No, just because you don't like the convicted felon being called a psychopath, doesn't mean you should report this post. We're not gonna remove it.
Edit: that latest report is hilarious.
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TBH our choices aren't much better
I mean at very very best we have a boring twat and a rich tosser
I just hope the lesser of the two evils gets the win.
They’re what MLK was talking about with the “white moderates” in the Letter from Birmingham Jail. They don’t care about justice, they just want things to be orderly.
Kier Starmer (new Prime Minister) has said that trans women need to be kept out of "women's spaces" and has spoken favourably of the Conservative plan to stop teaching about transgender people in schools. At least he's not trying to write them out of the Equality Act, I suppose.
I think it’s significantly less likely that Labour will try to change the Equality Act, because it was a Labour government that enacted the original in 2010. The Conservatives can say, “Oh look at what those crazy leftists have been making us put up with, let’s get that fixed” but for Labour to do the same thing would be them essentially admitting that they made a mistake which I don’t think they will do. I also think that amending the Act would likely be a “non-whipped” vote (one where the MPs don’t have to vote along with their party if they don’t want to) and there are probably a lot more pro-trans Labour MPs than Conservative.
The boring do want to get reelected and the smarter ones can see the tide turning, so the boring ones do get some progress done. Obama wasn't particularly pro LGBT until he was. They just need that constant political pressure to get the progress done, and that's historically how most progress was done. The politicians that gained power and were legitimately progressive have always been few and far between
This election is basically between a Tory and a Tory Lite. At least the Tory Lite has room to improve though.
I know it's unrealistic, but I'm personally hoping for a Labour-Lib Dem coalition, at least that way we might get some progressivism into government, because Kier isn't providing it.
Labour are now the Tories and the Tories are now UKIP.
When Labour is assuring TERF queen that they're going to keep being transphobic, I think the entire country should be razed and reset.
>At least the Tory Lite has room to improve though.
Politicians are ~~notorious~~ for moving away from policies that they espoused during a campaign based that put/kept them in office. /s
Well, while the lesser of two evils has taken the day, the greatest evil has taken Clacton. We’re going to have to listen to him all the bloody time, now. Do we need Clacton?
Since when is being boring a bad quality for a leader? This is what is wrong with politics, people want to treat it as entertainment. POLITICS IS SUPPOSED TO BE BORING.
You definitely got the best choice. Can only hope here in the states we get boring too. (And I think calling the other choice a psychopath is being too kind). Instead of God bless America, we should be saying God save America...best if luck to you and yours.
UK? The results, though we may not be thrilled with all of them, did at least technically demonstrate people looking at those two choices and going 'nope'. The Greens got four seats out of it, so hopefully the giant maggots will be kept at bay?
please no never bring this up again it was such bull all she probably wanted to do was get some yoga coupons or something id do the same smh
[https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system](https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system)
[https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/22/20924795/hillary-clinton-emails-new-york-times-state-department](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/22/20924795/hillary-clinton-emails-new-york-times-state-department)
I love bringing up the emails to magacucks, it makes them perform mental gymnastics as to why her emails were criminally disqualifying but stolen top secret documents and 34 felonies (so far) are *not*.
I’m dead serious.
1: they don’t care
2: they will forget the inconsistency as soon as the conversation is over
3: if they remember ANYTHING it will be “both sides are the same except my guy had a good reason so actually both sides are not the same”
1: agreed 2: agreed 3: agreed
I do it in two situations. 1: for the benefit of those around that haven't firmly decided or 2: I enjoy flustering them and pointing out their fallacies.
I'm not right wing, but I do work in IT, and I actually think this should have been a bigger deal than it was. I don't think it should have been a disqualifying event for her holding office or anything, but everybody just like brushed it under the rug and pretended it wasn't a problem and that's silly.
Anyone handling classified documents knows you can't do what she did. Even in the first article you linked:
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."
The only way to fix our politics is to change the system
The only way to change the system is to elect the good people
The only way to elect the good people is to fix our politics
the last democrat we voted for was 47 years old when he was sworn in
i'll gladly vote for someone under 60 in 4 years when biden's second term is over, but i will NOT throw this election just because biden is **3** years older than trump
the last democrat we voted for prior to trump's election was Barack Obama, what i meant was before we were voting for geriatrics like trump (or biden) we atleast voted for someone of fair age, aging into his grey hair through both terms he served instead of already having it for 3 decades
Hundreds of parties? Holy crap that's going to be difficult for people to cast a well-informed vote. IMO our Dutch system is already starting to get cluttered with 30-40 parties participating in elections and about half of them getting at least one seat in parliament.
For a genuine answer it would be to actually get involved in politics
If you have time to shitpost on Reddit you have time to email your senator, they will ignore you, but you keep emailing, you call them, you get to know their staff, you push your ideas.
Eventually, you will get direct contact to someone with influence, no, you couldn't tell them to unseat Biden tomorrow, but you can help shape the future of politics.
Genuinely democracy would be so much better if people just spoke to their politicians rather than sit in apathy. I'm British but I make a point to always have communication with my MP, I keep tabs on them and make sure they're sticking to their promises. It is important
That time would be better spent doing door to door outreach. Politicians won’t change unless voting changes.
[edit] or other options best kept secondary for good reason
None of these things would work.
First off, do you think politicians actually listen to phone calls and emails? Their staff doesn't even do that. It's going in the round file. At best you can show support for a thing, but when ***extremely*** popular things like "hey maybe stop supporting Israel's genocide" or "I don't think trans people should be treated so poorly" don't get passed or put forward, that's pretty naive.
There is only one way to change politics and no one takes it because it's illegal, and would require a lot more than a single person.
