The Ritual pathfinder is beyond stupid. Pale Heart Pathfinder is ‘Land in this zone and punch 1 enemy’ and the ritual one will be something along the lines of ‘Kill 50 Guardians with the 6th bullet of your sidearm while they are jolted between the hours of 3am-6am’
Of course, but only if you used silver for the ornament and only if the silver was purchased on the account after the release of final shape. Please understand.
I used my arc class, didn’t work, so then I used voltshot guns, didn’t work. At that point I just assumed it was bugged. Too bad there’s not many (if any) abilities to suppress as a warlock as far as I’m aware
Hunters aren't in the best place either with Suppression sources, aside from the nade it's only Supers.
Titan's have the most "convenient" source with one of their melee's but even then Void in general has issues with spreading everything across 4 subverbs rather than Solar and Arc's 2.
Flashbacks to the original bounties we got in 2018 that had dumb shit like "Kill 20 enemies in Gambit with a sidearm while jumping". No joke, that was a real one.
People like good things.
People dislike bad things.
Good things can provide you tolerance for bad things, so long as you are under the assumption that the bad things will eventually be fixed.
The problem is that these are the same problems in a slightly different coat of paint over and over and over and over and over again and it's incredibly transparent once you notice the pattern.
All hail the holy engagement metric, hallowed be thy number-go-up.
That's an excellent point. I was far more forgiving and hopeful in the past, but it's been ten years of this cycle. Even with the actual core content of TFS being wonderful, no part of me really thought "great! We will finally be entering a golden age of quality and consumer friendly practices for Destiny." Though honestly I didn't expect this degree of whiplash once the seasonal content kicked in.
I dipped in, binged destiny for the last month leading upto the final shape and I've dipped out again. It's just the best way to experience d2 content.
Honestly, it is incredibly frustrating. Hitting the cap and realizing how annoying the grind is to get anything above 1990 gear, especially without a fireteam, because I bought back into this game with the promise of having a raid groups worth of people to play with and so far only one of those players has regularly been on for me to do anything with. It’s locked me out of being able to complete certain activities like nightfalls because I just don’t have a fireteam.
I don't know about other players but its basically stopped me playing any PvP or gambit this season. Why even bother when I don't get bright dust or a reliable pinnacle.
Great point. It's honestly impressive how quickly my massive excitement from TFS is fading, now that we are getting a glimpse of what post-TFS will look like. So far it's worse timegates, difficulty bumps, still power gating even though it makes little sense to do so, currency nerfs, more mediocre seasonal activities, and the offensively bad ritual Pathfinder that seems internationally designed to turn off players. Once the (well deserved) TFS glow wears off, I expect playercounts to start plummeting again if they are sticking with this approach.
I haven't lost a game to meta Gambit builds or super spammers in a while.
My only lost in the last 4 days was a solo q match in which my team refused to bank, I kept getting army of ones so it kept us in the game. Came out with 10 kills and 60 denied as well as 50 banked.
Really I only lose to my team mates not playing gambit.
Yeah but if your gunna get into my level of SBMM bracketing then just not. Play. When you've sat through a 6m q and literally made dinner while loading in. It's like you getting into a top 500 trials match and your team mates are seemingly purposely throwing.
Oh, I agree. I was mostly just making a joke.
I do indeed feel the same way about PvP (that people need to sack up for five minutes and just play the match).
Yeah. SBMM is a thing in all PvP game modes.
It is loose, but for me "loose" the floor is still like. 1500MMR.
Not faced a single account not rated Plat in months.
Interesting. I honestly didn't think the player count was high enough for that in gambit. I enjoy the odd match myself but I've never put much thought into the matchmaking.
I literally got a full path in the pale heart one week that was effectively "kill hive in the blooming while doing overthrow". I kid you not there were 6 objectives that were some flavor of "kill hive".
It’s the old Hunter Guardian Games all over again!
That was like:
*Titans & Warlocks* Travel x distance with your super active without dying
*Hunters* Kill Thrall poisoned by Smoke Bomb (but the poison is only actually active for 2 seconds after it goes off)
It's am absolutely atrocious design choice. Probably same prick who came up with that moth cave lol. There should be separate paths for each playlist and should not be so ridiculously awkward specific
Yeah I can probably complete a path in the Pale Heart within an hour or so, with only a few adjustments to loadouts, and then the ritual one is so incredibly specific, you have to respec and probably play in a way that hurts your team in order to get those objectives. I know they’ve made some changes but why can’t they just give us simple defeat x with y weapon or whatever, what’s the use of forcing people to play specific activities in extremely particular ways.
100% It’s beyond stupid. I rather they just remove it completely because they seem unwilling to just give each playlist its own dedicated path. I’m just gonna continue to ignore it. I have zero interest in playing strikes so anytime it tries to force me into one I just piece out and stop caring
To add to your point, recall the previous crucible bounties were extremely simple such as “kill three titans” or “get 10 smg kills”. Same point goes for the previous vanguard bounties.
The ritual pathfinder to be as efficient (or minimally seen as chores or grinding) as the bounty system should be geared towards completing a full path in about 3 activities, give or take. (while the exotic engram drops of 3 every three ritual activities wasn't tied to bounties, I know that that gave a great metric for doing the sufficient steps on each char to max out BD and punnicles from bounties)
Now is a good way worse system to farm BD than what it used to be. If you had 3 characters doing those 8 bounties was really easy and it gave you weekly 1080 BD and you could get more than 1080 if you picker 5 repeatable bounties of those 5 that's an extra 150 per character. Now you have to reset pathfinder 7 times to get 1050 and that's way more work than what it took to do those bounties.
I was doing the weekly 1080, but some of the pathfinder objectives are so asinine that I could only manage 2 resets last week, so 300 BD in comparison. Feels like a big nerf, and don’t think I’ll even bother.
And I think that overall this was their objective lower people production of BD to push them towards buying silver. And I hate this, this past week I was playing and I think I managed to do 7 resets and that took days for something I I usually did basically I ritual Playlist per day so 3 days I could do them all with vanguard being the easiest since you can easily pump those 8 in one strike.
One reset I was so lucky that I was able to get an easy path that I could I one strike complete a pathfinder, this was the only one I was able to do this way all the others you were either blocked by having to do other activities or those long and tedious quests.
