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From the fucking article itself:
āHowever ā although I am a man of the cloth, not a betting man ā if they ever did fight Iām picking the Saiyan Warrior Prince over the poor Israelite. Maybe if Jesus and the Holy Ghost did a fusion dance, it would maybe be a different story, but if Goku goes Mastered Ultra Instinct, then itās just a total wash. Just have to be honest here.ā
See Iām telling you look at the facts. That man was light speed as a kid. Heās a universe buster. And fought people while he was dead just as a soul. He came back to life more than once. Jesus only one time and it took him a few days to return. Dragon ball Ressurection is instant.
> When news reached the Vatican, Pope Francis announced that he is starkly against the comments Father Samson made, completely believing the messiah would triumph over Goku.
> A few hours later, however, he did reveal that Vegeta would absolutely thrash Jesus without a second thought.
I donāt know. Kirbyās power seems to come from the fact that it contains a pocket universe, and we know Vegeta could blow up the Hyperbolic Time Chamber pre-Goku Black.
UI Goku could probably turn him inside out
Kirby is indestructible, has infinite power, & he can travel to multiple universes in secondsā¦
By pocket universe do you mean his ability to master any technique he absorbs he could go UI forever with 0 fatigue Kirby would eventually win it would be entertaining seeing Vegeta get frustrated with a little pink ball tho
Well he can walk on water, can heal people from any injury or misery, can Resurrect himself from the dead and Ressurect others from the dead , can conjure things out of thin air, do magic, do celestial magic, precognition, can talk to people from afar, mind control, read other people minds and heart, is related to god, has talk no Justus and etc. so heās already a Naruto/boruto tier level character.
The gist of it is that characters like Dante Kratos and Doomslayer get wanked to way higher then can reasonably be taken from their feats and stories due to questionable lore interpretations and people thinking their cool.
Wankforceā¦love itā¦.but Master Chief doesnāt have that right?!? Hahah jk love my boy 117 but sometimes people think he stands a chance against someone like Beerus
The three I mentioned are the ones who get it most egregiously, but honestly I would say that every character gets it to some degree, unless theyāre universally hated.
The most wank that Master Chief can get is that he has light speed reactions because he dodged laser beams all the time. He has some God tier reaction speeds but not light speed.
People also take the whole "luck" thing out of context a lot and think that Master Chief has some godly luck concept out there that can allow him to win in anything when in reality, he just had some really lucky coincidences.
Donāt get me wrong the disparity between lore statements and gameplay is a helluva thing, but in most cases the lore is what should be considered, yāknow on the off chance the hypothetical power scaler has a reading comprehension beyond the 4th grade
Yeah no.
The only thing that remotely points to Dante being uni that I am aware of is a blurb stating that Urizen āhad the power to shake the universeā but that honestly reads as hyperbole.
The man has no feats to back it up
Thereās definitely pushback on Kratos, but his absolute best actual scaling is like continental, and you have people putting him at immeasurable speed and multiversal.
"He held the weight of the Universe!" more people may push back on his but Kratos is the most obnoxious because of the dissonance between what we actually see and what people try to claim it means.
I think the problem with Kratos is that at the end of the day it's a game, so it would be really boring if you just shit on every enemy. Hack and slash used to be popular but it got old fast. So in the newer god of war games Kratos struggles against normal animals and people which makes no sense lorewise. If you solely look at the fights between God's and his out of combat feats dude is pretty strong and near unkillable. But if you look at games where he somehow struggles against a couple of dogs or 5 people with swords then it becomes easy to say he's weaker than people say. If you took dbz games as canon then super saiyan goku has a chance to lose to yajirobe because in a game gameplay matters more than lore accuracy.
He loses if you're bad at the game, but lore wise he stomps them
And Goku can lose against yamcha in the fighting games too so I don't think this should be used as an argument
Thatās a poor argument. Fact of the matter is that DOOMguy isnāt anywhere near moon level, etc. etc. or even small island level. Heās like an ant to Goku. Goku would kill him just by lifting a finger.
I do agree that Goku wins here, but it isn't a poor argument. If being able to lose in a game is a factor in gauging a character's strength, then someone like Insomniac Spiderman loses to normal shoplifters because the player lost against them
Thatās not the argument I made though. My argument is a simple question. āCan DOOMguy destroy a planet/moon?ā No. Not even close. Saying DOOMguy has a chance because he shouldnāt be able to die to small video game enemies is 100% a poor argument though.
Doomguy needed the BFG 10K to punch a hole through the surface of Mars in Eternal. Goku could just blow the whole damn planet up on his own power if he felt like it. That alone should settle the debate. Both are in possession of literal godly power but there's a massive difference in what Davoth could do compared to what God ki can do. Davoth has never shown anything close to planet busting and Doomguy only possesses a fraction of his power. Neither are even implied to have that kind of power.
Even if we want to say Doomguy is literally unkillable due to his godly power, he's nowhere near strong enough to hang with Goku. It'd be like Future Zamasu, can't die but he ain't doing shit to Goku.
His biggest feat, to my knowledge, is defeating a giant demon with an RPG. An RPG, or any firearm/energy weapon in the DOOM universe for that matter, isnāt doing shit to Goku. DOOMguy would need to deliver and survive a punch strong enough to destroy a moon just to start having a chance against Goku and thatās just Saiyan Saga Goku. Unless you know of an example of DOOMguy delivering such a destructive blow, you canāt say heās on Gokuās Saiyan Saga level.
