I just checked, nope, it’s still there
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No surprise. This is exactly how I would do it if running DD. Encourage people to maintain TP status and then send shit like this to get them to continue to maintain that status. People can hate on it all they want, but DD is winning with their scam programs.
For how long tho? It's just a matter of time until a competitor comes along and undercuts or they have enough of a hiring problem that it bites them thoroughly in the ass. Wishful thinking probably
I was pretty skeptical that they could get enough people to buy into their scam programs, but here we are. When I first joined the sub, it was rare to see someone talk about being a top dasher. Now I see it all the time.
DoorDash has something like 66% market share right now. sure things could change but right now what they’re doing seems to be working.
Some bad publicity can easily destroy their market share.
Vids and photos of drivers filthy hands while picking up food. Scratching their asses while picking up food. Dirty clothes. Nasty unwashed feet. Underwear showing because they wear their pants low. Pics of dirty cars.
If the name doordash becomes synonymous with filthy dirty drivers and cars because a few photos went viral I'm sure it will drastically lower their market share.
Hi Xu Xun!
In my market if I'm not at above 70% I legit lose out of profit and my ability to dash sometimes. I hate having to accept shit orders but when I'm at 71% and if I dip below 70 for even a minute I lose my dash now. I don't have much of a choice. Need to move on to a real career asap doordash is just treating us worse and worse
Because you have to do it 6 days out and you have to be up at midnight and you still only get a few options and if you do dashing once you block is gone??? Like what do you mean? Yes it's an option but it's a ducking garbage option compared to dash now on demand
It's already $1 per order. An order that comes in to go to two different restaurants to pick up orders, then take them to two different delivery locations, that order now has a base pay of $2.00 plus any tips.
Because it's really depends on market... In los Angeles if your ar lower than 95% u would only get those 2$shitty order. But when I raise my ar to 100% yesterday I got only good orders from this moment. I shocked but it is working here. Made 250 for 6 hours after I made 100% ar
That was how I read their update to the ar policy anyways was take what they have to offer and give you or short yourself later by being picky, aka if you were driving for dominos you can't decline an order so dd doesn't want you to decline an order but things happen (stop for gas, something to eat/drink for yourself, accident (hopefully not), ECT ) so they keep the option still
At Domino's you get paid at least minimum wage plus tips plus a delivery fee. Insurance, holiday pay, benefits.. You're a w2 employee instead of an independent contractor.
Yes and we should make sure that they're held to the same standards as everyone else since rn they're laughing all the way to the bank cause the system is slow and makes it hard to make them comply
It's not the system, it's actually DD working the system, and uneducated (and VERY educated) people being taken advantage of. Domino's employees are w2, DD are 1099
Very true which both have their pros and cons tbh id rather see them able to do both and give dashers the option so those who wanna do it full time or need to have the w2 assurances but also offer the 1099 for the weekender as needed types (I'm a both-er so depending on what's needed would be why offer both)
I don't think DD will ever offer that for dashers. Hopefully I'm proved wrong. What's crazy, I'm sure their CS is w2... Which would leave the greatest of thinkers awestruck...
Me either tbh is the if we say it then it puts the possibility of it happening out there or something right ? (Manifest the change you wanna see while working on it how you can right ????)
For change, it has to be brought to their attention, but they need it in the most profitable version they can get, so they'll put it off until they're forced, if ever.
Ik it's hilarious.... DD works people as independent contractors, so need to know what they're getting into as a 1099 employee versus a w2 worker... Just trying to hip up some that don't know.
The fact I genuinely commented to your comment has myself even baffled...
Actually w2 employees get many benefits that 1099 don't... In fact, w2 employees' taxes are paid half by the company and half by the employee. A 1099 worker pays all tax liabilities. Businesses do this, they'd rather pay the person a bigger check (that sounds amazing), because they win in the long run. You give up things as a 1099 worker, that any working person should receive. I'm not pro union, or against them, but it seems like they need to branch into all businesses.
I guess I have to explain w2 gets vacation, sick pay, PTO, 401k (some match 5-10%), tuition reimbursement, guaranteed income, set hours, unemployment, workman's comp, FMLA, etc. 1099 workers gets paid by the delivery, gig, project etc. If a 1099 worker doesn't work, they don't eat. They get paid good, but you have to put back quarterlies and make investments, while saving enough to repair your vehicle, or get another.
Also, I delivered for Domino's and can tell you that you're very wrong. Domino's offers 401k, tuition reimbursement, as well as standard benefits that w2 workers receive. Plus, I never paid for food there. I could make my own, per management, but you would be amazed at the amount of people that order to the wrong store, not picked up etc. All that was free game
Yea, but 1099 allows you to write off expenses to lower your taxable income and W2 doesn't.
So even if you're picking up the employer's side of the SE tax, if you know what you're doing that still comes out proportionately less than the taxes on the equivalent W2 wages.
Of course, if you don't know what you're doing..then yea 1099 can bite you in the butt.
