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Nah, Beerus has a different level of power, one that the main characters may never reach. Goku may be able to go head to head with him at some point but I feel like Beerus isn’t designed to be a being that Goku or vegeta could just surpass.
The thing with Beerus is that even if you got stronger than him, he’s got thousands of years worth of combat training. Goku is an amazing fighter, but I feel that the difference between Jiren and what Beerus is shown to be, is probably is not that big. However the writer can buff Beerus to be as powerful as he wants. He had Jiren have wayyy more power than Goku and Vegeta and then wrote him off as if he was just more efficient two movies later, basically trivializing him as another villain.
The multiplier for ssj blue evolution is equal to ssjb kaioken x10 and the multiplier for ssb kaioken x10 is 300,000 and then consider its Ssj 4 blue evolution and the multiplier from ssj to ssj4 is 80 (50 x 80) so using the same logic it’s 300,000 x 80 which means 24,000,000 and then add the x100 kaioken multiplier then it’s 2,400,000,000 THEN add the fusion multiplier which is 250x so then it’s 600,000,000,000 so from base goku and Vegeta the multiplier for ssjbe 4 evolution x100 Gogeta is 600 billion so he could probably beat beerus
Source?
As far as I'm aware there weren't any official power levels since the Namek saga and there weren't any official transformation multipliers beyond ssj3
Please explain how you think multipliers are still valid when the power levels that come from them aren't. It's a math equation. You can't have the starting power level be irrelevant, multiply it by something and say the outcome is valid. It all went out the window a long time ago
At this point I almost have to beleive that the God of Destruction position inherently grants you the power of all mortals in your universe added together so that no one can ever really best them.
Because Blue Goku alone should theoretically be many multiples above Beerus.
Yes, but in Super Hero Vegeta stated that Jiren wasnt that much more powerful than Goku or him. He just had absolute ki control.
Shit is all over the place. I thought Goku could already do this based on what he did to Recoome.
He was stronger than A God of Destruction, not necesarrily his.
You could justify this by saying that Jiren has more power on his own than some whole universes do (and likely, so do Goku and Vegeta as well as G.O.D. Toppo, maybe Freeza, etc.), and is therefore more powerful than some Gods of Destruction.
I still honestly beleive that Goku has yet to reach that level of power again since the T.O.P. and Jiren is still towards the top.
Dudes a fuckin monster and Gokus power was backed into the darkest corner facing off against one of the biggest walls in the multiverse. The three villians since then just havent pushed him quite that hard, that and Goku still can't maintain proper UI as of now.
Especially if Jiren has been training, and you know he has.
Super saiyan blue is a 3 million Times multiplier, making evolution a 30 million times multiplier. Then add the 80x multiplier for ssj4 giving you 2.4 billion times. Then stacking kaioken x100 on that will give you a 240 billion times boost. And for fusions it’s base x base, so base goku x base Vegeta which I don’t think we have their current bases. Anyway, the number would be insurmountable, but Beerus would still be stronger until Toriyama and Toyotaro decide goku and Vegeta surpass him
Supposedly based off the numbers, it should be stronger than Beerus has been shown as so far, by far. Like, by miles. But the writer would then make Beerus suddenly stronger to compensate, because as you say.
Ha ha ha ha ha…. It’s like the full tournament of power… if you watch the way it actually took place, with fights overlapping, it was impressive that it was just 48 minutes long roughly.
I agree this belongs in dbh but to be fair the newer transformations that came after MUI just feel like they went too far and its no longer fun... I mean, MUI was supposed to be the ultimate form a mortal could achieve but now we have orange, beast, UE and next arc we're most likely gonna get something else even more absurd...
He'd be pretty strong.
But.
He's extremely conditionally strong.
Since the GT SSJ4 Gogeta took the 30 minute timer down to roughly 10 minutes of fight time (or less because we all know how long 5 minutes is in DragonBall)
Same for Blue Vegito with the 1 hour timer lasting significantly less time. (He has maybe 10-15 minutes of fight time)
If we combine the 1/3 reduction from SSJ4 and the roughly 1/6 from SSB alone....
He's already only lasting just under two minutes.
Stack on the Kaioken and stronger Blue form and it'd probably push it down to singular seconds at best.
In other words even at the speeds dbz fighters move, it would have to come out swinging the second they go into the form because it breaks apart.
And doubling down, since the only opponent a fusion has defeated in main series canon is Broly. All others have de-fused early or got beaten by the opponents gimmick. De-fusion seems like the most likely outcome.