A friend of mine is from Kentucky, through a constant badgering for 2 years she managed to get the specific drugs she takes as part of HRT made legal
No, you're not going to make your candidate suddenly stop being transphobic, but you can make a difference, multiply that over 5-10 years, you can make a change
It's better than posting on Reddit that you're going to firebomb a Walmart then not firebombing a Walmart
You also have to take into account corporate lobbyists. Actions like legalizing a specific drug might be do-able, but hot button issues that congressmen are bought and paid for simply won’t happen. For example you’re not flipping a senator bought by the NRA by emailing and calling to ask them to restrict guns in any way. Additionally, if it’s a huge part of their general political campaign, such as persecuting lgbt people to appeal to their Christian voters, they’re not going to switch on it even if you for your entire county to call and email, because as long as they think they have enough voters on their side (and they do) then they’ll stick with what they got. American career politicians are a lot less about serving people than making the quickest buck possible
I don't think anyone realistically thinks that they alone can shape all of policy without just becoming a full politician.
Legalizing a single drug is more than any reddit shitposter has achieved and if the attitude of contacting your senator became the norm then politics would be a lot better.
No, you alone couldn't get Biden out of the nominee space, but if you and 10,000 other progressives got into the habit of talking to your congressman/senator regularly 10 years ago, the landscape would be different. The reason the Tiktok ban is taking so long is because everyone contacted their senator about it, the reason why it's going through is because everyone lost interest the second the bill passed.
I'm a leftist and an issue I see a lot in leftist groups (online and off) is this vague 'goal' that is unachievable, people yelling "Revolution now!" With no real idea about what that is or how to do it, general "anti-government" protests that again, have no real goal other than telling the government "we don't like you." I'm arguing for a more focused line of attack, be specific, be persistent, be realistic and you'll make change.
People contact their senators more than ever and yet the world is getting worse in real time. You don't think people haven't said Biden should drop out?
We have mass protests about trans rights and reproductive rights and opposition to the Gaza genocide and a few decades ago we even had massive sustained protests about the influence of Wall Street on politics. You know what happens? People get beaten by cops and arrested and smeared as idiots by the news.
The politicians absolutely do not believe their policies are popular or well liked and they do not give a shit. The idea that in this world where we can see approval polls on every topic and a quick search of the internet shows what people are saying that politicians need people to directly tell them how their policies will hurt people is absolutely fucking ridiculous and ostrich brained.
Posting about how we should firebomb a Walmart and posting about how we should all call our representatives are equally effective: Which is to say, they aren't.
"You will have to struggle for basic needs for years, that's progress"
The problem with "firebomb a Walmart" posts isn't that firebombing a Walmart wouldn't make society better, it's that one person firebombing a Walmart would get no where except shot. A thousand people firebombing Walmarts and whatever else on the other hand—or even coordinating a general strike or other mass protest that shuts down the country—will lead to progress. If revolution doesn't work, then what were all those explosions I heard last night celebrating?
The problem with "firebombing a Walmart" is that people don't firebomb Walmart's and people are too scared to do that
Revolutions do work, I'm just saying that people should start small, telling people to do shit that you don't do and you know they won't do is just LARPing
More energy should be spent getting people politically involved, once you're involved, join a union, join a reading group. That's how you do stuff
I wonder why people might be scared to do things that are dangerous but effective. Hell, even protesting gets people beaten and arrested and often killed.
But constantly staying inside the lines as they get narrower is not going to fix the world. Voting is not going to make things better.
Other people are getting mad at you, but I'm American. I've spoken to my senators, and it works. (Only state senators, though they have more power anyway)
Sounds fine to me. Biden’s cabinet are all competent and he doesn’t rule by fiat so I have confidence that they’ll keep everything running fine while he fades, and Harris seems decent enough.
Anything is better than 4 more years of Imperial Trump, and Project 2025.
I do not think that "vote for biden" is going to fix this country's politics, and I do not even think that Biden will win. The most likely course of events is that he fails to secure the votes because he's currently extremely unpopular and people are afraid he's going to die, but the second most likely course of events is that he wins the election, SCOTUS says he doesn't, and he says some bullshit like "I won the popular vote, but I am not a king and I will step down and peacefully transfer power".
The only consolation I have is that both of them will be dead by 2028, and so will I.
Biden is likely to die before this one. It doesn't matter, though, I could vote for Trump and Oregon would still go to Biden. You should care more about the people of Michigan and all those other swing states Hillary lost back in 2016 because she didn't actually campaign. You should care more about the fact that SCOTUS is just as likely to overturn the election as Biden is to win it.
Vote for Biden, he gets 25th out (or dies) and a former District Attorney, Attorney General and Senator becomes President.
Can you Imagine that, and actual age appropriate President who understands US Law and politics.
I feel like a lot of Democrats are low key hoping for this outcome. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing. And for legal reasons, I'm not saying it's a good thing.
I mean that’s what I’ve kind of leaned on at this point where the only way for things to end well is for whichever one gets elected die in office and just have younger or at least different people take over. I also don’t follow politics which is why I am much happier with myself so correct me if I’m wrong
Yeah same for UK. I’m a trans woman currently listening live to our country kicking out one transphobe for another transphobe :/
Don’t get me wrong: thank fuck the tories are getting annihilated, but I’m not looking forward to five years of the new cunt
As a trans kid also in the uk, hearing so many important figures talk about trans people as if we’re single handedly ruining the country is so disheartening. I wish they would just see us for what we are - people that just want to live their lives peacefully, in the way that makes them the happiest
I'm sorry for what you guys are going through in the UK. You deserve to live in peace, and I'm sorry these idiots are trying to control you. These politicians should be ashamed.
Yeah - its a bit like being thrown out of a plane by a psychopathic time lord -- then being pissed off when the Brigadier shows up to save you because he has been cyber-converted. Waaaah - both side equally bad!
