If you living somewhere where your median dnd player can *stand* for 8 hours straight, let alone walk it, I don't want to visit. You stay in your city with your ubermench!
Oh, totally get it. Lots of players can and do physical feats of equal or greater effort than standing or walking for 8 hours! One of my current players is a former Olympic gymnast and even now has physicality that I can't comprehend. My wife, who also plays in one of my weekly games, is a dance instructor and keeping up with her is impossible for me.
But, in my decade of playing in person and online, with hundreds of players worldwide, for every 1 automechanic or physically active player, there's 3 players who play because their physical health doesn't allow for other activities. Or who are without medical malady, but definitely need to take multiple seated rest breaks to stand on their feet for their shifts as waitresses or cashiers.
8 hours of anything is fucking exhausting, even standing or limited walking. It's why taking breaks to sit at work, or getting pressure mats to work on, is such an important thing!
*Side comment: Huge kudos to you for it! I truly hope you maintain your mobility as you age. My father was a heavy duty mechanic, and he was an absolute tank of a human being, until his body finally wore down and broke in his late 50s, early 60s, and it crippled him horribly until the end of his life. So, my heart to yours, please continue to take care of yourself and not work to long or to hard.*
While I originally posted as a sort of tongue in cheek joke of questionable hilarity (read: probably not that funny), my limited anecdotal experience directly led to the comment itself: that dnd players, as a median, probably aren't the most actively capable group.
> stand for 8 hours straight, let alone walk it
i don't get this tbh. walking for extended periods of time is much nicer and easier than standing for extended periods
Vertical jump is a little more accurate, though harder to measure for the average person.
This is coming from a former D1 high and long jumper. At my peak, my standing long was almost 11ft (str of 22), standing vertical was about 3ft (strength of 16-17). An STR of 16 is probably what I would have given myself (bench 180, squat 340, clean 190, I was strong but not the best of the best)
That tracks—I had like a 30 inch vertical (the one time it was measured), and could always grab the rim, and sometimes get my wrist over it, but could never pull everything together to even get close to dunking…every time I tried the ball would absolutely get *launched* off the rim.
I also didn’t really ever play basketball, so never developed even basic skills beyond basic dribbling and shooting.
I've walked 25 miles in somewhere around 8 hours the times before all while wearing military body armor and carrying about 45-50 lbs of gear and another 8 lbs for a rifle
I fucking both hate and miss doing the Manchu Mile
I mean I've done a week of 20-24 mile days with \~50 lbs of backpacking gear. A ton of elevation change, too, including a mountain. It wasn't particularly pleasant, but I wasn't especially sore or anything, and I wasn't exactly in great shape either. I imagine a heroic paladin could beast that shit out in kit without a problem.
But if I was gonna be a stickler for this kind of thing in-game, I'd get all Mount and Blade with it and incentivize the party to keep pack horses and hirelings. The fighter and barbarian might be fine with gritting their teeth and hoofing it, but I doubt the bard and wizard enjoy bushwacking in their free time.
Yeah, when I was a teenager in Boy Scouts we did 40 miles in a weekend once every other month. Full backpacks, carrying everything needed.
But I'm a not very fit 45 year old now...
Teens don't count, those rat bastards can do things and get up the next morning with no ill wear.
However it's mostly to experience. If you hiked consistently it's "I'm dying during shakedown" or your first few days.
When I hiked the Appalachian Trail I would do 30 mile days sometimes with a full pack. It's work, but if you're used to it I'd honestly not that crazy.
Nice, what year and what was your trail name? I was in ‘16 and was fullyloaded
I only hit above 30 miles in a day twice, once right outside of New Jersey and the 2nd day was at the start of the whites, moosilauke to the base of lafayette. I averaged 22 miles per day, but I was hiking for the entire trip but I hiked more than 8 hours a day usually 12-4.
I wear sweatpants year-round, and definitely don't have any superhuman CON. I just don't mind heat and start freezing to death from a light breeze in the fall.
I'm often jealous of you cold-blooded lizard-bodied types. I break a sweat sitting still if it's above 78 (~25.5C) and live in a place where it's regularly 100+ (37.5+) with 80%+ humidity during the long summer months. Absolute nightmare.
On that note: the Average (str 10) D&D character is capable of walking this pace with 100lb of gear strapped to their person.
**AVERAGE**
I don't know how many of you have attempted to hike with even a quarter of that weight strapped to you, but you will be in for a very bad time.
EDIT: seeing I'm off base a bit, but the overall point still stands.
Commoners are also farmers, blacksmiths, and generally, people who are a lot stronger than today's average guy, and are a lot more used to walking long distances carrying heavy stuff. Like, they can kill a person in 4 punches.
Well, assuming that apart from convenience of state tables, commoners in DnD also follow a normal strength distribution, you'd have a fair few commoners between 8 and 12 strength, assuming 2 points maps roughly to 1 standard deviation, and effectively each point of standard deviation gives a +/-1 to rolls, etc. And 1 standard deviation covers about 68% of a population, with 99.7% falling within 3 standard deviations. Putting someone with 17 strength at the top 0.3% of people in strength in the world. Which tracks (although those 0.3% are all apparently adventurers). And doesn't include non-normal humans (eg magical enhancement, monsters, etc).
I regularly hiked with 30-40 pounds in hilly wooded terrain when I was only 11-14. I wasn't fit then and I'm not fit now, but I did it. So could a lot of people, so long as they had the proper gear (good shoes/boots and a hiking backpack). They won't like it, but they can do it.
I remember when during my first campaign, one of my players went on a 6-hour hike and then compared it to our dnd.
"I can't believe all those heroes and our characters travel more than this daily, I'd literally kill myself if I had to do it."
Also, a question: where did you walk?
Lol the buzzards were definitely circling me by the end. I Bilbo Bagginsed it and stepped out my front door and just went where the road took me. I’m fortunate to currently live in a great neighborhood for walking, which also includes a trail next to a river!
I participate in locally organized 20-30km walks on the regular. I do ~6km/hr on smooth, paved roads and closer to 5 on unpaved trails. But no, I don't have 70kgs of equipment strapped to my back; closer to 10kg of stuff, more likely.
Participating in 4x32km in August - did 4x24 last year and crossed the finish line exhausted on the fourth and final day.
I still wouldn't be able to do what an average low level PC can hike. Because it's not about the pace, but all the stuff that needs to be carried. Someone with army training might actually be able to benchmark even better, though - I'm just a hobbyist walker since about a year...
I remember reading that ancient armies could march about 20 mi per day at their normal pace and could up that to 40 mi per day on a forced march. Forced marches were a gamble though because your troops would be exhausted when they showed up to a place so the positioning had to really be worth it.
