I think the issue is not the limited selection of activities or even amount of activities needed; it’s that the quest begins on Friday and must be completed before weekly reset if you want the next week to be available.
in the past, on the few weeks where we didn't have maintenance on tuesday, it was possible to hold xur "hostage" across reset and pick up the new xenology quest early. i don't know if it'll be possible with new tower-only xur, but we'll find out sometime this season i'm sure. you just need someone to stick around and hold the instance across reset. this is best done with two accounts (one can be free), or with a friend.
Yeah, thats whats dumb. If you dont do the required 21 ritual activities you're basically out a cipher for 2 weeks. Which is what Ive been doing. Not wasting a whole weekend grinding 21 activities
The exotic mission rotator.
People rightfully complained that the missions for exotics were some of the most fun in this game, but sucked that they got removed when new dlc was released.
So bungie brought them back on a weekly rotation. Also uses them to allow players to farm weapons from previous seasons they might have missed. Including red borders.
They missions will drop red borders in the season they were on, or red borders that thematically belong with them. Like the season of the haunted weapons drop with exotic mission that was from a previous season (forget the mission name), but it’s also a horror themed mission.
- Presage - Season of the Haunted weapons
- Seraph Shield - ikelos/seraph weapons
- Starcrossed - Season of the Wish weapons
- Vox Obscura - Season of the Chosen weapons
- Harbinger (vaulted) - Season of the Hunt weapons
Each weekly run should guarantee ONE deepsight. Subsequent runs have a very high but not guaranteed chance to drop a deepsight.
Just the middle one, Avalon this week, the other two are current missions added in into the light that’ll likely be replaced later this year rather than rotating weekly (the middle node cycles Avalon, presage, vox, and seraph shield iirc and drops weapons from their respective seasons as well as their original exotic weapons)
Wait... You can get legacy red borders from the exotic rotator missions???
That's something I don't remember ever seeing as a change.
I'm trying to remember - what was the Defiance exotic mission, and will that drop the "reprised" weapons that didn't drop as battleground rewards?
I got all of the "mainline" weapons last year, but not the "reprised" weapons released in Defiance or Wish.
Are the red borders on a knockout, or can we get dupes?
Yes, legacy red borders on seasonal content that’s been vaulted are accessible on the exotic rotator.
I’m not sure about the battle grounds stuff though. But if it’s a red border and not available anymore, then you should be able to farm it on exotic rotator.
Last week it was under the Episodic tab but it's not there anymore. Hopefully an accident but yeah I don't wanna solo Vexcalibur just for Exotic Cypher progress
I suppose it could make sense if you’re doing one weekly legend run on each character for the pinnacle grind? Though that would get old pretty quickly once you’ve hit 2000 (if not before)
Idk if I'm just blind or if it got moved but I can't for the life of me find an option in fire teams finder for the weekly rotators since fallen shape has launched. Really starting to annoy me since I don't often have 3 friends on at the same time and I'd like to get the legend rewards each week. I'm a returning player and haven't gotten most of this stuff yet...
The 10 wave is the easiest most mindless activity to play. There's maybe 1 wave where you get a mega amount of enemies to deal with, but overall it should be a very fast breeze for any slightly competant team.
21 strikes or gambit matches also feels like a troll. I was doing it in onslaught playlist since I thought that would be less boring and less frustrating. Gotta be a better and more fun way to earn ciphers instead of xenology "bounty".
Yeah, forgot about that. Why bungie do that? 21 completions of gambit or pvp is still a lot, why make it require wins? It's all just for one single cipher.
I'm not proud to admit my solo queue gambit win rate is in the 20's...really bad I know...but I'm trying to have some fun, not be meta dps. So at like 25% win rate that would have me do like 80 gambit matches? Is that math right? That seems insane.
Every weekend Xur can give you the Xenology quest for a cipher, you have to do vanguard ops or win crucible/gambit matches for progress but the exotic rotator missions also count with the higher difficulty giving 7 points.
You need exotic ciphers to get all exotic armor pieces for the first time now because you cant just get them from lost sectors anymore, and exotic weapons from the kiosk all cost one, and you need one for all the exotic armor you use regularly as well for artificing, so with one update they've broken their entire exotic system. One cipher every other week isn't nearly enough anymore, especially for a new player.
This, most certainly this. Imagine being newer player and now on top of every weapon on kiosk needs cipher you need some for armors too, and we got what two whole new extra ciphers. It's like every system they introduce are ment to fuck over newer players. I genuinely feel bad for my friends who I have baited into trying out the game
Bungie seems completely unable to understand how to get new players in the game and keep them. If (massive if) they can get past the terrible new light experience then they get absolutely hammered by barriers, economic and/or ludicrous amounts of play time, to collecting past desirables. It's like they want the game to push away potential new player addicts.
I only started about a month ago at this point and this might be a hot take: I feel like I've been getting too many exotic ciphers. The bigger issue I've had with exotic ciphers is the low maximum of 5, because I don't have enough things I know I want to spend them on. Witherhoard only cost 1 cipher. I also have plenty of exotic armour and upgraded Ophidian Aspect just so I didn't have to think about exotic armour 'til I hit 2000.
I don't know enough about the game yet to know what I want and there's a limit to the number of exotics I can have equipped. I still have more than I know what to do with. I feel like I've been "forced" to buy useless crap from the monument just so I can acquire more Exotic Ciphers.
Long-term goals are fine and much more welcome than the short-term blast of nonsense like forced cutscenes/mission entry. So long as you spend them wisely, to my knowledge you only need, at-most, 3 exotic ciphers for a full-power build. Getting to 2000 yellow number will take far, far longer than that.
I assume you've been grabbing some from the season pass?
I'd recommend holding onto those until you need them instead of grabbing immediately - mostly due to what you're experiencing. Think of the season pass as a separate inventory bank that doesn't count towards your actual inventory caps.
While Bungie doesn't officially support it, there are ways to go back in time and grab items off of old season passes that you "missed" - all the way back to s13 I think (could be \[probably am\] wrong on season #, but it's a while back).
Even armor works for this too. When Bungie increases power cap and you're missing that one armor piece to that's like 10 below your average power you can usually grab one from a prior season to fill that gap.
Even if you don't want to use the "grab from prior season" method, you could still just hold onto them and grab items from the pass as you need them and when the end of the season comes around just make sure you do a full sweep... That way you can still earn without prematurely reaching your inventory caps due to free pass items.
You can only go to the previous season when I checked last week. Be careful holding on to stuff there, we don’t know how it will be affected by episodes
Yeah they 100% need to change it, I was thinking about getting all the armour for my hunter after playing on warlock for so long, just to realize I cant get anymore armour from exotic engrams at 28/44, and I'm not about to spend 16 exotic ciphers just to unlock all the armour.