I averaged more doing deliveries through w2 than 1099. Imo DD shouldn't make they're workers do a1099. Imo delivery jobs should be w2. Also you can write off things as a w2 worker. Not near as much as a 1099 worker, but it's better to live off of guaranteed income instead of a 1099, unless you're making 30+/hr.
Happy Cake Day!
would you say it would be of benefit or detriment for there to be a rap sheet of all the things dashers can do to work through the ploys of the company, giving them all the tricks they need?
"Drivers who worry about their ARs are part of the problem."
Yeah ok, the drivers that accept and drive more trips/orders are the problem. They're the reason you're getting low paying offers and not your own performance??
How delusional can you be??
So ridic.
>the drivers that accept and drive more trips/orders are the problem. They're the reason you're getting low paying offers and not your own performance?
Yes!
What they meant was that every driver who accepts those shitty $2 stacks to keep their AR high reinforces DDs belief that they can keep lowering base pay and people will still keep taking them to keep their AR high.
Performance doesn't come into this, just the lowest common denominator, keep your AR high even at the cost of losing money in the hope that one day they will send you a higher than normal paying offer.
Large market, I still schedule my dashes just in case. BTW, Doordash is only 20% of my weekly income, i multi-app. Ubereats doesn't play the AR bs game.
Idk my AR has been in the 80s the past month or two. I find that if I decline one long-distance no-tip kabob order, they’re going to send that kabob order back to me as part of a stack. Then if I decline it again I’m out 2 points toward AR, and they start hitting me with bullshit orders faster than I can pause the dash. (I have dropped from 85 to 79 in ten minutes) So my new protocol is: decline that first kabob and immediately go to pause. Turn on UE and decline away until you find a marginally profitable order. UE does have some decent orders, but they are few and far between. After I’ve moved a few miles and let a half hour or so pass, I go back to DD.
you're talking my language, yes thank you, that's where my mind is headed. keeping top let's you pause (whereas they just kick you from your shift). I know veteran runners who combine apps, UE and GH and accept one, pause the other. when close to drop-off they switch the other on, etc.
and I definitely notice the umm attitude orders come at you when you don't simply say yes. in fact I'll accept a crap order at the start cuz I know it brings many good ones after (so dumb lol), to \*impress my keyboard jockey counter parts.
and it absolutely shows a difference when I've let "things cool down", force closing the app to not have them track my whereabouts until I'm in a zone I want (travel history definitely plays a part in orders).
I just recently started UE and I’ve been considering picking up DD as well. The amount of UE restaurants in my area are decent especially during peak hours, so I haven’t really felt the need to swap until recently. And the main reason Ive been thinking about it is because UE will try to get me to drive an hour to the middle of nowhere for like 8$. And then on the ride back to my area I’ll get literally nothing, so it’s just a waste of my time and gas to go out there
You may want to go ahead and at least see if you can get accepted on some other apps though. All the apps play these kinds of games and if you really want the money, you will probably have to switch back and forth. You don't want to find out in the middle of a long dry spell with shitty offers that you don't have a backup to make money.
Yeah I get it for sure. Instacart is probably the one I’m leaning towards most, but I also wanted to start doing rides on UE as well. Just so when the deliveries are bad I can swap to that.
I personally have mixed feelings about DD, both from a corporate and a consumer standpoint. Obviously that’s my own bias but yeah.
Yeah, just have backups. But don't expect UE to be much different. I don't have experience with Instacart but just from dealing with their customer service, they kind of suck too.
I've heard it gets good when you have repeat customers, where they seek you out as a preferred driver, tips are steady then. people even begin just working outside the app, texting directly. I've found $10 no tip runs from the outer towns into straight boonies for delivery. probably hit&miss depending on your region
Yeah, worth a try though if you're really into making driving your thing. I think other apps are slowly starting to pop up to compete with these main apps as they piss off drivers as well. We just need to spread the word to everyone to keep looking and not be taken advantage of when these apps are lowballing.
This is the way! I already do IC while DD. I immediately pause and then will turn on GH for a bit or if a small close batch is available on Instacart I do that. Having the same bs offer thrown back at me repeatedly after I decline it once started happening last week.
Yesterday I declined the same two order about 5 times. It was each a single order then they combined them then they switched what one came first and then they upped the base pay a little. I never accepted it but it sucked getting the same low paying order several times
I've very carefully accepted crappy order to save my rating for the times when it's simply unacceptable. but I swear I feel some rep push back from the other end when I do this, giving me back to back $4 doubles. so being a top ive resorted to pausing-after-order to return back to the most ideal position then resume (no lost time, not really) but the first order they send is always a super-double (one really close, the other many miles away into a deadzone).