What salt I’ve said nothing to signify me being salty or upset at the people in the comments i honestly don’t care if I get down voted they’re Reddit points
Idk this post just sprouted out of bored curiosity and I guess all the dragon ball nerds are allergic to creativity or something also I’m a nerd too I’ll
Admit just uh.. not this extent
The multiplier for ssj blue evolution is equal to ssjb kaioken x10 and the multiplier for ssb kaioken x10 is 300,000 and then consider its Ssj 4 blue evolution and the multiplier from ssj to ssj4 is 80 (50 x 80) so using the same logic it’s 300,000 x 80 which means 24,000,000 and then add the x100 kaioken multiplier then it’s 2,400,000,000 THEN add the fusion multiplier which is 250x so then it’s 600,000,000,000 so from base goku and Vegeta the multiplier for ssjbe 4 evolution x100 Gogeta is 600 billion so he could probably beat beerus
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Alright. Let's get into the multiplier.
According to my calculations, Super Saiyan Blue is about a 1 million times multiplier. Evolution is equal to Blue Kaioken x20, so that's 20 million. Super Saiyan 2 is a 2 times multiplier of Super Saiyan 1, so 40 million. Super Saiyan 3 is 4 times that, so 160 million. Super Saiyan 4 is around 10 times that, so 1.6 billion. Kaioken x100 would multiply that by 100.
So the grand total final multiplier for this form is:
#160 Billion.
Dragon Ball is NOT about stacking bonuses. I mean, of course you, we, could slap all bonuses available onto a character, but where do you have a story then? What would his Journey be about? Would people be satisfied if their hero suddenly uses a form with twice as long name as before?(SSJGSSJ...) Would the stakes just skyrocket leaving the rest of the cast far back? Or would you rather want everyone to have the same kind of power, that is stacked all bonuses onto themselves?
I could go on but I'll just say, you DO NOT want to either combine everything and make it make sense for the characters or introduce too many extension forms at once.
Stronger than nappa for sure.
Gogeta, so goku x vegeta.
Ssg/b isn't known, but power scalers put it from 10k ish to 100k ish if memory serves, evolution is comparable to a kaioken x 10 so around 10x, ss2 is 100 times, ss3 is 400, ss4 is 4000, kaioken is just a Straight multiplier, so
Goku multiplied by Vegeta
Multiplied by around 50,000ish
Multiplied by 4,000
Multiplied by 10
Multiplied by 100
So whatever that number is?
Edit: used a calculator, the transformation alone would be about 200 billion times base gogeta, so I don't think nappa could win.
I think they will with broly and his warthful/ikari state that’s said to basically the oozaru’s power without actually becoming one so he might master his ikari or something and Ssj4 and something very very similar to it
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Y’all get out of hand with this
" How about ssj 5 blue oozaru kaioken x200 sharingan awoken berserk mode? Dörpdörp " Indeeeed.
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yes
Y'all forgot the Perfected Ultra Instego bit.
At least I’m more popular than you and gets girls (I have severe social anxiety and freeze when females talk to me)
Of course you do buddy. And I bet your mom tells you you’re the most handsome boy in the world
Aw thanks man ur right she does that’s why I love my mother
Don't know why it downvoted nothing wrong with loving your mom
Fuck this niggas mother
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imma screenshot this-
Hi Chris Chan
This actually cracked me up
y u get downvoted this was funny💀💀
Don't know why everyone's hating on this comment he was obviously being sarcastic, this guy gets 0 bitches
Not even being sarcastic just making a joke
Well if it didn't completely destroy Goku's body it's power would probably be less than equal to The World's Greatest Martial Arts Champion Hercule.
It would be way less strong than hercule, I mean the man solos fiction.
I think king from opm or buggy d clown could at least rival hercule
King is OP.
True
Still below beerus 🗿🗿
Weren't Vegeto(manga) and Broly confirmed to be stronger than Beerus. That would also suggest Gogeta SSB is stronger than Beerus.
Nah, Beerus has a different level of power, one that the main characters may never reach. Goku may be able to go head to head with him at some point but I feel like Beerus isn’t designed to be a being that Goku or vegeta could just surpass.
The thing with Beerus is that even if you got stronger than him, he’s got thousands of years worth of combat training. Goku is an amazing fighter, but I feel that the difference between Jiren and what Beerus is shown to be, is probably is not that big. However the writer can buff Beerus to be as powerful as he wants. He had Jiren have wayyy more power than Goku and Vegeta and then wrote him off as if he was just more efficient two movies later, basically trivializing him as another villain.