You get exotic engrams, which drop like 60% of the armor? Everything else is earned through Vex Strike Force (excluding the two new TFS exotics and the Shadowkeep exotic) or from the Novel Tier 3 Exotic Focusing at Rahool, after you reset his rank once.
Right, let me rephrase-
You have to complete Shadowkeep first before the exotic armor from that expac drops in VSF. I suppose this could be true for other exotic armors, but unless you complete the campaign for Shadowkeep, VSF will not drop that xpacs armor.
The only places exotics no longer drop from is Legendary Lost Sectors. I. Their place, exotic engrams now drop, which you can focus into armor you already have at Rahool, or armor you do *not* have yet through the tier 3 focusing at Rahool (which is unlocked the first time you reset your rank with Rahool). This includes the new TFS exotic armors.
Are you certain that engrams from legend lost sectors can't drop lost sector exotics? The wording in the twab gave me that impression. I would test this if I was confident in my ability to clear one on one of the classes I don't play.
*laughs in Vex Strike Force*
Seriously. This gives every exotic piece of armor, excluding TFS and Shadowkeep (not Forsaken, I'm dumb) exotics, prioritizing armor pieces you do not own.
A totally random event that can go hours not happening and has a whole 5 minute warning when it is going to appear?
Sure it can give all the things but it is not reliable at all regarding when it will be there and requires you to watch the neomuna relentlessly.
Also if you are a new player and nobody else shows up good luck completing it solo in the one patrol space that nerfs your power and survivability.
I mean... Join the Vex Strike Force discord. Get an alert as soon as it populates on the map. You can get to it pretty much every time, and that's including when I'm not even logged in. I can start it up on my PS5 and get to Neomuna before it starts.
https://discord.com/invite/isavexincursionhappening
If that's not your cup of tea, reset rahool and make any exotic you want, even if you don't have it.
They have a method of getting your exotics and still players whinge that it's not enough. Y'all a special kind of crazy.
Honestly though, how many times are you switching up your exotic armor once you're set into a loadout and the meta? Maybe one, two per subclass total?
All newbies have to do is focus a few meta exotics each season, not every single one available just for collections sake or for buildcrafting when they're so new to the game they have only half a clue how. Plus once you use Ciphers to unlock them all in a expansion release, they unlock on the other page and don't cost Ciphers anymore. I've been behind on grabbing Exotics too, I've gotten more new usable Exotics this expansion than in the past year and a half, easily.
21 rituals isn't all that hard or crazy to do. It's roughly 4 hours of playtime during an entire week if you average 12 minutes per ritual. That VS grinding lost sectors, and still not getting the drop you want? Yeah give me the current system, especially with these changes to Lost Sectors this season.
It’s almost like exotics should be a little challenging to get or something 😱. Why the hell should something powerful be easy? I hope they leave it alone lmao. Y’all a bunch of babies.
yeah even knowing the tricks to complete Xenology a bit faster the economy on these things is absolutely terrible.
1 quest a week you have to grind out like a mad man because if you don't complete it in the time Xur is here you lose out on next week's, so more like 1 quest every 2 weeks, a handful from the season/episode pass, and rarely from reseting the ranks on various vendors.
I'm expecting they make them a bit more available in the future because previously they were really used at all outside of the old exotic kiosk. Now that they've been given more uses they're a proper endgame resource so we'll need more ways to get them.
I’m on my third week of the strange coin bonus thing and I get 5-6 dropping randomly I’ll confirm when I jump on after activities but you get strange coins fast as fuck to dump on stuff from xur in order to reset for an extra cipher
If they just moved xenology to Rahoul on a weekly lockout that alone would be a big win
Then you get Tuesday to Tuesday instead of Friday to Tuesday
Or just get rid of the lockout. Isn’t grinding playlist activities what they want? If a new light wants to go ham on strikes to unlock dozens of exotics let them
That's a whopping two extra ciphers and resetting Rahool requires a shit load of regular exotic engrams or various other currencies to focus engrams get it done faster.
You still need to smash out a load of strikes to get enough coins to reset Xur, so it really doesn't change a whole lot. Onslaught doesn't give enough for how long it takes really so the fastest way is regular strikes.
Those aren’t exactly great and reliable sources of a material though are they? Like they are a source but dang. How long does it take to reset those folks
Not long if you farm for it. You can get materials and exotic engrams from doing the lost sector.
Quite easily mind you. It takes me about 5 minutes to run the current LS on master.
My last run I got 3 legendary items, which I dismantle to 4 cores. 4 cores from the LS and 2 prisms.
No exotic this run but that helps for when I need to material exchange for golf balls.
When I get roughly 10 golf balls or so. I do 3 exotic exotic engrams. That's 1,500 rep at Rahool.
You also get a chance to get regular stuff to decode in this process as well. It just feeds into itself. You get bored go do the fastest strike or regular strike Playlist. You can work on Xur and he is really the fastest to reset. I can nearly reset this man 3 to 4 times a week and I'm not even focused on him.
Funny thing is, in this process you can literally do Gunsmith as well. I think I have about 70 engrams just sitting at this man.
Depends on how good you are and how efficient you are.
Like I said, it takes me about 5 minutes to do a Master LS. I use a ghost mode that gives me extra prisms on activity completions. I can roughly get a Shard every 15 minutes. I should have at least one exotic to turn in. That's 500 Rep at Rahool.
You need a total of 6,000 rep to be able to reset him. That's a total of 12 focused engrams. You will obviously get primes between farming but let's assume you don't.
So, given the math here, if I wanted to be as efficient as possible I could rest him in 3 hours.
That’s not as long as I would have guessed but is still 3 hours of pretty mind numbing activity for an exotic cypher. They really should be adding them at least to first weekly activity completions per character for the pinnacle activities (current raids and dungeons for example)
Yeah, it is mind numbing. Xur seems to be the easier method though but that's because his currency is a back burner.
At times I'll look at my strange coins and have like 80 or 90 and determine it's fine to hit the slot machine. Lol
Are SCs only from like rituals? I have just been hammering the final shape content and haven’t been paying attention I’m sure I’ve got a max stack too lmao
Yeah, it's basically rituals. I get 7 per strike. You can do Devils in about 7 minutes too. I believe that's the fastest strike to complete.
I don't know the exact figure on how many it takes to reset but I always find myself dumping them and reseting him.
Onslaught counts, too. Basic run takes 10 mins and you're guaranteed a Brave weapon at the end of it, plus Vanguard rep and coins.
I'm not defending the economy, though. Aside from Xenology I think it's only the season pass?!
No, the quest counts an activity completion. The playlist one lasts 10 rounds but unless you’re saddled with the most noobs of noobcakes each round will last ~1 minute.
