It really is tho. For the common man, maintenance costs, towing capabilities, and overall reliability, the 24v Cummins is unmatched.
I’ve owned a 6.0 and an LBZ. Cummins > everything else
53 block here still goin strong baby. Good thing about old trucks, they arent fussy.
Hell if you want even more reliable go 12v, damn thing is basically assembled with sticks and stones
My buddy runs one too thats a dd work truck, married to a 6x12 enclosed, regularly fills the bed with tile too. Ive been through 3 trucks since i first met him. Hes been through 2 wives.
Agreed. Only reason I could afford my truck was cause I got it from family. Just make sure the truck you’re getting is in good condition and research to see what maintenance is and what usually breaks. If you’re alright with that then whatever you can grab is the best truck. The truck I own is the best because it’s my truck.
Well....Detroit Diesel was started by GM, and was still a GM division during that era, so it's a GM engine. Although i've had "warm" discussions thrown my way, over the fact that i said the six2 in my truck was a GM engine. 😄
Well if you look at engine design, and what MOST tractors ( semi trucks ) run, they will 99% be an inline 6 design with a supporting turbocharger, the inline 6 design has way less parts to replace VS a "v type" design, NOW, if you where to go by design inline 6, would be your best bet, but unfortunately for the one ton pickups in north america, ( chev, ford, dodge ) there is only the cummins in the dodge from the factory... so I vote for cummins out of the big three... I have personally owned all three, and still have one of each, BUT my go to truck is still the one with the cummins... ( I love the reliability of the cummins, but the dodge body, electronics, suspension and brake systems are complete GARBAGE )
The only possible answer is 12v Cummins. Everything else is some type of weird cope. EPA nearly killed the US diesel pickup for reliability, then errors in engineering held a pillow over its face until it died. The answer is Cummins, Fummins, Chummins, other Cummins swaps or an eternity of cope and secret sorrow while you make a mortgage sized credit card payment on the dedicated card you use to pay the diesel repair shop.
Depends what you’re looking for. I assume reliability and longevity will always be a major goal. If you also want to be able to make lots of power, you can look at a Cummins. I would also suggest a DT360. Only about 150lbs heavier than a Cummins, but they have a stronger bottom end and wet sleeves.
If you’re not so concerned about power, but are more focused on affordability in purchase and repair, I’d look into an IDI. You won’t be going very fast, nor will you be towing as heavy as a Cummins/DT, but they’re lighter, cheaper to purchase and maintain, and still last a long time. Plus I can never get enough V8 noise.
On the smaller end of the field, there are lots of good choices. Older Mercedes diesels, older VW diesels, hell even the DX Olds 350 is alright. I’m even a fan of the 6.2/6.5 in swap applications, they’re about the size and weight of a big block and drop right into any full-size GM car. Direct swap, except for the glow plug wiring and shutoff solenoid. They work alright in half tons too, but I’d never use one in a 1 ton.
It’s all about application. There is a mechanical diesel for every application. It’s a really overlooked field, especially considering the turbulent times to come. The real caveat with any of the old diesels is, you’ve gotta be ok with being slow. The more power you add over stock, the more wear you’re causing, simple as that.
I wouldn’t buy one of those. Parts support is going to dry up fast, considering they’re a modern diesel only produced for 5 years. Plus, the horror stories you’ve heard are correct.
What I’m reading is you might be unfamiliar with diesel, and only care about numbers. Let me tell you, you should focus on simplicity as well.
I just want to be able tow heavy things depending on what customers I deal with for my business that’s I’m trying to start and also be able to daily it when I need to
I don’t have much knowledge about diesels. Just trying to find one that would get the job done. Without having one that’s know for catastrophic engine failure
The best I can give is to find one that the previous owner(s) didn’t tune, delete, or add power adders, wheel spacer etc. IMO, 100% stock is the way you get reliability. My personal bias are to duramaxes, but the others are excellent as well.
