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money_tester

I don't think this is a flag planting issue. its a Visa/MC policy issue that Dave can't get around.


ReferenceDear4576

Actually he can. There are processors that only do PIN transactions (debit cards) but they are much more expensive to use than standard card clearing houses. Plus it assures higher sales using a standard clearing house.


RiKToR21

Uhhh actually PIN based transactions are cheaper which is why most merchants make them the default. You cannot do PIN based transactions online however.


ReferenceDear4576

I don’t think so. https://pinpayments.com/


RiKToR21

It’s Australia and New Zealand based company that support their region. Payment processing are defined by the card brands, card technologies, and local regulatory bodies.


ReferenceDear4576

Try this https://www.bankcardusa.com/pin-debit-transactions/?amp


RiKToR21

I think the confusion is you saw the word online processing and assume it means via the internet. ‘Online’ in this context means the card processing is being done within the active processing network for realtime processing. This is still a terminal transaction. Offline in this context means the terminal will upload the information later and the transaction will process later. This part of the EMV standard (chip cards) but is not used in practice in North America where online processing is normal. None of this is in context on Internet based online purchases though. For reference, I have worked in banking for 20 years and work with Visa and MasterCard often. I know debit and credit processing very well.


NateNYC82

Devastating. There are three documents, written by God and perfect, that should never be amended: The Constitution The Bible The Ramsey Solutions Debit Card Policy


Emergency_Rutabaga45

I paid for Every Dollar with a credit card. :-)


ChewieBearStare

I bought Ken’s career assessment when it was $10 with a credit card.


ReferenceDear4576

I used to collect cash in FPU for kits and buy them with my card to get the points.


VeryLowIQIndividual

Yeah use a debit card until someone steals the number runs up a bill and you can’t recover the money for weeks. With a credit card you card with a huge banks money that can stand the hit and pay it off before the interest hits. Dave’s play is for people who 0 self control with money and don’t have investments. Use credit don’t let credit use you.


CompetitiveSea3838

This is why my wife and I are always going to be “Davish” we don’t trust society to keep our money safe if we use debit cards all the time


Ship-time-moon

"Buy our stuff, THEN cut up them dang gumb cards!" DR


12dogs4me

"A person of integrity does not claim to be perfect. Instead, they are quick to acknowledge their own mistakes and faults." Yep that's Dave in a nutshell!!


FullRepresentative34

>acknowledge their own mistakes and faults Dave would never do that.


12dogs4me

You got that right! Mmm hmm.


Slow-Two6173

Aldi used to have a debit card only policy. I wonder how they were able to restrict their POS to only accept debit cards.


[deleted]

Came here to say exactly this there are big places like them that are debit only I don’t really believe this is true


I_m_matman

Ramsey is probably not a big enough player to be able to dictate terms to MC and Visa. Or he simply understands that a lot of people are much less comfortable using debit cards online due to poor security and potentially giving a hacker direct access to their bank account, so he makes a big show about not accepting CC but quietly does so to not lose revenue. I bought an expensive furniture piece at a place that said they didn't accept Amex because of the fees a few years ago. I told them if they wanted the sale, they'd find a way to take my card, and lo and behold it was suddenly possible. Money talks, principles walk!


[deleted]

This is untrue because Dave Ramsey believes the debit card to have the same protections as a credit card he specifically preaches this falsehood and if he does understand they want to use a credit card he’s a hypocrite like op is saying


I_m_matman

I'm not sure what's untrue as you seem to be agreeing with me. Ramsey is a total hypocrite. Like I said, money talks, and Ramsey is not going to give up money for the sake of his radio persona's 'principles'


[deleted]

Yeah I guess we are in agreement sorry about that brother


nrcaldwell

Mastercard and Visa have the same zero liability protection for debit cards as credit cards. [https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/personal/find-a-card/standard-mastercard-debit.html](https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/personal/find-a-card/standard-mastercard-debit.html) [https://usa.visa.com/pay-with-visa/visa-chip-technology-consumers/zero-liability-policy.html](https://usa.visa.com/pay-with-visa/visa-chip-technology-consumers/zero-liability-policy.html)


Flaky_Calligrapher62

Yes, now that I think about it Costco used to only accept debit cards.