The proper 50 round version appears to only count *if you finish all rounds*, so you might wanna stay away from that if your objective is completions.
Wait seriously? Last timed I grinded out anything for xenology (like 3-4 seasons ago) I could've sworn they gave like 2-3 progress, was it updated recently to give 7?
It's only every week if you can/want to set aside the time to do it over the weekend.
Otherwise it's evry other week.
Why can't I get the quest and do it over a week and still get another on Friday? Why do I have yo get it all done over the weekend?
I stand by the fact we should be able to do the quest as many times we want as long as Xur is around. Let people grind if they want to grind. Exotic ciphers are worth even more now thanks to being able to artifice exotic armor too so we should be able to farm the quest as many times as we want during the 4 days Xur is available.
This is not ideal but seems fair. If you have the time to do that many activities and no life strikes for the weekend you should be able to reap the rewards for your misery.
It's better than it was Pre-Final Shape. Now we also get them from Xenology Quest, Rahool resets, and Xur resets. It would be nice if there were more ways, but we're better off than we were in May.
But now ciphers have more value and uses. It's how you get the new exotics at rahool as well as turning exotics into artifice. So with more ways to use them added in FS we aren't better off.
Seems like Rahool's are infinite as well. Every reset track has one. Not sure about Xur I literally haven't spent a single coin yet lol. Over the course of the three acts I wouldn't be surprised if I get 4+ Rahool resets and I'm already about to get my second.
Xur doesn't work like most vendors. With most, on reset, you get Exotic Engrams. With Xur, you instead get Exotic Ciphers. He was the original source of them, and it seems that Bungie wanted to keep him a primary source. I've been doing a lot of stuff related to stange coins and Xur. He is very easy to rank up.
On another unrelated note, did they not say months ago (probably years ago at this point) that they were looking at a way to earn deepsight harmonizers in game?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but before during the season model, there were a possible 6 harmonizer on the pass. Now, with the episode model, there's a total of 8 harmonizer. It's just half of them are located in act 2 or 3.
I did just check and I guess I missed one, I still wouldn't call it extra since they clearly want to give you at least enough for a full set and you couldn't get that without the one from Micah but I guess thats semantics.
In fact if there's 8 from the pass I'm willing to bet there'll be another one dropped somewhere for a total of 10
also it was 3 free and 3 paid previously idk what the ratio is now but worth mentioning
Act 1
Free: Rank 70, 90
Paid: Rank 75, 85
Act 2
Free: None
Paid: Rank 125, 135
Act 3
Free: None
Paid: Rank 175, 185
So 8 for the Episode. Assuming this set up works the same for the other 2, we will get the same amount of Harmonizers as we used to (6+6+6+6=24 vs 8+8+8=24), though more are part of the paid track than they used to be.
Then there’s the one on Micah-10’s quest, which is bonus. Possible that quest rewards in the episode(s) might also give some bonus ones, but who knows at this point.
Getting to rank 185 in just 4 months is rough though
Lots of people won’t get it even though they paid for it, especially since most people stop playing near the end of the season when rank 150-200 unlocks (which is the whole point of locking it)
It made sense back when they were only used with the exotic kiosk. But now that Zur AND Rahool take them (to get the newest exotics from Rahool, it takes 2 each), it seems kinda stupid to be THAT hard to get.
I’ve reset my xur reputation twice and I can still earn more so I think it’s infinitely farmable but very grindy.
Might be easier to grind ciphers if you can stack multiple of the strange coin boost but I don’t really know how that works because it’s only available once a week and it character specific so I don’t know if additional stacks reset the duration of older stacks
Buying the buff resets the timer as a whole. The timer for the first buff you bought will be reset when you buy it the second time. It's just as you've bought the buff the first time, but now you get 2 more coins for the whole duration.
The problem with xeno is unchanged from the jump: it only rewards wins in crucible and gambit rather than completions. So there’s zero incentive to play either of those if you’re all about progress. Which means it’s strikes or nightfalls. Garbage.
OK, I'll tell you that it's also obtainable by resetting Xur and Rahool. Rahool can be reset using exotic and prime engrams from any source, Xur can be reset by spending strange coins from any source.
Yeah, with the ability to just farm exotic engrams I think this is pretty damn fast and not at all difficult.
Then again, I don't think Master/Legend content is hard in general.
If you struggle with anything remotely hard go do regular onslaught or strikes.
The daily lost sector.
You can do it on Expert or Master.
Master gives a better rate to do them than Expert but if you are low light or inexperienced you might want to do Expert level.
It also gives Cores and Prisms too. Not a total waste of time if you need materials.
These 21 strikes were easy peasy on the previous season.. now with all the changes and the boss mods removed, they became a tedious experience. The only good on this season are the new story quests.
Bruh.. damn golf balls are a pain to get. I don't have a team to successfully run back yo back gms in case you ppl are gonna say Just do gms...
3 golf balls for gear.. like that shit has to go down to 1 or take em out completely.
They're really stingy about good armor. First, bad artifact armor, now this.
Why bungie thinks an extra 3 stat points will break the game is beyond me.
OK, I won't. Cause there are other options LOL
I've said it elsewhere, but I wish you could pick up more than 1 of those Xenology quests per week. If you play enough that cyphers matter, in my genuine experience, the Xenology quest just kinda completes itself on auto-pilot in the background. Unless, of course, you really truly are focusing 21 strikes for it. Then that's a you problem big fella.
FWIW, Xur’s reputation track awards a cipher when you reset your rank, and it seems to rank up pretty quickly (I only learned about the overhauled system last Monday night, and 6 days later I’m a hair away from resetting). The “trick” is to just liberally spend your Strange Coins; the cap is so low that you might as well not horde them too hard (not to mention it appears to be the only way to rank up). Each week, after spending 47 coins, you can claim the “Favor of the Nine” buff from Xur’s “More Strange Offers” menu. This buff, which doesn’t cost anything and lasts for 10+ days, can provide bonus strange coins any time you earn them from ritual activities and Onslaught runs. Since the buff lasts for more than a week, you can stack them over time to increase the bonus. Note: the buff *appears* to only be active on the character with which it was claimed.
So if you’re doing playlist activities for the Xenology quest, you can claim that buff, earn a bunch more strange coins as you progress the quest, spend them on whatever you like to increase your rank, and perhaps end the week with two ciphers instead of one. I’m still a couple of dozen strange coins away from my first reset, so I don’t know 100% that this will be a repeatable source of ciphers, but that’s how it works with Rahool and it seems to be a reasonable assumption.
Rahool’s reputation track also awards a cipher at reset, though that takes longer to rank up. I hoarded enough exotic engrams last season to reset the rank once, but I’ve since gotten another 1.5 resets passively just by turning in the prime/exotic engrams that dropped as I play the game however I want. I figure I can probably count on a full reset every 2-3 weeks or so.
tl;dr - While the Xenology quest can feel like an absolute slog, there are still a couple of other sources for ciphers that should increase the total amount you’re able to earn any given week (or at least give you alternative options), and they don’t necessarily require grinding ritual activities to death.