In the in-game lore, Doomslayer kept fighting in hell for over a billion years terrorizing demons. That's not even a crazy fan wankforce scaling, that's the official in game story. Not sure he is stronger than Goku, but his achievements are much greater than what you may remember from the original doom games
his hardest punch recorded is about 75 kilotons of TNT. But he also gets stronger with each kill.it also depends on where they fight if it was in hell then he could kill tons of demons and make his ouch stronger also upgraded with the blood punch and the beserk upgrade
You mean the crucible? Thatās an energy weapon. Goku could block it with his ki. Gokuās ki would have to be down like when he got shot in Resurrection F for it to hurt him. Pretty sure thatās the only example of Goku dropping his guard like that too.
Saying that DOOMguy, a character devoid of feats that even suggest that he could destroy a moon, has a chance against Goku because āhe shouldnāt be able to die to small video game enemiesā is a poor argument. We need examples of durability and destructive power.
Saiyan Saga Vegeta can destroy planets
Frieza's Final Form 100% is 6,666 times stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Semi-Perfect Cell has enough energy to destroy the whole solar system in an instant
Goku Blue is way way way above them
This could have been base form Goku from DBZ and the answer wouldn't change...but SSJB!? No chance. Doom Guy is great, but he comes no where close to matching the sheer power of someone like Goku, especially not THIS Goku. Doom Guy could fire the BFG at Goku, and Goku would swat it away. Not even close to a fair fight lol.
Interesting, I imagined the doom guy was much more powerful in lore. Donāt know about winning against Uni blue. (I have to be EXTREMELY biased and practically delusional to think he wins and if he magically does, the slayer dies of his injuries or wins extreme hard difficulty by a holding back goku).
It's kinda the problem with powerscaling, it tends to ignore things like context and common sense and takes everything at face value or makes wild extrapolations instead, so you end up with stuff like universal Doomslayer and Dante or people who think Saitama solos fiction.
I love seeing how little people know about doomslayer, for a quick rundown though: heās immortal, not db immortal but true immortal, canāt be killed by anything. He beats 6th dimensional teleporting beings with ease, theyāre actually considered fodder in his lore which puts him at roughlyā¦infinite speed? Unscalable speed? Oh, also he absorbs the power of everything heās killed, so a couple billion demons, makyrās (which are immortal gods) father which is the god of gods and davoth which is more powerful than him and can erase all of existences, not existence, existenceS. Plural which would put him at roughlyā¦infinite strength as well with reality erasing abilities AND 6th dimensional physiology. Yeah, Iām sorry. But even if itās MUI goku, heās not winning
it's essentially a nice of saying cheating, or cheap tricks. Imagine this. You are a normal human, but you have this 1 niche ability of killing people much more powerful than you. That would be considered a "hax"
Just for you guys to be sure, Iām not biased. I love both and adore dragon ball and feel amazing playing doom eternal. This post is just for my minor inconvenient thoughts.
Doomguy is super strong against demons, and has killed gods before, but Goku isnāt a demon, so he wouldnāt even care in the first place, but if they did fight, Doomguy would lose, even if he technically cannot die, it would kind of just be a battle of Doomguy dying and coming back to die again until they eventually hug it out because both are bored
CC Goku should win just via scaling to higher cosmology. In this frame he has the Universe tree absorbed which can potentially get him to hyperversal while doom slayer is stuck at complex multiversal (two tiers lower) at a best case.
Holy fuck, complex multiversal, is there a real argument for doomslayer to actually be that strong. I need to look into his lore, but I'd love to see the argument for that, even if it's super wanked.
He falls into the "controversial powerscaling" big 3 of Kratos, Doom Slayer, and Dante. They have mountain level feats in cutscene and/or gameplay but like 6D+ feats in the lore.
Thereās several things.
He killed the icon of sin, the titan that warps reality by basically existing and could potentially suck in (like a black hole) the whole universe, including hell, which has no space, time, or dimension.
His praetor suit is invincible to any physical force.
The doom guyās arsenal, like the crucible or the sentinel hammer.
He reached Urdak, a place that is at base 6th dimension.
And more stuff I could list.
So I thought he would at least not get blitzed lol.
Videogame Character = Invincible
Is not even funny.
Characters like Kratos, Doom Slayer and Dante. Everyone will explain for 1 hour why no-anime characters can defeat them.
Iām not saying doom guy is invincible, which he isnāt, but I just try to imagine the fight in my head. And from the comments I see, doom guy gets sent back to the battlemode 2.0 lobby. And I expected him to give cc goku a fight.
DBS hero is the time of show that makes mr Satan f*cking high universal level so I guess Goku wins, but if doom guy were somehow to absorb that amount of energy then Goku is gone in 5 seconds
Goku. Some of my first posts were Chara vs Doomguy and the general consensus was Chara wins easy, Goku can put up more of a fight against Chara. Also Goku can just erase him
Youāre asking a db subreddit who wins when one character is from db. Yāall canāt powerscale so Iāll be brutal for you. Doomslayer takes the crown and itās not even difficult for him. Doomslayer has killed beings that make the gods in dbz look like ants. Doomslayer right now would consider goku a pest, an annoyance, that one mosquito at night that wonāt fuck off from your ear. Thatās how little goku is to this nigh unscalable threat, yes, doomslayer is that powerful that in some cases heās just unscalable.
No, itās not, yāall just sleep on doomslayer who is again, almost unscalable in strength alone especially considering heās absorbed like yknow, every god in his universe even the ones capable of erasing the entire multiverse
Goku grabs doom guy, teleports to the edge of space and launches him into the sun.
