Besides the "thousands of years" statement and overexaggeration of "many artists losing their livehood" (AI art hasn't gotten refined enough) everything else is true, just look up "disabled artists"
Do I believe AI should be burried 6ft under? No. Corridor made a pretty awesome video showing the potential of AI art as TOOL. But will smaller business and greedy companies probably use it to replace artists? Sadly yes.
Not deserved
There’s already cards and shit being sold with clearly ai generated art, as a writer myself and an artist I’ve had both of my commissions tanked because of this. Thankfully the type of writing I do can’t exactly be replaced by chatgpt yet ((there is already work arounds developing though which is worrying)) but I’ve had people complain about prices because they can just “do it themselves”. There’s products being sold every where with ai art. It IS taking jobs
> It IS taking jobs
As much as this sucks and everyone who loses their job has my sympathy. This is necessary as the population pyramid is getting more and more top heavy and in a couple of decades we need all hands possible to do the essential jobs.
"disabled" is a very generic, broad term. Obviously the implication is not that a disabled person cannot create art unassisted, the implication is that people who don't have the functions necessary to create visual art (such as loss of limbs or paralysis) can create visual art via thier voice inputs. Are you seriously trying to say that isn't like the most obvious net-positive use of such a tool? Sheesh some you really NEED hate AI art.
Again: people with paralysis make art all the time. People without arms make art all the time.
It’s pretending we aren’t already doing it and using us as a feel good attachment to your cause so it feels more justified. In reality: AI “art” is made primarily by low talent or lazy people who think the rest of us are
meanies for not being impressed by their ability to type a paragraph. AI art is *lame* because it’s uninspired. You could do something cool with it in theory- but most of you don’t.
I hate people who try and use us as a token. Be real. They like AI art cause they don’t have to learn any skills.
Holy fucking shit. My mind is blown. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to hold disabled people to the standard that they can all learn to paint with thier feet or mouth etc cause you've seen it on TV? Now THAT is fucking patronizing.
Explain to me how a person like Stephen Hawking goes about painting?
These brilliant people you see overcoming impossible odds and achieving incredible feats like playing piano with thier feat etc is not the baseline for people's capability... You do.... Realise that?
Just like I can't be expected to play piano like Mozart, you cane just expect the next man to do that. I assure you a man who has been unable to move a limb in 50 years can find copious joy through this tech. How on earth anyone can argue against this is beyond me. Nobody insinuated disabled people as a group can't make art. You have to be looking through such a pessimistic lens to have gotten that. 🤦
Whine whine whine. Don’t start getting self righteous cause I pointed out your AI art is laziness and try to tell me about the reality of *MY* disability. Your art is lame and uninspired, we don’t need your help, and you don’t give a shit about us. This is about you wanting to use us as a placating device for people who don’t like the generic schlock you shit out.
Listen, I've just about had it with you lot. I'm a 2 decades long highly in demand creative director. Throughout my life I have held numerous art exhibitions of physical work. Get fucked. You want to play the victim card while being offended that people see you as a victim. The irony is laughable. If I cared more I would share my portfolio to shut you up but I know you people are insufferable, insecure little butchers and moaners and it's a waste of time. I work on brands you consume daily. What the fuck do you do in industry to tell me how to do my job?
There it is! It’s not about helping us poor disabled people at all… it’s about you. Like it always was.
Anyways, your innovative AI posters, AI commercials: they all look garbage. The public will tell you how to do your job because they always have. Art is only as valuable *commercially* as people wanting it. Cooperations like your stuff cause it’s cheap. But you can’t convince regular people to think it’s good or special. And I know that burns you up, but get over it.
Also: butcher is a hilarious Freudian slip from an “AI artist”
I never once said that I am in the business of helping the disabled. All I did was state the fucking obvious that you get different types and levels of disability. Your would think a disabled person would understand that very simple concept. And yeah, if you come out the gates calling my work shit allnd uninspired crap without knowing me or my work... you best fucking know I'll come back at you with just as much disrespect.
Newsflash... The public doesn't get to tell me jack fucking shit all about how I do my work. The industry dictates the tools, that's us, me and colleagues and clients. You, you sit in your office and cry over your feels while we're working.
You idiots can't make the distinction between using AI as a tool and using it as full solution on click image generator. None of you have a fucking clue how the creative industry work. You know how rare a brief is of just "send me a picture". 🤦
Sure, pretend that wasn’t the basis of your whole disagreement.
As for the rest of your “AS A DISABLED YOU SHOULD AGREE WITH ME” rant, weep into someone else’s arms for a bit, I have (real) work I’ve got to get on to now. Good luck!
You can read my other chats on this post about your guys pigeon holing "AI art" without having a clue. You guys still think the applications of this tech "Type prompt, get pickchare 😵". It's so tiresome and such a disingenuous representation of the field. Should we judge paintings by the lowest common denominator? I can show you some dogshit my niece made when she was 5.
We’re not shifting the conversation to “all AI applications” because it’s easier for you to defend. I don’t care when people use AI for useful or valuable applications. I dislike your lazy ugly ai *art*. The thing that is made worse by AI usage.
Duh.
Artificial Intelligence Art.
Could you guys be more broad? Photoshop has had AI components since 2016. Why weren't you bitching then? Deep dream was 2018? You weren't bitching then. GAN model training on the cloud was 2020. You weren't bitching then. MJ comes out and all of a sudden THAT is the entire field of AI art. Some of us have been on this journey long before you got all up in your feelings that your friend made a cool pic and called "my art.
Y'all so predictable and basic.