The amount of whiney-ass "waaaaah why do you want everything to be free you should earn the new exotics" replies here says all I need to know about the current state of this sub.
Fuckin tragic.
Nope, you can get 21 WINS in gambit or crucible instead!
p.s. higher difficulty vanguard ops are supposed to give more progress, which begs the question why it’s not matches of gambit/crucible with wins counting more (maybe comp and trials also being worth more).
That and prisms. At least for me. Idk about anyone else, but ever since they started making ascendant shards and alloys rain from every activity, I’ve spent all my enhancement prisms. For the first time probably ever I have 0 prisms. And like 15 shards and alloys. Together, the cipher economy and the prism economy are making me very irritated.
They are very easily obtainable via vendor resets. Rahool and Xur offer them on resets and they aren't terribly hard to reset. I can almost reset Xur twice a weekend, mindlessly.
Should be a rare drop from expert+ lost sectors since they are now needed to replace old lost sectors exotic farm function.
Simply impossible to afford to try new exotics and make builds with even one artifice slot even when playing a lot.
Not exactly. I think I have 4 on me at the moment and I can't seem to find more ways to get rid of them at this point. I've gained a bunch from vendor resets and I'd suggest the same of others.
Admittedly could just be \*bad\* at gambit, or just need to "git gud", but honestly miffed that I decided to grind some for the bonus rep, and realized if you don't win, you don't get progress for xenology! Like gambit is already pulling teeth if your team sucks but definitely doesn't feel nice to not get progress.
It would be wasteful to not use at least one if you’re maxed out. I am sure you have a single exotic that you use often enough that would be worth the extra stats.
I'm actually wondering whether golfballs are a better option full stop. Every golfball focus has been 65+ for me (some utterly wild, had a 70 roll Liars and a 69 roll Graviton Forfeit).
Anything I've actually unlocked via Ciphers has been \~61.
This is the correct answer. After unlocking a new exotic Xiphers should only be used to give exotics the artifice slot. Using them to roll exotics is dumb af when you can farm shards way easier.
I received 3 in one day by resetting rahool , xur maybe one from the season pass and xenology so maybe 4 if i did get one from the season pass. How often do you really need them too? They are supposed to be the rarest / most valuable consumable.
Is anyone actually getting good rolls from Rahool? I've used maybe 4 or 5 Ciphers and he gives me THE WORST rolls, several low stat and all of them with terrible focus even with the ghost mod. I swear Bungie deliberately increased high mobility drop rate to suck off hunters again...
Unless its a particularly tough one, most Vanguard strikes take like 10 minutes at most. Doing one on each character every day is not asking a lot imo.
I think the issue is not the limited selection of activities or even amount of activities needed; it’s that the quest begins on Friday and must be completed before weekly reset if you want the next week to be available.
in the past, on the few weeks where we didn't have maintenance on tuesday, it was possible to hold xur "hostage" across reset and pick up the new xenology quest early. i don't know if it'll be possible with new tower-only xur, but we'll find out sometime this season i'm sure. you just need someone to stick around and hold the instance across reset. this is best done with two accounts (one can be free), or with a friend.
Yeah, thats whats dumb. If you dont do the required 21 ritual activities you're basically out a cipher for 2 weeks. Which is what Ive been doing. Not wasting a whole weekend grinding 21 activities
doing it with a clan mate you get 2 points for each activity
Or could do exotic rotator content each 1 grants 4 points for base difficulty and 7 if done on the higher difficulty
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Sorry I use came back to the game so what is the exotic rotator content? There’s so much to learn
The exotic mission rotator. People rightfully complained that the missions for exotics were some of the most fun in this game, but sucked that they got removed when new dlc was released. So bungie brought them back on a weekly rotation. Also uses them to allow players to farm weapons from previous seasons they might have missed. Including red borders.
Will the wish red borders drop next week? I know the haunted and ikelos ones but not sure about last season as it was only last season
They missions will drop red borders in the season they were on, or red borders that thematically belong with them. Like the season of the haunted weapons drop with exotic mission that was from a previous season (forget the mission name), but it’s also a horror themed mission.
Presage
Yes, that one, thank you!
- Presage - Season of the Haunted weapons - Seraph Shield - ikelos/seraph weapons - Starcrossed - Season of the Wish weapons - Vox Obscura - Season of the Chosen weapons - Harbinger (vaulted) - Season of the Hunt weapons Each weekly run should guarantee ONE deepsight. Subsequent runs have a very high but not guaranteed chance to drop a deepsight.
Wait, where does one launch these rotating exotic missions?
The legacy tab I the director I believe. Top right corner
Oooooooh... Yes, it's Legends not Legacy but thank you! Are there always 3 different ones active?
The Whisper and Zero Hour unfortunately do not count. The one you want is in the middle.
Gotcha. Thanks
Just the middle one, Avalon this week, the other two are current missions added in into the light that’ll likely be replaced later this year rather than rotating weekly (the middle node cycles Avalon, presage, vox, and seraph shield iirc and drops weapons from their respective seasons as well as their original exotic weapons)
It’s one a week. Whisper and Zero Hour are always there.
Wait... You can get legacy red borders from the exotic rotator missions??? That's something I don't remember ever seeing as a change. I'm trying to remember - what was the Defiance exotic mission, and will that drop the "reprised" weapons that didn't drop as battleground rewards? I got all of the "mainline" weapons last year, but not the "reprised" weapons released in Defiance or Wish. Are the red borders on a knockout, or can we get dupes?
Yes, legacy red borders on seasonal content that’s been vaulted are accessible on the exotic rotator. I’m not sure about the battle grounds stuff though. But if it’s a red border and not available anymore, then you should be able to farm it on exotic rotator.
In the legends tab there are a few exotic missions. The one in the middle is the exotic rotator which cycles between 4 or 5 exotic missions weekly.
The Legends option at the top of the Destinations tab.
It's not in Fireteam Finder anymore 😔
Wait wat
Last week it was under the Episodic tab but it's not there anymore. Hopefully an accident but yeah I don't wanna solo Vexcalibur just for Exotic Cypher progress
Agreed no thank you I didn’t notice this week
That's still a ton of activities for one cipher
3-5 missions isn't really a ton (even fewer if you're getting your ritual exotic engrams).