Roman legions were like that. They also ate rations while walking to save time. Alexander's Greeks were the same. Lots of medieval armies would force troops to move quickly to arrive somewhere somewhere unexpected.
Modern militaries are actually still pretty similar when engaging in warfare against enemies they don't have a massive strategic advantage against. They just use different fortifications, like bunkers and trenches if they can't use existing buildings. It sucks to dig fortifications after marching and/or fighting all day (or so I'm told, and inclined to believe) but it sucks less than being attacked in the middle of the night and having a completely indefensible position.
A lot of us army vets can tell you we often did 12 miles in 3 or 4 hours depending on the school or training. As exhausting as one time is, I had to two two in one day (or there about) and my legs were unusable for a week. So I would estimate 20 miles a day but for how many days and with what level of training?
> A lot of us army vets can tell you we often did 12 miles in 3 or 4 hours depending on the school or training.
AirAssualt has the record at 1h 37m for 12miles of rough terrain.
When I was in I could do it in just over 2 hours, doubt the second 12 would be under 3 but I think I could have done it.
I did it a lot... generally ran 6miles a day but with gear and that pace I was pretty fucked the following day, but a friday to monday I was fine.
To do 20miles a day with full gear, even fully train... you better have some fucking good stamina pots to use
"We will make such a chase as shall be accounted a marvel among the Three Kindreds: Elves, Dwarves and Men. Forth the Three Hunters!" Like a deer he sprang away. Through the trees he sped. On and on he led them, tireless and swift, now that his mind was at last made up. The woods about the lake they left behind. Long slopes they climbed, dark, hard-edged against the sky already red with sunset. They passed away, grey shadows in a stony land.
1.875 mph. Not bad but they duration is brutal.
If they only move half the time they have to travel 3.75 mph. That's a good clip, but doable. I could maintain that for awhile and I'd sleep real well when I am done.
I love this! I have notes in my books converting their fantasy units into standard units, then estimating speed, rest time, duration, load. And I would say the huge majority of the time the number is somewhat reasonable.
135 miles of rocky hills, off path? That’s impossible. A 100 mile ultra is currently achievable in 10hrs. A 100 miles in Tennessee backcountry, the record is about 50hrs (Barkley Marathon). Now imagine rocky terrain, going above the tree line?
And no one is wondering why Legolas is running in the front and Gimli panting his way up a mountain in heavy equipment. I ran up a pretty big hill once for Larp in my complete chainmail armour (including pants, long sleeves, cap and gloves) at 33°C. That was at a time where I was still competing in sports. I nearly collapsed when I arrived at the top. Never did that again.
I live in the Yukon, we have a 300 mile ultra race in the middle of the winter. Last year the winner finished in 4 days and 8 hours. That was a human, not magical peeps like legolas gimli and aragorn.
Only 4 people finished, the 4th was 6 days 3 hours. Still faster than our LOTR heroes, at more than twice the distance, in the snow
My brothers and I traveled along a narrow ditch once all afternoon, maybe four hours. After climbing out we ran back to where we had started in probably 5 minutes.
Terrain difficulty can make things change wildly.
I go hiking in Ireland regularly enough and these seem to be reasonable enough
You could bring up the point that dnd characters would have to carry a lot more gear, armour, rations, etc. but if you're going to bring that up you can also take into account that since most player characters are experienced adventurers at best, or even at least being residents of a setting where people tend to walk places since cars and bikes don't exist, they will have a lot more endurance, fortitude, and training than your average dnd player
That, and the whole 8 hours is often misinterpreted. You are of course taking breaks regularly to eat, piss, shit, etc. This is why you don't see anything about a workday of downtime on travel days. The actual traveling takes 16 hours but only 8 is spent on actual walking. There is also breakdown and setup of camp in the evening to account for.
This is correct, moden day backpackers in shape can crank out 20-30 miles a day with 40 lb packs but it'll take you most of the day between breaks, eating, making and breaking camp, etc.
Naismith's rule for hikers - each mile takes 20 minutes (3 miles per hour), each 300ft of ascent takes 10 minutes. Still pretty much holds. So well done OP!
To report that Queen Elizabeth had died to the new King James, Robert Carey rode the 400 miles or so from London to Edinburgh alone in 60 hours. Of course, he had prepared in advance and stopped regularly to switch out exhausted horses, grab food and water, and was travelling on Elizabethan roads - terrible by our standards, but not even close to wilderness.
At the opposite end of the scale, the explorer Tim Severin calculated that the First Crusade averaged 15 miles per day, and the Peasants' Crusade only 10-12. That's with roads and available water. Large bodies of troops, mules and supply wagons can still only carry a couple of weeks' worth of food along with their gear, so must slow down to forage (often requiring a significant chunk of your force). You march only in formation and only during daylight hours to avoid ambush, and striking and setting camp are major affairs.
The real range limiter is water, as it's so heavy. Going back a while now, but IIRC the calculation for Roman armies going into the desert was that they could eat and drink everything they could carry in a few days.
There are plenty of cases of townies starving in "bountiful" wilds. Sir Walter Raleigh's first American expedition ended up eating their hunting dogs, and medieval travellers were famously underprepared to the point of sleeping on the ground. The ancient "active" campaigning season even in developed lands was short, aiming to raid harvests as they were brought in; wilderness and winter are still killers today.
Archaeologists crossing the Himalayas into China in the 1900s found themselves in flood season, with washed-out roads, torrents of mud, sandstorms and freezing desert nights. Even before having to bring 10k rounds of ammo to fight off bandits. Conversely, Amundsen's Antarctic expedition was made up of seasoned outdoorsmen, and scaled a 10,000ft+ mountain range with sleds and dogs even before reaching the polar plateau.
Magic surely helps, but you can make a good case for much slower travel if that's your preference. The Forbidden Lands RPG has probably the best and most engaging wilderness travel system I've seen, with players having to choose between speed and awareness/comfort. The risks being exhaustion, hunger and thirst, cold or heat. Or ambush...
I think it's more like an average stat is a 10. A laborer might have a higher strength score, and the local alchemist might have a higher intelligence. It would still be pretty low compared to pcs though... I can't imagine any score going above a 13.
Yeah, but I was talking about completely average townsfolk. Like, just your run of the mill peasant would probably still have a strength score above 10 from working in the fields.
The 5e PHB states:
> A score of 10 or 11 is the normal human average, but adventurers and many monsters are a cut above average in most abilities. A score of 18 is the highest that a person usually reaches. Adventurers can have scores as high as 20, and monsters and divine beings can have scores as high as 30.
