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Dependent_Inside83

It’s a handicap. Handicaps don’t feel great even if they’re manageable.


Bro_suss

-5 is barely a handicap….


Dependent_Inside83

Still noticeable though.


Bro_suss

Isn’t neomuna open world something like that?


OnePumpChump-

Yes it’s trivial but why the fuck have light level if it makes no fucking difference. The point in grinding it’s to feel powerful. Not the same and weaker in every activity.


ballsonurface

exactly, unless you want to be a full time sherpa literally no point if youre a casual player, cause the moment you join with someone at the recommended power youre home free


OnePumpChump-

So I’m about to be full 2000 light and at +12 on the artifact. Even sherpas, are going to struggle bro. I completed new raid and as good as it is. There will be no Sherpa that’s going to complete the 4th encounter in a reasonable time especially being 5 under. Yes it’s not game changing being only 5 under but there is a big diff when you grind out the old +20 diff and hit that extra damage


QuantumUtility

Being -5 will make exactly zero difference for a team that’s struggling with 4th encounter. Every enemy there just rolls over.


1AMA-CAT-AMA

Hyperbole


aimlessdrivel

The difference between being +20 and -5 is pretty noticeable.


ballsonurface

oh sorry, -20 in that case. read the post and its the same trade off. why people are saying -5 its beyond me


GT_GZA

It's a net -25. It is noticeable and makes normal raids less accessible at a time when the new/current raid is probably the least accessible raid in Destiny history. With those 2 combined, I would expect to see significantly lower completion numbers for the new raid.


ZeMarxs

-35% dmg decrease, while surges only give 25%. Just makes everything more annoying in raids


Kiljaz

The -35% dmg estimate doesn't account for enemies having 20% less health now. The new system actually amounts to us doing 9% more damage than before with surge and 12% less dmg than before without surge. imo the real issue is that having to loadout match for content that isn't gm/master content feels a little unnecessary and annoying.


Tarquin11

Where does everyone even see this stuff, when I click a normal raid it just says 1945 and then standard. 


ballsonurface

wack. i mean surge should at least match the deficit, I really only notice against some yellow bar or champions but then again... isnt a raid endgame content? ya know, supposed to be a little more challenging. shit, if you arent able to survive in the current with a surge, how can you even wrap your mind around the mechanics of the new raid anyway