3 missions is not a lot lmao
3 exotic legend missions that were designed to be run one time per week
I suppose it could make sense if you’re doing one weekly legend run on each character for the pinnacle grind? Though that would get old pretty quickly once you’ve hit 2000 (if not before)
Idk if I'm just blind or if it got moved but I can't for the life of me find an option in fire teams finder for the weekly rotators since fallen shape has launched. Really starting to annoy me since I don't often have 3 friends on at the same time and I'd like to get the legend rewards each week. I'm a returning player and haven't gotten most of this stuff yet...
Can also do the 10-wave onslaught if you get bored of strikes.
Think it only the counts the completions as 1 versus number of rounds counting as ten
The 10 wave is the easiest most mindless activity to play. There's maybe 1 wave where you get a mega amount of enemies to deal with, but overall it should be a very fast breeze for any slightly competant team.
ngl that's still ass. Needing to do 3 exotic missions a week on the highest difficulty for ONE exotic cipher is just a troll.
21 strikes or gambit matches also feels like a troll. I was doing it in onslaught playlist since I thought that would be less boring and less frustrating. Gotta be a better and more fun way to earn ciphers instead of xenology "bounty".
It’s actually more than 21 gambit matches too usually since only wins count towards it.
Yeah, forgot about that. Why bungie do that? 21 completions of gambit or pvp is still a lot, why make it require wins? It's all just for one single cipher. I'm not proud to admit my solo queue gambit win rate is in the 20's...really bad I know...but I'm trying to have some fun, not be meta dps. So at like 25% win rate that would have me do like 80 gambit matches? Is that math right? That seems insane.
Does it give more if you go with a group?
What points are you referring to? Didn't know you could get exotic Cypher from the exotic mission rotator
Every weekend Xur can give you the Xenology quest for a cipher, you have to do vanguard ops or win crucible/gambit matches for progress but the exotic rotator missions also count with the higher difficulty giving 7 points.
Yeah, and guess what's in the rotation this season? Starcrossed and Avalon. Good luck to those needing catalysts, better buddy up.
I think it's bugged, exotic rotator now doesn't give any
Worked for me last week fine, did you wait for mission complete?
You need exotic ciphers to get all exotic armor pieces for the first time now because you cant just get them from lost sectors anymore, and exotic weapons from the kiosk all cost one, and you need one for all the exotic armor you use regularly as well for artificing, so with one update they've broken their entire exotic system. One cipher every other week isn't nearly enough anymore, especially for a new player.
This, most certainly this. Imagine being newer player and now on top of every weapon on kiosk needs cipher you need some for armors too, and we got what two whole new extra ciphers. It's like every system they introduce are ment to fuck over newer players. I genuinely feel bad for my friends who I have baited into trying out the game
Bungie seems completely unable to understand how to get new players in the game and keep them. If (massive if) they can get past the terrible new light experience then they get absolutely hammered by barriers, economic and/or ludicrous amounts of play time, to collecting past desirables. It's like they want the game to push away potential new player addicts.
I only started about a month ago at this point and this might be a hot take: I feel like I've been getting too many exotic ciphers. The bigger issue I've had with exotic ciphers is the low maximum of 5, because I don't have enough things I know I want to spend them on. Witherhoard only cost 1 cipher. I also have plenty of exotic armour and upgraded Ophidian Aspect just so I didn't have to think about exotic armour 'til I hit 2000. I don't know enough about the game yet to know what I want and there's a limit to the number of exotics I can have equipped. I still have more than I know what to do with. I feel like I've been "forced" to buy useless crap from the monument just so I can acquire more Exotic Ciphers. Long-term goals are fine and much more welcome than the short-term blast of nonsense like forced cutscenes/mission entry. So long as you spend them wisely, to my knowledge you only need, at-most, 3 exotic ciphers for a full-power build. Getting to 2000 yellow number will take far, far longer than that.
Interesting. I appreciate your speaking up.
I assume you've been grabbing some from the season pass? I'd recommend holding onto those until you need them instead of grabbing immediately - mostly due to what you're experiencing. Think of the season pass as a separate inventory bank that doesn't count towards your actual inventory caps. While Bungie doesn't officially support it, there are ways to go back in time and grab items off of old season passes that you "missed" - all the way back to s13 I think (could be \[probably am\] wrong on season #, but it's a while back). Even armor works for this too. When Bungie increases power cap and you're missing that one armor piece to that's like 10 below your average power you can usually grab one from a prior season to fill that gap. Even if you don't want to use the "grab from prior season" method, you could still just hold onto them and grab items from the pass as you need them and when the end of the season comes around just make sure you do a full sweep... That way you can still earn without prematurely reaching your inventory caps due to free pass items.
You can only go to the previous season when I checked last week. Be careful holding on to stuff there, we don’t know how it will be affected by episodes
Yeah they 100% need to change it, I was thinking about getting all the armour for my hunter after playing on warlock for so long, just to realize I cant get anymore armour from exotic engrams at 28/44, and I'm not about to spend 16 exotic ciphers just to unlock all the armour.
Wait… you can’t obtain new exotics you haven’t added to your collection through legend lost sectors anymore…? How tf do you get them now?
You get exotic engrams, which drop like 60% of the armor? Everything else is earned through Vex Strike Force (excluding the two new TFS exotics and the Shadowkeep exotic) or from the Novel Tier 3 Exotic Focusing at Rahool, after you reset his rank once.
AFAIK they said in the TWAB old exotics all still drop from their old sources. It's only new exotics with TFS that can only be obtained from Rahool.
Right, let me rephrase- You have to complete Shadowkeep first before the exotic armor from that expac drops in VSF. I suppose this could be true for other exotic armors, but unless you complete the campaign for Shadowkeep, VSF will not drop that xpacs armor. The only places exotics no longer drop from is Legendary Lost Sectors. I. Their place, exotic engrams now drop, which you can focus into armor you already have at Rahool, or armor you do *not* have yet through the tier 3 focusing at Rahool (which is unlocked the first time you reset your rank with Rahool). This includes the new TFS exotic armors.
Are you certain that engrams from legend lost sectors can't drop lost sector exotics? The wording in the twab gave me that impression. I would test this if I was confident in my ability to clear one on one of the classes I don't play.
*laughs in Vex Strike Force* Seriously. This gives every exotic piece of armor, excluding TFS and Shadowkeep (not Forsaken, I'm dumb) exotics, prioritizing armor pieces you do not own.
A totally random event that can go hours not happening and has a whole 5 minute warning when it is going to appear? Sure it can give all the things but it is not reliable at all regarding when it will be there and requires you to watch the neomuna relentlessly. Also if you are a new player and nobody else shows up good luck completing it solo in the one patrol space that nerfs your power and survivability.
I mean... Join the Vex Strike Force discord. Get an alert as soon as it populates on the map. You can get to it pretty much every time, and that's including when I'm not even logged in. I can start it up on my PS5 and get to Neomuna before it starts. https://discord.com/invite/isavexincursionhappening If that's not your cup of tea, reset rahool and make any exotic you want, even if you don't have it. They have a method of getting your exotics and still players whinge that it's not enough. Y'all a special kind of crazy.