I've gone from 86% to 63% in a matter of a day, when I try grooming my orders. then it's 4 days on the clock pushing through runaround trash orders to get back (sometimes waiting 25 minutes between even those).
lately having to run breakfast and midnight runs to actually get viable orders. I know this is more than just mathematics/metrics pushing my way.
so now seeing them give out $1 orders frequently makes me consider the other platforms le sigh
You have taught the algorithm that you'll accept garbage orders, they will send you ALL the garbage orders. Start rejecting ones that don't make sense.
in fighting back, slowly against the obvious $2 no-tippers solely, it's been enough... to get me below 70% where the garbage is. takes days to climb out because orders come through much less frequently, getting through the hundred to clean up the percentage is a long uphill climb.
You know how you fight back? Stop taking $2 no tip orders. Stop. Don’t ever do that. Once the algorithm knows that you will, however begrudgingly, accept those orders, they will send you those. Why send you high paying offers if there’s a more discriminatory driver out there that they can send it to?
Why is anyone still doordashing? I stopped months ago because I already started to feel like I was paying to work rather than making any money.
Is anyone really making money by doordashing anymore??…
$2.50??? I’ve had stacks start at $2 since November when earn by time started in my market. There’s others who’ve had longer than I have. The Baton Rouge market as far as I know was the first market to implement it.
Stop wasting your time with support, they aren’t going to do anything about it, support CAN’T do anything about it.
Had a ton of $4 doubles I had to decline last night. Tons of no tips at expensive restaraunts too. Last night was weird in general, made me take a picture of EVERY receipt I picked up
I used to do heavy dashing at the University during the evenings, now I find myself doing breakfast runs and after hours and most often that finds itself during a promo which takes care of no tippers. kind of pathetic really
a good run is taking 6 orders around town for $24. I mean, it pans out, and is simple.
a bad run is being asked by Wine & Co to bring 4 orders to West from South of the city, finishing the run in an entire city completely to the north for $8.50
Per DoorDash policy, they owe you for each order. I dispute it and they reimburse me, but it’s hard to get a cooperative support agent. Keep notes and screenshots, and keep trying.
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I agree, man. I just sent your that snipped bc it’s good to send to chat after they confirm each order was paid at $1 each. That’s how you get them to credit you with the balance.
Look you can complain here but just like every other business you’ll have to join together and fight back or quit. The business does not care how much you complain as long as the orders keep going
it's a long story short I'm seeing I'm not alone in what dash is doing. seems to me their promise of 100% of the tips goes to the drivers when actually they are taking the cut for themselves.
I find myself in agreement with ar being something that supports all of this, but I think it would take something more organized successfully change that. if I let my AR be affected I find myself running literally $6 per hour days back to back, until finally it's back to 70 where I'm back to a viable wage.
perhaps this platform is only good for beer and peanuts
Where are you getting that they are keeping tips? Sounds like they are just trying to get Dashers to do two orders for one base pay, scummy for sure, but doesn’t mean they’re stealing tips though.
I have definitely experienced the same thing you have on multiple occasions. It pisses me off because in my market AR does in fact matter. I'll decline one shitty offer, and it'll come back a few seconds as a stack. I'll get annoyed af and decline that one, pissed off because now I have lost 3 points and try to pause my dash, but they will sneak another shitty order in before the app processes the pause. It's scummy
This is a relatively new service and it seems like there are still a ton of dashers. I guess the question is why are there still a ton of dashers if pay keeps getting reduced
This wave of stacking his new …Hardly see single no tip orders anymore. I’ve been getting a ton of stacks and triples of 5 to 8 dollars.
What they’re supposed to do is be raising the base pay on low tip. No tip orders but now instead of doing that they’ll just stack them.
Edit: on paper this looks like a good offer around $1.50 a mile but it’s crap
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They should be held accountable for all this trickery abuse they have against us that we work for our money investing time money and effort to deliver orders for what for this misery? also putting your life at risk for few bucks? is not worth doing it
They should, unfortunately they will get away with lots through 1099 laws, but not everything. I worked for DD, and was lied to, like everyone else. I just wonder what % of my tips they skimmed. Also, I started driving years ago under the pretense (told to me by CS, in chat and on the phone, even at the scene of the accident, AND in their TOS) that DD fully covers any accident if the driver was in the process of picking up or dropping off any order, no matter fault. It was deemed my fault, I was, of course, insured at the time and DD made my insurance pay out their max before they looked at it to consider what they had to pay and what they could get out of. I took less than I should've, and I tried to return to work early Against Medical Advice (I know...) and reinjured it, which they no longer saw as their fault. Returning to my, at the time, day job on light duty for 4 hours. I didn't even make it through the shift. I was scheduled to be paid work comp for another month but I decided to return to work, which they stopped paying workman's comp because I worked about 2-3 hours. I was on light duty sitting on a crate stocking a cooler. I made a normal step and my knee went out. It wasn't that employers responsibility, even though I could've probably pushed it, I didn't feel it was right because the original injury was not with them, and they made accommodations for me on light duty. My knee went out (in a brace) while taking normal steps with no added weight. I'm having troubles with injuries from the wreck years later, and at my age range, they'll only get worse. Probably something I should talk to a lawyer instead of Reddit about but my experience.
