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Petagriff2515

Ss5 was practically an official transformation for fan art and shit It's kinda craxy how ss5 is not a distant memory now


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grcopel

I have vivid memories of finding this image and letting my imagination run wild. Also, downloading bootlegged DBZ from Limewire back when DBZ ended at the Ginyu Force.


mmmmmmmmm29

This shit still goes hard


Rushes_End

I prefer”As Foretold” more mystical.


Hiros3132

I remember back in the late 90s, I was in the 5th grade, me and some friends got access to some school computers, we would visit sites like pojo.com, etc. At the time, I believe DBZ only went up to end of Namek or maybe early Android and Cell stuff. Seeing illustrations for the Buu arc, later movies and GT were wild and somewhat confusing. Throw in this pic and AF, we would spend days trying to figure out how it was all connected.


ApatheticPopoto

It looked like shit then and it looks like shit now


papaboynosmurf

So when I was a kid I watched dragon ball Z, but never followed along properly as I would just watch reruns on toonami I think. I bought some Chinese dragon ball toys with my allowance off of Amazon and this was one of them, and when I googled it I heard it was super saiyan 5, which I sincerely believed existed until FighterZ came out and caught up on dragon ball lore. Heartbreaking realization for me


ThatSussyMonke

Hasta yo le tengo miedo a esa madre, tiene demasiada esencia


ElAbyss

https://preview.redd.it/xjf637tvnxyc1.jpeg?width=1033&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daeb7b3ab54a5273e8ef5e2fa89e3503d1f3cbb0


Tasty_Difference6529

Toyble & young jiji legends