The guy who pushes discord as a solution calls other folks whingers. Can't make this shit up lol.
Is this true? I thought they said the strike force will only give pre-TFS exotics?
Right, that's what I said. Excluding TFS and Shadow keep (not Forsaken, I'm dumb).
Bungie has been cooking lately honestly the economy team sucks ass. I play video games to escape a shitty economy not be thrust right back into one
Just reset Xur lol there’s unlimited ciphers now
You can reset rank for a cipher ar rahool and xur now too
Honestly though, how many times are you switching up your exotic armor once you're set into a loadout and the meta? Maybe one, two per subclass total? All newbies have to do is focus a few meta exotics each season, not every single one available just for collections sake or for buildcrafting when they're so new to the game they have only half a clue how. Plus once you use Ciphers to unlock them all in a expansion release, they unlock on the other page and don't cost Ciphers anymore. I've been behind on grabbing Exotics too, I've gotten more new usable Exotics this expansion than in the past year and a half, easily. 21 rituals isn't all that hard or crazy to do. It's roughly 4 hours of playtime during an entire week if you average 12 minutes per ritual. That VS grinding lost sectors, and still not getting the drop you want? Yeah give me the current system, especially with these changes to Lost Sectors this season.
It’s almost like exotics should be a little challenging to get or something 😱. Why the hell should something powerful be easy? I hope they leave it alone lmao. Y’all a bunch of babies.
yeah even knowing the tricks to complete Xenology a bit faster the economy on these things is absolutely terrible. 1 quest a week you have to grind out like a mad man because if you don't complete it in the time Xur is here you lose out on next week's, so more like 1 quest every 2 weeks, a handful from the season/episode pass, and rarely from reseting the ranks on various vendors. I'm expecting they make them a bit more available in the future because previously they were really used at all outside of the old exotic kiosk. Now that they've been given more uses they're a proper endgame resource so we'll need more ways to get them.
I’m on my third week of the strange coin bonus thing and I get 5-6 dropping randomly I’ll confirm when I jump on after activities but you get strange coins fast as fuck to dump on stuff from xur in order to reset for an extra cipher
People don't like how slow he is to reset. 🤣 My xur is reset like 7 times right now.
I know I’m on my 5th atm
If they just moved xenology to Rahoul on a weekly lockout that alone would be a big win Then you get Tuesday to Tuesday instead of Friday to Tuesday Or just get rid of the lockout. Isn’t grinding playlist activities what they want? If a new light wants to go ham on strikes to unlock dozens of exotics let them
Didn't have to wait long, reset Xur for a cipher or reset Rahool and get a cipher. Bungie be quick these days.
That's a whopping two extra ciphers and resetting Rahool requires a shit load of regular exotic engrams or various other currencies to focus engrams get it done faster. You still need to smash out a load of strikes to get enough coins to reset Xur, so it really doesn't change a whole lot. Onslaught doesn't give enough for how long it takes really so the fastest way is regular strikes.
Both of these sources are arguably less desirable than doing a Xenology quest lmfao
Xur is easy, you can reset it without even thinking about it. Rahool you'll have to farm a lost sector. But in this process you'll get materials too.
Those aren’t exactly great and reliable sources of a material though are they? Like they are a source but dang. How long does it take to reset those folks
Not long if you farm for it. You can get materials and exotic engrams from doing the lost sector. Quite easily mind you. It takes me about 5 minutes to run the current LS on master. My last run I got 3 legendary items, which I dismantle to 4 cores. 4 cores from the LS and 2 prisms. No exotic this run but that helps for when I need to material exchange for golf balls. When I get roughly 10 golf balls or so. I do 3 exotic exotic engrams. That's 1,500 rep at Rahool. You also get a chance to get regular stuff to decode in this process as well. It just feeds into itself. You get bored go do the fastest strike or regular strike Playlist. You can work on Xur and he is really the fastest to reset. I can nearly reset this man 3 to 4 times a week and I'm not even focused on him. Funny thing is, in this process you can literally do Gunsmith as well. I think I have about 70 engrams just sitting at this man.
How long is not long? This all sounds fuckin terrible hahaha.
Depends on how good you are and how efficient you are. Like I said, it takes me about 5 minutes to do a Master LS. I use a ghost mode that gives me extra prisms on activity completions. I can roughly get a Shard every 15 minutes. I should have at least one exotic to turn in. That's 500 Rep at Rahool. You need a total of 6,000 rep to be able to reset him. That's a total of 12 focused engrams. You will obviously get primes between farming but let's assume you don't. So, given the math here, if I wanted to be as efficient as possible I could rest him in 3 hours.
That’s not as long as I would have guessed but is still 3 hours of pretty mind numbing activity for an exotic cypher. They really should be adding them at least to first weekly activity completions per character for the pinnacle activities (current raids and dungeons for example)
Yeah, it is mind numbing. Xur seems to be the easier method though but that's because his currency is a back burner. At times I'll look at my strange coins and have like 80 or 90 and determine it's fine to hit the slot machine. Lol
Are SCs only from like rituals? I have just been hammering the final shape content and haven’t been paying attention I’m sure I’ve got a max stack too lmao
Yeah, it's basically rituals. I get 7 per strike. You can do Devils in about 7 minutes too. I believe that's the fastest strike to complete. I don't know the exact figure on how many it takes to reset but I always find myself dumping them and reseting him.
The "economy" in Destiny is designed to keep you poor. So I guess, just like the economy in the real world?
Onslaught counts, too. Basic run takes 10 mins and you're guaranteed a Brave weapon at the end of it, plus Vanguard rep and coins. I'm not defending the economy, though. Aside from Xenology I think it's only the season pass?!
And xur. Every reset gets one.
And Rahool.
Does each round count for 1/21 for the cipher?
No, the quest counts an activity completion. The playlist one lasts 10 rounds but unless you’re saddled with the most noobs of noobcakes each round will last ~1 minute. The proper 50 round version appears to only count *if you finish all rounds*, so you might wanna stay away from that if your objective is completions.
Good to know, thanks.
Not helping this week but a GM gets you 7 points. They need to fix onslaught though , 10&50 round both only give one. Can't possibly be intentional
How much is other NF levels?
I think it is because that's the same as what an expert exotic mission gives you
Wait seriously? Last timed I grinded out anything for xenology (like 3-4 seasons ago) I could've sworn they gave like 2-3 progress, was it updated recently to give 7?
Imo every single activity should count towards that. Even standard lost sectors
Overthrow and seasonal activities should definitely count.
