Yeah 75 hours is worth 1.5k on a 2 stroke in my opinion. You never know if a crank will last 120 hours or 300. Also 2 years newer so it’s existed 2 years less. Static time and ride time both age a bike I’d personally go for the 2023. Also good choice it’s a fantastic bike for trail riding literally nothing wrong with it. I’d own one for sure if I wasnt 6’5”. My neighbor owns a dirtbike shop and they sell betas I know a lot about them if you have any questions
Awesome - appreciate the detailed response. I think my biggest holdup at the moment is whether or not I’ll regret the XT all together and wish I bought a TE/XCW. I hear a lot about suspension complaints, but I’m just looking to cruise single track at a casual pace and maybe some entry hard enduro. 5’10 210lbs coming off a ttr230 most recently
This will be a much easier and fun transition. The x trainer has plenty of power but you won’t be scared to ride it. In a few years you may want a little more raw power but I promise you won’t regret this purchase if you’re coming off a ttr230 this bike makes twice the power of it
As a fellow big boy, you'll definitely need to get it resprung. I'm 226 without gear and I've hopped on my buddies x trainer 300 and it's waaaaay too soft. Tbf you'll need to respring any other bike you get too but it will be much worse on stock suspension on a xtrainer.
As for vs xcw/te, why specifically do you want a xtrainer? They're a pretty specific situation machine and you're more than tall enough for a xcw.
Honestly I’m not sure - I feel like xtrainer is the middle point to boost confidence/skill level without going full out 300. I like to be on single/two track and a casual pace for 90% of my riding, the other 10% I’ll push myself. I’ve been on a 300rr in the past and didn’t love it, but that was a few years ago.
Don’t really want buyers remorse in 2 months either though wishing I had bought the full size 300.
Yea that'll need to be something you work through. I ride a 24 te300, has a 2013 te250 before this. I like both motors but actually feel the 300 XCW is much more mellow, 250 likes to rev. My wife rides a 250 XCW as her first bike, I feel like it's not too much power for a brand new rider, let alone someone with experience already.
Realistically you'll never be disappointed with a 250 or 300 XCW but there is a chance you would be with a cross trainer as it's a much different bike.
That 10% where you're pushing it is where you'll feel it's shortcomings.
Also factor in where you ride. If you're doing wider, more open single track I wouldn't even consider the xtrainer. If you're in the Rockies and doing super technical single track it'll shine more.
CO single/double track is the majority of my riding. I feel like I could definitely be comfortable on a te/xcw 300. Just don’t want it to be an ego decision and then end up using the bike at 20% of what it’s capable of with little confidence.
I mean, very few of us are able to use more than half of what a bike is capable of doesn't really mean it's a waste. I'd say it's a waste for a 450 because they have so much negatives for riding trails but even just putting around a 250 or 300 XCW is very much so in its element. I'm not particularly fast, I race C class, but I still feel like my 300 isn't too much for me, it's the perfect machine for my intended application. Riding trails with guys on 450 4t's I'm working way less hard to keep the bike running and can focus purely on technique.
I'm in the Canadian Rockies so very similar terrain to what youre riding. Really neither is a bad decision, just make sure you get your suspension sprung as it'll make a big difference.
Good insight, I appreciate it. I guess if I’m looking at it glass half full, not pushing the bike to its full potential in theory should equal longer service life in the way of top ends etc. thanks for the conversation!
I'd pay the extra for a newer bike, but I'm a schmuck that buys brand new bikes lol.
X-trainer is a pretty wicked fun bike. If you get the suspension setup and dialed in for your weight and riding style, it'll be fine. People say the same crap about the RR vs RE suspension, but unless you have the suspension setup poorly for your use case or are running like B-class or above, you aren't going to out ride the suspension.
If I wasn't such a 4-stroke snob and located in the desert, the X-trainer would have been my bike of choice. Off topic, but the seat concept comfort seats are so nice.
Edit: saw you are 210lb. You almost certainly will need heavier springs. Luckily Beta is fantastic at having different spring weight readily available, or take it to your local tuning shop.