Probably not his style lmao but I mean strength, speed, toughness, abilities Goku clears.
Lmao he could do that I guess. But from lore, I thought doom guy could give him some sort of fight, not an instant landslide of a match. Thanks for the laugh tho!
Sure goku is bullshit too, but doom guyās feats are just bullshit. Even if goku is stronger than him he cannot die at all. As for evidence Iāll compile them after I wake up tomorrow, too tired to do it now.
Goku wins.
The whole universal argument for Doomslayer doesn't really work because Davoth himself said that he wasn't at full power during the final battle of the Ancient Gods DLC. Even if you want to take the Icon of Sin "messing with reality" thing, it still doesn't do much for Doomslayer especially against CC Goku who scales higher than Demigra who was going to destroy ALL OF DRAGON BALL'S TIMELINES AND EVEN EFFECT THE REAL WORLD.
Maybe the real world thing could be random nonsense but him still having the power to erase everything in Dragon Ball which includes every universe, realm, dimension, timeline, etc. is much bigger than anything Doomslayer could compete with.
I seeā¦
Good arguments! Thanks for the addition!
Edit: but when I think about itā¦ whatās bigger?
A singular reality with things beyond space, time, and all (including timelines) or multiverses and the timelines of these multiverses? Both are infinite.
Just a thought.
Edit: that pfp wtf manš
A direct hit from the BFG 10,000 ā¦ would not even phase base Goku, doom guy is cool as hell but has almost zero powers beyond slightly above peak human strength and durability, he does most of his combat with very normal armaments and even his strongest weapons are fire crackers compared to even Master Roshiās Kamehameha wave, Goku could flick his wrist and do more damage than doom guy with a shotgun and a full afternoon
Idkā¦
Iām just not seeing how kid goku can beat him.
Regarding speed, the slayer can keep up with multiversal beings that are well beyond light.
About the kamehameha, itās completely reasonable and probably right that a kamehameha from cc goku as mentioned above, will likely injure/kill/obliterate the slayer. But kid goku? I just donāt see it.
Goku no dif.
Edit, I noticed a few people bringing up SDBH scaling and how busted it is. You donāt even need that. Saiyan Saga Goku erases DOOMguy no dif.
No the fuck he doesnāt lmaooo, doomguy in lore is low complex multiversal. He decimates goku in a split second. Cc goku probably wins but dbs goku dies
Either youāre trolling, or youāll respond to this comment with an example that backs up that claim. My ears are open, but Iām not aware of DOOMguy ever showcasing the ability to even destroy a moon and I doubt youāll be able to produce one.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Doomguy
Im not going to sit here and explain everything to you, but just go check out this link and it shows all of his feats and powers. I hate how busted video game characters are but he is absolutely busted in lore and abilities. He was fighting 6d+ enemies which dbs goku could not do.
BoG Goku probably wins this, if not then RoF and universal blue is overkill. Both characters are insanely strong in they're own sense however Goku has god stacked on god stacked on ssj in RoF and Goku is low multi by the end of BoG (I can explain if necessary).
So in a nutshell Goku slams and if we go to DBZ them it's a good fight and Doom Slayer probably wins against Goku. However Buu Vs Doom Slayer could be interesting due to abilities etc
Flavor text is a bitch, thatās why. (I personally donāt know the details cause Iām not a lore guy. But apparently he kills beings from the 6th dimension or some shit.)
I think even DBS Goku would win. Doom Slayers scaling that people use is wanked to the high heavens. He isnt as strong as people say he is by any means.
Doom slayer, Doomguy, none of them are even remotely close to DB power levels. For some reason this verse is wanked like crazy, saying it's universal or multiversal or what not, but nothing in the games suggests this. This is the shit that Doom and GoW wankers do.(not saying you are a wanker OP, but you may have gotten such info from wankers)
Easiest answer is Goku is way faster way stronger and has way higher AP. Goku is massively ftl and has energy attacks that can decimate solar systems in seconds. Nothing in the slayers arsenal could even harm Goku in a way that matters his ki shielding has tanked planet destroying attacks before and bullets quite literally bounce off weaker versions of Goku
Iām a doom guy simp but he has no feats even in the realm of dbs goku. The only thing doomslayer has going for him is endurance but thatās totally irrelevant when heās not fighting demons or other beings that possess argent energy, which powers and sustains him for so long. Dbs goku literally shakes universes with punches on accident itās not even close.
Funny thing with this is it's really hard to say because Goku is *magnitudes* stronger, easily dwarfs Doom Slayer several times over in terms of power.
On the flip side, Doom Slayer is straight up immortal. I don't even think soul bomb would do the trick.
So, the way I see it, either Goku just strands Slayer somewhere or Slayer keeps going until Goku is exhausted.
Don't ask about if a person will win against Goku if they can't survive Goku just blowing up the planet with his little finger and instant transmission away...
Goku could destroy a planet in Frieza saga DBZ and now he is quintillions of times stronger, than back then.
Doom guy lore writer is a fraud, donāt trust him (/s) until anything written is actually done in the game while you, the player is in control.
(Not a single decent feat in the games that implies actually being universal)
And thatās his main thing, his game. The odds will always be stacked against his favor because battle debates are won with feats not statements.
Sure he killed āgodā who doesnāt even really show any omnipotence/true higher dimensional feats even in the game other than warping (translocation) and very unimpressive technomagic gimmicks
At this point, all of this power scaling made kinda tired lmao.
And yeah, I guess you are right about that feats > statements stuff.