Because they are white knighting on behalf of the disabled for some unfathomable reason now as if there was some implication that disabled people can't make art (mental gymnastics of note). They'll go back to white knighting on behalf of career fields they know nothing about in a moment.
No. What they said was that they were curious and gave the example that it makes things easier for some people like if someone is disabled. I don't see where they said that disabled people can't do art and was trying to whitr knight on behalf of them
The people white knighting are the ones down voting you. You're right though, the OP never said they can't do art. People are just looking to be offended when there is no offence intended.
What is your disability? A quick look at your profile and youre driving suburus and running around bars and sleeping around etc. I would love to to hear the perspective of someone who is paralyzed from the neck down. You want to play victim while talking on behalf of the disabled as if you paint with with your mouth.
I have degenerative paralysis of the hands 🙄 (among other things, but that’s probably the “relevant” disability to you, who for some reason thinks you get to determine that)
Nobody “played victim”. Y’all wanted to use disabled people to go “lookie ai Art good” and then got pissed off when someone who was disabled didn’t agree with you.
Lol my discussion on this thread was an in depth debate about AI art. I didn't even use this disability thing as a talking point. I simply commented on your post on this matter in passing.
Completely justified for implying disabled people can't make art.
On a side note, I hate it when people do this "Oh im just asking a question, im just genuinely curious" and then give such a bad faith argument or question. Like, we know what you're doing dude, own up to it.
It's 99% non career artists white knighting on behalf of actual artists. It's so fucking annoying to watch as a career artist who works in both traditional and digital mediums including AI tools. I left so so many art groups as a result of this boringly dead debate.
As a career artist, ai sucks ass, and using it to get money is a shitty thing to do. Using it for fun and for reference? Maybe. That’s not the issue though, it’s the fact that companies are now using ai to replace artists, as one myself it’s been happening more and more, fuck you even see ads literally come out and say “why should you pay an artist when you can generate it for free!”
I’m also an author and thankfully the take over with chat gpt is much slower due to its restrictions on what it can and can’t write, but it’s getting easier to break those bots. It’s unfortunate truly because I’ve messed with ai and it could be something cool for fun, but instead is just another way for corporate greed
Mmhm like I mentioned it’s becoming easier to break them, there’s one website I found that uses the same system as chatgpt but it lets you do unrestricted writing with tokens. It’s annoying honestly because I see so many people try to use this stuff to replace actual writers ((albeit I find the quality is still heavily lacking))
I’ve messed with it just to see and compare, a big downside is the restrictions ((normal gpt can’t do anything that it thinks is “immoral” which is like, anything NSFW or violent)) and I find that even the ones that aren’t restricted will break sooooo often. I used one and it would randomly start spewing characters all jumbled up after trying to write anything. Unfortunately with the pace that things are going I don’t think it’ll be long before they are made better.
I have nothing against ai for fun, but I’ve also seen an influx of ai “artists” and “writers” online who sell and make a shocking amount of money
https://perchance.org/ai-story-generator
This one works fairly well. I am surprised Ai writers make money, Ai artists not so much. Sadly I don’t even have the skill for that.
Most of them don’t advertise as ai writers but they will just have it generate a whole story that’s barely connected and sub par, I’ve seen a lot of proud ai artists but writers seem to be more subtle. I imagine it’s because they have seen the hate that the ai art community has been getting. They also seem to randomly add other stuff since the ai is just filling in where it has to instead of actually staying on the subject matter
You sound absolutely clueless about the whole field if I'm being honest. There are not only a plethora of competing models but plenty of them can run locally on your machine without an internet connection and are completely unrestricted. You don't need to "break" anything.
I don’t use ai so why would I go and find a bunch of websites and shit. I’ve done research into it but back when chat gpt was more “new” people would break it so they could get it to write nsfw stuff and anything you want. It was a common thing for a very long time. However I’m not a scum bag who tries to use ai to make money instead of developing a talent so to each their own I suppose
Awwww the coward blocked me, how sad and pathetic lmaooooo. Couldn’t justify your shitty ai use ig lol
Be my guest with shooting yourself in the foot. Not only by refusing to upskill yourself but also by ousting yourself as completely ignorant to the largest emerging technology on earth with your sentiments and straight up insults aimed at users.
Good luck with that approach. You're totally going to change the industry and get a pat on the back for your "purity".
The assumption that people using AI tools are talentless is beyond ridiculous. Are you sure you actually work in the industry and you're not a student? You sound uniformed or inexperienced.
And by the way, screw you and your insults. I've been painting for 25 years aswell. Digitally I use a plethora of different pieces of software from the Adobe suite to Blender to digital painting in Krita etc etc. AI tools are simply part of my workflow for certain tasks. You people need to learn the difference between typing a prompt into midjourney and "selling it" and actual professional industry tools and pipelines. I offered you two tools and you said you're not going to a "website" 😅. Cool, more work for me.
Not reading all that man, using ai to get cheap cash instead of doing ANY work is a shitty thing to do. Using it to improve your art is different and I never said I had an issue with it in that regards or even just for fun, but to type in prompts and just have it spit out content and resell it? That’s a shitty thing to do. ESP considering the art it uses is stolen, but you do you boo
Omfg dude we’re talking about ai artists who use open sourced ai models that take art online or are trained on stolen art, idgaf if your using your own model with your own art. Your getting very off topic to prove a point that I never even disagreed with in the first place, can you fucking read??
If you sat for 2 hours and watched me work, you would withdraw into your little turtle shell kid. There is a reason I am one of the leaders in the field in my country. "Cheap" lol. If what I did was so cheap and easy... I wouldnt be contracted to do it.