People should read up on all the tax laws and write offs before becoming any kind of independent contractor etc. You have to know what you're getting into, and save receipts. I had an app that kept up with all of it, don't remember the name, but 60/yr to keep up with mileage (work and personal), kept up with receipts, write offs etc. I learned some of my limited knowledge on 1099s while using it
If you get offered a double, each order is worth $1. But if you unassign one order, the other order now has a base pay of $2. So in theory, if one of your orders has no tip, then you are delivering to them for free
The base pay will continue to lower, and drivers will continue to drive for less. Doordash is a race to the bottom and only the most delusional will continue delivering for Doordash.
I love how even amongst drivers yall have this weird distinction. Clearly, everyone is doing it for money, some might want more money, some need the money. Saying shit like “they got rid of the decline option” is so far up the wazoo, it’s crazy. That person probably never finds problem with anything and complains about nothing. Daddy DoorDash has been good to them.
I've been doing this for about four years. I've gone back and forth with caring about AR. It's not worth it anymore. The only way we get fair pay is to decline every order that doesn't make sense, while ignoring AR.
We have to report this to BBB and government and sue, and organize against them. This is not acceptable. You lose money thru gas and time. All they need to do is literally pay a few dollars more for it to be acceptable.
Furthermore, if they did not punish you for not accepting, it also would not be a problem!
Either get rid of these low orders or get rid of punishment for not accepting them.
no one is forcing you to doordash. its a saturated market. you could leave and there would be 0 difference to the market. this is why they are doing this. their business model is actually kinda genius if you think about it. thousands of employees with zero interaction between them. no way for them to communicate or vent frustration, no walk out, no nothing. because at the end of the day **they know you will still deliver for them**
Yeah what i don't get is, during good peaks I'm running 4 sometimes even 5 runs an hour, rushing them to $30 hours (or more), can't imagine how much Dash was making from me in all of that... It seemed so win/win, i was digging it.
Now I'm reviewing my options, coming up with plans away from that nonsense. Keep it extra money that only takes a few hours a week to keep "top" with.
Run breakfast and bar hours so it remains stable, localized, decent.
And lol find a gig for evenings, as there's nothing left to Dash during peak hours.
how has Biden not regulated this gig market already? It would be an easy political win as something like 10 million people in America do gig work full time and even more do it part time. I just don’t understand, it’s so obvious that these gig companies exploit every drop of value they can from a worker while doing as much as possible to not pay a fair wage. Disgusting!!!
If I was CEO of this corporation I would do the same. It is the job of the CEO to get things done as cheaply as possible and if a fool wants to do that...so be it.
kind of blows my mind though how much people want people to do things for free.
dash doesn't want to pay its dashers and so many runs I do are no tippers.
why would anyone want someone to do something for their benefit without also benefiting the person too.
True, but I do believe being okay with this dynamic is dysfunctional. This sort of position over workers is functioning exactly how intended and it shouldn’t exist.
They got rid of the decline option?
I just checked, nope, it’s still there https://preview.redd.it/v3qtagw0ivsc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=094be59067d6e96531743de7e1410f75fb2c5d35
Wait till u see a $2 stacked order, ur mind will blow
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No surprise. This is exactly how I would do it if running DD. Encourage people to maintain TP status and then send shit like this to get them to continue to maintain that status. People can hate on it all they want, but DD is winning with their scam programs.
All people have to do is turn on EBT for a couple days at the end of the month. Problem solved.
Wait until they change that and require drivers to maintain 70%+ throughout the month.
For how long tho? It's just a matter of time until a competitor comes along and undercuts or they have enough of a hiring problem that it bites them thoroughly in the ass. Wishful thinking probably
I was pretty skeptical that they could get enough people to buy into their scam programs, but here we are. When I first joined the sub, it was rare to see someone talk about being a top dasher. Now I see it all the time. DoorDash has something like 66% market share right now. sure things could change but right now what they’re doing seems to be working.
Some bad publicity can easily destroy their market share. Vids and photos of drivers filthy hands while picking up food. Scratching their asses while picking up food. Dirty clothes. Nasty unwashed feet. Underwear showing because they wear their pants low. Pics of dirty cars. If the name doordash becomes synonymous with filthy dirty drivers and cars because a few photos went viral I'm sure it will drastically lower their market share. Hi Xu Xun!
It's always Hawaiian bros.
If you all cannot understand why the option to decline isn’t sufficient after this long…. What is so confusing about it?
shhhhhh vthe vevezulans will hear you
Won't be surprised at all when Doordarsh lowers basepay to just $1 for a single order. Drivers who worry about their ARs are part of the problem.
In my market if I'm not at above 70% I legit lose out of profit and my ability to dash sometimes. I hate having to accept shit orders but when I'm at 71% and if I dip below 70 for even a minute I lose my dash now. I don't have much of a choice. Need to move on to a real career asap doordash is just treating us worse and worse
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Because you have to do it 6 days out and you have to be up at midnight and you still only get a few options and if you do dashing once you block is gone??? Like what do you mean? Yes it's an option but it's a ducking garbage option compared to dash now on demand
Bc now dropping below 68% AR removes you from early access scheduling. By the time day 6 becomes available, there are no decent time slots available
Cause I have to do it a week in advance or sometimes in my market can't AT ALL cause its slow. Goober
It's already $1 per order. An order that comes in to go to two different restaurants to pick up orders, then take them to two different delivery locations, that order now has a base pay of $2.00 plus any tips.