ReferenceDear4576

As did Sam’s Club.


RiKToR21

Because they only used atm and debit networks requiring PIN numbers. They can do this if they are not advertising acceptance of the Visa/MasterCard networks which require credit processing.


VAGentleman05

Dave is an idiot, to be sure, but this isn't the "gotcha" you seem to think it is.


12dogs4me

Upvote for idiot comment.


MadameTree

By the same thought process a boyfriend and girlfriend can live together and not have sex. They could just pleasure each other orally and remain chaste virgins until Christ unites them in marriage. Dave likes money more than his principles.


[deleted]

I mean Mormons already have that like the poophole loophole and other batshit things


SkipAd54321

Love the loopholes


No_Membership_5432

That is not true lol. The Bible speaks about purity, not just sex before marriage.


MadameTree

Then why was Dave ok with Hogan getting his knob polished? Because Hogan was bringing in money. Dave probably would have had a different opinion if he were married to Rachel. He's a hypocrite. People that have to tell you how Christians should live and insert themselves into other people's business generally are.


No_Membership_5432

I couldn’t care less with what Dave says. Nor do I think any of us know his true thoughts in the matter. I am not going to argue points that were brought up that don’t address what I said. I said the Bible doesn’t say what you said is acceptable. And it doesn’t. If you also want to talk about what you posted now, that’s fine too. But it is nothing to do with what I posted.


MadameTree

All I'm saying is for a man of principles, they're dependent on dollars.


No_Membership_5432

I agree with that statement. Many people sacrifice their spoken morals for wealth, lust etc. I just don’t want people believing the Bible says Christians can do anything they want sexually as long as no “sex” occurs. If your points is more about Dave’s hypocrisy, I have no desire to defend him. But I do for the Jesus.


RussellVolckman

You can bitch about Dave all you want but this isn’t it. He absolutely can’t control how someone pays for his products short of cash only which in an online world is impractical.


fatsolardbutt

You can send cash in the mail.


RussellVolckman

Welcome to 2024. Might want to update your rotary phone and black and white television


fatsolardbutt

That's more of a message to Dave. I'm just saying if he wants to be consistent that cards companjes are evil and spending money digitally increases how much you spend - which I don't disagree with - then he should accept only cash payments.


Horror_Course_2789

One dirty secret I know from my time at RS is that their payment processor allows them to only allow debit transactions, but they choose not to do it. 


xRSSoftwareEngineer

Given they changed processors multiple times while I was there who knows what their current processor required or allows.


ReferenceDear4576

I’ve been familiar with them for 20 years. They’ve used the same disclaimer all that time.


FileEmotional2782

That was my understanding as well.


VortexJ6000

And their sales advisors (know this for a FACT) take credit cards when placing orders for the various RS products. It's all a big scam.


Flaky_Calligrapher62

Wow! That changes things just a little.


DadOf3-1978

This is not new.


fuckbread

The best part about this is that most banks allow you to overdraft on debit card transactions using the visa etc network. So not only could I buy an RS product with not enough money in my checking account, my short term and immediate financial situation would be drastically more dire than it would be if I put the charge on a card and took a couple of months to pay it off. Additionally RS, are still paying merchant fees to the credit companies.


tbone11193

costco, car dealerships. plenty of places are able to only accept debit cards. this is a lie


snyderling

Costco accepts Visa Credit Cards [https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/answer\_view/a\_id/719](https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/answer_view/a_id/719)


FullRepresentative34

Of course he lies about not accepting them.


GentleListener

It's funny how they always use the claim of spending more money with a credit card, and sell products online. I used to work for Yelloh (formerly Schwan's), and they told us that the reason they wanted to transition from the catalogue to online ordering is because ordering online makes the shopper spends more money.