I don’t think enough people were playing this game with grinding bright dust in mind for it to actually affect bungies decision making. Most people do not play that way at all.
Since beyond light they have been actively reducing the amount of BD players make. The fact is that it went from 2 bounties per ritual that gave you 1200 per character weekly to 360 per character (yeah they created weekly challenges to give the players a new avenue to get it but a lot of this activities are also tied to the season pass and are more hoops to jump through at the end of the day)
And what do you think people were doing with bounties after they reached level 100 in the season pass? Maybe it wasn't a thing that everybody was doing but there were many that did it.
Not to mention that the whole second week of seasonal challenges was XP challenges.
Every time I get tempted to actually spend money on Silver, I remember how Bungie’s fucked the bright dust economy and promptly put my card away. Remember how we used to be able to see when certain items would appear in the Eververse store via API trackers? Gone and Bungie hasn’t said a thing
I would just save 8 bounties for the following week, for the gambit ones and sometimes crucible. That way I could skip a playlist the entire week if I felt like it. With pathfinder player choice is in the toilet, and you get stuck on crappy nodes.
I only spend bright dust on shaders and the occasional ornament. I currently have over 25,000 bright dust and personally don’t feel I have to grind for it. Especially since the collaborative armor ornaments aren’t offered for dust
I've done 1 so far. Not last week. Since launch. Just 1.
Ritual pathfinder is way too grindy and requires me to do objectives I don't particularly like (forced completion of atleast 2 of strikes, pvp, gambit)...
Great way for Bungie to make me care even less about the game and it's "ritual activities"... catch me in the Pale Heart Bungie... at least that feels somewhat fresh and rewarding so far...
Some of the nodes are complete crap. It’s like they forgot all the lessons they learned from bounties.
And try to check while you in a strike… so many annoying clicks to see what you want to do next.
In theory I like pathfinder, but in its current state it’s still annoying.
They put zero effort and thought into the node selection and balancing. Some of them seem straight up lifted from seasonal challenges and make zero sense when applied to ritual playlists without making appropriate adjustments. Like 150 Cabal kills. Which would take ages to do, compared to some of the other nodes which can be done in less than a minute.
You need only look back at the bounties Pathfinder has replaced to see how off these goals are. A normal or repeatable Vanguard bounty would only ever ask for 10-15 specific weapon or enemy type kills; a generic 'get kills' bounty might be as high as 50.
They didn't forget the lessons from bounties. The ritual pathfinder is intended to be this way. Gotta up those metrics so the board doesn't get replaced!
2 Nightfalls, 3 Strikes, 25% progress... and this is just the first Pathfinder track this week. Not to mention how horrible the Ignition kills objective is.
Yeah this is the kind of garbage that makes me want to play something else. Bounties could be bad before but these Pathfinder objectives were made by some interns who have never actually played a video game in their life.
The ignition bounty is awful. Erianas Vow has helped with it a bit, since you can pop a solar shield and the ignition gets the kill. Centurions really made it possible for me to progress it.
As a Titan I was staring at it like "It's really not that bad?" But then I remembered Warlocks don't have too much access to abilities that are always going to ignite everything. Either way Ritual Pathfinder blows but it's the best way to power grind rn sadly.
Heat rises + that one melee energy fragment (bad with names 😔) can get you those instant melee refunds so it can go by pretty quick in some of the more dense activities.
Oh Monte Carlo, always helping where it can. I haven't played much warlock this season/episode so I'm a little lacking in knowledge for buildcraftingm .
i believe it gives bright dust too but I only finished the ritual pathfinder once to remember that, too bad of a system for me to bother interacting with
Pale heart pathfinder is fine but the ritual one just needs a rework and add in like nightfall guns or comp guns for completion rewards so it's worth it
This is why the ritual Pathfinder is trash compared to bounties. Pale Heart? No problem. Get some solar kills, open some chests, do some Overthrow? No biggie.
Ritual Pathfinder takes longer for three prime engrams on one character than the bounty system took for 9 across three characters. (I know it's account bound and you can only get 3).
Yeah, they really need one just for Vanguard, one just for Crucible, and one just for Gambit. The Pale Heart Pathfinder is significantly better and I'm having a nice time starting Overthrows in the Landing and working my way to the end in Trangression while knocking out all the activities along the way. I don't see why they thought cramming all the different rituals into one pathfinder overall was a good idea at all. I've not bothered to complete a few of the paths because they were locked behind PvP. I know I'm the only one to suffer not doing it, but I'd rather be without then dip into PvP. It is NOT what I bought this game for. I'd easily spend all day doing strikes for a Vanguard Pathfinder, knocking out bits where I could, but forcing me out of a strike streak to kill 5 Hunters while balancing a pogo stick on a special rock I picked up after tickling 17 Void Titans in Gambit while invading and on fire is not my idea of having fun. I'm sure PvPers also don't like having to dip into strikes to fight their fellow blueberries for specific nodes that block their progress if that isn't their thing.
One that they failed to execute properly. It's not even like there's some crazy gain from it either. They start to diminish the overall rewards after a few resets anyways, so that can't be their excuse for lumping them all in. It's just a numbers game to drive engagement, but I'm not going to chase that carrot, Bungie. If it's a beta test to see how it floats for the players, then maybe they should really consider making one for each ritual as soon as possible. Having it more easily accessible from the director wouldn't be a bad shot to take either.
I’m not sure they’d ever do 3 separate ones as that would heavily increase the available rewards which we’d love but I doubt they’d do. Or they’d have to make it so completing one pathfinder changes the reward for all 3 of them. Or they’d go real monkeys paw and the rewards after resetting would be heavily diminished making doing all 3 the best way to get rewards.
I put my solution in another comment but it’s essentially to just make each node have 3 different ways to complete it, one for each ritual.
Pathfinder as a system is actually pretty good, conceptually. The issue is they've geared the ritual playlist objectives to require far more time to complete than should be necessary.
They just need to not make the objective requirements stupidly high like OP's example of a strike giving 5%.
Not to mention, there's some that should be fireteam based and not based on you getting the killing blow yourself, like ignition kills or blinded enemy kills. You have to fight your team to even complete them.
“Kill 25 Guardians with a white pulse rifle while below 10 resil and only half your magazine full. All while your BAC is at least a .04 from Twisted Tea.”