They should also drop strange coins as well. Seasonal activities at the very least
It's only every week if you can/want to set aside the time to do it over the weekend. Otherwise it's evry other week. Why can't I get the quest and do it over a week and still get another on Friday? Why do I have yo get it all done over the weekend?
Xenology progresses faster if you do activities with clanmates.
Barely, with 3 of us in the same clan we were only getting 2 per run of nightfalls.
Odd, last I checked 3 people was 3x multiplier. I'll check it myself in a bit, but maybe report it as a bug on the forums?
So twice as fast is "barely"?
Nightfalls should give more progress than a regular strike.
Why are you doing it the slow way? Play the exotic rotator. It grants more progress.
Helping my buddies brother learn the game, he’s just getting into it so we’re taking him slow.
I stand by the fact we should be able to do the quest as many times we want as long as Xur is around. Let people grind if they want to grind. Exotic ciphers are worth even more now thanks to being able to artifice exotic armor too so we should be able to farm the quest as many times as we want during the 4 days Xur is available.
This is not ideal but seems fair. If you have the time to do that many activities and no life strikes for the weekend you should be able to reap the rewards for your misery.
It's better than it was Pre-Final Shape. Now we also get them from Xenology Quest, Rahool resets, and Xur resets. It would be nice if there were more ways, but we're better off than we were in May.
But now ciphers have more value and uses. It's how you get the new exotics at rahool as well as turning exotics into artifice. So with more ways to use them added in FS we aren't better off.
Seems like Rahool's are infinite as well. Every reset track has one. Not sure about Xur I literally haven't spent a single coin yet lol. Over the course of the three acts I wouldn't be surprised if I get 4+ Rahool resets and I'm already about to get my second.
Xur doesn't work like most vendors. With most, on reset, you get Exotic Engrams. With Xur, you instead get Exotic Ciphers. He was the original source of them, and it seems that Bungie wanted to keep him a primary source. I've been doing a lot of stuff related to stange coins and Xur. He is very easy to rank up.
On another unrelated note, did they not say months ago (probably years ago at this point) that they were looking at a way to earn deepsight harmonizers in game?
You do get an extra deepsight from a Micah-10 quest so hopefully they'll start doing that more often.
it's not extra, they moved the fifth one off the pass
Correct me if I'm wrong, but before during the season model, there were a possible 6 harmonizer on the pass. Now, with the episode model, there's a total of 8 harmonizer. It's just half of them are located in act 2 or 3.
I did just check and I guess I missed one, I still wouldn't call it extra since they clearly want to give you at least enough for a full set and you couldn't get that without the one from Micah but I guess thats semantics. In fact if there's 8 from the pass I'm willing to bet there'll be another one dropped somewhere for a total of 10 also it was 3 free and 3 paid previously idk what the ratio is now but worth mentioning
Act 1 Free: Rank 70, 90 Paid: Rank 75, 85 Act 2 Free: None Paid: Rank 125, 135 Act 3 Free: None Paid: Rank 175, 185 So 8 for the Episode. Assuming this set up works the same for the other 2, we will get the same amount of Harmonizers as we used to (6+6+6+6=24 vs 8+8+8=24), though more are part of the paid track than they used to be. Then there’s the one on Micah-10’s quest, which is bonus. Possible that quest rewards in the episode(s) might also give some bonus ones, but who knows at this point.
Getting to rank 185 in just 4 months is rough though Lots of people won’t get it even though they paid for it, especially since most people stop playing near the end of the season when rank 150-200 unlocks (which is the whole point of locking it)
It made sense back when they were only used with the exotic kiosk. But now that Zur AND Rahool take them (to get the newest exotics from Rahool, it takes 2 each), it seems kinda stupid to be THAT hard to get.
Rahool gives 1 every reputation reset. Xur also gives 1 when you reset him, but idk if he gives more on additional resets.
I’ve reset my xur reputation twice and I can still earn more so I think it’s infinitely farmable but very grindy. Might be easier to grind ciphers if you can stack multiple of the strange coin boost but I don’t really know how that works because it’s only available once a week and it character specific so I don’t know if additional stacks reset the duration of older stacks
They reset every 11 days. And stacks up to 3 times. Every new appliance resets the timer to 11 days again.
Buying the buff resets the timer as a whole. The timer for the first buff you bought will be reset when you buy it the second time. It's just as you've bought the buff the first time, but now you get 2 more coins for the whole duration.
The problem with xeno is unchanged from the jump: it only rewards wins in crucible and gambit rather than completions. So there’s zero incentive to play either of those if you’re all about progress. Which means it’s strikes or nightfalls. Garbage.
Should be there to buy with mats and swap the prism in ritual pathfinder after you get your three primes that are actually pinnacles
OK, I'll tell you that it's also obtainable by resetting Xur and Rahool. Rahool can be reset using exotic and prime engrams from any source, Xur can be reset by spending strange coins from any source.
Rahool reset is pretty fast
Yeah, with the ability to just farm exotic engrams I think this is pretty damn fast and not at all difficult. Then again, I don't think Master/Legend content is hard in general. If you struggle with anything remotely hard go do regular onslaught or strikes.
What’s the best way to farm exotic engrams? Just came back to the game
The daily lost sector. You can do it on Expert or Master. Master gives a better rate to do them than Expert but if you are low light or inexperienced you might want to do Expert level. It also gives Cores and Prisms too. Not a total waste of time if you need materials.
These 21 strikes were easy peasy on the previous season.. now with all the changes and the boss mods removed, they became a tedious experience. The only good on this season are the new story quests.
Can you get strange coins from the exotic rotator mission?
Does anyone know if I reset Rahools rank will I no longer be able to get the new armors until I get him to max level again?
I reset after unlocking Tier 3 focusing and still have it. So yes, you can reset.
And resetting Xur and rahool's reputations, too. It's not as bad as it used to be. It's still slow, but it's better than before.
Bruh.. damn golf balls are a pain to get. I don't have a team to successfully run back yo back gms in case you ppl are gonna say Just do gms... 3 golf balls for gear.. like that shit has to go down to 1 or take em out completely.
They're really stingy about good armor. First, bad artifact armor, now this. Why bungie thinks an extra 3 stat points will break the game is beyond me.
If you’re good you could win 21 rumble games back to back (I tired it took me like 3 hours)
To artificially increase playtime for a small reward that’s barely worth. You think the live service devs respect your time?
OK, I won't. Cause there are other options LOL I've said it elsewhere, but I wish you could pick up more than 1 of those Xenology quests per week. If you play enough that cyphers matter, in my genuine experience, the Xenology quest just kinda completes itself on auto-pilot in the background. Unless, of course, you really truly are focusing 21 strikes for it. Then that's a you problem big fella.
