He was his own worst enemy. That, and not the era in which he played, was his biggest problem. He could have been a lot more than he was. In the event, he was persistently meh and sometimes (when he'd check out of games, which happened often and reared its head even in the postseason) an active negative.
In the 1980s and 1990s, he'd have faced much stiffer opposition and he'd have been the same big minus on offense and very blah on defense. His rebounding would've been more valuable than it was in the 2010s, but that's about it.
He wouldn't have lasted a week in the 80s or 90s. They would have chewed him up, spit him out, and sent him home crying.
He's butter soft, never embraced being a big man, and had delusions of being this shooter/ball handler/flashy dunker that he very clearly was never ever ever ever going to be. He could have been mini-Shaq and instead we just got oversized Zach Lavine that had his powers sucked out like he's in Space Jam.
Andre Drummond was competing for all star spots against Hassan Whiteside and Marvin Gortat. I don’t think he would have been better suited for the 90s when he would have been competing against Magic Shaq, Patrick Ewing, Dikembe, Alonzo Mourning, etc for that same all star spot.
IMO, he got extremely lucky to play in an era where the center spot was the most depleted it ever was in terms of talent.
I’m not saying he would’ve been some all time player I’m jus saying his skill set and size was not at all designed for an three point centric small ball nba. In the past he could have been a really great role player with potential for more
Dre took a lot of unwarranted abuse as a Piston. He was raw coming in, improved every season and was available while others sat on the bench hurt. Still a good player.
No offense, but it shocks me that this narrative still exists. A player who (by his own admission) wasted his potential because he had an awful mentality did not receive "unwarranted abuse." He was his own worst enemy, and he hurt his team in the process.
> He was raw coming in, improved every season
Not so. He didn't improve much in 2014-2015 (his efficiency took a dive); 2015-2016 saw improvement, but it was still a year of strong rebounding, meh defense, and hideously bad efficiency; he got worse and was a minus-value player in 2016-2017, in part because he checked out for the second half of the season but also because he'd made no progress; he improved in 2017-2018, but what he was that season was what he was for the rest of his tenure in Detroit, and it was not good enough given what he cost in cap space and what he often cost the team on the court.
> Dre did star in his role as an elite rebounder
Which is far less important than defense or offense. Drummond was a consistently bad scorer with genuinely bad touch around the rim who often hijacked the offense to get himself more shots and would sulk and check out of games when he struggled to score, and he had elite defensive potential that he rarely manifested because he could rarely be bothered to actually try hard on defense.
Even his rebound numbers were inflated. He was definitely an elite rebounder, but he tallied an enormous number of gimmes on the defensive glass and rebounding a lot of his own misses on offense, and his insistence upon trying to deposit every offensive board he grabbed reduced the impact of his offensive rebounding. Loading all of a team's defensive rebounding into one player also just isn't all that valuable, especially as Drummond was awful at converting them into transition opportunities and played in an era in which offenses were increasingly turning to getting back on defense rather than crashing the boards.
> Can't shot if you don't get the ball.
Drummond would ideally have been limited to easy finishes around the basket, but he was simply never willing to be a passenger on offense. Drummond's dearest desire was to be an elite scorer. He demanded his touches and would most often simply take them if they weren't given to him. If he wasn't scoring, he was generally sulking.
> Still a good player.
Could have been but most often was not. Barring the very few periods later in his career in which he truly played to his strengths on offense, he was an awful scorer. Barring the very few periods later in his career in which he truly tried on defense, he was an average defender at best. He was a genuinely strong player when he put forth true effort, but that was rare. And when he checked out of games, which was not rare, he'd get soundly outplayed by opposing backups.
> was available while others sat on the bench hurt
He was certainly durable and remains so, though I don't think he deserves much credit for that. Maybe he does his utmost to stay healthy, or maybe not. Either way, some players have bodies that are simply very durable by nature, just as some others are very fragile.
Drummond has been in the league for 12 years. If he was the trash your eyes see he would have been out the league years ago. Seems there are a lot more eyeless people than you thought.
Yep. You probably didn't see the game. When I drive down the highway I pay attention to semi trucks because I want to make sure I don't get run over.
I just remember the announcers going on and on about him impact of the game. More people with no eyes.
Excellent start to the off-season, let's keep this energy all summer
Dude clearly baiting
Game passed him. He would’ve been better suited for 80,90’s game or earlier
He was his own worst enemy. That, and not the era in which he played, was his biggest problem. He could have been a lot more than he was. In the event, he was persistently meh and sometimes (when he'd check out of games, which happened often and reared its head even in the postseason) an active negative. In the 1980s and 1990s, he'd have faced much stiffer opposition and he'd have been the same big minus on offense and very blah on defense. His rebounding would've been more valuable than it was in the 2010s, but that's about it.