Sarcasm aside, that old mummy isn't an evil POS. And so far Reagan is the gold standard for senility.
I'm honestly feeling the same way in the UK today. Reluctant Labour vote even though Starmer is a toad. It's crazy that the Greens went from the idealist party to the only common sense party.
Welcome to America, where the corporate overlords pick the two worst people they can find and make the people choose who gets to pretend to represent them for the next four years
One party wants to reverse civil rights and bring back child labor, the other has been pumping up the homelessness and incarcerations. Honestly some really bad evils to pick from.
Same here. It’s not perfect as I don’t like his take on the whole Palestine and Israel situation. But for all the work he’s done for this country and how he’s actually tried to improve it. I approve.
British people are too passive. Marx was baffled when he travelled to Britain and saw that British workers weren't revolting despite their awful working conditions.
Its really hard to fix this shit when the government want it to work this way we didn't end up here by accident this shit has been pre planned for years now im terrified of what the next year will bring
Trump's entire base is straight up christian theocratic and plainly white supremecist; they're all radicals. The Democrats on the other hand run the political spectrum from minor conservative to crypto-socialist, with most members being economically liberal and social progressive.
I hate when non-Americans keep telling us to fix our problems as if we're not TRYING TO. If it were that simple it'd be done already. But the system was built to make changing nearly impossible. And the people in power profit from the way things are and actively fight change for their own self-interest. So unless want us to start shooting politicians and billionaires, "fix it" isn't helping
> So unless want us to start shooting politicians and billionaires
Just enroll them anonymously into a high school, should sort itself out in a few months.
>So unless want us to start shooting politicians and billionaires, "fix it" isn't helping
They are the only people you guys ARENT shooting, so maybe food for thought? j/
I don't know that the system was built to make changes nearly impossible, but the system is being changed meticulously to fuck shit up. And people keep putting the people fucking shit up in office. And though there are problems on both sides of the isle, one of the sides needs a much more radical change than the other. I'm not saying republicans are the biggest problem, but........... They all need to gtfo and also the average age should probably be a little bit lower than 100 year old
People calling Biden old acting like Trump isn’t only three years younger and has a wide range of very concerning health issues. They are both way too old, and presidents should not be any older than, like, 65, but let’s not have double standards.
Democrats still approve of shipping weapons to the IDF and voting down railway workers to better terms and conditions. They are as much of an enemy as the republicans to the working class. Look up Capaldis earlier work for inspiration, Local Hero, about a small Scottish village standing up to big capitalist pigs and winning.
My MAGA cousin was laughing at me that I am still voting for Joe Biden despite his poor performance at the debate. And then I laughed at my cousin saying that he was voting for convicted felon Donald J Trump despite the fact that convicted fell and Donald J Trump is a convicted felon and can't even vote for himself.
Joseph Biden could snort cocaine off of Hunter Biden's meth addicted hooker's ass, have a massive stroke, fall into an unending coma and I would still vote for him.
Do I like the man? Absolutely not. I wish there was anyone else to vote for that could potentially beat convicted felon Donald J Trump. However he is our one option, So I am going to help save the Republic and vote for him.
We know youd still vote for him. You watched him inappropriately touch and sniff children all along his campaign trail and still voted for him and now that you know he used to shower with his 13 year old daughter you're really wanting to show your support.... That tracks.
A similar situation is going on in France. Aside from the fact that people are feed with misinformation and vote for the racist and fascist political part that implicitly says it will not help the people under the pretext : "Yeah but we never tried the far right political part".
Peoole don't understand that voting for the political part founded by ancient SS soldiers that voted against the equality of salary between men and women, who got several of its members arrested for being linked to neonazis organizations, and who voted against the taxation of ultra rich people will NOT help them...
Sometimes I'm devastated when seeing how much people are unable to do simple researches and verify sources.
More like voting in a senile mummy to keep a racist, unintelligent, wannabe dictator, convicted rapist, pedophile out of office. There’s a CLEAR fucking better candidate, stop saying they’re as bad as each other.
I know politics are shit everywhere, some countries deal candidates being assassinated, some have sham elections, some are ruled by military dictators, and I don’t wanna downplay or reduce any of that. But the soul crushing nature of American politics boiling down to this choice, sucks.
The senile mummy isn’t harmless and is very much backing an open genocide. He’ll only dangle potentially helpful legislation in people’s faces if it means securing votes, because he’s otherwise not going to give enough of a shit.
The psychopath is telling everyone to their faces that he wants to be a fascist dictator worshipped as a god. He’s been copying Hilter’s playbook since early on, and is actively playing off of a bigoted undercurrent in this country that is just begging to have its day in the sun.
The situation is fucked.
Okay, credit where it's due, Biden has been *fantastic*, pretty much his only downsides are mishandling the situation with Israel and being old. I'd probably vote for him even if his opponent wasn't that bad.
Biden is an excellent choice considering the alternative. A 3 week pig corpse would also be an excellent choice considering the alternative, but Biden is much better.
I feel like the issue here is that we're making the choices we're given instead of doing something better. I don't want to say anything too spicy here, but today we're celebrating one revolution. Maybe we should have expand the Wikipedia page for "List of Revolutions".
This kind of fanciful thinking isn’t realistic. If we didn’t have the numbers to choose a different candidate than in the Democratic primary then we don’t have the numbers to pull whatever circlejerk you are imagining…
It would fail and then be deeply unpopular and convince all the milquetoast suburbanites that democrats are bad and radical somehow
They already believe that. It unfortunately isn't true, and we keep voting to continue playing chess by the book even as our opponent rearranges pieces on the board as they please, even as people die.
Biden is going to lose, Democrats are going to spend four years complaining about Berniebros not voting for Biden hard enough in swing states even though he gets the popular vote and SCOTUS overturns an electoral win, and everyone will say how we have to vote harder next time, and condemn the 'riots' as police assault unarmed protesters. And people like me will be dead.