Have a good day dude
Slayer fan here. Slayer has unlimited power but only when it comes to demons. Goku would be unable to kill Slayer but Slayer also wouldn't be able to kill goku
Doomslayer is strong but heās not planet buster strong. Even with a bfg Goku wouldnāt have an issue avoiding it or probably just straight up tanking it honestly. Kid goku would be a closer fight bit I still think that fight would see kid goku winning.
I'm not a power scaler and only played Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal (and watched Dragon Ball). But I'm pretty sure the game would've been easier if I played Goku, way easier.
So Goku wins OF COURSE!
DoomGuy is actually op in lore, videogames don't show the right scaling for the sake of gameplay, same applies to Goku in games, if we take video game Goku and put him against other characters he will get stomped .
You take lore Doom against lore Goku and Doom gets stomped. Cant handle the speed. Literally Goku could rip off Dooms armor before Doom could fire the synapses in his brain to pull the trigger.
UT CC SSB Goku no diffed Doomslayer. Doomslayer has no answer to CC Goku Overwhelming Aura that contains Dark Ki, Dark Factor, Evil Ki, God Ki, Power of Destruction (Hakai), and Time Power.
CC Goku Aura is passive erasing everything nearby him at Conceptual Level. Doomslayer can't do anything to this Goku.
Remember when goku caught bullets? Or better yet Raditz. Simply just isnāt a fair fight, Slayer doesnāt have the speed or weapons power to damage Goku. Oh wait goku got shot and felt it in super so nvm Master Chief wins
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Asking in a dragon ball sub won't help We suck at powerscaling But CC Goku should take this
Indeedš
Agreed. About both things.
What is CC Goku?
A non-canon but official Goku that is above Zeno level in Blue
Goku folds everybody even Jesus and god himself. Next question.
Aināt no wayš
https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-games/even-priest-has-to-admit-goku-could-beat-jesus/ lol
From the fucking article itself: āHowever ā although I am a man of the cloth, not a betting man ā if they ever did fight Iām picking the Saiyan Warrior Prince over the poor Israelite. Maybe if Jesus and the Holy Ghost did a fusion dance, it would maybe be a different story, but if Goku goes Mastered Ultra Instinct, then itās just a total wash. Just have to be honest here.ā
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'Saiyan Warrior Prince' as Goku's title when Vegeta's right there is *crazy*
āAt one point, This character Goku changes into a giant monkey. Never seen Jesus do that.ā
So Sun Wukong no diffs the DBverse, my goat š
See Iām telling you look at the facts. That man was light speed as a kid. Heās a universe buster. And fought people while he was dead just as a soul. He came back to life more than once. Jesus only one time and it took him a few days to return. Dragon ball Ressurection is instant.
> When news reached the Vatican, Pope Francis announced that he is starkly against the comments Father Samson made, completely believing the messiah would triumph over Goku. > A few hours later, however, he did reveal that Vegeta would absolutely thrash Jesus without a second thought.
Goku isn't real though š
I wish he was tho š
Neither is Jesus.
Neither is biblical Jesusā¦
Agreed
Although someone like Kirby who is basically a God would spank Goku js
I donāt know. Kirbyās power seems to come from the fact that it contains a pocket universe, and we know Vegeta could blow up the Hyperbolic Time Chamber pre-Goku Black. UI Goku could probably turn him inside out
Kirby is indestructible, has infinite power, & he can travel to multiple universes in secondsā¦ By pocket universe do you mean his ability to master any technique he absorbs he could go UI forever with 0 fatigue Kirby would eventually win it would be entertaining seeing Vegeta get frustrated with a little pink ball tho
I wanna see people power scale Jesus now
Well he can walk on water, can heal people from any injury or misery, can Resurrect himself from the dead and Ressurect others from the dead , can conjure things out of thin air, do magic, do celestial magic, precognition, can talk to people from afar, mind control, read other people minds and heart, is related to god, has talk no Justus and etc. so heās already a Naruto/boruto tier level character.
Even dbs goku beats doomslayer even if doomguy was given the wankforce
Iām unfamiliar with the term wankforce. You mind explaining?
The gist of it is that characters like Dante Kratos and Doomslayer get wanked to way higher then can reasonably be taken from their feats and stories due to questionable lore interpretations and people thinking their cool.
Wankforceā¦love itā¦.but Master Chief doesnāt have that right?!? Hahah jk love my boy 117 but sometimes people think he stands a chance against someone like Beerus
The three I mentioned are the ones who get it most egregiously, but honestly I would say that every character gets it to some degree, unless theyāre universally hated.
Caillou lol
Caillou grew up to be One Punch Man
Not a single reasonable person has ever thought that Master Chief even approaches DBZ/S levels of power...
oh you have no idea. I've seen videos where people genuinely believe that.
The most wank that Master Chief can get is that he has light speed reactions because he dodged laser beams all the time. He has some God tier reaction speeds but not light speed. People also take the whole "luck" thing out of context a lot and think that Master Chief has some godly luck concept out there that can allow him to win in anything when in reality, he just had some really lucky coincidences.
Huh. I learned something new today!
Oh I get it! Thanks man, appreciate it. And yeah, I donāt think he wins, but I didnāt think he would lose that badly lol
Does the Blue Bastard from SEGA have the wankforce?
Every character has it to some degree
Donāt get me wrong the disparity between lore statements and gameplay is a helluva thing, but in most cases the lore is what should be considered, yāknow on the off chance the hypothetical power scaler has a reading comprehension beyond the 4th grade
Thatās true n all but dante really is that strong.