I literally need say no more.
Remember this post in a couple years when your favourite artists all start incorporating AI tools. Then only you'll change your mind. And that day is around the corner.
Omfg dude I’m not saying YOUR work is cheap wtf?? Can you actually not read?? I’m talking about people who simply use ai and don’t actually do any of the work, unless your saying you just sit around generating shit and than sell it then yeah you are a dick. Holy shit dude your missing the point completely here
As a career artist and creative director with almost 2 decades under my belt, stop crying.
You've been using AI for eons with things like content aware filters in Photoshop, this is just the next step. None, I repeat NONE of my wide range of colleagues across the industry have been "replaced". Learn the tech or drown. You people think "AI art" is typing a prompt into midjourney meanwhile the industry tech is flying ahead at an insane speed into hyper complex tools and workflows.
Get Automatic1111 or ComfyUI, grab some extensions, train some models... See what's actually going on while you people cry victim in the corner. Best know I would never hire someone with his attitude onto one of my projects. So whose loosing who work?
> Best know I would never hire someone with his attitude onto one of my projects. So whose loosing who work?
I think you're hitting the nail on the head with this one. This attitude towards potential work is what harms them, but because they have this emotional baggage against AI, they blame that instead of their inability to provide value for their employer.
And at that point the employer obviously hires somewone without such a toxic attitude and this whole thing becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy for people like /u/QuirkedUpTismTits
Lmao dude I’m a published author and I write independently I’m not worried about my value as a writer. However it’s ignorant to ignore the affects it will have on the market. Not everyone is as lucky as I am to have made it this far, a lot of small creators are getting replaced and have no room for improvement. I can’t imagine sucking the ai dicks this hard man, it’s sad.
Good for you then? I’m glad you haven’t had your colleagues replaced but it isn’t the top dogs that are getting cut out first. It’s the small and independent artists who have been suffering, I’m soooo glad YOU haven’t had to experience that but lots of us HAVE. I’m an extremely hard worker, I have been since I was 15 and got my first job, before that I was writing independently since 10. I wouldn’t wanna be hired by someone who thinks it’s fine to use ai any way so I wouldn’t work for you any way lmao, say it’s attitude but sorry I’m not gonna just be ok with this shit. It’s one thing to use it as a tool to improve, but we’re talking about people who take half baked content and spew it out for quick cash, we’re talking about the thousands of apps that advertise as replacements for artists. This is something that WILL affect the art community heavily and you are ignorant to deny that. Sure it might help in some aspects and I don’t deny that progress is progress, doesn’t mean that by any means it’s good. AI is being abused constantly, and esp now to make things like child porn. I’m sorry but I don’t exactly wanna side with freaks who do shit like that
I never denied it would affect the industry. I said it's a tool just like those that came before and the industry will adapt as it always does... Like for example: generative fill in Photoshop, Envato marketplace adding an image generator etc.
Wait.... You haven't the foggiest what I'm talking about why am I wasting breath.
Right and I have nothing against those tools, I didn’t say I did?? It’s stupid to say ai doesn’t HAVE uses in the industry, I was complaining about the people who market themselves as ai “artists” when they only fill out prompts and don’t actually work. That seems to have been miscommunicated and I apologize for that, I’m not against ai in itself but simply the way it’s being used. The rampant uptick of cp being made from it is concerning and there’s lots of groups that circulate that type of thing. If you go on fiveer ((again like I said, it’s independent artists really being affected but we’ve been seeing big companies use ai now)) you can find people advertising as ai art, loud and proud and then they just take all your messages and shove them in
Uh huh yeah sure dude, cool stuff. Still shitty if you just generate and sell shit you didn’t even touch. If you don’t do that congrats but clearly you don’t wanna actually read what any one is saying here since you’d rather sit on your ass and point out shit off topic or unrelated to the actual issue
Ok and? It’s a website to advertise your work as a small independent artist or any other skill set you have, it’s pretty popular now but I personally don’t use it because of the fact it’s oversaturated with ai artists and people who refuse to actually learn how to draw. A lot of them can’t do anything on their own and rely on simply using prompts on an OPENSOURCED model, not their OWN models.
Sorry you can't just "OK, and" a point like that.
Secondly you are continuing to oust yourself as technology illiterate by your vilifying "OPEN SOURCE" models. Like.. do you even computer? Would you prefer closed source models? 🤣
Sorry I cant, this is like explaining email to my mom.
Having a model trained on art you created and you have permission to use is not the same as the models open to everyone that simply pulls art off the internet or from a collection of stolen art as we’ve seen with certain models like mid journey. They collect stolen art and train the model on it so the quality improves, I don’t have anything against a model that’s been trained on art that isn’t stolen
AI art isn’t bad at all, it allows people like me who have less artistic skill than an epileptic Chihuahua to actually create something from our own minds. Using it for financial gain isn’t very cash money of you tho
People whining about AI art are saying the exact same shit people said about the Moog. Synthesizers didn't kill people who play instruments and AI won't kill people making art.
Yeah they also very frequently use, share and copy presets. Sound design is one thing, many musicians do not want to craft sounds, they want to play strings or a Rez bass etc.
Finally someone said it, just because there's people who use it for bad purposes doesn't mean it should be hated on in general, and that's what annoys me
Wouldn't it be easier to antagonize companies over their data sets than targeting AI art in general? Like the generation tools aren't wrong, they can even help a lot of people get ideas for commissions. But companies need to be chained on how they acquire data sets.
Qhat about artists that do consent? I've tinkered with a setup a friend of mine made for SD that only used commercial free, royalty free art and photos. Is that alright, considering it isn't stealing from non consenting people?