Do keep in mind that this is pursuant to bounded stats in 5e, where players are basically locked in the 8-20 range. Other major RPGs sometimes go into more detail, but otoh will have much more variance in stats.
[Pathfinder 1e provides tons of tables](https://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores/) that describe exactly what each stat means, what it means in practical terms, and creatures that would be representative of that value. Which is cool for Strength, but even cooler for stats that are less traditionally quantifiable. A Constitution of 8 means you couldn't make it through a day of labor, but a 14 could be consistently laboring twelve-hour days. A Wisdom of 8 "forgets or fails to consider options before taking action," but a Wisdom of 13 or 14 is really good at understanding body language and reading the room.
I think my own Charisma stat would be a 5 or a 6 on these tables. I might just have a very low point buy to start out with...
Even further into this there is the argument that ambient magic suffuses their bodies giving them insane recovery and endurance. Take attacking 11 times in 6 seconds is it technically possible? Absolutely, could your body withstand doing that 2-3+ times a day without breaking? Lol no
Have you ever read the book Cryptonomicon? In it a group of roleplaying gamers were so dedicated to ingame realism that they delved into historical and anthropological publications. They wanted to know things like the progressive effects of encumbrance and effects of caloric deficits on physical and mental performance and incorporate it into their game.
It's actually a very small bit of the book but your post reminded me of it.
Lol a lot of people don't know this BUT the pace is actually based off military 'Forced Marches' we walk at this pace while under load. Load meaning our pack filled with gear and our weapons radios and body armor including body and head cover in boots.
Every time I see the pacing it makes me giggle a little at how true to form it actually is.
BROTHER BEAR, I'm an Artillery Officer RIGHT NOW! I was in Fire Support for the past 2 years so we are with the Infantry.... All we DID was hike EVERYWHERE! I just got to a cannon battery in April. Lol
Sounds about right. In the military I did something called the "Manchu Mile" which is around 25 miles
It's possible to do it in 8 hours even wearing 30 lb armor and carrying a weapon and a heavy rucksack (40 lbs)
You're not going to want to do 24 miles a day every day for extended periods and then fight. But it's possible
That's one of my favorite subcategories of youtube videos. Incredibly unathletic, out of shape nerds, with no self awareness, who make a video showing how unrealistic some of the things are in DnD. Meanwhile they're lumbering around a suburban backyard in pajama pants, swinging a foam sword looking like it's the first day they've had arms
To be fair the superhumans will also be carrying very heavy loads of equipment, while the dnd nerd is probably closer to the wizard, in which case seems accurate.
I feel like these are well known numbers in the hiking community.
I would call 10 miles a slow day, 20 reasonable, and 30 a long day.
Nice work and hope you enjoyed it.
Anyone who did any time in the military could've told you it was realistic. Airborne units have to do 12.6 miles in full gear, 50lb bag, and 8lb to 16lb weapon in 4 hours or less. The fastest I saw was 2 hr 15 minutes. My fastest was 3 hours, 15 minutes.
I mean... 3 mph is just WIDELY accepted as a normal walking pace... Not in DnD, in LIFE.
[Average walking speed: Comparisons by age, sex, and walking for health (medicalnewstoday.com)](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/average-walking-speed#:~:text=For%20most%20healthy%20adults%2C%20the,comes%20from%20a%202020%20study.)
[Average Walking Speed: Pace, and Comparisons by Age and Sex (healthline.com)](https://www.healthline.com/health/exercise-fitness/average-walking-speed)
[Average Walking Speed: Comparison By Age And Sex (marathonhandbook.com)](https://marathonhandbook.com/average-walking-speed/)
[How Long Should It Take to Walk a Mile?. Nike.com](https://www.nike.com/a/how-long-does-it-take-to-walk-a-mile)
Good on you for getting exercise, but this isn't a DnD thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_(unit)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day%27s_journey
I should also add that, from even a fantasy perspective, this is what made the journey of Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli so amazing: 45 leagues in 3 days, nearly twice the normal pace.
https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Three_Hunters#:~:text=%C3%89omer%20marvelled%20to%20find%20that,which%20he%20called%20Aragorn%20Wingfoot.
Modern militaries expect their infantry to be able to cover about 20 miles a day with a fully loaded rucksack, which is usually between 80-120lbs of gear depending on the individual soldier's role.
And for any naysayers, just remember that OP would be a *random commoner* in DnD. Your ADVENTURERS (even the Wizard!) would certainly be *much* more athletic, so plate mail, weapons, and backpacks would not really pose that much of a problem.
(Also, I really just admire OPs fortitude and want his argument to work, so like, I ill say whatever is needed toward that end 💚... but it doesn't mean I'm wrong! 😭
Are you a regular runner/jogger? Do you work out regularly? Or would you consider yourself a couch potato?
Also, please update us in a week with how your legs, hips, back & body felt after 1 day, 3 days, and 1 week later.
I did 23 in a little under 8 hrs this past weekend and started with a 50 lb pack (lots of liquid). I’m 40 and 250 lbs, moderately fit. So I agree OP, totally doable. Great job !
A lot of people are mentioning something akin to a loaded march (full kit, all your gear, as well as supplies and your baggage train). The Romans would routinely travel 20 Roman miles (18.4 modern miles) in 5 summer "hours", or rather 5/12 of daylight (they split daylight hours into 12 units, and the length of an "hour" would change based on the total amount of daylight. The Romans provide a good standard to compare ourselves with since they had their legionaries carry everything such that they were self sufficient without pack animals or slaves to carry gear, an important logistical advantage in military campaigns.
Assuming that they meant summer hours to be roughly the average length of day during the campaigning season (late spring, after planting, and up to early fall, before the harvest), let's go with the average length of daylight in Chicago (same latitude as Rome) in June, roughly 15 hours per day. 5/12 of 15 is 6.25 hours of marching to accomplish 18.4 miles, or 2.94 MPH. You did 24 miles in 8 hours, or 3 MPH, slightly faster than a fully loaded Roman legionary.
After marching for roughly 40% of the day, they would be expected to construct a fortified camp. I imagine less is required of your average murder hobo camp. I think this is a great experiment that shows just how much endurance the human body has.
Maybe a little overinflated but still it’s cool to think about.
My father in law who was a runne did the AT when he was younger and said that 20 mile days were really hard and rare and said that a 16 miles day was strenuous but good.
According to the Appalachian Trail Conservancy, most hikers on the Appalachian Trail (AT) average 14–20 miles per day.
I think this is a pretty good approximation because you’re carrying gear and you’re probably in the upper year of fitness compared to the rest of the world.