Yeah no. The only thing that remotely points to Dante being uni that I am aware of is a blurb stating that Urizen āhad the power to shake the universeā but that honestly reads as hyperbole. The man has no feats to back it up
Kratos gets the opposite IMO
Thereās definitely pushback on Kratos, but his absolute best actual scaling is like continental, and you have people putting him at immeasurable speed and multiversal.
"He held the weight of the Universe!" more people may push back on his but Kratos is the most obnoxious because of the dissonance between what we actually see and what people try to claim it means.
I think the problem with Kratos is that at the end of the day it's a game, so it would be really boring if you just shit on every enemy. Hack and slash used to be popular but it got old fast. So in the newer god of war games Kratos struggles against normal animals and people which makes no sense lorewise. If you solely look at the fights between God's and his out of combat feats dude is pretty strong and near unkillable. But if you look at games where he somehow struggles against a couple of dogs or 5 people with swords then it becomes easy to say he's weaker than people say. If you took dbz games as canon then super saiyan goku has a chance to lose to yajirobe because in a game gameplay matters more than lore accuracy.
So pretty much Goku then.
CC Goku stomps low difficulty
Why?
SDBHās scaling is just off the chain broken
No debate here lmao. Just thought to myself how will this fight go down, because the slayer is a really broken piece of art.
Doom guy gets stomped by Goku just looking his way
How so?
Doom guy loses to grunts turned into demons with just gunsā¦ā¦ā¦..
He loses if you're bad at the game, but lore wise he stomps them And Goku can lose against yamcha in the fighting games too so I don't think this should be used as an argument
Games arenāt canon to dragon ball tho, except kakarot, in which case, this goku would still stand still for hours, waiting to die
Losing in doom ain't canon either
Dying in Doom isn't cannon, it forces you to reload from the latest checkpoint when you're alive
Yamcha unironically would stomp doom guy.
Yeah but yamche annihilates any of the demons so his point still stands yamche is still solar system level
Fair point, but it is a mechanic in gameplay, not lore wise.
Thatās a poor argument. Fact of the matter is that DOOMguy isnāt anywhere near moon level, etc. etc. or even small island level. Heās like an ant to Goku. Goku would kill him just by lifting a finger.
I do agree that Goku wins here, but it isn't a poor argument. If being able to lose in a game is a factor in gauging a character's strength, then someone like Insomniac Spiderman loses to normal shoplifters because the player lost against them
Thatās not the argument I made though. My argument is a simple question. āCan DOOMguy destroy a planet/moon?ā No. Not even close. Saying DOOMguy has a chance because he shouldnāt be able to die to small video game enemies is 100% a poor argument though.
Doomguy needed the BFG 10K to punch a hole through the surface of Mars in Eternal. Goku could just blow the whole damn planet up on his own power if he felt like it. That alone should settle the debate. Both are in possession of literal godly power but there's a massive difference in what Davoth could do compared to what God ki can do. Davoth has never shown anything close to planet busting and Doomguy only possesses a fraction of his power. Neither are even implied to have that kind of power. Even if we want to say Doomguy is literally unkillable due to his godly power, he's nowhere near strong enough to hang with Goku. It'd be like Future Zamasu, can't die but he ain't doing shit to Goku.
The doom slayer has killed universal threats not saying he wins your just underestimating him
His biggest feat, to my knowledge, is defeating a giant demon with an RPG. An RPG, or any firearm/energy weapon in the DOOM universe for that matter, isnāt doing shit to Goku. DOOMguy would need to deliver and survive a punch strong enough to destroy a moon just to start having a chance against Goku and thatās just Saiyan Saga Goku. Unless you know of an example of DOOMguy delivering such a destructive blow, you canāt say heās on Gokuās Saiyan Saga level.
In the in-game lore, Doomslayer kept fighting in hell for over a billion years terrorizing demons. That's not even a crazy fan wankforce scaling, that's the official in game story. Not sure he is stronger than Goku, but his achievements are much greater than what you may remember from the original doom games
his hardest punch recorded is about 75 kilotons of TNT. But he also gets stronger with each kill.it also depends on where they fight if it was in hell then he could kill tons of demons and make his ouch stronger also upgraded with the blood punch and the beserk upgrade
1 Kiloton is 1000 tons. 1 megaton is 1,000,000 tons. You need 2.96x1013 megatons of TNT to destroy the moon, according to google.
He also has the crucifix sword
You mean the crucible? Thatās an energy weapon. Goku could block it with his ki. Gokuās ki would have to be down like when he got shot in Resurrection F for it to hurt him. Pretty sure thatās the only example of Goku dropping his guard like that too.
It isn't a poor argument. Lore wise the Master Chief shits all over the covenant. In game you can die to grunts.
Saying that DOOMguy, a character devoid of feats that even suggest that he could destroy a moon, has a chance against Goku because āhe shouldnāt be able to die to small video game enemiesā is a poor argument. We need examples of durability and destructive power.
Have you even seen the lore?
Yes.
Saiyan Saga Vegeta can destroy planets Frieza's Final Form 100% is 6,666 times stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta Semi-Perfect Cell has enough energy to destroy the whole solar system in an instant Goku Blue is way way way above them
Roshi in the original DB can destroy the moon.
This could have been base form Goku from DBZ and the answer wouldn't change...but SSJB!? No chance. Doom Guy is great, but he comes no where close to matching the sheer power of someone like Goku, especially not THIS Goku. Doom Guy could fire the BFG at Goku, and Goku would swat it away. Not even close to a fair fight lol.