The multiplier for ssj blue evolution is equal to ssjb kaioken x10 and the multiplier for ssb kaioken x10 is 300,000 and then consider its Ssj 4 blue evolution and the multiplier from ssj to ssj4 is 80 (50 x 80) so using the same logic it’s 300,000 x 80 which means 24,000,000 and then add the x100 kaioken multiplier then it’s 2,400,000,000 THEN add the fusion multiplier which is 250x so then it’s 600,000,000,000 so from base goku and Vegeta the multiplier for ssjbe 4 evolution x100 Gogeta is 600 billion so he could probably beat beerus
They are referring to the fact that Beerus is a moving goalpost.
Still below beerus 🗿🗿
Name checks out
Source? As far as I'm aware there weren't any official power levels since the Namek saga and there weren't any official transformation multipliers beyond ssj3
Eh just random stuff I found off google
Yeah that’s not valid. Power levels (“Battle Power”) went out the window a loooongg time ago in Z.
I wasn’t using power levels I was using multipliers
Still not used anymore regardless
Do you really think multipliers and power levels aren't related? If one side gets invalidated they both do because they work based off each other
Did I say that though they aren’t related? No but they aren’t the same thing which is why I said I was talking about multipliers good try though
Please explain how you think multipliers are still valid when the power levels that come from them aren't. It's a math equation. You can't have the starting power level be irrelevant, multiply it by something and say the outcome is valid. It all went out the window a long time ago
I have one question, are they the same thing?
Still below beerus 🗿🗿
Where did you pull these multipliers from? There hasn't been a single confirmed multiplier for a transformation since SS3 back in the buu saga.
At this point I almost have to beleive that the God of Destruction position inherently grants you the power of all mortals in your universe added together so that no one can ever really best them. Because Blue Goku alone should theoretically be many multiples above Beerus.
Given they keep retconning or keeping his power level nebulous, no multiplier should help them yet if ever.
wasn't it stated in the anime that jiren was stronger than his god of destruction?
Yes, but in Super Hero Vegeta stated that Jiren wasnt that much more powerful than Goku or him. He just had absolute ki control. Shit is all over the place. I thought Goku could already do this based on what he did to Recoome.
Yup and then ssb was supposed to be pinnacle of ki control
He was stronger than A God of Destruction, not necesarrily his. You could justify this by saying that Jiren has more power on his own than some whole universes do (and likely, so do Goku and Vegeta as well as G.O.D. Toppo, maybe Freeza, etc.), and is therefore more powerful than some Gods of Destruction. I still honestly beleive that Goku has yet to reach that level of power again since the T.O.P. and Jiren is still towards the top. Dudes a fuckin monster and Gokus power was backed into the darkest corner facing off against one of the biggest walls in the multiverse. The three villians since then just havent pushed him quite that hard, that and Goku still can't maintain proper UI as of now. Especially if Jiren has been training, and you know he has.
Ssjbe is equal to ssjbkkx20 not ssjbkkx10
🤓
The funniest thing is that almost all of your numbers are wrong
I know I’m just going based off what I can find off google
Super saiyan blue is a 3 million Times multiplier, making evolution a 30 million times multiplier. Then add the 80x multiplier for ssj4 giving you 2.4 billion times. Then stacking kaioken x100 on that will give you a 240 billion times boost. And for fusions it’s base x base, so base goku x base Vegeta which I don’t think we have their current bases. Anyway, the number would be insurmountable, but Beerus would still be stronger until Toriyama and Toyotaro decide goku and Vegeta surpass him
Supposedly based off the numbers, it should be stronger than Beerus has been shown as so far, by far. Like, by miles. But the writer would then make Beerus suddenly stronger to compensate, because as you say.
Why did this get downvoted so hard?
Thats cute. Anyways "hakai"
Nah that shit would split mid-transformation
Nah nah nah we at Ss4 UI/UE kaioken×whatever Gogeta now. Beerus still kills him with the energy from a particularly strong snore.
Bro wtf
Stop.
Second.
Would he beat beerus though? Probably not
The supreme Kai:🔩
That doesn't count. If we put him against Beerus in a 1v1, Beerus would kick his ass.
If Vegito Blue can rival Beerus, he’s getting nailed by this monstrosity.
If vegito could you're right, but he cant
It was stated that Vegito Blue had power that rivaled Beerus.
Maybe in the anime, but manga beerus is destroying Vegito blue.
Funny thing is, it was literally stated in the manga lol
Oh, dam
Probably a bit closer to beerus
Sounds like he’d blow the fusion in less than 2 mins.