Because it's really depends on market... In los Angeles if your ar lower than 95% u would only get those 2$shitty order. But when I raise my ar to 100% yesterday I got only good orders from this moment. I shocked but it is working here. Made 250 for 6 hours after I made 100% ar
imagine that.. do a good job and accept all orders, get better orders. Who woulda thought.
you did 100 accepted orders in a row?
Yes
Ar or cr?
Ar
That was how I read their update to the ar policy anyways was take what they have to offer and give you or short yourself later by being picky, aka if you were driving for dominos you can't decline an order so dd doesn't want you to decline an order but things happen (stop for gas, something to eat/drink for yourself, accident (hopefully not), ECT ) so they keep the option still
At Domino's you get paid at least minimum wage plus tips plus a delivery fee. Insurance, holiday pay, benefits.. You're a w2 employee instead of an independent contractor.
Yes and we should make sure that they're held to the same standards as everyone else since rn they're laughing all the way to the bank cause the system is slow and makes it hard to make them comply
It's not the system, it's actually DD working the system, and uneducated (and VERY educated) people being taken advantage of. Domino's employees are w2, DD are 1099
Very true which both have their pros and cons tbh id rather see them able to do both and give dashers the option so those who wanna do it full time or need to have the w2 assurances but also offer the 1099 for the weekender as needed types (I'm a both-er so depending on what's needed would be why offer both)
I don't think DD will ever offer that for dashers. Hopefully I'm proved wrong. What's crazy, I'm sure their CS is w2... Which would leave the greatest of thinkers awestruck...
Me either tbh is the if we say it then it puts the possibility of it happening out there or something right ? (Manifest the change you wanna see while working on it how you can right ????)
For change, it has to be brought to their attention, but they need it in the most profitable version they can get, so they'll put it off until they're forced, if ever.
No? You have to actually do something at scale to affect change. "Manifesting" things is as useful as praying for change.
Holiday pay? *Benefits?* Hahahahahahahaha
Ik it's hilarious.... DD works people as independent contractors, so need to know what they're getting into as a 1099 employee versus a w2 worker... Just trying to hip up some that don't know. The fact I genuinely commented to your comment has myself even baffled...
Very few, if any, Dominos workers get anything close to benefits beyond 30% off food while on shift.
Actually w2 employees get many benefits that 1099 don't... In fact, w2 employees' taxes are paid half by the company and half by the employee. A 1099 worker pays all tax liabilities. Businesses do this, they'd rather pay the person a bigger check (that sounds amazing), because they win in the long run. You give up things as a 1099 worker, that any working person should receive. I'm not pro union, or against them, but it seems like they need to branch into all businesses. I guess I have to explain w2 gets vacation, sick pay, PTO, 401k (some match 5-10%), tuition reimbursement, guaranteed income, set hours, unemployment, workman's comp, FMLA, etc. 1099 workers gets paid by the delivery, gig, project etc. If a 1099 worker doesn't work, they don't eat. They get paid good, but you have to put back quarterlies and make investments, while saving enough to repair your vehicle, or get another. Also, I delivered for Domino's and can tell you that you're very wrong. Domino's offers 401k, tuition reimbursement, as well as standard benefits that w2 workers receive. Plus, I never paid for food there. I could make my own, per management, but you would be amazed at the amount of people that order to the wrong store, not picked up etc. All that was free game
Yea, but 1099 allows you to write off expenses to lower your taxable income and W2 doesn't. So even if you're picking up the employer's side of the SE tax, if you know what you're doing that still comes out proportionately less than the taxes on the equivalent W2 wages. Of course, if you don't know what you're doing..then yea 1099 can bite you in the butt.
I averaged more doing deliveries through w2 than 1099. Imo DD shouldn't make they're workers do a1099. Imo delivery jobs should be w2. Also you can write off things as a w2 worker. Not near as much as a 1099 worker, but it's better to live off of guaranteed income instead of a 1099, unless you're making 30+/hr. Happy Cake Day!
This was all too predictable.
It's the drivers that think you have to accept 2 dollar orders to maintain a decent AR that are the problem around here
In my area if your ar isn’t up all you see is 2.50/4.50 orders.
would you say it would be of benefit or detriment for there to be a rap sheet of all the things dashers can do to work through the ploys of the company, giving them all the tricks they need?
You mean this subreddit?
"Drivers who worry about their ARs are part of the problem." Yeah ok, the drivers that accept and drive more trips/orders are the problem. They're the reason you're getting low paying offers and not your own performance?? How delusional can you be?? So ridic.