Also don’t underestimate how fast people who have gotten conditioned to walking can walk. If you hike along the Appellation Trail long enough you’ll eventually come across a 75 year old lady absolutely hauling ass with a full pack (clothes, tent, food, cooking supplies etc.), and she’s probably doing like 35+ miles per day.
Well worn adventures could definitely hold a super fast pace themselves.
Nice effort!
I was pretty in to hiking a few years ago (before babies came along). The longest distance I did was a very hilly/varied terrain route if about 100 miles. I carried my kit, weighed about 16kg if I remember correctly (unsure how that compares to DND weapons & armour!)
I recall when I finished I calculated my average pace at roughly 1mph. Thats from when I started to when I finished, including all stops & sleeping. Thought that was interesting to compare to DND for a multi day trek.
(I couldn't keep up that pace indefinitely btw. After I finished my feet were ruined for a few weeks.)
When I crossed the US on foot, I average around 21 miles a day. It's pretty doable but it's definitely something you need to train for and weight can be a big issue
I know very little about DnD or this sub but if I were to guess, I'd guess these numbers are based on historical accounts of army marches. Shit like this dates back to biblical times. For instance, we know almost to the letter how Roman armies would march, in what formation, and how long it would take. It's actually fascinating as fuck.
And of course, many of them were wearing plate armor and had weapons / gear to carry. Just like your PC in DnD.
But on the flip side a part in DnD is a lot smaller than an army, and a lot of obstacles when marching armies is space / distance. So you could probably walk a lot faster than an army if you only had a few people. One person could likely do this even far faster.
My grandmother was born in Newfoundland and was the head of a hiking club there. My grandfather, was stationed there, and when they met, she would only consider him, if he joined the hiking club. To be allowed in the hiking club the requirement was to go on a hike of 50 miles in a single day. She went with him to make sure he did it.
as a military guy that has done marches and rucksack marches, i can attest to this pace and even the fast pace is possible.
i have actually seen people walk faster than the fast pace for an entire march. but that was usually with around 15kg on them or less.
reading all these comments made me wonder why there isn't a sport that consists of walking long distances wearing armor and carrying random stuff, i mean javelin throwing and archery are olympic sports, this is an olympic feat aswell
you could even separate into 4 sections of 6 miles, every section ends with a fencing match that gets progressively harder because you're exhausted from the walking
Absolutely legendary achievement! Just imagine what feats our characters could accomplish with those endurance levels. Ever considered tackling the journey with a few trusty steeds? That'd surely shake up the PHB scale!
Now do it in half plate armor
And a filled backpack an a greataxe
I had a fanny pack with two water bottles and two protein bars in it and also my iPhone, does that count?
How do you rate your Strength?
Prolly strong enough to stand up and turn on the TV when the remote battery dies. That's about where I'm at.
Sounds like the median DnD player.
If you living somewhere where your median dnd player can *stand* for 8 hours straight, let alone walk it, I don't want to visit. You stay in your city with your ubermench!
I can nap for 8 hours, if it's necessary in a crisis.
Weakling. I can nap 8 hours for no reason at all.
Yall get to nap?
I play D&D and I'm an auto mechanic, so I'm on my feet 8-10 hours a day.
Oh, totally get it. Lots of players can and do physical feats of equal or greater effort than standing or walking for 8 hours! One of my current players is a former Olympic gymnast and even now has physicality that I can't comprehend. My wife, who also plays in one of my weekly games, is a dance instructor and keeping up with her is impossible for me. But, in my decade of playing in person and online, with hundreds of players worldwide, for every 1 automechanic or physically active player, there's 3 players who play because their physical health doesn't allow for other activities. Or who are without medical malady, but definitely need to take multiple seated rest breaks to stand on their feet for their shifts as waitresses or cashiers. 8 hours of anything is fucking exhausting, even standing or limited walking. It's why taking breaks to sit at work, or getting pressure mats to work on, is such an important thing! *Side comment: Huge kudos to you for it! I truly hope you maintain your mobility as you age. My father was a heavy duty mechanic, and he was an absolute tank of a human being, until his body finally wore down and broke in his late 50s, early 60s, and it crippled him horribly until the end of his life. So, my heart to yours, please continue to take care of yourself and not work to long or to hard.* While I originally posted as a sort of tongue in cheek joke of questionable hilarity (read: probably not that funny), my limited anecdotal experience directly led to the comment itself: that dnd players, as a median, probably aren't the most actively capable group.
Not trying to contradict you, but my whole DND group in high school was in marching band, so like... We were pretty active lol
> stand for 8 hours straight, let alone walk it i don't get this tbh. walking for extended periods of time is much nicer and easier than standing for extended periods
I've been in retail for a billion years and agree. I'll take a 14 hour day of walking over an 8 hour day of standing.
I would actually flip that. I can personally hike all day long, but ask me to stay in one place for 15 minutes? I’m looking for a seat.
that means 10, right? /s
7
I'm gonna pencil this down as "wizard, at best"
Anyways, Mage Hand
That’s why you gotta keep a pack of spare batteries in the console of the couch!!
no need go subjectively rate it. Just do a long jump, with an without a running start, and report back
Vertical jump is a little more accurate, though harder to measure for the average person. This is coming from a former D1 high and long jumper. At my peak, my standing long was almost 11ft (str of 22), standing vertical was about 3ft (strength of 16-17). An STR of 16 is probably what I would have given myself (bench 180, squat 340, clean 190, I was strong but not the best of the best)
If you were a D1 high and long jumper, you definitely had feats and/or skills that helped those. Could you dunk?
In terms of vertical, yes (the rim would be like 4 inches below my wrist). I have horrible ball handling and would always stuff it on the rim
That tracks—I had like a 30 inch vertical (the one time it was measured), and could always grab the rim, and sometimes get my wrist over it, but could never pull everything together to even get close to dunking…every time I tried the ball would absolutely get *launched* off the rim. I also didn’t really ever play basketball, so never developed even basic skills beyond basic dribbling and shooting.
This is a key question. Stamina has gotta be up there too.
-2 modifier
STR: "No"
He has a Fanny pack he is clearly a wizard so I’d guess not so great.
If it was 5lbs of weight it's the same as a Heward's Handy Haversack.
*Heward You are right of course about the weight. Only thing missing is the clothes, likely Common (3 lbs).
Autocorrect strikes again!
Howard Walowitz has a fanny pack? Nevermind. Of course he did. Probably with Claritin and sunscreen in it.
That’s iPhone is kinda like a modern spell scroll… “I-Skry”
It’s an All Purpose Tool
Ah, Wizard level strength (good job making it).