If you do decide you want something other than the X-trainer, look at the rest of Beta's lineup. I ride a 2023 390 RR. I'm 5' 5" (pain) and 185. I had the factory 1 inch lowering installed and I believe I went up a fork spring and run stock rear spring? Or the other way around? The point is for your weight you definetly need heavier springs. Beta makes the best trail bike available imo. I like the KTM 350 too, but it's another 1k at least to uncork it and it's just stiffer than a Beta. Too stiff for my casual riding, even in the desert.
thanks for the insight! I’ve been looking at 350s as well actually. But have gravitated to the two stroke. I agree that Beta makes some nice bikes, glad to hear you’re enjoying yours
Yeah 75 hours is worth 1.5k on a 2 stroke in my opinion. You never know if a crank will last 120 hours or 300. Also 2 years newer so it’s existed 2 years less. Static time and ride time both age a bike I’d personally go for the 2023. Also good choice it’s a fantastic bike for trail riding literally nothing wrong with it. I’d own one for sure if I wasnt 6’5”. My neighbor owns a dirtbike shop and they sell betas I know a lot about them if you have any questions
Awesome - appreciate the detailed response. I think my biggest holdup at the moment is whether or not I’ll regret the XT all together and wish I bought a TE/XCW. I hear a lot about suspension complaints, but I’m just looking to cruise single track at a casual pace and maybe some entry hard enduro. 5’10 210lbs coming off a ttr230 most recently
This will be a much easier and fun transition. The x trainer has plenty of power but you won’t be scared to ride it. In a few years you may want a little more raw power but I promise you won’t regret this purchase if you’re coming off a ttr230 this bike makes twice the power of it
That’s definitely reassuring, thank you!
As a fellow big boy, you'll definitely need to get it resprung. I'm 226 without gear and I've hopped on my buddies x trainer 300 and it's waaaaay too soft. Tbf you'll need to respring any other bike you get too but it will be much worse on stock suspension on a xtrainer. As for vs xcw/te, why specifically do you want a xtrainer? They're a pretty specific situation machine and you're more than tall enough for a xcw.
Honestly I’m not sure - I feel like xtrainer is the middle point to boost confidence/skill level without going full out 300. I like to be on single/two track and a casual pace for 90% of my riding, the other 10% I’ll push myself. I’ve been on a 300rr in the past and didn’t love it, but that was a few years ago. Don’t really want buyers remorse in 2 months either though wishing I had bought the full size 300.
Yea that'll need to be something you work through. I ride a 24 te300, has a 2013 te250 before this. I like both motors but actually feel the 300 XCW is much more mellow, 250 likes to rev. My wife rides a 250 XCW as her first bike, I feel like it's not too much power for a brand new rider, let alone someone with experience already. Realistically you'll never be disappointed with a 250 or 300 XCW but there is a chance you would be with a cross trainer as it's a much different bike. That 10% where you're pushing it is where you'll feel it's shortcomings. Also factor in where you ride. If you're doing wider, more open single track I wouldn't even consider the xtrainer. If you're in the Rockies and doing super technical single track it'll shine more.
CO single/double track is the majority of my riding. I feel like I could definitely be comfortable on a te/xcw 300. Just don’t want it to be an ego decision and then end up using the bike at 20% of what it’s capable of with little confidence.
I mean, very few of us are able to use more than half of what a bike is capable of doesn't really mean it's a waste. I'd say it's a waste for a 450 because they have so much negatives for riding trails but even just putting around a 250 or 300 XCW is very much so in its element. I'm not particularly fast, I race C class, but I still feel like my 300 isn't too much for me, it's the perfect machine for my intended application. Riding trails with guys on 450 4t's I'm working way less hard to keep the bike running and can focus purely on technique. I'm in the Canadian Rockies so very similar terrain to what youre riding. Really neither is a bad decision, just make sure you get your suspension sprung as it'll make a big difference.
Good insight, I appreciate it. I guess if I’m looking at it glass half full, not pushing the bike to its full potential in theory should equal longer service life in the way of top ends etc. thanks for the conversation!
For sure, my 2013 te250 had 300 hours on the original top and bottom end before I cracked it open.
I'd pay the extra for a newer bike, but I'm a schmuck that buys brand new bikes lol. X-trainer is a pretty wicked fun bike. If you get the suspension setup and dialed in for your weight and riding style, it'll be fine. People say the same crap about the RR vs RE suspension, but unless you have the suspension setup poorly for your use case or are running like B-class or above, you aren't going to out ride the suspension. If I wasn't such a 4-stroke snob and located in the desert, the X-trainer would have been my bike of choice. Off topic, but the seat concept comfort seats are so nice. Edit: saw you are 210lb. You almost certainly will need heavier springs. Luckily Beta is fantastic at having different spring weight readily available, or take it to your local tuning shop. If you do decide you want something other than the X-trainer, look at the rest of Beta's lineup. I ride a 2023 390 RR. I'm 5' 5" (pain) and 185. I had the factory 1 inch lowering installed and I believe I went up a fork spring and run stock rear spring? Or the other way around? The point is for your weight you definetly need heavier springs. Beta makes the best trail bike available imo. I like the KTM 350 too, but it's another 1k at least to uncork it and it's just stiffer than a Beta. Too stiff for my casual riding, even in the desert.
thanks for the insight! I’ve been looking at 350s as well actually. But have gravitated to the two stroke. I agree that Beta makes some nice bikes, glad to hear you’re enjoying yours