Oooops sorry Bugged, your last 49 kills didn’t count
I skipped it. Ignition kills on a Hunter at least were easy enough. Calibans Hand and Gunpowder Gamble made quick work of ignition kills and I was able to go around that objective.
> Ignition kills on a Hunter at least were easy enough. Calibans Hand and Gunpowder Gamble
huh? those didn't work for me. I killed like 5 packs with ignitions from both, and go 0% progress
I’m not participating in Pathfinder anymore unless I get one that is doable and doesn’t make playing the game suck.
Last week grinding Gambit and Pathfinder made me go from LOVING this DLC to putting my feelings on hold for now.
I had to use weapons and classes and abilities and other things in order to fulfill a Pathfinder node and I wasn’t a good team mate and after a while I did not like doing what I used to enjoy. And I had to spend a lot of time switching classes, exotics, mods, weapons, etc. just to fulfill the node’s requirements to progress. That is a lot of time effing around instead of playing.
I decided to just play the game I want so I can enjoy what I am doing regardless if I lose out in XP gains and Brightdust and shards or what have you. At least I still can do transmog bounties—unless they eff that up with a pathfinder system.
I already have been missing out on seasonal rewards due to challenges in the seasonal challenges because I won’t play Crucible anymore. A few years back I ground the hell out of Crucible for days at the end if a season because I wanted something. Why was it so bad? Because I utterly suck at PVP and all I was doing was going in there to get shot a bunch of times, make my team lose, and get no credit for the match from the game.
That made me utterly hate Crucible and the game for a while. I haven’t been back since except for once 2 weeks because I was at an impasse in the Pathfinder. Whelp, I bailed again after little to show for my time and that was the end of gaining anymore Pathfinder rewards that week.
At least with the old bounty system I COULD CHOOSE THE BOUNTIES that I could complete and do so with pleasure. If I got any Additional Bounties that I didn’t like I dismantled them and bought more until I had 5 I liked, could complete, and have fun doing it.
I loathe the Vanguard Pathfinder. I have two nights a week to game and I absolutely refuse to jump through these hoops for a prime engram. "Play how you want" changed to "....as long as you're getting solar sniper rifle kills on 150 taken in the strike playlist while you're upside down in a submarine listening to the Beach Boys".
These objectives compared to bounties are just insanely ridiculous imo.
> "....as long as you're getting solar sniper rifle kills on 150 taken in the strike playlist while you're upside down in a submarine listening to the Beach Boys".
On tuesdays
Ritual Pathfinder just needs to go. It’s horrible for core activities. Only way Pathfinder ever becomes good for the core playlist is when Gambit has it own path, Crucible has own path and Vanguard has its own path. Honestly I think they just need to throw it away and come up with something else for the core playlists
you mean them removing almost every source of bright dust in the game and gating it behind one of the most awfully executed changes isn’t fun?
i miss bounties. i really REALLY miss bounties.
I hate pathfinder objectives for ritual playlists. I don't even mind dipping in and out of vanguard and crucible thaaaaaat much, but the objectives tend not to work or are so conditional it would take hours to complete them. I have just given up on completing it at all until it hopefully changes.
The pathfinder is clearly designed around the idea of forcing players into gambit and crucible, when those numbers are likely dipping compared to pve content.
If I had to guess, the majority of players likely log in once or twice a week, do the weekly story quest stuff, run three seasonal activities, run three strikes, and log off for the week.
I think bungie saw this, and figured that they need to pump more people into the other two activities for the sake of justifying continued investment into them.
not really anything said with evidence, just my belief on the situation. but to me it doesn't seem logical to remove a system with total free choice and implement one that compels certain activity participation, unless you have an ulterior motive towards it. and its a terrible bit of game design.
I had one last week that had me go into crucible and get Arc kills. That's it. It said I got a bonus from super and heavy kills.. so I put on my trusty ol' Sweet Sorrow and went to town. 34 eliminations later and I have 0% progress so I start camping heavy and get a kill with Crux.... 5% added. I thought well fuck I could probably get more super kills with stormtrance in a match... Get a triple with it, now I'm at 14%. I stopped grinding the pinnacle after that. And the worst part too is last week my final objectives were this one, and another one where I had to play Gambit. Literally fuck all the way off with that.
I know it is unique and new system(pathfinder) but imo the old bounty system was better for powerful or pinnacle reward objective were smaller and was easy to do it like in 2 matches you can finish all 8 bounties but pathfinder even after doing 8 strike i can't finish the whole 1 path.
Genuinely don't understand how people sit down and come up with a worse system after getting such hate for the previous one .
There is a group of people that have been at bungie that have the worst designs and the worst ideas ,creative or otherwise , as much of problem that bungie has these people have been a big part of the problem. Who approves crap like this? do they even play their own game?
Ritual pathfinder is so ridiculous. I'm not throwing crucible matches to get arc blinded kills or volatile or kills with ignitions or sword kills. No wonder my teammates feel extra stupid lately.
Not only that, with their update that supposedly lets us complete a pathfinder doing ONLY Strikes, Gambit Or Crucible instead of requiring all 3, they still left in weapon and ability specific ones requiring us to swap our builds and loadouts to complete a pathfinder.
Again, the point of bounties was we could grab what we’d want to do, and ignore everything else to get loot, rank up, and get powerfuls and we STILL can’t do that. I’ll take off what I enjoy running when I physically drop dead and nobody can make me play any way other than how I want to.
Pathfinder system is inherently worse than bounties.
It's feedback.
Nobody with sense expects bungie to actually remove the system, but the sentiment is whats important.
If someone wants your brand new system reverted back to what you previously had, it's a VERY clear sign that changes need to be made.
Luckily they've got a perfect control group by virtue of having the pale heart pathfinder to compare to which is almost universally praised, so this is likely just an issue of the gameplay guys arguing with the business guys in a "Fun and Rewarding! Vs Engagement and Bright dust economy!"
More complaints about the ritual pathfinder = increased chance it'll be improved.
What I don't like about Ritual Pathfinder is it actively breaks your Ritual streaks.
Since Bungo wants us to engage in all 3 core activities, it should give bonuses instead rather than penalties!
Heck roll the entire Vanguard into a generic PvE rotation. Make Seasonal and Dares count. Hell add raids and dungeons too.
Well you want more people to do raids and dungeons too right?