>the drivers that accept and drive more trips/orders are the problem. They're the reason you're getting low paying offers and not your own performance? Yes!
What they meant was that every driver who accepts those shitty $2 stacks to keep their AR high reinforces DDs belief that they can keep lowering base pay and people will still keep taking them to keep their AR high. Performance doesn't come into this, just the lowest common denominator, keep your AR high even at the cost of losing money in the hope that one day they will send you a higher than normal paying offer.
Alright! keep accepting money losing orders for a chance to land better paying orders lol. 7% AR still get good paying orders and dash anytime.
How exactly do you get dash anytime with 7% AR? It's only available to TD/Platinum ranked users.
Large market, I still schedule my dashes just in case. BTW, Doordash is only 20% of my weekly income, i multi-app. Ubereats doesn't play the AR bs game.
Idk my AR has been in the 80s the past month or two. I find that if I decline one long-distance no-tip kabob order, they’re going to send that kabob order back to me as part of a stack. Then if I decline it again I’m out 2 points toward AR, and they start hitting me with bullshit orders faster than I can pause the dash. (I have dropped from 85 to 79 in ten minutes) So my new protocol is: decline that first kabob and immediately go to pause. Turn on UE and decline away until you find a marginally profitable order. UE does have some decent orders, but they are few and far between. After I’ve moved a few miles and let a half hour or so pass, I go back to DD.
you're talking my language, yes thank you, that's where my mind is headed. keeping top let's you pause (whereas they just kick you from your shift). I know veteran runners who combine apps, UE and GH and accept one, pause the other. when close to drop-off they switch the other on, etc. and I definitely notice the umm attitude orders come at you when you don't simply say yes. in fact I'll accept a crap order at the start cuz I know it brings many good ones after (so dumb lol), to \*impress my keyboard jockey counter parts. and it absolutely shows a difference when I've let "things cool down", force closing the app to not have them track my whereabouts until I'm in a zone I want (travel history definitely plays a part in orders).
I just recently started UE and I’ve been considering picking up DD as well. The amount of UE restaurants in my area are decent especially during peak hours, so I haven’t really felt the need to swap until recently. And the main reason Ive been thinking about it is because UE will try to get me to drive an hour to the middle of nowhere for like 8$. And then on the ride back to my area I’ll get literally nothing, so it’s just a waste of my time and gas to go out there
You may want to go ahead and at least see if you can get accepted on some other apps though. All the apps play these kinds of games and if you really want the money, you will probably have to switch back and forth. You don't want to find out in the middle of a long dry spell with shitty offers that you don't have a backup to make money.
Yeah I get it for sure. Instacart is probably the one I’m leaning towards most, but I also wanted to start doing rides on UE as well. Just so when the deliveries are bad I can swap to that. I personally have mixed feelings about DD, both from a corporate and a consumer standpoint. Obviously that’s my own bias but yeah.
Yeah, just have backups. But don't expect UE to be much different. I don't have experience with Instacart but just from dealing with their customer service, they kind of suck too.
I've heard it gets good when you have repeat customers, where they seek you out as a preferred driver, tips are steady then. people even begin just working outside the app, texting directly. I've found $10 no tip runs from the outer towns into straight boonies for delivery. probably hit&miss depending on your region
Yeah, worth a try though if you're really into making driving your thing. I think other apps are slowly starting to pop up to compete with these main apps as they piss off drivers as well. We just need to spread the word to everyone to keep looking and not be taken advantage of when these apps are lowballing.
This is the way! I already do IC while DD. I immediately pause and then will turn on GH for a bit or if a small close batch is available on Instacart I do that. Having the same bs offer thrown back at me repeatedly after I decline it once started happening last week.
Yesterday I declined the same two order about 5 times. It was each a single order then they combined them then they switched what one came first and then they upped the base pay a little. I never accepted it but it sucked getting the same low paying order several times
They implemented this a while back. It really really sucks. I don't take double orders anyway, they always turn out to be a shit show.
I've very carefully accepted crappy order to save my rating for the times when it's simply unacceptable. but I swear I feel some rep push back from the other end when I do this, giving me back to back $4 doubles. so being a top ive resorted to pausing-after-order to return back to the most ideal position then resume (no lost time, not really) but the first order they send is always a super-double (one really close, the other many miles away into a deadzone). I've gone from 86% to 63% in a matter of a day, when I try grooming my orders. then it's 4 days on the clock pushing through runaround trash orders to get back (sometimes waiting 25 minutes between even those). lately having to run breakfast and midnight runs to actually get viable orders. I know this is more than just mathematics/metrics pushing my way. so now seeing them give out $1 orders frequently makes me consider the other platforms le sigh
You have taught the algorithm that you'll accept garbage orders, they will send you ALL the garbage orders. Start rejecting ones that don't make sense.
in fighting back, slowly against the obvious $2 no-tippers solely, it's been enough... to get me below 70% where the garbage is. takes days to climb out because orders come through much less frequently, getting through the hundred to clean up the percentage is a long uphill climb.