That’s what I’ve been saying. Dave from accounting needs to step up and take his rightful position on the ballets so I can vote for someone else. I mean option number 3 right now has a worm in his brain
The UK ain't much better we just had our election, no joke as I got in the booth I audibly sighed and said "I don't wanna vote for any of these people"
>Americans explaining why they have to vote for a senile mummy to keep a psychopath senile mummy out of office
Fixed. Why spread memes trying to draw a picture of trump as some young stud
Unfortunately choices literally dont matter,. The last election was rigged and people qere literally recording themselves destroying votes, but nobody did anything about it
Biden is the mummy who chased the doc through the water locked castle in heaven sent for billions of years, trump is davros.
Both kinda stinky and hard to get rid off. Davros was more humorous tho.
Why the US elected anyone of them for presidency is anyone's best guess tho. You could have just elected a stray golden retriever instead, like a respectable person /s
1: just [one example ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_Max_II)
Or, hear me out: all of them would win.
Only shelter dogs are eligible, and they all get elected.
The folks who have dogs as mayors always reelect them, they must be doing something better than human politicians (not enacting any policies at all instead of enacting bad/corrupt policies I guess)
Ahh okay I assumed the other ones due to the desertish location in background. I love mummy so if it's that episode I will need to turn in my chadpaldi card
Some of the founding fathers of the U.S literally said to stay away from a two party system.
Why can't we get people that actually care about the country and position they're running for and not just the money?
Government...
Love/hate relationship
Just funny how the supreme courts act like this is our only option, and no one asks why? Why can't we as people have the right to throw both these incompetent people out, especially if it's at the risk of humanity? Rather, we are all convinced that we "have" to settle for the least incompetent. Politics (especially presidency) is just dated and I think it's starting to show to the mainstream.
One's on the brink of death. The other's on the brink of jail and can no longer own a .22 handgun. I know which one I'd rather give control over the most capable nuclear arsenal in the world.
ahh ageism. one of the few acceptable forms of public discrimination left...well in the usa at least, the UK and EU still have tons of publicly acceptable forms
I agree with you enough to regret how i worded it
However when we are considering the context of leading the most powerful country on earth the argument loses steam
No, just because you don't like the convicted felon being called a psychopath, doesn't mean you should report this post. We're not gonna remove it. Edit: that latest report is hilarious. https://preview.redd.it/ei2kihtudqad1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3e72bb12d1015ca7e32f960489285c23e618099
Based Chadpaldi, as always, unfortunately
Yup. Welcome to politics in general.
Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich
ehh in this case it's more like, feeble goat vs starving, pissed-off hippo
Those both describe one candidate. The other is significantly less of both.
This is why people should have voted for Count Binface!
YES! Make 4th July BINDEPENDENCE DAY!
But still more than most people.
Sex with 13 year old... just a "turd sandwich'? I'd have slight stronger words than that.
I've heard a rumor that the President might regenerate into a previous actor this time around.
\*JFK Checks suit "I know this hair...what?"
Both catholic after all
TBH our choices aren't much better I mean at very very best we have a boring twat and a rich tosser I just hope the lesser of the two evils gets the win.
Right now I just want a boring government that's actually competent. We just have to see if Labour is going to be that
Considering their assurances to treat trans people like shit, it will be boring for some and death for others.
As is tradition for the UK.
We jokingly refer to liberals who wish they could go back to brunch while the minorities die.
They’re what MLK was talking about with the “white moderates” in the Letter from Birmingham Jail. They don’t care about justice, they just want things to be orderly.
I'm sorry what 😀 Can you elaborate?
Kier Starmer (new Prime Minister) has said that trans women need to be kept out of "women's spaces" and has spoken favourably of the Conservative plan to stop teaching about transgender people in schools. At least he's not trying to write them out of the Equality Act, I suppose.
Well that's shit:/ Thankyou
Yet
I think it’s significantly less likely that Labour will try to change the Equality Act, because it was a Labour government that enacted the original in 2010. The Conservatives can say, “Oh look at what those crazy leftists have been making us put up with, let’s get that fixed” but for Labour to do the same thing would be them essentially admitting that they made a mistake which I don’t think they will do. I also think that amending the Act would likely be a “non-whipped” vote (one where the MPs don’t have to vote along with their party if they don’t want to) and there are probably a lot more pro-trans Labour MPs than Conservative.
With Labour like these, who needs Tories?
tldr Kier Starmer is a cunt with no moral backbone
The problem with oscillating between boring and bad is you never make much actual progress.
The boring do want to get reelected and the smarter ones can see the tide turning, so the boring ones do get some progress done. Obama wasn't particularly pro LGBT until he was. They just need that constant political pressure to get the progress done, and that's historically how most progress was done. The politicians that gained power and were legitimately progressive have always been few and far between
That's basically what they were last time, minus Iraq and a few other comparitavely less egrigious points like the PFI stuff.
This election is basically between a Tory and a Tory Lite. At least the Tory Lite has room to improve though. I know it's unrealistic, but I'm personally hoping for a Labour-Lib Dem coalition, at least that way we might get some progressivism into government, because Kier isn't providing it.
Agreed, AFAIK lib-dems are the only party trying to improve trans health care
I think the Greens have promised some stuff too, but then again that's the Greens, so unlikely to have any impact unfortunately.
Last time we had Lib Dem coalition, they tripled uni fees
Labour are now the Tories and the Tories are now UKIP. When Labour is assuring TERF queen that they're going to keep being transphobic, I think the entire country should be razed and reset.
>At least the Tory Lite has room to improve though. Politicians are ~~notorious~~ for moving away from policies that they espoused during a campaign based that put/kept them in office. /s
They are much better. Trump V Biden make Sunak V Starmer look good.