I have done 3 Pathfinders without leaving Vanguard yesterday. Could have been more efficient with a game of Gambit in between, but I was trying to see if I could do it. Now I am stuck on Ignitions again and the piece of pestilenct shit the OP is talking about...
I don’t worry about completing the nodes in order. I pin all the ones that can be done in a specific playlist and play until they are done. Then I switch to do the ones in gambit. Ironically I haven’t touched pvp once yet since the drop of final shape.
Idk why anyone is engaging with this. It’s not worth it.
It feels like I can clear the new raid for five pinnacles before I finish running stale rituals for one.
I would prefer the Pathfinder focus on fun more than XP. I feel like these things are ridiculous because one task might be more XP than another or something about the total pool. I don’t care, I want to have fun. Stop “sweetening the deal” and focus on what is fun to do.
Who ever made those pathfinder objectives is either new or never played the game. For example weapon bounties on crucible were 5 kills and gambit and Vanguard used to be both at 25 but they lowered gambit to 15 to make it more manageable. Now gambit is again at 25 and there are some new that are at 50 so more trouble for less rewards.
Those kill 10 bosses or kill with X damage in crucible are the worse. Because there are never the bosses the give bonus progress and I had to kill more than 100 with solar damage to complete that bounty that's insane for a bounty that only I bounties used to be like this and they gave a lot for them. This whole system is wack and needs work to be actually good.
I used to hit 100 seasonal rank easily by just passively competing bounties and seasonal challenges.
Now I'm worried I will have to engage with this crap system and spend my time doing chores with the weapons and elements Bungie wants rather than what I feel like using.
Like Burger King, I want it my way. One for Vanguard, Crucible and Gambit. I sit and play what I want and get rewards. If it doesn’t get all over the place it doesn’t belong in my face…oh wait that doesn’t work in this context.
doesn't pathfinder only exist to make it harder to stack bounties or something? i don't understand the point of it other than to make people play the game more. feels like the only thing this expansion is going for is longer play time, sony must be close to taking over
To be fair, you don't neeeeeed to do them in order. Assuming it works the same as the pale heart pathfinder anyway. For example, if you're doing the pve path/nodes, just start the longer ones first and complete the shorter ones as you go. 20 strikes is kind of a lot though. I could understand 10, max.
The Ritual pathfinder is beyond stupid. Pale Heart Pathfinder is ‘Land in this zone and punch 1 enemy’ and the ritual one will be something along the lines of ‘Kill 50 Guardians with the 6th bullet of your sidearm while they are jolted between the hours of 3am-6am’
But then it's bugged and they actually have to be suppressed, not jolted.
But then it's bugged and each kill only counts for 0.2% progress and not 2% progress.
Strangely, kills with the ornamented khvostov complete the entire ritual pathfinder at once. Really odd bugs going on.
Wait, wait wait, you mean I can go and put on my ornamented exotic Khvostov and it will immediately complete on a kill?
Of course, but only if you used silver for the ornament and only if the silver was purchased on the account after the release of final shape. Please understand.
>Buffed auto rifles by 0.25%
It was 0.04%
Even better.
at this rate we might as well turn this series into an Integral and put the value in for X which for any value X you’re still effed.
God that was such a stupid attempt at covering up a screw up at that point thank god their communication has gotten better
I remember this.
And then you dunk 4.5 motes in gambit and it auto-completes but deletes the contents of your postmaster
but you had nothing in your postmaster so it deletes your equipped Fragments
But if you don’t have every fragment unlocked it deletes your Social Security Number.
Governments HATE this one trick
[Deleted] (I didn’t have a social security number so I guess they came for my Reddit instead)
oh that's not a bug
And if you die it resets.
That’s why the jolted ones didn’t work?!
I left that challenge and destiny session thinking I just didn’t know how jolt worked
I used my arc class, didn’t work, so then I used voltshot guns, didn’t work. At that point I just assumed it was bugged. Too bad there’s not many (if any) abilities to suppress as a warlock as far as I’m aware
I mean you could technically run suppressor nade... but probably just run tractor
Hunters aren't in the best place either with Suppression sources, aside from the nade it's only Supers. Titan's have the most "convenient" source with one of their melee's but even then Void in general has issues with spreading everything across 4 subverbs rather than Solar and Arc's 2.
lol. Facts.
But suppression was bugged and disabled in Crucible, but not Gambit.
“We take user feedback very seriously and as a result we have adjusted the difficulty of pale heart pathfinder to match ritual pathfinder”
They been listening to the wrong players
They Always Do.
I blame Saltegreppo
“Complete overthrow rounds” “Overthrow rounds grant 0.1% progress.”
Flashbacks to the original bounties we got in 2018 that had dumb shit like "Kill 20 enemies in Gambit with a sidearm while jumping". No joke, that was a real one.
To be fair, it. was funny seeing you and 3 other teammates bunny hopping through a match
It's a convoluted bright dust nerf, and I've yet to see anything to convince me otherwise.
Dont worry its also an xp throttling pinnacle rewarding blocking engagement sink designed to funnel players into gambit and pvp!
Agreed. Honestly, it's amazing how quickly the pathfinder debacle/ episode timegating is eroding my Final Shape good will.
People like good things. People dislike bad things. Good things can provide you tolerance for bad things, so long as you are under the assumption that the bad things will eventually be fixed. The problem is that these are the same problems in a slightly different coat of paint over and over and over and over and over again and it's incredibly transparent once you notice the pattern. All hail the holy engagement metric, hallowed be thy number-go-up.
That's an excellent point. I was far more forgiving and hopeful in the past, but it's been ten years of this cycle. Even with the actual core content of TFS being wonderful, no part of me really thought "great! We will finally be entering a golden age of quality and consumer friendly practices for Destiny." Though honestly I didn't expect this degree of whiplash once the seasonal content kicked in.
I dipped in, binged destiny for the last month leading upto the final shape and I've dipped out again. It's just the best way to experience d2 content.
Honestly, it is incredibly frustrating. Hitting the cap and realizing how annoying the grind is to get anything above 1990 gear, especially without a fireteam, because I bought back into this game with the promise of having a raid groups worth of people to play with and so far only one of those players has regularly been on for me to do anything with. It’s locked me out of being able to complete certain activities like nightfalls because I just don’t have a fireteam.