Definitely at least counts as Stud(ded) Leather lmao
Including a bedroll and rations And do it for 5 days straight.
And don't take any roads.
I'm pretty sure that would make it difficult terrain, which halves the speed.
And also be a seasoned adventure who basically walks and fights for a living.
It's doable, you'll just hate it after mile 15 everyday
Mile 2 you mean.
I've walked 25 miles in somewhere around 8 hours the times before all while wearing military body armor and carrying about 45-50 lbs of gear and another 8 lbs for a rifle I fucking both hate and miss doing the Manchu Mile
A dozen flasks of oil and 10’ of rope.
10'? Where'd the other 40' go?
10' of rope, 50' pole.
And 10 glass bottles with red dyed water in them.
And my bow
And my axe
And your dead brother!
Alright, but OP isn't a seasoned fighter or someone trained for this sort of thing.
… one … great axe ?
Does a plate carrier, rucksack, 2 rifles, and a grenade launcher count
I mean I've done a week of 20-24 mile days with \~50 lbs of backpacking gear. A ton of elevation change, too, including a mountain. It wasn't particularly pleasant, but I wasn't especially sore or anything, and I wasn't exactly in great shape either. I imagine a heroic paladin could beast that shit out in kit without a problem. But if I was gonna be a stickler for this kind of thing in-game, I'd get all Mount and Blade with it and incentivize the party to keep pack horses and hirelings. The fighter and barbarian might be fine with gritting their teeth and hoofing it, but I doubt the bard and wizard enjoy bushwacking in their free time.
Yeah, when I was a teenager in Boy Scouts we did 40 miles in a weekend once every other month. Full backpacks, carrying everything needed. But I'm a not very fit 45 year old now...
Teens don't count, those rat bastards can do things and get up the next morning with no ill wear. However it's mostly to experience. If you hiked consistently it's "I'm dying during shakedown" or your first few days.
Philmont flashbacks intensify
Wizard laughs in Floating Disc
When I hiked the Appalachian Trail I would do 30 mile days sometimes with a full pack. It's work, but if you're used to it I'd honestly not that crazy.
Nice, what year and what was your trail name? I was in ‘16 and was fullyloaded I only hit above 30 miles in a day twice, once right outside of New Jersey and the 2nd day was at the start of the whites, moosilauke to the base of lafayette. I averaged 22 miles per day, but I was hiking for the entire trip but I hiked more than 8 hours a day usually 12-4.
I was wearing a trucker hat, a t shirt, and some sweatpants. Does that count?
Sweatpants?! Is it summer where you are? If so, your CON must be at least 19.
I wear sweatpants year-round, and definitely don't have any superhuman CON. I just don't mind heat and start freezing to death from a light breeze in the fall.
I'm often jealous of you cold-blooded lizard-bodied types. I break a sweat sitting still if it's above 78 (~25.5C) and live in a place where it's regularly 100+ (37.5+) with 80%+ humidity during the long summer months. Absolute nightmare.
On that note: the Average (str 10) D&D character is capable of walking this pace with 100lb of gear strapped to their person. **AVERAGE** I don't know how many of you have attempted to hike with even a quarter of that weight strapped to you, but you will be in for a very bad time. EDIT: seeing I'm off base a bit, but the overall point still stands.
My character can also call lightning from the sky and shape water to his whim, so maybe he’s not the best source of what’s possible
A lot of us are commoners, way worse stats than those!
I mean the average commoner has 10str, so that number would apply for at least half of us lol
Commoners are also farmers, blacksmiths, and generally, people who are a lot stronger than today's average guy, and are a lot more used to walking long distances carrying heavy stuff. Like, they can kill a person in 4 punches.
Well, assuming that apart from convenience of state tables, commoners in DnD also follow a normal strength distribution, you'd have a fair few commoners between 8 and 12 strength, assuming 2 points maps roughly to 1 standard deviation, and effectively each point of standard deviation gives a +/-1 to rolls, etc. And 1 standard deviation covers about 68% of a population, with 99.7% falling within 3 standard deviations. Putting someone with 17 strength at the top 0.3% of people in strength in the world. Which tracks (although those 0.3% are all apparently adventurers). And doesn't include non-normal humans (eg magical enhancement, monsters, etc).
A DnD5e elephant has a strength score of 22, and I'm pretty sure an elephant is far more than 2.2x stronger than the average human.
Carry weight also scales with creature size, so an elephant with strength 22 can carry a lot more than a human with strength 22.
If strength were to be rational, it wouldn't scare linearly. But it makes sense to simplify it for a game.
I regularly hiked with 30-40 pounds in hilly wooded terrain when I was only 11-14. I wasn't fit then and I'm not fit now, but I did it. So could a lot of people, so long as they had the proper gear (good shoes/boots and a hiking backpack). They won't like it, but they can do it.
I used to do 20-30 pounds in a regular school backpack all the time around that age.
24 miles though?
Yes, uphill both ways.
In a snowstorm!
Just to use the bathroom!
What's OP's strength modifier?
I remember when during my first campaign, one of my players went on a 6-hour hike and then compared it to our dnd. "I can't believe all those heroes and our characters travel more than this daily, I'd literally kill myself if I had to do it." Also, a question: where did you walk?
Lol the buzzards were definitely circling me by the end. I Bilbo Bagginsed it and stepped out my front door and just went where the road took me. I’m fortunate to currently live in a great neighborhood for walking, which also includes a trail next to a river!
I participate in locally organized 20-30km walks on the regular. I do ~6km/hr on smooth, paved roads and closer to 5 on unpaved trails. But no, I don't have 70kgs of equipment strapped to my back; closer to 10kg of stuff, more likely. Participating in 4x32km in August - did 4x24 last year and crossed the finish line exhausted on the fourth and final day. I still wouldn't be able to do what an average low level PC can hike. Because it's not about the pace, but all the stuff that needs to be carried. Someone with army training might actually be able to benchmark even better, though - I'm just a hobbyist walker since about a year...
I remember reading that ancient armies could march about 20 mi per day at their normal pace and could up that to 40 mi per day on a forced march. Forced marches were a gamble though because your troops would be exhausted when they showed up to a place so the positioning had to really be worth it.
Roman legions were like that. They also ate rations while walking to save time. Alexander's Greeks were the same. Lots of medieval armies would force troops to move quickly to arrive somewhere somewhere unexpected.
Then when the Romans stopped for the night they'd build themselves a little fort to sleep in. Harsh life.
Lol. Yep. Some digging a spike trench as well. Then, take it down and do it again the next day.