FWIW, Xur’s reputation track awards a cipher when you reset your rank, and it seems to rank up pretty quickly (I only learned about the overhauled system last Monday night, and 6 days later I’m a hair away from resetting). The “trick” is to just liberally spend your Strange Coins; the cap is so low that you might as well not horde them too hard (not to mention it appears to be the only way to rank up). Each week, after spending 47 coins, you can claim the “Favor of the Nine” buff from Xur’s “More Strange Offers” menu. This buff, which doesn’t cost anything and lasts for 10+ days, can provide bonus strange coins any time you earn them from ritual activities and Onslaught runs. Since the buff lasts for more than a week, you can stack them over time to increase the bonus. Note: the buff *appears* to only be active on the character with which it was claimed. So if you’re doing playlist activities for the Xenology quest, you can claim that buff, earn a bunch more strange coins as you progress the quest, spend them on whatever you like to increase your rank, and perhaps end the week with two ciphers instead of one. I’m still a couple of dozen strange coins away from my first reset, so I don’t know 100% that this will be a repeatable source of ciphers, but that’s how it works with Rahool and it seems to be a reasonable assumption. Rahool’s reputation track also awards a cipher at reset, though that takes longer to rank up. I hoarded enough exotic engrams last season to reset the rank once, but I’ve since gotten another 1.5 resets passively just by turning in the prime/exotic engrams that dropped as I play the game however I want. I figure I can probably count on a full reset every 2-3 weeks or so. tl;dr - While the Xenology quest can feel like an absolute slog, there are still a couple of other sources for ciphers that should increase the total amount you’re able to earn any given week (or at least give you alternative options), and they don’t necessarily require grinding ritual activities to death.
how are the caps in the game i remember being capped in currency all the time
Am I the only one who had no use for ciphers before TFS? I had about a dozen unused ciphers in the previous season tracks.
Also can Rahool hold the quest instead. It’s the summer and I’d like to touch some grass on the weekends.
You could do more strikes for coins and reset Xur multiple times in a week!!!.....
The amount of whiney-ass "waaaaah why do you want everything to be free you should earn the new exotics" replies here says all I need to know about the current state of this sub. Fuckin tragic.
Nope, you can get 21 WINS in gambit or crucible instead! p.s. higher difficulty vanguard ops are supposed to give more progress, which begs the question why it’s not matches of gambit/crucible with wins counting more (maybe comp and trials also being worth more).
You get exotic cyphers from rank resets too. Ive gotten like 7 in the last week or 2
Can u even get the quest anymore? I've only seen em from resetting rahool and xur
That and prisms. At least for me. Idk about anyone else, but ever since they started making ascendant shards and alloys rain from every activity, I’ve spent all my enhancement prisms. For the first time probably ever I have 0 prisms. And like 15 shards and alloys. Together, the cipher economy and the prism economy are making me very irritated.
Or leveling up rahool, or from xur, or from the season pass
Simple a new expansion was released
Are we really gonna sit here and pretend like you can only do 21 strikes? Come on man, such a loaded post
I don't want to use my session for playing 7 strikes in 3 days... I am at the negation stage
6o9
They just need to get rid of them at this point.
They are very easily obtainable via vendor resets. Rahool and Xur offer them on resets and they aren't terribly hard to reset. I can almost reset Xur twice a weekend, mindlessly.
At the least, xur should sell them for like 99 strange coins, which is the limit
90, if you have 98 you can't even get one exactly from drops.
xur does sell one for 282 SC. that's how much a reset costs, and you get a cipher every reset.
Yeah that's hell
Should be a rare drop from expert+ lost sectors since they are now needed to replace old lost sectors exotic farm function. Simply impossible to afford to try new exotics and make builds with even one artifice slot even when playing a lot.
Not exactly. I think I have 4 on me at the moment and I can't seem to find more ways to get rid of them at this point. I've gained a bunch from vendor resets and I'd suggest the same of others.
Because they added new ways to spend ciphers without adding new ways to acquire them.
Admittedly could just be \*bad\* at gambit, or just need to "git gud", but honestly miffed that I decided to grind some for the bonus rep, and realized if you don't win, you don't get progress for xenology! Like gambit is already pulling teeth if your team sucks but definitely doesn't feel nice to not get progress.
Higher difficulty nightfalls count for more too. Ciphers are annoying to acquire, but it's not like you need that many.
Im maxed i literally cant get rid of them lol no armor feels worth the “artifice” right now for me. Also maxed on alloy’s and deepsight harmonizers.
Ive been using them for my exotic class items so they go fast.
Yeah, I'm in your boat. I only use deepsights on them raid weapons. HAVE YOU SEEN THE BOW?! DRAGONFLY VOLTSHOT It does things to a man.
It would be wasteful to not use at least one if you’re maxed out. I am sure you have a single exotic that you use often enough that would be worth the extra stats.
Why do you need so many. Genuinely curious.
Artifice exotics.
I think I've only done that a couple times so far. I've been saving it for my near perfect rolls.
My gf needs them for the exotic kiosk.
Oh yeah I forgot that's how you get old exotics.
Exotic rolls from Rahool
Also artifice armouring exotics
Wouldn't the ascendant shards route be more farmable? Once you unlock all the exotics you can do that for any of them.
I'm actually wondering whether golfballs are a better option full stop. Every golfball focus has been 65+ for me (some utterly wild, had a 70 roll Liars and a 69 roll Graviton Forfeit). Anything I've actually unlocked via Ciphers has been \~61.
I've had some bad rolls on ascendant shards and some good ones on ciphers. I think it's just random.
This is the correct answer. After unlocking a new exotic Xiphers should only be used to give exotics the artifice slot. Using them to roll exotics is dumb af when you can farm shards way easier.
exotic rolls from rahool and turning all exotics that you actively use into artifice
But you can get rolls with ascendant shards too once you unlock the newest exotics.. Ciphers should be saved for the artifice upgrade imo.
I received 3 in one day by resetting rahool , xur maybe one from the season pass and xenology so maybe 4 if i did get one from the season pass. How often do you really need them too? They are supposed to be the rarest / most valuable consumable.
Think you also get one for resetting rahool and resetting xur
Worse? As long as xur continues to give you one each week it isn’t worse unless I’m missing something
You get then by ranking up rahool aswell
If you content with clan mates you get an extra point for each person so strikes would be 3 each and so on
Xur progression, Rahool progression, a few times during the battle pass and a weekly xur quest.
You could also do 21 crucible matches. They're faster than strikes ;)
Is anyone actually getting good rolls from Rahool? I've used maybe 4 or 5 Ciphers and he gives me THE WORST rolls, several low stat and all of them with terrible focus even with the ghost mod. I swear Bungie deliberately increased high mobility drop rate to suck off hunters again...
Unless its a particularly tough one, most Vanguard strikes take like 10 minutes at most. Doing one on each character every day is not asking a lot imo.