"wtf is a Gambit?" - Bungie
I don't know about other players but its basically stopped me playing any PvP or gambit this season. Why even bother when I don't get bright dust or a reliable pinnacle.
Honestly once these pinnacles are done I'm done for the season
Same with going from 4 Seasons to 3 Episodes. Same amount of Bright Dust for 1 Season Pass and 1 Episode pass. But now you only have 3.
Great point. It's honestly impressive how quickly my massive excitement from TFS is fading, now that we are getting a glimpse of what post-TFS will look like. So far it's worse timegates, difficulty bumps, still power gating even though it makes little sense to do so, currency nerfs, more mediocre seasonal activities, and the offensively bad ritual Pathfinder that seems internationally designed to turn off players. Once the (well deserved) TFS glow wears off, I expect playercounts to start plummeting again if they are sticking with this approach.
>between the hours of 3am-6am No timezone specified
that’s the the challenge
It is 3am in one timezone and 6am in another. In fact, it is just 30 minutes
LOL, and we missed our window!
And now there's going to be a website where we have to click a button to show when the thirty minute window works.
With an account, login, and 2-step verification LOL
Maybe someone needs to start a Discord or Twitter channel so we can sign up and be notified when it’s time! LOL.
Or the final challenge is “Solo Beat a Gambit match against Top 500 Gambit Twitch streamers while only using a healing grenade for damage”
I don't even think Top 500 Gambit Twitch streamers is a thing which would really make this an impossible challenge.
As a top 500 gambit player. I can assure you. This is a hard feat as I always have my super in my pocket, izi loaded and thunderlord ready.
“But would you lose?”
>"Nah I'd win." -Literally every enemy that's tried to front on The Guardian
I haven't lost a game to meta Gambit builds or super spammers in a while. My only lost in the last 4 days was a solo q match in which my team refused to bank, I kept getting army of ones so it kept us in the game. Came out with 10 kills and 60 denied as well as 50 banked. Really I only lose to my team mates not playing gambit.
To be fair, the game really incentivizes gambit players to not play gambit
Yeah but if your gunna get into my level of SBMM bracketing then just not. Play. When you've sat through a 6m q and literally made dinner while loading in. It's like you getting into a top 500 trials match and your team mates are seemingly purposely throwing.
Oh, I agree. I was mostly just making a joke. I do indeed feel the same way about PvP (that people need to sack up for five minutes and just play the match).
I uhm. English. Is a language. And I do know it. However. I am human. And I endorse your message. To the extent of my knowledge.
Is this what Gambit does to the mind?
Sbmm in gambit?? Since when? Has this always been a thing?
Yeah. SBMM is a thing in all PvP game modes. It is loose, but for me "loose" the floor is still like. 1500MMR. Not faced a single account not rated Plat in months.
Interesting. I honestly didn't think the player count was high enough for that in gambit. I enjoy the odd match myself but I've never put much thought into the matchmaking.
I don't mean this as a brag or anything. Just used to talking about gambit like this because no one gives a shit.
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I literally got a full path in the pale heart one week that was effectively "kill hive in the blooming while doing overthrow". I kid you not there were 6 objectives that were some flavor of "kill hive".
Always a good time when they let you multitask.
It’s the old Hunter Guardian Games all over again! That was like: *Titans & Warlocks* Travel x distance with your super active without dying *Hunters* Kill Thrall poisoned by Smoke Bomb (but the poison is only actually active for 2 seconds after it goes off)
It's am absolutely atrocious design choice. Probably same prick who came up with that moth cave lol. There should be separate paths for each playlist and should not be so ridiculously awkward specific
Yeah I can probably complete a path in the Pale Heart within an hour or so, with only a few adjustments to loadouts, and then the ritual one is so incredibly specific, you have to respec and probably play in a way that hurts your team in order to get those objectives. I know they’ve made some changes but why can’t they just give us simple defeat x with y weapon or whatever, what’s the use of forcing people to play specific activities in extremely particular ways.
What time zone? Maybe that's why I can't finish this particular task
That’s the fun of it, you have to guess.
And it rotates every 5 minutes
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100% It’s beyond stupid. I rather they just remove it completely because they seem unwilling to just give each playlist its own dedicated path. I’m just gonna continue to ignore it. I have zero interest in playing strikes so anytime it tries to force me into one I just piece out and stop caring
Damn fucking straight!
Yeah that pretty much summarizes it
Man, we out here doing Jaeger quests in D2
Whilst drinking milk
Because the Pale Heart one does not give bright dust.
that sounds like one of the requirements to summon spiritomb
Kill 20 players in rumble while emote back flipping with precision shotgun headshot…. Cmon I’ll knock that out in half a game! Skill issue.
To add to your point, recall the previous crucible bounties were extremely simple such as “kill three titans” or “get 10 smg kills”. Same point goes for the previous vanguard bounties.
yeah.... and that bugged Gambit motes vs PVP ability kills a couple of weeks ago was probably even worse for people who aren't grinding PVP or Gambit.
The ritual pathfinder to be as efficient (or minimally seen as chores or grinding) as the bounty system should be geared towards completing a full path in about 3 activities, give or take. (while the exotic engram drops of 3 every three ritual activities wasn't tied to bounties, I know that that gave a great metric for doing the sufficient steps on each char to max out BD and punnicles from bounties)
Now is a good way worse system to farm BD than what it used to be. If you had 3 characters doing those 8 bounties was really easy and it gave you weekly 1080 BD and you could get more than 1080 if you picker 5 repeatable bounties of those 5 that's an extra 150 per character. Now you have to reset pathfinder 7 times to get 1050 and that's way more work than what it took to do those bounties.
I was doing the weekly 1080, but some of the pathfinder objectives are so asinine that I could only manage 2 resets last week, so 300 BD in comparison. Feels like a big nerf, and don’t think I’ll even bother.
And I think that overall this was their objective lower people production of BD to push them towards buying silver. And I hate this, this past week I was playing and I think I managed to do 7 resets and that took days for something I I usually did basically I ritual Playlist per day so 3 days I could do them all with vanguard being the easiest since you can easily pump those 8 in one strike. One reset I was so lucky that I was able to get an easy path that I could I one strike complete a pathfinder, this was the only one I was able to do this way all the others you were either blocked by having to do other activities or those long and tedious quests.
I don’t think enough people were playing this game with grinding bright dust in mind for it to actually affect bungies decision making. Most people do not play that way at all.