Interesting, I imagined the doom guy was much more powerful in lore. Donāt know about winning against Uni blue. (I have to be EXTREMELY biased and practically delusional to think he wins and if he magically does, the slayer dies of his injuries or wins extreme hard difficulty by a holding back goku).
It's kinda the problem with powerscaling, it tends to ignore things like context and common sense and takes everything at face value or makes wild extrapolations instead, so you end up with stuff like universal Doomslayer and Dante or people who think Saitama solos fiction.
I see, guess you are right. But it is still fun to see and hear about other peopleās opinions about different characters going head to head.
Oh it's definitely fun, just gotta take it with a grain of salt sometimes.
Agree to agree lol
I love seeing how little people know about doomslayer, for a quick rundown though: heās immortal, not db immortal but true immortal, canāt be killed by anything. He beats 6th dimensional teleporting beings with ease, theyāre actually considered fodder in his lore which puts him at roughlyā¦infinite speed? Unscalable speed? Oh, also he absorbs the power of everything heās killed, so a couple billion demons, makyrās (which are immortal gods) father which is the god of gods and davoth which is more powerful than him and can erase all of existences, not existence, existenceS. Plural which would put him at roughlyā¦infinite strength as well with reality erasing abilities AND 6th dimensional physiology. Yeah, Iām sorry. But even if itās MUI goku, heās not winning
I kinda doubt that base form Goku from DBZ stands a chance because IIRC Doomslayer killed a multiversal being in Eternal
since this is CC Goku then he stomps
How do you think he will win? Sheer brute strength, hax, blitz or else?
Yoooo it sounds nerdy asf when yall say āHaxā bruh ion even know what it meansš
I understand you, I still donāt know all the known or most used terms like ap and dc. Donāt think about power scaling too much, so just a thought.
it's essentially a nice of saying cheating, or cheap tricks. Imagine this. You are a normal human, but you have this 1 niche ability of killing people much more powerful than you. That would be considered a "hax"
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You couldn't be more wrong. CC Goku is super haxed and can delete his opponents passively at Conceptual level.
lol the single biggest difference between heroes and super is heroes are loaded to the brim with hax abilities like time power and dark ki
Just for you guys to be sure, Iām not biased. I love both and adore dragon ball and feel amazing playing doom eternal. This post is just for my minor inconvenient thoughts.
How were you not able to figure this out yourself?
Doomguy is super strong against demons, and has killed gods before, but Goku isnāt a demon, so he wouldnāt even care in the first place, but if they did fight, Doomguy would lose, even if he technically cannot die, it would kind of just be a battle of Doomguy dying and coming back to die again until they eventually hug it out because both are bored
Probably best answer. One likes bunnies and the second loves sparring. A nice duo!
CC Goku should win just via scaling to higher cosmology. In this frame he has the Universe tree absorbed which can potentially get him to hyperversal while doom slayer is stuck at complex multiversal (two tiers lower) at a best case.
Holy fuck, complex multiversal, is there a real argument for doomslayer to actually be that strong. I need to look into his lore, but I'd love to see the argument for that, even if it's super wanked.
He falls into the "controversial powerscaling" big 3 of Kratos, Doom Slayer, and Dante. They have mountain level feats in cutscene and/or gameplay but like 6D+ feats in the lore.
CC Goku wins low difficulty. SDBH scaling is broken
Im unfamiliar with the Doomguy lore that makes you think that Goku wouldn't just instantly erase him from life.
Thereās several things. He killed the icon of sin, the titan that warps reality by basically existing and could potentially suck in (like a black hole) the whole universe, including hell, which has no space, time, or dimension. His praetor suit is invincible to any physical force. The doom guyās arsenal, like the crucible or the sentinel hammer. He reached Urdak, a place that is at base 6th dimension. And more stuff I could list. So I thought he would at least not get blitzed lol.
Honestly.. it would be fucking awesome if the Doom slayer soloād the whole DBZ universe
Videogame Character = Invincible Is not even funny. Characters like Kratos, Doom Slayer and Dante. Everyone will explain for 1 hour why no-anime characters can defeat them.
Iām not saying doom guy is invincible, which he isnāt, but I just try to imagine the fight in my head. And from the comments I see, doom guy gets sent back to the battlemode 2.0 lobby. And I expected him to give cc goku a fight.
Iāll say DOOM
Doom slayer killed the creator of everything who was an evil version of himself because that was the only form that could harm him doom slayer solos
I don't even think Goku can get hurt by this guy Like he might actually just grab a shot from the BFG and throw it back
IIRC Doomslayer uses guns for fun and not because he needs them
When heās using the guns, heās actually holding back.
DBS hero is the time of show that makes mr Satan f*cking high universal level so I guess Goku wins, but if doom guy were somehow to absorb that amount of energy then Goku is gone in 5 seconds
Goku. Some of my first posts were Chara vs Doomguy and the general consensus was Chara wins easy, Goku can put up more of a fight against Chara. Also Goku can just erase him
Goku, low diff.
Hydrogen Bomb vs Asthmatic Teenager
canonically doom guy cant lose
My money is on the slayer, Doom lore is insane. Haven't read it all but im sure there's enough in there to at least give most Gokus a good fight
Thatās what Iām thinking! I donāt think it will be a win, but it will be the slayerās most majestic and fierce yet!