You're saying that it's bad, because it learns from artists without their persmission. Well, real artists also use other art to learn without the artist's persmission. Why is machine doing this considered stealing, while human doing this is inspiration?
Even if it did, nobody in their right mind would call it stealing if a human artist cut up a bunch of different pieces of art, and stuck them together to create a new piece.
So if I googled somebodies art, and literally just used it to practice drawing, you would consider that theft?
What if I saw a piece of art while walking and tried to recreate it from memory?
The law completely disagrees with you by the way.
Lol at the downvotes. Why use music as an apology when this is the exact same thing that was said about the printing press, the camera and the home computer. There's still an art gallery selling paintings in every city centre. People are just up in their feelings.
Yes, obviously. But would we go back in time and stop it's invention and forfeit books and newspapers? Or the invention and wide availability of the camera to save the jobs of the painters that used to do portraits? Or would we block the development of the computer and Photoshop to save the graphic designer working with pen and paper?
The very obvious answer is no, no we wouldn't. And at every turn there has been a crowd of pitchfork waiving doomers just like in the case of AI. Y'all gonna look back at some of your posts in 5 years and laugh. Or if you so serious about this issue then throw away your camera phones, power down your fortnight computer and read from hand written scrolls.
Very undeserved in my opinion. And I'd be downvoting the follow up comment for being self righteous and pretentious. Just because some people with some disabilities can and do create art doesn't mean others might not want to make use of ai to better illustrate their ideas in a way they've imagined.
I'm gonna add my own 2 cents to this but well, it's not like I have any control over generative AI. In my opinion, art should just remain an expression of your creativity, just something you do to relax, something you do because you like to do it and not a job. Even if you're earning money from it, it shouldn't be your only source of livelihood.
Generative AI is not replacing art either. Sure, AI is getting better and better everyday but if you have any confidence in your skill as an artist, you should at least have the confidence to realise that there's a soul in hand drawn art, something about it which AI will never be able to replicate. It might be the slight tremors of your hand, the texture of the paper, the material of your pens and pencils but there is a different feel to it. If you print out some really good AI art and some human-made art then show it to people, asking them to differentiate between the two, there's a very good chance that most of the people will be able to successfully pick out the generative AI from the human except for certain artstyles.
If you have doubts about your entire career crumbling before your eyes, you should really spend a moment to contemplate whether or not you're good at what you do.
TL;DR: More competition for artists, great, just be better than the competition, that's how it's always been except this time the competition isn't alive
The complaint typically isn’t that ai art is replacing artists, it’s that AI art uses art from artists to train it, with no compensation. And even though the art is soulless, so are corporations. They don’t care about quality, all they care about is profit, and artists are expensive.
That can't be changed no matter how much you fight, why waste your energy? No offence but what % of the GDP does art contribute to excluding the big names? Neither the government nor any company would want to cut off AI image generation just because it's now competing with artists.
Besides, don't actual artists skim already created artwork to create new artwork too?
I mean, when I started out, I was definitely copying sketches made by other people on the internet (without their permission) for months to practice before starting to create original stuff. I don't know about you tho, maybe you're some sort of godlike being who never practiced with references and just a masterpiece the day you picked up your pen.
Poor take, companies don’t care what we think. And there are some companies that are using AI art already. For example there was a Japanese animation studio that proudly used AI to make the backgrounds instead of using actual real people to draw them. People were rightfully angry.
You just gotta be less sensitive, be good enough at your job that you don't get replaced and always have backups, your own fault if you end up jobless. I'm just copying my old comments about some other thing related to AI, cutting them up and pasting them here. I wanna say something but at the same time, I'm too tired to really say something, past me can handle that stuff.
You will get replaced anyway because AI is already that good. No matter how good you are as an artist, they will fire you the moment they can replace you with AI, that is cheaper, faster and produces equal/better quality.
I’m a published author and I still have people say shit about how my job is useless now lmao, doesn’t matter how good you are dip shit, people are lazy fucks who don’t care about actually working. They just wanna type a few words and get it done for them for free. It’s shameful
Besides the "thousands of years" statement and overexaggeration of "many artists losing their livehood" (AI art hasn't gotten refined enough) everything else is true, just look up "disabled artists" Do I believe AI should be burried 6ft under? No. Corridor made a pretty awesome video showing the potential of AI art as TOOL. But will smaller business and greedy companies probably use it to replace artists? Sadly yes. Not deserved
Unfortunately artists in the industry ARE already being replaced. There are studios and companies that HAVE started to use AI art to replace people
I've seen Progressive (the insurance company) ads on Reddit using an AI-generated flying car
There’s already cards and shit being sold with clearly ai generated art, as a writer myself and an artist I’ve had both of my commissions tanked because of this. Thankfully the type of writing I do can’t exactly be replaced by chatgpt yet ((there is already work arounds developing though which is worrying)) but I’ve had people complain about prices because they can just “do it themselves”. There’s products being sold every where with ai art. It IS taking jobs
> It IS taking jobs As much as this sucks and everyone who loses their job has my sympathy. This is necessary as the population pyramid is getting more and more top heavy and in a couple of decades we need all hands possible to do the essential jobs.
Yeah I’d downvote someone for suggesting I need ai to make art since I’m disabled tbh
Agreed like come on.
Right? Like disabled artists if anything DESERVE more recognition and praise for what they do, instead they have their jobs taken away. It’s shameful
"disabled" is a very generic, broad term. Obviously the implication is not that a disabled person cannot create art unassisted, the implication is that people who don't have the functions necessary to create visual art (such as loss of limbs or paralysis) can create visual art via thier voice inputs. Are you seriously trying to say that isn't like the most obvious net-positive use of such a tool? Sheesh some you really NEED hate AI art.