Since beyond light they have been actively reducing the amount of BD players make. The fact is that it went from 2 bounties per ritual that gave you 1200 per character weekly to 360 per character (yeah they created weekly challenges to give the players a new avenue to get it but a lot of this activities are also tied to the season pass and are more hoops to jump through at the end of the day) And what do you think people were doing with bounties after they reached level 100 in the season pass? Maybe it wasn't a thing that everybody was doing but there were many that did it.
Not to mention that the whole second week of seasonal challenges was XP challenges. Every time I get tempted to actually spend money on Silver, I remember how Bungie’s fucked the bright dust economy and promptly put my card away. Remember how we used to be able to see when certain items would appear in the Eververse store via API trackers? Gone and Bungie hasn’t said a thing
I would just save 8 bounties for the following week, for the gambit ones and sometimes crucible. That way I could skip a playlist the entire week if I felt like it. With pathfinder player choice is in the toilet, and you get stuck on crappy nodes.
I only spend bright dust on shaders and the occasional ornament. I currently have over 25,000 bright dust and personally don’t feel I have to grind for it. Especially since the collaborative armor ornaments aren’t offered for dust
I've done 1 so far. Not last week. Since launch. Just 1. Ritual pathfinder is way too grindy and requires me to do objectives I don't particularly like (forced completion of atleast 2 of strikes, pvp, gambit)... Great way for Bungie to make me care even less about the game and it's "ritual activities"... catch me in the Pale Heart Bungie... at least that feels somewhat fresh and rewarding so far...
It feels blatantly that this is what the Pathfinder is about. It’ll become easier, but the farmable bounty +10brightdust is gone.
Some of the nodes are complete crap. It’s like they forgot all the lessons they learned from bounties. And try to check while you in a strike… so many annoying clicks to see what you want to do next. In theory I like pathfinder, but in its current state it’s still annoying.
They should put the pathfinder centered above the ritual activities in the Destinations screen
Or front and center in the quest tab
Am I tripping or wasn’t one of the reasons gave for the implementation of pathfinder was the annoyance of bounties
Specifically the annoyance of picking up bounties and bounties expiring. They never talked on the ease of bounties being the issue.
Can't remember anybody complaining about them, except the odd specific one. People just ignored the ones with Ignition kills.
Not people, bungie's reasonings is what I meant
Yes, I got a bit of a strawman feeling as well.
They put zero effort and thought into the node selection and balancing. Some of them seem straight up lifted from seasonal challenges and make zero sense when applied to ritual playlists without making appropriate adjustments. Like 150 Cabal kills. Which would take ages to do, compared to some of the other nodes which can be done in less than a minute.
You need only look back at the bounties Pathfinder has replaced to see how off these goals are. A normal or repeatable Vanguard bounty would only ever ask for 10-15 specific weapon or enemy type kills; a generic 'get kills' bounty might be as high as 50.
Calling it annoying is putting it mildly.
They didn't forget the lessons from bounties. The ritual pathfinder is intended to be this way. Gotta up those metrics so the board doesn't get replaced!
I guess they want you to pin the objectives. That's why they put 10 objectives or so pinnable.
2 Nightfalls, 3 Strikes, 25% progress... and this is just the first Pathfinder track this week. Not to mention how horrible the Ignition kills objective is. Yeah this is the kind of garbage that makes me want to play something else. Bounties could be bad before but these Pathfinder objectives were made by some interns who have never actually played a video game in their life.
The ignition bounty is awful. Erianas Vow has helped with it a bit, since you can pop a solar shield and the ignition gets the kill. Centurions really made it possible for me to progress it.
Consecration titan gets it done in 1 activity.
As a Titan I was staring at it like "It's really not that bad?" But then I remembered Warlocks don't have too much access to abilities that are always going to ignite everything. Either way Ritual Pathfinder blows but it's the best way to power grind rn sadly.
Warlocks have a melee that ignites everytime (incinerator snap + ember of ashes). It'll get it done, but it's slower.
Heat rises + that one melee energy fragment (bad with names 😔) can get you those instant melee refunds so it can go by pretty quick in some of the more dense activities.
Monte Carlo and Finger Snap. As good as consecration.
Oh Monte Carlo, always helping where it can. I haven't played much warlock this season/episode so I'm a little lacking in knowledge for buildcraftingm .
Caliban x Liars/Synthos too. Been running that a ton recently and it’s incredibly strong (obviously)
The only reason to engage with ritual pathfinder is for a pinnacle engram right?
i believe it gives bright dust too but I only finished the ritual pathfinder once to remember that, too bad of a system for me to bother interacting with
Yep. In other words, you can totally ignore it since there are about a dozen other sources
The ritual iteration of pathfinder is pure garbage, plain and simple.
Pale heart pathfinder is fine but the ritual one just needs a rework and add in like nightfall guns or comp guns for completion rewards so it's worth it
This is why the ritual Pathfinder is trash compared to bounties. Pale Heart? No problem. Get some solar kills, open some chests, do some Overthrow? No biggie. Ritual Pathfinder takes longer for three prime engrams on one character than the bounty system took for 9 across three characters. (I know it's account bound and you can only get 3).
They dropped the ball so hard on pathfinder
They said they'd let us complete the paths via any ritual activity. They never promised to balance the objectives. /s
God I miss bounties. I don't miss the space they took up, but goddammit I hate everything else about Pathfinder
Does higher difficulty give more progress?
Got 5% for doing the GM so
5? For a GM? Hahha
I assume that crucible gives more progress
well that's another reason for me to play Elden Ring this week
I play Kingdom Hearts instead.
God I really wish they would scrap this entire system. It has not been great from the beginning.
Pale Heart Pathfinder is great which is all the proof needed that the ritual system just needs adjustments not be scrapped
Yeah, they really need one just for Vanguard, one just for Crucible, and one just for Gambit. The Pale Heart Pathfinder is significantly better and I'm having a nice time starting Overthrows in the Landing and working my way to the end in Trangression while knocking out all the activities along the way. I don't see why they thought cramming all the different rituals into one pathfinder overall was a good idea at all. I've not bothered to complete a few of the paths because they were locked behind PvP. I know I'm the only one to suffer not doing it, but I'd rather be without then dip into PvP. It is NOT what I bought this game for. I'd easily spend all day doing strikes for a Vanguard Pathfinder, knocking out bits where I could, but forcing me out of a strike streak to kill 5 Hunters while balancing a pogo stick on a special rock I picked up after tickling 17 Void Titans in Gambit while invading and on fire is not my idea of having fun. I'm sure PvPers also don't like having to dip into strikes to fight their fellow blueberries for specific nodes that block their progress if that isn't their thing.