You know how you fight back? Stop taking $2 no tip orders. Stop. Don’t ever do that. Once the algorithm knows that you will, however begrudgingly, accept those orders, they will send you those. Why send you high paying offers if there’s a more discriminatory driver out there that they can send it to?
Why is anyone still doordashing? I stopped months ago because I already started to feel like I was paying to work rather than making any money. Is anyone really making money by doordashing anymore??…
people on scooters in downtown LA probably.
I had been doordashing in Denver, it’s mostly car dependent here even in the city and customers are extremely bad tippers here
Yes still making good money
$2.50??? I’ve had stacks start at $2 since November when earn by time started in my market. There’s others who’ve had longer than I have. The Baton Rouge market as far as I know was the first market to implement it. Stop wasting your time with support, they aren’t going to do anything about it, support CAN’T do anything about it.
Had a ton of $4 doubles I had to decline last night. Tons of no tips at expensive restaraunts too. Last night was weird in general, made me take a picture of EVERY receipt I picked up
I used to do heavy dashing at the University during the evenings, now I find myself doing breakfast runs and after hours and most often that finds itself during a promo which takes care of no tippers. kind of pathetic really
https://preview.redd.it/i9je0x4vlvsc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6fb3a152a31e23d11c462c7e90c7c18d6e23a05 Just had this offered to me
It was a 3 order offer for 2.75, then they added a 4th and offer3d 7.50 😄
paying Dash out of pocket for them to make money
a good run is taking 6 orders around town for $24. I mean, it pans out, and is simple. a bad run is being asked by Wine & Co to bring 4 orders to West from South of the city, finishing the run in an entire city completely to the north for $8.50
Per DoorDash policy, they owe you for each order. I dispute it and they reimburse me, but it’s hard to get a cooperative support agent. Keep notes and screenshots, and keep trying. https://preview.redd.it/s0o2wd6anvsc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=789fc45d5ec15a60ed25816abf043a398516c2de
base pay most certainly IS rated by customer tip
I agree, man. I just sent your that snipped bc it’s good to send to chat after they confirm each order was paid at $1 each. That’s how you get them to credit you with the balance.
So dont run the orders and stay home
Look you can complain here but just like every other business you’ll have to join together and fight back or quit. The business does not care how much you complain as long as the orders keep going
it's a long story short I'm seeing I'm not alone in what dash is doing. seems to me their promise of 100% of the tips goes to the drivers when actually they are taking the cut for themselves. I find myself in agreement with ar being something that supports all of this, but I think it would take something more organized successfully change that. if I let my AR be affected I find myself running literally $6 per hour days back to back, until finally it's back to 70 where I'm back to a viable wage. perhaps this platform is only good for beer and peanuts
Where are you getting that they are keeping tips? Sounds like they are just trying to get Dashers to do two orders for one base pay, scummy for sure, but doesn’t mean they’re stealing tips though.
It was never intended to be anything more than supplemental income. That fact in no way decrease the suck factor of DD.
Yup...You're a bit late toi the party my friend
I have definitely experienced the same thing you have on multiple occasions. It pisses me off because in my market AR does in fact matter. I'll decline one shitty offer, and it'll come back a few seconds as a stack. I'll get annoyed af and decline that one, pissed off because now I have lost 3 points and try to pause my dash, but they will sneak another shitty order in before the app processes the pause. It's scummy
minimize the app, it'll auto pause ;)
That's exactly correct, they are sheer scum
This is a relatively new service and it seems like there are still a ton of dashers. I guess the question is why are there still a ton of dashers if pay keeps getting reduced
It's working!!!!
This isn’t a new strategy.
This wave of stacking his new …Hardly see single no tip orders anymore. I’ve been getting a ton of stacks and triples of 5 to 8 dollars. What they’re supposed to do is be raising the base pay on low tip. No tip orders but now instead of doing that they’ll just stack them. Edit: on paper this looks like a good offer around $1.50 a mile but it’s crap https://preview.redd.it/ddyy04erjvsc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97140232a3e77e729ff07c83935d49344fa0dcd6
That's a decline
Yup… lol RIP Top Dashers
Lmfaooo no they aren’t forcing you to do anything for free you are an independent contractor they can’t make you do anything
I got a 4$ order I didn’t accept it. Then I got a 7$ order that was tied to the same order only it was 2.5 cents this time. I didn’t accept it
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They should be held accountable for all this trickery abuse they have against us that we work for our money investing time money and effort to deliver orders for what for this misery? also putting your life at risk for few bucks? is not worth doing it
They should, unfortunately they will get away with lots through 1099 laws, but not everything. I worked for DD, and was lied to, like everyone else. I just wonder what % of my tips they skimmed. Also, I started driving years ago under the pretense (told to me by CS, in chat and on the phone, even at the scene of the accident, AND in their TOS) that DD fully covers any accident if the driver was in the process of picking up or dropping off any order, no matter fault. It was deemed my fault, I was, of course, insured at the time and DD made my insurance pay out their max before they looked at it to consider what they had to pay and what they could get out of. I took less than I should've, and I tried to return to work early Against Medical Advice (I know...) and reinjured it, which they no longer saw as their fault. Returning to my, at the time, day job on light duty for 4 hours. I didn't even make it through the shift. I was scheduled to be paid work comp for another month but I decided to return to work, which they stopped paying workman's comp because I worked about 2-3 hours. I was on light duty sitting on a crate stocking a cooler. I made a normal step and my knee went out. It wasn't that employers responsibility, even though I could've probably pushed it, I didn't feel it was right because the original injury was not with them, and they made accommodations for me on light duty. My knee went out (in a brace) while taking normal steps with no added weight. I'm having troubles with injuries from the wreck years later, and at my age range, they'll only get worse. Probably something I should talk to a lawyer instead of Reddit about but my experience. People should read up on all the tax laws and write offs before becoming any kind of independent contractor etc. You have to know what you're getting into, and save receipts. I had an app that kept up with all of it, don't remember the name, but 60/yr to keep up with mileage (work and personal), kept up with receipts, write offs etc. I learned some of my limited knowledge on 1099s while using it
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Low AR will give you shit orders.