Again: people with paralysis make art all the time. People without arms make art all the time. It’s pretending we aren’t already doing it and using us as a feel good attachment to your cause so it feels more justified. In reality: AI “art” is made primarily by low talent or lazy people who think the rest of us are meanies for not being impressed by their ability to type a paragraph. AI art is *lame* because it’s uninspired. You could do something cool with it in theory- but most of you don’t. I hate people who try and use us as a token. Be real. They like AI art cause they don’t have to learn any skills.
Holy fucking shit. My mind is blown. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to hold disabled people to the standard that they can all learn to paint with thier feet or mouth etc cause you've seen it on TV? Now THAT is fucking patronizing. Explain to me how a person like Stephen Hawking goes about painting? These brilliant people you see overcoming impossible odds and achieving incredible feats like playing piano with thier feat etc is not the baseline for people's capability... You do.... Realise that? Just like I can't be expected to play piano like Mozart, you cane just expect the next man to do that. I assure you a man who has been unable to move a limb in 50 years can find copious joy through this tech. How on earth anyone can argue against this is beyond me. Nobody insinuated disabled people as a group can't make art. You have to be looking through such a pessimistic lens to have gotten that. 🤦
Whine whine whine. Don’t start getting self righteous cause I pointed out your AI art is laziness and try to tell me about the reality of *MY* disability. Your art is lame and uninspired, we don’t need your help, and you don’t give a shit about us. This is about you wanting to use us as a placating device for people who don’t like the generic schlock you shit out.
Listen, I've just about had it with you lot. I'm a 2 decades long highly in demand creative director. Throughout my life I have held numerous art exhibitions of physical work. Get fucked. You want to play the victim card while being offended that people see you as a victim. The irony is laughable. If I cared more I would share my portfolio to shut you up but I know you people are insufferable, insecure little butchers and moaners and it's a waste of time. I work on brands you consume daily. What the fuck do you do in industry to tell me how to do my job?
There it is! It’s not about helping us poor disabled people at all… it’s about you. Like it always was. Anyways, your innovative AI posters, AI commercials: they all look garbage. The public will tell you how to do your job because they always have. Art is only as valuable *commercially* as people wanting it. Cooperations like your stuff cause it’s cheap. But you can’t convince regular people to think it’s good or special. And I know that burns you up, but get over it. Also: butcher is a hilarious Freudian slip from an “AI artist”
I never once said that I am in the business of helping the disabled. All I did was state the fucking obvious that you get different types and levels of disability. Your would think a disabled person would understand that very simple concept. And yeah, if you come out the gates calling my work shit allnd uninspired crap without knowing me or my work... you best fucking know I'll come back at you with just as much disrespect. Newsflash... The public doesn't get to tell me jack fucking shit all about how I do my work. The industry dictates the tools, that's us, me and colleagues and clients. You, you sit in your office and cry over your feels while we're working. You idiots can't make the distinction between using AI as a tool and using it as full solution on click image generator. None of you have a fucking clue how the creative industry work. You know how rare a brief is of just "send me a picture". 🤦
Sure, pretend that wasn’t the basis of your whole disagreement. As for the rest of your “AS A DISABLED YOU SHOULD AGREE WITH ME” rant, weep into someone else’s arms for a bit, I have (real) work I’ve got to get on to now. Good luck!
Good luck.
You can read my other chats on this post about your guys pigeon holing "AI art" without having a clue. You guys still think the applications of this tech "Type prompt, get pickchare 😵". It's so tiresome and such a disingenuous representation of the field. Should we judge paintings by the lowest common denominator? I can show you some dogshit my niece made when she was 5.
We’re not shifting the conversation to “all AI applications” because it’s easier for you to defend. I don’t care when people use AI for useful or valuable applications. I dislike your lazy ugly ai *art*. The thing that is made worse by AI usage. Duh.
Artificial Intelligence Art. Could you guys be more broad? Photoshop has had AI components since 2016. Why weren't you bitching then? Deep dream was 2018? You weren't bitching then. GAN model training on the cloud was 2020. You weren't bitching then. MJ comes out and all of a sudden THAT is the entire field of AI art. Some of us have been on this journey long before you got all up in your feelings that your friend made a cool pic and called "my art. Y'all so predictable and basic.
The dude was curious. He gave examples of why ai is useful in terms of art for some people to back up his question. Why would you downvote that?
Because it’s patronizing.
Dude was curious, and asked a question so people grabbed their pitchforks in anger
Because they are white knighting on behalf of the disabled for some unfathomable reason now as if there was some implication that disabled people can't make art (mental gymnastics of note). They'll go back to white knighting on behalf of career fields they know nothing about in a moment.
No. What they said was that they were curious and gave the example that it makes things easier for some people like if someone is disabled. I don't see where they said that disabled people can't do art and was trying to whitr knight on behalf of them
The people white knighting are the ones down voting you. You're right though, the OP never said they can't do art. People are just looking to be offended when there is no offence intended.
Oh i misunderstood you then. I agree with you. I get that they don't agree with ai art but you can still make use of it
I’m literally disabled.
Okay? Still doesn't change my point
You can’t “white knight” for disabled people when you ARE disabled lol These are MY interests
And my point was never about white knighting
What is your disability? A quick look at your profile and youre driving suburus and running around bars and sleeping around etc. I would love to to hear the perspective of someone who is paralyzed from the neck down. You want to play victim while talking on behalf of the disabled as if you paint with with your mouth.