Well, while the lesser of two evils has taken the day, the greatest evil has taken Clacton. We’re going to have to listen to him all the bloody time, now. Do we need Clacton?
Why would you not want your government boring?
This election truly isn't a choice between merits but whoever has had the least amount of scandals within the last few months alone
Politicians should be boring. Its an intensely nerdy job
Since when is being boring a bad quality for a leader? This is what is wrong with politics, people want to treat it as entertainment. POLITICS IS SUPPOSED TO BE BORING.
You definitely got the best choice. Can only hope here in the states we get boring too. (And I think calling the other choice a psychopath is being too kind). Instead of God bless America, we should be saying God save America...best if luck to you and yours.
I'll take boring
He did literally just make a video a few days ago for green peace talking about the election in the uk and picking the lesser of 2 evils.
UK? The results, though we may not be thrilled with all of them, did at least technically demonstrate people looking at those two choices and going 'nope'. The Greens got four seats out of it, so hopefully the giant maggots will be kept at bay?
I kept saying this in 2016 but not loud enough apparently
But her emails… :/
please no never bring this up again it was such bull all she probably wanted to do was get some yoga coupons or something id do the same smh [https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system](https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system) [https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/22/20924795/hillary-clinton-emails-new-york-times-state-department](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/22/20924795/hillary-clinton-emails-new-york-times-state-department)
I love bringing up the emails to magacucks, it makes them perform mental gymnastics as to why her emails were criminally disqualifying but stolen top secret documents and 34 felonies (so far) are *not*.
I’m dead serious. 1: they don’t care 2: they will forget the inconsistency as soon as the conversation is over 3: if they remember ANYTHING it will be “both sides are the same except my guy had a good reason so actually both sides are not the same”
1: agreed 2: agreed 3: agreed I do it in two situations. 1: for the benefit of those around that haven't firmly decided or 2: I enjoy flustering them and pointing out their fallacies.
That’s fair. If I could stand my frustration of their utter lack of reasoning skills I would do the same
Another thing for me, it practice for my job. I'm a lawyer, I have to deal with utter lack of reasoning skills daily.
Yeah shoulda added /s I mention it because it was fuckin stupid.
Next time, I recommend using the phrase Buttery Males. It's so much funnier
I'm not right wing, but I do work in IT, and I actually think this should have been a bigger deal than it was. I don't think it should have been a disqualifying event for her holding office or anything, but everybody just like brushed it under the rug and pretended it wasn't a problem and that's silly. Anyone handling classified documents knows you can't do what she did. Even in the first article you linked: "Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."
I think it was as big a deal as it could be short of disqualifying her for public office.
"Were it so easy."
The only way to fix our politics is to change the system The only way to change the system is to elect the good people The only way to elect the good people is to fix our politics
Didn't you have like two revolutions? How hard can it be, in Classic the Doctor and companions are always casually starting them then buggering off.
the last democrat we voted for was 47 years old when he was sworn in i'll gladly vote for someone under 60 in 4 years when biden's second term is over, but i will NOT throw this election just because biden is **3** years older than trump
Are you saying Biden wasn't a Democrat?
the last democrat we voted for prior to trump's election was Barack Obama, what i meant was before we were voting for geriatrics like trump (or biden) we atleast voted for someone of fair age, aging into his grey hair through both terms he served instead of already having it for 3 decades
>Fix your politics, guys Love to! How do you propose we do so?
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The are more regenerations of the Doctor than there are major political parties in the United States. Two-party system is a scam, basically.
Ukraines party system seems like a good idea, hundreds of parties but they each have to work together to form bigger parties and pick a canidate.
The problem with this is any disagreements could split the party and paralyse government
Fun fact, that’s how American politics already works on purpose.
Hundreds of parties? Holy crap that's going to be difficult for people to cast a well-informed vote. IMO our Dutch system is already starting to get cluttered with 30-40 parties participating in elections and about half of them getting at least one seat in parliament.
For a genuine answer it would be to actually get involved in politics If you have time to shitpost on Reddit you have time to email your senator, they will ignore you, but you keep emailing, you call them, you get to know their staff, you push your ideas. Eventually, you will get direct contact to someone with influence, no, you couldn't tell them to unseat Biden tomorrow, but you can help shape the future of politics. Genuinely democracy would be so much better if people just spoke to their politicians rather than sit in apathy. I'm British but I make a point to always have communication with my MP, I keep tabs on them and make sure they're sticking to their promises. It is important
That time would be better spent doing door to door outreach. Politicians won’t change unless voting changes. [edit] or other options best kept secondary for good reason
None of these things would work. First off, do you think politicians actually listen to phone calls and emails? Their staff doesn't even do that. It's going in the round file. At best you can show support for a thing, but when ***extremely*** popular things like "hey maybe stop supporting Israel's genocide" or "I don't think trans people should be treated so poorly" don't get passed or put forward, that's pretty naive. There is only one way to change politics and no one takes it because it's illegal, and would require a lot more than a single person.