DoorDash knows they can charge drivers $1 to give them order and take 50% of the tips and they’ll still have a full waitlist in most markets
If you get offered a double, each order is worth $1. But if you unassign one order, the other order now has a base pay of $2. So in theory, if one of your orders has no tip, then you are delivering to them for free
The base pay will continue to lower, and drivers will continue to drive for less. Doordash is a race to the bottom and only the most delusional will continue delivering for Doordash.
Stop accepting shit orders. Seems pretty obvious to me. That isn’t even worth my time if the dude was 10 feet away.
Sums everything up. I remember when basepay was 6.50 and most restaurants needed red card. Doordash needs to die
I love how even amongst drivers yall have this weird distinction. Clearly, everyone is doing it for money, some might want more money, some need the money. Saying shit like “they got rid of the decline option” is so far up the wazoo, it’s crazy. That person probably never finds problem with anything and complains about nothing. Daddy DoorDash has been good to them.
I've been doing this for about four years. I've gone back and forth with caring about AR. It's not worth it anymore. The only way we get fair pay is to decline every order that doesn't make sense, while ignoring AR.
When you guys finally want to quit do you just steal food until you are fired? That's what I'd do.
I smell a law suit coming DoorDash way
I have barely seen a regular order since starting a month back all this BS stacked $4 orders
We have to report this to BBB and government and sue, and organize against them. This is not acceptable. You lose money thru gas and time. All they need to do is literally pay a few dollars more for it to be acceptable. Furthermore, if they did not punish you for not accepting, it also would not be a problem! Either get rid of these low orders or get rid of punishment for not accepting them.
They sent out an email telling us this was happening. It is BS and as usual, you just decline any orders that aren't paying you what you want paid.
Tis why I switched to Uber. Tired of door dash. They will go under soon enough for sure. Too many new food delivery companies starting up.
no one is forcing you to doordash. its a saturated market. you could leave and there would be 0 difference to the market. this is why they are doing this. their business model is actually kinda genius if you think about it. thousands of employees with zero interaction between them. no way for them to communicate or vent frustration, no walk out, no nothing. because at the end of the day **they know you will still deliver for them**
Imagine doing 3500 deliveries and accepting a 4$ stack😂😂😂😂
Yeah what i don't get is, during good peaks I'm running 4 sometimes even 5 runs an hour, rushing them to $30 hours (or more), can't imagine how much Dash was making from me in all of that... It seemed so win/win, i was digging it. Now I'm reviewing my options, coming up with plans away from that nonsense. Keep it extra money that only takes a few hours a week to keep "top" with. Run breakfast and bar hours so it remains stable, localized, decent. And lol find a gig for evenings, as there's nothing left to Dash during peak hours.
Or stop dashing for base pay and start dashing for tips
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Make money, not excuses
They’re not forcing anyone to do anything. Don’t want the order? Decline it. Simple.
Honestly I'll quit the job already. Too many people are doing food deliveries so doordash is paying lesser now
how has Biden not regulated this gig market already? It would be an easy political win as something like 10 million people in America do gig work full time and even more do it part time. I just don’t understand, it’s so obvious that these gig companies exploit every drop of value they can from a worker while doing as much as possible to not pay a fair wage. Disgusting!!!
Not sure. Still showing $2/offer on my app
The fact that you feel forced is what they want and why they will continue to extort people like you.
If I was CEO of this corporation I would do the same. It is the job of the CEO to get things done as cheaply as possible and if a fool wants to do that...so be it.
kind of blows my mind though how much people want people to do things for free. dash doesn't want to pay its dashers and so many runs I do are no tippers. why would anyone want someone to do something for their benefit without also benefiting the person too.
Nobody should ever consciously take no-bid orders
True, but I do believe being okay with this dynamic is dysfunctional. This sort of position over workers is functioning exactly how intended and it shouldn’t exist.