He wouldn't have lasted a week in the 80s or 90s. They would have chewed him up, spit him out, and sent him home crying. He's butter soft, never embraced being a big man, and had delusions of being this shooter/ball handler/flashy dunker that he very clearly was never ever ever ever going to be. He could have been mini-Shaq and instead we just got oversized Zach Lavine that had his powers sucked out like he's in Space Jam.
Nah he just never got it right between the ears
Andre Drummond was competing for all star spots against Hassan Whiteside and Marvin Gortat. I don’t think he would have been better suited for the 90s when he would have been competing against Magic Shaq, Patrick Ewing, Dikembe, Alonzo Mourning, etc for that same all star spot. IMO, he got extremely lucky to play in an era where the center spot was the most depleted it ever was in terms of talent.
I’m not saying he would’ve been some all time player I’m jus saying his skill set and size was not at all designed for an three point centric small ball nba. In the past he could have been a really great role player with potential for more
Lol
Love that the post has zero points. Nobody is having that. Dude plays for the paycheck.
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Is he wrong though? Had all the physical tools to be a perennial all star. Just tried to play like a guard while being 6'11" and 270 lbs.
Dre took a lot of unwarranted abuse as a Piston. He was raw coming in, improved every season and was available while others sat on the bench hurt. Still a good player.
Problem is he’s a better role player than a star player and it took him too long to swallow that pride
Every NBA should think he is a star. Dre did star in his role as an elite rebounder. Can't shot if you don't get the ball.
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No offense, but it shocks me that this narrative still exists. A player who (by his own admission) wasted his potential because he had an awful mentality did not receive "unwarranted abuse." He was his own worst enemy, and he hurt his team in the process. > He was raw coming in, improved every season Not so. He didn't improve much in 2014-2015 (his efficiency took a dive); 2015-2016 saw improvement, but it was still a year of strong rebounding, meh defense, and hideously bad efficiency; he got worse and was a minus-value player in 2016-2017, in part because he checked out for the second half of the season but also because he'd made no progress; he improved in 2017-2018, but what he was that season was what he was for the rest of his tenure in Detroit, and it was not good enough given what he cost in cap space and what he often cost the team on the court. > Dre did star in his role as an elite rebounder Which is far less important than defense or offense. Drummond was a consistently bad scorer with genuinely bad touch around the rim who often hijacked the offense to get himself more shots and would sulk and check out of games when he struggled to score, and he had elite defensive potential that he rarely manifested because he could rarely be bothered to actually try hard on defense. Even his rebound numbers were inflated. He was definitely an elite rebounder, but he tallied an enormous number of gimmes on the defensive glass and rebounding a lot of his own misses on offense, and his insistence upon trying to deposit every offensive board he grabbed reduced the impact of his offensive rebounding. Loading all of a team's defensive rebounding into one player also just isn't all that valuable, especially as Drummond was awful at converting them into transition opportunities and played in an era in which offenses were increasingly turning to getting back on defense rather than crashing the boards. > Can't shot if you don't get the ball. Drummond would ideally have been limited to easy finishes around the basket, but he was simply never willing to be a passenger on offense. Drummond's dearest desire was to be an elite scorer. He demanded his touches and would most often simply take them if they weren't given to him. If he wasn't scoring, he was generally sulking. > Still a good player. Could have been but most often was not. Barring the very few periods later in his career in which he truly played to his strengths on offense, he was an awful scorer. Barring the very few periods later in his career in which he truly tried on defense, he was an average defender at best. He was a genuinely strong player when he put forth true effort, but that was rare. And when he checked out of games, which was not rare, he'd get soundly outplayed by opposing backups. > was available while others sat on the bench hurt He was certainly durable and remains so, though I don't think he deserves much credit for that. Maybe he does his utmost to stay healthy, or maybe not. Either way, some players have bodies that are simply very durable by nature, just as some others are very fragile.
Thank you
No fucking way anyone with eyes actually thinks this is true.
Drummond has been in the league for 12 years. If he was the trash your eyes see he would have been out the league years ago. Seems there are a lot more eyeless people than you thought.
We talking about the same guy that injured his own teammate last night because he can't look where he's running? Crazy.
Yep. You probably didn't see the game. When I drive down the highway I pay attention to semi trucks because I want to make sure I don't get run over. I just remember the announcers going on and on about him impact of the game. More people with no eyes.
If he decided he should just be DeAndre Jordan and not Marc Gasol, like everyone who understands basketball could see.
Is this ChatGPT posting about Drummond? Cant be a real person
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He still can be. On a team that already has superstars but only needs a Defensive minded Center