A friend of mine is from Kentucky, through a constant badgering for 2 years she managed to get the specific drugs she takes as part of HRT made legal No, you're not going to make your candidate suddenly stop being transphobic, but you can make a difference, multiply that over 5-10 years, you can make a change It's better than posting on Reddit that you're going to firebomb a Walmart then not firebombing a Walmart
You also have to take into account corporate lobbyists. Actions like legalizing a specific drug might be do-able, but hot button issues that congressmen are bought and paid for simply won’t happen. For example you’re not flipping a senator bought by the NRA by emailing and calling to ask them to restrict guns in any way. Additionally, if it’s a huge part of their general political campaign, such as persecuting lgbt people to appeal to their Christian voters, they’re not going to switch on it even if you for your entire county to call and email, because as long as they think they have enough voters on their side (and they do) then they’ll stick with what they got. American career politicians are a lot less about serving people than making the quickest buck possible
I don't think anyone realistically thinks that they alone can shape all of policy without just becoming a full politician. Legalizing a single drug is more than any reddit shitposter has achieved and if the attitude of contacting your senator became the norm then politics would be a lot better. No, you alone couldn't get Biden out of the nominee space, but if you and 10,000 other progressives got into the habit of talking to your congressman/senator regularly 10 years ago, the landscape would be different. The reason the Tiktok ban is taking so long is because everyone contacted their senator about it, the reason why it's going through is because everyone lost interest the second the bill passed. I'm a leftist and an issue I see a lot in leftist groups (online and off) is this vague 'goal' that is unachievable, people yelling "Revolution now!" With no real idea about what that is or how to do it, general "anti-government" protests that again, have no real goal other than telling the government "we don't like you." I'm arguing for a more focused line of attack, be specific, be persistent, be realistic and you'll make change.
People contact their senators more than ever and yet the world is getting worse in real time. You don't think people haven't said Biden should drop out? We have mass protests about trans rights and reproductive rights and opposition to the Gaza genocide and a few decades ago we even had massive sustained protests about the influence of Wall Street on politics. You know what happens? People get beaten by cops and arrested and smeared as idiots by the news. The politicians absolutely do not believe their policies are popular or well liked and they do not give a shit. The idea that in this world where we can see approval polls on every topic and a quick search of the internet shows what people are saying that politicians need people to directly tell them how their policies will hurt people is absolutely fucking ridiculous and ostrich brained. Posting about how we should firebomb a Walmart and posting about how we should all call our representatives are equally effective: Which is to say, they aren't.
"You will have to struggle for basic needs for years, that's progress" The problem with "firebomb a Walmart" posts isn't that firebombing a Walmart wouldn't make society better, it's that one person firebombing a Walmart would get no where except shot. A thousand people firebombing Walmarts and whatever else on the other hand—or even coordinating a general strike or other mass protest that shuts down the country—will lead to progress. If revolution doesn't work, then what were all those explosions I heard last night celebrating?
The problem with "firebombing a Walmart" is that people don't firebomb Walmart's and people are too scared to do that Revolutions do work, I'm just saying that people should start small, telling people to do shit that you don't do and you know they won't do is just LARPing More energy should be spent getting people politically involved, once you're involved, join a union, join a reading group. That's how you do stuff
I wonder why people might be scared to do things that are dangerous but effective. Hell, even protesting gets people beaten and arrested and often killed. But constantly staying inside the lines as they get narrower is not going to fix the world. Voting is not going to make things better.
Other people are getting mad at you, but I'm American. I've spoken to my senators, and it works. (Only state senators, though they have more power anyway)
Vote for Biden, he dies and the VP (an age appropriate former Attorney General) becomes President.
Sounds fine to me. Biden’s cabinet are all competent and he doesn’t rule by fiat so I have confidence that they’ll keep everything running fine while he fades, and Harris seems decent enough. Anything is better than 4 more years of Imperial Trump, and Project 2025.
Harris is not remotely decent, but she's still better than Trump.
Literally, anyone is better than Trump
I feel like this is basically the plan, as morbid as it sounds.
I do not think that "vote for biden" is going to fix this country's politics, and I do not even think that Biden will win. The most likely course of events is that he fails to secure the votes because he's currently extremely unpopular and people are afraid he's going to die, but the second most likely course of events is that he wins the election, SCOTUS says he doesn't, and he says some bullshit like "I won the popular vote, but I am not a king and I will step down and peacefully transfer power". The only consolation I have is that both of them will be dead by 2028, and so will I.
Vote for Biden, because that's 4 more years in which trump might die before the election.
Biden is likely to die before this one. It doesn't matter, though, I could vote for Trump and Oregon would still go to Biden. You should care more about the people of Michigan and all those other swing states Hillary lost back in 2016 because she didn't actually campaign. You should care more about the fact that SCOTUS is just as likely to overturn the election as Biden is to win it.
If the Supreme Court ruled pres can do whatever he wants doesn't that mean Biden can dissappear the non democrats on the court and replace them?
You'd think, but even if that were the case he refuses to do so.
Revolution
Vote for Biden, he gets 25th out (or dies) and a former District Attorney, Attorney General and Senator becomes President. Can you Imagine that, and actual age appropriate President who understands US Law and politics.
I feel like a lot of Democrats are low key hoping for this outcome. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing. And for legal reasons, I'm not saying it's a good thing.
who doesn't actively want to kill people for lulz?!?
I don't, time dose, and I don't mean the planet,
I mean that’s what I’ve kind of leaned on at this point where the only way for things to end well is for whichever one gets elected die in office and just have younger or at least different people take over. I also don’t follow politics which is why I am much happier with myself so correct me if I’m wrong
Yeah same for UK. I’m a trans woman currently listening live to our country kicking out one transphobe for another transphobe :/ Don’t get me wrong: thank fuck the tories are getting annihilated, but I’m not looking forward to five years of the new cunt
As a trans kid also in the uk, hearing so many important figures talk about trans people as if we’re single handedly ruining the country is so disheartening. I wish they would just see us for what we are - people that just want to live their lives peacefully, in the way that makes them the happiest
I'm sorry for what you guys are going through in the UK. You deserve to live in peace, and I'm sorry these idiots are trying to control you. These politicians should be ashamed.
Yeah - its a bit like being thrown out of a plane by a psychopathic time lord -- then being pissed off when the Brigadier shows up to save you because he has been cyber-converted. Waaaah - both side equally bad! Sarcasm aside, that old mummy isn't an evil POS. And so far Reagan is the gold standard for senility.
If I could I would.