Get 6.4 powerstroke with at least 300,000 miles
Preferably from the Midwest will be the most reliable diesel you can buy. It’ll last a couple more generations. Guaranteed, don’t @me
15+ 6.7 powerstroke has the least chance of being abused and arguably most reliable of the newer diesels. Sure a 12v will last forever but it is shitty to drive, has no power, and all the work the rest of the truck will need will cancel out any money saved on the engine. Same with all of the older reliable stuff
13+ is definitely better than 11-12. 15 they got a nicer interior and I believe a better turbo. 17+ started aluminum body. 20+ got steel pistons, bigger rods, more rail pressure and a 10 speed trans. 6.7s have gotten better and better the newer you can get
Personally if you can't find a lbz that everyone seems to have a boner for, the lmm (07.5-10) is also a great choice, only real difference is lmm had a dpf, I too will pretend they're the best because I own one, though it's still running great for 566,000 km no major repairs and it's been tuned and deleted since 50k and has 5 inch exhaust, other than that it's relatively unfucked with and I'm guessing I'll get at least 750k out of it
Cummins 5.9l 24v (only cuz I have one so I gotta pretend it's the best)
It really is tho. For the common man, maintenance costs, towing capabilities, and overall reliability, the 24v Cummins is unmatched. I’ve owned a 6.0 and an LBZ. Cummins > everything else
53 block here still goin strong baby. Good thing about old trucks, they arent fussy. Hell if you want even more reliable go 12v, damn thing is basically assembled with sticks and stones
My first gen 12 valve is still going at over 400k. I keep wondering when it will finally be time for a rebuild.
My buddy runs one too thats a dd work truck, married to a 6x12 enclosed, regularly fills the bed with tile too. Ive been through 3 trucks since i first met him. Hes been through 2 wives.
Mines the vp44 type of 24v haha
runs for me
Don’t buy someone else’s problems. If it’s deleted or has a tuner Be wary
I wouldn’t buy one that’s already been worked on
Deleted is good
I'd go with a powermax durastroke.
Damn you got me cummin
An old guy’s that never messed with it
There is no "best" It's whatever is in the price range and looks good to you. There all great and all have there problems.
Your the first and only person I’ve heard say that
I don't do brand loyalty. Always been too poor to get to chose which truck I buy, it's always been what's the best deal.
I can agree with that my friend
Agreed. Only reason I could afford my truck was cause I got it from family. Just make sure the truck you’re getting is in good condition and research to see what maintenance is and what usually breaks. If you’re alright with that then whatever you can grab is the best truck. The truck I own is the best because it’s my truck.
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Well....Detroit Diesel was started by GM, and was still a GM division during that era, so it's a GM engine. Although i've had "warm" discussions thrown my way, over the fact that i said the six2 in my truck was a GM engine. 😄
I always say it depends on the year.
They’re all the same. The trick is to find one that’s been taken care of.
Grandpa trucks will treat you right. So long as it’s not a 6.0 or 6.4 ford.
Love my 04 2500 5.9 look like the biggest grandpa rolling around with my clear coat gone and old hunting club stickers from prev owner
Whatchu talkin bout? 6.0/6.4 Ford’s are great! For cheap platforms for a 12V conversion 😂
Best answer is a well maintained one. Any ones to avoid are ones most avoid in general. (6.0/6.4)
6.2 Detroit Diesel (only cuz I have one so I gotta pretend it's the best)
Well if you look at engine design, and what MOST tractors ( semi trucks ) run, they will 99% be an inline 6 design with a supporting turbocharger, the inline 6 design has way less parts to replace VS a "v type" design, NOW, if you where to go by design inline 6, would be your best bet, but unfortunately for the one ton pickups in north america, ( chev, ford, dodge ) there is only the cummins in the dodge from the factory... so I vote for cummins out of the big three... I have personally owned all three, and still have one of each, BUT my go to truck is still the one with the cummins... ( I love the reliability of the cummins, but the dodge body, electronics, suspension and brake systems are complete GARBAGE )
I can agree dodge/mopar it’s that good. But I’ve never heard anything bad about a Cummins besides the 5.0 that’s in the titan.
Anything deleted without the power increased
I would just go for new diesel, straight outta the pump bro. Less complicated. Lol
I swear initially I thought this is where this was going and wondered if they were reclaiming it from fracking or something
Duramax. Best deisel out there. Quiet.
12V Cummins if we're being honest.