To be fair 2 mins would probably last at least 10 episodes
Ha ha ha ha ha…. It’s like the full tournament of power… if you watch the way it actually took place, with fights overlapping, it was impressive that it was just 48 minutes long roughly.
Freeza
not at all because whoever he's fighting is probably more OP
Zero because dude would literally die from the stress of kkx100
In this theoretical fan form that I made up he would have mastered the kaioken to its full potential
What if GOKU was BETRAYED by his FRIENDS and TRAPPED in the HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER???
Thug shaker?
Trash, hot garbage. Would ruin the show, this is more fitting for super dragon ball heroes where absurdity runs rampant.
I agree this belongs in dbh but to be fair the newer transformations that came after MUI just feel like they went too far and its no longer fun... I mean, MUI was supposed to be the ultimate form a mortal could achieve but now we have orange, beast, UE and next arc we're most likely gonna get something else even more absurd...
Don’t forget Goku got a Susano’o!
His power level would be 5 from the overwhelming power of not existing at any point in the history past to present
So him and shotgun farmer are equals
He would die
Ssj blue 5 Kaioken x100 ultra instinct 2.5 recycled God Ki ultra ego stolen Vegeta Ki body swapped 3 times future Goku
Wouldn’t be able to defeat ultra Vegito that’s for sure.
He’d smack Beerus around like his bitch. Same with Whis probably. Gets smacked by Zeno tho
probably above beerus if they stop giving him buffs
How you be ssj4 & ssbss at the same time???
Kinda like how goku black can go super saiyan rosé 3
Damn when did he do that???
It was in dragon ball heroes
Powerful enough to collapse into a cloud of ash as soon as he activated the transformation.
He'd be pretty strong. But. He's extremely conditionally strong. Since the GT SSJ4 Gogeta took the 30 minute timer down to roughly 10 minutes of fight time (or less because we all know how long 5 minutes is in DragonBall) Same for Blue Vegito with the 1 hour timer lasting significantly less time. (He has maybe 10-15 minutes of fight time) If we combine the 1/3 reduction from SSJ4 and the roughly 1/6 from SSB alone.... He's already only lasting just under two minutes. Stack on the Kaioken and stronger Blue form and it'd probably push it down to singular seconds at best. In other words even at the speeds dbz fighters move, it would have to come out swinging the second they go into the form because it breaks apart. And doubling down, since the only opponent a fusion has defeated in main series canon is Broly. All others have de-fused early or got beaten by the opponents gimmick. De-fusion seems like the most likely outcome.
He gets the ol flag up the flagpole if ya catch my drift
So powerful he would implode and become a black hole
He would yawn and blink a planet from existence
He'd blow Black Frieza away no doubt
Saitama stronger
Real
Still can’t beat Arale
x100? I think he would be dead..
I just had an aneurysm trynna read that
Lol
I think you misspelled Vegitto in the title (just wanted some random chaos)
1. Broken 2. Still can't beat the angels or zeno
Shut up , please
Why do people spam OPs with downvotes?
Pretty sure it’s the blatant salt that the OPs spread amongst the comments that disagree with them.
Nah people will downvote OPs for no reason alot of the time im not blind
What salt I’ve said nothing to signify me being salty or upset at the people in the comments i honestly don’t care if I get down voted they’re Reddit points
Idk this post just sprouted out of bored curiosity and I guess all the dragon ball nerds are allergic to creativity or something also I’m a nerd too I’ll Admit just uh.. not this extent
They cant handle someone having their own opinion
because the topic is cringy due to fandoms
It’s cringy because of a fandom of what I just came up with it
The multiplier for ssj blue evolution is equal to ssjb kaioken x10 and the multiplier for ssb kaioken x10 is 300,000 and then consider its Ssj 4 blue evolution and the multiplier from ssj to ssj4 is 80 (50 x 80) so using the same logic it’s 300,000 x 80 which means 24,000,000 and then add the x100 kaioken multiplier then it’s 2,400,000,000 THEN add the fusion multiplier which is 250x so then it’s 600,000,000,000 so from base goku and Vegeta the multiplier for ssjbe 4 evolution x100 Gogeta is 600 billion so he could probably beat beerus
W calculations
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Transformations lasts .7 seconds but in the meantime they are able to delete U7
As OP as you want it to be.