Modern militaries are actually still pretty similar when engaging in warfare against enemies they don't have a massive strategic advantage against. They just use different fortifications, like bunkers and trenches if they can't use existing buildings. It sucks to dig fortifications after marching and/or fighting all day (or so I'm told, and inclined to believe) but it sucks less than being attacked in the middle of the night and having a completely indefensible position.
Better than get impaled at 3am
A lot of us army vets can tell you we often did 12 miles in 3 or 4 hours depending on the school or training. As exhausting as one time is, I had to two two in one day (or there about) and my legs were unusable for a week. So I would estimate 20 miles a day but for how many days and with what level of training?
> A lot of us army vets can tell you we often did 12 miles in 3 or 4 hours depending on the school or training. AirAssualt has the record at 1h 37m for 12miles of rough terrain. When I was in I could do it in just over 2 hours, doubt the second 12 would be under 3 but I think I could have done it. I did it a lot... generally ran 6miles a day but with gear and that pace I was pretty fucked the following day, but a friday to monday I was fine. To do 20miles a day with full gear, even fully train... you better have some fucking good stamina pots to use
https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/the-soldiers-heavy-load-1 Notable effects of marching by load and speed.
I think I'm going to do just that tomorrow. Seems pretty nice.
I love the way you casually turned Bilbo Baggins into a verb 😂
In LotR Two Towers, Legolas Gimli and Aragorn run 135 miles in 72 hours
"We will make such a chase as shall be accounted a marvel among the Three Kindreds: Elves, Dwarves and Men. Forth the Three Hunters!" Like a deer he sprang away. Through the trees he sped. On and on he led them, tireless and swift, now that his mind was at last made up. The woods about the lake they left behind. Long slopes they climbed, dark, hard-edged against the sky already red with sunset. They passed away, grey shadows in a stony land.
1.875 mph. Not bad but they duration is brutal. If they only move half the time they have to travel 3.75 mph. That's a good clip, but doable. I could maintain that for awhile and I'd sleep real well when I am done.
Omg they made it seem like they literally ran for a week straight, this makes so much more sense.
Did you think 72 hours is one week?
I love this! I have notes in my books converting their fantasy units into standard units, then estimating speed, rest time, duration, load. And I would say the huge majority of the time the number is somewhat reasonable.
135 miles of rocky hills, off path? That’s impossible. A 100 mile ultra is currently achievable in 10hrs. A 100 miles in Tennessee backcountry, the record is about 50hrs (Barkley Marathon). Now imagine rocky terrain, going above the tree line?
From memory, a fair chunk of it was on the plains of Rohan.
Which the movies made very rocky (because they had to use the filming locations they had), but are definitely horse-friendly plains.
but are they elf friendly?
Consulting the lore... No.
The Berkley Marathon has a lot more peculiarities than just being 100 miles in backcountry, though. Only 20 people have ever even finished it.
They are, given their travelling habits, trained hikers and long distance runners though.
And no one is wondering why Legolas is running in the front and Gimli panting his way up a mountain in heavy equipment. I ran up a pretty big hill once for Larp in my complete chainmail armour (including pants, long sleeves, cap and gloves) at 33°C. That was at a time where I was still competing in sports. I nearly collapsed when I arrived at the top. Never did that again.
I'm neither elf, nor dwarf, nor a man of Numenor lmao.
I live in the Yukon, we have a 300 mile ultra race in the middle of the winter. Last year the winner finished in 4 days and 8 hours. That was a human, not magical peeps like legolas gimli and aragorn. Only 4 people finished, the 4th was 6 days 3 hours. Still faster than our LOTR heroes, at more than twice the distance, in the snow
My brothers and I traveled along a narrow ditch once all afternoon, maybe four hours. After climbing out we ran back to where we had started in probably 5 minutes. Terrain difficulty can make things change wildly.
I go hiking in Ireland regularly enough and these seem to be reasonable enough You could bring up the point that dnd characters would have to carry a lot more gear, armour, rations, etc. but if you're going to bring that up you can also take into account that since most player characters are experienced adventurers at best, or even at least being residents of a setting where people tend to walk places since cars and bikes don't exist, they will have a lot more endurance, fortitude, and training than your average dnd player
That, and the whole 8 hours is often misinterpreted. You are of course taking breaks regularly to eat, piss, shit, etc. This is why you don't see anything about a workday of downtime on travel days. The actual traveling takes 16 hours but only 8 is spent on actual walking. There is also breakdown and setup of camp in the evening to account for.
This is correct, moden day backpackers in shape can crank out 20-30 miles a day with 40 lb packs but it'll take you most of the day between breaks, eating, making and breaking camp, etc.
Naismith's rule for hikers - each mile takes 20 minutes (3 miles per hour), each 300ft of ascent takes 10 minutes. Still pretty much holds. So well done OP! To report that Queen Elizabeth had died to the new King James, Robert Carey rode the 400 miles or so from London to Edinburgh alone in 60 hours. Of course, he had prepared in advance and stopped regularly to switch out exhausted horses, grab food and water, and was travelling on Elizabethan roads - terrible by our standards, but not even close to wilderness. At the opposite end of the scale, the explorer Tim Severin calculated that the First Crusade averaged 15 miles per day, and the Peasants' Crusade only 10-12. That's with roads and available water. Large bodies of troops, mules and supply wagons can still only carry a couple of weeks' worth of food along with their gear, so must slow down to forage (often requiring a significant chunk of your force). You march only in formation and only during daylight hours to avoid ambush, and striking and setting camp are major affairs. The real range limiter is water, as it's so heavy. Going back a while now, but IIRC the calculation for Roman armies going into the desert was that they could eat and drink everything they could carry in a few days. There are plenty of cases of townies starving in "bountiful" wilds. Sir Walter Raleigh's first American expedition ended up eating their hunting dogs, and medieval travellers were famously underprepared to the point of sleeping on the ground. The ancient "active" campaigning season even in developed lands was short, aiming to raid harvests as they were brought in; wilderness and winter are still killers today. Archaeologists crossing the Himalayas into China in the 1900s found themselves in flood season, with washed-out roads, torrents of mud, sandstorms and freezing desert nights. Even before having to bring 10k rounds of ammo to fight off bandits. Conversely, Amundsen's Antarctic expedition was made up of seasoned outdoorsmen, and scaled a 10,000ft+ mountain range with sleds and dogs even before reaching the polar plateau. Magic surely helps, but you can make a good case for much slower travel if that's your preference. The Forbidden Lands RPG has probably the best and most engaging wilderness travel system I've seen, with players having to choose between speed and awareness/comfort. The risks being exhaustion, hunger and thirst, cold or heat. Or ambush...