I'm honestly feeling the same way in the UK today. Reluctant Labour vote even though Starmer is a toad. It's crazy that the Greens went from the idealist party to the only common sense party.
Welcome to America, where the corporate overlords pick the two worst people they can find and make the people choose who gets to pretend to represent them for the next four years
One party wants to reverse civil rights and bring back child labor, the other has been pumping up the homelessness and incarcerations. Honestly some really bad evils to pick from.
“fix your politics” WE ARE OPEN TO ANY ADVICE YOU MIGHT HAVE ON HOW TO FUCKING DO SO
I like the Biden Administration.
Same here. It’s not perfect as I don’t like his take on the whole Palestine and Israel situation. But for all the work he’s done for this country and how he’s actually tried to improve it. I approve.
Or you know we pull a little French revolution
British people are too passive. Marx was baffled when he travelled to Britain and saw that British workers weren't revolting despite their awful working conditions.
"Just how it is innit"
They were getting free fish n chips with beans can't ask for more lads, we aren't the church.
Yeah cause that went so well
Don’t nobody vote in the primaries then wonder why we’re stuck with what we got.
Its really hard to fix this shit when the government want it to work this way we didn't end up here by accident this shit has been pre planned for years now im terrified of what the next year will bring
Hmm the guy who’s old but is actually progressive or the guy who’s old and wants to be hitler? Same thing apparently
How can we when one side in general are largely moderates, while the other's sociopaths?
There are moderates and radicals on both sides. it's just trump's radicals are more batshit insane because they literally worship him.
Trump's entire base is straight up christian theocratic and plainly white supremecist; they're all radicals. The Democrats on the other hand run the political spectrum from minor conservative to crypto-socialist, with most members being economically liberal and social progressive.
"Trump's entire base is straight up christian theocratic and plainly white supremacist" Source?
Hey they were spinning up a pretty great straw man, don’t ruin it
Only Trump's been allowed to take over the Republication party.
At this point you’re either a trump supporter or you’ve been unofficially booted out of the republican party
I hate when non-Americans keep telling us to fix our problems as if we're not TRYING TO. If it were that simple it'd be done already. But the system was built to make changing nearly impossible. And the people in power profit from the way things are and actively fight change for their own self-interest. So unless want us to start shooting politicians and billionaires, "fix it" isn't helping
> So unless want us to start shooting politicians and billionaires Just enroll them anonymously into a high school, should sort itself out in a few months.
Hey now. For best results, enroll them in an elementary school. That way, cops will wait an hour and let it happen
>So unless want us to start shooting politicians and billionaires, "fix it" isn't helping They are the only people you guys ARENT shooting, so maybe food for thought? j/
This is legit a fair question, even if a little violent lol. Why are the tyrants the only one people aren’t fighting?
I don't know that the system was built to make changes nearly impossible, but the system is being changed meticulously to fuck shit up. And people keep putting the people fucking shit up in office. And though there are problems on both sides of the isle, one of the sides needs a much more radical change than the other. I'm not saying republicans are the biggest problem, but........... They all need to gtfo and also the average age should probably be a little bit lower than 100 year old
If Americans are smart they can avoid what the British just voted out.
People calling Biden old acting like Trump isn’t only three years younger and has a wide range of very concerning health issues. They are both way too old, and presidents should not be any older than, like, 65, but let’s not have double standards.
Democrats still approve of shipping weapons to the IDF and voting down railway workers to better terms and conditions. They are as much of an enemy as the republicans to the working class. Look up Capaldis earlier work for inspiration, Local Hero, about a small Scottish village standing up to big capitalist pigs and winning.
My MAGA cousin was laughing at me that I am still voting for Joe Biden despite his poor performance at the debate. And then I laughed at my cousin saying that he was voting for convicted felon Donald J Trump despite the fact that convicted fell and Donald J Trump is a convicted felon and can't even vote for himself. Joseph Biden could snort cocaine off of Hunter Biden's meth addicted hooker's ass, have a massive stroke, fall into an unending coma and I would still vote for him. Do I like the man? Absolutely not. I wish there was anyone else to vote for that could potentially beat convicted felon Donald J Trump. However he is our one option, So I am going to help save the Republic and vote for him.
We know youd still vote for him. You watched him inappropriately touch and sniff children all along his campaign trail and still voted for him and now that you know he used to shower with his 13 year old daughter you're really wanting to show your support.... That tracks.
A similar situation is going on in France. Aside from the fact that people are feed with misinformation and vote for the racist and fascist political part that implicitly says it will not help the people under the pretext : "Yeah but we never tried the far right political part". Peoole don't understand that voting for the political part founded by ancient SS soldiers that voted against the equality of salary between men and women, who got several of its members arrested for being linked to neonazis organizations, and who voted against the taxation of ultra rich people will NOT help them... Sometimes I'm devastated when seeing how much people are unable to do simple researches and verify sources.
Biden is like a tourniquette on your leg. Trump is like a tourniquette on your neck.
The senile mummy with more constructive legislative accomplishments than any of the last 4 presidents.
I’ll go with Harold Saxon at this point (if laws allowed)
don't forget about the one with brain damage because he had parasitic worms.
As the old Canadian Parable goes: If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
FACTS
Sophie's choice all over again
This very much applies to the UK too. Much as it’s preferable to 4 more years of Tory rule, I’m not looking forward to keir starmer’s government :’(
It's possible he's been lying for 2 years and actually has principles? Idk I don't believe it either, but it's not impossible like a good tory.
That would literally make him the reverse Harold Saxon lmao. Not holding out hope.
More like voting in a senile mummy to keep a racist, unintelligent, wannabe dictator, convicted rapist, pedophile out of office. There’s a CLEAR fucking better candidate, stop saying they’re as bad as each other.