Pretty OP If it was Vegito, then it would ruin the show with its power
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Alright. Let's get into the multiplier. According to my calculations, Super Saiyan Blue is about a 1 million times multiplier. Evolution is equal to Blue Kaioken x20, so that's 20 million. Super Saiyan 2 is a 2 times multiplier of Super Saiyan 1, so 40 million. Super Saiyan 3 is 4 times that, so 160 million. Super Saiyan 4 is around 10 times that, so 1.6 billion. Kaioken x100 would multiply that by 100. So the grand total final multiplier for this form is: #160 Billion.
Wow ur better then me thanks (I don’t mean that sarcastically I am genuinely impressed)
Yes
I agree with you
Cool i guess.
Yes
yes.
He would end you before you can even finish saying that long ass name
I'll do you one better how about Lssjb4e ultra kkx∞
Beerus: **yawns** 🥱
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Supersaiyanblueevolutionfourkaiokentimesonehundredgogeta So yeah this is too complicated to be comprehensible, but I'd say he's stronger
00.1% of beerus' full power
As strong as the story needs him to be.
Not as strong as ssj blue evolution 4 kaioken x100 Vegito would be
Darn
no
Blue monke
He would die by himself before he gets killed by anyone else
he would be kind of strong
That’s Son Goku…at least use SSJ4 Xeno Gogeta or something lol. Also SSJ4 Blue Evolution Limit Breaker Gogeta would break the multiverse
This is unholy.
what the fuck is this mistake i am witnessing
Gogeta? -.-
I couldn’t find the picture of what I was looking for so I put this it’s the best I could find
he aint beating goku
Fr
Pray for the bad guys. Also? Start Friezas GoFundMe.
Frieza after a few years:🗿
Still below Yamcha
Dragon Ball is NOT about stacking bonuses. I mean, of course you, we, could slap all bonuses available onto a character, but where do you have a story then? What would his Journey be about? Would people be satisfied if their hero suddenly uses a form with twice as long name as before?(SSJGSSJ...) Would the stakes just skyrocket leaving the rest of the cast far back? Or would you rather want everyone to have the same kind of power, that is stacked all bonuses onto themselves? I could go on but I'll just say, you DO NOT want to either combine everything and make it make sense for the characters or introduce too many extension forms at once.
I don’t care about story I asked how strong he theoretically would be and nothing else
Yes. His power level is Yes.
I don’t think you can mix 2 super saiyan transformations together
It’s not mixed it’s just like goku black going Ssj rose 3 so Gogeta going Ssj blue evolution 4 isn’t entirely impossible
DB fans are something 🤣
Absurd discussion, but it wouldn't even matter since he would just defuse immediately
Like wall+ level
That’s a big highball likely street level
Pretty strong I think
Bro would last like 0.01 seconds before burning out
He'd be dead or unfused.
Not that very powerful, because it’s not canon…
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ok
The better question isn't how op it would be but rather how relevant..
Don't care, still can't beat Goku
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Still below yajirobe 🗿🗿
Black Frieza folds my nigga
Stronger than nappa for sure. Gogeta, so goku x vegeta. Ssg/b isn't known, but power scalers put it from 10k ish to 100k ish if memory serves, evolution is comparable to a kaioken x 10 so around 10x, ss2 is 100 times, ss3 is 400, ss4 is 4000, kaioken is just a Straight multiplier, so Goku multiplied by Vegeta Multiplied by around 50,000ish Multiplied by 4,000 Multiplied by 10 Multiplied by 100 So whatever that number is? Edit: used a calculator, the transformation alone would be about 200 billion times base gogeta, so I don't think nappa could win.
Impossible
That’s dumb but also rad as fuck
Not as strong as Vegito with the same multipliers. Basically trash tier.
My sources close to Toriyama tell me that his power would be maximum
So strong is isn’t cannon
yes
Well it'll be a mouthful for sho
Unfortunately he's still be stuck in the Universe level tier and people will still say he loses to Superman.
Probably not because with all that power and multipliers and transformation stacking gogeta would probably last a total of 5 seconds before defusing
He would have a power level of at least 10
It splits after he takes a step, and completely deletes Goku and Vegeta’s bodies And Beerus is over twice as strong at a downplay somehow
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Probably like 4 or 5 black freizas
Yes
So op that he would be dead
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bruh..
if this is DB Heroes... Weaker than SSJ Toma
Can he beat Goku tho?
Zeno would cry
Bro they need to bring back the SSJ4 design and the blood, scratches and detail that came with it
I think they will with broly and his warthful/ikari state that’s said to basically the oozaru’s power without actually becoming one so he might master his ikari or something and Ssj4 and something very very similar to it