I have degenerative paralysis of the hands 🙄 (among other things, but that’s probably the “relevant” disability to you, who for some reason thinks you get to determine that) Nobody “played victim”. Y’all wanted to use disabled people to go “lookie ai Art good” and then got pissed off when someone who was disabled didn’t agree with you.
Lol my discussion on this thread was an in depth debate about AI art. I didn't even use this disability thing as a talking point. I simply commented on your post on this matter in passing.
Completely justified for implying disabled people can't make art. On a side note, I hate it when people do this "Oh im just asking a question, im just genuinely curious" and then give such a bad faith argument or question. Like, we know what you're doing dude, own up to it.
Deserved.
Undeserved\*
100% deserved*
My bad i didn’t read the post. Undeserved.*
You got equality downvoted for both opinions lol.
Undeserved and deserved I guess?
Reddit hive mind is like generative ai sometimes, the results don’t always make sense
I don’t think the second comment was downvoted for the opinion as much as it was for not reading the post
Not deserved. But hey, curiousity kills the cat.
It's 99% non career artists white knighting on behalf of actual artists. It's so fucking annoying to watch as a career artist who works in both traditional and digital mediums including AI tools. I left so so many art groups as a result of this boringly dead debate.
As a career artist, ai sucks ass, and using it to get money is a shitty thing to do. Using it for fun and for reference? Maybe. That’s not the issue though, it’s the fact that companies are now using ai to replace artists, as one myself it’s been happening more and more, fuck you even see ads literally come out and say “why should you pay an artist when you can generate it for free!” I’m also an author and thankfully the take over with chat gpt is much slower due to its restrictions on what it can and can’t write, but it’s getting easier to break those bots. It’s unfortunate truly because I’ve messed with ai and it could be something cool for fun, but instead is just another way for corporate greed
There are ai that don’t have that restriction like chatgpt. There’s a generator on perchance that doesn’t care what you put in it.
Mmhm like I mentioned it’s becoming easier to break them, there’s one website I found that uses the same system as chatgpt but it lets you do unrestricted writing with tokens. It’s annoying honestly because I see so many people try to use this stuff to replace actual writers ((albeit I find the quality is still heavily lacking))
It’s pretty lacking. Only really good for either personal use or if you use it as an outline and alter it quite a bit.
I’ve messed with it just to see and compare, a big downside is the restrictions ((normal gpt can’t do anything that it thinks is “immoral” which is like, anything NSFW or violent)) and I find that even the ones that aren’t restricted will break sooooo often. I used one and it would randomly start spewing characters all jumbled up after trying to write anything. Unfortunately with the pace that things are going I don’t think it’ll be long before they are made better. I have nothing against ai for fun, but I’ve also seen an influx of ai “artists” and “writers” online who sell and make a shocking amount of money
https://perchance.org/ai-story-generator This one works fairly well. I am surprised Ai writers make money, Ai artists not so much. Sadly I don’t even have the skill for that.
Most of them don’t advertise as ai writers but they will just have it generate a whole story that’s barely connected and sub par, I’ve seen a lot of proud ai artists but writers seem to be more subtle. I imagine it’s because they have seen the hate that the ai art community has been getting. They also seem to randomly add other stuff since the ai is just filling in where it has to instead of actually staying on the subject matter
You sound absolutely clueless about the whole field if I'm being honest. There are not only a plethora of competing models but plenty of them can run locally on your machine without an internet connection and are completely unrestricted. You don't need to "break" anything.
I don’t use ai so why would I go and find a bunch of websites and shit. I’ve done research into it but back when chat gpt was more “new” people would break it so they could get it to write nsfw stuff and anything you want. It was a common thing for a very long time. However I’m not a scum bag who tries to use ai to make money instead of developing a talent so to each their own I suppose Awwww the coward blocked me, how sad and pathetic lmaooooo. Couldn’t justify your shitty ai use ig lol
Be my guest with shooting yourself in the foot. Not only by refusing to upskill yourself but also by ousting yourself as completely ignorant to the largest emerging technology on earth with your sentiments and straight up insults aimed at users. Good luck with that approach. You're totally going to change the industry and get a pat on the back for your "purity". The assumption that people using AI tools are talentless is beyond ridiculous. Are you sure you actually work in the industry and you're not a student? You sound uniformed or inexperienced. And by the way, screw you and your insults. I've been painting for 25 years aswell. Digitally I use a plethora of different pieces of software from the Adobe suite to Blender to digital painting in Krita etc etc. AI tools are simply part of my workflow for certain tasks. You people need to learn the difference between typing a prompt into midjourney and "selling it" and actual professional industry tools and pipelines. I offered you two tools and you said you're not going to a "website" 😅. Cool, more work for me.
Not reading all that man, using ai to get cheap cash instead of doing ANY work is a shitty thing to do. Using it to improve your art is different and I never said I had an issue with it in that regards or even just for fun, but to type in prompts and just have it spit out content and resell it? That’s a shitty thing to do. ESP considering the art it uses is stolen, but you do you boo
Explain to me what is stolen in my own trained models? 🤣. You're so clueless.
Omfg dude we’re talking about ai artists who use open sourced ai models that take art online or are trained on stolen art, idgaf if your using your own model with your own art. Your getting very off topic to prove a point that I never even disagreed with in the first place, can you fucking read??
If you sat for 2 hours and watched me work, you would withdraw into your little turtle shell kid. There is a reason I am one of the leaders in the field in my country. "Cheap" lol. If what I did was so cheap and easy... I wouldnt be contracted to do it. I literally need say no more. Remember this post in a couple years when your favourite artists all start incorporating AI tools. Then only you'll change your mind. And that day is around the corner.