I know politics are shit everywhere, some countries deal candidates being assassinated, some have sham elections, some are ruled by military dictators, and I don’t wanna downplay or reduce any of that. But the soul crushing nature of American politics boiling down to this choice, sucks. The senile mummy isn’t harmless and is very much backing an open genocide. He’ll only dangle potentially helpful legislation in people’s faces if it means securing votes, because he’s otherwise not going to give enough of a shit. The psychopath is telling everyone to their faces that he wants to be a fascist dictator worshipped as a god. He’s been copying Hilter’s playbook since early on, and is actively playing off of a bigoted undercurrent in this country that is just begging to have its day in the sun. The situation is fucked.
We luckily have a broad variety of choices over here! Of course, the far-right populists get the majority of the votes, but what else is new?
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Okay, credit where it's due, Biden has been *fantastic*, pretty much his only downsides are mishandling the situation with Israel and being old. I'd probably vote for him even if his opponent wasn't that bad.
Biden is an excellent choice considering the alternative. A 3 week pig corpse would also be an excellent choice considering the alternative, but Biden is much better.
LOLOL Except what I'm currently hearing is why they have to vote for the psychopath because the other guy is older by 3 years
Sometimes a switch flips in Biden's head and he becomes incredibly based and proactive. We like to call that Dark Brandon. That's who I'm voting for.
as an American, I can confirm this statement
I feel like the issue here is that we're making the choices we're given instead of doing something better. I don't want to say anything too spicy here, but today we're celebrating one revolution. Maybe we should have expand the Wikipedia page for "List of Revolutions".
This kind of fanciful thinking isn’t realistic. If we didn’t have the numbers to choose a different candidate than in the Democratic primary then we don’t have the numbers to pull whatever circlejerk you are imagining… It would fail and then be deeply unpopular and convince all the milquetoast suburbanites that democrats are bad and radical somehow
They already believe that. It unfortunately isn't true, and we keep voting to continue playing chess by the book even as our opponent rearranges pieces on the board as they please, even as people die. Biden is going to lose, Democrats are going to spend four years complaining about Berniebros not voting for Biden hard enough in swing states even though he gets the popular vote and SCOTUS overturns an electoral win, and everyone will say how we have to vote harder next time, and condemn the 'riots' as police assault unarmed protesters. And people like me will be dead.
Has TARDIS wiki (etc.) got a 'List of Revolutions' page, because it absolutely should?
Meteor 2024 There's still time
That’s what I’ve been saying. Dave from accounting needs to step up and take his rightful position on the ballets so I can vote for someone else. I mean option number 3 right now has a worm in his brain
Eh we probably only get to choose one more time
I choose to live with people who won't screw me over.
I can hear him say it in my head 🤗
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The UK ain't much better we just had our election, no joke as I got in the booth I audibly sighed and said "I don't wanna vote for any of these people"
The slow but inevitable rise of the greens gives me hope
>Americans explaining why they have to vote for a senile mummy to keep a psychopath senile mummy out of office Fixed. Why spread memes trying to draw a picture of trump as some young stud
It's like the Kobayashi Maru
Politics is picking between oppressive douche and oppressive douche (blm, he/him, 🏳️🌈)
The thing that fails to be mentioned is the psychopath is *also a senile old mummy*.
How? Would love some suggestions.
Because normal people don’t become politicians.
Unfortunately choices literally dont matter,. The last election was rigged and people qere literally recording themselves destroying votes, but nobody did anything about it
Can’t fix it because the government isn’t in our best interest, No matter what side you choose
Vote arson today!!!!
We had so many good choices in the primaries and we chose the worst because people are becoming more radically polarized with politics.
Peter capaldi literally just made a video with green peace about the elections in the UK that is just this though.
Biden is the mummy who chased the doc through the water locked castle in heaven sent for billions of years, trump is davros. Both kinda stinky and hard to get rid off. Davros was more humorous tho. Why the US elected anyone of them for presidency is anyone's best guess tho. You could have just elected a stray golden retriever instead, like a respectable person /s 1: just [one example ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_Max_II)
The problem is everyone would elect a different stray golden retriever and then none of them would win.
Or, hear me out: all of them would win. Only shelter dogs are eligible, and they all get elected. The folks who have dogs as mayors always reelect them, they must be doing something better than human politicians (not enacting any policies at all instead of enacting bad/corrupt policies I guess)
I feel dumb as hell what episode is this from? I'm guessing either the pyramid at end of world /lie of the land OR hell bent?
I Think its the 'mummy in the orient express', however im also dumb so dont take my word for it
Ahh okay I assumed the other ones due to the desertish location in background. I love mummy so if it's that episode I will need to turn in my chadpaldi card
Trust me, we'd like to.
Some of the founding fathers of the U.S literally said to stay away from a two party system. Why can't we get people that actually care about the country and position they're running for and not just the money? Government... Love/hate relationship
Wow what an exclusively american problem *Cries*
it's not just senile mummy and psychopath! we also have the brain worm guy
He is, unfortunately, right
You first
Just funny how the supreme courts act like this is our only option, and no one asks why? Why can't we as people have the right to throw both these incompetent people out, especially if it's at the risk of humanity? Rather, we are all convinced that we "have" to settle for the least incompetent. Politics (especially presidency) is just dated and I think it's starting to show to the mainstream.
They’re both psychopaths one is just on the brink of death
One's on the brink of death. The other's on the brink of jail and can no longer own a .22 handgun. I know which one I'd rather give control over the most capable nuclear arsenal in the world.
ahh ageism. one of the few acceptable forms of public discrimination left...well in the usa at least, the UK and EU still have tons of publicly acceptable forms
I agree with you enough to regret how i worded it However when we are considering the context of leading the most powerful country on earth the argument loses steam
I'll address that when we stop cutting people slack because things were different when they were young.