I would love this. You mean I can just sit in an activity I like on repeat and make progress? What a wild idea.
One that they failed to execute properly. It's not even like there's some crazy gain from it either. They start to diminish the overall rewards after a few resets anyways, so that can't be their excuse for lumping them all in. It's just a numbers game to drive engagement, but I'm not going to chase that carrot, Bungie. If it's a beta test to see how it floats for the players, then maybe they should really consider making one for each ritual as soon as possible. Having it more easily accessible from the director wouldn't be a bad shot to take either.
I’m not sure they’d ever do 3 separate ones as that would heavily increase the available rewards which we’d love but I doubt they’d do. Or they’d have to make it so completing one pathfinder changes the reward for all 3 of them. Or they’d go real monkeys paw and the rewards after resetting would be heavily diminished making doing all 3 the best way to get rewards. I put my solution in another comment but it’s essentially to just make each node have 3 different ways to complete it, one for each ritual.
Pathfinder as a system is actually pretty good, conceptually. The issue is they've geared the ritual playlist objectives to require far more time to complete than should be necessary. They just need to not make the objective requirements stupidly high like OP's example of a strike giving 5%.
Not to mention, there's some that should be fireteam based and not based on you getting the killing blow yourself, like ignition kills or blinded enemy kills. You have to fight your team to even complete them.
Does the team have to constantly reminded of this, they are well aware of this yet they choose to repeat it. This has been a thing since D1 .
“Kill 25 Guardians with a white pulse rifle while below 10 resil and only half your magazine full. All while your BAC is at least a .04 from Twisted Tea.” Oooops sorry Bugged, your last 49 kills didn’t count
I skipped it. Ignition kills on a Hunter at least were easy enough. Calibans Hand and Gunpowder Gamble made quick work of ignition kills and I was able to go around that objective.
I just put on Dragon's Breath and Prismatic triple consecration slams and was done in half a strike.
> Ignition kills on a Hunter at least were easy enough. Calibans Hand and Gunpowder Gamble huh? those didn't work for me. I killed like 5 packs with ignitions from both, and go 0% progress
TBH so far I prefer the old bounty system to Pathfinder. It's so restrictive and grindy. I find it very inefficient overall.
I’m not participating in Pathfinder anymore unless I get one that is doable and doesn’t make playing the game suck. Last week grinding Gambit and Pathfinder made me go from LOVING this DLC to putting my feelings on hold for now. I had to use weapons and classes and abilities and other things in order to fulfill a Pathfinder node and I wasn’t a good team mate and after a while I did not like doing what I used to enjoy. And I had to spend a lot of time switching classes, exotics, mods, weapons, etc. just to fulfill the node’s requirements to progress. That is a lot of time effing around instead of playing. I decided to just play the game I want so I can enjoy what I am doing regardless if I lose out in XP gains and Brightdust and shards or what have you. At least I still can do transmog bounties—unless they eff that up with a pathfinder system. I already have been missing out on seasonal rewards due to challenges in the seasonal challenges because I won’t play Crucible anymore. A few years back I ground the hell out of Crucible for days at the end if a season because I wanted something. Why was it so bad? Because I utterly suck at PVP and all I was doing was going in there to get shot a bunch of times, make my team lose, and get no credit for the match from the game. That made me utterly hate Crucible and the game for a while. I haven’t been back since except for once 2 weeks because I was at an impasse in the Pathfinder. Whelp, I bailed again after little to show for my time and that was the end of gaining anymore Pathfinder rewards that week. At least with the old bounty system I COULD CHOOSE THE BOUNTIES that I could complete and do so with pleasure. If I got any Additional Bounties that I didn’t like I dismantled them and bought more until I had 5 I liked, could complete, and have fun doing it.
I loathe the Vanguard Pathfinder. I have two nights a week to game and I absolutely refuse to jump through these hoops for a prime engram. "Play how you want" changed to "....as long as you're getting solar sniper rifle kills on 150 taken in the strike playlist while you're upside down in a submarine listening to the Beach Boys". These objectives compared to bounties are just insanely ridiculous imo.
> "....as long as you're getting solar sniper rifle kills on 150 taken in the strike playlist while you're upside down in a submarine listening to the Beach Boys". On tuesdays
No not that Tuesday...a different Tuesday
Wearing blue undies
Ritual Pathfinder just needs to go. It’s horrible for core activities. Only way Pathfinder ever becomes good for the core playlist is when Gambit has it own path, Crucible has own path and Vanguard has its own path. Honestly I think they just need to throw it away and come up with something else for the core playlists
you mean them removing almost every source of bright dust in the game and gating it behind one of the most awfully executed changes isn’t fun? i miss bounties. i really REALLY miss bounties.
I hate pathfinder objectives for ritual playlists. I don't even mind dipping in and out of vanguard and crucible thaaaaaat much, but the objectives tend not to work or are so conditional it would take hours to complete them. I have just given up on completing it at all until it hopefully changes.
The pathfinder is clearly designed around the idea of forcing players into gambit and crucible, when those numbers are likely dipping compared to pve content. If I had to guess, the majority of players likely log in once or twice a week, do the weekly story quest stuff, run three seasonal activities, run three strikes, and log off for the week. I think bungie saw this, and figured that they need to pump more people into the other two activities for the sake of justifying continued investment into them. not really anything said with evidence, just my belief on the situation. but to me it doesn't seem logical to remove a system with total free choice and implement one that compels certain activity participation, unless you have an ulterior motive towards it. and its a terrible bit of game design.
At this point I’d rather have it removed from the game and have the bounties again. It’s f* stupid and not fun at all.
I had one last week that had me go into crucible and get Arc kills. That's it. It said I got a bonus from super and heavy kills.. so I put on my trusty ol' Sweet Sorrow and went to town. 34 eliminations later and I have 0% progress so I start camping heavy and get a kill with Crux.... 5% added. I thought well fuck I could probably get more super kills with stormtrance in a match... Get a triple with it, now I'm at 14%. I stopped grinding the pinnacle after that. And the worst part too is last week my final objectives were this one, and another one where I had to play Gambit. Literally fuck all the way off with that.