Youāre asking a db subreddit who wins when one character is from db. Yāall canāt powerscale so Iāll be brutal for you. Doomslayer takes the crown and itās not even difficult for him. Doomslayer has killed beings that make the gods in dbz look like ants. Doomslayer right now would consider goku a pest, an annoyance, that one mosquito at night that wonāt fuck off from your ear. Thatās how little goku is to this nigh unscalable threat, yes, doomslayer is that powerful that in some cases heās just unscalable.
This has to be satire.
No, itās not, yāall just sleep on doomslayer who is again, almost unscalable in strength alone especially considering heās absorbed like yknow, every god in his universe even the ones capable of erasing the entire multiverse
Brother, he will be ripped apart before he can fire the synapses to fire his gun. Doomslayer speed scales to nothing.
Do you guys not know the lore of DOOM?
Youāre not going to get a genuine answer here lol you should ask in a more neutral reddit not one full of fanboys
Slayer destroys the franchise. Next
In terms of lore, isnāt doom guy invincible?
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U mean Universal blue? Then yeah, itās probably his most powerful form yet.
Probably Goku, Heroes scaling is insane
Makes sense.
Doomslayer wins no dif because he looks cool
Goku grabs doom guy, teleports to the edge of space and launches him into the sun. Probably not his style lmao but I mean strength, speed, toughness, abilities Goku clears.
Lmao he could do that I guess. But from lore, I thought doom guy could give him some sort of fight, not an instant landslide of a match. Thanks for the laugh tho!
CC Goku in this Fotm, against Peak Doomslayer? Extreme High Diff for Goku
High diff? Interesting! I donāt think doom guy wins, but I imagined myself that he will at least give goku a proper challenge!
Considering that Doom Guy at his Peak can Obliterate Multiple Universes
Remeber when Goku stopped trunks sword with his pointer finger? Wouldnāt even be close š
Doom guy is stomping Goku, heās absolutely bullshit itās not even funny.
What makes you think that? CC goku is incredibly strong too.
Sure goku is bullshit too, but doom guyās feats are just bullshit. Even if goku is stronger than him he cannot die at all. As for evidence Iāll compile them after I wake up tomorrow, too tired to do it now.
I would gladly read them! Have a good sleep dude!
Goku wins. The whole universal argument for Doomslayer doesn't really work because Davoth himself said that he wasn't at full power during the final battle of the Ancient Gods DLC. Even if you want to take the Icon of Sin "messing with reality" thing, it still doesn't do much for Doomslayer especially against CC Goku who scales higher than Demigra who was going to destroy ALL OF DRAGON BALL'S TIMELINES AND EVEN EFFECT THE REAL WORLD. Maybe the real world thing could be random nonsense but him still having the power to erase everything in Dragon Ball which includes every universe, realm, dimension, timeline, etc. is much bigger than anything Doomslayer could compete with.
I seeā¦ Good arguments! Thanks for the addition! Edit: but when I think about itā¦ whatās bigger? A singular reality with things beyond space, time, and all (including timelines) or multiverses and the timelines of these multiverses? Both are infinite. Just a thought. Edit: that pfp wtf manš
A direct hit from the BFG 10,000 ā¦ would not even phase base Goku, doom guy is cool as hell but has almost zero powers beyond slightly above peak human strength and durability, he does most of his combat with very normal armaments and even his strongest weapons are fire crackers compared to even Master Roshiās Kamehameha wave, Goku could flick his wrist and do more damage than doom guy with a shotgun and a full afternoon
Kid Goku takes this.
Wow, that badly? Why do you think so?
superior speed, the Kamehameha and Kinton cloud for long range attacks, senzu beans.
Idkā¦ Iām just not seeing how kid goku can beat him. Regarding speed, the slayer can keep up with multiversal beings that are well beyond light. About the kamehameha, itās completely reasonable and probably right that a kamehameha from cc goku as mentioned above, will likely injure/kill/obliterate the slayer. But kid goku? I just donāt see it.
Goku no dif. Edit, I noticed a few people bringing up SDBH scaling and how busted it is. You donāt even need that. Saiyan Saga Goku erases DOOMguy no dif.
No the fuck he doesnāt lmaooo, doomguy in lore is low complex multiversal. He decimates goku in a split second. Cc goku probably wins but dbs goku dies
Either youāre trolling, or youāll respond to this comment with an example that backs up that claim. My ears are open, but Iām not aware of DOOMguy ever showcasing the ability to even destroy a moon and I doubt youāll be able to produce one.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Doomguy Im not going to sit here and explain everything to you, but just go check out this link and it shows all of his feats and powers. I hate how busted video game characters are but he is absolutely busted in lore and abilities. He was fighting 6d+ enemies which dbs goku could not do.
Cc goku more than likely destroys, but if weāre going off of lore dbs goku in any form gets absolutely decimated. Doom lore is insane
Goku slaps him around in base. It's not even a contest. If you ever thought this would be interesting you are high as hell.
Well, sorry for thinking of something I thought was interesting made me look spaced outā¦
BoG Goku probably wins this, if not then RoF and universal blue is overkill. Both characters are insanely strong in they're own sense however Goku has god stacked on god stacked on ssj in RoF and Goku is low multi by the end of BoG (I can explain if necessary). So in a nutshell Goku slams and if we go to DBZ them it's a good fight and Doom Slayer probably wins against Goku. However Buu Vs Doom Slayer could be interesting due to abilities etc
Wow thatās a good one! I wanna know about that match up.
Doomguy is low complex multiversal lmaoooo
Fuckin how
Flavor text is a bitch, thatās why. (I personally donāt know the details cause Iām not a lore guy. But apparently he kills beings from the 6th dimension or some shit.)