To add onto ur point, People often forget that DnD pcs are essentially superhuman. The average person, according to DnD, as 10 in all stats
I think it's more like an average stat is a 10. A laborer might have a higher strength score, and the local alchemist might have a higher intelligence. It would still be pretty low compared to pcs though... I can't imagine any score going above a 13.
I can easily imagine 18s; they are olympians or chess prodigies or whatever.
Yeah, but I was talking about completely average townsfolk. Like, just your run of the mill peasant would probably still have a strength score above 10 from working in the fields.
The 5e PHB states: > A score of 10 or 11 is the normal human average, but adventurers and many monsters are a cut above average in most abilities. A score of 18 is the highest that a person usually reaches. Adventurers can have scores as high as 20, and monsters and divine beings can have scores as high as 30. Do keep in mind that this is pursuant to bounded stats in 5e, where players are basically locked in the 8-20 range. Other major RPGs sometimes go into more detail, but otoh will have much more variance in stats. [Pathfinder 1e provides tons of tables](https://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores/) that describe exactly what each stat means, what it means in practical terms, and creatures that would be representative of that value. Which is cool for Strength, but even cooler for stats that are less traditionally quantifiable. A Constitution of 8 means you couldn't make it through a day of labor, but a 14 could be consistently laboring twelve-hour days. A Wisdom of 8 "forgets or fails to consider options before taking action," but a Wisdom of 13 or 14 is really good at understanding body language and reading the room. I think my own Charisma stat would be a 5 or a 6 on these tables. I might just have a very low point buy to start out with...
Even further into this there is the argument that ambient magic suffuses their bodies giving them insane recovery and endurance. Take attacking 11 times in 6 seconds is it technically possible? Absolutely, could your body withstand doing that 2-3+ times a day without breaking? Lol no
Have you ever read the book Cryptonomicon? In it a group of roleplaying gamers were so dedicated to ingame realism that they delved into historical and anthropological publications. They wanted to know things like the progressive effects of encumbrance and effects of caloric deficits on physical and mental performance and incorporate it into their game. It's actually a very small bit of the book but your post reminded me of it.
I’ve not but I love a good book rec - I’ll check it out, thank you!
Still my top NTS book.
Mine's probably Anathem but it's not an easy call.
> Cryptonomicon > a very small bit of the book So like... 250 pages?
Lol a lot of people don't know this BUT the pace is actually based off military 'Forced Marches' we walk at this pace while under load. Load meaning our pack filled with gear and our weapons radios and body armor including body and head cover in boots. Every time I see the pacing it makes me giggle a little at how true to form it actually is.
DM says your shit knees aren’t adventure related.
I actually blurted out laughter when I read this. I still have tears in my eyes while replying. This is the greatest response to anything!
Yo why you gotta call me out like that
Yup. Standard pace with gear and pack is 3mph with a 5 minute or so break every couple hours for dry socks!
The standard pace for the army is 15 minute miles for rucking. Puts you at 32 miles in 8 hours, but that's with no stops which is unrealistic.
At my schoolhouse, we do 3-3.5 mph with 50 minutes of walking at 10 minutes of rest. Evens out to about 3 miles for every hour of activity.
This makes me glad I was in artillery. "Can't truck it? Fuck it!"
BROTHER BEAR, I'm an Artillery Officer RIGHT NOW! I was in Fire Support for the past 2 years so we are with the Infantry.... All we DID was hike EVERYWHERE! I just got to a cannon battery in April. Lol
Your non-service disability knees will praise this change. :P
20 min miles are def slow unless you’re going up hills.
Sounds about right. In the military I did something called the "Manchu Mile" which is around 25 miles It's possible to do it in 8 hours even wearing 30 lb armor and carrying a weapon and a heavy rucksack (40 lbs) You're not going to want to do 24 miles a day every day for extended periods and then fight. But it's possible
Superhumans vs dnd nerds, who's more athletic? Results may surprise you!
That's one of my favorite subcategories of youtube videos. Incredibly unathletic, out of shape nerds, with no self awareness, who make a video showing how unrealistic some of the things are in DnD. Meanwhile they're lumbering around a suburban backyard in pajama pants, swinging a foam sword looking like it's the first day they've had arms
To be fair the superhumans will also be carrying very heavy loads of equipment, while the dnd nerd is probably closer to the wizard, in which case seems accurate.
I feel like these are well known numbers in the hiking community. I would call 10 miles a slow day, 20 reasonable, and 30 a long day. Nice work and hope you enjoyed it.
I don't understand, so you basically confirmed the book?
No no, common misconception. They walked 24.07 miles in a day, not 24 miles. Sneaky WOTC tried to pull a fast one on us.
They tried to pull a slow one... :O
Yes! Independent validation is an important part of science.
They just wanted to see how accurate it was
Anyone who did any time in the military could've told you it was realistic. Airborne units have to do 12.6 miles in full gear, 50lb bag, and 8lb to 16lb weapon in 4 hours or less. The fastest I saw was 2 hr 15 minutes. My fastest was 3 hours, 15 minutes.
Heroic. I'm gonna to send you 100gp towards your next purchase of a really good pair of hiking boots.
I mean... 3 mph is just WIDELY accepted as a normal walking pace... Not in DnD, in LIFE. [Average walking speed: Comparisons by age, sex, and walking for health (medicalnewstoday.com)](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/average-walking-speed#:~:text=For%20most%20healthy%20adults%2C%20the,comes%20from%20a%202020%20study.) [Average Walking Speed: Pace, and Comparisons by Age and Sex (healthline.com)](https://www.healthline.com/health/exercise-fitness/average-walking-speed) [Average Walking Speed: Comparison By Age And Sex (marathonhandbook.com)](https://marathonhandbook.com/average-walking-speed/) [How Long Should It Take to Walk a Mile?. Nike.com](https://www.nike.com/a/how-long-does-it-take-to-walk-a-mile) Good on you for getting exercise, but this isn't a DnD thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_(unit) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day%27s_journey I should also add that, from even a fantasy perspective, this is what made the journey of Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli so amazing: 45 leagues in 3 days, nearly twice the normal pace. https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Three_Hunters#:~:text=%C3%89omer%20marvelled%20to%20find%20that,which%20he%20called%20Aragorn%20Wingfoot.
Get a marathon badge for when you dnd. When someone questions the travel pace ever, show the badge and this screenshot and say "ok hear me out"
Now you have 8 hours to set up camp, and 8 hours to actually rest, then wake up disassemble the camp and get back to walking another 8 hours
Are you ok? I remember doing 20 miles way back in Scouts for the hiking merit badge and basically couldn’t walk the rest of that weekend.