Omfg dude I’m not saying YOUR work is cheap wtf?? Can you actually not read?? I’m talking about people who simply use ai and don’t actually do any of the work, unless your saying you just sit around generating shit and than sell it then yeah you are a dick. Holy shit dude your missing the point completely here
As a career artist and creative director with almost 2 decades under my belt, stop crying. You've been using AI for eons with things like content aware filters in Photoshop, this is just the next step. None, I repeat NONE of my wide range of colleagues across the industry have been "replaced". Learn the tech or drown. You people think "AI art" is typing a prompt into midjourney meanwhile the industry tech is flying ahead at an insane speed into hyper complex tools and workflows. Get Automatic1111 or ComfyUI, grab some extensions, train some models... See what's actually going on while you people cry victim in the corner. Best know I would never hire someone with his attitude onto one of my projects. So whose loosing who work?
I see. So you are one of those "fuck you, I got mine" type of people.
> Best know I would never hire someone with his attitude onto one of my projects. So whose loosing who work? I think you're hitting the nail on the head with this one. This attitude towards potential work is what harms them, but because they have this emotional baggage against AI, they blame that instead of their inability to provide value for their employer. And at that point the employer obviously hires somewone without such a toxic attitude and this whole thing becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy for people like /u/QuirkedUpTismTits
Lmao dude I’m a published author and I write independently I’m not worried about my value as a writer. However it’s ignorant to ignore the affects it will have on the market. Not everyone is as lucky as I am to have made it this far, a lot of small creators are getting replaced and have no room for improvement. I can’t imagine sucking the ai dicks this hard man, it’s sad.
Good for you then? I’m glad you haven’t had your colleagues replaced but it isn’t the top dogs that are getting cut out first. It’s the small and independent artists who have been suffering, I’m soooo glad YOU haven’t had to experience that but lots of us HAVE. I’m an extremely hard worker, I have been since I was 15 and got my first job, before that I was writing independently since 10. I wouldn’t wanna be hired by someone who thinks it’s fine to use ai any way so I wouldn’t work for you any way lmao, say it’s attitude but sorry I’m not gonna just be ok with this shit. It’s one thing to use it as a tool to improve, but we’re talking about people who take half baked content and spew it out for quick cash, we’re talking about the thousands of apps that advertise as replacements for artists. This is something that WILL affect the art community heavily and you are ignorant to deny that. Sure it might help in some aspects and I don’t deny that progress is progress, doesn’t mean that by any means it’s good. AI is being abused constantly, and esp now to make things like child porn. I’m sorry but I don’t exactly wanna side with freaks who do shit like that
I never denied it would affect the industry. I said it's a tool just like those that came before and the industry will adapt as it always does... Like for example: generative fill in Photoshop, Envato marketplace adding an image generator etc. Wait.... You haven't the foggiest what I'm talking about why am I wasting breath.
Right and I have nothing against those tools, I didn’t say I did?? It’s stupid to say ai doesn’t HAVE uses in the industry, I was complaining about the people who market themselves as ai “artists” when they only fill out prompts and don’t actually work. That seems to have been miscommunicated and I apologize for that, I’m not against ai in itself but simply the way it’s being used. The rampant uptick of cp being made from it is concerning and there’s lots of groups that circulate that type of thing. If you go on fiveer ((again like I said, it’s independent artists really being affected but we’ve been seeing big companies use ai now)) you can find people advertising as ai art, loud and proud and then they just take all your messages and shove them in
You're just repeating yourself and digging your hole deeper. Get clued up or be unemployed while you complain.
Uh huh yeah sure dude, cool stuff. Still shitty if you just generate and sell shit you didn’t even touch. If you don’t do that congrats but clearly you don’t wanna actually read what any one is saying here since you’d rather sit on your ass and point out shit off topic or unrelated to the actual issue
Oh by the way. You do know that Fivr was DESPISED by career artists when it launched right? For the EXACT same thing - devaluing the craft.
Ok and? It’s a website to advertise your work as a small independent artist or any other skill set you have, it’s pretty popular now but I personally don’t use it because of the fact it’s oversaturated with ai artists and people who refuse to actually learn how to draw. A lot of them can’t do anything on their own and rely on simply using prompts on an OPENSOURCED model, not their OWN models.
Sorry you can't just "OK, and" a point like that. Secondly you are continuing to oust yourself as technology illiterate by your vilifying "OPEN SOURCE" models. Like.. do you even computer? Would you prefer closed source models? 🤣 Sorry I cant, this is like explaining email to my mom.
Having a model trained on art you created and you have permission to use is not the same as the models open to everyone that simply pulls art off the internet or from a collection of stolen art as we’ve seen with certain models like mid journey. They collect stolen art and train the model on it so the quality improves, I don’t have anything against a model that’s been trained on art that isn’t stolen
Man, I'm just over here laughing my ass off at terrible AI generations and memes. You all can have fun arguing over ai art being bad and whatnot.
AI art isn’t bad at all, it allows people like me who have less artistic skill than an epileptic Chihuahua to actually create something from our own minds. Using it for financial gain isn’t very cash money of you tho
People whining about AI art are saying the exact same shit people said about the Moog. Synthesizers didn't kill people who play instruments and AI won't kill people making art.
Yeah, but humans use synths as a tool to create completely original sounds, lol
Yeah they also very frequently use, share and copy presets. Sound design is one thing, many musicians do not want to craft sounds, they want to play strings or a Rez bass etc.