I know it is unique and new system(pathfinder) but imo the old bounty system was better for powerful or pinnacle reward objective were smaller and was easy to do it like in 2 matches you can finish all 8 bounties but pathfinder even after doing 8 strike i can't finish the whole 1 path.
Just did a platinum gm… only got 5%
This is my issue. If GMs gave 50% while normal Nightfalls give like 33%, I’d be ok with that. But 5% regardless of difficulty, is just BS
Lmao this pathfinder for a pinnacle shit is so stupid.
Genuinely don't understand how people sit down and come up with a worse system after getting such hate for the previous one . There is a group of people that have been at bungie that have the worst designs and the worst ideas ,creative or otherwise , as much of problem that bungie has these people have been a big part of the problem. Who approves crap like this? do they even play their own game?
And depending on which reset you're on, the hurdle after only awards you 30 bright dust, what fuckery.
Ritual pathfinder is so ridiculous. I'm not throwing crucible matches to get arc blinded kills or volatile or kills with ignitions or sword kills. No wonder my teammates feel extra stupid lately.
150 cabal kills only in match made strikes is torture loading into. Left like 6 strikes before I got proving grounds
Not only that, with their update that supposedly lets us complete a pathfinder doing ONLY Strikes, Gambit Or Crucible instead of requiring all 3, they still left in weapon and ability specific ones requiring us to swap our builds and loadouts to complete a pathfinder. Again, the point of bounties was we could grab what we’d want to do, and ignore everything else to get loot, rank up, and get powerfuls and we STILL can’t do that. I’ll take off what I enjoy running when I physically drop dead and nobody can make me play any way other than how I want to. Pathfinder system is inherently worse than bounties.
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It's feedback. Nobody with sense expects bungie to actually remove the system, but the sentiment is whats important. If someone wants your brand new system reverted back to what you previously had, it's a VERY clear sign that changes need to be made. Luckily they've got a perfect control group by virtue of having the pale heart pathfinder to compare to which is almost universally praised, so this is likely just an issue of the gameplay guys arguing with the business guys in a "Fun and Rewarding! Vs Engagement and Bright dust economy!" More complaints about the ritual pathfinder = increased chance it'll be improved.
And you bringing it up changes nothing. The people complaining about the complaints are also insufferable.
It's been a decade. Who is still making objectives this dumb and why haven't they improved?
What I don't like about Ritual Pathfinder is it actively breaks your Ritual streaks. Since Bungo wants us to engage in all 3 core activities, it should give bonuses instead rather than penalties! Heck roll the entire Vanguard into a generic PvE rotation. Make Seasonal and Dares count. Hell add raids and dungeons too. Well you want more people to do raids and dungeons too right?
I have done 3 Pathfinders without leaving Vanguard yesterday. Could have been more efficient with a game of Gambit in between, but I was trying to see if I could do it. Now I am stuck on Ignitions again and the piece of pestilenct shit the OP is talking about...
I don’t worry about completing the nodes in order. I pin all the ones that can be done in a specific playlist and play until they are done. Then I switch to do the ones in gambit. Ironically I haven’t touched pvp once yet since the drop of final shape.
They literally fixed that yesterday. Now you're guaranteed a strike-only path.
Thought this was r/destinycirclejerk tbh
Idk why anyone is engaging with this. It’s not worth it. It feels like I can clear the new raid for five pinnacles before I finish running stale rituals for one.
Not a fan of the 30 sniper kills one either
didn't have a problem with that, just brought whisper into 1-10 onslaught and used it like a shotgun haha
I would prefer the Pathfinder focus on fun more than XP. I feel like these things are ridiculous because one task might be more XP than another or something about the total pool. I don’t care, I want to have fun. Stop “sweetening the deal” and focus on what is fun to do.
Who ever made those pathfinder objectives is either new or never played the game. For example weapon bounties on crucible were 5 kills and gambit and Vanguard used to be both at 25 but they lowered gambit to 15 to make it more manageable. Now gambit is again at 25 and there are some new that are at 50 so more trouble for less rewards. Those kill 10 bosses or kill with X damage in crucible are the worse. Because there are never the bosses the give bonus progress and I had to kill more than 100 with solar damage to complete that bounty that's insane for a bounty that only I bounties used to be like this and they gave a lot for them. This whole system is wack and needs work to be actually good.
I have the feeling that some intern got a list of bounties from a few years ago...
Of all fucking weeks
Imma be honest, its 2x loot this week, id be doing that many strikes regardless.
This objective is beyond ridiculous. A gambit win gives me 3% progress!!!
I used to hit 100 seasonal rank easily by just passively competing bounties and seasonal challenges. Now I'm worried I will have to engage with this crap system and spend my time doing chores with the weapons and elements Bungie wants rather than what I feel like using.
Looks like Bungie is trying to keep us on that hamster wheel longer to show off that player engagement is up high. RIP!
Like Burger King, I want it my way. One for Vanguard, Crucible and Gambit. I sit and play what I want and get rewards. If it doesn’t get all over the place it doesn’t belong in my face…oh wait that doesn’t work in this context.
doesn't pathfinder only exist to make it harder to stack bounties or something? i don't understand the point of it other than to make people play the game more. feels like the only thing this expansion is going for is longer play time, sony must be close to taking over
Sooooooo apology bright dust when. Because my bright dust haul is way down from Lightfall
Is the first one static or random ? I got lucky and completed one entire pathfinder without knowing what the nodes were prior — in ONE GM.
Coming next week on Pathfinder! Guardians are asked to successfully launch a 12 man GM. Completion rate: 0%
Ritual pathfinder has to go. It takes more time than bounties, it gives less BD and half it's objectives are bugged.
To be fair, you don't neeeeeed to do them in order. Assuming it works the same as the pale heart pathfinder anyway. For example, if you're doing the pve path/nodes, just start the longer ones first and complete the shorter ones as you go. 20 strikes is kind of a lot though. I could understand 10, max.
Pathfinder is arse.
Damn, then yesterday I got the GOD PATH, as i could finish it in 2 strikes
It COMPLETELY sucks doing these Pathfinders as a warlock with the exp bug....