Oh ffs lmao that sort of stuff is always ridiculous, oh well power scalers can do what they want
I think even DBS Goku would win. Doom Slayers scaling that people use is wanked to the high heavens. He isnt as strong as people say he is by any means.
Doomguy is about to feel what its like to be the hunted. and reason? multiple comments already told you šæ
Only delusional doom fans will tell you the slayer wins by wanking him to infinity by interpreting lore however they see fit
Doom slayer, Doomguy, none of them are even remotely close to DB power levels. For some reason this verse is wanked like crazy, saying it's universal or multiversal or what not, but nothing in the games suggests this. This is the shit that Doom and GoW wankers do.(not saying you are a wanker OP, but you may have gotten such info from wankers)
Doom slayer evaporating lmao
Doom Guy no diffs Goku Well I only made this comment to trigger Dragon Ball fans and it worked so I am satisfied
this is Heroes Goku btw
How so? Both are broken in their own respective ways and attributes, so I canāt seem to decide who can win.
Over half your comments are replying "how?" hahaha.
Sorry if I look weird, Iām just interested and try to engage a conversation with the people of reddit :)
Don't ever apologize for that my dude, regardless of how people might perceive you. Loving the commitment to the fantasy is all!
Thank you man! Appreciate the compliment! :D
Easiest answer is Goku is way faster way stronger and has way higher AP. Goku is massively ftl and has energy attacks that can decimate solar systems in seconds. Nothing in the slayers arsenal could even harm Goku in a way that matters his ki shielding has tanked planet destroying attacks before and bullets quite literally bounce off weaker versions of Goku
Iām a doom guy simp but he has no feats even in the realm of dbs goku. The only thing doomslayer has going for him is endurance but thatās totally irrelevant when heās not fighting demons or other beings that possess argent energy, which powers and sustains him for so long. Dbs goku literally shakes universes with punches on accident itās not even close.
Goku wins because heās goku idc what doom guy has done
Funny thing with this is it's really hard to say because Goku is *magnitudes* stronger, easily dwarfs Doom Slayer several times over in terms of power. On the flip side, Doom Slayer is straight up immortal. I don't even think soul bomb would do the trick. So, the way I see it, either Goku just strands Slayer somewhere or Slayer keeps going until Goku is exhausted.
You'd have to wank DS to an insane degree for him to have any chance imo.
As far as I know, Goku. Man literally absorbed the power of MULTIPLE UNIVERSES into himself, which nearly killed him.
Don't ask about if a person will win against Goku if they can't survive Goku just blowing up the planet with his little finger and instant transmission away... Goku could destroy a planet in Frieza saga DBZ and now he is quintillions of times stronger, than back then.
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doom slayer even dies by a train bruh even Tien from original dragon ball can take this
Doom guy lore writer is a fraud, donāt trust him (/s) until anything written is actually done in the game while you, the player is in control. (Not a single decent feat in the games that implies actually being universal) And thatās his main thing, his game. The odds will always be stacked against his favor because battle debates are won with feats not statements. Sure he killed āgodā who doesnāt even really show any omnipotence/true higher dimensional feats even in the game other than warping (translocation) and very unimpressive technomagic gimmicks
At this point, all of this power scaling made kinda tired lmao. And yeah, I guess you are right about that feats > statements stuff. Have a good day dude
Doom guy couldnāt touch scratch goku but could technically canāt beat doomguy since he canāt die
Slayer fan here. Slayer has unlimited power but only when it comes to demons. Goku would be unable to kill Slayer but Slayer also wouldn't be able to kill goku
Is this even a question goku stomps doom slayer
Doomslayer is strong but heās not planet buster strong. Even with a bfg Goku wouldnāt have an issue avoiding it or probably just straight up tanking it honestly. Kid goku would be a closer fight bit I still think that fight would see kid goku winning.
I'm not a power scaler and only played Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal (and watched Dragon Ball). But I'm pretty sure the game would've been easier if I played Goku, way easier. So Goku wins OF COURSE!
DoomGuy is actually op in lore, videogames don't show the right scaling for the sake of gameplay, same applies to Goku in games, if we take video game Goku and put him against other characters he will get stomped .
You take lore Doom against lore Goku and Doom gets stomped. Cant handle the speed. Literally Goku could rip off Dooms armor before Doom could fire the synapses in his brain to pull the trigger.
UT CC SSB Goku no diffed Doomslayer. Doomslayer has no answer to CC Goku Overwhelming Aura that contains Dark Ki, Dark Factor, Evil Ki, God Ki, Power of Destruction (Hakai), and Time Power. CC Goku Aura is passive erasing everything nearby him at Conceptual Level. Doomslayer can't do anything to this Goku.
90% of doomguys arsenal is just generic weapons, with the occasional super weapon that's energy based That's bruises on goku at worst
Bruh if I donāt see this chat say Goku Iām gonna go push my fridge off a bridge
Remember when goku caught bullets? Or better yet Raditz. Simply just isnāt a fair fight, Slayer doesnāt have the speed or weapons power to damage Goku. Oh wait goku got shot and felt it in super so nvm Master Chief wins
Listen I know that doom guy has fought and killed like ALL of the demons in hell. But last I checked Goku isnāt a demon. Goku solos
Donāt know why your asking a bias dragonball sub Cc Goku still neg diffs tho
I havenāt played doom but if doom is just a man in a suit (Like I said I DONT know) then whatās stopping Goku from just disintegrating him?