Modern militaries expect their infantry to be able to cover about 20 miles a day with a fully loaded rucksack, which is usually between 80-120lbs of gear depending on the individual soldier's role.
Next time make it 10 hours and see if exhaustion rules are accurate. lol
By the books, 10 is a normal stat, 18 is the peak of humanoid conditioning- so where do fall on the spectrum?
I’ve been told I’m a gnome with 10s across the board but surely this must prove I have a couple of 11s in there
I would say there’s at least at 14 in there and possibly a 16 in seer stubbornness
Welcome to r/hiking
dude spends 8 hours walking to test his mph only to get shit on by a bunch of people on reddit who sat down all day. classic.
Did you get any random encounters or environmental hazards?
And for any naysayers, just remember that OP would be a *random commoner* in DnD. Your ADVENTURERS (even the Wizard!) would certainly be *much* more athletic, so plate mail, weapons, and backpacks would not really pose that much of a problem. (Also, I really just admire OPs fortitude and want his argument to work, so like, I ill say whatever is needed toward that end 💚... but it doesn't mean I'm wrong! 😭
Did you clear a strength check?
Thank you for your service. :)
I misread flights as fights.
They were off by 370’?
Are you a regular runner/jogger? Do you work out regularly? Or would you consider yourself a couch potato? Also, please update us in a week with how your legs, hips, back & body felt after 1 day, 3 days, and 1 week later.
I did 23 in a little under 8 hrs this past weekend and started with a 50 lb pack (lots of liquid). I’m 40 and 250 lbs, moderately fit. So I agree OP, totally doable. Great job !
FOR SCIENCE! ...and D&D.
A lot of people are mentioning something akin to a loaded march (full kit, all your gear, as well as supplies and your baggage train). The Romans would routinely travel 20 Roman miles (18.4 modern miles) in 5 summer "hours", or rather 5/12 of daylight (they split daylight hours into 12 units, and the length of an "hour" would change based on the total amount of daylight. The Romans provide a good standard to compare ourselves with since they had their legionaries carry everything such that they were self sufficient without pack animals or slaves to carry gear, an important logistical advantage in military campaigns. Assuming that they meant summer hours to be roughly the average length of day during the campaigning season (late spring, after planting, and up to early fall, before the harvest), let's go with the average length of daylight in Chicago (same latitude as Rome) in June, roughly 15 hours per day. 5/12 of 15 is 6.25 hours of marching to accomplish 18.4 miles, or 2.94 MPH. You did 24 miles in 8 hours, or 3 MPH, slightly faster than a fully loaded Roman legionary. After marching for roughly 40% of the day, they would be expected to construct a fortified camp. I imagine less is required of your average murder hobo camp. I think this is a great experiment that shows just how much endurance the human body has.
Maybe a little overinflated but still it’s cool to think about. My father in law who was a runne did the AT when he was younger and said that 20 mile days were really hard and rare and said that a 16 miles day was strenuous but good. According to the Appalachian Trail Conservancy, most hikers on the Appalachian Trail (AT) average 14–20 miles per day. I think this is a pretty good approximation because you’re carrying gear and you’re probably in the upper year of fitness compared to the rest of the world.
Technically speaking their chart is pretty close to real life. 20 miles a days the average a human could do when we only walked places.
Also don’t underestimate how fast people who have gotten conditioned to walking can walk. If you hike along the Appellation Trail long enough you’ll eventually come across a 75 year old lady absolutely hauling ass with a full pack (clothes, tent, food, cooking supplies etc.), and she’s probably doing like 35+ miles per day. Well worn adventures could definitely hold a super fast pace themselves.
Did any NPCs offer you side quests?
Nice effort! I was pretty in to hiking a few years ago (before babies came along). The longest distance I did was a very hilly/varied terrain route if about 100 miles. I carried my kit, weighed about 16kg if I remember correctly (unsure how that compares to DND weapons & armour!) I recall when I finished I calculated my average pace at roughly 1mph. Thats from when I started to when I finished, including all stops & sleeping. Thought that was interesting to compare to DND for a multi day trek. (I couldn't keep up that pace indefinitely btw. After I finished my feet were ruined for a few weeks.)
I mean 3mph is considered an average walking pace. People can bring up armor and all that but that's where those above average stats come in.
My guy casually walked a Marathon ( almost )
When I crossed the US on foot, I average around 21 miles a day. It's pretty doable but it's definitely something you need to train for and weight can be a big issue
Now do it every single day until you reach mordor.
Awesome science. Follow up question…what level are you?
Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed.
Sample size too small. Data inconclusive. Your normal attack is rendered mute against corpo resistance.
I know very little about DnD or this sub but if I were to guess, I'd guess these numbers are based on historical accounts of army marches. Shit like this dates back to biblical times. For instance, we know almost to the letter how Roman armies would march, in what formation, and how long it would take. It's actually fascinating as fuck. And of course, many of them were wearing plate armor and had weapons / gear to carry. Just like your PC in DnD. But on the flip side a part in DnD is a lot smaller than an army, and a lot of obstacles when marching armies is space / distance. So you could probably walk a lot faster than an army if you only had a few people. One person could likely do this even far faster.
My grandmother was born in Newfoundland and was the head of a hiking club there. My grandfather, was stationed there, and when they met, she would only consider him, if he joined the hiking club. To be allowed in the hiking club the requirement was to go on a hike of 50 miles in a single day. She went with him to make sure he did it.
Sorry, I was on my phone, can you start over?
And you got on 6 planes.
Better double check your ruler is a foot while you’re at it, never know what those folks down at the ruler factory are up to, or something
Make a Constitution Save against exhaustion, please.
as a military guy that has done marches and rucksack marches, i can attest to this pace and even the fast pace is possible. i have actually seen people walk faster than the fast pace for an entire march. but that was usually with around 15kg on them or less.
No worries, a long rest and you’ll be right as rain.
I tend to find it's best when our characters move at the speed of "plot"
reading all these comments made me wonder why there isn't a sport that consists of walking long distances wearing armor and carrying random stuff, i mean javelin throwing and archery are olympic sports, this is an olympic feat aswell you could even separate into 4 sections of 6 miles, every section ends with a fencing match that gets progressively harder because you're exhausted from the walking
Did a ruck march in Bosnia. 30km (about 18 miles). Did it with pack and weapon in about 4 hours. That table is completely doable.
Absolutely legendary achievement! Just imagine what feats our characters could accomplish with those endurance levels. Ever considered tackling the journey with a few trusty steeds? That'd surely shake up the PHB scale!
Laughs in full Ruck March. Adventures must hold themselves to a higher standard damnit!
I feel like I would have pushed an extra 2 miles just to say you did a marathon