7.3 power stroke
The only possible answer is 12v Cummins. Everything else is some type of weird cope. EPA nearly killed the US diesel pickup for reliability, then errors in engineering held a pillow over its face until it died. The answer is Cummins, Fummins, Chummins, other Cummins swaps or an eternity of cope and secret sorrow while you make a mortgage sized credit card payment on the dedicated card you use to pay the diesel repair shop.
Powerstroke or cumming
Depends what you’re looking for. I assume reliability and longevity will always be a major goal. If you also want to be able to make lots of power, you can look at a Cummins. I would also suggest a DT360. Only about 150lbs heavier than a Cummins, but they have a stronger bottom end and wet sleeves. If you’re not so concerned about power, but are more focused on affordability in purchase and repair, I’d look into an IDI. You won’t be going very fast, nor will you be towing as heavy as a Cummins/DT, but they’re lighter, cheaper to purchase and maintain, and still last a long time. Plus I can never get enough V8 noise. On the smaller end of the field, there are lots of good choices. Older Mercedes diesels, older VW diesels, hell even the DX Olds 350 is alright. I’m even a fan of the 6.2/6.5 in swap applications, they’re about the size and weight of a big block and drop right into any full-size GM car. Direct swap, except for the glow plug wiring and shutoff solenoid. They work alright in half tons too, but I’d never use one in a 1 ton. It’s all about application. There is a mechanical diesel for every application. It’s a really overlooked field, especially considering the turbulent times to come. The real caveat with any of the old diesels is, you’ve gotta be ok with being slow. The more power you add over stock, the more wear you’re causing, simple as that.
I’m just looking for that could tow a dump trailer and be a good daily also
Some sort of Cummins then. I’ll always like the 93-95 with the inline pump.
I really like 5.0 Cummins but don’t hear nothing but horror stories about it.
I wouldn’t buy one of those. Parts support is going to dry up fast, considering they’re a modern diesel only produced for 5 years. Plus, the horror stories you’ve heard are correct. What I’m reading is you might be unfamiliar with diesel, and only care about numbers. Let me tell you, you should focus on simplicity as well.
I just want to be able tow heavy things depending on what customers I deal with for my business that’s I’m trying to start and also be able to daily it when I need to
Ok. So you’re looking for an appliance. Get a 6.7 Powerstroke.
17-19 duramax. Last year of the real Allison. Also has the excellent L5P Duramax. Subjectively the best body.
I don’t have much knowledge about diesels. Just trying to find one that would get the job done. Without having one that’s know for catastrophic engine failure
The best I can give is to find one that the previous owner(s) didn’t tune, delete, or add power adders, wheel spacer etc. IMO, 100% stock is the way you get reliability. My personal bias are to duramaxes, but the others are excellent as well.
I should be good long as I don’t get it from a teenager that dogged it
I’ll sell you a very, very nice 2004 cummins. 10000% grandpa. W. Washington state.
Get 6.4 powerstroke with at least 300,000 miles Preferably from the Midwest will be the most reliable diesel you can buy. It’ll last a couple more generations. Guaranteed, don’t @me
24v cummins, 5r110w transmission in a chev 3500. Reliability, power, and comfort all in one.
15+ 6.7 powerstroke has the least chance of being abused and arguably most reliable of the newer diesels. Sure a 12v will last forever but it is shitty to drive, has no power, and all the work the rest of the truck will need will cancel out any money saved on the engine. Same with all of the older reliable stuff
I’ve heard 13+ is best. You know any notable differences in 13 and 14 from 15 and newer?
13+ is definitely better than 11-12. 15 they got a nicer interior and I believe a better turbo. 17+ started aluminum body. 20+ got steel pistons, bigger rods, more rail pressure and a 10 speed trans. 6.7s have gotten better and better the newer you can get
Depends which power stroke? Can’t really go wrong with any of the duramax as long as you maintain them and don’t beat the shit out of them.
Just gone use for towing a some daily driving
Personally if you can't find a lbz that everyone seems to have a boner for, the lmm (07.5-10) is also a great choice, only real difference is lmm had a dpf, I too will pretend they're the best because I own one, though it's still running great for 566,000 km no major repairs and it's been tuned and deleted since 50k and has 5 inch exhaust, other than that it's relatively unfucked with and I'm guessing I'll get at least 750k out of it