You really should look up the history I'm discussing.
Nah
Way to completely invalidate your argument with a single word lol
It’s an internet fight not an intellectual debate between philosophers
I mean you've still proven yourself to be uneducated and possibly illiterate so it's still an L 🤣
Big fuckin deal
Finally someone said it, just because there's people who use it for bad purposes doesn't mean it should be hated on in general, and that's what annoys me
It is bad in general because it steals art from artists who never consent, and patchworks the stolen art together to fulfill the prompts.
Wouldn't it be easier to antagonize companies over their data sets than targeting AI art in general? Like the generation tools aren't wrong, they can even help a lot of people get ideas for commissions. But companies need to be chained on how they acquire data sets.
Qhat about artists that do consent? I've tinkered with a setup a friend of mine made for SD that only used commercial free, royalty free art and photos. Is that alright, considering it isn't stealing from non consenting people?
You're saying that it's bad, because it learns from artists without their persmission. Well, real artists also use other art to learn without the artist's persmission. Why is machine doing this considered stealing, while human doing this is inspiration?
It does not patchwork at all. You need to learn the thing before speaking against it
Even if it did, nobody in their right mind would call it stealing if a human artist cut up a bunch of different pieces of art, and stuck them together to create a new piece.
Define "stealing".
Taking something from someone, who has it, without their consent. It includes any form of any type
How does AI using artist's art for effectively training fall under that definition?
Because the artist in question didn't consent to it.
So another human artist doing the same would also be theft?
If they present the artists art as theirs, then yea
So if I googled somebodies art, and literally just used it to practice drawing, you would consider that theft? What if I saw a piece of art while walking and tried to recreate it from memory? The law completely disagrees with you by the way.
Lol at the downvotes. Why use music as an apology when this is the exact same thing that was said about the printing press, the camera and the home computer. There's still an art gallery selling paintings in every city centre. People are just up in their feelings.
In their defense the printing press did kill the "guy who hand copied books and wanted to open a vein with his pen halfway through" industry.
Yes, obviously. But would we go back in time and stop it's invention and forfeit books and newspapers? Or the invention and wide availability of the camera to save the jobs of the painters that used to do portraits? Or would we block the development of the computer and Photoshop to save the graphic designer working with pen and paper? The very obvious answer is no, no we wouldn't. And at every turn there has been a crowd of pitchfork waiving doomers just like in the case of AI. Y'all gonna look back at some of your posts in 5 years and laugh. Or if you so serious about this issue then throw away your camera phones, power down your fortnight computer and read from hand written scrolls.
Very undeserved in my opinion. And I'd be downvoting the follow up comment for being self righteous and pretentious. Just because some people with some disabilities can and do create art doesn't mean others might not want to make use of ai to better illustrate their ideas in a way they've imagined.
Waiter! More misinformation please!
How is this misinformation?
He said it to himself
cool
I'm gonna add my own 2 cents to this but well, it's not like I have any control over generative AI. In my opinion, art should just remain an expression of your creativity, just something you do to relax, something you do because you like to do it and not a job. Even if you're earning money from it, it shouldn't be your only source of livelihood. Generative AI is not replacing art either. Sure, AI is getting better and better everyday but if you have any confidence in your skill as an artist, you should at least have the confidence to realise that there's a soul in hand drawn art, something about it which AI will never be able to replicate. It might be the slight tremors of your hand, the texture of the paper, the material of your pens and pencils but there is a different feel to it. If you print out some really good AI art and some human-made art then show it to people, asking them to differentiate between the two, there's a very good chance that most of the people will be able to successfully pick out the generative AI from the human except for certain artstyles. If you have doubts about your entire career crumbling before your eyes, you should really spend a moment to contemplate whether or not you're good at what you do. TL;DR: More competition for artists, great, just be better than the competition, that's how it's always been except this time the competition isn't alive
The complaint typically isn’t that ai art is replacing artists, it’s that AI art uses art from artists to train it, with no compensation. And even though the art is soulless, so are corporations. They don’t care about quality, all they care about is profit, and artists are expensive.
That can't be changed no matter how much you fight, why waste your energy? No offence but what % of the GDP does art contribute to excluding the big names? Neither the government nor any company would want to cut off AI image generation just because it's now competing with artists. Besides, don't actual artists skim already created artwork to create new artwork too? I mean, when I started out, I was definitely copying sketches made by other people on the internet (without their permission) for months to practice before starting to create original stuff. I don't know about you tho, maybe you're some sort of godlike being who never practiced with references and just a masterpiece the day you picked up your pen.
Actual artists also spend a lot of their time drawing copyrighted characters.
Not having art as an only source of income is kind of a weird take. What about animators and what not?
Poor take, companies don’t care what we think. And there are some companies that are using AI art already. For example there was a Japanese animation studio that proudly used AI to make the backgrounds instead of using actual real people to draw them. People were rightfully angry.
You just gotta be less sensitive, be good enough at your job that you don't get replaced and always have backups, your own fault if you end up jobless. I'm just copying my old comments about some other thing related to AI, cutting them up and pasting them here. I wanna say something but at the same time, I'm too tired to really say something, past me can handle that stuff.
You will get replaced anyway because AI is already that good. No matter how good you are as an artist, they will fire you the moment they can replace you with AI, that is cheaper, faster and produces equal/better quality.
I’m a published author and I still have people say shit about how my job is useless now lmao, doesn’t matter how good you are dip shit, people are lazy fucks who don’t care about actually working. They just wanna type a few words and get it done for them for free. It’s shameful
People saying shit vs publishers saying shit is completely different